The Wilfried Zaha Conundrum
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Wilfried Zaha has been a talisman for Crystal Palace. He has been their go-to man, and they have built a squad around his best skills. But that could have been different if they had accepted the €40million bid from Arsenal in 2019.
Why did they not accept it? Why did they prioritise keeping Zaha? And do they have a similar conundrum on the horizon?
Jon Mackenzie explains. Craig Silcock illustrates.
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I'm surprised Tifo made this whole video and omitted the fact that part of the reason Zaha has such a high transfer fee is because of his high sell on clause (25%) to Man Utd. This creates that weird limbo that a club would need to overpay for the fee to ever be enough for Palace to sell a player that's vital to their team and why he was always going to walk for free.
That explains a lot, Tifo's video quality hasn't been as good these days. Probably a mistake by Palace not to renew his contract in 2021 when they were in a more positive headspace under Vieira's first season.
Came here to post this, weird it was missed
@@sususegar Nah. Zaha was never going to renew. He wants to test himself at a big team again.
@@TheCollateraldamage1 He extended his contract a couple months after they turned down that Arsenal bid
@@DIVIDEDNATION wasn't that just a year but with significantly improved terms
Palace getting value out of Zaha has kept them in the prem far longer than all those clubs who sold players with intention to reinvest
@@KRS_two that was in the championship not the prem
@@KRS_two Two completely different scenarios. They wouldve gotten a king’s ransom if they sold him 2 years ago.
Yep, who’d have thought that actually holding onto good players and not peddling them off to rich clubs could actually make smaller clubs better! 😁
@@KRS_two He wasn't the flop. They flopped for him. No player was succeeding in that system.
@@ronin4518 Yeah but how are you meant to succeed in something where no one succeeds. He didn't flop. The team was a flop.
How is this a question? Zaha kept Crystal Palace in the Premier League. That is worth incalculably more than $72 million
It's not a question, it's a conundrum
Yeah that is the conundrum. Zaha kept them at the BPL but now Zaha goes for a free transfer but with no notable replacement. This could mean relegation next season. In my opinion they should've extended his deal back in 2021 when they had a better footing in the BPL.
@@jakehyams8659 0
@@starlord7548 He's turned down every new deal
Question is what should they do in the future in similar situations with other players
I'm speaking for every Palace fan here - Zaha's worth to our club is more than any dollar-value transfer. He's been our talisman for the better part of 10 years, and has played a key part in keeping us up. I truly hope we manage to get him to sign an extension, because regardless of how old he is, we're going to struggle the second he leaves us. Not only that, but the 25% sell-on clause to Manchester United is something to seriously consider. In recent years we've invested super wisely. Eze, Guehi, Olise, Anderson are all fantastic players for us and will play a part in trying to push us up the ladder slowly but surely. I just pray we actually decide on an ambition rather than sell these players to bigger clubs for profit.
This summer might be full of opportunities for Palace:
The teams going down have some very good players to be picked up(KWP, Bella Kotchap, maybe T.Adams, Barnes, Sinisterra, Dewsbury-Hall) and in the Championship are also a few talents that won't make it up. (A.Scott, Piroe, I.Sarr, Swift, maybe even Gyokeres). Plus the clear out at Chelsea and potential Spurs could give Palace even more options. And there's a lot of very good free agent players available for a midtable Prem Club, like Skhiri, J.Bamba, v.d.Boomen, Lerma, Aouar, R.Kent, Morelos. Even if they loose Zaha and maybe Olise for a huge amount (60+ million), as long as they hold the rest together and make only one of them to profit, i think they will be okay, maybe come out even better.
*pound
M a manu fan , n for a fact Zaha is far worth more than Pepe n all
Of Chelsea’s players at the moment combined .
@@nanzingdadi3205 As an Arsenal fan I can concur.
@@chiggsytube savage 😂😂😂😂
I can’t simply tell you how important he is for palace and I am sure palace would have been relegated without him so there is no conundrum only praise for whoever made the decision to keep him.
you’ve watched palace lately?
@@marcelohendrix6139 lately they wouldn't, but before last year he was very important every other year
@@KRS_two They sold him after he personally took Palace to the EPL. He got us promoted and then left the same season
They could have easily bagged 70M plus for him back then but honestly I do feel they would have relegated because he’s been carrying them for years.
