Thank you for your commitment explaining everything. People like you and pox help a lot in understanding every corner of the game. 400 h in and finally got the ropes. Im able to look for marketneeds and make my own farmstrats to buy items for new builds like Ts
Thanks. I think you hit the nail on the head with the most important thing which is knowing what stats you need as this makes buying gear easier and gives you much more ability to craft your own gear much cheaper than market price. It applies to pretty much any build in the game
As someone who plays only TS for a long time now, I appreciate this video. Can share it with guildmates who are often asking questions about how the gem works :)
Damn, this was a real lesson on TS. I took Pierce Support out, and Faster Projectiles in. The difference was gigantic, fell of my chair when i tested it =) TY Sir
An addition to the topic at 8:00, secondary projectiles from split tornado shots can hit the same enemy, so increased effect on sniper's mark also increase this benefit. Sniper's mark is actually what has brought up TS from being a premium mapping skill to being a great boss killer also, with the projectile weakness rework in 3.12 heist league. An addendum on the split mechanic, the split projectiles will auto-target enemies in range (which I believe is close to 60 units), but if there are not enough enemies in range for it to target the projectiles are not wasted and will target a random location at maximum range. Good work on the TS content and let's hope GGG never nerfs it :)
Thanks for the extra info. The auto targeting makes sense. I tested the base gem and it would not auto target but that might be because with zero proj speed there was not enough range for them to target. Handy to know about the Sniper's mark thing. Glad I bought the video out now as I learn stuff myself :)
There are lots of videos for TS this league. My POB is 530 divines worth so depends how rich you are :) This is what I would aim for as a good all round build ua-cam.com/video/tR6XZlVrk4E/v-deo.html
Do you think I can follow what you did in the "Omniscience transition" video with a 50div budget? Thank you for the content, I'm just having issue finding a guide talking about omniscience and how to scale the build.
Scale the build is simple, extra arrows, stack attributes, at some point around 1800-2000 Omni, you're resists will be capped and you'll be sitting at over -100% enemy Ele resist after the penetration. Just becomes better to use the suffix for something else, like suppression or avoid ailment, or crit or crit or crit! :)
hey! love build but sometimes get a random oneshot death which is annoying if u want top get lvl 100, have u tested Progenesis flask in terms of survivability ??
i love this video. I have played a lot of TS and i still leaned some thing new, like that the travel distance for the 2ed arrows includes the first arrow. I would love to see more of this kind of videos (like for rain of arrows) just in case of you needs video ideas ;)
Glad you enjoyed it. I am planning to do a few more tutorial like videos I just need to try and decide on format and what to cover. I want to try and focus on things that are unlikely to change massively through the leagues so that they remain relevant (Although this is tricky with POE :))
Would you recommend dropping focal point or tailwind for ricochet if we can't afford the forbidden jewels? I know you mentioned awakened chain in the other video but it doesn't have the chaining off terrain feature, which seems to be more valuable than the chain itself
Thanks for this video as a tornado shot enjoyer Iearned a lot. Couple of questions if you ever decide to make a part 2. 1. Does Tornado Shot(TS) helm enchant also affect the ballistas? 2.What are the advantages and disadvantage of Elemental TS(omni) vs Phys convert TS(omni) 3. Is the awakened GMP worth the premium? Thanks and love the videos
1.yes 2. Ele is cheaper and tankier as Phys convert you have to run hatred and in most cases purity of elements 3. Yes but it's a luxury item that you would upgrade to when you run out of reasonable gear upgrades. It is not worth it in the ballistas though just main skill
@@FuzzyDuckzy On general question for ele to phys conversion. Are all ele to phys conversions addative? Meaning if I have let´s say 50% on Gloves and then from the Tree 40% phys to cold and then from hatred the rest. Is that enough? Or is it always better to scale phys to cold as much as possible? Your support for the community is much appreciated
@@FuzzyDuckzy Why would you need to run PoE for going phys convert? The only thing that changes is your bow going to phys and a glove prefix + implicit; I don't see how your resists should be impacted at all? The massive thread of hope (which is almost as good on ele version) drops you by 10-12 allres but that shouldn't make you need PoE. Ailment immunity is also unaffected between ele and cold convert versions. Phys convert should also be tankier than ele since you have bigger chills and freezes, and you still run determ and grace on the phys version (I run Determ+Grace+Hatred+Anomalous Blood and Sand+Precision)
@@Xsia1 i mention purity as 95% of Phys build I have seen run hyris so you need purity for ailments. I am not saying Phys is bad but nearly every example I have seen looks squishy if you drop the HH or mageblood that most people seem to have and I rarely see a build with over 4k life Phys bows are also much more expensive to craft and without a decent one your damage falls off considerably. It also sounds from your auras that you run an enlightened 4 or lots of reservation gear which all comes at a cost.
