He trolls all the influencers & if he sees anything negative about his bikes he becomes belligerent. This is one reason I decided not to buy a Wired bike.
Actually, that’s a selling point on probably 80% of the E bikes being sold right now. The fact that you’re trying to write it off as if it’s insignificant paying $250 in shipping plus paying taxes? That is a big bite.. and guess what for the amount of difference that it would cost me to get the wired delivered to my door I could get the E-cells And a bigger controller.
I went with the Dual Star package on the 5 Star. RST guide fork is good but that dual crown fork is amazing stability, ride quality, and durability combined with a streamlined dual battery package that Ecells has perfected over years of experience for $500. Are you kidding me? Then I call Ecells myself and the owner answers my questions personally and responds to my questions and concerns in the group. Ecells is a family and I am grateful to be a part of it! Thanks for the great info! Look forward to your comparison of both great bikes!
The dual crown fork offered by e cells is not a thru axle and is just for looks. The RST with a thru axle is a much more robust and is a safer fork than the e cell branded one.
@@jfly2249The 1st few Ecell bikes that were sent out had the quick release front axle. They changed all bikes moving forward to the through axle for safety reasons. The dual crown fork has more travel, is more stable, and offers a whole other level of ride quality. Especially off road. In 5 years they have had no issues other than a few warranty issues on wrecked bikes or from being synched all the way down in trucks with tie straps. The dual crown is an awesome fork!
This is the comment I left on another channel regarding this feud. I'll preface it by stating ecells uses better components. I don't know who stole what from the other with the design. Regardless, both failed miserably with the rear suspension. EDIT START-The Owner/Operator of ecells has been clear that he designed these basic models for folks like senior citizens and those with some minor mobility issues that may struggle with a traditional bicycle on some terrain. He didn't necessarily intend the design to be used for regular single track use. My intent here isn't to throw shade on ecells. I want them to succeed and improve.-END EDIT. Ecells dual star owner here. I'm happy so far with my purchase, but I know that I will break the rear suspension and rear frame bars at some point. That said, I need to point out that the general design of the suspension on both the wired and ecells can be an inherently difficult system to design for rigidity if the designer isn't paying attention to best practices. I believe that both fall into the Horst Link (4-bar) category which has seen a lot of use and best practices evolution in design since the 90s. Getting that geometry to the point of basic non-binding "functionality" in autocad or solidworks is 5% of the total engineering challenge required to make a stable and robust system. All of those pivot points and the individual size/length/geometry of those materials and components linking them together is the design challenge. The pivot connections are more critical than anything else. If I'm being subjective, I think both ecells and wired missed the mark with the inception of this suspension design. Especially given the weight of the bike. All of the pivot connections need to be addressed. They are under-engineered for both bikes. It is unfortunate. All of the pivot points are suspect. One of the biggest design problems that I see with both of these bikes is the length of the rocker linkage connecting the shock to the rear seat stay. The distance between those two connection points is insanely long. That introduces so much more leverage and non linear stress and flex to an already under-engineered pivot construction. If you follow the evolution of MTB rear suspension, you will notice that those designs lead to the shortest rocker linkage possible to reduce those forces between pivot points. Note the suspension and frame changes with the new Ecells Triple Crown. It is clear that they are at least incrementally waking up to this. Personally, I think they should scrap their entire suspension design, but every one of their bikes should have those same changes exhibited in the Triple Crown at a minimum. These bikes are more motorcycle than bicycle. 100+ lbs. There is a reason that motorcycles don't use a Horst pattern suspension. Strength and safety. They need to go to a single point swing-arm and call it a day. Ugly, but it works.
Had the freedom for a year now and love it. Had a few issues but the staff helped so much and no more issues. Thinking hard about the newest version. I am a 250lbs cyclist that drives it hard. Wired has been a fantastic company to me that I would buy from again.
I think you are one of the more straight up and tell it like it is guys. Just my opinion, and trust whatever comes your way and your experiences with them. Enjoying something now vs hoping for something new later seems the best way to describe what I see in your vids. Thanks for your honesty
I was considering the Wired strongly and then ended up going with the ECells - I am also local over in folsom. I need to build the bike as it just got here last night. If you wanna check out the ecells in person feel free to contact me. You can do a hands on.
So far I passed 1500 miles on my Wired Freedom, and it's holding up really good. May need to look at changing the brakes soon and I might change the tires soon but it's riding good!
I also got into a head on crash with a biker that was not paying attention and was driving on the wrong side of the trail around a corner yesterday. I couldn't avoid him and we crashed. It was go into the trees or stay my course. But is perfectly fine, it's a tank. I think he it the front tire first which protected the rest of the bine. Bent fender and chip of paint on the front that I touched up with paint. Bike still rides good as new!
Appreciate your video and wanted to put in my two cents. I went to the Wired site to purchase the Freedom a couple of months ago. I put my order in the cart and believe, if I remember correctly, that I put in all my information and credit card number. It was then and only then that I saw the $275 (?) shipping charge. It is their prerogative to do business as they wish, but I thought that was not at all cool and I canceled my order. I have a Five Star on the way for $300 less and I don't plan on riding 40 MPH so I don't think I will miss the extra 5 amps the Freedom has if that indeed is the case. Bottom line for owners of either bike is whether you are satisfied and enjoying your purchase. If so then all the other drama doesn't really matter.
Thank you for mentioning the battery movement, I have the 2024 wired with 1200 miles on it, before that I had a ride1up 500 series with 11,000 miles on it, the battery movement on the ride1up shorted out the battery connection after about 5000 miles, I replaced it through ride1up and started using a mini-ratchet strap to further tighten the battery down. I used the same mini ratchet strap on the wired when I got it because I noticed the same potential issue. really appreciate all your videos, thanks.
My 2024 Freedom was ordered in APR & was due to ship at end May, then postponed for the bonuses till end June. When it showed up the UPS man asked me to help get off truck its so heavy. The top of the box was ripped off from middle to 1 end with many holes along sides. It looked like a bear attacked it. When I opened it up I immediately saw many scratches in paint. I was bout to put together when I noticed no tool for handlebars or manual to put this together. So I went on their chat help & in the end it came missing manuals, tool,2nd battery charger, touch up paint, headlight, & PEDALS... so they send me the accessory box which took 4 days (mind you I took my vaca from work for the day of the delivery) & its missing the touch up paint. From this point on the Wired customer service chat was unhelpful & rude. I asked them how the batteries work is it frame batt till drained then rear kicks in? & they said it was a 'blendid' function that draws off both... So I told them that i purposely drained my batt to 60% on display & when went to charge both only the rear was at 60% while frame batt was 100%, so its not blending.... I like to pedal so I turn the motor options off (set to 0) & quickly found out that gears 1-6 make the chain skip on every rotation... They told me to take it to a bike shop for a derailer adjustment or watch a youtube vid on how do it myself...2400.00+shipping & this is the product I got & customer service to go with it FUCK WIRED
I have the 2024 Wired Freedom Gen 1 also. I also removed my fenders. I have been very happy with bike other than some overheating issues. However, I think the 2024 Wired Freedom Gen 2 is a major step up. I haven't seen anything on the Wired site but I am hoping there will be an upgrade path offered for the Gen 1 owners, especially since it was out for short time. I would love to see an option to purchase the Gen 2 power train for your Gen 1.
I went with ecells with the dual star package as it seems to be a better value to me, plus they have 24 inch wheels as a free option. Which is ideal for shorter people.
both are strong bikes but i'm going with Ecells they have more options on customizing your order to fit what you want and the quality parts makes it even better
@@leetjohnson yes they both great i've went back and forth trying to decide which I want i can say it's a hard choice, i only wish E-cells was not so high when adding on extra features
Did extensive research on both E-Cells & Wired since Feb/March 2024. And from what was able to glean was that both were VG rides. What "sealed the deal" for me, was that E-Cells S/H charge to Hawaii was included in the price! Also, after inquiring about the final price, one of the staff called me back,
Solor Surron Great video, I just want to say that we appreciate your logical unbiased commentary on this subject. There seems to be so much crap flying around on both sides . Which makes it very confusing for people to figure out what is the truth of the matter? Since I own a 2024 freedom, I can tell you exactly what people are referring to about the rear suspension Arm. If you notice in CC’s video you can clearly see the added shims in the suspension arm on the new White freedom. I really didn’t notice much of a problem on my bike until I added a second battery on the rack, then it became extremely obvious. That’s when I made and installed Specer shims to make the suspension arm more rigid, and it helped immensely. You can also notice that the E-cells bike comes with the same shims already installed. The five star frame design has been out for five years and they have had plenty of time to figure out the bugs and addressed them accordingly. This would also explain why their bike already comes with a potted controller to address heat issues. Can’t wait to see future clarification videos from your channel. Thanks.
agreed, any rack weight = wobbles, i'm going to beef it up fairly easily, then hopefully my neighbor buys this freedom & i can get a pimped out 5 star with extras, only because i plan to make it into a 2-wheeled F-350 & make a HD trailer for it, the e-cells frame is Much stronger looking, but the Wired fab & welds are as sexy as a Ducati, Cheers to all..
What is a Specer shim? We are having serious wobble, both hands on bars, while going up and down the mountain roads leading in and out from our home. We need help to fix the wobble.
what's the most narrow non knobby tire you can go with on this bike? i really don't want a fat tire bike but if i could shrink them a bit would be nice
@benhartland4708 theoretically, you could go as thin as you want....26x 2 would be really funny looking with the wide front fork, but I don't think there would be an issue with it.
I tried purchasing two of the ECELLS. They were on order for 2 and a half months and they could not deliver. They had no problem taking $5,000 up front for products they could not deliver. When I asked for an eta they could not provide one so I canceled. It was very difficult getting my money back. The customer service was extremely poor as well. All the reviews I saw on line were good, unfortunately my experience was anything but. I will be ordering the new Furious Road Warrior Ultimate. The Wired bike would probably be a good option as well.
@@gregb878 Interesting, thank you for sharing your experience. I'm sorry you had to wait so long, only to be disappointed and not get what you ordered.
They still have an old Yahoo email attached to their website. Which causes me to wait a week for a response i would never receive😒...... and now they don't offer the customizable options via the website but can be done via phone, which is kinda throwing up yellow flags for me. Im not at red flags levels yet but it does have me back in the marker looking for another potential company to buy from.
@@latrellsolomon I would definitely look at different options if possible. When you call to place an order you get someone immediately. I talked to the owner and explained that if they had taken a deposit I would not have canceled the orders, but after 2-1/2 months I didn't feel comfortable not knowing how much longer it would take. I was told the only information was that they were still in China. It looks like Wired has bikes ready to ship. The new Fabulous Road Warrior Ultimate will ship around November, but they only require a deposit.
Honest. Thanks. I have the same bike as you and it’s fabulous. The light is dumb, and they know it but haven’t done anything to fix it really. It does rattle on bumps and it’s super annoying. I’m tempted to get the new Wired. However, it’s HEAVY! And I don’t really need the range and so forth. I live near the place that you can pick it up. It’s not a store front or factory. It’s just a rented warehouse with a few other companies in it. There is no sign or dedicated office space that you would otherwise expect. It’s just a place to get your bike. They have a small isle where the assembled bikes are waiting. E-Cells had me at first but there upgrade menu is to complicated for a simple guy like me, although I do have a PhD. Just too many options.
What do ya’ll think about if I buy a “dual star” five star e-cells bike, and do a std. large wheel on the front and a 24” on the back, “mullet” style. I’m 5’5 and ride on the road, but also do desert sandy-type trails sometimes. Or should I just buy it in the 24” all around? There is a $300 up charge to change to 24”. Any ideas appreciated.
“Overheating Issues”!!! Who came out with the Gel Filled Potted Controller to address the Problem of Overheating???? I don’t think it was Wired. Who has Not had a problem with Overheating in their Dual Motor, Dual Battery Bikes???
Wired has a automatic cut-out to protect the motor, E-cells bike allows the temperature to rise to a temperature that will burn out the components in the motor.
Comparing both bikes at the moment. A big shocker was Ecells $300 "tariff" fee if you want to add any upgrades! I priced it with the $500 fork/extra battery/bigger headlight option, a better rear shock, and gold wheels and it was over $3K.
Yeah, it's a bummer they have to add that fee already. If you decide to get the Wired Freedom, I'd appreciate it if you used the link in the video description box, it really helps out this channel!
The 2024+ Wired Freedom to my front door was $2444.70 with the new through axel RST Guide forks. The Five Star with the bigger better brakes too, in rack battery, More suspension travel dual crown forks, Stronger double walled gold anodized rims, AND the optional torque sensor, in gorgeous Monarch Blue, $ 2543.00 ! FYI also, I could NOT find a dual crown fork to fit the new 135mm through axel front hub! Which would have been an extra $300 if I could find one to fit. Both dan at Wired and Brian at Citizen Cycle told me adding a torque sensor will require a different controller and will be very costly and difficult to get through. So guess which bike will arriving at my door by the end of June ? Looks like I will Get to see first hand how my modified 2024 Freedom stacks up next to the new 5 Star E-bike.
