Thanks for the review. I've been looking for a TRE crossover setup for years. I wonder if the full lock quirk is from wheel offset. It changes the scrub radius and I noticed changes in my steering from that.
I am so glad to hear you found the review helpful! I should probably do another update review on it, more long term. But the full lock quirk has gotten better. I think it was more to do with the steering box I had. I have sine swapped it out and that little tug doesn’t happen anymore. I did lose steering radius at first because the drag link TRE at the passenger side knuckle, it would contact the sway bar mount on the axle on the passenger side. I clearances the mount and that helped. I also noticed that the body of the steering stabilizer was dented and when I cycled the steering, the dent lined up with the track bar, so I took it off completely. My steering radius has improved, but it is still limited but I think that is more due to the Durango steering box I am running and not the ORO steering system. That’s why I said, I probably should do an update video and mention those things. I guess I hadn’t done it since this video doesn’t get a lot of attention.
@@BenTheJeepGuy Oh that makes sense about the steering box. I've been researching those as well and the stock XJ box has a progressive ratio for sharp turns. The further into the cycle it gets the faster the wheels turn. So, if the steering is more functional than the stock y-link it could amplify the ratio progression.
@@sylvanbowyer341 yup, so there is some minor steering loss at this point but I really mean it is minor. Only time I really notice it is turning into parking spaces, driveways, and cul-de-sacs. But again, it’s only at full lock and it’s small enough that because I have had the Jeep 20 years, I know it’s not as tight of turning, but someone else probably wouldn’t notice.
@@BenTheJeepGuy Nice. It's probably just natural wear on the tres or something, and probably still light years better than stock lol. I have the V8 ZJ setup on mine and while it's better than stock I can't wait to get rid of the Y-link setup and go crossover. This'll be the kit I use for sure.
@@sylvanbowyer341 prior to this kit I had an HD tie rod from Iron Rock that I was running with the stock y-link setup. All the parts of the y-link had been replaced all at the same time I did the HD tie rod, so it was as good as stock could get, plus some with the tie rod upgrade, but the difference between y-link and crossover is night and day. I didn’t think my y-link really had any bump steer, but the ORO has NO bump steer, it’s really a dream to drive now. I think I am going to add back a stabilizer, just to add a little resistance back to the steering since now without one + WJ power steering pump + Durango steering box, it’s almost too lite feeling. Lots of strength and not loose, just a little too lite feeling. I’ll probably do an update video once I do that and get a little seat time under my belt.
It’s held up phenomenally! I love the way my Jeep handles now! The pulling itself the rest of the way has seemed to go away with a new steering box so that may have just been the box being worn out. The turning all the way to full lock is still an issue but a smaller issue because I clearanced the sway bar bracket by grinding a small relief groove into it and that has seemed to help to where it’s not as big of deal. But I give this system a 9/10! Easy install, amazing driveability improvements, and excellent strength offroad. I’m building a D44 front axle to match my rear and my build is centered around keeping this steering if that gives you any idea on how much I like it haha
@@mackjacobs5489 so I’m currently rocking 35” tall tires now and it handles them VERY well. Though I did see a slight decrease in what I would say is “comfortable” braking. The D44 I’m building is a TJ front D44 from a Rubicon TJ Wrangler. The TJ front D44 is identical to the XJ and TJ D30 counterpart, so I can keep this steering setup and my factory knuckles. Unfortunately there aren’t really any brake up grades that keep the factory knuckles and this steering system only works with factory knuckles. I already swapped the rear brakes for ZJ disc brakes and I bought a Durango master cylinder that is supposed to give me some braking upgrades as well. I will be making a video of that upgrade too but if you want to look into the master cylinder upgrade, Martin Built has a video that highlights that upgrade as well!
@@mackjacobs5489 those all require different knuckles which then would mean I can’t use this steering kit. So I chose to keep the steering because the braking wasn’t so bad to where I felt that it was my deciding factor instead of the steering
Thanks for the review. I've been looking for a TRE crossover setup for years. I wonder if the full lock quirk is from wheel offset. It changes the scrub radius and I noticed changes in my steering from that.
