Anyone else coming here after the big Adobe Photography plan price hike? I've been using Affinity designer since 2017, but the main reason I was still using Photoshop was this feature. I know, I know, you can do it better manually but that takes ages. A quick and dirty object selecter and then some fine tuning in the mask will do most of what I need. Sure hope this will also be available for RAW editing.
I've had a few comments about this, I thought Adobe would 'play nice' for awhile after the outrage about the AI model training but here we are. Thanks for watching!
@@joosy1993 Not sure yet, I know they were having some trouble and removed some of the features for certain users (mac intel users) so they're working out the bugs. Shouldn't be too much longer!
This is honestly a game-changer, especially for new users who still don't know their way around creating accurate selections and using the refine tool to it's full ability yet. Thank you so much for yet another comprehensive video!
I don't think it's a gamechanger. It's not even a gamechanger in Adobe. Adobe has a related feature that removes the background. Before that feature came out, I had a automation that I created for that purpose. It works extremely fast because it doesn't need to "think" or communicate with a remote server. I started trying Adobe's solution. When it works it does a good job. When it fails, it does things that make no sense at all. Also when it fails, you might not notice the failure so it sets you up for a bigger problem later when somebody else notices it. To make matters worse, it fails on simple things. For example, in my work, I'm extracting garments from a background. I would often have a very, very simple beanie on a flat background. I use Adobe's AI solution and it would repeatedly remove the background, plus a big chunk out of the side of the beanie. Like, how does it get something this simple wrong? I gave it a shot, then I eventually stopped using it because it just made too many mistakes. My own solution is faster, but also it gives me the opportunity to be careful about what is background and what is not.
Yes, that's why i said its better-suited for newer users who are not familiar with a more advanced workflow such as the one you're using. It's a good start for users who are learning about making selections on simple subjects and getting the job done fast @@KuttyJoe
You're right, I think I got excited with the addition of the tools but I should have spent more time doing some photo manipulations to give a full picture. I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment!
i really don't want to go use adobe anymore but boy do i miss photo management... being able to import and organize, see an entire catalogue and manipulate a bunch of pics with similar settings then batch export. opening one at a time is a bit of a drag. i'm new to Affinity, are they going to add anything like this?
That is definitely a big request they get often. Hoping with Canva backing them (finance wise) they will start to add big features like that. Thanks for watching!
Would love to see that auto-selected wolf against a different photo background, so we could see how natural the edge transition looks. (It'd be cool if there were edge presets for hairy &/or fibrous outlines...)
I already have a lifetime affinity licence,will this cost anymore,and do I have to get the beta version of affinity to get this,or just do it on affinity 2.
Hey, Beta is free to use, it's just 'testing' the next release. The beta is installed separate so you will still have 'Affinity Photo 2' and also 'Affinity Photo 2 Beta' on your computer. It should be released fairly soon to everyone. Thank you for watching!
I have downloaded the beta 2.6 ,but I cannot find where to install the machine learning tools.i can get the tool in the tools section,but when I cl on the symbol,a message comes up,that I need a silicon chip for it to work,I have a MacBook Pro,purchased in 2018,and I have the latest operating system,does this mean I cannot use this until such time as I buy a new computer .i do not intend to do this ,for a long time yet
@@jeanbrown8295 Hey, I also get the same message now. They have disabled it for the time-being during testing (this video was shot with an Intel mac) but I do believe they won't be releasing it until it's working on all machines.
Every time I see 'Affinity update!' I get excited, and then have to calm down because it won't be what I'm hoping for. Huge fan of the Affinity apps, but I was so disappointed when they removed the 'standalone' option for dual monitor Macs. Because I'm still using v1, I can have all my tools on one monitor, and the images on the other. Since v2, the primary toolbar must be attached to an image, there's no standalone setup. Since Mac video management is complicated, it's unlikely they'll ever go back, and it makes me sad to keep missing new features. (Not that AI interests me, but so so many little quirks were fixed in v2 that I still have to put up with in v1.) As a wise philosopher once said, it is what it is.