It amazed me how many WIRED guys, and gals, have bought the Five Star with the new bigger better DUAL STAR package. Most have said that if I'm going with dual battery, I'm going with Ecells since they have 5 years experience in dual battery bikes.
I don't think that it does....however just to make sure, I would message the company on their website via the chat box. They are fairly quick to respond.
Check your front Cup and Cone bearings as I did.I was shocked to see the pre load over tightened and very little grease in the cups.Also there is one less ball bearing on the side of the brake rotor and the cups are the same size on each side.Called the company and they said they will have to check on this.There is room for another ball but maybe there is a reason for this,All the cup and cone bearings I seen,All the balls are snug with little room between them.
I was looking at the ecell bike and I saw that you to pay like extra to unlock the whole thing is that true or did I misread it because I’m getting either a wired or e cells
@Wildtuff they are both great options. If you want the dual batteries, the Wired Freedom will be cheaper. If you do get the Wired, I have a link in the video description that helps out this channel if you decide to get one, I'd really appreciate it! Wither way, let me know what you decide!
Oh boy, where do I start. I have over 1700 miles on my 2024 Freedom now, with zero issues so far. I love it. I also have a decked-up Dual Star on order from E cells. Probably won't get it until July. E Cells is a great company and Dave Cleveland is a great guy who REALLY CARES about his customers and is a bit of a fanatic about his products. He may go too far sometimes in the cause of protecting his brand but i think it's coming from a good place. Competition can be brutal and margins are slim. As long as people get all the correct information that they need in order to make an informed decision and they don't get sucked into that rabbit hole of which brand is better, they should be happy with the bike they end up buying.
It is suspicious that he just did over 10 years in prison then got out and started an ebike company. Now he is lieing about his competition because he is a "fanatic" and "protecting his company". Competition is always good but that owner is a goofy.
Didnt he get a second chance in jail already?? You shouldn't act like that towards your competitors let alone a youtuber. Tbh his rep was trashed when I started reading other posts... what a interesting way to create hype for your ebike. He needs to let the people decide. Also Drag raceing them was the best idea yet!
I have a 2024 Wired Freedom and on more than one occasion the chain has popped loose from the chainring. Do you know if purchasing a 130mm BCD 56T Chainring guard will solve the problem? It looked like it might do the job but if so, I will probably need bike technician to install it for me. Not having to worry about chain coming off would make my riding experience a lot more pleasant!
Looks like I may have found an answer to my question. There is a portion of the frame that's only about 1/8" or less from the chain teeth on the chainring. Adding a chainring guard would extend it out 1/8" or possibly a little more, resulting in a interference fit. Unfortunately it seems the frame design on this bike does not lend to the use of a chainring guard. Is a bit of a annoyance when getting on of off the bike, if I bump something wrong or back pedal the chain can occasionally come off.
@@leetjohnson Yes, the chain issue seems to occur for me occasionally when getting on or off. Pretty sure I can avoid by positioning pedals right! I was out for a long ride yesterday and it was fun. Think I have most of my settings right for me. Only thing I could improve is possibly a little less surge when throttle is activated accidentally (just a little) while riding. Probably just a minor setting change
The so-called "death wobble" with the wired freedom only happens when there is weight put on the back rack. Citizen cycle spells this out in one of his videos. The newer 2024s come with a second battery that is nested in the rack which is enough to do it. I have one of those second batteries in my Wired Freedom and it, sure-enough, does it too. It only happen however, if you try to ride with no hands, which is not recommended anyway with such a beast of a bike. FYI. Great video! Thank you!
Very interesting video.. I cannot speak about either of these bikes as I own one Wallke Cruiser and a Magicycle Cruiser. Will wait for your video on the Ecells bike.
Is it only me that loves both bike. I wish both bikes have a baby i can buy lol. Personally if the ecell 5 stars came with dual battery, id have gotten it but i opted for the wired instead. Everything came out to 2274. But the dual battery option is not available to the regular 5 stars. You have to get the dual star for 2695 [2595 with 100$ coupon off] even though its with more accessories and upgrades. But hey. If this is what both companies are giving us now, who know what their competition might give us in like 3-4 years. Glad to see 2 companies pushing themselves and WE get to benefit by having 2 outstanding options to choose from.
This is a tough decision for me because Wired Freedom is the performance choice with more torque with that 45A controller, no water bottle mount but can be shunt modded compared to Ecells is more of a reliable choice with solid frame, water bottle mount, potted controller and can special order a 24 inch wheelset for example.
@@MisterSal9895 if you do decide to go with the Wired Freedom, I'd appreciate it if you could use the link in the description box of this video, it really helps out this channel!
I have the same version Wired Freedom as you have and love it. I was a bit disappointed when the new Freedom came out 4 months after I got mine. However, I was interested in seeing if it was worth upgrading and looked for videos and thats when I also saw eCells videos, and then comparing them on their respective websites. I came to the same conclusions as you did. Wired has a slight power advantage, eCell has more customizability. But the main thing that steers me to Wired Freedom is the contentious nature of the eCell guy trying to one up himself by disparaging Wired Freedom. The old guy trying to sell that death wobble story, but I aint buying it, maybe someone who is yet to buy and/or ride a Wired Freedom might buy it cuz they don't know any better. The Citizen Cycle channel did a video on the "wobble" he shook the handlebar of several ebikes even hardtail bikes and they all wobble when you find the right frequency, even hardtail bikes, (even eCell). Anyhow, if your exaggerating and hard selling like a used car salesman I start getting suspicious. eCells attitude turns me off.
First off thanks for your honest perspectives on these bikes. While both companies make what looks like very similar bikes, I ordered the Wired Cruiser because I wanted a step thru this time and the Wired seemed like the best deal. I also prefer the look of the Wired. My only reservation was not the shipping cost to receive the bike but the idea that if there are any warranty issues, I will have to pay for the shipping on those as well. I understand they are not a large company that can eat the cost of shipping like a big box or large on line retailer, it is just something I hope I will not have to do. I must admit though, that I made my decision on my purchase before seeing the post by the Ecells owner here or anything about his past but what did put me off is their need on their web site to inform me of their religious views. I do not care to know what someones religion is or what their beliefs are and if they feel the need to tell me, I tend to go the other way, to each his own.
Hey buddy I really enjoy your videos, I ordered 2 of these last night for my wife and I. Im a bigger guy around 250 right now and was considering purchasing a seatpost with suspension in it. What are your thoughts on it, and what would the difference be between the sp17-ncx and the sp25-ncx. Also any QoL mods youd reccomend for the bikes.
@Apahona right on! To be honest, I don't think a seat post with suspension is really necessary for this bike. I would wait until you ride it first and then, if you still want a suspension seat post, buy it at that point.
I am interested in both companies.. I like that they are competing and both companies are coming out with better products.. I will say that the Wired Cruiser now has full suspension and looks pretty good.. I am in the Rockies.. A couple things that I am waiting for is a mid-drive torque senser with carbon gates belt drive and a geared hub... Also regenerative braking.. With a throttle that would work if there was any belt issues.. It would have to come with puncture resistant tires.. I think I live about 10 miles from the mountains.. It would be nice to do 10 miles of riding in the mountains so I would need a range of about 40 miles.. With how fast the ebike market is changing I am sure it won't be long before there is a bike that comes with all of this stuff..
Things are definitely changing quickly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of those things soon. As far as I know, regen is only possible on direct drive motors, not geared hub motors.
I paid 2105 with tax for pick up for a new wired cruiser.... Ecells is like 600 more then that because there cruiserdual is 2600. Also it ships in at the end of the summer way later.
I'm going with the e cells, two-year warranty a lot of options I live in Nevada not too far from Pahrump so I can actually go there, I'm also 6 foot 5 and I need the 19 inch frame... Seems like wired as a good bike but all the reviews that I see are people that own it already.
Solar, I believe you live in the Folsom, Ca area. If you can make the drive to So. Calif., E-Cells and David Cleveland will be at the Electrify Expo in Long Beach June 1 and 2. Your chance to Test Ride E-Cells line of bikes and meet David Cleveland. Could be a Great Connection for you. I don’t think the owners of Wired Truly Appreciate the hard work you have put in promoting their product. Solar, You do one of the Best jobs on the internet evaluating E-bikes and putting out valuable information. Your video on Watts, Volts, and Amps was Truly useful in understanding the relations to E-bikes. Most critics of E-Cells, The 5 Star, and David Cleveland have never ridden the bike or met David Cleveland in person. Now is Your chance. You may be Surprised!!! Enjoy The Expo!!!!
That sounds like an awesome opportunity! Thank you for the kind words as well, I really appreciate it! I am originally from Southern California (North San Diego area) and will be going down to San Diego for 2 weeks at the end of June, but unfortunately I will miss the June 1st date for Long Beach. I would love to meet Dave and ride the Ecells 5 Star. I'm sure it is an amazing bike since so many people love it!
Ecells or Wired? I think what anyone chooses is subjective and I find the bashing of competition annoying and appreciate this unbiased review..whichever you like this competition is good for us consumers..both need to say on thier toes
Very informative video! I also recently ordered the Wired Crusier+ in black with delivery in mid to late June. If you order now, the delivery date for the Crusier+ is now mid to late July. Which Wired did you order, the Freedom+ or the Cruiser+? Both Wired and Ecells are excellent choices, just a matter of personal preferences. Looking forward to your reviews on your future new Wired+!!!
I just received an email update from Wired stating that the 2024 Crusier+ will ship in mid to end of July instead of June due to re-programming issues. That's OK with me, Wired getting it right and well worth the extra month wait.
$2,095.00 E-Cells 2025 Five Star ll E-Bike™ 1500w 60v 20AH total price includes shipping! I love the 24 inch tires with gold rims are so bad ass! and huge headlight. I think E-CELLS Have better quality batteries. I decided on E-CELL MY CHOICE
I have the new version but mine shakes much, at around 15mph if i don't hold the handles tight it shakes so bad. And yeah the fenders rattle other than that power and range is there
@JR-nh4fi they are now providing the headset to stabilize the bars on all of the new ebikes. If you reach out to them, they should be able to ship you one for free.
I would love to see a 3 bike drag race. The Wired Freedom 2024+, eCells 5 star (dual battery), and Motor Goat v3 (dual battery). Have two races with them. The first a flat-land race, and the second a hill-climb race. This will settle (for now) who is the true king of the hill. People can then compare price, and decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
He's a deal. New 2024 Wired to trade for a 4 piston Tektro FIVE STAR. Straight up, I pay shipping for your bike. Must be new and no issues. One only. Then we can have that race. Goat will have to send me one. If we can get a wired guy to come to SF Electrify Expo we can have that race, hill climb test, and acceleration tests. Goat will be there with us in SF. Will be fun. I know who will win. Do you?
@@e-cells2222 I would not wager a bet on that race. It will be close. My Goat arrived two days ago, and I am still getting the feel for it. I think that the reasonable approach would be with all three equipped with dual battery, as with that second battery the controller can deliver more amps with less voltage sag. I am beginning to wonder if Goat Power Bikes did a 1960's style motor specification fudge (various car companies lowered their advertised ratings on cars like the Mustang, to allow them to race in a lower class). I know for a fact the 2600 Watt max wattage on the Goat is a "reduced rating", and I suspect the Torque figure is fudged as well.
This is a lot of back and forth from two small E-bike companies, I would be surprise if either one was a top 20 manufacturers in the US. But I like the Ecells because of the gold rims, black with gold rims looks sharp!!!!
@UncleJam5624 If I was to guess, I would say probably 10k last year for Wired, and I would assume probably closer to 50k this year...but that's just my best guess. They are gaining popularity exponentially, while Rad is falling behind from what they used to have in market share...
I have looked into both and to be honest imo the only reason why ecells doesnt charge for shipping is because by the time you get the little extras their bike is way over the asking price so honestly both bike probably come out even in the end but the new wired comes with 2 batteries and upgrades at the same price as the old where as ecells does not and wants an additional 3 or 4 hundred for another one....im getting a wired....especially since I'm in chicago 😁
All fair points! If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you use the link in this video description box. It really helps out this channel!! Let me know how you like the bike!!
Thanks for your video on these bikes. Your videos have always been great and very informative. I have a 2024 Green Wired Freedom and absolutely love it, customer service has been incredible as well! It's interesting to see people get so wound up over the two companies. I believe when someone copies your design it's the ultimate compliment to your company! The consumer is the ultimate winner here as there will always be more competition yet to come. I really think there are people losing sleep over whether they bought the right bike, really 😂 Great to see Wired update their bikes again and see the response. Looking forward to your upcoming test with a possible 3,000 watts stock, out of the box!!
Good take on this topic! Not to big on ecells myself but I know that both bikes are nearly identical! Really no reason to talk about why this or that destroys the other I’m staying with my purchase with the freedom and I am just excited to get out there and use it!
