Woodland Mills vs Woodmizer sawmill comparison
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2023
- HM130max and LT15wide sawmill comparison. We talk about the differences between mills, what we have found after a year running each. Ran the mills side by side all day cutting pine and black walnut logs. There will be videos on Nate's Channel of the black walnut and tons of footage of both mills @BissellMapleFarm Nate and crew are a riot, I have so much fun every time we get together. Hope you enjoy the video.
Nates Director's cut version, lots of new footage • Woodland Mills Vs Wood...
(it's better than my video by far!) - Навчання та стиль
Six months ago I called Woodmizer to see about ordering one of their sawmills. The salesman arrogantly told me the wait was at least a year. He acted like I was bothering him by even calling him. I hung up and called Woodland Mills and ordered the 130Max. It was delivered to my farm in Virginia 7 days later.
There is no excuse for that, not for the attitude nor for the delivery times.. I waited a year for my mill, on the day I picked it up a guy walked in to woodmizer wanting a mill, they told him 18 months, he said how did this guy get a mill today and they said I waited. He turned to me and said I'll give you $5000 more than you paid for your mill if you sell it to me today.
@@mcsawmill I would have pocketed the $5,000 and bought a HM130 Max. The logs don’t know the difference. 😁
@@kiheidude the log I sawed into 9 4x8 in the video?
Me too. I got mine right away last fall. I finally set it up last week. Haven’t tried it yet. I am so excited to take these big oak logs I have and make lumber
Oh by the way, Woodland Mills I’m short one nut for one of the bolts but I have five extra nuts for some other bolts. Not bad I can live with it.
It’s too bad you had a bad experience but I’ve owned another brand of mill prior to my Woodmizer and nothing I’ve seen yet even compares.
I was going to buy a Woodmizer this last Jan but they were backordered like 9 months. So i bought the Woodland Max with the woodlander trailer. Been super happy. I have the throttle set so it runs with no water unless you give it a little more squeeze and then the water flows. I really like this as i can control when i want water or not. Some wood is wet/green and does not need water. After watching this video, the Woodmizer has a few things i like, such as the controls. But the log locks being screws, well the Woodland clamp system is fast once you get the hang of them. Glad i got the Woodland. Very happy. Also, blades sure dull quickly if there is any dirt on the log. Thanks for your gracious interaction. Looked like a fun day sawing!
Woke up this morning with a plan in my mind,
Gonna mill my own lumber, gonna work that grind.
Got my chainsaw roaring, and my mill set up right,
Turning logs into lumber, by the morning light.
Milling my own lumber, it's a labor of love,
From the forest to the workshop, it's like hand in glove.
Every cut and every plank, tells a story so true,
Milling my own lumber, it's what I love to do.
Awesome!
So glad I decided on my 130Max! WOW!
As a 130Max owner this is quality content. No BS about the magical attributes. I couldn’t be happier with my mill but sometimes you get videos that aren’t exactly accurate. Great work
Thanks! We aren't trying to sell anything, just giving folks information about our mills.
Great video; I loved the side by side comparison of the two mills. You were simply pointing out the different characteristics of the two; not bashing either one.
It was really fun.
Excellent review of both mills guys!!! Thank you!!!!!
Great firsthand insight on these mills, nice job guys.
Great comparison! Thank you.
I have an HM126 Woodland, been using it steadily for last 2 years, very happy with it. Dealer has been excellent and helpful. 14 hp Kohler.
This was fantastic boys! We’re a timber frame company and about to invest in a mill. The woodland and the mizer are the two I was looking at. Super helpful!!
Nice comparison! 😃👏👏
My 2003 Hudson Oscar 36 handles 35+ inches wide and 25 foot lengths. Powered by a Vanguard 23 hp V Twin engine. No hydraulics and manual drive it is a great mill for me. Bought it new, restored in 2017 and ready to go again. Sawdust no problem, logs rolling in on a lifted rail system which eliminates the logs rolling on the ground. It is a fixed type not portable but many spruce and hemlock trees of 32 to 35 inches wide. I plan on constructing a saw mill shed over it to cover the infeed deck, the mill, and the trailer to haul the cut lumber to my drive thru lumber shed. Dual chain lifts with overhead tracks that can move the lumber from the trailer to any of the 16 lumber bins in this shed. All designed to be a one man operation who is a grandpa, that's me. Welcome to an old school Alaskan.
this is the shootout i wanted. thanks guys.