@@Dirk_Berserk It should still be ok since the arrow should still pierce the enemy although I have never played TS on console so not too sure. When you get enough invested you do not really need to aim anyway
Hiya, I'm a Tornado Shot newbie and I've got a few questions. First off, is there a way to remove name locking? It seems like the sweet spot for the skill is aiming slightly behind the boss, which is impossible with namelocking. Also, could you do a short video showing where this sweet spot is? I'm sitting on 10 projectiles without endless munitions since flesh/flames are so expensive right now, and I can't figure out where to aim.
@@FuzzyDuckzy PC. It's very noticeable especially on Lycia 2 electric boogaloo, my shots always go directly on top of her if I can see her name and it's real irritating.
Hey Fuzzy, been watching your guides for a while, got a question about GMP, would you remove it at some point? I am currently at 8 arrows without GMP and 12 with it, do you think running GMP is overkill at this point?
I think at 8 arrows it's your choice. I still think awakened GMP giving you 5 more arrows is still better than anything else you could do. However if it's normal GMP I think either works fine. Can I ask how you got 8 arrows do you have a +3 bow and +2 quiver?
@@FuzzyDuckzy First, thanks for your reply and information, yes I got a mirrored bow and quiver. I tried running awakened fork for maps and it doesn't feel bad at all with 8 arrows without GMP, I guess I will keep testing and see what fits my liking more
Hi, first thanks for you guides. One thing you didnt mention and I'm wondering is how important is gem level, for exemple I rolled cold damage and +2 level of socketed bow gems on a bow is it worth multimoding for TS or does the extra gem level not grant much ?
I simply love Tornado shot, because its the closest thing to good old Unholy Essence Multishot in Diablo 3. My only real beef is that it takes forever to get off the ground and it's really difficult to level with. (I have this particular beef with a lot of skills) Time for a video explaining how Trinity works and the pros cons vs. non trinity build!
Heya, been absolutely loving TS following your build, but one thing I see in many other omni trinity builds is that they tend to run the interrogation jewel for secrets of suffering, is there a reason why you don’t decide to go this route?
I run it now but you have to have a lot of increased ailment effect otherwise your brittle will be too low to make it worth running. You will probably want something like 100% increased effect of non damaging ailments
I don't think you would convert you would either go ele trinity or cold conversion from the off as they are both end game builds. I am not a massive fan of the cold version though as it's too squishy for my liking
You are wrong about projectile speed. The Bow Mastery that gives increased damage based on projectile speed only works till 100%. After you reach it, you won't get any more damage increase. Also after around 150% projectile speed, your arrows will still increase in range, but they will try to hit enemies that are too far away from you and they wont do any damage, so there is soft cap, but 100% projectile speed is crucial :)
I am not sure that is correct after testing as I have 250% projectile speed and adding more increases still pushes my DPS up. I also remember when this mastery came out and GGG provided an example where having 300% increased proj speed would give you 300% increased damage with bows. I also lose 13.5% DPS if I remove this one mastery which makes me think there is no cap. The only thing that doesn't work with this is anything that says " more projectile speed " as this is not "increased" I also think the 150 cap you are referring to is the max travel distance of an arrow for the purposes of damage with things like far shot which is not really related to projectile speed but more to stop insane damage scaling abuse
Thanks for this. Looking for a speedy map farmer and wondering why these characters looks so insanely weak in PoB, yet I watch them steamroll juiced as hell maps. My lvl 99 deadeye laying around might be put to use now.
