I have no wobble with my '24 WF, but I don't ride without having my hands on the handlebars. I'm too damn old to do that kinda stuff anymore, 😆. I don't heal as fast as I used to. Thanks for the video and sharing your experiences with this great ebike. I enjoy watching all of your videos, very informative. Btw, it's 95 degrees in southern Pa. today, can't imagine what the 100's feel like.
I have enjoyed riding my new Wired freedom and have experienced no wobble. Both of the batteries are installed and I have a heavy kryptonite lock in the bag in the back on top of the battery along with other tools. I am a 185 pound rider and have push the speed up to the max several times logging 50 miles or so. I might add the tires are inflated to 18 psi. I do appreciate your video and will certainly keep an eye out for the death wobble.
I have one of the updated models. The wobble is real, but it far from breaks this bike - it's easily prevented, corrected, and dampened by just keeping your hands on the grips/bars; a very basic safety measure and practice. The wobble seems to be caused by the dense weight of the rear battery transmitting a cadence through the frame to the front wheel via the leverage of the cargo rack. With the rear battery removed the phenomenon is absent. So if/when hands-free riding is a priority for you, then you just don't use the rear battery - which is a no cost addition. :)
Thank you for this video, im going to order mine for my 50th birthday in September, and going to go through it very thoroughly just like my old dirt bikes. Stay safe!
@williamwiese9963 right on! If you wouldn't mind using the link, in the video description, I'd really appreciate it as it really helps out this channel!!
If you can I would order it now because of the back orders on the bike plus if the tariffs that are coming could increase the price. I ordered mine on June 11th 2024 and will receive it on August 15th 2024. Yep still waiting. But worth the waiting. 😊
Sir, you are not thinking correctly if after watching the rear end shake like that, you will proceed with purchasing a bike from wired. Hey, it's your life.
Appreciate you addressing this issue , I have a 2023 wired freedom and added a 25ah(12lbs) battery to the original rack which after only 2-3 days broke and which wired quickly shipped out a stronger rack . I had also added one support rod from amother rack to each side and switched out those support rods that are bolted right behind the rear suspension that are attached to the rack . I found that even with all the added support the rear of my bike seemed a little too heavy . I never got any serious wobble and I hope after purchasing the 2024.5 version that I don't with that one either . I did see a video I think last year where some guy said that he was an engineer of some sort and that the bike had a suspension defect . I truly believe that either Mr. Cleveland(owner 5 star cells) had something to do with this spread of a wobble or one of his crew .
Last sentence is 100% accurate. I used to like both companies but using smear campaigns using your influencers is desperate and shows exactly what kind of outfit they run, regardless what they say. Words are cheap, which ecells has alot of, whereas Wired just does the work, upgrades the bikes, ahead of the curve, setting the tone, all without upping the price (yet). I think that scares ecells! They were supposed to be the ebike veteran company but they neglected this market segment for too long, Wired grabbed it up and now the dirty tactics come, hiding behind the false vail of 'safety'... Id love to see the hard data on just how many deaths have resulted from the 'death wobble'. How sad and pathetic but it is the bad side of human nature! It is what it is, IF ONLY PEOPLE COULD SEE THROUGH IT?!?!
I have a 5 star with single battery setup. No wobble or really any stability issues for me. Can ride no hands for long distances perfectly straight and stable. Excellent bike! Only thing I would improve is add a clutched derailleur group set.
The only problem, is that E cells is backorder for they don't know how long, I spoke to them a couple of days ago. Interesting how you can get a wired Freedom Bike though, and they do have it in stock. That tells you something, Savvy customers know what they want and they will wait to get it
My 24 has been solid and I have been riding it through some pretty aggressive trails in the woods. Rocks, stumps, and hills. I have also talked with Dan many times and what I have noticed about him is he does not know many details about the bike which he should know inside and out.. I think they are just pushing the bike and do not want to back it up... The girl who answers the phone is difficult to deal with... I'm not surprised there are problems and that Wired will not put their customers first.
Yes i asked if they would pay for return shipping if mine arrives with a wobble. They said just tighten the bolts. I said it shouldnt come from factory that way. They would not g Guarantee it wouldnt wobble or pay for return shipping. So I cancelled and ordered a different bike.
Got mine last week. The first time i felt the wobble i was going uphill on a curve at about 15 mph. I hit a pothole in a slight bank and it went into wobble mode. Now im scared to use the bikes speed. what if it happens at 40 mph. will i be able to get it under control or ???
I've put almost 3000 miles on my 2024 freedom since February. After a few months I noticed a slight wobble. I tightened all the suspension bolts and it went away. You have to maintain your bike and inspect it occasionally before you ride. Understand that it is made on an assembly line in China and it is not QC'd in the USA before you get it. It is up to you. I have never felt unsafe on my Freedom, and I put it through hell.
Yes, I feel the wobble when I take off from a stop. I keep my hands on the bars so it doesn't go crazy. But, Yes, there is a wobble. I was just going to try a test without the rear battery like CitizenCycle said but the rear shock collapsed and am waiting for them to call me back about it. Again, i feel the wobble with both hands on the handlebars.
note to self.. keep your hands on the handlebars... hardtails have less issues with this, nature of the beast at this price point. thanks for your perspective.
I’ve a 24 Freedom with NO rear battery pack that wobbles when ridden free hands. I do have MTB handlebars that replaced the BMX. Quick Release is tight. I’ve tried shifting my weight fore and aft with no effect. My wobble is progressive and will not stop unless I grab the handlebar. I’ll try tightening the stem, but know rear battery or not the wobble is there if hands free and requires nothing to set it off.
Ive had this issue but not at 15 mph more like 25 or above which can get challenging,im going to have a look at my tire pressures,then go from there. I own the single battery bike,like the one in the video.
Just got my new 2024 with double battery and it does wobble and like you said it seems to self correct. I spent some time checking tightening all the connections. Front fork tube suspension has movement and not as tight as it could be. The tires are new, inflated to 30lbs with those small rubber tags which will wear off eventually. There was a fair amount of noise, clinking and clanking. I removed the front fender since I don't plan to ride in the wet. That helped. Also shimmed the back battery in is holder to eliminate any vibrational movement that was making noise. I spent a fair amount of time bouncing the front and back end to help locate any other loose components. Derailers are always loose and noisy by design. Just the nature of a chain driven transmission. Live with it. So... I'm thinking the big tires have a lot to do with the wobble at a certain speed. That's a lot of rotational mass and weird geometry that may not be very well balanced. I am hoping the tires will wear in after a time. I also like your idea of checking the stem bolt, but hard to imagine it would have left the factory not tightened to spec. Thanks for your post. Very timely.
It's the added weight on the rear. Happens to a lot of bikes including motorcycles. Motorcycles have steering dampers to deal with this, its a known and very common problem. Has been for a very long time, and the solution (steering dampers) have been around for just about as long.
The largest amount of wobble is caused from the rear battery. Also a heavier rider will put the center of mass even further back. It is the second battery in the back + heavy rider on a very tall bike that causes the issue.