That was cool to watch! Great job fellas.
Thanks Shawn, Nate's is fun to UA-cam with.
Great job .............learned a lot. Maybe this fall i will finally get my mill. We have twenty acres of cedar and hardwood. This was so helpful.
The idea was to show the things to look at in a home sawmill. At least some of them.
Great review and comparison video! This along with the availability of equipment helped us make our decision to get a sawmill. We ended up going with the Wood-Mizer LT15 standard sawmill with a 19hp Kohler. With the added bonus of starting a UA-cam channel at the same time has made this an absolute blast so far.
Oh cool, I'll check out your channel!
@@mcsawmill We appreciate any advice you can give. Humility is a strong suit if you want to improve!
After you hit 1k subs, shorts hurt your channel. You want people who watch yt on a TV because they are the ones who watch 20min videos. Second don't listen to what anyone else says, including me lol... Do it your way and have fun doing it.
@@mcsawmill Very sound advice! I appreciate it a ton.
love the sawdust bucket catchers.
Lol why am I not surprised?
Nice comparison. Thank you guys. I appreciate the comment "no matter which mill we get we push it to the max". Yep. Nature of man vs machine. No matter which side-by-side comparison you do, the contenders will have pluses and minuses. Nobody makes the "perfect mill", and if they did I couldn't afford it. For the money, the Woodland Mills is a great homeowner/homesteader sawmill that will more than satisfy. I have a 130Max and couldn't be happier. Yes, with only 7.5 above the blade (it's due to how/where they mount the engine) you do have to cut thicker boards by cutting in from both sides. But so far that hasn't been a deal breaker. I did add the power head for raising/lowering the blade. My arthritic shoulder is much happier. What I'm trying to cobble together now is a debarker that will run just in front of the blade on the entry side of the cut to improve blade life by getting rid of the bark with the dirt and grime that gets embedded in the log bark from dragging them around. In my spare time...
I've been dreaming up something similar. I was thinking of an angle grinder with carbide inserts. And controlling depth with a guide wheel or a disc that is slightly smaller diameter thank the cutting wheel.
Great❤video ...anymore info on the rpm gauge? I also have the hm130max
@hpw59 Absolutely! We have a few more videos to make, and we can absolutely show how we did this.
@@BissellMapleFarmthere are several on the market, you could copy one of the existing ones but your idea sounds pretty close. Use spring tension on it so that it will follow the contour of the log. I ran an LT30 for about two years, all sizes and lengths from six feet to 18 ft. When I got up to like 10 ft long and probably 12 in I could average a thousand board feet an hour working by myself. That was a fully automated wood-mizer. Also I never used water.
@@Royal-xh8dbgood stuff.
This like watching "Sawing with Sandy" vs "Fall line Ridge". Fantastic video and comparison, thank you!
Wow, Thank you, I watch both those channels and to me that's an awesome compliment.
Wow! That's an honor! Two great channels that we watch!
Nice work😊
Great video!!!! I just started featuring my Woodland Mills HM 130 Max on my channel as well. I love it. I really appreciate how you all seem to have a really great time making this video. The comraderie is outstanding! I just subbed your channel.👍
Nate's video of the comparison and the black walnut footage should be out soon. I'll check out your channel.
Good video guys! Looks like alot of fun! For Nate/Austin...there's videos out there on puttin a drill on the up/down crank...might have been a 126 however.
I'll make sure he knows. Thanks!
great vid helped my decision to buy woodlands thanks guys
great video,,you guys know your stuff,,
Nate is a riot to work with, he likes to pretend like he doesn't do much but he really works
I love this video, George!
Yours is better
It was a great idea. We need to practice a couple songs....
I am going to purchase one of these saw mills and great information......
Just know, manual sawmills are a LOT more work than you think.
Thanks for your show. I'm impressed, and It's of course more difficult to get the band saw blade to cut straight without vibrations with narrow saw bands in big twisty logs with such large twigs as in the big log on the orange mill, so that's not the skilled sawmasters fault. I think both saw mills would work well for people that want to use their own timber in a better way and make wood materials for own use, and if possible do some extra for others with the same needs. In addition it's pleasant work😊. And as you know the 4-6" wide band saw blades which are more accurate and can handle big twigs better are normally used on large commercial saw mills.Thanks for the video.