@@leetjohnson absolutely! Once I get this bike my plan is to get the Topek bag and adapter an add that to my new bike because it is so inconvenient having to carry things while I’m riding and braking at the same time
@undergroundcreeper7997 right on! If you do decide to buy a Freedom, I'd really appreciate it if you used the link in this video description box, it helps out this channel a lot!
Thanks for your efforts in making these videos. I like your attitude! Im sorry so many people, from all camps, are so tribal, like you were saying about them acting as if they have a vested interest, when really they are providing free marketing, but worse is how they go so hard to defend companies they dont have intimate knowledge about, other than what has been presented to them, ie marketed. Id say both Wired and Ecells are decent outfits, who of course are trying to make money, but also take a measure of pride in their product... I dont see they reason for all the tribal conflict. Anyway, dont let the chronically angry stop you from putting out your videos, as they would be missed, however, Im not too worried about that as you handle them well, calling out the clownshoes when needed, but mostly letting there vitriol roll right off your shoulders!
Solar, you need to Promote the Electrify Expo in Long Beach. Like You, some of your followers may not be aware of it and may be able to attend. If you go you could meet up and see them face to face.
I have the Jen to 2024 early version wired freedom and only have about 300 miles on it. I have a grinding sound coming from the motor and pedal assist mode to and higher sounding like a bearing going out. I spoke to wired, and they asked me to send an audio recording of the sound, so I did. They told me that sound is normal operation of the bike and it is the metal sandwich of the nylon gear in the motor. That doesn’t sound right to me though? Have you or anyone else experienced this issue?
Mine does make a little bit of a light grinding sound, especially after about 20 minutes and it is warmed up. It hasn't caused any issues, just sounds a little bit noisy. As far as I know, that is from the metal gears over the nylon, as solid nylon are quieter, but don't last as long. I think they figured the extra noise was worth it. Very similar to my rc cars with nylon vs metal spur gears.
The CEO of E-cells reminds me of a snakey used car salesman. To leave comments like that is unprofessional and is a turn off for me on the E-cells brand. I ended up buying a new Wired Freedom and should be delivered at the end of June. With very similar bikes it came down to trust for me and honestly i don't trust that guy or his company.
I feel the same way. I have a Freedom on order, I'm in NC and they didn't charge me any sales tax, with a $50 discount code, I'm all in at $2149 for the new Freedom Plus.
To be fair, he is a proud business owner. I get that, but running down someone who predates your product gets old. Let the product speak for itself. I have a 24 Freedom, haven't had an issue and am quite satisfied.
I've heard that the 45 amp controller can burn out the motor a lot quicker than just the 40 amp one . I own the early 2023 wirde freedom and was very disapointed that the mid suspension didn't perform as expected it actually rubbed against the fender & controller box. When I complained to wired all they sent me was a replacement plastic controller box and nothing else . This will be my reasoning behind buying a 5 star , at least they satisfy the customer which wired has not made my 1 experience with them a repeatable one , I would be very hesitant to purchase anything from wired in the future cause once you've bought it your stuck . Also I have emailed wired and chatted several times , everyone in 2023 seemed to be Steve , funny thing is that all those Steves had different advise or suggestions .
I don't own a wired freedom, I have no dog in this fight. But when another reviewer (tail happy) got his bike, it came with a second Longer rear shock to address your problem and prevent the rub with the controller box. They have since gotten away from that TALL plastic box which housed the controller, and now have a lower profile controller for their bike. So, the problem you describe does not exist with the current versions. It would seem they responded to the earlier user complaints and made design changes to address it.
Both bikes are so similar using many of the exact same components the only difference being that ecells ships their bikes for free. Yet there's actually another highly competitive bike on the market for only $2199 for a Dual Battery, Dual Motor, full suspension , 35 mph capable for the Philodo Jumbo it peaks at 1500 watts per motor for 3000 watts total only negative is it's a 48 volt system
@@leetjohnson I actually own the single battery , hardtail version the Philodo H8 and can confirm it hits 35 mph on a fully charged battery. so the upgraded version should be just as fast
@@leetjohnson if you want video proof TailHappyTV aka JuicedJoyrides tested the exact model of bike I own a few months ago, check it out. the Jumbo model is brand new just a couple months old. my bike matches exactly everything TailHappy got in his tests
My friend has a wired and it wobbles and has had electrical issues. I have an Ecells with no issues at all. For Wired to ask 300+$ to ship to 70 miles away to Indiana is a joke.
Interesting. What kind of electrical issues is he having? Shipping to California is only $250. No wobbles on mine, but I have heard that some have that issue.
Last time I spoke to him he was trying to get a controller. I believe shipping with insurance was going to be 325(for me for the freedom) I got my Aventon it was beat up bad and I refused delivery. When I called wired and asked if I could drive over to buy, I was told they needed to check warehouse and would call me back which they never did. Anyways that's when I discovered Ecells. You do good videos, keep it up.
My only issue with my Wired Freedom is that the tires are low quality. I had constant flat tires from off road use and had to upgrade the tires. Since I upgraded I have not had an issue.
@@leetjohnson On my "other" 26X4 wheel bike, I went with the Innova Hybrid (thick Carcass) tires and Flat Out sealant. It brought all ride-ending leaks to a complete end. I live where goat head thorns are quite common, and would get more than one flat a month before I made this change. Now, if I get a goat head thorn in my tire, I pluck it out, and immediately ride the bike to allow the sealant to do its job. I maybe lose 1 pound of pressure before it seals. I highly recommend this combination for eBikes. The Innova is also a 30 PSI tire, which reduces rolling resistance. This means less battery juice needed to travel the same distance.
i use FlatOut (it trumps slime) and mr. Tuffy, the tannus makes No sense to me, they soften I er time & take much more energy to roll, as it's less round..
I like the wired frredom, but I see tons of issues being posted with these bikes, including the issues stated in this video. I think e- cells just have a more reliable built bike, and they give you more for less money. That is the only reason I am now going to purchase the e-cell instead of the wired. I like both bikes, though.
I own the 5STAR bike, and while it offers good performance, it has several issues. There is a persistent rattling noise, possibly coming from the kickstand. Additionally, the shipping process seems unreliable, and the motor is noisy. I received several damaged items, and the drivetrain and chain frequently malfunction. The bike is also quite heavy, and the seat stem has an unusual width. However, it does have a better frame and rear suspension than the wired model, and there are various customization options available. Unfortunately, the torque sensor does not function as expected. The most significant problem is the company itself. The owner's behavior is concerning - he has a history of legal issues a convict and questionable conduct, and there are serious allegations against him. Dealing with the company can be challenging. Considering all of this, I am hesitant to purchase another bike from this company, and I would advise potential buyers to be cautious.
The only aspect you may need to address is that E-Cells reached out to the motor manufacturer & their warranty applies up to a 40 amp controller. Going to a 45 amp controller would void their warranty. I definitely suggest you test the E-cells bike in order to make a proper comparison.
I've seen this argument posted a few times, and my thoughts on this are: if it's true that the motor manufacturer's warranty only covers up to a 40-amp controller and going up to 45 amps would void that warranty, Wired will still replace the motor at no cost to the customer under the terms of their own warranty. The manufacturer's warranty comes from the manufacturer, and that's for Wired to worry about. As a customer, my only concern is the warranty Wired provides to me. I own both a Wired Freedom and a Wired Cruiser, and my experience with them has been fantastic. They've always stood by their products, and I have no reason to doubt they'll replace any components covered under their warranty.
If hentach gave anyone info on wireds motor is this even legal? Or are you saying e cells motor? And are you saying its a fact the two motors are indeed the same?
@@leetjohnson which means wired freedom step through will probably be what I go with. I’ve heard some people talk about a “death wobble” have you noticed it?
@@leetjohnson a dual star? I’m so struggling on which to order. Frankly they are both out of my price range so financing it is but my e-bike I think one of the planetary gears in the motor is stripped because I have some grinding and skipping of power and biking is my therapy
I own an E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown 2 wheel drive, 2 batteries, dual suspension and MUCH more. I don't think WIRED makes a comparable bike in quality of features.
This is the comment I left on another channel regarding this feud. I'll preface it by stating ecells uses better components. I don't know who stole what from the other with the design. Regardless, both failed miserably with the rear suspension. EDIT START-The Owner/Operator of ecells has been clear that he designed these basic models for folks like senior citizens and those with some minor mobility issues that may struggle with a traditional bicycle on some terrain. He didn't necessarily intend the design to be used for regular single track use. My intent here isn't to throw shade on ecells. I want them to succeed and improve.-END EDIT. Ecells dual star owner here. I'm happy so far with my purchase, but I know that I will break the rear suspension and rear frame bars at some point. That said, I need to point out that the general design of the suspension on both the wired and ecells can be an inherently difficult system to design for rigidity if the designer isn't paying attention to best practices. I believe that both fall into the Horst Link (4-bar) category which has seen a lot of use and best practices evolution in design since the 90s. Getting that geometry to the point of basic non-binding "functionality" in autocad or solidworks is 5% of the total engineering challenge required to make a stable and robust system. All of those pivot points and the individual size/length/geometry of those materials and components linking them together is the design challenge. The pivot connections are more critical than anything else. If I'm being subjective, I think both ecells and wired missed the mark with the inception of this suspension design. Especially given the weight of the bike. All of the pivot connections need to be addressed. They are under-engineered for both bikes. It is unfortunate. All of the pivot points are suspect. One of the biggest design problems that I see with both of these bikes is the length of the rocker linkage connecting the shock to the rear seat stay. The distance between those two connection points is insanely long. That introduces so much more leverage and non linear stress and flex to an already under-engineered pivot construction. If you follow the evolution of MTB rear suspension, you will notice that those designs lead to the shortest rocker linkage possible to reduce those forces between pivot points. Note the suspension and frame changes with the new Ecells Triple Crown. It is clear that they are at least incrementally waking up to this. Personally, I think they should scrap their entire suspension design, but every one of their bikes should have those same changes exhibited in the Triple Crown at a minimum. These bikes are more motorcycle than bicycle. 100+ lbs. There is a reason that motorcycles don't use a Horst pattern suspension. Strength and safety. They need to go to a single point swing-arm and call it a day. Ugly, but it works.
Ecells with the Dual Battery and Dual Crown Air Adjustable Fork, with 7″ Large Headlight is a better deal however the new controller by wired that can make the freedom peak over 3000 watts makes it a difficult decision. 2 great companies that have made new standards for other companies to follow.
@@jfly2249Which bike currently is set up like that? Both are moving to the thru bolt. Wired i think anounced that detail first if you care but I've seen five stars online already with the thru axle so they're delivering it a couple months earlier. Whatever, another area where they copy EACHOTHER whenever one figures something out the other agrees is better.
@@jfly2249 I agree with you 100% but that's what I received from Wired back in February when I bought that particular model. My biggest concern is that it has a very noisy motor, rubbing sounds that are not normal. Mainly in third level. A bunch of people on here have said what a great owner that Steve is, that he is very accessible and he really cares about the customer. When I called up there about my problem the lady told me that Steve is super busy with meetings and other things and cannot possibly take every phone call. To make matters worse she wouldn't even speak to me about my motor issue or put me over to technical service. Just send us a video she said.. Easier said than done. I'm going to try to do this video somehow but this was a huge turn off for me.
Luv my blue Freedom, BUT, - them adding so many extras a cpl months later, make us feel like the Tesla owners getting screwed via lowering the cost. The Wired has nicer welds, but the ecells is a much more ridgid frame
I would love to see an unbais opinion. They clearly have infinitely more in common than different. It seems like maybe it would get more range, where the extra 5amps on the new wired would just let it go a little faster at the sake of range right? Just kind of a pick your flavor :)
One guy with a lengthy history in machine metal engineering and mechanical background, has both bikes. He was interviewd on another channel.. This guy tended to prefer the E Cells frame and rear suspension linkage more. Said it was a bit more sturdy.
I saw that. I don't own the Ecells so I can't say which is better, but I also don't ride my bike on switchbacks and haven't had any issues with any frame flex...yet.
I get a kick how the owners of Wired Freedom, to give themselves some level of credibility, claimed E-Cells 5 Star Copied Wired Freedoms Frame. Actually E-Cells 5 Star Copied the Super Monarch’s Frame that is also made by E-Cells. And E-Cells Super Monarch has been around for over 5 years. So the Wired Freedom and E-Cells 5 Star both Copied E-Cells Super Monarch Frame. Why is it a Crime for the same company to use the same Frame on more than one of its models of bikes. It seems the owners of Wired e-bikes started the rumor that the E-Cells 5 Star copied the Wired Freedoms Frame with their reviewers to give their company some credibility. Lying seems to be what the Lawyer Owners of Wired e-bikes do the Best. Just read their web site info.
I think interaction from a owner of a business is a great thing. It shows hes not a corperate bot. Freedom of speach should not be limited by others through shaming. Also, Theres no rule in youtube agreements that says if your a certain somebody, you cant express your opinnions lol. That being said, you did not mention that the owner of wired publicly and falsely/misleadingly advertised UL certification on their website causing numerous youtubers to falsely advertise the same false statement LoL. Or how about wired's bendy frame issue that is clearly unresolved for the older owners?
