Quite unbelievable that RE chose not to invite you but invited all kinds of totally inept opportunistic but "pliable" "youtubers" for the Shimla ride shindig Amitbhai, looks like they can't stand a little bit constructive criticism, here's hoping you stick to your guns my friend and carve out your own path
I think RE may be come with tubeless options and seat height everything in MIY .. hoping for tubeless rims option or a variant that to be launched . the urge is real .
I don't agree with the low end torque comment. Even though it has an almost square/over square engine, it produces more torque than LS411 from 2000-2500rpm region. The percentage torque available at this range compared to maximum torque will be lesser in 452, but it's still more than produced by LS411 from 2000rpm. But the revving required also depends upon gear ratio also, which may not differ that much in lower gears . Also the weight is in slightly positive side for new one. So the extra revving required in new Himalayan for the same movement as old one will be very less, like 0.5-1k rpm maximum. Not as much as 2-2.5k rpm as you said. High speed will be 150-160 as you said. So the sherpa 450 should be considerably more versatile than old one.
It will be versatile, I'm sure. But I still think that the absolute low end torque and tractability will still be better on the old one. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts
@@motoroidsexactly how ?! The 452 cc engine produces more torque than the previous gen 411 and is 3kg lighter. Even on the 2500rpm mark it produces around 33NM vs 27NM( in 411 on 2500rpm ) which is equal to the peak torque for the old 411. Then how can you say that the low end tractibility would be better in the old gen ? It's not like the 33NM would come abruptly and hit you in the face @2500rpm. It will build up...which is again comparable to the older 411 and will be higher as well. This comment I don't think is valid unless you get to ride the motorcycle yourself.
@@rudranilkundu6114yes, I agree with you. Amit bhai, at 2500rpm, the sherpa 450 has more torque than the peak torque of LS 410. There will be no issue with low end torque for sure. They've really nailed it this time.
Reviews are out, and the new engine does lack the low end, tractor-like characteristics of the 411 block. Which one will miss if the old and new models are ridden back to back on a stretch where low-end poke is your friend. Something like climbing the Kunzum Pass. But since the new engine makes considerably more power elsewhere, the new bike will reward an aggressive riding style, more than the old machine. Yay!
@@Karan-zl6gg Not that much. The reviews are taken from the Himalayas, where the power & torque produced in the engine are 10-30% lower to low altitude areas. Once it's ridden at lower altitudes, we can say. And the gears are positioned in a longer spectrum as the engine is capable. So if you change the sprocket, it may roll like old Himalayan in low rpm also.
Something no one talks about… At the new engine the valve clearance is adjusted by shims! That means you couldn’t do it easily by yourself as on the old one with tapped screws! Maybe you have to get out the cams to change the shims, which would result in very high maintenance cost!!!
I prefer this over the older one because although low end focused torque is a good thing for trails and the mountains, if you’re gonna ride long distances on highways to get to the mountains, you can get a bit impatient with the old Himalayan 411. I am carefully watching this bike and waiting to see what people say about this.
I recommend watching the interview with the Engine designer. The power and torque curves are very similar to the old Himalayan but significantly higher. It was designed for low RPM torque in spite of it's Bore/Stroke ratio. It has a dry sump which allows for a greater ground clearance. It is a lighter engine and significantly more complex design which makes me concerned for it's durability.
Well i would suggest to wait and watch for ownership and UA-camrs reviews, old Himalayan when launched their was also many issues which RE have resolved later and now it's became one of the popular and most demanding bike and as per RE experiences and demands of their customers and modern technology, RE won't make their reputation down by giving advanced version of Adv bike with faults.
I don't think that I will ever need to do off-road ing and that too with my own bike....I mostly have to ride in city only.... But I really love Himalayan....and was waiting too check the new one....and as I don't need to go off road so do you feel that I should opt for some other RE..... **** I like Himalayan Shall I purchase it for my city rides....or it will disappoint me..