Ive had a timberking 1220 for 15 yrs. I use the timberwolf blades in .045, 10 degree for sinker cypress logs. They are great cutting blades. Send all my dull blades to Cooks for resharpening. Keep up the good work.
I have carbide blades on order, will be another month before they come in but I plan to try them because they are supposed to be much nicer cutting really wide cuts. I'll make a video on it once I get them.
Cool video. I use a Norwood HD38 and I love it. Might have to run a comparison video myself for my channel.
I'd like to see a Norwood compared like we did, cut width, space above blade, hp, steel thickness, water system, etc.
The Woodland Mills toe board that they offer is pretty nice
I use a scissor jack for a toeboard sitting on a piece of metal the width of the mill. Nothing is bolted so can put anywhere depending on length of log. Only have $25 invested in toeboard and with jack down, sits below the bunks.
We have a woodland 126 woth a 14 horse motor. We cut a lot of oak and some pine. It's been a great investment for our ranch and has performed well.
You can't beat woodland Mills for the price, they make a great sawmill. But if you put it next to a woodmizer you can instantly see why the woodmizer costs more, they are also a great mill. We tried to show the difference, not a which is better thing.
Bought my HM130 Max over a month ago. Called and ordered it and picked it up at the warehouse in Portland a week later. I bought 2 extensions so I can mill 20' lumber. Very happy with the mill so far. However, there are a few tricks I'll need to learn about milling flat and keeping the cant square. Time is the best teacher and I've got plenty of that. So glad I didn't spend over twice as much on the LT15 wide, and then wait forever to get it.
I think if you talk to anyone who has run both they will tell you the price difference is justified. The wait is the killer..
What's the price tag on these?
@@sherimatukonis6016 as they sit in the video, Green one was $7K and orange one was $16k
@@mcsawmill seems like the $7k is comparable and half the cost. Unless I missed something.
@@sherimatukonis6016 harbor freight has a $3k sawmill, it's comparable too...
The cameraman's a smartass
hi there interesting show john
In depth walk around of the GT26 Australian designed portable sawmill ,this one better to watch
73 Deaf as a post from machinery, happy to see everyone wearing proper PPE's Great non competition!
Awesome video Great work !
Great video guys- Thank you Team green for the win for most homesteads.
Team green is a great entry point. But like Nate said, he can see why the woodmizer costs more. I love my orange mill. They are both good sawmills.
@@mcsawmill Yeah nice extra features but that cost difference would be worth it especially if you are solo.
I love mw Woodmizer wide and have had it for years and cut thousands of board feet of high quality lumber. I also have cut lots of slabs for furniture , tables , bars ect.. We sell 98% of our lumber. Because of shortage of steel and covid there ended up being a 1 year back log .Here in the western states we have lots of big logs our Woodmizer sells people here in Northern Ca are very polite and professional . I've been a very satisfied costumer.
Very interesting comparison. I have an HM130 Woodland Mills band saw, 2016 vintage. My son and I share the mill and move the saw head between our farms. I built a very heavy duty deck for the saw and can saw 22 ft. logs. My son has the deck that came with the mill and can saw up to 16 ft. logs. We both saw A LOT of lumber and have not had any serious problems with it. The only real maintenabce was replacing the clutch this spring. A bit of a job. I had to cut it off with a torch since it was siezed to the drive shaft. I tried using a puller but there is not much purchase on the clutch. I used thread ease on the shaft before I installed the new clutch. If I need to replace it I think a puller would work since there may be enough to grip puller jaws on and apply some pulling force. I am in the process of mechanizing my mill. I have log dogs powered by a DC actuator and have almost completed installation of a DC hydraulic log dog. Still figuring out how to install the DC hydraulic log turner.
I really enjoyed your honest evaluation by some guys that have obviously milled plenty of lumber.
I would love to see your dc log turner! thanks for the comment!
This was some good info. I'm pretty sure you've milled more than I have!!