Of course you can express your opinions, but that doesn't absolve you from their consequences or ramifications. Him calling me a liar and then asking me to call him to shill his bike was not only unprofessional, but completely unnecessary, in my opinion. I also haven't mentioned his time in prison either. I can't mention every single thing about everyone in just one video. Thank you for your input, I do appreciate it!
@@leetjohnsonlet those who judge, also be judged. We live in a judgey judge world. Specially how sensitive the world has become. I also been to jail a life time ago, for beating up 6 sensitive idiots in a 6v1. Lol jk, don't judge me.
@@leetjohnson you should bring up his jail time. I heard it was a pretty horrible unjust situation that ruined his life. To overcome this and become a ceo of a company, I think is pretty resilient and remarkable. I corrected your dual star cost, can i say you were untruthful? I think he was trying to make contact with you but didnt know how to privately cause hes old lol, thats just my opinion.
@Goesriding you corrected my dual star cost? I posted the video screen shot of the price. Discount codes are not the same as advertised price. Not sure what you're getting at....
@@leetjohnson my bad. I read $2495 on screen in my brain while u were talking haha. You should mention the torque sensor upgrade. It's really the only real difference in riding these 2 bikes.
How much does it cost to buy 100k UA-cam subscribers? There are some influencers who absolutely have to be buying subscriptions from a troll farm. The one guy that seems connected to e cells is so incredibly bad and has so few views there is no way most of his subscribers are real.
Probably a guy who’s pretty good with computers. TailHappy has 100k subs but many millions of views. This guy is like one for one. He probably is also buying views for his videos. Really the worst, least knowledgeable and most biased “reviewer” I’ve seen.
You have 2.43 k subs with 434k views. Stay connected EV has 101k subs with 691k views. 😳Tailhappy has 103k subs with 34 Million views. Citizen Cycle has 43k subs with 7.9 million views. Stay connected EV is as fraudulent as e cells ex con owner😂😂😂
I think ecells top bike is around $5,500!!!! I would never spend that on a bike at that price might as well get a eride pro ss or surron,talaria ect ect but thats just my opinion ✌🏼
Ecells is clearly just chasing Wired. Competition is good, and Wired continues to innovate to stay ahead. I've loved every one of the hundreds of miles I put on my '24 Freedom. No need for post-purchase service so far but they replied quick when I asked for a sold-out t-shirt 🙂
Like buying a Magicycle pro when Ariel Rider came out with the Kepler.. People couldn't wait and got a magicycle instead of waiting for a few weeks to get a Kepler. Big mistake.
@@leetjohnson Now Goat bikes upgrading their bikes to go a bit faster. The Goat bikes may be a cheaper alternative for people thinking of a Graffiti X bike at $1,500 less.
@@JohnBabcock-qy1cs When discussing 40+ MPH bikes, the Goat is certainly worth including in the discussion. The only downside is it is less "bicycle looking" than either the eCells or the Wired Freedom. For some people, this can be important. I have to get past the gates on a Military base. I don't know how hard it will be to convince them the Goat is an eBike, as versus a "moped". If they deem it a moped, then it demands a tag and insurance to roll it onto a military base. It also requires the rider have a "motorcycle safety Foundation (MSF)" training certification as well.
Why should I buy either bike especially with regenerative brakes available to the masses really sad state of times Why all don't offer regenerative brakes recharge the battery😢 a little little or a lot, love you all and have a blessed day!!!!😂
Becuase you can only get regen on a direct drive motor. Geared hub motors have a lot more torque but are slightly less efficient and don't have regen. Depends if you plan to climb bigger steeper hills and want fast off the line power, or weaker, longer distance ability.
i like the look of the wired bike but there is a lot i like about the e-cells with the dual crown option. the good thing is this benefits the customer whichever one they get. the sad part is when things get ugly and politics get in the way based on brand - like ford versus chevy, microsoft versus apple, or a sports team versus another, etc. i think there may be more toxicity within the wired camp bashing people deciding on e-cells. just trying to get an objective perspective on things as a potential customer should not mark one as a “fanboy” of either brand. if you can afford it get both. but if you had to pick one, it should be based on informed decisions as a personal choice. not because there is only one way in life to do things right in life like a cult or a religion. but the customer should be happy with what they got and have excellent support o whichever one they end up choosing.
it's a timing thing, the ecells was introduced after the Wired (Luv my blue '24) then they added the upgrades & i plan to get the ecells with several options.
Are you sure? When? Where did you hear/see this information? Is the free shipping finally getting to him? I can't imagine he would do that right now with the battle between the two companies...
He posted in the ecells group on FB. But he’s not doing it to be greedy or charging for shipping. It’s due to a tariff thats being implemented on some Chinese imports in a few weeks, which is going to increase the cost of the bike.
@@nyclatinpapi Joe Biden is imposing new tariffs on some Chinese Imports. If it affects E-Cells it will affect all E-bikes imported from China which is just about all E-bikes. Thank You Joe Biden. Those that Vote for him are to blame!!!
E cells entire marketing strategy has been to copy, bad mouth and lie about Wired. The fact that these claims are coming from a convicted felon and proven liar should make everyone pause. Regardless, the new Wired bikes easily outperform the E cells with 1000 more watts, a true thru axle fork, and full UL compliance. The e cells only has a top speed of 36-37mph vs 41mph for the new Wired bikes. E cells also has a F rating with the BBB.
Do you get paid for your vitriol and disinformation, Mr. Jiffy? Ecells is an older company than wired, wired has been a copycat company up until they’re very last iteration.. and for the very first time they have an edge due to their controller. The fact that the owner has served time should not matter to you since you probably have as well or you’re just lucky that you haven’t been caught. To be honest with you my biggest problem with Ecells is their wrapping themselves in the Bible on their web site.
The gossip on the Ecells owner are very inaccurate & misleading. Before making comments about his past it is best to have the facts & confirm your sources.
Just a heads up. I ordered a wired freedom about 5 weeks ago. Then I saw a youtube interview of a guy that had both. And it pointed out wired stability issues left to right and rattling. And his difficulties getting it resolved. So I cancelled my order. The company politely said they would cancel and credit me. Then I got to thinking that maybe I should just stick with the Wired bike and give it a try. It seemed like a great value with the extra battery. So I emailed to see if I could reinstate my order or need to order again online. I get an email from the CEO stating that He has a policy that anybody that cancels an order is flagged and banned from ordering again! Holy cow! Can you imagine a company that bans all customers if you change your mind for a product that never even shipped in the first place! BTW, I went to find this youtube video that was very hard on the Wired Ebike and surprise, surprise. It disappeared! Maybe they got some type of financial resolution to take down the negative article. Something is not right about this Wired company and their business model or expertise. Glad I avoided any future problems.
Just look at Ecell's website and how jumbled and difficult it is to navigate. From my recollection, it also has spelling and or punctuation mistakes. So I could easily see the owner posting a comment filled with errors.
Battery replacements are too expensive. Battery life averages 2 years. I would rather replace a fuel filter for a couple of bucks then have to replace an expensive battery. Looks cool but can't judge a book by the cover.
Luckily I don't have to judge them by their cover. I've owned many ebikes over the years, the batteries last many years...no idea where you got the idea that the battery only lasts 2 years. My oldest bike is 7 years old and had over 4,000 miles on it, same battery that it came with. It has degraded a bit but still works fine.
Same bikes same parts,just fan boys and crazy ass car salesman Dave Clevland... both wobble from design, hellbender can help it but buying a Lyric will fix that issue lol.
If that is the actual owner of the ECELLS company, that's a pretty unprofessional comment to leave
That's exactly what I thought.
He trolls all the influencers & if he sees anything negative about his bikes he becomes belligerent. This is one reason I decided not to buy a Wired bike.
@rickbarber8399 you decided to not buy Ecells or Wired?
I did NOT buy the Wired bike & chose E-Cells.
Actually, that’s a selling point on probably 80% of the E bikes being sold right now. The fact that you’re trying to write it off as if it’s insignificant paying $250 in shipping plus paying taxes? That is a big bite.. and guess what for the amount of difference that it would cost me to get the wired delivered to my door I could get the E-cells And a bigger controller.
I went with the Dual Star package on the 5 Star. RST guide fork is good but that dual crown fork is amazing stability, ride quality, and durability combined with a streamlined dual battery package that Ecells has perfected over years of experience for $500. Are you kidding me? Then I call Ecells myself and the owner answers my questions personally and responds to my questions and concerns in the group. Ecells is a family and I am grateful to be a part of it! Thanks for the great info! Look forward to your comparison of both great bikes!
That's great!! I'm so glad to hear you have had an amazing experience. I definitely want to get the Dual Star soon!!
The dual crown fork offered by e cells is not a thru axle and is just for looks. The RST with a thru axle is a much more robust and is a safer fork than the e cell branded one.
@@jfly2249The 1st few Ecell bikes that were sent out had the quick release front axle. They changed all bikes moving forward to the through axle for safety reasons. The dual crown fork has more travel, is more stable, and offers a whole other level of ride quality. Especially off road. In 5 years they have had no issues other than a few warranty issues on wrecked bikes or from being synched all the way down in trucks with tie straps. The dual crown is an awesome fork!
@@jfly2249 Once again lies...E Cells not only has nuts and bolts and its axle, they even provide us with a wrench...You are seriously clueless
This is the comment I left on another channel regarding this feud. I'll preface it by stating ecells uses better components. I don't know who stole what from the other with the design. Regardless, both failed miserably with the rear suspension.
EDIT START-The Owner/Operator of ecells has been clear that he designed these basic models for folks like senior citizens and those with some minor mobility issues that may struggle with a traditional bicycle on some terrain. He didn't necessarily intend the design to be used for regular single track use. My intent here isn't to throw shade on ecells. I want them to succeed and improve.-END EDIT.
Ecells dual star owner here. I'm happy so far with my purchase, but I know that I will break the rear suspension and rear frame bars at some point. That said, I need to point out that the general design of the suspension on both the wired and ecells can be an inherently difficult system to design for rigidity if the designer isn't paying attention to best practices. I believe that both fall into the Horst Link (4-bar) category which has seen a lot of use and best practices evolution in design since the 90s.
Getting that geometry to the point of basic non-binding "functionality" in autocad or solidworks is 5% of the total engineering challenge required to make a stable and robust system. All of those pivot points and the individual size/length/geometry of those materials and components linking them together is the design challenge. The pivot connections are more critical than anything else. If I'm being subjective, I think both ecells and wired missed the mark with the inception of this suspension design. Especially given the weight of the bike. All of the pivot connections need to be addressed. They are under-engineered for both bikes. It is unfortunate.
All of the pivot points are suspect. One of the biggest design problems that I see with both of these bikes is the length of the rocker linkage connecting the shock to the rear seat stay. The distance between those two connection points is insanely long. That introduces so much more leverage and non linear stress and flex to an already under-engineered pivot construction.
If you follow the evolution of MTB rear suspension, you will notice that those designs lead to the shortest rocker linkage possible to reduce those forces between pivot points.
Note the suspension and frame changes with the new Ecells Triple Crown. It is clear that they are at least incrementally waking up to this. Personally, I think they should scrap their entire suspension design, but every one of their bikes should have those same changes exhibited in the Triple Crown at a minimum.
These bikes are more motorcycle than bicycle. 100+ lbs. There is a reason that motorcycles don't use a Horst pattern suspension. Strength and safety.
They need to go to a single point swing-arm and call it a day. Ugly, but it works.
Had the freedom for a year now and love it. Had a few issues but the staff helped so much and no more issues. Thinking hard about the newest version. I am a 250lbs cyclist that drives it hard. Wired has been a fantastic company to me that I would buy from again.
Awesome! I have had a great experience too and weigh about 225lbs. Thanks for sharing!!
I think you are one of the more straight up and tell it like it is guys. Just my opinion, and trust whatever comes your way and your experiences with them.
Enjoying something now vs hoping for something new later seems the best way to describe what I see in your vids.
Thanks for your honesty
I really appreciate that! Thank you!!
Looking at the Wired Predator & E-cells Kings crown. Im back & forth not sure what to get
@@bdub3871 You probably can't go wrong either way!
I was considering the Wired strongly and then ended up going with the ECells - I am also local over in folsom. I need to build the bike as it just got here last night. If you wanna check out the ecells in person feel free to contact me. You can do a hands on.
Awesome, I appreciate that! Let me know how the assembly goes!!
So far I passed 1500 miles on my Wired Freedom, and it's holding up really good. May need to look at changing the brakes soon and I might change the tires soon but it's riding good!
I also got into a head on crash with a biker that was not paying attention and was driving on the wrong side of the trail around a corner yesterday. I couldn't avoid him and we crashed. It was go into the trees or stay my course. But is perfectly fine, it's a tank. I think he it the front tire first which protected the rest of the bine. Bent fender and chip of paint on the front that I touched up with paint. Bike still rides good as new!
@@harrypotterwizz14 that's awesome! I'm glad you and the bike are ok!