I have both a Wired cruiser and an ecells 5 star. Wired cruiser does have more flex in the frame and did have a handlebar wobble at 15+ speeds initially. I sorted out the speed wobble on the Wired bike with tightening all bolts and adding a front bag. Still really flexy bike. The 5 star is solid, no flex, no wobbles and feels like a more substantial bike overall, not sure exactly why but the Ecells is a more solid and substantial feeling bike. I can only comment from my personal experience and the ecells is definitely a higher quality build.
Wired confirmed with me today that they have installed the Hellbender Visco 70 (stabilizer) for free on all new 2024 Crusier+ model orders. This install includes my order on the Crusier+ in May which should arrive late this month. Wired stated this should eliminate any wobbling or death wobble of the handlebars.
Well…I don’t know why I didn’t try this before but I can confirm that the wobble is pretty much completely resolved by removing the rear battery. I cannot get the wobble even if I try now. Hopefully that means a solution is possible.
I have to ask, is your linkage missing a thru-bolt and bushing? Looks like you have three out of four? (If you look at their website picture it clearly shows all 4 bolts on the linkage)
@TunaSoda I just checked, and you are correct....there are only 3 bolts but 4 holes. Not sure if that is an adjustable part of the linkage to accommodate a smaller or larger shock, but it seems like it should have a bolt in there for sure! Thank you for pointing this out.
@TunaSoda I looked at previous images from people's single battery version like mine on UA-cam and they all only have 3 bolts....I wonder if they added the 4th bolt to the new version to try to make it more solid?
I have an early 2024 and never experienced the wobble. I recently added a 35Ah rear battery. I got the wobble when I let go of handle bars. I grabbed bars and couldn't feel it. Let go, and it reoccurred. Finished my ride with at least one hand on bars without reoccurrence. I don't think it's a real concern for me, but people saying it doesn't happen at all are not correct. By the way, I didn't have to hit the bar to induce wobble.
❤Would love to get one too, but I spoke to the LADY at Ecells (I wish they could Rebrand that name, it's just so generic and ugly) the other day, and they have them on backorder. I asked her how long is the back order and they don't even know when they are getting them in. At least she was honest with me. And then I emailed wired, and they told me that they DO have them in stock and it's ready to ship out. Makes you wonder why. The Savvy consumer will not purchase the wired Freedom bike. That is, unless you're not a Savvy consumer. Most people are totally clueless and are in denial about the Wired freedom POS until a catastrophic failure occurs. I'm waiting until Ecells has them in stock before ordering.. With the massive Financial economic collapse that is going to take the World by storm, I would never pre-order a bike and then wait on it. With the volatile market and what is about to happen, they could easily go bankrupt overnight, and your out 2k
I have street tires on mine and with no knobbies my ride has been totally balanced , couldn't ride no handed with knobbies but can with street tires even though I don't do it often .
Which street tires did you go with? If ecells stays afloat during the huge World economic collapse that is going to happen, then I may order the bike from them. And that's one of the first mods that I would do, is replace those ugly knobby tires with street tires
I have the 24.1 Freedom and love it. If I take my hands off the wheel WITH my spare battery on the back it will definitely wobble. With no weight on the back I can take my hands off the handlebars no problem. So adding the weight to the back on the NEW Wired bikes are inducing the same issue that happens on my 24.1. I’m not sure that it’s defect because it only happens with hands off the bars no matter if there is weight or not. Kinda like complaining how my car drifts to one side with my hands off the wheel. So when I haul my second battery I keep my hands on the bars.
A defect is a defect. What happens when you have a defect in a car? There's a recall, right? This is why there are no Chinese made cars here in the United states. Pure junk people are wasting $2,000 on
@@leetjohnson Yeah because it seems like it's heavier in that spot. So it would have to be balanced just like a car wheel does in order to correct the problem but idk if he did or replace the rim with a better quality one.
😮 Dude! Ask for your money back. A 2k bike should not shake so loose in the back end like that. That shows subpar quality brother. How you can accept that as a consumer is beyond me. Thank you for your video. This is the second time I see the back end put together so loosely and inaccurately that it looks like it's about to fall apart. I would proceed with extreme caution on that bike sir... It looks like a catastrophic failure is likely in the future. I can't even imagine such a catastrophic failure of the rear end suspension linkage while doing 30mph. I see a class action lawsuit in the proceeding months. No exaggeration here.
@firstinlastout honestly, I have never had an issue with it in the last year of ownership, it only does this if I take my hands off and slap the handlebars while riding. The rear end hasn't caused any wobble or issues while riding. I will update the channel if I ever have any issues with it!
I may try that for another video when I have my camera chest mounted, rather than in my hand, for safety, in case I need to grab the handlebars with both hands.
one thing i can say is the sound that the rear battery makes when shaking the bike is from the plastic attachment rail and the rear battery together, not from banging into the rear metal frame. if you look directly above the rear bike rack, there is a plastic guided rail track where the rear battery is supposed to be slid into place. there is some degree of tolerance / looseness in fitment there. when the battery is slid into place and connected, whoever designed that, did not have a way to lock the rear portion of the rear battery into place closer to the tail light. so you have the front of the rear battery connected physically and to make an electric connection, but the very end with the tail light is not secured tightly into anything. if they were to re-design this plastic piece so that the rear somehow clicks into place or added some sort of friction, or made the track wider by a few millimeters so there is no play, that would prevent the battery from acting like a wagging tail of a dog if it begins oscillating side to side,
one way to check for this is to partially slide the rear battery halfway through the rail and then move it side to side. that is the same noise probably heard when the rear battery is fully in and you move that side to side or move the entire bike side to side. that rail prevents it from hitting the metal rack but the rail have some sideways give to it.
@iblackfeathers I have the same issue with my front battery. Most people don't seem to have that issue on theirs, but on mine, it rattles around a tiny bit. Thank you for sharing your experience, it helps everyone and hopefully makes it back to Wired to make the bike even better.
@@leetjohnson i just tried an experiment. two layers of vhb tape on either side of the plastic rail.. it didn’t help. but what i figured out in the process is the width of the rail could be more of the issue that the height of the rail… so i took two black rubber bands and placed then at the front of the rail right where the battery begins to slide in... and after the two screws or bolts there. the battery is a bit harder to slide in if you put more than two rubber bands, but it provided just the right amount of friction to keep the rear battery from wiggling around… i have yet to test out wobble because my tanus armours are coming in tomorrow… and i’ve got work this week, so cannot test. but it is possible that as far as the rear batteries go, two small rubber bands on the plastic rail may be the trick or workaround to stop the rattling. again, i can’t say anything about the wobble. someone else may need to confirm.
@@leetjohnsonI just tested the bike and it does wobble with both batteries in place and the rubberbands and tires at 22psi right out of the box. the rubberbands only help with some of the rattle pertaining to shaking it sideways when parked as demonstrated in other videos. with citizen cycle's recent wobble video he must live in the suburbs with perfectly leveled roads without any warping because the bike wobbles below and above 20mph brought on by normal road imperfections. i will have to test without the rear battery at a later time. but i don't trust this bike if i was moving at any speed and with a single hand. sometimes you have to take a hand away for reasons like removing a bug from your face that having your hands glued to the handlebars isn't practical.