A great way to look at it. Affinity has been missing some pretty (and basic) options for a while now (image trace tool in designer being one) but I love the products and will continue to use and support them as much as I can
I didn't know this was available with the last update. I only work in the betas. Well I guess my lazy butt need to go ahead and install the latest beta version that I DL'd a few days ago. The thing bugs me everyday when I jump into Affinity. This looks niiice! And it's about time too! Lol. It's essentially an editable background remover (plus more). I'm glad too because I'm wayy too impatient and overly meticulous to do intricate selections. It ALWAYS take me far too long.🤨 Hey DM - Now ya knooow... It would be great if you were to use some of your new fangled goodies in a couple of your upcoming tutorials so that folks can see them in action. Whacha think about that self-promotion?
Hey Comps - hope you're well! I'm a big fan of this update, sometimes they can be very small minor changes..but this one counts! I think that is a great idea, I need to make more use of them within my own videos!
@@bydesignmethod Well I'm going to have to pay attention to what they've added this time around. I usually just trip across the new stuff as I'm working. Lol. Hope you're good as well sir!
But, did they steal some else's artwork to train their models? Most artists are not only concerned about their OWN artwork being stolen. They don't want ANYONE'S artwork to be stolen. We all have no problems with companies using artwork for which permissions have been given by the artists for their artwork to be used for training models. But, we all want those permissions to be explicitly and specifically for training models. So far, I have seen no vendor claiming to use models built ONLY upon artwork with those specific permissions given.
They don't need to steal anything. This isn't generative AI so it's not creating artwork from anywhere. It's object recognition. They can train the models on stock photos that they have the rights to use. I have some of my photos and videos on a stock site and I can opt-in to allowing them to be used in training AI models. It's interesting because I've actually seen a few cents come in now and then from it lol. I agree though that they need to be upfront an totally clear that their models have be trained on content that they have the rights or permissions to use.
This of course is super useful and very welcome, but my Mac is old (late 2015 and therefore stuck on Monterey), I don't have the dosh to buy a new one, and in order to use these super exciting new Affinity A.I. tools (let's call a spade a spade?), I would prefer to gnaw my own arms off than to switch to Windose. I really hope Affinity fixes this.
Interesting! I guess that makes sense. I'm running a 2020 Mac and all good here..although I am also not upgrading as my MS office will make me go to 365 and subscribe if I update my OS. I currently 'own' office so I'm holding on as long as I can. LOL @ gnawing arms off
What about the photomontage techniques used by architects and landscape designers on Photoshop. is it possible to reproduce them also in AFFINITY photo? i cannot find none that cover that tutorial
I don't believe they'll charge. Affinity has been really good about knowing what us users want. We can't rule it out, but I would be shocked. Thanks so much for watching!
It's still in testing but you can join the Beta This update should be released soon affinity.serif.com/en-gb/affinity-beta-program/?srsltid=AfmBOorwIOySVRnung-Db6Pl7o6YmC7P2OKa3OyMjKUskUSGqMn-fQ-I
AI select seems to work really well, i tested against Photoshop on a few images, overall I thought Affinity was doing a slightly better job than Photoshop, if they can add generative fill and generative expand and make it as good as Photoshops them Adobe is screwed, just like they screw their customers!... Now Canva have bought Affinity, with more resources I can see things moving much faster with new AI features. How about a full blown RAW Editor with Cataloguing features too? You never know!
Yeah it seems to be working great! Affinity certainly has the backing now to add those features, I think if so they'll go about it the right way (optional, etc) a RAW editor with those features would be very exciting for the product!
I didn't see it in the release notes but we still in testing. What type of options are you looking for? i'm curious, I don't use the persona as much as I should.
When you say "no one is stealing your stuff", how do you know that? To the best of my knowledge, Serif has not disclosed where their training data comes from. Most training data sets contain stolen information.
This is honestly a great question and was asked earlier in the comments. Wolf responded with this: 'They don't need to steal anything. This isn't generative AI so it's not creating artwork from anywhere. It's object recognition. They can train the models on stock photos that they have the rights to use. I have some of my photos and videos on a stock site and I can opt-in to allowing them to be used in training AI models. It's interesting because I've actually seen a few cents come in now and then from it lol. I agree though that they need to be upfront an totally clear that their models have be trained on content that they have the rights or permissions to use.' I think it makes sense but we should definitely be aware of where it's coming from. Appreciate you watching!
we're talking about an upgrade, not an update, right? In a way, we have to "pay for it again"! We should give up the "pay once and you're done" lie. I personally have no problem paying for advanced features, but we shouldn't pretend that everything will be free in the future. We have to pay for what we get ...full stop!
