The Yu-Gi-Oh! Community HATES This Ban List...
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- protos should have stayed banned
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The stun player thinking he’s based but literally complaining about floodgates being flipped on him
Yup, Stevie
He has a point a pure stun deck has no boss monsters only floodgates it is definitely worse dealing with full power tear with negates like grapha baronne and the like and you just have to sit there and take a yolo topkeked floodgate on top of all the BS they setup for the turn. Floodgate decks maybe cringe but they are one trick ponies. Tear, branded, snake eyes have multiple tricks available to them so opening a floodgate after they vomited their best end board is rubbing salt in the wound
no no no no no... he was complaining about the hypocratie of none stun decks just mashing floodgates in there deck WITH there endboards and pretending that stun decks where the problem... even tho the reason most combo player's board are un breakble when they are going first on game 2 or 3 aren't because of the 3/4 omnis plus 2 removals, they are unbreakble because of the seven point of disruption PLUS skill drain or anti spell or summon limit during the opponent's draw phase. Except now, to consistently draw a floodgate, you basically need to be playing a stun deck... a REAL stun deck, which is really appealing to lazy players (which I mean... whatever, I'm not into that shit but some people like it ), where u have to embrasse the stun and turns out... consistently having ways of depriving basic game options from ur opponent like special summoning... is really powerfull !!!!
@@webe9008tell me how you do 3/4 Omni negates without baronne and savage
@@takahiko9583 well... I was talking before the banlist, hints floodgates adding to the endboard of combo decks so that wasn't the point. But just for the sake of giving you a response because why not : infernoble does some violent shit, fish with toad being legal and not once per turn (i play sharks, and have summoned up to 3 on one board, plus reanimation xyz set for... ANOTHER ONE), and for the future, have you heard of Light and Darkness Dragon Lord ?
We don't talk about the editing incident
what incident?
I'll always remember what you took from us. That black screen was everything to me.
the black screen will not be forgotten
What happens when you don’t have crush cards edit lmao
We do talk about that incident.
Pendmagician guy has a point, Konami legit has no idea how to make decent boss monsters. It's either complete garbage or a floodgate on legs, there's no in-between...
I'm all for banning generic ED stuff, but please give archetypes a good boss monster (that isn't a floodgate).
Have you read Ignister Prominence? That card is still cracked, but it does nothing on the opponent's turn. Konami makes good cards when they want to, they just haven't been giving a lot of decks good end board pieces since Baronne/Savage, so now they just don't have any.
That's a lot of cards to make
@@dudono1744 That's why Barrone and Savage should've been kept legal until they printed them all
DDD deus machinex is pretty cool too and doesn't negate. Konami definitely can make interesting boss monsters they're just lazy and know people will spend ridiculous amounts of money for the new generic freak of the week with some kind of omni-negate.
Adminia is pretty good so I like that
As much as we meme about Branded players, Skarlon does have a point that Ash Blossom is warping card design and has been doing so for almost its entire existence. Keep it at 3 tho.
And don't design around the card.
Shit card design honestly
yeaaaaaaaaah but I mean... it's kinda too late now, we would need a specific community made format, cause otherwise that ain't happening
That's the point with cards like that. They design around it so they decide if an archetype can be meta or not. It's no surprise that meta archetypes can play through multiple hand traps.
Im guess you're specifically typing maxx c in wrong spell
Or maybe that was intentional tho
where is the 10 second missing black screen at 1:20. Literally 1984
totally agree with them at 5:40, if your archetype doesn't have actual boss monsters you're just screwed now
There are other generic synchro level 8s and 10s.
as it should be
@@shapularwell you had to make cards that does smthg,even a pop or generate advantage anything and not fucking Stardust Spark pass
@@shapular there is literally no good generic 10s left in this game
Colossus just needs an errata. The condition shouldn’t be generic thunder monsters but rather (thunder dragon) monsters
NO
I would rather they remove its protection effect. I think giving Thunder King Rai-Oh the ability to survive a pop is kinda bullshit.