Folding bikes with those 4" balloon knobbies and that folding frame are horrible. Like my Lectric XPremium. I like it but it feels like a wet noodle. Not really sure if its the frame or the tires. I have a 4x20 Fucare Scorpio with a trellis style fixed frame and non balloon type tires that I run 30 psi. It is so solid and smooth its amazing. The lack of rolling resistance with those tires makes it very easy to pedal without any assistance on
@tenncutt Interesting, thanks for sharing! I have noticed the same on my previous rigid bikes too...much more solid and smooth. I guess it just comes with the territory of the full suspension and big tires/wheels.
My 2024 Freedom was ordered in APR & was due to ship at end May, then postponed for the bonuses till end June. When it showed up the UPS man asked me to help get off truck its so heavy. The top of the box was ripped off from middle to 1 end with many holes along sides. It looked like a bear attacked it. When I opened it up I immediately saw many scratches in paint. I was bout to put together when I noticed no tool for handlebars or manual to put this together. So I went on their chat help & in the end it came missing manuals, tool,2nd battery charger, touch up paint, headlight, & PEDALS... so they send me the accessory box which took 4 days (mind you I took my vaca from work for the day of the delivery) & its missing the touch up paint. From this point on the Wired customer service chat was unhelpful & rude. I asked them how the batteries work is it frame batt till drained then rear kicks in? & they said it was a 'blendid' function that draws off both... So I told them that i purposely drained my batt to 60% on display & when went to charge both only the rear was at 60% while frame batt was 100%, so its not blending.... I like to pedal so I turn the motor options off (set to 0) & quickly found out that gears 1-6 make the chain skip on every rotation... They told me to take it to a bike shop for a derailer adjustment or watch a youtube vid on how do it myself...2400.00+shipping & this is the product I got & customer service to go with it FUCK WIRED
Ceo of wired is telling customers to fix it themselves but everyone is focusing on ecells ceo? You guys need to get your priorities in order. Good lord
I purchased a bike from E-cells and I will tell you that dealing with that company is a nightmare. I would never buy a single thing from them again! Get sent a broken bike and then get lied to for two weeks until you find parts and fix it yourself, then they delete questions off their Facebook group constantly from anyone who raises a question. These are facts! I enjoy my bike but never again from that company.
I mean just in passing in the youtube comments he does seem like he needs to step back and just let the bike to the talking and be there to support and fix it. I will still probably get an ecell over the wired personally, but I think we can all be honest and say sometimes, the way he sort of gets too much into his feelings or the "energy" he comes to people with is awkward and sorta off putting... I have seen some very inventive and talented people lose a ton of business to competitors of worse products because they don't know how to conduct themselves online when they run a business. Sometimes they may simply not care... but I do think he cares a great deal. I just wish he would be a bit more chill and thick skinned ya know? He needs PR to handle his online accounts. Then this would not even be a discussion.
The guy that runs Wired ebikes (Steven) is pathetic. Instead of resolving complaints, he emails you with sarcastic replies, and the dood struggles with reading comprehension. Horrible representation of a failing company. Don't expect support from Steven if you have problems with the cheap Chinese product or long delayed shipping. Don't make the same mistake I did. Buy e cells 5 star or some other quality e bike instead of Wired Freedom. They don't deserve your patronage and hard earned money. Very poor communication from Steven and his side chick who makes nothing but lame excuses. 👎🏿👎🏿💸
IMO the wobble is indicative of a design flaw...a weakness in a critical stress point that has the potential to fail when load threshold is exceeded. I would hate for that to happen at high speed in traffic or on high mountain cliffside trail; people can really get hurt or worse. This is recall territory.
I installed the Hellbender VESCO 70 headset supplied by WIRED............and also perform routine maintenance at least once a week on my 2024+ ... ( especially ) including checking and retorquing any fastener that may need it. Any wobble that I experienced has been corrected and averted. BTW most full suspension e bikes that have a 4 point hookup on the rear suspension have some shake......I LOL when I hear somebody say......oh it's a death trap and will kill you....."some folks" just ride the crap out of these bikes and put them up, barely doing any maintenance at all.....maybe just because..... Take care of your bike, have fun and be safe...........BTW 99.5% of all e bike frames, components, batteries, tires, electrical, you name it, is mfg. and assembled by the same 1/2 doz. chosen bike factories in Taiwan. Then cargo boxed up and shipped, to be purchased by you and me..........Luck of the draw, I suppose.
I have about 200 miles on the new dual battery version. The frame has flex in it no doubt. If I take my hands off the handlebars it will start wobbling on its own at about 12 mph without me starting the shake and it gets worse - no self correcting. I’ve tightened everything down, increased tire psi, etc. The bike is still a blast and won’t wobble if you keep one hand on the handlebars, but you can feel some flex if you’re at speed and make a sudden movement, so you just have to be deliberate when looking over your shoulder for traffic for instance.
I think these videos started with someone who was mad at the company. And blew it out of proportions out of revenge. I mean, unless you're going to ride.No handed and purposely make it start wobbling from shifting your weight wrong.I wouldn't worry about it😂 I mean, people's examples of this is them purposely making it shake.It's ridiculous
@corywebb5537 it seems to be a bigger issue with the new dual battery version more than the single battery version like I have now.....at least that's what I've heard.
It's not just that, look at the author's video, look how the rear end is completely loose. This is going to lead to a catastrophic failure! But people are in denial, they don't want to admit that they wasted $2,000
So you ordered the Gen 2 Wired Freedom? Were you able to get some kind of credit being a loyal customer with Gen 1? I find it disappointing that the Gen 1 was around as of January 2024 and then the Gen 2 was released 6 months later. This makes me feel as that by buying Gen 1, we participated in a beta program. One thing that was learned was that the enclosed controller is subject to overheating on extended steep climbs... and this has interfered with long group e-bike rides I have done. I have periodically been checking Wired's website to see if there is a customer loyalty program to upgrade a Gen 1 to a Gen 2 and I have not seen anything. I think offering the Gen 2 Display, Controller, and an attachment kit would be all it takes as the hub motor appears to be the same one. I do give credit to Wired because with respect to technical support, the owner has always been very responsive and this demonstrates he does care for his customers.... I just wish current customers would get some kind of break.
My WF+ has death wobble the instant i take my hands off the bars. No hitting, no bumps, straight and level ride. It feels a little squirrely in normal operation.
@meatrobot interesting! I heard Wired is adding a steering stabilizer to the new models now. Maybe give them a call, and they might send you one for free.
Just looked at both e-cell and the wired rear suspension and it looks like putting a screw with a spacer in the hole in the front of the suspension arm would help with the problem on the wired freedom
I have one of the new wired freedoms and can confirm that the death wobble is pretty serious. I made a quick video just to show everyone what it looks like. Hope it helps show that it needs to be fixed.
You just have to bump the end of either handlebar end and the front end will start to wobble. Reproducible at will. I have the original 2024. It’s always been there from day 1.