This update you won't pay for. Historically with Affinity you only pay when it changes versions (Version 1 to Version 2, etc) all updates 2.5, 2.6 etc are free.
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Anyone else coming here after the big Adobe Photography plan price hike? I've been using Affinity designer since 2017, but the main reason I was still using Photoshop was this feature. I know, I know, you can do it better manually but that takes ages. A quick and dirty object selecter and then some fine tuning in the mask will do most of what I need. Sure hope this will also be available for RAW editing.
I've had a few comments about this, I thought Adobe would 'play nice' for awhile after the outrage about the AI model training but here we are. Thanks for watching!
OMG YES, FINALLY! Now they just have to add the generative fill and I can never again think about Adobe in my life
We will see what route that choose with generative fill.. I'm happy Affinity is making some big jumps now!
exactly!
Any idea when the will release this update?? 🤩
@@joosy1993 Not sure yet, I know they were having some trouble and removed some of the features for certain users (mac intel users) so they're working out the bugs. Shouldn't be too much longer!
Agreed. A bonus would be generative expand fill
This is honestly a game-changer, especially for new users who still don't know their way around creating accurate selections and using the refine tool to it's full ability yet. Thank you so much for yet another comprehensive video!
You're so welcome! Its a big deal for sure, I was waiting for this one!
Appreciate your support!
I don't think it's a gamechanger. It's not even a gamechanger in Adobe. Adobe has a related feature that removes the background. Before that feature came out, I had a automation that I created for that purpose. It works extremely fast because it doesn't need to "think" or communicate with a remote server. I started trying Adobe's solution. When it works it does a good job. When it fails, it does things that make no sense at all. Also when it fails, you might not notice the failure so it sets you up for a bigger problem later when somebody else notices it. To make matters worse, it fails on simple things. For example, in my work, I'm extracting garments from a background. I would often have a very, very simple beanie on a flat background. I use Adobe's AI solution and it would repeatedly remove the background, plus a big chunk out of the side of the beanie. Like, how does it get something this simple wrong? I gave it a shot, then I eventually stopped using it because it just made too many mistakes. My own solution is faster, but also it gives me the opportunity to be careful about what is background and what is not.
Yes, that's why i said its better-suited for newer users who are not familiar with a more advanced workflow such as the one you're using. It's a good start for users who are learning about making selections on simple subjects and getting the job done fast @@KuttyJoe
Just found your channel and I have to say that I love your content. You are making my transition from Adobe much easier.
Awesome! I'm so glad you found my channel. Thank you so much for your support!
Have been waiting for this. Love affinity
I'm a big one for sure! wooo!!
Thanks! Any idea when this will be released?
No exact date but they've gone through multiple versions of this Beta so it shouldn't be too long now.
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic addition to the toolbox. I'd like to see how it works on an image that does not look like a wolf on a white background, though.
You're right, I think I got excited with the addition of the tools but I should have spent more time doing some photo manipulations to give a full picture. I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment!
Can't wait for the update.
Same! gonna be awesome for everyone!
i really don't want to go use adobe anymore but boy do i miss photo management... being able to import and organize, see an entire catalogue and manipulate a bunch of pics with similar settings then batch export. opening one at a time is a bit of a drag. i'm new to Affinity, are they going to add anything like this?
That is definitely a big request they get often. Hoping with Canva backing them (finance wise) they will start to add big features like that. Thanks for watching!
When will these features be officially released?
Hey,
No announced date yet but it won't be too long. Still testing some things.
I wonder how it will do with whispy hair and fur? If they developed it enough that it does a good job with those I'd consider using it.
It seems to be decent but definitely needs some work. Hoping after the beta testing we get some improvements. Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!
Would love to see that auto-selected wolf against a different photo background, so we could see how natural the edge transition looks. (It'd be cool if there were edge presets for hairy &/or fibrous outlines...)
You're right I definitely should have shown something like that. I think I was just too excited lol.
Presets would be a great idea!
I have been playing with this for a couple days and am really impressed. It crashed on me once, but this is still an early beta.
Same here - i'm impressed but hoping for some refinement before release. Happy to have it. Thanks so much for watching!
