I think one key difference is the way elements of the story are treated. In horror it emphasises on the "spectacular" side of things and insentivies strong emotionnal reactions, on the other hand, gothic look on things is macabre gloomy and morbid - some might even say grotesque - but not in a spectacular way, but rather in a contemplation state of mind, looking at dark and harsh themes and objects as they are and seeing the beauty and sublime in it, even if there isn't any to find at first glance. In a sense, I think horror is looking of a visceral reaction, a kind of short term intense subversion of our thinking schemes whereas gothic is looking for a more visceral atmosphere, a long lasting feeling of "malaise" or feeling that we have to accomodate to... This was a long long comment, all my apologies but I really find the subject fascinating. A much interesting video, as always, thanks and good eavening
"Gothic literature emerged as a reaction to the age of enlightenment, which emphasized reason, science and rationality. So, Romanticism literature emphasizes emotion and individualism.[...] The focal point of gothic stories is to create and explore feelings or emotions of unease, mystery, melancholy and other extreme emotions - especially the dark aspect of human nature. Meanwhile for something to be horror the writer needs to at least be able to provoke fear in the audience. Horror stories frequently involve more violence, gore and psychological terror. " @4:00 Excellent video. Thank you for your effort :)
@@ayonticasaha3011 Yes! Bram Stoker´s Dracula, Mary Shelley´s Frankestein, take all of Edgar Allan Poe´s and Howard Phillip Lovecraft´s (this last one is more Cosmic horror), Gaston Leroux´s The Phantom of the Opera... This is all I can remember now. I hope it helps ♥
Yep you nailed it, I prefer dark fiction that explores feelings of melancholy and depression, and also tends to be the fiction I write and draw. But I dont like what is often labelled horror, with exception being J Horror. The vampires I go for are more like the scifi notion or romance rather than stuff like that recent zombie movie that simply swapped zombies for vampires. A love story between vampires and humans, when done well, is my favorite thing. One difference from Gothic I like is more of a focus on familial lineages of vampires, and their overlap with shady professions where you only want a vamp for the job.
I am taking my first crack at writing a Gothic/Horror. It being my first go, im walking a fine line. I see the delicate balance i must maintain. I had to write a very uncomfortable scene about an arranged marriage. I struggled with it because its such an awful thing, but i needed to express that. It couldnt just be "and then this happened." It would have too much to paint a scene of abuse. So instead i turned the scen inward. Instead of showing the things happening, i described the TERROR and the rising fears and emotions of the character. Its like. Forget the blood and gore. Forget the supernatural. Have you ever felt trapped? Removed from everythign you know and love? Have you ever just lost control of everything you hold dear and been thrust into a new life you never really wanted. With no way back to how things were? Thats scary.
Very interesting. I guess I overlap in the two but I never really thought about the distinction. I absolutely love horror, but I love goth too, I listen to Blutengel, Sisters of Mercy, The Smiths, The Cure, Witches' Rune, Maria Loves Me etc. I think horror augments gothic so well that things like Diablo are masterpieces because of it.
Really good video 👍🏻 at the end of the day it's all about people's preference in what they like of anyting. As for me I love horror movies, the Goth subculture also all other aspects of Gothic subjects & things. 💀🖤
Came here bc while looking at the wikipedia page of jacksepticeye i came across this _Elements of gothic storytelling have been identified in McLoughlin's Let's Plays of horror games and in the character of Antisepticeye,_ And went "wait what huh what??" And even clicked on the cited definition of gothic fiction yet i still dont get it or how anti is "gothic" in some way. And this video checks out everything i need to know between gothic and horror genre/elements. You did great!
I would argue that the very first horror novel is Daniel Defoe's Journal of the Plague Year published in 1723, which tells the story of the great plague in London in 1665. The horror is conveyed through vivid description of the plague's effects on the people it claimed. I do appreciate the break down between gothic and horror, though the jump scare and final girl elements are more cinema than literature (jump scares being somewhat difficult in print). Solid analysis overall. Keep up the good work!
I think one key difference is the way elements of the story are treated. In horror it emphasises on the "spectacular" side of things and insentivies strong emotionnal reactions, on the other hand, gothic look on things is macabre gloomy and morbid - some might even say grotesque - but not in a spectacular way, but rather in a contemplation state of mind, looking at dark and harsh themes and objects as they are and seeing the beauty and sublime in it, even if there isn't any to find at first glance. In a sense, I think horror is looking of a visceral reaction, a kind of short term intense subversion of our thinking schemes whereas gothic is looking for a more visceral atmosphere, a long lasting feeling of "malaise" or feeling that we have to accomodate to...
This was a long long comment, all my apologies but I really find the subject fascinating.
A much interesting video, as always, thanks and good eavening
There's no need to apologize. I really enjoy reading your comment. Good day to you as well.