Been riding motorcycles for 60 years, race bikes at 180 mph. It’s a gyroscopic effect with many variables. From bumps in the road, to holding bars too tight to upsetting the bike, front tire issues, added weight distribution etc. Even bikes with steering stabilizers still do it. Half the time though it’s driver error! I have the 2024 wired and if you shake it like you do there is some flex. None when driving at speed even pedaling at 42 mph
So no hate directed towards anyone just want to share my experience. Just got done riding 30 miles with my E-cells Five Star base model. I went down the local canyon and hit up some roads as well. On the level straights I did some no handlebar riding and had zero wobble. I just went and tried shaking my bike the same way you did and it did not flex a single inch. I don't have the second back battery though. I think its crazy that the manufacturer would sell bikes to customers with this issue. And hearing people say "oh just keep your hands on the handlebars" is crazy to me as well. As consumers you have to demand more of the companies you buy stuff from. I was about to buy a wired freedom and they were out of stock so I got the E-cells. Glad I did. I will be telling everyone I know to avoid Wired until they fix this issue. I cannot in good conscience recommend the Wired Freedom to anyone knowing they have this issues, not when E-cells sells the same bike without this problem.
E cells five star is also prone to wobble and they have not even shipped any dual battery bikes yet so who knows how bad it will be. Wired says the first couple of shipments didn’t have proper torque to the headset of some bikes so let’s see if later batches have any issues. Kinda of tricky to properly DIY the headset if you’ve never done it before. I do think Wired should copy e cells rack, it looks to be more sturdy and better attached. I think e cells may be getting ahead of their own problems in classic slime ball fashion. First it was Wired was making so much money, then it was the controller was overheating, then the frame was defective, then the UL certification was BS, then the new contoller was too small and must be crap, then Hengtai won’t warranty Wired’s motors, now it’s the death wobble. What a complete POS a pathetic loser that he acts this way. F rating from the BBB and prison term are probably well deserved from what I’ve seen of Cleveland.
Five star prone to wobble???? What proof do you have? Nobody has any problems with their five stars. Nice try though. I’ll tell you who’s a pos, wired ceo telling the customers to fix it themselves. Complete pos
At least four or five people have mentioned the e cell wobble on their Facebook page. I assume they are still there although Cleveland likes to sanitize everything. How’s that e cell torque sensor working out? How’s the gates belt drive? What’s the price of the dual star now? How about giving up 1000 watts to the Wired bikes. Cleveland is an unethical felon and pathological liar with an inferior overpriced and underpowered bike by comparison.
Thank god I didn’t buy wired seen multiple videos like this n it’s confirmed wire has a safety / frame issue n if you bought this bike im so sorry 🤣 it’s like buying a mustang with loose nuts on your axel no thank you won’t be busting my ass on these wired freedoms 🤣
@gabrielcortez3053 I have the older single battery version, haven't had any issues while riding. The new ones seem to have a bad wobble....apparently Wired is now selling them with a steering stabilizer.
I think you're reaching too much think about it this company kept the same price and added more things Seems like junk in my opinion I think the East sells five star is way more quality
@@leetjohnson reaching for an excuse that the bike is good 👍 it's just my opinion after trying both bikes To each their own my friend Be safe in the heat
@gmaster716 Thanks! I feel like both bikes are great, no bike is perfect, they will always have their drawbacks. I think much of it comes down to personal preference and manufacturing quirks, much like cars. Have a great day!
@@leetjohnson totally agree for minor hiccups, but we're talking about a death wobble!!! Which could be a serious game changer 😛 Keep posting the great videos👍
I have no wobble with my '24 WF, but I don't ride without having my hands on the handlebars. I'm too damn old to do that kinda stuff anymore, 😆. I don't heal as fast as I used to. Thanks for the video and sharing your experiences with this great ebike. I enjoy watching all of your videos, very informative. Btw, it's 95 degrees in southern Pa. today, can't imagine what the 100's feel like.
@Johnz71 right on! Yeah, it's been brutal the last few days at 110 to 115 degrees! Luckily, the humidity is fairly low.
I have enjoyed riding my new Wired freedom and have experienced no wobble. Both of the batteries are installed and I have a heavy kryptonite lock in the bag in the back on top of the battery along with other tools. I am a 185 pound rider and have push the speed up to the max several times logging 50 miles or so.
I might add the tires are inflated to 18 psi.
I do appreciate your video and will certainly keep an eye out for the death wobble.
@@bikermike4364 Awesome! Thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate it!!
Can you tell me what you did to get rid of the wobble? Cheers.
I have one of the updated models. The wobble is real, but it far from breaks this bike - it's easily prevented, corrected, and dampened by just keeping your hands on the grips/bars; a very basic safety measure and practice.
The wobble seems to be caused by the dense weight of the rear battery transmitting a cadence through the frame to the front wheel via the leverage of the cargo rack. With the rear battery removed the phenomenon is absent.
So if/when hands-free riding is a priority for you, then you just don't use the rear battery - which is a no cost addition. :)
@daniellarusso8012 Thank you for sharing your experience! I really appreciate it!
What about the back end looking like it's about to fall apart in a catastrophic failure.?
Thank you for this video, im going to order mine for my 50th birthday in September, and going to go through it very thoroughly just like my old dirt bikes. Stay safe!
@williamwiese9963 right on! If you wouldn't mind using the link, in the video description, I'd really appreciate it as it really helps out this channel!!
If you can I would order it now because of the back orders on the bike plus if the tariffs that are coming could increase the price. I ordered mine on June 11th 2024 and will receive it on August 15th 2024. Yep still waiting. But worth the waiting. 😊
Sir, you are not thinking correctly if after watching the rear end shake like that, you will proceed with purchasing a bike from wired. Hey, it's your life.
Appreciate you addressing this issue , I have a 2023 wired freedom and added a 25ah(12lbs) battery to the original rack which after only 2-3 days broke and which wired quickly shipped out a stronger rack . I had also added one support rod from amother rack to each side and switched
out those support rods that are bolted right behind the rear suspension that are attached to the rack . I found that even with all the added support the rear of my bike seemed a little too heavy . I never got any serious wobble and I hope after purchasing the 2024.5 version that I don't with that one either . I did see a video I think last year where some guy said that he was an engineer of some sort and that the bike had a suspension defect . I truly believe that either Mr. Cleveland(owner 5 star cells) had something to do with this spread of a wobble or one of his crew .
@@jojodancer1961 Thank you for sharing your experience!
Last sentence is 100% accurate. I used to like both companies but using smear campaigns using your influencers is desperate and shows exactly what kind of outfit they run, regardless what they say. Words are cheap, which ecells has alot of, whereas Wired just does the work, upgrades the bikes, ahead of the curve, setting the tone, all without upping the price (yet). I think that scares ecells! They were supposed to be the ebike veteran company but they neglected this market segment for too long, Wired grabbed it up and now the dirty tactics come, hiding behind the false vail of 'safety'... Id love to see the hard data on just how many deaths have resulted from the 'death wobble'. How sad and pathetic but it is the bad side of human nature! It is what it is, IF ONLY PEOPLE COULD SEE THROUGH IT?!?!
really appreciate your channel and the comments on this......have a great day
@@observerobserver797 Thank you!!! Have a great day as well!