90 goals in 500 games isn’t carrying
@@RS-vy9qva few years ago they would’ve definitely got relegated with Zaha. Now they have some decent players like olise and eze so they don’t rely on him as much
Utd has a 25% sell on clause so 70m would have only been 52m for palace
I saw you in 2 seperate comment section in under 2minutes lol
@@dogdog2635 he was carrying, they was a stat they rarely won when he didn't play. used to get marked by 3 or 4 players which
opened space for others, now they have better players,
Because of Zaha, they stayed up long enough in the Prem to renovate their stadium (which used to be terrible), their academy and training grounds (which were extremely outdated). They have a distinct identity and a style of play that is well-coached all the way to academy kids. They also picked up new fans along the way too. Even if they do get relegated, they have built that capacity to ensure that they will have a clear advantage over Championship teams even with their young players.
As a palace fan, i would much rather have kept Zaha for this long and let him walk on a free rather than have sold up for 50 mil a few years ago. Besides, we’d only spend 5 mil of that and probably on someone like Berahino!
And you now have Eze. He's going to be a proper star.
I'd rather my team Spurs got Eze than Zaha if the opportunity ever arose.
@@jumhed994 The opportunity will rise when you guys change owners, which may not happen for a while.
Man saido berahino was breathtaking for exactly 1 season
Please never stop doing this style of videos. It's so calm, chill, informative and the animations are AWESOME. Thank you TIFO!
Agreed, footy youtube needs more of this and less Oafs in their basement screaming at their laptop cameras
Tbh i feel like Tifo is slipping a bit, there are certain agenda's their pushing and it never used to be like that. Yes the animation has evolved but sometimes the topics can be one-sided
@@AdonisNineteen99 so what you’re saying is they’ve been mean to your club so you’re upset.
@@AdonisNineteen99 like what?
"Should Palace have sold Zaha back when his stock was higher?"
No.
Staying up was far more valuable than the fee. Looks like a successful gamble.
In case of Zaha there is no problem for not selling him. Kane too for an extent is irreplaceable. Without these players their respective clubs will be 10-15 points behind.
Precisely.
Crystal already behind 😂
This 100%. Spurs would not be competing for Europe at all without Kane and I don't want to have to think of a Tottenham side without Kane. I've seen too many 1-0 wins, including the recent game over Palace, where I don't think they win without Kane. Long summer ahead on that front.
Keeping Zaha at Crystal Palace has been mutually beneficial for both player and club: The former is guarenteed playing time, and has prospered with his goal scoring record, the latter likewise has maintained their position in the top tier of English football and could challenge for better positions (i.e. European slots) in successive seasons. There are plenty of examples of clubs that have fallen apart after selling their star player (e.g. Leeds and Kalvin Philips) and more where that star player has struggled to make it into a different squad, for whatever reason or another (e.g. Danny Drinkwater at Chelsea).
100 percent worth it. To many clubs have sold too easily and try to get in replacements that don’t work. Zaha has been instrumental in helping Palace maintain their Premier League status and the players brought in such as Olise, Eze, Guehi are improving them further
I wish we had more top ballers at smaller clubs... modern day Le Tissier vibes... why is Richarlison a backup waste at Spurs when he would be an adored talisman at Everton... it's better for nuetrals to have more talent on the pitch. I hate City for robbing us of 80 dazzling Mahrez performancea... Gundogen performances... Foden performances that they would've undoubtedly gave us at clubs who nailed them on as starters. Elite talent on the bench is just tragic for every fan apart from the oil backed turds at the top.
Completely agree. But Football now is about money. Plain and simple .
The players want to make as much money as possible
The club's want to make as much money as possible
The owners want to make as much money as possible.
Never be under the illusion that the "badge kissing" striker who claims to love the club and the fans wouldn't walk away to sit on Manchester City's bench for a few more quid.
Having an exciting, competitive league is only important when fans start walking away. But they never will.
Somehow I haven’t really thought of it in these terms but you make a great point
You need to accept how great a coach Pep Guardiola is. Remember KDB at chelsea? Sterling at Liverpool? Kyle Walker at Tottenham? Big Sam or Tony Pulis aint getting THAT Foden of him.
His contributed his part in helping them stay in the Prem. That is an achievement of its own and should be respected. His worth more to Palace than 70mil.