Good comparison, I have 126 woodland. The 126 makes me keep the log size down, which is ok with me. I'm a one horse operation, I use the tractor if I have to. 👍 a lazer would be nice and electric start, and being able to raise one end of the log conveniently, these are the 3 things I've wished for. 👍
Check Sawing with Sandy.He added lasers.
Woodlands have toe boards, I have lifted 28 in 16 foot log. With 12 volt driver. It sits in the rails easy to move an use. On my hm130 max
Watching them turn the log was painful. I installed a hand crank boat winch. Used to load and turn big logs one person.
A small scissor Jack with a long handle would work well to Jack up logs. Excellent video, thanks
I have a wood mixer Lt15 wide with a 10 hp electric motor. I have put about a 1000 hrs on it and it has worked pretty good. I put an amp gage on the motor because I couldn't tell how hard I was working the motor and kept stalling it. Put a electric solenoid valve with a switch on the control panel for the water. I don't like the log clamps because when you are sawing a square cant and the clamps is laying down it doesn't hold and the cant can roll over when sawing. The cross bunks are thick enough steel but the main frame is not as thick and is too light to handle the weight of big logs. I like the way the woodland log clamps work and that they slide up and down. I am going to check out the thicker blades because for cutting wide slabs the 45 blade is to thin. I have owned a Lt30, a Lt50, and now this Lt15 and have liked Woodmere pretty well.
When filling up... a funnel is very helpful, they have been around for decades.
I think that's a great idea, even better would be to use one of those long tube things that attach to the water spigot...
Woodland Mills dose have a power up and down kit to add on
Bought it. Pricey but well worth it. Saved my shoulder.
I'd like to add one. Isn't it like $900?
@@BissellMapleFarm Yes it is.
@@billrichardsjr It's currently $549 CAD (May 2024)
Watching you guys with the toe boards I would say use a long lever seems like it'd be quicker and easier... I work by myself quite a bit with huge logs in a manual lt15wide and I made an 8' peavy that is my best friend.
Same mill here. My toe board is a Hi-Lift jack. My big log rotator is a Hi-Lift jack. My 12" x 12" beam mover is a Hi-Lift jack. I too work alone. Well, me and my Hi-Lift jack. LOL Oh, and I'm 65 years old.
@@loghog4392 I just bought a 15 wide after having a 130 max. I’m curious how you put the jack in for the Woodmizer to lift the log and rotate it. Can you tell me more about how you’re using the jack?
I’ve seen others add a OEM style car scissors Jack for a tow board. Same kind used t charge spare tire. Manual or drill operated.
The LT15-Wide is approaching three times the cost and isn't three times better or two times better, if better at all. Power to Woodland Mills for keeping the cost down.
LT15wide is $12,700, HM136max is $8000
I had a timberking 1220 and we built our own trailer, we could saw 20' and used mobility scoter motors for feed and up and down with pulse modulating to control the speed. It worked perfect. you just have to use 24 volts and have to charge the battery's at the end of day as your motor only puts out 12 volts. i got the idea from another youtuber....
@tcsawmills has a nice timberking mill but you'll have to go back a ways to find a video where he uses it.
Great video .Get the rear tires on the tractor loaded with liquid ballast it will make a big difference !
They are loaded with Beet Juice. It makes a HUGE difference.
Watching your video now.....on that corded drill, put it on 1 and it'll have more torque
Very helpful comparison. That tip for the trailer manufacturer is excellent.
I see Woodland now has a 136 max.
But, the depth of cut or throat looks shallow.
I had same experience with Woodmizer vs Woodland. Better availability and less superiority complex from Woodland.
And comparing small mills, Woodland has the highest standard engine horsepower. The others only offer similar hp as an added cost option to make there standard prices seem more affordable.
the woodland mills is a great home sawmill, the woodmizer is worth the wait. Buy what is right for you. Harbor freight has a $3k sawmill, if all you want is to cut 2x4 and 2x8 it'll do the job. We just wanted to show what to look at when deciding.
Dang! Time for a funnel! So, the second cut is 3/4" to make stickers? Great comparison! So, you can cut quarter-sawn lumber? Seems, with this grade of saw mill, NO!!
Yes outer cuts are for stickers. I don't quarter saw pine lol
Nice vid. The lesson I'm learning is I can 1) shell out the extra bucks for hydraulics and automation or 2) keep a couple teenage boys around. I've looked into the cost of feeding them - I think the hydraulics will be a lot cheaper.