I have a 5 star with single battery setup. No wobble or really any stability issues for me. Can ride no hands for long distances perfectly straight and stable. Excellent bike! Only thing I would improve is add a clutched derailleur group set.
@@TronDaPhenomenon Awesome, I agree!
The only problem, is that E cells is backorder for they don't know how long, I spoke to them a couple of days ago. Interesting how you can get a wired Freedom Bike though, and they do have it in stock. That tells you something, Savvy customers know what they want and they will wait to get it
I will finally be riding my wired freedom this afternoon! Can’t wait to use it despite the issues people have been having with the wobble!
@@CNclov2005 Let me know how it goes!!!
Well like the wired ceo said go fix it yourself 🤣
@@leetjohnson ok
My 24 has been solid and I have been riding it through some pretty aggressive trails in the woods. Rocks, stumps, and hills. I have also talked with Dan many times and what I have noticed about him is he does not know many details about the bike which he should know inside and out.. I think they are just pushing the bike and do not want to back it up... The girl who answers the phone is difficult to deal with... I'm not surprised there are problems and that Wired will not put their customers first.
Yes i asked if they would pay for return shipping if mine arrives with a wobble. They said just tighten the bolts. I said it shouldnt come from factory that way. They would not g Guarantee it wouldnt wobble or pay for return shipping. So I cancelled and ordered a different bike.
Got mine last week. The first time i felt the wobble i was going uphill on a curve at about 15 mph. I hit a pothole in a slight bank and it went into wobble mode. Now im scared to use the bikes speed. what if it happens at 40 mph. will i be able to get it under control or ???
@golden6625 that is scary! So strange because my older version with the single battery has never done that.
I've put almost 3000 miles on my 2024 freedom since February. After a few months I noticed a slight wobble. I tightened all the suspension bolts and it went away. You have to maintain your bike and inspect it occasionally before you ride. Understand that it is made on an assembly line in China and it is not QC'd in the USA before you get it. It is up to you. I have never felt unsafe on my Freedom, and I put it through hell.
@ishgumi44 I agree, all bolts should be checked and tightened periodically
Not until you have a catastrophic failure. The people inside the Titan submersible sure didn't expect it to implode on them now, did they
Yes, I feel the wobble when I take off from a stop. I keep my hands on the bars so it doesn't go crazy. But, Yes, there is a wobble. I was just going to try a test without the rear battery like CitizenCycle said but the rear shock collapsed and am waiting for them to call me back about it. Again, i feel the wobble with both hands on the handlebars.
@@nunya7065 That's a bummer about the shock! Let me know how it goes with the replacement.
note to self.. keep your hands on the handlebars... hardtails have less issues with this, nature of the beast at this price point. thanks for your perspective.
@@waxeyone I agree 👍
The e bike guy u tube channel puts motorcycle grade steering stableizers on all his builds. One of them goes a 100 miles an hour.
I’ve a 24 Freedom with NO rear battery pack that wobbles when ridden free hands. I do have MTB handlebars that replaced the BMX. Quick Release is tight. I’ve tried shifting my weight fore and aft with no effect. My wobble is progressive and will not stop unless I grab the handlebar. I’ll try tightening the stem, but know rear battery or not the wobble is there if hands free and requires nothing to set it off.
@Doc.Holiday interesting, thank you for sharing this info! Not sure why mine doesn't wobble unless I hit it.
@@leetjohnson ,… there is one other variable I suspect might have something to do with the issue, that being tire inflation.
citizencycle did a nice test on another youtube. The cause is the rear battery weight. amost all bikes do it with weight back there
@golden6625 that's what I thought, thanks for sharing! I'll take a look at the video.
Ive had this issue but not at 15 mph more like 25 or above which can get challenging,im going to have a look at my tire pressures,then go from there.
I own the single battery bike,like the one in the video.
@@nymuscle6691 Thank you for sharing your experience!
Just got my new 2024 with double battery and it does wobble and like you said it seems to self correct. I spent some time checking tightening all the connections. Front fork tube suspension has movement and not as tight as it could be. The tires are new, inflated to 30lbs with those small rubber tags which will wear off eventually. There was a fair amount of noise, clinking and clanking. I removed the front fender since I don't plan to ride in the wet. That helped. Also shimmed the back battery in is holder to eliminate any vibrational movement that was making noise. I spent a fair amount of time bouncing the front and back end to help locate any other loose components. Derailers are always loose and noisy by design. Just the nature of a chain driven transmission. Live with it.
So... I'm thinking the big tires have a lot to do with the wobble at a certain speed. That's a lot of rotational mass and weird geometry that may not be very well balanced. I am hoping the tires will wear in after a time. I also like your idea of checking the stem bolt, but hard to imagine it would have left the factory not tightened to spec.
Thanks for your post. Very timely.
@@dancurran1125 Right on, thanks for taking the time to share your experience, I appreciate it!!
What did you do/use to shim the battery?
Just got one have a little bit of wobble, all good love the bike
It's the added weight on the rear. Happens to a lot of bikes including motorcycles. Motorcycles have steering dampers to deal with this, its a known and very common problem. Has been for a very long time, and the solution (steering dampers) have been around for just about as long.
@@freeze1305 For sure! Dampers would be very helpful.
Its not as bad on the 2024 the 2024+ is the major flaw.
@StayConnectedEV yeah, it seems to be the extra rear battery that really throws off the balance and makes it wobble.
@@leetjohnson Yeah, sadly i see hes recalling some by having you get to agree to a bunch of T&C's which isn't great.
@StayConnectedEV I haven't seen that yet...interesting. Thank you for sharing this info.
The largest amount of wobble is caused from the rear battery. Also a heavier rider will put the center of mass even further back. It is the second battery in the back + heavy rider on a very tall bike that causes the issue.
@@kl3664 I can agree with that logic!
I have both a Wired cruiser and an ecells 5 star. Wired cruiser does have more flex in the frame and did have a handlebar wobble at 15+ speeds initially. I sorted out the speed wobble on the Wired bike with tightening all bolts and adding a front bag. Still really flexy bike. The 5 star is solid, no flex, no wobbles and feels like a more substantial bike overall, not sure exactly why but the Ecells is a more solid and substantial feeling bike. I can only comment from my personal experience and the ecells is definitely a higher quality build.
@@FreakyT333 Interesting!!! Thank you for sharing your perspective, I really appreciate it!
Yup. But the author of this video doesn't seem to really care. Until he has a catastrophic failure. People are so nonchalant these days, it's so sad
Wired confirmed with me today that they have installed the Hellbender Visco 70 (stabilizer) for free on all new 2024 Crusier+ model orders. This install includes my order on the Crusier+ in May which should arrive late this month. Wired stated this should eliminate any wobbling or death wobble of the handlebars.
@@paulketchum6819 Interesting!!!
What about the freedom?
@@brett7740 I’m told that you will be provided one on if asked on the new Freedom + models. Older models IDK 🤷🏻♂️
@@paulketchum6819 I have the new one. Thanks
And you actually trust them?