I already have a lifetime affinity licence,will this cost anymore,and do I have to get the beta version of affinity to get this,or just do it on affinity 2.
Hey,
Beta is free to use, it's just 'testing' the next release.
The beta is installed separate so you will still have 'Affinity Photo 2' and also 'Affinity Photo 2 Beta' on your computer.
It should be released fairly soon to everyone.
Thank you for watching!
I have downloaded the beta 2.6 ,but I cannot find where to install the machine learning tools.i can get the tool in the tools section,but when I cl on the symbol,a message comes up,that I need a silicon chip for it to work,I have a MacBook Pro,purchased in 2018,and I have the latest operating system,does this mean I cannot use this until such time as I buy a new computer .i do not intend to do this ,for a long time yet
@@jeanbrown8295 Hey,
I also get the same message now. They have disabled it for the time-being during testing (this video was shot with an Intel mac) but I do believe they won't be releasing it until it's working on all machines.
@ thank you for this information,I was really hoping I could use it now on the beta version,but I will just have to wait
A big update when it's tweaked a touch. Anyone still paying adobe subscriptions after this has money to burn
Great quick video!
Thank you as always! good to see you!
Every time I see 'Affinity update!' I get excited, and then have to calm down because it won't be what I'm hoping for.
Huge fan of the Affinity apps, but I was so disappointed when they removed the 'standalone' option for dual monitor Macs. Because I'm still using v1, I can have all my tools on one monitor, and the images on the other. Since v2, the primary toolbar must be attached to an image, there's no standalone setup. Since Mac video management is complicated, it's unlikely they'll ever go back, and it makes me sad to keep missing new features. (Not that AI interests me, but so so many little quirks were fixed in v2 that I still have to put up with in v1.)
As a wise philosopher once said, it is what it is.
A great way to look at it. Affinity has been missing some pretty (and basic) options for a while now (image trace tool in designer being one)
but I love the products and will continue to use and support them as much as I can
@@bydesignmethod I'm Team Affinity. Escaped from the big subscription app and I'll take all Affinity's shortcomings over that nightmare any day.
I didn't know this was available with the last update. I only work in the betas. Well I guess my lazy butt need to go ahead and install the latest beta version that I DL'd a few days ago. The thing bugs me everyday when I jump into Affinity. This looks niiice! And it's about time too! Lol. It's essentially an editable background remover (plus more). I'm glad too because I'm wayy too impatient and overly meticulous to do intricate selections. It ALWAYS take me far too long.🤨
Hey DM - Now ya knooow... It would be great if you were to use some of your new fangled goodies in a couple of your upcoming tutorials so that folks can see them in action. Whacha think about that self-promotion?
Hey Comps - hope you're well!
I'm a big fan of this update, sometimes they can be very small minor changes..but this one counts!
I think that is a great idea, I need to make more use of them within my own videos!
@@bydesignmethod Well I'm going to have to pay attention to what they've added this time around. I usually just trip across the new stuff as I'm working. Lol. Hope you're good as well sir!
Downloaded ifficial 2.5.6 today there was no object selection.
Do you have 'select subject' under 'select' ?
@bydesignmethoNo. Under General was Colour then Performance.
@bydesignmethod Strangely, if you click 'Help' to see what's new the page is for 2.5.
@@OldSkoolFlava I'm using 2.6 - however I have an Intel Mac and they disabled the new features (I can still see them, but not use them)🤔
But, did they steal some else's artwork to train their models?
Most artists are not only concerned about their OWN artwork being stolen. They don't want ANYONE'S artwork to be stolen. We all have no problems with companies using artwork for which permissions have been given by the artists for their artwork to be used for training models. But, we all want those permissions to be explicitly and specifically for training models. So far, I have seen no vendor claiming to use models built ONLY upon artwork with those specific permissions given.
Thats actually a very interesting question. I think Affinity has gone about this the right way for us users but it does make a good point.
They don't need to steal anything. This isn't generative AI so it's not creating artwork from anywhere. It's object recognition. They can train the models on stock photos that they have the rights to use. I have some of my photos and videos on a stock site and I can opt-in to allowing them to be used in training AI models. It's interesting because I've actually seen a few cents come in now and then from it lol. I agree though that they need to be upfront an totally clear that their models have be trained on content that they have the rights or permissions to use.