They look weak mainly for 2 reasons. 1. They look squishy but when you learn how to play and what map mods to avoid you shouldn't be dying. I levelled my 2 deadeye TS characters to 99 & 100 this league and on paper they look squishy. DPS is also misleading in pob as you can hit the same enemy with multiple arrows
Duration is terrible and kind of useless on any boss fight over 4 seconds since you only get 1 charge. You can run it if you don't have extra arrows anywhere but it also means dropping either a defensive flask or diamond which massively lowers your crit chance.
@@FuzzyDuckzy there are relics that can add impale, maim, adds # dmg per att, crit chance, crit multi, minus ele res on hit, etc etc. Should we just PoB it to see which ones the best? Sure it's rng but you can still have many of them but don't know which one's the best or to prioritize
@@Genemesis it is quicker for each individual player to PoB their own relics than me have to spend hours putting every relic into PoB. What gear and build version you play will also hugely affect which relic is best, ie, if you are pure elemental impale does nothing but on a phys build it might be good
No you do not lose damage as it is not the piercing projectile that does the majority of the damage. However it sounds like Tornado Shot might be a bit awkward on console as you ideally want to aim behind the boss for big single target damage.
You can't really as it's not guaranteed how many hit an event but I think half the number of afford you fire multiplied by your pobs DPS is a rough single target amount
@@FuzzyDuckzy Hello. many thx for answer on another noob question that probably you have a millions per day. So, hit dps from multiple number of arrow that I have more or less. thx!
Herald damage is hard to scale so in tough content you actually do not get many explosions and with so many projectiles you will clear the screen without explosions. If you are heavily scaling cold damage then Herald of Ice makes sense but outside of that I would not adjust the build to fit in a herald
There are gems called forbidden flame and flesh that drop from eater of worlds and exarch. You need to get the same ascendancy on both jewels and it will then allocate the point when you slot the jewels They are expensive though i think I paid 14 divines for the set
I think Mathil has a Voltaxic Rift build that is lightning arrow but pretty sure he says in the video that it works well with TS so might be worth checking it out. Thanks for dropping by :)
It would probably be good for just single target but for clear the coverage would be worse. I have honestly never tried it as always go for awakened GMP as it is 5 projectiles.
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Thank you for your commitment explaining everything. People like you and pox help a lot in understanding every corner of the game. 400 h in and finally got the ropes. Im able to look for marketneeds and make my own farmstrats to buy items for new builds like Ts
Thanks. I think you hit the nail on the head with the most important thing which is knowing what stats you need as this makes buying gear easier and gives you much more ability to craft your own gear much cheaper than market price. It applies to pretty much any build in the game
How did he get more then 8 ascendancy points ?
@@romercreate5232 forbidden flame and flesh jewels but they are very expensive for deadeye
As someone who plays only TS for a long time now, I appreciate this video. Can share it with guildmates who are often asking questions about how the gem works :)
Damn, this was a real lesson on TS.
I took Pierce Support out, and Faster Projectiles in. The difference was gigantic, fell of my chair when i tested it =)
TY Sir
makes sense because it pierces anyways
@@areyouseriousholmes assuming pierce would also apply to secondary projectiles with the support gem, but not sure
Lol, here I am playing for month on Trinity TS and had no idea about multiple things! Thanks a ton for a vid
An addition to the topic at 8:00, secondary projectiles from split tornado shots can hit the same enemy, so increased effect on sniper's mark also increase this benefit. Sniper's mark is actually what has brought up TS from being a premium mapping skill to being a great boss killer also, with the projectile weakness rework in 3.12 heist league.
An addendum on the split mechanic, the split projectiles will auto-target enemies in range (which I believe is close to 60 units), but if there are not enough enemies in range for it to target the projectiles are not wasted and will target a random location at maximum range.
Good work on the TS content and let's hope GGG never nerfs it :)
Thanks for the extra info. The auto targeting makes sense. I tested the base gem and it would not auto target but that might be because with zero proj speed there was not enough range for them to target.
Handy to know about the Sniper's mark thing. Glad I bought the video out now as I learn stuff myself :)
I always wanted to do a tornado shot... but ice shot and other builds awlays just sounds better. now i understood the skill i give it a try :) Thanks!
Thanks man, I never understood how TS worked.