This is honestly the way to fix most of the "powerful boss monster" problems. Colossus needs Thunder Dragons, Borreload Savage needs Rokkets, etc. Printing boss monsters with specific materials is healthy, even more so for generic monsters like Apollousa. Just require it to be summoned with at least 1 Fairy-type monster to match its own type and boom, still powerful but now isn't an immediate end-board piece in every deck. Then we can print powerful end board cards that are type or archetype specific without adding to the bloat of every Extra Deck running identical high-power cards. If it's still too powerful, then it gets hit by the ban hammer.
I almost feel bad for the rogue decks that lost access to the generic bosses that got banned, but not really. Also don't ask me what decks were those, I have no idea, people keep saying it affected their rogue deck but refuse to elaborate.
guy in the video says Dracoslayer. Swordsoul is another such deck and also Dragon Link if you consider that rogue (I don't). Speedroids also comes to wind, a whole ass archetype that WIND locks you, Baronne was like the only generic extra deck card they could even play, I know they're in shambles rn
@@buddbrown4910 I mean, but Swordsoul and Speedroids still have decently strong boss monsters that provide interaction on the opponents turn. Losing Baronne certainly hurts them, but it's not exactly like they don't have a boss mosnter anymore or no interaction on the opponents turn
The problem, atleast as I see it, is that there's so many decks people lobe playing, but lack any reliable archetypal boss monsters. People want to play them, meaning they have to rely on Baronne and Borreload to make up for the otherwise gameplan-less deck.
I'll tell you. T.g just lost a playmaker, so did my dw Synchro variant, and my vaylantz Synchro variant as well. Rogue decks are incredibly important to the game and the loss of these crucial cards only make tier zero strategies more powerful
The "turn 4" take was a joke but there have been theorycrafting like, "Neither player inflicts battle damage in their first battle phase."
I think they should at least prevent burn damage from being done on turn 1 to stop a lot of FTKs.
I think instead they should prevent your lifepoint from going to 0 by cards activated/set on the first turn so burn strategy are not completely destroyed
New master rule: Age of forbidden Arts. All players are allowed one card from the forbidden list.
I'll take Ratpier :3
A 1-card exception could be neat
That's just traditional format
Pot of Greed
@@joshuacaesar2025 you are right. One card from the forbidden list is the exact same as there is no such thing as the forbidden list.
Thing that sucks, I just recently got my copy of both Baronne & Savage Dragon. Now I can't play them in decks I'm building right now. I understand why they got banned and I'm all for it. But now I gotta find other ED monsters to end on in my Libromancers, Scareclaw & Orcust. My Libromancers suffered more though at the loss of Baronne
Love the swordsoul level 10. Even in non swordsoul decks.
I think the best way to improve the current state of the game is to implement the duel-links banlist style to the TCG/OCG. Doing this can allow for multiple decks to have their boss monsters back in exchange for losing access to some more generic cards. It would give players an option to put all their eggs in one basket or spread out their selection of cards. This allows for konami to effectively ban unfair interactions between cards when used at the same time, while still allowing the individual cards to be used in their own strategies
This! I have been saying that for years.
There are 2 ways to counteract silly synergies in specific decks with non arc type cards:
-A Duel Links kind of Ban List style
-Making all the generic cards, that SHOULD be for 1 arctype not generic anymore! Why did Baron not need Fleur Synchron, why did Savage Dragon not need Rockets and why did Halq not need Crystron cards? These cards were only problems because they were super generic. And many other cards fall into the same category like Accesscode Talker.
The video cutout when block dragon was mentioned for me XD.
The issue now is that rogue tier might as well be dead. The guy who said there are so many decks who have a distinct lack of a good boss monster had a good point. If they ban apollousa then they might as well just say tier 1 and 0 decks are the only ones acceptable and no fun or tournament tops can happen with any other decks.
There's no solution to this. Having meta-defining generic boss monsters means the strongest decks are just the ones who can most consistently get to summon them. Those decks might as well not have any identity or unique mechanics since their entire win condition is just "vanilla turbo".