@@Xero_Wolf Thanks for adding this Wolf - great information!!!
This of course is super useful and very welcome, but my Mac is old (late 2015 and therefore stuck on Monterey), I don't have the dosh to buy a new one, and in order to use these super exciting new Affinity A.I. tools (let's call a spade a spade?), I would prefer to gnaw my own arms off than to switch to Windose. I really hope Affinity fixes this.
Interesting! I guess that makes sense. I'm running a 2020 Mac and all good here..although I am also not upgrading as my MS office will make me go to 365 and subscribe if I update my OS. I currently 'own' office so I'm holding on as long as I can.
LOL @ gnawing arms off
What about the photomontage techniques used by architects and landscape designers on Photoshop. is it possible to reproduce them also in AFFINITY photo? i cannot find none that cover that tutorial
Yes, you can. I would say Affinity Designer might be better for certain choices with scale, but its possible.
I hope the don’t plan to charge for it, I wanted the current version for at least 2 years before any subsequent costs
I don't believe they'll charge. Affinity has been really good about knowing what us users want. We can't rule it out, but I would be shocked.
Thanks so much for watching!
they wont, they said its 2.6
give me download link, i m not using adobe now
It's still in testing but you can join the Beta
This update should be released soon
affinity.serif.com/en-gb/affinity-beta-program/?srsltid=AfmBOorwIOySVRnung-Db6Pl7o6YmC7P2OKa3OyMjKUskUSGqMn-fQ-I
AI select seems to work really well, i tested against Photoshop on a few images, overall I thought Affinity was doing a slightly better job than Photoshop, if they can add generative fill and generative expand and make it as good as Photoshops them Adobe is screwed, just like they screw their customers!... Now Canva have bought Affinity, with more resources I can see things moving much faster with new AI features. How about a full blown RAW Editor with Cataloguing features too? You never know!
Yeah it seems to be working great!
Affinity certainly has the backing now to add those features, I think if so they'll go about it the right way (optional, etc)
a RAW editor with those features would be very exciting for the product!
While I don't mind this ML selection, I'm just hoping they improve the develop persona
I didn't see it in the release notes but we still in testing. What type of options are you looking for? i'm curious, I don't use the persona as much as I should.
@@bydesignmethod Camera profile adjustments and HSL to be dealt in the develop persona
@@Dexter101xABSOLUTELY! I wish there was a good way to work with custom profiles built with a color checker passport and raw files!
were is this, is it an update, i didn't see or know anything about this?wtf!
Hey,
It's in Beta right now (testing) should be releasing soon!
WTF is the music for?
ears
@@bydesignmethod 😆😆
When you say "no one is stealing your stuff", how do you know that?
To the best of my knowledge, Serif has not disclosed where their training data comes from. Most training data sets contain stolen information.
This is honestly a great question and was asked earlier in the comments. Wolf responded with this:
'They don't need to steal anything. This isn't generative AI so it's not creating artwork from anywhere. It's object recognition. They can train the models on stock photos that they have the rights to use. I have some of my photos and videos on a stock site and I can opt-in to allowing them to be used in training AI models. It's interesting because I've actually seen a few cents come in now and then from it lol. I agree though that they need to be upfront an totally clear that their models have be trained on content that they have the rights or permissions to use.'
I think it makes sense but we should definitely be aware of where it's coming from.
Appreciate you watching!
Blend tool, 3d and materials, and select subject tool and other useful tools from Adobe and I'm ready to let go and forget Adobe
agreed, let's go!!!!!
we're talking about an upgrade, not an update, right? In a way, we have to "pay for it again"! We should give up the "pay once and you're done" lie. I personally have no problem paying for advanced features, but we shouldn't pretend that everything will be free in the future. We have to pay for what we get ...full stop!
This update you won't pay for. Historically with Affinity you only pay when it changes versions (Version 1 to Version 2, etc) all updates 2.5, 2.6 etc are free.
@@bydesignmethod wow! very good news!
AI is the new "computer technology". Nothing new except the power, and who worries about that on their phones, iPads, laptops and PCs??
It's true, we use it more than we think everyday. Creatives get touchy when it comes to that stuff.
Thanks so much for watching!
not good, but not bad, meh
What would you like to see added? i'm interested to hear.
@bydesignmethod more presission