Excellent video. Thanks. I'm not good at making currency but you make me want to play TS again.
This video was incredible. Thanks a lot man.
This was very clear. Thank you!
Thanks for explaining ! I've been playing RF for the last forever, would like to try out tornado shot next league! Where can i find your PoB?
There are lots of videos for TS this league. My POB is 530 divines worth so depends how rich you are :) This is what I would aim for as a good all round build ua-cam.com/video/tR6XZlVrk4E/v-deo.html
Do you think I can follow what you did in the "Omniscience transition" video with a 50div budget? Thank you for the content, I'm just having issue finding a guide talking about omniscience and how to scale the build.
Yeah you should be fine doing that just ignore the onslaught ring it is not needed and they are very expensive
Scale the build is simple, extra arrows, stack attributes, at some point around 1800-2000 Omni, you're resists will be capped and you'll be sitting at over -100% enemy Ele resist after the penetration.
Just becomes better to use the suffix for something else, like suppression or avoid ailment, or crit or crit or crit! :)
@@chrisklooz9538 i put the build together yesterday with a friend of mine bht I'm very squishy, going to work on that today.
@@FuzzyDuckzy great, thank you!
hey! love build but sometimes get a random oneshot death which is annoying if u want top get lvl 100, have u tested Progenesis flask in terms of survivability ??
No not bought the flask to test yet but might do at some point
i love this video. I have played a lot of TS and i still leaned some thing new, like that the travel distance for the 2ed arrows includes the first arrow.
I would love to see more of this kind of videos (like for rain of arrows) just in case of you needs video ideas ;)
Glad you enjoyed it. I am planning to do a few more tutorial like videos I just need to try and decide on format and what to cover. I want to try and focus on things that are unlikely to change massively through the leagues so that they remain relevant (Although this is tricky with POE :))
what is the MTX combo that you use on the first character? amazing video btw
I think that is the elder set. I think it might be called Elder Darkseer
Would you recommend dropping focal point or tailwind for ricochet if we can't afford the forbidden jewels? I know you mentioned awakened chain in the other video but it doesn't have the chaining off terrain feature, which seems to be more valuable than the chain itself
I would probably not run far shot if I could not afford the jewels and would run tailwind and focal point
@@FuzzyDuckzy Thanks for the reply!
Thanks for this video as a tornado shot enjoyer Iearned a lot. Couple of questions if you ever decide to make a part 2.
1. Does Tornado Shot(TS) helm enchant also affect the ballistas?
2.What are the advantages and disadvantage of Elemental TS(omni) vs Phys convert TS(omni)
3. Is the awakened GMP worth the premium?
Thanks and love the videos
1.yes 2. Ele is cheaper and tankier as Phys convert you have to run hatred and in most cases purity of elements 3. Yes but it's a luxury item that you would upgrade to when you run out of reasonable gear upgrades. It is not worth it in the ballistas though just main skill
@@FuzzyDuckzy thank you for the answers!
@@FuzzyDuckzy On general question for ele to phys conversion. Are all ele to phys conversions addative? Meaning if I have let´s say 50% on Gloves and then from the Tree 40% phys to cold and then from hatred the rest. Is that enough? Or is it always better to scale phys to cold as much as possible? Your support for the community is much appreciated
@@FuzzyDuckzy Why would you need to run PoE for going phys convert? The only thing that changes is your bow going to phys and a glove prefix + implicit; I don't see how your resists should be impacted at all? The massive thread of hope (which is almost as good on ele version) drops you by 10-12 allres but that shouldn't make you need PoE. Ailment immunity is also unaffected between ele and cold convert versions.
Phys convert should also be tankier than ele since you have bigger chills and freezes, and you still run determ and grace on the phys version (I run Determ+Grace+Hatred+Anomalous Blood and Sand+Precision)
@@Xsia1 i mention purity as 95% of Phys build I have seen run hyris so you need purity for ailments. I am not saying Phys is bad but nearly every example I have seen looks squishy if you drop the HH or mageblood that most people seem to have and I rarely see a build with over 4k life
Phys bows are also much more expensive to craft and without a decent one your damage falls off considerably. It also sounds from your auras that you run an enlightened 4 or lots of reservation gear which all comes at a cost.
yoooo your wall looks like a shirt, on the other side, thanks for the explanation bro, :) nice vid
awesome job explaining everything in detail
Glad you liked it
@@FuzzyDuckzy I'm not sure how well it'll do on console because we can't aim at the ground.