On the other hand, banning generic boss monsters means that any archetype without strong in-archetypes monsters is completely unplayable. This ironically already happens anyway, but at least with this instance decks actually have identity and interesting mechanics instead of just vomiting the same end-board over and over.
And now tier 4 decks are paying for Konami's laziness in card design.
@@mateusrp1994 Good they deserve it.
Most decks unsurprisingly don't end on Baronne and/or Savage and/or Apo, unless you play some weird jank tech to force them out.
@@Mouse_Librarian I disagree with there being no solution to this but that'll be at the end.
When it comes to the stronger decks using it outside of only Snake eyes before the banlist no other deck in the meta was consistently making use of Barrone or savage.
In terms of identity I disagree the decks do still keep their identity. In the case of Manaddium we still go through the motion of cycling through different planets (field spells) as if we're traveling through them, Swordsoul still ends on their boss monsters, synchrons still involve cards that represent Yusei's bonds (even Barrone represents a card used by a friend), Speedroids still makes use of the wing cards, Infernoble still uses the equip mechanic and focuses on charles. The only exception is really bad decks like Genex which have gotten 0 new boss monsters that are actually good. Those are the cards that may as well be vanillas
Manaddium and Synchrons were still able to top regionals before the banlist in fact two months ago adventure synchrons topped one. Once again the identity is still there.
A solution I'd like is to keep Barrone and Savage legal until the decks that all have a lack of decent boss monsters actually get some. Then errata or ban them.
ı remember last time you did one of these someone suggested 3rd pendulum scale in middle
I know baronne isn't like the healthiest card, but it makes me sad my zombie synchro deck doesn't really have another good synchro to end on now.
Gotta use crimson dragon to bring out a shooting quasar or a crystal clear wing dragon
I'm surprised it took Koonami this damn long to ban Baronne....
It just took them a minute to finally find enough hard drugs to be able to make such a ridiculous decision. That stuff is expensive, you know?
@@firestargaming9521 they should have taken those drugs sooner....
meanwhile i still play dinos even several years later
my two card combo can get 5-7 disruptions but one hand trap and i scoop
Means it’s a bad deck or a glass cannon
As a Dino player, glass cannon sounds about accurate.
0:16 Is this VaatiVidya?
6:35 Those are similar to my sentiments. A complaint I have bout the modern game is that there is no such thing as a combo deck anymore. The top tier decks are loaded full of one card starters that will build immense boards off of a single normal summon. That's not a combo. That's Inspector Boarder with extra steps.
shoutout to iono pfp guy using discord on his xbox what a true chad
Branded players try not to undersell their deck challenge (literally never happened in the history of modern yugioh yet)
Good to see a youtuber that cares and gives the voice to their direct followers❤
omninegates should be tied to either really small bodies like that level 4 herald synchro or apex avian where you either gotta setup pendulums or the loop.
Make players actually work for the ability to say "no" to their opponent. I think Konami is finally taking steps in the right direction.
As a branded player I have to say we can avoid banning ash if we put called by back to 3. Please Konami, I can be trusted😊.
I second this.
Yall don’t get to ask for banlist hits. You don’t get to keep dodging the list and ask for help.
Called By at 1 is just useless too. MD has it right by giving us 2 at least and unlimited lightning storm.
@@digiv3nomThese Branded players have the easiest and stickiest boards, while also having some of the best grind game in the game and still complain.
@@Phoenix-ff4le that’s what I’m saying, man. They’re spoiled.
I beg farfa do more of this !!!
Lol. Farfa ur so dope for this bro. Love u and ur channel!!!!
