I'm in a losing position right now in the 2nd game i've played against the Bird's opening over the past couple days (i lost the first one also), and so this is just the video i need! Thanks for the excellent exploration of several lines and sidelines. I know it's not possible to cover every conceivable variation in less than 24 minutes, but this was a great primer. And now you have 1 more Subscriber. :)
There is an alternative for white. 2...d6. 3. Nf3 dxe5. 4. Nc3. At this point, black's statistically correct move is Nc6, but black will probably be intent on bringing the bishop out which would be a slightly inferior alternative and return the advantage to white. As white I would then play e4, halting the e5 pawn's advance and preventing the bishop from free access to the diagonal. The drawback for white is that this move requires a different style of play than the traditional Bird's strategy of controlling the black squares, but it does offer a very playable alternative.
I actually love your content and I think it’s criminal you don’t get more views. I hope this channel sky rockets one day because I think this is some of the best chess education/ content on YT.
Mio, you are one of the best chess youtubers I never see before. Thanks for this weapon against boring bird opening, it will be interesting to see a weapon against Alekhine Defense
@@nicky2coats I enjoy playing the offbeat openings. Recently I just made up my own opening and now I'm running analyses on all my games to try to make it work.
At 7:36, if white plays e4 and we reply g4, what happens if they reply e5? ... g4xf3, e5xd6. Perhaps push to f2+, Kxf2 Qxd6, and bring the g knight out to threaten check by moving to e4 or g4? Small advantage for black, but not crushing that I can see. What am I missing?
I do play the Bird often and I always go for the Kings Gambit instead if the answer is Froms Gambit. I feel also, 3 e5 x d6 is unplayable for the whole bunch of terrible variations correctly mentioned by you, and 3 Nf3 does not look much better for white. In the Kings Gambit there are a number of complicated variations I like for white, and whoever has prepared the From to outprepare me, usually wants to use a shock therapy, but he is not likely to be a Kings Gambit enthusiast.
You probably mean Qg6 as Qh6 drops the queen. As far as I can see black is just better after 13. Bxh6 Bb4+! intending to meet c3 with Qh4 which is winning and Ke2 with Nxh6
Mr. Perunovic - Very nicely explained. Your content is great. One query over this. What if instead of taking the pawn on e5 on white’s second move, white develops the knight straight away. Is that any variation of this gambit too.
Hello Mr Butcher :) 8:10 you say "they have to play Nf4 after black push g4".... my opponent went Nd4 and I can't see the following moves which seems obvious to take a good advantage ..... do I have to go h5 now ?? sorry I must be blind or something could you help me please? Please someone to help me?? thank you very much
Hallo dear Mio. I am Bird and Dutch player. I play everytime 1.f4 and nobody can win against me in Gambit. Your vid was interesting for me at 17:00 because i never play Ne5 or g5. The last time i won against 2500+ on Lichess. But thank u. Tell to People that they should allways play Fromms or Immanuel Schlechter or Wagner-Zwitersch Gambit 😂. I am waiting for u all in Gambit. Best regards, Ramin.
Hey Mio, last year you did an amazing course about the Traxler! What's about the Vuković Gambit in the Ponziani opening? Nobody has yet talked about it on youtube and it's in your style of play! Thank you for this amazing course on the Bird, I pray for my future opponents.
I play the Bird quite a bit. It's surprising how infrequently I run into From's Gambit. I'm not really that high rated though so I'm sure a lot of the people I play against have never run into Birds Opening.
Ran through a lot of Froms Gambit today on Lichess😅and I never capture that pone👌,my move after the f4 is definitely Nf3 to prevent check from queen forcing my a g2 pone move
I already play the Froms Gambit it is really nice way to punish the Bird Opening. But I play actually not the mainline so im very interested what you are going to recommend.
when i play the bird opening why should I take the black pawn? I always just defend by moving my queen pawn forward to defend with black bishop. It seems like the only good as white move when that pawn is being attacked. but i'm not that far in the rankings so idk.