I am so glad to hear you found the review helpful! I should probably do another update review on it, more long term. But the full lock quirk has gotten better. I think it was more to do with the steering box I had. I have sine swapped it out and that little tug doesn’t happen anymore. I did lose steering radius at first because the drag link TRE at the passenger side knuckle, it would contact the sway bar mount on the axle on the passenger side. I clearances the mount and that helped. I also noticed that the body of the steering stabilizer was dented and when I cycled the steering, the dent lined up with the track bar, so I took it off completely. My steering radius has improved, but it is still limited but I think that is more due to the Durango steering box I am running and not the ORO steering system. That’s why I said, I probably should do an update video and mention those things. I guess I hadn’t done it since this video doesn’t get a lot of attention.
@@BenTheJeepGuy Oh that makes sense about the steering box. I've been researching those as well and the stock XJ box has a progressive ratio for sharp turns. The further into the cycle it gets the faster the wheels turn. So, if the steering is more functional than the stock y-link it could amplify the ratio progression.
@@sylvanbowyer341 yup, so there is some minor steering loss at this point but I really mean it is minor. Only time I really notice it is turning into parking spaces, driveways, and cul-de-sacs. But again, it’s only at full lock and it’s small enough that because I have had the Jeep 20 years, I know it’s not as tight of turning, but someone else probably wouldn’t notice.
@@BenTheJeepGuy Nice. It's probably just natural wear on the tres or something, and probably still light years better than stock lol. I have the V8 ZJ setup on mine and while it's better than stock I can't wait to get rid of the Y-link setup and go crossover. This'll be the kit I use for sure.
@@sylvanbowyer341 prior to this kit I had an HD tie rod from Iron Rock that I was running with the stock y-link setup. All the parts of the y-link had been replaced all at the same time I did the HD tie rod, so it was as good as stock could get, plus some with the tie rod upgrade, but the difference between y-link and crossover is night and day. I didn’t think my y-link really had any bump steer, but the ORO has NO bump steer, it’s really a dream to drive now. I think I am going to add back a stabilizer, just to add a little resistance back to the steering since now without one + WJ power steering pump + Durango steering box, it’s almost too lite feeling. Lots of strength and not loose, just a little too lite feeling. I’ll probably do an update video once I do that and get a little seat time under my belt.
How well has this steering held up? Did you get your two issues fixed? Would you still recommend the steering?
It’s held up phenomenally! I love the way my Jeep handles now! The pulling itself the rest of the way has seemed to go away with a new steering box so that may have just been the box being worn out. The turning all the way to full lock is still an issue but a smaller issue because I clearanced the sway bar bracket by grinding a small relief groove into it and that has seemed to help to where it’s not as big of deal. But I give this system a 9/10! Easy install, amazing driveability improvements, and excellent strength offroad. I’m building a D44 front axle to match my rear and my build is centered around keeping this steering if that gives you any idea on how much I like it haha
Are you planning on going with any bigger brakes with the 44? I see you have some rather large tires.
@@mackjacobs5489 so I’m currently rocking 35” tall tires now and it handles them VERY well. Though I did see a slight decrease in what I would say is “comfortable” braking. The D44 I’m building is a TJ front D44 from a Rubicon TJ Wrangler. The TJ front D44 is identical to the XJ and TJ D30 counterpart, so I can keep this steering setup and my factory knuckles. Unfortunately there aren’t really any brake up grades that keep the factory knuckles and this steering system only works with factory knuckles. I already swapped the rear brakes for ZJ disc brakes and I bought a Durango master cylinder that is supposed to give me some braking upgrades as well. I will be making a video of that upgrade too but if you want to look into the master cylinder upgrade, Martin Built has a video that highlights that upgrade as well!
www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/17-diy-big-brake-kit-xj-mj-tj-yj-d30-44-a-222937/
Or Vanco big brake kits. Just some food for thought.
@@mackjacobs5489 those all require different knuckles which then would mean I can’t use this steering kit. So I chose to keep the steering because the braking wasn’t so bad to where I felt that it was my deciding factor instead of the steering