I was so Happy when I heard colossus was off the list and then they take Borreload Savage… sitting right next to chaos ruler… just wanna play my dragon links with my thunder dragons dang
I find it funny that one of the patrons is Unban Harp Horror ffs
From what i can tell as a casual player watches more sealed formats rather then anything else. The problem that seems visible to me with the game is that there is a lot of generic cards that say hey you can't play the game. I don't think ash would be a problem if cards like branded never existed. Power creep is real basically and it seems to affect 2 of the most prevalent card games magic and yugioh. yugioh just hit it much faster and i think that was probably engineered by konami because they like money.
trade offer to all branded players
you receive: ash blossom & joyous spring banned
I receive: branded fusion banned
do you accept?
Hey I'd take that
As a branded player ash is not a problem. We got like 3 or 4 cards you need to ash on turn 1 triple tactic and called by grave.. lol I'd rather keep my fusion card thanks. . Even on master duel where we only have one branded fusion the only hand trap I dislike is max c lol.
Pretty much everything this list did was amazing aside from the linkuriboh ban.
The problem was they needed to do more. A lot more.
HEROES are eating good right now.
Heros are broken. They have so much good support
This banlist is good long term as long as it further encourages the card designers to push for stronger engine support for decks. I think the generic boss model was not going to be sustainable if it leads to a bunch of decks using the same tactic of linear longwinded combos ending on the same omni negate synchros, xyz's or link monsters.
Konami has in recent sets has done well when it comes to focusing on stronger engine support. Unchained was excellent, Melodious is soon to be excellent, the new Duel Terminal support cards etc. If Konami can keep it up then we can be thankful for this banlist.
Ash should just be semi-limited and generic boss monsters should require slightly more specific materials for the special summon. Like beast-warrior or water attribute, etc.
what i hate about this banlist is the philosophy of certain deck are allowed to have a certain floodgates. if this is the way that konami take, by that philosophy arise-heart is okay to be unbanned.
1:25 Ah yes magnamhut my favorite bystial with 500 atk 🫠
Ash Blossom, Accescode and all cards that warp the game around them are, literally, just the way Konami found to implement rotation without actually doing it
Thousand-Eyes Idol to 2! We need to manufacture a new Destiny Hero Malicious.
2:22 YES!
time seal is still at 1
they fear it as a trap trick target
I like don’t let the game end till turn 4
Dracoslayers got vortex dragon and hieratic seal... We cool now
cant u also play kirin in there too?
@@straightenin47 I'm trying to make It more consistent with a majespecter engine him alone is really good
@@lollojojjo6612 dw we will get electrumite next surely…
You can’t summon vortex in Dracoslayer if you play it pure. And vortex is technically also a generic ED and based on that reasoning should be banned
@@kekri._. wait, you just need like 4 odd-eyes cards in the deck and Sky iris to make vortex in dracoslayer... And being honest, vortex Is a fusion monster that requires a pendulum monster, it's more hard to summon than a generico synchro monster
Stevie being rude and stupid as always
still sad that he was the YGO representative for the first Rarran collabs - guess we deserved that
That’s the typical floodgate advocate for ya. Incredibly annoying while thinking they have all the answers to the game while doing everything in their power to not actually play the game.
Those who want misc or maxx c to 3 just play master duel
0:44 ya know what can play through both and it's something people who are struggling to find a second brainless only play, Ritual beast babey best deck.
Does the card you want to ban rhymes with nash bottoms?
Where the black screen at though
Now that baronne is gone, shs link 1 should be unbanned
How do branded players make shaddoll players complaints from previous banlists seem reasonable?
Bruh ban Apolla combo decks; “this is all I got”
As a former branded player, I sympathize with that last lad. I can hear the pain in his voice of finding out that even branded lost cant save him from Ash.
The people saying F.A. Poplar/Circular are insanely based for that. Make F.A. strong Konami please. I wanna go vroom
I agree, ban ash blossom. I don't play branded btw. I play gizmech orochi serpentron sky slasher, eater of millions, and speedroid timelords and crooked cook on occasion. I play rogue
I don´t know whats´s worse, the takes or the audio quality of some people ...
here is my pitch (which might raise some pitchforks but anyway):
1. Every boss monster except vanillas(BEWD, REBD, SkullServant etc) are limited to 1 with the exeption that a character has been shown having multiple of that boss in the anime/manga.