"Gothic literature emerged as a reaction to the age of enlightenment, which emphasized reason, science and rationality. So, Romanticism literature emphasizes emotion and individualism.[...] The focal point of gothic stories is to create and explore feelings or emotions of unease, mystery, melancholy and other extreme emotions - especially the dark aspect of human nature. Meanwhile for something to be horror the writer needs to at least be able to provoke fear in the audience. Horror stories frequently involve more violence, gore and psychological terror. " @4:00
Excellent video. Thank you for your effort :)
Thank you for watching as well!
Excelent video, i´m goth and i love the mix of Gothic, Horror and Romance 🖤🫀🦇
Can you please recommend some books that involve these three? I'm searching for some
@@ayonticasaha3011 Yes! Bram Stoker´s Dracula, Mary Shelley´s Frankestein, take all of Edgar Allan Poe´s and Howard Phillip Lovecraft´s (this last one is more Cosmic horror), Gaston Leroux´s The Phantom of the Opera... This is all I can remember now. I hope it helps ♥
@@CyborgTecnology18 Thank youuuu
Yep you nailed it, I prefer dark fiction that explores feelings of melancholy and depression, and also tends to be the fiction I write and draw. But I dont like what is often labelled horror, with exception being J Horror. The vampires I go for are more like the scifi notion or romance rather than stuff like that recent zombie movie that simply swapped zombies for vampires.
A love story between vampires and humans, when done well, is my favorite thing.
One difference from Gothic I like is more of a focus on familial lineages of vampires, and their overlap with shady professions where you only want a vamp for the job.
Yeah I prefer gothic to horror as well. I'd be less aware about horror if it's not for my siblings. Thanks for your comment. Really enjoy reading it.
And then there is POE, who does it all throughout many of his tales: mystery/atmosphere/horror/terror/romance....etc
I am taking my first crack at writing a Gothic/Horror. It being my first go, im walking a fine line. I see the delicate balance i must maintain. I had to write a very uncomfortable scene about an arranged marriage. I struggled with it because its such an awful thing, but i needed to express that. It couldnt just be "and then this happened." It would have too much to paint a scene of abuse. So instead i turned the scen inward. Instead of showing the things happening, i described the TERROR and the rising fears and emotions of the character.
Its like. Forget the blood and gore. Forget the supernatural. Have you ever felt trapped? Removed from everythign you know and love? Have you ever just lost control of everything you hold dear and been thrust into a new life you never really wanted.
With no way back to how things were?
Thats scary.
Very interesting. I guess I overlap in the two but I never really thought about the distinction. I absolutely love horror, but I love goth too, I listen to Blutengel, Sisters of Mercy, The Smiths, The Cure, Witches' Rune, Maria Loves Me etc.
I think horror augments gothic so well that things like Diablo are masterpieces because of it.
☽༺ I'm in love with your videos! I do love all these gothic, melancholic and even eerie themes. ༻☾
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for producing this video. It is excellent!
Thanks for another awesome video . . . .
Thanks for watching as always!
Really good video 👍🏻 at the end of the day it's all about people's preference in what they like of anyting. As for me I love horror movies, the Goth subculture also all other aspects of Gothic subjects & things. 💀🖤
Thanks a bunch!
@@kjrasa you're welcome & enjoy the rest of your week
Thank you for this great video
Came here bc while looking at the wikipedia page of jacksepticeye i came across this
_Elements of gothic storytelling have been identified in McLoughlin's Let's Plays of horror games and in the character of Antisepticeye,_
And went "wait what huh what??" And even clicked on the cited definition of gothic fiction yet i still dont get it or how anti is "gothic" in some way. And this video checks out everything i need to know between gothic and horror genre/elements. You did great!
Came for the explanation but left with bonus neoclassical darkwave 😂💜
I would argue that the very first horror novel is Daniel Defoe's Journal of the Plague Year published in 1723, which tells the story of the great plague in London in 1665. The horror is conveyed through vivid description of the plague's effects on the people it claimed.
I do appreciate the break down between gothic and horror, though the jump scare and final girl elements are more cinema than literature (jump scares being somewhat difficult in print). Solid analysis overall. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your thoughtful comment! And I will look up the novel - sounds very interesting.
I recommend "The Sandman" by E.T.A. Hoffmann if you like uncanny.
I think gothic horror is more creepy and atmospheric than horrifying, and never relies on grossout or jump scares.
There are numerous gothic horror books and films.
So I’ve got a question for you, could you give me any recommendations for and bands/musical projects that are influenced by gothic literature?
Nosferatu 90s goth band. Their music is dramatic cheesy and all bangers.
Well done
great video
Thank you i have to write something gothic for school
Can you explane way gothic is so Gatkiping ... i dont gett it :c