Well…I don’t know why I didn’t try this before but I can confirm that the wobble is pretty much completely resolved by removing the rear battery. I cannot get the wobble even if I try now. Hopefully that means a solution is possible.
@@stevenpeavler959 interesting! Thank you for sharing this info!!
I also confirm that
I have to ask, is your linkage missing a thru-bolt and bushing? Looks like you have three out of four? (If you look at their website picture it clearly shows all 4 bolts on the linkage)
@@TunaSoda they redesigned the linkage for the new model with dual batteries.
@@leetjohnson From the 24 to 24+ model it remains the same flat plates, they were just thickened as far as I know
@TunaSoda I just checked, and you are correct....there are only 3 bolts but 4 holes. Not sure if that is an adjustable part of the linkage to accommodate a smaller or larger shock, but it seems like it should have a bolt in there for sure! Thank you for pointing this out.
@TunaSoda I looked at previous images from people's single battery version like mine on UA-cam and they all only have 3 bolts....I wonder if they added the 4th bolt to the new version to try to make it more solid?
@@leetjohnson I'm not sure, but it seems like a good idea to have it? lol
I have an early 2024 and never experienced the wobble. I recently added a 35Ah rear battery. I got the wobble when I let go of handle bars. I grabbed bars and couldn't feel it. Let go, and it reoccurred. Finished my ride with at least one hand on bars without reoccurrence.
I don't think it's a real concern for me, but people saying it doesn't happen at all are not correct.
By the way, I didn't have to hit the bar to induce wobble.
They would rather focus on the ecells ceo, rather than the wired ceo who is telling them to fix it themselves 🤣🤣🤣
@apietrantonio117 Interesting!!! 35 ah is huuge!!
@@leetjohnson 23 lbs.
Have the exact same bike and it does have a dead wobble
@@blazblue831 the new dual battery version? Or the older single battery version?
So happy I decided on the Ecells bike. It is solid as a boulder.
@@sunshowerpainting1 Awesome!!
❤Would love to get one too, but I spoke to the LADY at Ecells (I wish they could Rebrand that name, it's just so generic and ugly) the other day, and they have them on backorder. I asked her how long is the back order and they don't even know when they are getting them in. At least she was honest with me. And then I emailed wired, and they told me that they DO have them in stock and it's ready to ship out. Makes you wonder why. The Savvy consumer will not purchase the wired Freedom bike. That is, unless you're not a Savvy consumer. Most people are totally clueless and are in denial about the Wired freedom POS until a catastrophic failure occurs. I'm waiting until Ecells has them in stock before ordering.. With the massive Financial economic collapse that is going to take the World by storm, I would never pre-order a bike and then wait on it. With the volatile market and what is about to happen, they could easily go bankrupt overnight, and your out 2k
@@firstinlastout good thinking.....
I have street tires on mine and with no knobbies my ride has been totally balanced , couldn't ride no handed with knobbies but can with street tires even though I don't do it often .
@@jojodancer1961 Interesting, thank you for sharing this info!!
I will be trying that. Thanks
This is the input i have been looking for! Hell Yes!
My ride much quieter. Smoother now.
Which street tires did you go with? If ecells stays afloat during the huge World economic collapse that is going to happen, then I may order the bike from them. And that's one of the first mods that I would do, is replace those ugly knobby tires with street tires
I have the 24.1 Freedom and love it. If I take my hands off the wheel WITH my spare battery on the back it will definitely wobble. With no weight on the back I can take my hands off the handlebars no problem. So adding the weight to the back on the NEW Wired bikes are inducing the same issue that happens on my 24.1. I’m not sure that it’s defect because it only happens with hands off the bars no matter if there is weight or not. Kinda like complaining how my car drifts to one side with my hands off the wheel. So when I haul my second battery I keep my hands on the bars.
@@justinwhite2951 Interesting, thank you for sharing this!
A defect is a defect. What happens when you have a defect in a car? There's a recall, right? This is why there are no Chinese made cars here in the United states. Pure junk people are wasting $2,000 on
...its a bicycle not a motorcycle or even a moped...neck, suspension, tires, rims the list go on and on people
@@OU812NVME correct, it is a bicycle.
They're just in denial, they spent $2,000 and wasted $2,000. Sad
There's a guy on here saying that he thinks it's the weld on the wheel.
@@luigiprovencher it could be I suppose!
@@leetjohnson Yeah because it seems like it's heavier in that spot. So it would have to be balanced just like a car wheel does in order to correct the problem but idk if he did or replace the rim with a better quality one.
😮 Dude! Ask for your money back. A 2k bike should not shake so loose in the back end like that. That shows subpar quality brother. How you can accept that as a consumer is beyond me. Thank you for your video. This is the second time I see the back end put together so loosely and inaccurately that it looks like it's about to fall apart. I would proceed with extreme caution on that bike sir... It looks like a catastrophic failure is likely in the future. I can't even imagine such a catastrophic failure of the rear end suspension linkage while doing 30mph. I see a class action lawsuit in the proceeding months. No exaggeration here.
@firstinlastout honestly, I have never had an issue with it in the last year of ownership, it only does this if I take my hands off and slap the handlebars while riding. The rear end hasn't caused any wobble or issues while riding. I will update the channel if I ever have any issues with it!
Do it at 30 or 40.
I may try that for another video when I have my camera chest mounted, rather than in my hand, for safety, in case I need to grab the handlebars with both hands.
one thing i can say is the sound that the rear battery makes when shaking the bike is from the plastic attachment rail and the rear battery together, not from banging into the rear metal frame.
if you look directly above the rear bike rack, there is a plastic guided rail track where the rear battery is supposed to be slid into place. there is some degree of tolerance / looseness in fitment there.
when the battery is slid into place and connected, whoever designed that, did not have a way to lock the rear portion of the rear battery into place closer to the tail light. so you have the front of the rear battery connected physically and to make an electric connection, but the very end with the tail light is not secured tightly into anything. if they were to re-design this plastic piece so that the rear somehow clicks into place or added some sort of friction, or made the track wider by a few millimeters so there is no play, that would prevent the battery from acting like a wagging tail of a dog if it begins oscillating side to side,
one way to check for this is to partially slide the rear battery halfway through the rail and then move it side to side. that is the same noise probably heard when the rear battery is fully in and you move that side to side or move the entire bike side to side. that rail prevents it from hitting the metal rack but the rail have some sideways give to it.
@iblackfeathers I have the same issue with my front battery. Most people don't seem to have that issue on theirs, but on mine, it rattles around a tiny bit. Thank you for sharing your experience, it helps everyone and hopefully makes it back to Wired to make the bike even better.
@@leetjohnson i just tried an experiment. two layers of vhb tape on either side of the plastic rail.. it didn’t help. but what i figured out in the process is the width of the rail could be more of the issue that the height of the rail…
so i took two black rubber bands and placed then at the front of the rail right where the battery begins to slide in... and after the two screws or bolts there. the battery is a bit harder to slide in if you put more than two rubber bands, but it provided just the right amount of friction to keep the rear battery from wiggling around…
i have yet to test out wobble because my tanus armours are coming in tomorrow… and i’ve got work this week, so cannot test. but it is possible that as far as the rear batteries go, two small rubber bands on the plastic rail may be the trick or workaround to stop the rattling. again, i can’t say anything about the wobble. someone else may need to confirm.