Appreciate your video and wanted to put in my two cents. I went to the Wired site to purchase the Freedom a couple of months ago. I put my order in the cart and believe, if I remember correctly, that I put in all my information and credit card number. It was then and only then that I saw the $275 (?) shipping charge. It is their prerogative to do business as they wish, but I thought that was not at all cool and I canceled my order. I have a Five Star on the way for $300 less and I don't plan on riding 40 MPH so I don't think I will miss the extra 5 amps the Freedom has if that indeed is the case. Bottom line for owners of either bike is whether you are satisfied and enjoying your purchase. If so then all the other drama doesn't really matter.
I agree 100% and think that both bikes are amazing products that have very few competitors in their class.
Thank you for mentioning the battery movement, I have the 2024 wired with 1200 miles on it, before that I had a ride1up 500 series with 11,000 miles on it, the battery movement on the ride1up shorted out the battery connection after about 5000 miles, I replaced it through ride1up and started using a mini-ratchet strap to further tighten the battery down. I used the same mini ratchet strap on the wired when I got it because I noticed the same potential issue. really appreciate all your videos, thanks.
You're welcome!
My 2024 Freedom was ordered in APR & was due to ship at end May, then postponed for the bonuses till end June. When it showed up the UPS man asked me to help get off truck its so heavy. The top of the box was ripped off from middle to 1 end with many holes along sides. It looked like a bear attacked it. When I opened it up I immediately saw many scratches in paint. I was bout to put together when I noticed no tool for handlebars or manual to put this together. So I went on their chat help & in the end it came missing manuals, tool,2nd battery charger, touch up paint, headlight, & PEDALS... so they send me the accessory box which took 4 days (mind you I took my vaca from work for the day of the delivery) & its missing the touch up paint. From this point on the Wired customer service chat was unhelpful & rude. I asked them how the batteries work is it frame batt till drained then rear kicks in? & they said it was a 'blendid' function that draws off both... So I told them that i purposely drained my batt to 60% on display & when went to charge both only the rear was at 60% while frame batt was 100%, so its not blending.... I like to pedal so I turn the motor options off (set to 0) & quickly found out that gears 1-6 make the chain skip on every rotation... They told me to take it to a bike shop for a derailer adjustment or watch a youtube vid on how do it myself...2400.00+shipping & this is the product I got & customer service to go with it FUCK WIRED
@mugaunra8869 That's really a bummer, thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate your honesty.
I have the 2024 Wired Freedom Gen 1 also. I also removed my fenders. I have been very happy with bike other than some overheating issues. However, I think the 2024 Wired Freedom Gen 2 is a major step up. I haven't seen anything on the Wired site but I am hoping there will be an upgrade path offered for the Gen 1 owners, especially since it was out for short time. I would love to see an option to purchase the Gen 2 power train for your Gen 1.
That would be awesome if they added an option to upgrade!
I went with ecells with the dual star package as it seems to be a better value to me, plus they have 24 inch wheels as a free option. Which is ideal for shorter people.
That's awesome, thank you for sharing your experience, I really appreciate it! Ecells definitely has a lot of options to customize their bikes!
I'm still waiting on my 5 star i did a lot of research and settled with the 5 star.
When did you order it? Do you know when it will arrive??
@@leetjohnson ordered it may 2nd and I talked with David FedEx already has it.
I ordered my 5 star and they mailed it out that day.
both are strong bikes but i'm going with Ecells they have more options on customizing your order to fit what you want and the quality parts makes it even better
@imezryou2002 right on! The E-Cells looks like a great bike!
@@leetjohnson yes they both great i've went back and forth trying to decide which I want i can say it's a hard choice, i only wish E-cells was not so high when adding on extra features
Did extensive research on both E-Cells & Wired since Feb/March 2024. And from what was able to glean was that both were VG rides. What "sealed the deal" for me, was that E-Cells S/H charge to Hawaii was included in the price! Also, after inquiring about the final price, one of the staff called me back,
@@harrymiram6621 that"s awesome! I'm surprised EC would ship all the way to Hawaii for no additional charge!
Solor Surron Great video, I just want to say that we appreciate your logical unbiased commentary on this subject.
There seems to be so much crap flying around on both sides . Which makes it very confusing for people to figure out what is the truth of the matter?
Since I own a 2024 freedom, I can tell you exactly what people are referring to about the rear suspension Arm.
If you notice in CC’s video you can clearly see the added shims in the suspension arm on the new White freedom.
I really didn’t notice much of a problem on my bike until I added a second battery on the rack, then it became extremely obvious. That’s when I made and installed Specer shims to make the suspension arm more rigid, and it helped immensely.
You can also notice that the
E-cells bike comes with the same shims already installed.
The five star frame design has been out for five years and they have had plenty of time to figure out the bugs and addressed them accordingly.
This would also explain why their bike already comes with a potted controller to address heat issues.
Can’t wait to see future clarification videos from your channel. Thanks.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!!
agreed, any rack weight = wobbles, i'm going to beef it up fairly easily, then hopefully my neighbor buys this freedom & i can get a pimped out 5 star with extras, only because i plan to make it into a 2-wheeled F-350 & make a HD trailer for it, the e-cells frame is Much stronger looking, but the Wired fab & welds are as sexy as a Ducati, Cheers to all..
What is a Specer shim? We are having serious wobble, both hands on bars, while going up and down the mountain roads leading in and out from our home. We need help to fix the wobble.
what's the most narrow non knobby tire you can go with on this bike? i really don't want a fat tire bike but if i could shrink them a bit would be nice
@benhartland4708 theoretically, you could go as thin as you want....26x 2 would be really funny looking with the wide front fork, but I don't think there would be an issue with it.
amazing job on the review and thank you for objectivity
@@supergrover7883 Thank you!!
Regardless of which bike is "better" it would be valuable for me to know how the added torque sensor is on a 24" wheel E-Cells bike.
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from what ive seen they are both excellent ebikes
@@freightdawg6762 100%!!
Hey Solar, it’s been a few months now. Any additional information on the comparison lately?
@rvboondocker2559 I'm still waiting for the Wired to show up, the company said they would be sending it soon...stay tuned!
I spoke with them today and they said things ship in two business days.
@@rvboondocker2559 Awesome!!
I tried purchasing two of the ECELLS. They were on order for 2 and a half months and they could not deliver. They had no problem taking $5,000 up front for products they could not deliver. When I asked for an eta they could not provide one so I canceled. It was very difficult getting my money back. The customer service was extremely poor as well. All the reviews I saw on line were good, unfortunately my experience was anything but. I will be ordering the new Furious Road Warrior Ultimate. The Wired bike would probably be a good option as well.
@@gregb878 Interesting, thank you for sharing your experience. I'm sorry you had to wait so long, only to be disappointed and not get what you ordered.
They still have an old Yahoo email attached to their website.
Which causes me to wait a week for a response i would never receive😒...... and now they don't offer the customizable options via the website but can be done via phone, which is kinda throwing up yellow flags for me. Im not at red flags levels yet but it does have me back in the marker looking for another potential company to buy from.
@@latrellsolomon I would definitely look at different options if possible. When you call to place an order you get someone immediately. I talked to the owner and explained that if they had taken a deposit I would not have canceled the orders, but after 2-1/2 months I didn't feel comfortable not knowing how much longer it would take. I was told the only information was that they were still in China. It looks like Wired has bikes ready to ship. The new Fabulous Road Warrior Ultimate will ship around November, but they only require a deposit.
Honest. Thanks. I have the same bike as you and it’s fabulous. The light is dumb, and they know it but haven’t done anything to fix it really. It does rattle on bumps and it’s super annoying. I’m tempted to get the new Wired. However, it’s HEAVY! And I don’t really need the range and so forth. I live near the place that you can pick it up. It’s not a store front or factory. It’s just a rented warehouse with a few other companies in it. There is no sign or dedicated office space that you would otherwise expect. It’s just a place to get your bike. They have a small isle where the assembled bikes are waiting. E-Cells had me at first but there upgrade menu is to complicated for a simple guy like me, although I do have a PhD. Just too many options.
Interesting!! Thanks for all the info, I really appreciate it!
What do ya’ll think about if I buy a “dual star” five star e-cells bike, and do a std. large wheel on the front and a 24” on the back, “mullet” style. I’m 5’5 and ride on the road, but also do desert sandy-type trails sometimes. Or should I just buy it in the 24” all around? There is a $300 up charge to change to 24”. Any ideas appreciated.
I don't know if it would be worth the $300 for just one wheel to be smaller, but do what makes ya happy!!
I live in Montana, so there is no tax and I did not buy the insurance either! My bike came in perfect condition and the box was almost perfect.
Was that the Wired Freedom?
@@leetjohnson yes! I'm loving it! I also have the Bee Cool Adventure and the AR Grizzly.
“Overheating Issues”!!!
Who came out with the Gel Filled Potted Controller to address the Problem of Overheating???? I don’t think it was Wired.
Who has Not had a problem with Overheating in their Dual Motor, Dual Battery Bikes???
I haven't had any overheating g issues with my Wired Freedom, but I am glad they have potted the new 45 amp controller for the new Wired Freedom.
@@leetjohnson
It looks like the terrain you ride your bike does Not Challenge the bike. It is like testing the Wired freedom on a merry-go-round!!!!
@@SarahJane-y1p it's a cruiser style bike, not a downhill bike.
Wired has a automatic cut-out to protect the motor, E-cells bike allows the temperature to rise to a temperature that will burn out the components in the motor.
Comparing both bikes at the moment. A big shocker was Ecells $300 "tariff" fee if you want to add any upgrades! I priced it with the $500 fork/extra battery/bigger headlight option, a better rear shock, and gold wheels and it was over $3K.
Yeah, it's a bummer they have to add that fee already. If you decide to get the Wired Freedom, I'd appreciate it if you used the link in the video description box, it really helps out this channel!
Me too and I bought the Wired instead.
Does the new bike have 2771UL certified batteries?
Good question.....I'll have to find out, not sure.
The 2024+ Wired Freedom to my front door was $2444.70 with the new through axel RST Guide forks. The Five Star with the bigger better brakes too, in rack battery, More suspension travel dual crown forks, Stronger double walled gold anodized rims, AND the optional torque sensor, in gorgeous Monarch Blue, $ 2543.00 ! FYI also, I could NOT find a dual crown fork to fit the new 135mm through axel front hub! Which would have been an extra $300 if I could find one to fit. Both dan at Wired and Brian at Citizen Cycle told me adding a torque sensor will require a different controller and will be very costly and difficult to get through. So guess which bike will arriving at my door by the end of June ? Looks like I will Get to see first hand how my modified 2024 Freedom stacks up next to the new 5 Star E-bike.
Right on. Thanks for sharing!!
It amazed me how many WIRED guys, and gals, have bought the Five Star with the new bigger better DUAL STAR package. Most have said that if I'm going with dual battery, I'm going with Ecells since they have 5 years experience in dual battery bikes.
What about the $300 tariff add-on? It's actually closer to $2850.
@@FatYokel Already Bought and payed for .
Should be here soon.
Just got lucky…
I can't find this information any where. Does the Wired Freedom come with double wall rims?
I don't think that it does....however just to make sure, I would message the company on their website via the chat box. They are fairly quick to respond.
Check your front Cup and Cone bearings as I did.I was shocked to see the pre load over tightened and very little grease in the cups.Also there is one less ball bearing on the side of the brake rotor and the cups are the same size on each side.Called the company and they said they will have to check on this.There is room for another ball but maybe there is a reason for this,All the cup and cone bearings I seen,All the balls are snug with little room between them.
Thanks for the heads up!
I was looking at the ecell bike and I saw that you to pay like extra to unlock the whole thing is that true or did I misread it because I’m getting either a wired or e cells
I don't think you have to pay anything extra, you just go into the menu settings and set it to the highest level.
@@leetjohnson What is better your opinion I'm buying one tonight
@Wildtuff they are both great options. If you want the dual batteries, the Wired Freedom will be cheaper. If you do get the Wired, I have a link in the video description that helps out this channel if you decide to get one, I'd really appreciate it! Wither way, let me know what you decide!
Like that all black color
@@bdub3871 Me too!!
Oh boy, where do I start. I have over 1700 miles on my 2024 Freedom now, with zero issues so far. I love it. I also have a decked-up Dual Star on order from E cells. Probably won't get it until July. E Cells is a great company and Dave Cleveland is a great guy who REALLY CARES about his customers and is a bit of a fanatic about his products. He may go too far sometimes in the cause of protecting his brand but i think it's coming from a good place. Competition can be brutal and margins are slim. As long as people get all the correct information that they need in order to make an informed decision and they don't get sucked into that rabbit hole of which brand is better, they should be happy with the bike they end up buying.
Great perspective, and thanks for your input, I REALLY appreciate it!
Very well stated.
It is suspicious that he just did over 10 years in prison then got out and started an ebike company. Now he is lieing about his competition because he is a "fanatic" and "protecting his company". Competition is always good but that owner is a goofy.