Recently, i had an online opponent who played a very interesting line : 5.d3 g4 6. Nd4 (which seems a little bit odd at first sight) Qh4+ 7.g3 Bxg3 8. hxg3 Qxh1 9.Bf4 with the idea of a very fast development by white : Qd2, Nc3 and 0-0-0 (with some threats like Qe3+ and Nb5 in the air) and claiming that the black queen is terribly missplace. This line scored incredibly well on lichess database with 70% winrate for white after 5.d3 for players rated 2000+ (and even for players rated 2500+) with a large amount of games. Also, this line seems to be computer approved with at least around +1 for white no matter what black plays. What would you advice to face this and do you think this is something special for white ? (Thanks you for your great video, i'm a big fan !)
At 17:58, what if white plays d5 instead of e4? d5 with the idea of Ne6. Thanks for the incredibly good stuff you are showing in your videos, I'm subscribing.
I checked the line. 7.d5 loses to h6! In case of 8.Ne6 Qh4 0-1 and in the event of 8.Qd4 Nf6 and now 9.Ne6 doesn’t work due to Be6 10.de6 Bg3 and say goodbye to the lady 😉
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial Wow! Many thanks! I "buy" your line in 8. ...Qh4+, black seems better. I'll play that. However, after 8.Ne6, Qh4+, 9.g3 Bxg3+, 10. hxg3, Qxg3+ (as Qxh1 seems to fail to Nxc7+ ) 11. Kd2 Bxe6 12.c4 (-0,60) is the top move from my old engine, and 12. dxe6 fails but only if black plays the precise move Nc6, otherwise is kinda equal. All are engine moves here, as a human my concern is to play this kind of gambit positions the "right" way :)
As a Bird's player, I'd just like to say that white is perfectly fine (or even better) in the From's. the From's is NOT a refutation of the Bird. Y'all gotta calm down. Plus there is a hole in his analysis. at around 15:50 White is actually much better after O-O! (instead of Nxd6+) and if Black continues Rdh8 then White has the amazing h4!! and if black takes en passant then White will use your pawn as a shield.
So it’s just a Staunton gambit down a tempo? That seems pretty bad for black. I guess it’s not quite a Staunton because you’re gambit the queens pawn instead of the kings knights pawn, but still pretty similar
Till this date I don't understand why people play the birds opening. You would have to play a perfect game to not lose the game. Weaking the kings diagonal with the very first move is not good. There is a reason why this move is rarely played at GM level.
Black can't really take advantage of that diagonal after the natural 2.Nf3. That's the entire point of playing the From's gambit, you make white spend a few moves grabbing a couple pawns in order to get ahead in development and start making threats, and in an opening like this that's truly dangerous
Wouldnt say, that the froms gambit is really terryfing against a "seriously" Bird-Player. Every good Bird-Player studies the From-Gambit perfectly or avoids it entirely with 2. e4. Black really has to know what he is doing and even on Pro-Level its not clear if you can get an advantage with it for black. And even IF you are that of an ultimate Froms Gambit-Player as black, so be it. As a Bird-Player i can tell, that the gambit is played rarely and i never saw the complete main-variation he shows in the video on a chessboard. Maybe in 1 of 100 Froms Gambit-Plays you will face a pro in this variation, but for the rest, you will have the upper hand with better knowledge and comfort in this variation. Cheers
And for the main-variation with rook h5 and knight takes bishob on d6, you can simply castle as white. Sure, it looks scary to do that, but you should give here the h-pawn back for the black g pawn and use blacks own new h-pawn as a good shield for your king on h1. Trade the white-space bishops and your king will be safe there. It isnt that bad for white. You only have to play very accurate. And to quote a bird-playing GM Bent Larsen: "4. … g7-g5 doesnt seem good." ;-)
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial Even in other lines? This is a really good guide though, seriously. Will definitely play this as one of the only gambits I play.
Because it's uncommon and catches a lot of people by surprise. Sure you can play From's gambit but white, if white knows the line well, will just transition to king's gambit if you do that. You don't stubbornly continue with the normal bird's opening if black responds like that.