@iblackfeathers thats very interesting, thank you for sharing this and let me know how it goes when you do get the time to test out the wobble!
@@leetjohnsonI just tested the bike and it does wobble with both batteries in place and the rubberbands and tires at 22psi right out of the box.
the rubberbands only help with some of the rattle pertaining to shaking it sideways when parked as demonstrated in other videos.
with citizen cycle's recent wobble video he must live in the suburbs with perfectly leveled roads without any warping because the bike wobbles below and above 20mph brought on by normal road imperfections.
i will have to test without the rear battery at a later time. but i don't trust this bike if i was moving at any speed and with a single hand.
sometimes you have to take a hand away for reasons like removing a bug from your face that having your hands glued to the handlebars isn't practical.
Folding bikes with those 4" balloon knobbies and that folding frame are horrible. Like my Lectric XPremium. I like it but it feels like a wet noodle. Not really sure if its the frame or the tires. I have a 4x20 Fucare Scorpio with a trellis style fixed frame and non balloon type tires that I run 30 psi. It is so solid and smooth its amazing. The lack of rolling resistance with those tires makes it very easy to pedal without any assistance on
@tenncutt Interesting, thanks for sharing! I have noticed the same on my previous rigid bikes too...much more solid and smooth. I guess it just comes with the territory of the full suspension and big tires/wheels.
My 2024 Freedom was ordered in APR & was due to ship at end May, then postponed for the bonuses till end June. When it showed up the UPS man asked me to help get off truck its so heavy. The top of the box was ripped off from middle to 1 end with many holes along sides. It looked like a bear attacked it. When I opened it up I immediately saw many scratches in paint. I was bout to put together when I noticed no tool for handlebars or manual to put this together. So I went on their chat help & in the end it came missing manuals, tool,2nd battery charger, touch up paint, headlight, & PEDALS... so they send me the accessory box which took 4 days (mind you I took my vaca from work for the day of the delivery) & its missing the touch up paint. From this point on the Wired customer service chat was unhelpful & rude. I asked them how the batteries work is it frame batt till drained then rear kicks in? & they said it was a 'blendid' function that draws off both... So I told them that i purposely drained my batt to 60% on display & when went to charge both only the rear was at 60% while frame batt was 100%, so its not blending.... I like to pedal so I turn the motor options off (set to 0) & quickly found out that gears 1-6 make the chain skip on every rotation... They told me to take it to a bike shop for a derailer adjustment or watch a youtube vid on how do it myself...2400.00+shipping & this is the product I got & customer service to go with it FUCK WIRED
Thanks for sharing your experience, I appreciate the feedback and honest opinion.
My experience was the complete opposite..
Ceo of wired is telling customers to fix it themselves but everyone is focusing on ecells ceo? You guys need to get your priorities in order. Good lord
@@Mike6string Yeah, there is a lot of back and forth about all this.
I purchased a bike from E-cells and I will tell you that dealing with that company is a nightmare. I would never buy a single thing from them again! Get sent a broken bike and then get lied to for two weeks until you find parts and fix it yourself, then they delete questions off their Facebook group constantly from anyone who raises a question. These are facts! I enjoy my bike but never again from that company.
I mean just in passing in the youtube comments he does seem like he needs to step back and just let the bike to the talking and be there to support and fix it. I will still probably get an ecell over the wired personally, but I think we can all be honest and say sometimes, the way he sort of gets too much into his feelings or the "energy" he comes to people with is awkward and sorta off putting... I have seen some very inventive and talented people lose a ton of business to competitors of worse products because they don't know how to conduct themselves online when they run a business. Sometimes they may simply not care... but I do think he cares a great deal. I just wish he would be a bit more chill and thick skinned ya know? He needs PR to handle his online accounts. Then this would not even be a discussion.
The guy that runs Wired ebikes (Steven) is pathetic. Instead of resolving complaints, he emails you with sarcastic replies, and the dood struggles with reading comprehension. Horrible representation of a failing company. Don't expect support from Steven if you have problems with the cheap Chinese product or long delayed shipping.
Don't make the same mistake I did. Buy e cells 5 star or some other quality e bike instead of Wired Freedom. They don't deserve your patronage and hard earned money. Very poor communication from Steven and his side chick who makes nothing but lame excuses. 👎🏿👎🏿💸
I think.
If it was a real issue they would
Leave your hands on the bars , it is the extra weight on the back
@@haroldmiller6853 👍
IMO the wobble is indicative of a design flaw...a weakness in a critical stress point that has the potential to fail when load threshold is exceeded. I would hate for that to happen at high speed in traffic or on high mountain cliffside trail; people can really get hurt or worse. This is recall territory.
@hottamalekid3502 it's fairly common on these big tire ebikes.
@hottamalekid3502 if it did it with your hands on the handlebars, then yes, I would agree on a safety recall.
I installed the Hellbender VESCO 70 headset supplied by WIRED............and also perform routine maintenance at least once a week on my 2024+ ... ( especially ) including checking and retorquing any fastener that may need it. Any wobble that I experienced has been corrected and averted. BTW most full suspension e bikes that have a 4 point hookup on the rear suspension have some shake......I LOL when I hear somebody say......oh it's a death trap and will kill you....."some folks" just ride the crap out of these bikes and put them up, barely doing any maintenance at all.....maybe just because..... Take care of your bike, have fun and be safe...........BTW 99.5% of all e bike frames, components, batteries, tires, electrical, you name it, is mfg. and assembled by the same 1/2 doz. chosen bike factories in Taiwan. Then cargo boxed up and shipped, to be purchased by you and me..........Luck of the draw, I suppose.
@@blipcat3382 100% agree! Thank you for sharing your experience!
I have about 200 miles on the new dual battery version. The frame has flex in it no doubt. If I take my hands off the handlebars it will start wobbling on its own at about 12 mph without me starting the shake and it gets worse - no self correcting. I’ve tightened everything down, increased tire psi, etc. The bike is still a blast and won’t wobble if you keep one hand on the handlebars, but you can feel some flex if you’re at speed and make a sudden movement, so you just have to be deliberate when looking over your shoulder for traffic for instance.
@@stevenpeavler959 Interesting! Thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate it!!
this is actually what happens to mine
They are installing a hellbender 70 visco for free
@@lido81jr that's what I heard too!!
Do you know if the freedom is included? Just got mine today. Absolute beast!
If you call them and ask them I think they will send you one the hellbender visco 70 for the wobble
My friend just got one and it didn’t work. These bikes should be recalled
@@Mike6stringExactly! Finally a smart consumer in this message thread
STOP freaking about this folks! Rear linkage wobble is easily fixed….add a bolt in the existing extra holes in the shock linkage…play and wobble gone.
I agree, not a big deal on the single battery version at all.
Blah blah blah. Keep telling yourself that everything is fine until the catastrophic failure does occur. You sir are in total denial
It's the battery weight in the back it's been proven watch citizen cycle wobble investigation video just ride it without the second battery
@jeffbeagan6259 I saw that video too.