@@stopcantstopwont9539 That's exactly the rabbit hole I spoke of. I believe in second chances and in looking at facts with an unbiased eye.
Didnt he get a second chance in jail already?? You shouldn't act like that towards your competitors let alone a youtuber. Tbh his rep was trashed when I started reading other posts... what a interesting way to create hype for your ebike. He needs to let the people decide. Also Drag raceing them was the best idea yet!
I have a 2024 Wired Freedom and on more than one occasion the chain has popped loose from the chainring. Do you know if purchasing a 130mm BCD 56T Chainring guard will solve the problem? It looked like it might do the job but if so, I will probably need bike technician to install it for me. Not having to worry about chain coming off would make my riding experience a lot more pleasant!
I think it would help a lot. I've been considering getting one myself. Let me know how it goes!
Looks like I may have found an answer to my question. There is a portion of the frame that's only about 1/8" or less from the chain teeth on the chainring. Adding a chainring guard would extend it out 1/8" or possibly a little more, resulting in a interference fit. Unfortunately it seems the frame design on this bike does not lend to the use of a chainring guard. Is a bit of a annoyance when getting on of off the bike, if I bump something wrong or back pedal the chain can occasionally come off.
@randym8529 That is unfortunate, thanks for the info! Luckily putting the chain back on is an easy, quick fix...but annoying.
@@leetjohnson Yes, the chain issue seems to occur for me occasionally when getting on or off. Pretty sure I can avoid by positioning pedals right! I was out for a long ride yesterday and it was fun. Think I have most of my settings right for me. Only thing I could improve is possibly a little less surge when throttle is activated accidentally (just a little) while riding. Probably just a minor setting change
Wired Freedom 2024 V2 best right now
@alex_455 I think so too!
The so-called "death wobble" with the wired freedom only happens when there is weight put on the back rack. Citizen cycle spells this out in one of his videos. The newer 2024s come with a second battery that is nested in the rack which is enough to do it. I have one of those second batteries in my Wired Freedom and it, sure-enough, does it too. It only happen however, if you try to ride with no hands, which is not recommended anyway with such a beast of a bike. FYI. Great video! Thank you!
@@tubecoatue thank you for sharing your experience, I appreciate it!
😎 Looking forward to your + video(s)
Awesome, stay tuned!! Thanks for watching!!
Very interesting video.. I cannot speak about either of these bikes as I own one Wallke Cruiser and a Magicycle Cruiser.
Will wait for your video on the Ecells bike.
Stay tuned, and thanks for watching!!
Is it only me that loves both bike. I wish both bikes have a baby i can buy lol. Personally if the ecell 5 stars came with dual battery, id have gotten it but i opted for the wired instead. Everything came out to 2274. But the dual battery option is not available to the regular 5 stars. You have to get the dual star for 2695 [2595 with 100$ coupon off] even though its with more accessories and upgrades. But hey. If this is what both companies are giving us now, who know what their competition might give us in like 3-4 years. Glad to see 2 companies pushing themselves and WE get to benefit by having 2 outstanding options to choose from.
@@skyewalter2875 I agree 100%!!
This is a tough decision for me because Wired Freedom is the performance choice with more torque with that 45A controller, no water bottle mount but can be shunt modded compared to Ecells is more of a reliable choice with solid frame, water bottle mount, potted controller and can special order a 24 inch wheelset for example.
@@MisterSal9895 it is a tough decision! I don't think you can really go wrong with either one.
@@MisterSal9895 if you do decide to go with the Wired Freedom, I'd appreciate it if you could use the link in the description box of this video, it really helps out this channel!
I have the same version Wired Freedom as you have and love it. I was a bit disappointed when the new Freedom came out 4 months after I got mine. However, I was interested in seeing if it was worth upgrading and looked for videos and thats when I also saw eCells videos, and then comparing them on their respective websites. I came to the same conclusions as you did. Wired has a slight power advantage, eCell has more customizability.
But the main thing that steers me to Wired Freedom is the contentious nature of the eCell guy trying to one up himself by disparaging Wired Freedom.
The old guy trying to sell that death wobble story, but I aint buying it, maybe someone who is yet to buy and/or ride a Wired Freedom might buy it cuz they don't know any better. The Citizen Cycle channel did a video on the "wobble" he shook the handlebar of several ebikes even hardtail bikes and they all wobble when you find the right frequency, even hardtail bikes, (even eCell). Anyhow, if your exaggerating and hard selling like a used car salesman I start getting suspicious. eCells attitude turns me off.
@@booobtooober right on! Thanks for your input, I agree!
First off thanks for your honest perspectives on these bikes. While both companies make what looks like very similar bikes, I ordered the Wired Cruiser because I wanted a step thru this time and the Wired seemed like the best deal. I also prefer the look of the Wired. My only reservation was not the shipping cost to receive the bike but the idea that if there are any warranty issues, I will have to pay for the shipping on those as well. I understand they are not a large company that can eat the cost of shipping like a big box or large on line retailer, it is just something I hope I will not have to do. I must admit though, that I made my decision on my purchase before seeing the post by the Ecells owner here or anything about his past but what did put me off is their need on their web site to inform me of their religious views. I do not care to know what someones religion is or what their beliefs are and if they feel the need to tell me, I tend to go the other way, to each his own.
Thanks for sharing! You're gonna love the bike!!
Hey buddy I really enjoy your videos, I ordered 2 of these last night for my wife and I. Im a bigger guy around 250 right now and was considering purchasing a seatpost with suspension in it. What are your thoughts on it, and what would the difference be between the sp17-ncx and the sp25-ncx. Also any QoL mods youd reccomend for the bikes.
@Apahona right on! To be honest, I don't think a seat post with suspension is really necessary for this bike. I would wait until you ride it first and then, if you still want a suspension seat post, buy it at that point.
I am interested in both companies.. I like that they are competing and both companies are coming out with better products.. I will say that the Wired Cruiser now has full suspension and looks pretty good..
I am in the Rockies.. A couple things that I am waiting for is a mid-drive torque senser with carbon gates belt drive and a geared hub... Also regenerative braking.. With a throttle that would work if there was any belt issues.. It would have to come with puncture resistant tires.. I think I live about 10 miles from the mountains.. It would be nice to do 10 miles of riding in the mountains so I would need a range of about 40 miles..
With how fast the ebike market is changing I am sure it won't be long before there is a bike that comes with all of this stuff..
Things are definitely changing quickly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of those things soon. As far as I know, regen is only possible on direct drive motors, not geared hub motors.
@@leetjohnson Thank you.. I will keep my eyes and ears open..
Your comment is spot on and wise!!!
@@mfgxl Thank you
I paid 2105 with tax for pick up for a new wired cruiser.... Ecells is like 600 more then that because there cruiserdual is 2600. Also it ships in at the end of the summer way later.
I saw 2,495 on their website?
@leetjohnson IT IS 2095$ for the cruiser from ecells. Add the 500$ dual battery plus the 100$ added tourqe sensor. That comes out to $2694.
@stopcantstopwont9539 oh I see, you're talking about the cruiser. My bad.
I'm going with the e cells, two-year warranty a lot of options I live in Nevada not too far from Pahrump so I can actually go there, I'm also 6 foot 5 and I need the 19 inch frame... Seems like wired as a good bike but all the reviews that I see are people that own it already.
Ecells is a solid option!!
Solar,
I believe you live in the Folsom, Ca area. If you can make the drive to So. Calif., E-Cells and David Cleveland will be at the Electrify Expo in Long Beach June 1 and 2. Your chance to Test Ride E-Cells line of bikes and meet David Cleveland. Could be a Great Connection for you. I don’t think the owners of Wired Truly Appreciate the hard work you have put in promoting their product.
Solar, You do one of the Best jobs on the internet evaluating E-bikes and putting out valuable information. Your video on Watts, Volts, and Amps was Truly useful in understanding the relations to E-bikes.
Most critics of E-Cells, The 5 Star, and David Cleveland have never ridden the bike or met David Cleveland in person. Now is Your chance.
You may be Surprised!!!
Enjoy The Expo!!!!
That sounds like an awesome opportunity! Thank you for the kind words as well, I really appreciate it! I am originally from Southern California (North San Diego area) and will be going down to San Diego for 2 weeks at the end of June, but unfortunately I will miss the June 1st date for Long Beach. I would love to meet Dave and ride the Ecells 5 Star. I'm sure it is an amazing bike since so many people love it!
@@leetjohnson this is a spam account FYI.. they posted same thing on around 20 infliuencers videos
Why do you say that when in fact E-cells will be at the Electrified Expo?
@@rickbarber8399 Because the account is spamming groups and the person is not representative of E-Cells.
@@StayConnectedEV You're posting about the Top comment being from a spam account, right?
Ecells or Wired? I think what anyone chooses is subjective and I find the bashing of competition annoying and appreciate this unbiased review..whichever you like this competition is good for us consumers..both need to say on thier toes
@@Jeffapperson I agree!!
Very informative video! I also recently ordered the Wired Crusier+ in black with delivery in mid to late June. If you order now, the delivery date for the Crusier+ is now mid to late July. Which Wired did you order, the Freedom+ or the Cruiser+? Both Wired and Ecells are excellent choices, just a matter of personal preferences. Looking forward to your reviews on your future new Wired+!!!
100%! I will be getting the Freedom+ model.
I just received an email update from Wired stating that the 2024 Crusier+ will ship in mid to end of July instead of June due to re-programming issues. That's OK with me, Wired getting it right and well worth the extra month wait.
$2,095.00 E-Cells 2025 Five Star ll E-Bike™ 1500w 60v 20AH total price includes shipping! I love the 24 inch tires with gold rims are so bad ass! and huge headlight. I think E-CELLS Have better quality batteries. I decided on E-CELL MY CHOICE
@@royglover415 that's awesome!!
I have the new version but mine shakes much, at around 15mph if i don't hold the handles tight it shakes so bad. And yeah the fenders rattle other than that power and range is there
@@JR-nh4fi did you get the Visco headset with it?
@@leetjohnson no is that a solution? Really just want it for saftey happened when i wanted to drink water
@JR-nh4fi they are now providing the headset to stabilize the bars on all of the new ebikes. If you reach out to them, they should be able to ship you one for free.
I would love to see a 3 bike drag race. The Wired Freedom 2024+, eCells 5 star (dual battery), and Motor Goat v3 (dual battery). Have two races with them. The first a flat-land race, and the second a hill-climb race.
This will settle (for now) who is the true king of the hill. People can then compare price, and decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
That would be epic!!
He's a deal. New 2024 Wired to trade for a 4 piston Tektro FIVE STAR. Straight up, I pay shipping for your bike. Must be new and no issues. One only.
Then we can have that race. Goat will have to send me one. If we can get a wired guy to come to SF Electrify Expo we can have that race, hill climb test, and acceleration tests. Goat will be there with us in SF. Will be fun. I know who will win. Do you?
@@e-cells2222 I would not wager a bet on that race. It will be close. My Goat arrived two days ago, and I am still getting the feel for it.
I think that the reasonable approach would be with all three equipped with dual battery, as with that second battery the controller can deliver more amps with less voltage sag.
I am beginning to wonder if Goat Power Bikes did a 1960's style motor specification fudge (various car companies lowered their advertised ratings on cars like the Mustang, to allow them to race in a lower class). I know for a fact the 2600 Watt max wattage on the Goat is a "reduced rating", and I suspect the Torque figure is fudged as well.
This is a lot of back and forth from two small E-bike companies, I would be surprise if either one was a top 20 manufacturers in the US. But I like the Ecells because of the gold rims, black with gold rims looks sharp!!!!
They definitely aren't top 20 in bikes, but maybe top 20 in ebikes at this point...
@@leetjohnson Rad Power is number one and they sell 600,000 bikes a year, Lectric maybe 500,000. Combined do you think they sell 10,000?
@@UncleJam5624 I said top 20
@UncleJam5624 If I was to guess, I would say probably 10k last year for Wired, and I would assume probably closer to 50k this year...but that's just my best guess. They are gaining popularity exponentially, while Rad is falling behind from what they used to have in market share...
I have looked into both and to be honest imo the only reason why ecells doesnt charge for shipping is because by the time you get the little extras their bike is way over the asking price so honestly both bike probably come out even in the end but the new wired comes with 2 batteries and upgrades at the same price as the old where as ecells does not and wants an additional 3 or 4 hundred for another one....im getting a wired....especially since I'm in chicago 😁
All fair points! If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you use the link in this video description box. It really helps out this channel!! Let me know how you like the bike!!
@@leetjohnson I definitely will man! And you got me as a sub!!!!👍🏻✌🏼
@@scu-dub Thank you so much!!
Thanks for your video on these bikes. Your videos have always been great and very informative. I have a 2024 Green Wired Freedom and absolutely love it, customer service has been incredible as well! It's interesting to see people get so wound up over the two companies. I believe when someone copies your design it's the ultimate compliment to your company! The consumer is the ultimate winner here as there will always be more competition yet to come. I really think there are people losing sleep over whether they bought the right bike, really 😂 Great to see Wired update their bikes again and see the response. Looking forward to your upcoming test with a possible 3,000 watts stock, out of the box!!