2. Lvl 5 vanilla monsters (including Geminis) can be normal summoned without tribute.
Lvl 6 still requires 1 tribute as usual and Lvl 7 and 8 are unaffected.
Define boss monster.
@@dudono1744 Boss monster as in the monster(s) that a deck focuses on summoning as the end-goal deck strategy or at least considered viable for end-game (synchro, xyz, pend and link included).
Mainly archetype flagship cards (except vanilla because vanilla) that has high-ATK/DEF but also effects like capable of blowing out your opponent’s field and/or hard to remove from the field due to their defensive effects like invulnerability to destruction or targeting etc.
The video is up again!
Non-biased player opinion here!!
Konami should implement a mechanich that only one card in the game can be played at 5 copies, which should be branded fusion. Also, since i'm already giving free ideas, branded fusion should NOT have once per turn. Thank you for your time.
Take 2 :)
Spright can play around nibiru and shifter and isn’t cringe like floo
I get the anger for Protos coming back and the pointlessness of the semi-limited side. For the rest tho, I say this in the nicest way possible: Cry about it.
I personally want ocg and tcg to be 1 again. This is 2024 make all release worldwide that way we have an actual 1 format worlds. All they need to do is delay ocg release and let tcg catchup, then make a unified banlist and unified release. If pokemon can do it , why not ygo
Savage could've stayed as it activities to equip a link from grave to gain the negate effect. So theres a window to negate or destroy it before it gets a the negate
I choose you, Crystal Maxx C!!
List is fine I like it a lot personally
Farfa looking like MTR these days.
Come on man
I just want Toadally Awesome for my shark deck😢
Where black screen?🥶
@neshy 6:35 this you?
My channel is literally dedicated to Dracoslayer end boards😂
I look forward to baron being banned in md
Lol.. I'm on Schmidt's side, protos is doing nothing, Colossus is doing nothing lol
Let´s shorten the Extra Deck size, to like 10 or if we take Pot of Ex in consideration to 6. That way people need to think what Cards they put in it.
Being honest borrel savage isn't wasn't a problem card at all... It doesn't even cover ninbiru since you need to summon a link first, they should've ban Apollousa and masquereena bit guess who's playing that shit now? Snake-eyes... Just let me die...
Rikka beats Shifter and Nibiru
Yugioh community hates everything that has to be related with Yugioh :v
Labrynth needs more hits. It's stupid that the deck has no hits, the baby hits in Master Duel DO NOT COUNT!!! Also Runick Fountain should be banned. Skill Drain, needs banned. Appo needs banned.
Ash blossom to 20
Bring back True King of All Calamities 👀
you madman
Lunatic lol
Should also unban Shock Master then :)
Downright Dastardly individual
Yeah not with Rescue Ace still there or there abouts.
HOT TAKE: side deck should be removed from the game
it's just being used as an inventory to floodgate your opponent next turn.
tiaraments strongest
I hate this banlist (profile pic unrelated) because banning these generic boss monsters just widens the gap between new and old decks because new decks are now designed with nibiru, board breakers, and other hand traps in mind. (e.g. set from deck, floating effects, gigantic spright lock) while old decks needed these generic cards to patch holes left by the fact that konami can't reasonably print support for every deck in existence. These generic bosses gave things to do to decks that originally had no win condition. The banning of baronne also turns nibiru into a tool meta decks to punch downwards with since they still have ways to play around it while many untiered decks lost one of their few rays of hope.
Finally someone speaking my language
Eh, couldn't it be said that it also made already top tier decks even better tho?
The top decks will still use your generic boss monsters better than you and more efficiently and faster than you period.
@@gravekeepersven82 Outside of Snake Eyes there wasn't any meta decks constantly summoning Barrone or savage before the banlist
@Honest_Mids_Masher Because everyone had their own style. However Snake eyes and Fire Kings were future designed to be crazy consistent. Barronne and Borrel Savage were eventually going to get banned at some point just like Mystic Mine did along with Chaos Dragon. Each one lasted 3 years before they got the permanent ban hammer treatment.