@@Dirk_Berserk It should still be ok since the arrow should still pierce the enemy although I have never played TS on console so not too sure. When you get enough invested you do not really need to aim anyway
@@FuzzyDuckzy lol good point
@@FuzzyDuckzy works fine
This is such good content I am commenting twice. Wooo
Haha thanks
6:52 you can get far shot from the unique bow as well
Hiya, I'm a Tornado Shot newbie and I've got a few questions. First off, is there a way to remove name locking? It seems like the sweet spot for the skill is aiming slightly behind the boss, which is impossible with namelocking. Also, could you do a short video showing where this sweet spot is? I'm sitting on 10 projectiles without endless munitions since flesh/flames are so expensive right now, and I can't figure out where to aim.
are you on console or PC as the skill should not name lock you just aim your cursor just behind bosses for maximum single target
@@FuzzyDuckzy PC. It's very noticeable especially on Lycia 2 electric boogaloo, my shots always go directly on top of her if I can see her name and it's real irritating.
Master class in Tornado Shot
Ty
Thanks :)
Nice Video :D learned a lot
Hey Fuzzy, just a practical question, does greater Vollery support allow the multi hit per fired shot like GMP ? Thanks for the video !
I am pretty sure does it is just way worse for clear speed due to the way the arrows fire
@@FuzzyDuckzy Allright, thank you =)
Hey Fuzzy, been watching your guides for a while, got a question about GMP, would you remove it at some point? I am currently at 8 arrows without GMP and 12 with it, do you think running GMP is overkill at this point?
I think at 8 arrows it's your choice. I still think awakened GMP giving you 5 more arrows is still better than anything else you could do. However if it's normal GMP I think either works fine.
Can I ask how you got 8 arrows do you have a +3 bow and +2 quiver?
@@FuzzyDuckzy First, thanks for your reply and information, yes I got a mirrored bow and quiver. I tried running awakened fork for maps and it doesn't feel bad at all with 8 arrows without GMP, I guess I will keep testing and see what fits my liking more
Hi, first thanks for you guides. One thing you didnt mention and I'm wondering is how important is gem level, for exemple I rolled cold damage and +2 level of socketed bow gems on a bow is it worth multimoding for TS or does the extra gem level not grant much ?
+ bow levels is pretty pointless as TS gains little from levels. +1 to all gems would be ok but still not better than a damage prefix
I simply love Tornado shot, because its the closest thing to good old Unholy Essence Multishot in Diablo 3. My only real beef is that it takes forever to get off the ground and it's really difficult to level with. (I have this particular beef with a lot of skills) Time for a video explaining how Trinity works and the pros cons vs. non trinity build!
Yeah it is an awful skill to level with but like Ayas commented Lightning Arrow or Rain or Arrows level really nicely
Heya, been absolutely loving TS following your build, but one thing I see in many other omni trinity builds is that they tend to run the interrogation jewel for secrets of suffering, is there a reason why you don’t decide to go this route?
I run it now but you have to have a lot of increased ailment effect otherwise your brittle will be too low to make it worth running. You will probably want something like 100% increased effect of non damaging ailments
Hi thank you for all of the great TS content. Will you ever make a video explaining how to transition from the omni ele ts to phys convertion?
I don't think you would convert you would either go ele trinity or cold conversion from the off as they are both end game builds. I am not a massive fan of the cold version though as it's too squishy for my liking
@@FuzzyDuckzy yeah I meant the phys to cold variant I guess I worded it wrong. Thanks for the answer.
You are wrong about projectile speed. The Bow Mastery that gives increased damage based on projectile speed only works till 100%. After you reach it, you won't get any more damage increase.