Hydraulics are worth the money, so is the wide feature.
@@mcsawmilla wood-mizer with a log loader and hydraulics is an impressive machine. Working by myself I could put out 5000 ft in 6 hours making 4 x 6 cants, plus about a thousand feet of lumber.
@@Royal-xh8db one of the things we didn't mention is these are portable, so these mills are made smaller and lighter than fixed mills. You pay extra for portable so if you don't need it look at the fixed mills, many are bigger and faster.
@@mcsawmillthe one I was running started Life as a portable, it was then set up inside a building.
All those look like wood Mizer thumbs up
Yall ever get yalls hands on the lt40 super with acuset 2 you love it
No doubt.. it would have to be the wide though, I'm spoiled...
I use a floor Jack on my woodland mill to lift the end.
All those who want Woodland, thumbs up
For me: hydraulic log lift, turning and moving- no manual nothing and definitely not going to walk with cutting
Come back in 5 years and show me those sawmills
Interesting ty 👍💪👏🏆🏆👴🐕🚜😎🤠🙏🙏
On (A&D Adventure on Timber Mountain) , i have the hd130max from woodland mills
great machine ,small motor for the size of cut but motors along just fine ,and i like the feel of the cut as pushing
the only thing that i wood have liked on the woodland mills is the bunk raise
great comparison !!!
Are you cutting all the lumber for that cabin build? I just subbed, I want to watch that, good videos!
@@mcsawmill yes we are cutting all our lumber for our build ,but we have to send out the planks to get dried and planed, this will be a new project on our video program , meaning will be planing to build our own wood kiln.cheers Anne and Dean
I use a farm jack like they use off road with a spike on the lift to roll the logs on my home made sawmill
That's a good idea.im making a cable with a hook on the end for skid steer forks.
I have a 26 inch range road mill wishing i had bought a Woodland
It's a really good mill.
They make a thing to assist pouring fluids I think it's called a funnel 😂😂
you are cool
Does the Woodland Mills not have a grease zerk fitting in the center bearing for each blade pulley, like the Woodmizer has? Normally the blade safety cover is removed [on the working side], and you pump grease in at a zerk in the center of each pulley. Maybe the fitting is in the back, but that would be hard to get to.
I didn't see one but I've only found 1 on the woodmizer and it's on the height adjustment wheel
@@mcsawmill Thanks, I hope the owners chip in with comments.
@@bstiger6482 the LT15 is mine, like I said there is only 1 grease fitting, it's on the up down handle piviot. The blade wheels use sealed bearings and on my mill the blade guide rollers are not greasable (you can buy greasable rollers)
I just checked with Austin, the woodland mills uses a sealed bearing for the blade wheels just like the LT15.
@@mcsawmill Thanks, buddy, for checking on those facts. I suppose a sealed bearing would work better [has pros & cons] than a zerk fitting bearing, but there are some sawmills that has a zerk fitting. Imagine saw dust and grease mixed together?
The red healer was you best equipment
Toeboard? You mean wedges! We have the norwood mill and it was a little finniky in the beginning but now when everything is set up it works well. And some toe oard mod will have to be made at some point. And hey make some T shaped measuring devices to find the centers of the log so you dont have to mess with the measuring tape
Tees? Tees? We don't need no stinking tees! Lol...
Who makes the trailer under the woodland mills? Is it made for the mill?
Dan Reed trailer from Argyle Wisconsin
@@mcsawmill I guess it was a custom order. They don't show anything on their site that is set up for a sawmill.
Welcome welcome every day and see how many motors you replace
Can you provide the link to the trailer manufacturer?
Sure. www.woodlandforestryproducts.com/
👍👍
I own a 2006 woodmizer LT15 gas. I’ve milled aprox 3 of those stacks shown at beginning of video (combined), hard and soft wood.
I don’t have the stainless steel bung covers but only now wish I had them, it will protect the mill structure and maintain accuracy.
Since I bought the mill in 2006, I’ve only had to call for more blades, and I think Woodmizer is “Made in America”, so….. 🇺🇸!
No disrespect to the other mill🙏
I have friends with old sawmills, all them are woodmizer. That's why I spent the extra money. Bunk covers make it easier to roll the logs too, they're slippery.