I agree with everything you said! Stay tuned for the new Wired Freedom + review and maybe even an Ecells vs Wired comparison video soon!
Good take on this topic! Not to big on ecells myself but I know that both bikes are nearly identical! Really no reason to talk about why this or that destroys the other I’m staying with my purchase with the freedom and I am just excited to get out there and use it!
I agree 100%!
@@leetjohnson absolutely! Once I get this bike my plan is to get the Topek bag and adapter an add that to my new bike because it is so inconvenient having to carry things while I’m riding and braking at the same time
@undergroundcreeper7997 right on! If you do decide to buy a Freedom, I'd really appreciate it if you used the link in this video description box, it helps out this channel a lot!
@@leetjohnson it’s ok I’ve already made my purchase earlier in the week but thank you for asking
@@CNclov2005 right on!
Thanks for your efforts in making these videos. I like your attitude! Im sorry so many people, from all camps, are so tribal, like you were saying about them acting as if they have a vested interest, when really they are providing free marketing, but worse is how they go so hard to defend companies they dont have intimate knowledge about, other than what has been presented to them, ie marketed. Id say both Wired and Ecells are decent outfits, who of course are trying to make money, but also take a measure of pride in their product... I dont see they reason for all the tribal conflict.
Anyway, dont let the chronically angry stop you from putting out your videos, as they would be missed, however, Im not too worried about that as you handle them well, calling out the clownshoes when needed, but mostly letting there vitriol roll right off your shoulders!
I really appreciate this comment! Thank you so much!
Solar, you need to Promote the Electrify Expo in Long Beach. Like You, some of your followers may not be aware of it and may be able to attend. If you go you could meet up and see them face to face.
I will definitely have to make a video about it!
I have the Jen to 2024 early version wired freedom and only have about 300 miles on it. I have a grinding sound coming from the motor and pedal assist mode to and higher sounding like a bearing going out. I spoke to wired, and they asked me to send an audio recording of the sound, so I did. They told me that sound is normal operation of the bike and it is the metal sandwich of the nylon gear in the motor. That doesn’t sound right to me though? Have you or anyone else experienced this issue?
Mine does make a little bit of a light grinding sound, especially after about 20 minutes and it is warmed up. It hasn't caused any issues, just sounds a little bit noisy. As far as I know, that is from the metal gears over the nylon, as solid nylon are quieter, but don't last as long. I think they figured the extra noise was worth it. Very similar to my rc cars with nylon vs metal spur gears.
The CEO of E-cells reminds me of a snakey used car salesman. To leave comments like that is unprofessional and is a turn off for me on the E-cells brand. I ended up buying a new Wired Freedom and should be delivered at the end of June. With very similar bikes it came down to trust for me and honestly i don't trust that guy or his company.
Yeah, it definitely put me off when he said that. It's just totally unnecessary, in my opinion.
I feel the same way. I have a Freedom on order, I'm in NC and they didn't charge me any sales tax, with a $50 discount code, I'm all in at $2149 for the new Freedom Plus.
@@stoffel6348 Awesome!!
More like a used mobile home salesman. He sold manufactured homes before Jail. He might live in a double wide.
To be fair, he is a proud business owner. I get that, but running down someone who predates your product gets old. Let the product speak for itself.
I have a 24 Freedom, haven't had an issue and am quite satisfied.
I've heard that the 45 amp controller can burn out the motor a lot quicker than just the 40 amp one . I own the early 2023 wirde freedom and was very disapointed that the mid suspension didn't perform as expected it actually rubbed against the fender & controller box. When I complained to wired all they sent me was a replacement plastic controller box and nothing else . This will be my reasoning behind buying a 5 star , at least they satisfy the customer which wired has not made my 1 experience with them a repeatable one , I would be very hesitant to purchase anything from wired in the future cause once you've bought it your stuck . Also I have emailed wired and chatted several times , everyone in 2023 seemed to be Steve , funny thing is that all those Steves had different advise or suggestions .
Interesting! Thank you for the information, I appreciate it!
I don't own a wired freedom, I have no dog in this fight. But when another reviewer (tail happy) got his bike, it came with a second Longer rear shock to address your problem and prevent the rub with the controller box. They have since gotten away from that TALL plastic box which housed the controller, and now have a lower profile controller for their bike. So, the problem you describe does not exist with the current versions. It would seem they responded to the earlier user complaints and made design changes to address it.
Both bikes are so similar using many of the exact same components the only difference being that ecells ships their bikes for free. Yet there's actually another highly competitive bike on the market for only $2199 for a Dual Battery, Dual Motor, full suspension , 35 mph capable for the Philodo Jumbo it peaks at 1500 watts per motor for 3000 watts total only negative is it's a 48 volt system
Interesting! I've never seen a 48v system be able to go that fast before.
@@leetjohnson I actually own the single battery , hardtail version the Philodo H8 and can confirm it hits 35 mph on a fully charged battery. so the upgraded version should be just as fast
@chuckwolf9869 That's epic!!!
@@leetjohnson if you want video proof TailHappyTV aka JuicedJoyrides tested the exact model of bike I own a few months ago, check it out. the Jumbo model is brand new just a couple months old. my bike matches exactly everything TailHappy got in his tests
Might want to check again. The jumbo on their site is $2499 and 2000 watts total.
My friend has a wired and it wobbles and has had electrical issues. I have an Ecells with no issues at all. For Wired to ask 300+$ to ship to 70 miles away to Indiana is a joke.
Interesting. What kind of electrical issues is he having? Shipping to California is only $250. No wobbles on mine, but I have heard that some have that issue.
Last time I spoke to him he was trying to get a controller. I believe shipping with insurance was going to be 325(for me for the freedom) I got my Aventon it was beat up bad and I refused delivery. When I called wired and asked if I could drive over to buy, I was told they needed to check warehouse and would call me back which they never did. Anyways that's when I discovered Ecells.
You do good videos, keep it up.
I'm driving to get my bike if it was only 70 miles away.
My only issue with my Wired Freedom is that the tires are low quality. I had constant flat tires from off road use and had to upgrade the tires. Since I upgraded I have not had an issue.
Luckily I've only had 1 flat so far. What tires did you end up getting? Do you use any tire liners or slime/flat out?
@@leetjohnson On my "other" 26X4 wheel bike, I went with the Innova Hybrid (thick Carcass) tires and Flat Out sealant. It brought all ride-ending leaks to a complete end. I live where goat head thorns are quite common, and would get more than one flat a month before I made this change. Now, if I get a goat head thorn in my tire, I pluck it out, and immediately ride the bike to allow the sealant to do its job. I maybe lose 1 pound of pressure before it seals. I highly recommend this combination for eBikes. The Innova is also a 30 PSI tire, which reduces rolling resistance. This means less battery juice needed to travel the same distance.
@addertooth1 that sounds like an epic solution, thanks for sharing!
i use FlatOut (it trumps slime) and mr. Tuffy, the tannus makes No sense to me, they soften I er time & take much more energy to roll, as it's less round..
I like the wired frredom, but I see tons of issues being posted with these bikes, including the issues stated in this video.
I think e- cells just have a more reliable built bike, and they give you more for less money. That is the only reason I am now going to purchase the e-cell instead of the wired. I like both bikes, though.
Right on!!
About over amping motors. if you want a motor to last. Don't😊
True, I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
Dual star package is $2395 with the discount I believe.
Correct! $2,495 with the $100 discount code gets it down to $2,395.
Wired Freedom is $1,999 plus 250 shipping and 145 for tax making it $2,394 before any discounts.
I own the 5STAR bike, and while it offers good performance, it has several issues. There is a persistent rattling noise, possibly coming from the kickstand. Additionally, the shipping process seems unreliable, and the motor is noisy. I received several damaged items, and the drivetrain and chain frequently malfunction. The bike is also quite heavy, and the seat stem has an unusual width. However, it does have a better frame and rear suspension than the wired model, and there are various customization options available. Unfortunately, the torque sensor does not function as expected. The most significant problem is the company itself. The owner's behavior is concerning - he has a history of legal issues a convict and questionable conduct, and there are serious allegations against him. Dealing with the company can be challenging. Considering all of this, I am hesitant to purchase another bike from this company, and I would advise potential buyers to be cautious.
Thanks for the information, I really appreciate it and have heard very similar things!
The only aspect you may need to address is that E-Cells reached out to the motor manufacturer & their warranty applies up to a 40 amp controller. Going to a 45 amp controller would void their warranty. I definitely suggest you test the E-cells bike in order to make a proper comparison.
I would love to have both bikes to do a proper comparison!!
I've seen this argument posted a few times, and my thoughts on this are: if it's true that the motor manufacturer's warranty only covers up to a 40-amp controller and going up to 45 amps would void that warranty, Wired will still replace the motor at no cost to the customer under the terms of their own warranty. The manufacturer's warranty comes from the manufacturer, and that's for Wired to worry about. As a customer, my only concern is the warranty Wired provides to me. I own both a Wired Freedom and a Wired Cruiser, and my experience with them has been fantastic. They've always stood by their products, and I have no reason to doubt they'll replace any components covered under their warranty.
@@eBike_Addiction that was my exact thoughts as well!!
If hentach gave anyone info on wireds motor is this even legal? Or are you saying e cells motor? And are you saying its a fact the two motors are indeed the same?
well unfortunately the dual star is no longer 2395 out the door like his post says, it's now 2700 😞
@@97JoMiller yuuuup
@@leetjohnson which means wired freedom step through will probably be what I go with. I’ve heard some people talk about a “death wobble” have you noticed it?
@@97JoMiller I'm getting one delivered any day and will be testing it out!! Stay tuned!!!
@@leetjohnson a dual star? I’m so struggling on which to order. Frankly they are both out of my price range so financing it is but my e-bike I think one of the planetary gears in the motor is stripped because I have some grinding and skipping of power and biking is my therapy
@@97JoMiller I have the new dual battery Wired Freedom on the way.
I own an E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown 2 wheel drive, 2 batteries, dual suspension and MUCH more. I don't think WIRED makes a comparable bike in quality of features.
@ericb.4358 right on!
This is the comment I left on another channel regarding this feud. I'll preface it by stating ecells uses better components. I don't know who stole what from the other with the design. Regardless, both failed miserably with the rear suspension.
EDIT START-The Owner/Operator of ecells has been clear that he designed these basic models for folks like senior citizens and those with some minor mobility issues that may struggle with a traditional bicycle on some terrain. He didn't necessarily intend the design to be used for regular single track use. My intent here isn't to throw shade on ecells. I want them to succeed and improve.-END EDIT.
Ecells dual star owner here. I'm happy so far with my purchase, but I know that I will break the rear suspension and rear frame bars at some point. That said, I need to point out that the general design of the suspension on both the wired and ecells can be an inherently difficult system to design for rigidity if the designer isn't paying attention to best practices. I believe that both fall into the Horst Link (4-bar) category which has seen a lot of use and best practices evolution in design since the 90s.
Getting that geometry to the point of basic non-binding "functionality" in autocad or solidworks is 5% of the total engineering challenge required to make a stable and robust system. All of those pivot points and the individual size/length/geometry of those materials and components linking them together is the design challenge. The pivot connections are more critical than anything else. If I'm being subjective, I think both ecells and wired missed the mark with the inception of this suspension design. Especially given the weight of the bike. All of the pivot connections need to be addressed. They are under-engineered for both bikes. It is unfortunate.
All of the pivot points are suspect. One of the biggest design problems that I see with both of these bikes is the length of the rocker linkage connecting the shock to the rear seat stay. The distance between those two connection points is insanely long. That introduces so much more leverage and non linear stress and flex to an already under-engineered pivot construction.
If you follow the evolution of MTB rear suspension, you will notice that those designs lead to the shortest rocker linkage possible to reduce those forces between pivot points.
Note the suspension and frame changes with the new Ecells Triple Crown. It is clear that they are at least incrementally waking up to this. Personally, I think they should scrap their entire suspension design, but every one of their bikes should have those same changes exhibited in the Triple Crown at a minimum.
These bikes are more motorcycle than bicycle. 100+ lbs. There is a reason that motorcycles don't use a Horst pattern suspension. Strength and safety.
They need to go to a single point swing-arm and call it a day. Ugly, but it works.
@givemethemusicd I agree and thank you for the in depth and well thought out explanation!
Ecells with the Dual Battery and Dual Crown Air Adjustable Fork, with 7″ Large Headlight is a better deal however the new controller by wired that can make the freedom peak over 3000 watts makes it a difficult decision. 2 great companies that have made new standards for other companies to follow.
I agree100%, thay are both great optiions!!
Who wants a fork without a thru axle on a 36mph bike? Really dangerous omission.
@@jfly2249Which bike currently is set up like that? Both are moving to the thru bolt. Wired i think anounced that detail first if you care but I've seen five stars online already with the thru axle so they're delivering it a couple months earlier. Whatever, another area where they copy EACHOTHER whenever one figures something out the other agrees is better.