If it wasn't fire kings/ snake eyes that were going to break the generic bosses it was going to be Atlantean X Mermail or the water Tri-Type.
Konami clearly wants to reboot all 2010 structure decks and Atlanteans I think was before or after fire kings.
Heck the animation chronicle promo showed fire kings fighting atlanteans.
TCG: *bans baronne and savage*
Branded, tearlaments, kash, purrely, runick, lab, snake eyes, practically every meta relevant deck of the last three years except superheavy and dlink: ok cool
Clown format
Gets even funnier because pure Snake Eyes got 1st place in YCS Raleigh lmao.
baronne was played in tear, kash, all non stun runick, pure snake eye.
@@alexc3231 Tear is irrelevant at this point, Kash was even less relevant pre snake eyes and Barrone is soo inconsistent to make, pure snake eyes won a YCS without them so the bans really did nothing and Runick decks are mainly rogue.
Literally if snake eyes got properly hit there would be zero actual meta decks running Barrone or savage
We already have 1 card FTK combos, we need more Shifters to stop them
BAN ASH BAN ASH BAN ASH
Ash should be banned tho (not for branded tho mainly so I can play suship with out fear of being ashed)
Hasn’t Albaz suffered enough? Why must we continue to-🌸[comment removed by moderators]🦶
Stevie can spit straight fax, but as a branded player, that won’t change me from hating stun.
Ban ash blossom please the last one pure branded player 😂😂
Farfa doesn't want ash banned? Fine!
Let's make it a rule so that every deck has to play 3 ash, and that they start in your opening hand.
So it becomes "who is the best level 3 fire zombie tuner abuser ?"
I agree with ash blossom bans
Ok, but ban Nib first
Shang-Ira needs to go.
You know what rule they could implement that wouldn't destroy the game but absolutely would send shockwaves through it?
Implement a rule saying you can only summon a maximum of 5 times until your next turn.
Just play goat format
Just play nib
So basically kill 90% of decks and 95% anime ones?
So 5 summons on the opponents turn, between your end phase and your draw phase?
@@monkeyismadd1825 I was thinking 5 summons total from your current turn until the start of your next turn.
I know this would disrupt a massive amount of decks since the game seems to be focused on summon and extradeck spam.
Put Kashtira Arise-Heart at 3🗿
Konami, if you give me Baronne back, I will have absolutely no problem with you unbanning Kitkalos. Do you know how hard it is for me to say this?
cap
What deck beats shifter and nib?
MAH DINO BOYS!
"They banned the only viable boss monsters!!" if your deck relied on summoning an obnoxious omni-negate to make it "viable", it was never that "viable" to begin with. Find a different generic level 10, Link-4, rank-x, game's full of 'em.
Run a secondary archetype's engine that can get you one of their boss monsters, find different synergies, use your brain.
@@somewhatomegabut I want to play my comfy comfort deck that makes me feel comfortable!!!We have Cloudian level duelists out here!!!!
Funny that this logic could apply to like.. fuckin Snake Eyes
@@Saixjacket i think various streamers have mentioned this before, but everyone in the hobby is so obsessed with their deck being able to "win" that they will actively, to the detriment of themselves and everyone else playing the game, oppose changes for the health of the game, and it's just sad.
yugioh desperately needs more casual formats that don't drive people to make arguments like "Baronne de Fleur and Savage Dragon are healthy for the game because, uh, they stop Nibiru."
@@somewhatomega hard agree!!!! My buddy is currently doing this, and he is 100% aware of the fact that he is. He’s making tons said arguments for Baronne right now… and I’m not anti Baronne, but the card was basically doing this thing where matches, regardless of the decks being played were turning into a “who manages the Baronne the best”.
It’s like verte anaconda, the card so obviously prohibited game design, it was inevitably going to devolve into “every deck plays this to make this monster, but the top decks are doing it too”. And it did, and it’s going to stay banned 🤣