Made in Poland
@@robcarter2891 the US models are made in the US. The European models are made in Poland.
176" blade on the LT15W.
If they sold you .042 they did you a disservice..045 or .055 only way to go, thinner blade for more sharpenings, thicker for less chance of deflection, but you haven't be good with 2, maybe 3 sharpenings before they snap.
Having an impressive Timbering 1220 mill owner for over 10 years to compare, the Woodland HM 130 max is the best saw for the money but I'll leave it at that, however, the 14HP motor is undersized my advice is to go bigger if its an option.
You got it right, for the money it's an awesome saw. Probably should not have compared it to the LT15, it's competition is the EZ boardwalk 40, Hudson, etc. But we just showed the differences.
Would like to see same log size and new blades on both for a real comparison
for cutting speed? The woodmizer would win, it's got double the horsepower, that's why production mills have great big engines. Doesn't even matter if it's a band mill or a circle mill, horsepower = speed.
If you turn your c channel over you could put jack what every way you won't
True! But it does keep everything in the channel so we don't lose it.
I wonder if we'll have enough clearance. I'll have to look at that.
17 then, 20k now compared to 8k
Are they really $20,000 for an LT15 Wide with Go package?
I forgot, you also need an 18 volt 1/2 inch impact like for lug nuts, tons of torque to crank that lifter up
Thanks, I've tried my impact, it damages the device. Found the drill works much better. It's weird but true.
Now that you mention, it may have too much power, just looked like the drill was struggling? Thanks
I gotta lt-15 Go. It's not the Wide version. I put a winch on mine for loading n turning logs.
I have the manual winch and ramps but I can't use them with 2 ton and bigger logs, it would just flip the mill on its side.
If you buy a $15 clip-on guitar tuner it will "listen" to the engine and you can translate the key to rpm.
Whats the Benefit to the stainless tops
Prevents black marks on oak.
@@mcsawmill Ok that Makes since, Then Maybe I will put oak tops on My Mill I,m Making almost done. couple more days.
Cât costă un asemenea utilaj
Green $5000, Orange $9000 without wheels
If you were running a production operation for profit, I can see the need for a $45,000 mill.
Definitely, even multiple machines if they pay for themselves.
milling cypress pine with an Australian hardwood bandsaw mill, GT26 Deluxe, has a bigger opening for bigger cuts
Not sure why you would say that, I just looked that mill up and max cut width is 24", the HM130max is 30" and the LT15wide is 36"
Oh I see what you are talking about, depth of cut is 18", very nice!
hight
This was fun. 4000lb pine log.... who knew?!?!
I knew it was pretty big lol..
Ooops, didn't see this...see my other comment.
Need to get a welder and put some extra metal on the bed to handle the heavy logs.
That's probably true.
Ancient aliens used funnel technology
Austin has an NIH complex lol..
I use a funnel instead of making a mess lol
Or maybe even a jug would help lol
Guys. How about a garden hose?
You should use an impact driver instead of a drill
That doesn't work, tried that first.
That China mill cuts way smoother
The big vertical one?
I think in comparison with mills need proper specs need to be researched the 172 is 176 and 16’ is 17’8” the $32 is for bigger blades his shocks the gas leak out was actually a vendor problem .
everything you said is right. I realized the 172 thing after I published the video so... The length of the woodland mills was extended with a bed extension, we didn't mention that either. Sorry.
Woodland Mills w/ trailer.
even our woodmizer lt40 won't cut over 23.5. they claim 24 inchs. now way do to some bolts in the way.
Might want to check your manual about your blade guide assembly . My 89 lt 30 will cut 28" ,my 97 lt 40 cuts 28", and my 2012 lt 35 will only cut 26.5 wide.
The Wood-Mizer sets up in 2 mins doesn’t need to be level no comparison
Not a chance, not even on a flat concrete slab could you unhook it from the tow hitch and set it up that fast. Heck it takes me longer than 2 min just to get the water jug from the truck and hook that up.
You fellas ever hear of a funnel?
I heard of funnel cake, is it like that? Lol...
We are burning day light people
lol... it's not my job, I do this for fun!
@@mcsawmill That would make me DOUBLE MORE ACTIVE
Lets cut some logs