Also after around 150% projectile speed, your arrows will still increase in range, but they will try to hit enemies that are too far away from you and they wont do any damage, so there is soft cap, but 100% projectile speed is crucial :)
I am not sure that is correct after testing as I have 250% projectile speed and adding more increases still pushes my DPS up. I also remember when this mastery came out and GGG provided an example where having 300% increased proj speed would give you 300% increased damage with bows. I also lose 13.5% DPS if I remove this one mastery which makes me think there is no cap. The only thing that doesn't work with this is anything that says " more projectile speed " as this is not "increased"
I also think the 150 cap you are referring to is the max travel distance of an arrow for the purposes of damage with things like far shot which is not really related to projectile speed but more to stop insane damage scaling abuse
Thanks for this. Looking for a speedy map farmer and wondering why these characters looks so insanely weak in PoB, yet I watch them steamroll juiced as hell maps. My lvl 99 deadeye laying around might be put to use now.
They look weak mainly for 2 reasons. 1. They look squishy but when you learn how to play and what map mods to avoid you shouldn't be dying. I levelled my 2 deadeye TS characters to 99 & 100 this league and on paper they look squishy.
DPS is also misleading in pob as you can hit the same enemy with multiple arrows
Great video! But how come you are not using dying sun?
Duration is terrible and kind of useless on any boss fight over 4 seconds since you only get 1 charge. You can run it if you don't have extra arrows anywhere but it also means dropping either a defensive flask or diamond which massively lowers your crit chance.
Love u fuzzer x
Hey could you do a guide which kind of relics are the best for TS?
There's not much point since relics are rng you would just add one that adds damage or defences
@@FuzzyDuckzy there are relics that can add impale, maim, adds # dmg per att, crit chance, crit multi, minus ele res on hit, etc etc. Should we just PoB it to see which ones the best? Sure it's rng but you can still have many of them but don't know which one's the best or to prioritize
@@Genemesis it is quicker for each individual player to PoB their own relics than me have to spend hours putting every relic into PoB. What gear and build version you play will also hugely affect which relic is best, ie, if you are pure elemental impale does nothing but on a phys build it might be good
Do you lose damage the more enemies it pierces? As a console player i have no cursor to tell my arrow where to stop and explode.
No you do not lose damage as it is not the piercing projectile that does the majority of the damage. However it sounds like Tornado Shot might be a bit awkward on console as you ideally want to aim behind the boss for big single target damage.
IRL vid about the cat when xx
Haha maybe one day but I don't have a good camera yet
How to calculate "bow attacks fires additonal arrow" in PoB? :)
You can't really as it's not guaranteed how many hit an event but I think half the number of afford you fire multiplied by your pobs DPS is a rough single target amount
@@FuzzyDuckzy Hello. many thx for answer on another noob question that probably you have a millions per day. So, hit dps from multiple number of arrow that I have more or less. thx!
@@FuzzyDuckzy so just add 60% more dmg if you have total of 12 arrows for example?
Is it possible to use Trinity support + a Herald skill for explosions?
Herald damage is hard to scale so in tough content you actually do not get many explosions and with so many projectiles you will clear the screen without explosions. If you are heavily scaling cold damage then Herald of Ice makes sense but outside of that I would not adjust the build to fit in a herald
Anyone knows how he has 5 Ascendancy skill? I’m searching on the Poe website, but I didn’t find anything… Thanks.
There are gems called forbidden flame and flesh that drop from eater of worlds and exarch. You need to get the same ascendancy on both jewels and it will then allocate the point when you slot the jewels
They are expensive though i think I paid 14 divines for the set
Why most build dont use Multiple projectile gem with it?
Every good Build should use GMP or awakened GMP
can we voltaxic rift this shit? just love that bow lol
I think Mathil has a Voltaxic Rift build that is lightning arrow but pretty sure he says in the video that it works well with TS so might be worth checking it out. Thanks for dropping by :)
what about volley support instead gmp
because of geometry reasons (more secondary proj hit the target because of shape)?
It would probably be good for just single target but for clear the coverage would be worse. I have honestly never tried it as always go for awakened GMP as it is 5 projectiles.
hi what we use an campaign ?
In the campaign for levelling bows I would go rain of arrows or lightning arrow. Tornado shot feels terrible
@@FuzzyDuckzy sorry but What are the supp gems for rain of arrows ?
@@d7my891 This is a levelling league start guide ua-cam.com/video/oyC0c0CXe7s/v-deo.html
Your video is 1 second too long ;)