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I wish you made longer videos, your work is good
This season Palace played better when Zaha wasn’t available, so I think they’ll be fine after he leaves on a free this summer. And in general, I like to see smallish clubs keep good players rather than automatically selling every good player to one of the rich clubs.
Zaha's worth to Palace can't really be quantified this way anyway. I'm sure every fan at Selhurst would say not cashing in on him has paid tenfold in terms of the football they've got to witness.
Wilfred keeping the team in the Prem is worth more than 70 million I would think.
Olise and Eze are proof we are okay without Zaha.
However Zaha is oir greatest and still has something to offer in his closing years. The 200k a week offer that the media mentioned is true in some sense only that its made up of performance bonuses.
Hope he stays, understand if he departs and would never blame him. Forever grateful ❤💙
Yeah at this point that man can do whatever he wants and no one can say a bad word about it - £200k a week looks a lot but he’s earned a bumper contract for giving us his best years and more
Olise and Eze don't have the heart and grit of zaha.
@@rainbowthegod Maybe not. But I take Eze and Olise now over Zaha. The three together is great but there's no chance I'll trade that duo for Wilf.
@@user-bt2tv3oe4n Better to have talent spread across the entire squad anyways.
You're in for a shock.
When we had Zaha at Manchester United we wasted his career since Moyes also wasted Kagawa on the wing where we could have played Zaha there. One of the few players Manchester United could have turned to legit stars. Without Zaha, Palace no question would not be still in the Premier League. In 17/18 Zaha singlehandedly kept Palace up and I can't blame Palace for not selling him for a long time since he returned. Should Zaha leave on a free, it will be difficult to replace him and at the same time will be difficult for Zaha to play in a Champions League club since he's 30 years old unless Newcastle United qualifies but their qualification isn't secure yet.
What's with this "singlehandedly" rubbish?
The other ten players on the pitch counted for nothing, did they?
Why are you using Euros and GBP in the same graph? Odd.
Please never stop doing this style of videos
Its surprised to see this information. Thanks for sharing..
Please never stop doing this style of videos❤
Love the content but can we also bring back the Sensible Transfers please?
Hes our goat no doubt about it. Cant even be stated enough how imoortant hes been for us.
Look at Southampton. They kept selling their best players and bam relegation.
This is why this "rebuild with the money" stuff is nonsense. I don't see the value of the Van Dijk transfer on the pitch, same with Fofana with Leicester. It would have been even worse with Palace as Zaha was by far their best player at the time
@@DIVIDEDNATION And then look at dortmund tha does it successfully every year, is not nonsense you just need good scouts, and never to overinvest so that if a player flops you have backup funds
@@adeeee5279 Either success like Dortmund or implode like Schalke
Very interested and informative video with excellent detail ❤❤❤❤lovely
great as always but I think you guys should EQ the bass down a bit in Joe's booming voice
I understand CP not selling Zaha he has been their main man for a long time but they do need to figure out a lot of things if theybare to remain competitive in the EPL
Wow wats the issue with abbreviating Palace🤣 didn't see it as a big deal though
Leo!! Don't abbreviate Crystal Palace!
dont ever say CP again mate
LEO BE A BIT MORE CAREFUL LAD 😂
Lmao 😂
Leo you can edit this again, brother.
Good review 👍
Zaha is the only genuine talisman Palace have. He brings a competitive edge and confidence to the dressing room, something Tifo's dullard stats and figures drones past. Oh, and the 25% Man Utd sell on fee which was comfortably ignored.
Yeah, this was too much of an accountants type of video.
Zaha is so underrated ngl he deserves more attention
Palace keeping Zaha worked wonders for the club. He keeper them up all these years, and this is the perfect rime to let him go
This is by far the worst TIFO Football video, it's something that TalkSport would do. Theres no debate to be had, the best thing Crystal Palace have done in their recent history was clinging onto Zaha.
So firstly Arsenal bidded £40 million, what they paid for Pepe is irrelevant as they didnt offer Palace that figure, that is a stupid logic that fans have picked up on.
Secondly, Manchester United had a 25% sell on clause, so United would have got £10 million from Arsenals £40 million offer leaving Palace to try and find a Zaha replacement with £30 million whiich is never hoing yo happen which keads me to my next point.
Palace would have had to use that money to replace Zaha, thete would have been no profit again no-one factors this in, their squad proved they werent hood enough without him as we all remember that awful record when he didnt play.