Aapko English mei sunke achha laga ... Also, Kudos to the comments down ... You guys know what not.... Shims...valve clearance...so and so.... Koi ispar bhi video bana do.... Deep deep deep wala
The old bike was slow and had no brakes. If this faster version still has no brakes, I’ll shoot beyond the Himalayan range and end up in China without a visa. Exciting machine though
Your excellent observations and commentary, would be much more easily appreciated by your audience, if you would lose, (or at least reduce the volume of) the LOUD and REPETITIOUS background music. As a current 2020 Himalayan owner, I very much wanted to concentrate on your remarks, but it felt (and sounded) like I was on a phone call "hold" with my bank. 🙄
Quite unbelievable that RE chose not to invite you but invited all kinds of totally inept opportunistic but "pliable" "youtubers" for the Shimla ride shindig Amitbhai, looks like they can't stand a little bit constructive criticism, here's hoping you stick to your guns my friend and carve out your own path
Inviting or not inviting is their decision. Reporting is our duty 🙏
@@motoroidsbest reply 🫶🏼💥
@@motoroidsthat's a winner's attitude. Thank you for the video. Will be waiting for your review once its out and you get a chance to ride.
Bravo! you are the first guy who has highlighted the Short Stroke Engine👍
Glad you liked it!
I think RE may be come with tubeless options and seat height everything in MIY .. hoping for tubeless rims option or a variant that to be launched . the urge is real .
I don't agree with the low end torque comment. Even though it has an almost square/over square engine, it produces more torque than LS411 from 2000-2500rpm region. The percentage torque available at this range compared to maximum torque will be lesser in 452, but it's still more than produced by LS411 from 2000rpm. But the revving required also depends upon gear ratio also, which may not differ that much in lower gears . Also the weight is in slightly positive side for new one. So the extra revving required in new Himalayan for the same movement as old one will be very less, like 0.5-1k rpm maximum. Not as much as 2-2.5k rpm as you said. High speed will be 150-160 as you said. So the sherpa 450 should be considerably more versatile than old one.
It will be versatile, I'm sure. But I still think that the absolute low end torque and tractability will still be better on the old one. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts
@@motoroidsexactly how ?! The 452 cc engine produces more torque than the previous gen 411 and is 3kg lighter. Even on the 2500rpm mark it produces around 33NM vs 27NM( in 411 on 2500rpm ) which is equal to the peak torque for the old 411. Then how can you say that the low end tractibility would be better in the old gen ? It's not like the 33NM would come abruptly and hit you in the face @2500rpm. It will build up...which is again comparable to the older 411 and will be higher as well. This comment I don't think is valid unless you get to ride the motorcycle yourself.
@@rudranilkundu6114yes, I agree with you. Amit bhai, at 2500rpm, the sherpa 450 has more torque than the peak torque of LS 410. There will be no issue with low end torque for sure. They've really nailed it this time.
Reviews are out, and the new engine does lack the low end, tractor-like characteristics of the 411 block. Which one will miss if the old and new models are ridden back to back on a stretch where low-end poke is your friend. Something like climbing the Kunzum Pass.
But since the new engine makes considerably more power elsewhere, the new bike will reward an aggressive riding style, more than the old machine. Yay!
@@Karan-zl6gg Not that much. The reviews are taken from the Himalayas, where the power & torque produced in the engine are 10-30% lower to low altitude areas. Once it's ridden at lower altitudes, we can say. And the gears are positioned in a longer spectrum as the engine is capable. So if you change the sprocket, it may roll like old Himalayan in low rpm also.
Something no one talks about…
At the new engine the valve clearance is adjusted by shims! That means you couldn’t do it easily by yourself as on the old one with tapped screws!
Maybe you have to get out the cams to change the shims, which would result in very high maintenance cost!!!
Isn't it like that on most reliable bikes?
@@motoroidsall ktms have shim adjusted valves, you know how reliable they are.
Good info Sir. 👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
Background music is irritating and loud!! Couldn’t continue an otherwise a good content!!
I prefer this over the older one because although low end focused torque is a good thing for trails and the mountains, if you’re gonna ride long distances on highways to get to the mountains, you can get a bit impatient with the old Himalayan 411. I am carefully watching this bike and waiting to see what people say about this.