@@jfly2249 I agree with you 100% but that's what I received from Wired back in February when I bought that particular model. My biggest concern is that it has a very noisy motor, rubbing sounds that are not normal. Mainly in third level. A bunch of people on here have said what a great owner that Steve is, that he is very accessible and he really cares about the customer. When I called up there about my problem the lady told me that Steve is super busy with meetings and other things and cannot possibly take every phone call. To make matters worse she wouldn't even speak to me about my motor issue or put me over to technical service. Just send us a video she said.. Easier said than done. I'm going to try to do this video somehow but this was a huge turn off for me.
@@jfly2249they r all through axle
Luv my blue Freedom, BUT, - them adding so many extras a cpl months later, make us feel like the Tesla owners getting screwed via lowering the cost.
The Wired has nicer welds, but the ecells is a much more ridgid frame
It is a bummer.
I would love to see an unbais opinion. They clearly have infinitely more in common than different. It seems like maybe it would get more range, where the extra 5amps on the new wired would just let it go a little faster at the sake of range right? Just kind of a pick your flavor :)
@caogomi I agree! Hard to tell what the truth is between the two extreme sides come up with...
Ecells Five Star is the best bike of 2024 - doesn't fall apart on you like wired freedom, and the customer support is second to none
@curtseth7995 that's great to hear, glad you like the bike!
The wired bike frame is subpar compared to E cells. He cells is a more robust built frame.
@@louzam1297 👍
One guy with a lengthy history in machine metal engineering and mechanical background, has both bikes. He was interviewd on another channel.. This guy tended to prefer the E Cells frame and rear suspension linkage more. Said it was a bit more sturdy.
I saw that. I don't own the Ecells so I can't say which is better, but I also don't ride my bike on switchbacks and haven't had any issues with any frame flex...yet.
Stay Connected with EV's UA-cam channel just did this interview.
@@JohnBabcock-qy1cs yeah, I saw it. Thank you.
@@leetjohnson hope you don't mind me dropping names.. lol sorry
@@JohnBabcock-qy1cs No problem at all!!
I get a kick how the owners of Wired Freedom, to give themselves some level of credibility, claimed E-Cells 5 Star Copied Wired Freedoms Frame.
Actually E-Cells 5 Star Copied the Super Monarch’s Frame that is also made by E-Cells. And E-Cells Super Monarch has been around for over 5 years.
So the Wired Freedom and E-Cells 5 Star both Copied E-Cells Super Monarch Frame. Why is it a Crime for the same company to use the same Frame on more than one of its models of bikes.
It seems the owners of Wired e-bikes started the rumor that the E-Cells 5 Star copied the Wired Freedoms Frame with their reviewers to give their company some credibility. Lying seems to be what the Lawyer Owners of Wired e-bikes do the Best. Just read their web site info.
Yeah, lots of hating going on....imitation is the highest form of flattery.
I just can't imagine thinking "wait I have to pay for a company to ship me a 225lb box?!" why is that not free? 😁
@@TunaSoda 😄
I think interaction from a owner of a business is a great thing. It shows hes not a corperate bot. Freedom of speach should not be limited by others through shaming. Also, Theres no rule in youtube agreements that says if your a certain somebody, you cant express your opinnions lol.
That being said, you did not mention that the owner of wired publicly and falsely/misleadingly advertised UL certification on their website causing numerous youtubers to falsely advertise the same false statement LoL. Or how about wired's bendy frame issue that is clearly unresolved for the older owners?
Of course you can express your opinions, but that doesn't absolve you from their consequences or ramifications. Him calling me a liar and then asking me to call him to shill his bike was not only unprofessional, but completely
unnecessary, in my opinion. I also haven't mentioned his time in prison either. I can't mention every single thing about everyone in just one video. Thank you for your input, I do appreciate it!
@@leetjohnsonlet those who judge, also be judged. We live in a judgey judge world. Specially how sensitive the world has become.
I also been to jail a life time ago, for beating up 6 sensitive idiots in a 6v1. Lol jk, don't judge me.
@@leetjohnson you should bring up his jail time. I heard it was a pretty horrible unjust situation that ruined his life. To overcome this and become a ceo of a company, I think is pretty resilient and remarkable. I corrected your dual star cost, can i say you were untruthful? I think he was trying to make contact with you but didnt know how to privately cause hes old lol, thats just my opinion.
@Goesriding you corrected my dual star cost? I posted the video screen shot of the price. Discount codes are not the same as advertised price. Not sure what you're getting at....
@@leetjohnson my bad. I read $2495 on screen in my brain while u were talking haha. You should mention the torque sensor upgrade. It's really the only real difference in riding these 2 bikes.
Impatiently waiting for mid to late June for my Wired Freedom. ⏳
It's gonna be sooo good!!
How much does it cost to buy 100k UA-cam subscribers? There are some influencers who absolutely have to be buying subscriptions from a troll farm. The one guy that seems connected to e cells is so incredibly bad and has so few views there is no way most of his subscribers are real.
I was wondering the same thing...
Probably a guy who’s pretty good with computers. TailHappy has 100k subs but many millions of views. This guy is like one for one. He probably is also buying views for his videos. Really the worst, least knowledgeable and most biased “reviewer” I’ve seen.
@@jfly2249 Just curious who is "this guy" so I'll be on the look out. Ordered my Wired Crusier+ getting it in late July. Thanks.
You have 2.43 k subs with 434k views. Stay connected EV has 101k subs with 691k views. 😳Tailhappy has 103k subs with 34 Million views. Citizen Cycle has 43k subs with 7.9 million views. Stay connected EV is as fraudulent as e cells ex con owner😂😂😂
Ecells dual battery bike now costs $2,795 bc of the $300 tariff fee.
Yep!!
I think ecells top bike is around $5,500!!!! I would never spend that on a bike at that price might as well get a eride pro ss or surron,talaria ect ect but thats just my opinion ✌🏼
I agree, the dual motor versions are waaay overpriced.
Ecells is clearly just chasing Wired. Competition is good, and Wired continues to innovate to stay ahead. I've loved every one of the hundreds of miles I put on my '24 Freedom. No need for post-purchase service so far but they replied quick when I asked for a sold-out t-shirt 🙂
That's awesome! I've had the same experience and love the bike so far!!
ecells has went way up in price since this video
@@BloodCovenant it sure has!!
Ecells for the win
For sure, but their price just jumped to $2,295!
Like buying a Magicycle pro when Ariel Rider came out with the Kepler.. People couldn't wait and got a magicycle instead of waiting for a few weeks to get a Kepler. Big mistake.
Yep, hard to predict when these companies will come out with the next best thing!
@@leetjohnson Now Goat bikes upgrading their bikes to go a bit faster. The Goat bikes may be a cheaper alternative for people thinking of a Graffiti X bike at $1,500 less.
@@JohnBabcock-qy1cs When discussing 40+ MPH bikes, the Goat is certainly worth including in the discussion. The only downside is it is less "bicycle looking" than either the eCells or the Wired Freedom. For some people, this can be important. I have to get past the gates on a Military base. I don't know how hard it will be to convince them the Goat is an eBike, as versus a "moped". If they deem it a moped, then it demands a tag and insurance to roll it onto a military base. It also requires the rider have a "motorcycle safety Foundation (MSF)" training certification as well.
@addertooth1 Guess a Lyric Graffiti X us way out if the question then..
@@JohnBabcock-qy1cs The prototype pictures of that bike look even more motorcycle like. So you are quite correct.
Why should I buy either bike especially with regenerative brakes available to the masses really sad state of times Why all don't offer regenerative brakes recharge the battery😢 a little little or a lot, love you all and have a blessed day!!!!😂
Becuase you can only get regen on a direct drive motor. Geared hub motors have a lot more torque but are slightly less efficient and don't have regen. Depends if you plan to climb bigger steeper hills and want fast off the line power, or weaker, longer distance ability.
@leetjohnson Really sad all the ebikes don't have regenerative brakes. Maybe next year
Lyric graffiti x has regen braking
Wired no longer does assembly.
@@rvboondocker2559 Interesting!
i like the look of the wired bike but there is a lot i like about the e-cells with the dual crown option. the good thing is this benefits the customer whichever one they get.
the sad part is when things get ugly and politics get in the way based on brand - like ford versus chevy, microsoft versus apple, or a sports team versus another, etc. i think there may be more toxicity within the wired camp bashing people deciding on e-cells. just trying to get an objective perspective on things as a potential customer should not mark one as a “fanboy” of either brand. if you can afford it get both. but if you had to pick one, it should be based on informed decisions as a personal choice. not because there is only one way in life to do things right in life like a cult or a religion. but the customer should be happy with what they got and have excellent support o whichever one they end up choosing.
I couldn't agree more! Thank you for sharing your perspective, I really appreciate it!
it's a timing thing, the ecells was introduced after the Wired (Luv my blue '24) then they added the upgrades & i plan to get the ecells with several options.
Ecells is no longer $1995, David is uping the price $300
Are you sure? When? Where did you hear/see this information? Is the free shipping finally getting to him? I can't imagine he would do that right now with the battle between the two companies...
Looks like some “Fake News”
out of Chicago. Don’t believe anything until the prices are changed on the E-Cell’s web site.
No Proof-No Truth!!!
He posted in the ecells group on FB. But he’s not doing it to be greedy or charging for shipping. It’s due to a tariff thats being implemented on some Chinese imports in a few weeks, which is going to increase the cost of the bike.
@@nyclatinpapi Joe Biden is imposing new tariffs on some Chinese Imports. If it affects E-Cells it will affect all E-bikes imported from China which is just about all E-bikes.
Thank You Joe Biden. Those that Vote for him are to blame!!!
E cells entire marketing strategy has been to copy, bad mouth and lie about Wired. The fact that these claims are coming from a convicted felon and proven liar should make everyone pause. Regardless, the new Wired bikes easily outperform the E cells with 1000 more watts, a true thru axle fork, and full UL compliance. The e cells only has a top speed of 36-37mph vs 41mph for the new Wired bikes. E cells also has a F rating with the BBB.
Very interesting information, thank you!
Do you get paid for your vitriol and disinformation, Mr. Jiffy? Ecells is an older company than wired, wired has been a copycat company up until they’re very last iteration.. and for the very first time they have an edge due to their controller. The fact that the owner has served time should not matter to you since you probably have as well or you’re just lucky that you haven’t been caught. To be honest with you my biggest problem with Ecells is their wrapping themselves in the Bible on their web site.
He did over 10 years in prison for drunk driving an killing a family on thanksgiving or somthing like that.
@@stopcantstopwont9539 He tested positive for cocaine, and fell asleep at the wheel. Must not have been very good stuff.
The gossip on the Ecells owner are very inaccurate & misleading. Before making comments about his past it is best to have the facts & confirm your sources.
Just a heads up. I ordered a wired freedom about 5 weeks ago. Then I saw a youtube interview of a guy that had both. And it pointed out wired stability issues left to right and rattling. And his difficulties getting it resolved. So I cancelled my order. The company politely said they would cancel and credit me. Then I got to thinking that maybe I should just stick with the Wired bike and give it a try. It seemed like a great value with the extra battery. So I emailed to see if I could reinstate my order or need to order again online.
I get an email from the CEO stating that He has a policy that anybody that cancels an order is flagged and banned from ordering again! Holy cow! Can you imagine a company that bans all customers if you change your mind for a product that never even shipped in the first place! BTW, I went to find this youtube video that was very hard on the Wired Ebike and surprise, surprise. It disappeared! Maybe they got some type of financial resolution to take down the negative article. Something is not right about this Wired company and their business model or expertise. Glad I avoided any future problems.
Interesting, let me know if you get the Ecells and what you think of it!
I doubt the owner of the company sent an email with that many grammatical errors.
It wasn't an email, it was in the comment section of my channel on a video. It's still there if you don't believe me.
Just look at Ecell's website and how jumbled and difficult it is to navigate. From my recollection, it also has spelling and or punctuation mistakes. So I could easily see the owner posting a comment filled with errors.
Battery replacements are too expensive. Battery life averages 2 years. I would rather replace a fuel filter for a couple of bucks then have to replace an expensive battery. Looks cool but can't judge a book by the cover.
Luckily I don't have to judge them by their cover. I've owned many ebikes over the years, the batteries last many years...no idea where you got the idea that the battery only lasts 2 years. My oldest bike is 7 years old and had over 4,000 miles on it, same battery that it came with. It has degraded a bit but still works fine.
I’ve got an e-bike that’s 11 years old and still works well with the original battery!You don’t have a clue!!!
Another misinformed clowned that is anti technology.
An extra Wired Freedom Battery costs $800 WOW Thats a lot of money for a battery
@BillBadMule123 yeah, these big batteries are expensive!
Same bikes same parts,just fan boys and crazy ass car salesman Dave Clevland... both wobble from design, hellbender can help it but buying a Lyric will fix that issue lol.
@@naysayerofthevelvetelvis6502 😆
@@naysayerofthevelvetelvis6502 thr price point and non adjustable seat make the Lyric a no go for me.