I think these videos started with someone who was mad at the company. And blew it out of proportions out of revenge. I mean, unless you're going to ride.No handed and purposely make it start wobbling from shifting your weight wrong.I wouldn't worry about it😂 I mean, people's examples of this is them purposely making it shake.It's ridiculous
@corywebb5537 it seems to be a bigger issue with the new dual battery version more than the single battery version like I have now.....at least that's what I've heard.
It's not just that, look at the author's video, look how the rear end is completely loose. This is going to lead to a catastrophic failure! But people are in denial, they don't want to admit that they wasted $2,000
So you ordered the Gen 2 Wired Freedom? Were you able to get some kind of credit being a loyal customer with Gen 1? I find it disappointing that the Gen 1 was around as of January 2024 and then the Gen 2 was released 6 months later. This makes me feel as that by buying Gen 1, we participated in a beta program. One thing that was learned was that the enclosed controller is subject to overheating on extended steep climbs... and this has interfered with long group e-bike rides I have done. I have periodically been checking Wired's website to see if there is a customer loyalty program to upgrade a Gen 1 to a Gen 2 and I have not seen anything. I think offering the Gen 2 Display, Controller, and an attachment kit would be all it takes as the hub motor appears to be the same one. I do give credit to Wired because with respect to technical support, the owner has always been very responsive and this demonstrates he does care for his customers.... I just wish current customers would get some kind of break.
@mattr7229 that would be nice! Even if they offered the upgrade package at a discount for loyal customers.
30 minutes earlier, the video would be visable..
@@JohnBabcock-qy1cs apologies!
My WF+ has death wobble the instant i take my hands off the bars. No hitting, no bumps, straight and level ride. It feels a little squirrely in normal operation.
@meatrobot interesting! I heard Wired is adding a steering stabilizer to the new models now. Maybe give them a call, and they might send you one for free.
I have one on the way!!!
Just looked at both e-cell and the wired rear suspension and it looks like putting a screw with a spacer in the hole in the front of the suspension arm would help with the problem on the wired freedom
@stevebickett7614 yeah, that might help!
I have one of the new wired freedoms and can confirm that the death wobble is pretty serious. I made a quick video just to show everyone what it looks like. Hope it helps show that it needs to be fixed.
@Svtprat03ebikes Thank you for sharing your experience, I hope the problem will be addressed quickly as well!
I agree! Love the bike and just want people to be safe.
You just have to bump the end of either handlebar end and the front end will start to wobble. Reproducible at will. I have the original 2024. It’s always been there from day 1.
@@bizzfo thanks for the input, I appreciate it!
Been riding motorcycles for 60 years, race bikes at 180 mph. It’s a gyroscopic effect with many variables. From bumps in the road, to holding bars too tight to upsetting the bike, front tire issues, added weight distribution etc. Even
bikes with steering stabilizers still do it. Half the time though it’s driver error! I have the 2024 wired and if you shake it like you do there is some flex. None when driving at speed even pedaling at 42 mph
@@rsolom6 Right on! Thanks for your insight, I really appreciate it!
There should be zero Flex for a 2000 electrical bike. If you're settling for less, then I can only imagine what else you're settling for
This has only occurring a very few bikes but this story has been blown up by the owner of E-Cells. Don't fall for the hype.
@mikebordeaux8218 That was my initial impression. Seems like the truth is somewhere in between the extremes that are being presented.
@@leetjohnson , I own a 2024+ Wired Cruiser and I can't make it wobble
So no hate directed towards anyone just want to share my experience. Just got done riding 30 miles with my E-cells Five Star base model. I went down the local canyon and hit up some roads as well. On the level straights I did some no handlebar riding and had zero wobble. I just went and tried shaking my bike the same way you did and it did not flex a single inch. I don't have the second back battery though.
I think its crazy that the manufacturer would sell bikes to customers with this issue. And hearing people say "oh just keep your hands on the handlebars" is crazy to me as well. As consumers you have to demand more of the companies you buy stuff from. I was about to buy a wired freedom and they were out of stock so I got the E-cells. Glad I did. I will be telling everyone I know to avoid Wired until they fix this issue. I cannot in good conscience recommend the Wired Freedom to anyone knowing they have this issues, not when E-cells sells the same bike without this problem.
@RXR25 Thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate it!
E cells five star is also prone to wobble and they have not even shipped any dual battery bikes yet so who knows how bad it will be. Wired says the first couple of shipments didn’t have proper torque to the headset of some bikes so let’s see if later batches have any issues. Kinda of tricky to properly DIY the headset if you’ve never done it before. I do think Wired should copy e cells rack, it looks to be more sturdy and better attached. I think e cells may be getting ahead of their own problems in classic slime ball fashion. First it was Wired was making so much money, then it was the controller was overheating, then the frame was defective, then the UL certification was BS, then the new contoller was too small and must be crap, then Hengtai won’t warranty Wired’s motors, now it’s the death wobble. What a complete POS a pathetic loser that he acts this way. F rating from the BBB and prison term are probably well deserved from what I’ve seen of Cleveland.
Five star prone to wobble???? What proof do you have? Nobody has any problems with their five stars. Nice try though. I’ll tell you who’s a pos, wired ceo telling the customers to fix it themselves. Complete pos
@jfly2249 I'm very interested to see how the Dual Star holds up once finally in the customers' hands.
@@leetjohnson there’s already videos online. No wobble and solid as a rock.
At least four or five people have mentioned the e cell wobble on their Facebook page. I assume they are still there although Cleveland likes to sanitize everything. How’s that e cell torque sensor working out? How’s the gates belt drive? What’s the price of the dual star now? How about giving up 1000 watts to the Wired bikes. Cleveland is an unethical felon and pathological liar with an inferior overpriced and underpowered bike by comparison.
Wow you always try and throw it back to E Cells instead of owning up. You put out a faulty product that could be dangerous...Look in the mirror pos
Thank god I didn’t buy wired seen multiple videos like this n it’s confirmed wire has a safety / frame issue n if you bought this bike im so sorry 🤣 it’s like buying a mustang with loose nuts on your axel no thank you won’t be busting my ass on these wired freedoms 🤣
@gabrielcortez3053 I have the older single battery version, haven't had any issues while riding. The new ones seem to have a bad wobble....apparently Wired is now selling them with a steering stabilizer.
I think you're reaching too much think about it this company kept the same price and added more things
Seems like junk in my opinion I think the East sells five star is way more quality
@gmaster716 Reaching for what? I'm asking people their experience with the bikes they own. Do you own the Wired Freedom, or the Ecells 5 star?
@@leetjohnson reaching for an excuse that the bike is good 👍 it's just my opinion after trying both bikes
To each their own my friend
Be safe in the heat
@gmaster716 Thanks! I feel like both bikes are great, no bike is perfect, they will always have their drawbacks. I think much of it comes down to personal preference and manufacturing quirks, much like cars. Have a great day!
@@leetjohnson totally agree for minor hiccups, but we're talking about a death wobble!!! Which could be a serious game changer 😛
Keep posting the great videos👍
@@gmaster716 will do!