Relegation, yes relegation. For a channel as articulate as TIFO this factor alone was worth Palace keeping him, Palace had a high wage bill and if they got relegated the would have been constricted to a more toihher FFP and at the time, they had the 17th highest wage bill in Europe, they needed every penny of that Prem money. By keeping him, theyve bridged the gap and now Eze & Olise are ready to takeover.
This video is just gobby journalism to get engagement from the low IQ Football fan who uses narratives without context. Which is disappointing when a channel like TIFO does it
That's the sad part of today's media they trade quality information for more clicks from gullible consumers
The reason Arsenal paid £70m for Pepe is that Palace set an asking price of £80m for Zaha, so it is relevant
@@Jluyoungzone Incorrect, their Chairman came out and said the figure was £70 million. The figure raised when Arsenal already signed Pepe and the season started so Palace would have had to pay more for a replacement but that was because Everton were dragging their feet with an improved bid and the season started. Like I said, Arsenal never offered more than £40 Million. Emery & Zaha's stories on the saga confirms this. Emery said that Arsenal went behind his back and got him Pepe he wanted Zaha but Arsenal thought £40 million was his valuation. Zaha doubled down on this saying that Emery said he wanted him then he heard nothing and the next thing he knew, they signed Pepe. Everton were only team who made a decent offer bringing Arsenal into the debate is just for dramatic reasons as Pepe flopped
@D C The chairman can say whatever they want, but most of the news outlets at the time reported 80 million.
Whether it was 70 or 80 million, it doesn't change the fact that Arsenal walked away from the deal because of the disparity between their valuation of Zaha, and Palace's valuation. They didn't want to waste their time and went for the Pepe deal, which they saw as more favourable. It's relevant information imo
@@Jluyoungzone looks like they bottled that transfer, glad it wasn't a sign of things to come though.
Thanks for this information
I like the idea that at least all Prem League clubs can have one 'franchise' player like in the NBA, will help the club grow as its basically the idea of a player in which the team can be built on.
Very informative 👍👍👍👍
Excellent thanks 👍
I still don’t understand why in this day and age wages aren’t mentioned when calculating a player’s value. It is a known fact now that doing the accounting for a football club that the player amortisation is a linear calculation of transfer fee + wages over the length of the contract.
Very informative video
WHAT is the instrumental behind this video? its gorgeous
Nice review
How much of the ball does Zaha need to be effective? Like really, how many shots, dribbles etc is he allowed, and where else would he be allowed to play with the freedom he does at Palace? Anyone got some stats to back that?
Great information
Mind you, no matter how well their recruitment performs they won't chase any title since there are more compact teams with much better managers. The issue in my opinion is not ending up 6th in a league. Entirely possible if they have an entire year of great form next year. The issue is that their aspiring stars will get taken by teams with bigger budgets as soon as possible and that leaves the team in this entire cycle of JUST participating. If they are JUST going to participate in the League like many other teams not going through relegation woes or chasing titles. I think it makes sense to keep your best players until the value is low.
Amazing work video 🤩👍👌🎊💖
I feel like crystal palace's situation is similar to poch's southhampton. They were able to recruit well, and retain players for a 2-3 year period of time to shoot up the table and avoid relegation. Only after the manager left and the squad was gutted of its key players did they begin to decline. Zaha has consistenly performed well over the years for palace, and I think that relegation is going to be a risk for any non-top 6 club regardless of who because of increasing competition and money in the premier league. If they could be like Leicester, west ham, wolves or Southampton and manage to have a few good years and European football could bring good memorable years to the club. I think that is good example because all of these clubs have had relative success in the prem and Europe and are all recently threatened by relegation.
In contrast, brentford have obviously done extraordinarily well selling players and using data to recruit and manage their team.
To keep in mind, this is about retaining good players at the club to do well, rather than being like everton, who tried to build an amazing team with no real foundation.
I just worry where Palace would have been without Zaha, his presence can't be replaced when you're a team who don't have the pull of being in Europe. I also look at what happened after Spurs sold Bale and the amount of players that came in, had little impact and no resale value
Great video
Zaha is a counter-attack player. His value at clubs in relegation battle is greater than in top flight clubs. He doesn't worth more than 40M to Arsenal but much more than 40M to Crystal Palace.