Well said
Just perfect in covering all the points with each specification🎉
Very nice comparative review, thank you! 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
Very nicely done.
When do we expect to have tubeless tyres in India and what will be the cost difference any idea?
Not sure yet
Bro, thanks for the video. But, can you do the test ride at night and tell us how the headlight view is
?
Will do soon
Nice review. How you compare this engine with 400x engine ?
That I'll know when I ride the Himalayan
if they coated2.6- 2.8L ex showroom price then Roadtax+insurance will come around extra 40k or it will cost more than H410 ???
I recommend watching the interview with the Engine designer. The power and torque curves are very similar to the old Himalayan but significantly higher. It was designed for low RPM torque in spite of it's Bore/Stroke ratio. It has a dry sump which allows for a greater ground clearance. It is a lighter engine and significantly more complex design which makes me concerned for it's durability.
That is a really interesting video. This dude really should do his homework before putting his opinion out there
Pls share the link
Music is too loud! Cannot hear you itself!
Will correct that the next time
@@motoroidsit's not an issue all. The music is pleasant.
Well i would suggest to wait and watch for ownership and UA-camrs reviews, old Himalayan when launched their was also many issues which RE have resolved later and now it's became one of the popular and most demanding bike and as per RE experiences and demands of their customers and modern technology, RE won't make their reputation down by giving advanced version of Adv bike with faults.
The new one should be incomparably better
The number of gears doesn't matter. What matters more is the gear ratios. I would happily take a 5speed over a 6speed if the gear ratios are spot on.
6th gear is obviously taller, whenever present. Helps cruising
Best bike reviews 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Glad you like them!
I don't think that I will ever need to do off-road ing and that too with my own bike....I mostly have to ride in city only....
But I really love Himalayan....and was waiting too check the new one....and as I don't need to go off road so do you feel that I should opt for some other RE.....
**** I like Himalayan
Shall I purchase it for my city rides....or it will disappoint me..
You don't NEED it for your city rides, but it won't disappoint you
@@motoroids thanks Sir......... Will look to buy this and send you the images..
Perfect observations for the new royal ride.
Thanks
RE450 vs T400x which is the best one 🤩🤩
RE450 is a lot better off roader. Looks better in the papers
I loved the himalayan for its low end torque....not very pleased with new engine configuration.
Yeah, that may be a problem
Its a request from my side
Please make a detailed analysis of new Himalayan as you had made an analysis of meteor 350
Make a video of 40+ mins 😊
Sure, as soon as I ride it
Aapko English mei sunke achha laga ... Also, Kudos to the comments down ... You guys know what not.... Shims...valve clearance...so and so.... Koi ispar bhi video bana do.... Deep deep deep wala
Bana denge, bahut jald
The bike would be great, only if it had the taillights from the old himalayan
Should not discontinue the old Himalayan...😢😢
We agree
Irritatingly loud music can be addressed please.
Will keep in mind
@@motoroids great
Doesn't it look similar to Ducati dessert x
Somewhat, yes
@@motoroids yea the tank especially
The old bike was slow and had no brakes. If this faster version still has no brakes, I’ll shoot beyond the Himalayan range and end up in China without a visa. Exciting machine though
Leke baithe reh jaaoge brake...'haathon mein'
@@motoroidsohhhh haathon mein.
I trust your word.
Thanks
Your excellent observations and commentary, would be much more easily appreciated by your audience, if you would lose, (or at least reduce the volume of) the LOUD and REPETITIOUS background music. As a current 2020 Himalayan owner, I very much wanted to concentrate on your remarks, but it felt (and sounded) like I was on a phone call "hold" with my bank. 🙄
Couldn't contd... because of background music, too loud & irritating, coming back again if u upload without background music.
Noted
Yathavat🤘🏻
Your comments always lift our spirits brother
@@motoroids I know brother,I adore the way you present the videos and that's why I remember this
Yathavat 🤘🏻,,if you remember then
Music is iritating