Palace haven't played counter attacking football for two seasons now 🤦
Great Analysis
What are his ambitions? To have a few medals? To be a crystal palace club legend? A lot of questions to ask for him personally
He’s already a club legend. He deserves to compete for medals with his talent
@@robbiewizz658 too late now he’s not that good anymore
@@adams... I disagree he’s got 3 more years or more he’s scored the most goals he’s ever down in a season because he’s got more support around him that can affect a game..l with better players he can be even better… Players are playing for longer now on a free he’s well worth it
As a palace fan this has been going on well to long and with the young talent of eze olise etc he should feel safe to go now as we don’t rely on him as much as we did
He is to Palace, what N'Zogbia was for Wigan back in the day.
I think they as a club have benefited greatly from his presence. He should have perhaps kicked up a fuss to get a move sooner. He is a player that could (should) be playing champions league football not worrying about premier league survival. I think he’d do well at a Atletico Madrid or perhaps AC Milan. Maybe by moving to one of the two aforementioned clubs he’d earn less money, but this a talent that deserves to be showcased on a Wednesday evening somewhere! Let’s be honest, I am sure he isn’t struggling for cash.
Nice information
In these scenarios I would almost always favour keeping a good player and letting them go on a free. The risk to replace a proven quality player is just too high to justify msot transfer fees, compared with the earnings from staying in the league.
Good information
Superb video
Zaha reminds me of a younger Zaha. They're very similar players, almost identical in fact. The only thing that seperates them is time.
Good job 👍👍
always assumed Palace and Zaha had an agreement he would stay and help them until his contract runs out and he get a couple years in a foreign league playing European football before he retires. The 25% sell on clause killed his chances of moving for a transfer fee.
Excellent video..
100% agree - you only have to look at Southampton who have a much better youth academy than us, yet they sold the majority of those players and where are they next season?
Interesting video 👍
Is zaha going to newcastle? I'd probably watch every one of their games if they field him with asm
So, If zaha is a difference maker in a team, then why is he still in crystal palace? Is it the money, or the prestige? The prestige being in a bigger club. Or a club that pays you more money?
Its really a tight spot for them, only thing they can do is invest on their youth system or poach young players that arent getting game time at big clubs i.e omari hutchinson when he was playing for arsenal or even now from chelsea and so on
From Norbury to Thornton Heath, he’s a legend ❤
Fabulous video
Thanks for covering the club I support! I don’t think we “had” to let those experienced players go. It was a choice, and the club had planned for it in advance. It’s fair to say that the players we signed that summer after the clear out are easily some of the best players at the club right now. For me personally, I’m happy we kept Zaha. The only regret is that we didn’t sign Gallagher rather than loan him. Maybe this summer we have another go at bringing him back!
Good job 👏👏👏👏
I blinked at the pronunciation of Joachim Andersen 😅
What about Eberi Eze having re-sale value?
Animation are awesome
Great job
Excellent 👍👍👍
Apart from the PL money, Tifo are forgetting the TV revenue PL gets is faaar more than that of the Championship. There is also a sell-on clause, and there are no guarantees that a relegated club will come back up the next season.
Good content excellent video
Hey Tifo Football! Let's make the Harry Kane Conundrum video! It will look almost the same like this one. :D
Elyonousi from Southampton and soyuncu from leicester could be decent pick ups for free and would have a resale value as they are what 27-28 even if you sold them after say a season and got 10-15 million you could easily sell to any newly promoted sides as they are desperate for players with premier league experience.
Really weird how the video alternates between Euros and Pounds, though.
Still has the coolest name of any club tho
Outstanding
It’s amazing how this has become the narrative. We tried to keep all of those players, the only one that didn’t refuse to play was Maguire.
From Norbury to Thornton Heath He is a legend ❤️
Palace could be trying to avoid what Leicester did; selling their important players and while they made a healthy profit off them, their replacements didn't work and in the end they just fell apart.
Very good 👍
Hi Tifo, please explain to me why United are keeping Jones, Maguire in the team.
Very nice 👍👍
Everton had two offers of £55m and £70m turned down for him in the same window
Very nice 👍👍👍
Wow amazing ❤
…Olise & Eze are both adequate replacements for Zaha but in the long run not selling him has made Palace more money & kept them in the league, also Palace would have to give a huge chunk of any transfer fee to United in a sell on clause?
Wonderful
What's the hit rate on new signings? Maybe one in three? Just look at the guy arsenal bought instead of Zaha - cost them £70m and was a massive flop, now worth