As a Bird’s opening player, I must learn what not to do, so to be able to use what I know
I’m always having problems whilst playing black and I want to use Birds
Well against d4, you got the Dutch defense, which is very similar to the birds.
il really love bird opening and king's gambit so i open with bird and if blacks play E5, i know what to do
@@TasteMyMissile lol, I also like kings gambit and play 1. f4
I lost to the bird opening dutch variation like 8 times in a row in bullet. So excited for this. Thanks man
Always Daniel 😉
get ready for 2. e4
Mr. Perunovic, your free content is awasome!KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!! I can't understand you having so few donations :(
We will work harder and hope for the best :)
I have won all my games against the Bird so far, after watching your video. Thanks a lot Miodrag!
That’s great info! I am happy to hear that, congrats! 🍾
A very relevant resource for black as an answer to somewhat anoying opening move of white. Nicely explained!
I'm in a losing position right now in the 2nd game i've played against the Bird's opening over the past couple days (i lost the first one also), and so this is just the video i need! Thanks for the excellent exploration of several lines and sidelines. I know it's not possible to cover every conceivable variation in less than 24 minutes, but this was a great primer. And now you have 1 more Subscriber. :)
Good luck! Also check Horsefly defense! With it, I’ve won all my games vs IMs and FMs!
just started doing the birds opening without knowing what it was the past few days and it rose my rank a full 60
Thanks!
Many thaks agains M. Petunobiv !
There is an alternative for white. 2...d6. 3. Nf3 dxe5. 4. Nc3. At this point, black's statistically correct move is Nc6, but black will probably be intent on bringing the bishop out which would be a slightly inferior alternative and return the advantage to white. As white I would then play e4, halting the e5 pawn's advance and preventing the bishop from free access to the diagonal. The drawback for white is that this move requires a different style of play than the traditional Bird's strategy of controlling the black squares, but it does offer a very playable alternative.
Ill never skip your ads. Keep up the good works sir!
Haha, thanks 😊
I actually love your content and I think it’s criminal you don’t get more views. I hope this channel sky rockets one day because I think this is some of the best chess education/ content on YT.
I like your comment though 😃
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial True. Your explaining it properly. Very clear.
Mio, you are one of the best chess youtubers I never see before. Thanks for this weapon against boring bird opening, it will be interesting to see a weapon against Alekhine Defense
Thanks a lot on kind words Carlos!
Yes, something against the Alekhine would be great.
Let me prepare something tricky and nice vs Alekhine soon :)
Thanks for bringing in here ur wonderful mood!
Thank you very much for this analysis. As white I play the Bird's opening exclusively and this allowed me to shore up a weakness.
Agreed
What kind of monster are you
@@nicky2coats I enjoy playing the offbeat openings. Recently I just made up my own opening and now I'm running analyses on all my games to try to make it work.
@@pltatman1 I am interested in what kind of opening you came up with
@@olivers.7821I am too. But he won't answer 😢
What about Bg2 instead of Qd3 at 13:30?
At 7:36, if white plays e4 and we reply g4, what happens if they reply e5? ... g4xf3, e5xd6. Perhaps push to f2+, Kxf2 Qxd6, and bring the g knight out to threaten check by moving to e4 or g4? Small advantage for black, but not crushing that I can see. What am I missing?
This Gambit is really tricky for both sides. One time I was checkmated on move 5 as white.
Great stuff, thanks a lot! Regards from Bulgaria! :-)
Greetings for you and Bulgaria! 🇧🇬😎
Nicely explained. Very clear. Thank you so much!
Thanks 😊
I do play the Bird often and I always go for the Kings Gambit instead if the answer is Froms Gambit. I feel also, 3 e5 x d6 is unplayable for the whole bunch of terrible variations correctly mentioned by you, and 3 Nf3 does not look much better for white. In the Kings Gambit there are a number of complicated variations I like for white, and whoever has prepared the From to outprepare me, usually wants to use a shock therapy, but he is not likely to be a Kings Gambit enthusiast.
True, I do the same. Problem is, with king gambit they play falkber counter gambit with D5, very aggressive.
@@brianv.8055 just learn how to defend against it
Great advice. Thank you!
At the 19:01 my opponent played Qh6 instead of c3 threatening mate on g8. Rg7 is followed by Bxh6 and it looks like Black is in serious trouble.
You probably mean Qg6 as Qh6 drops the queen.
As far as I can see black is just better after 13. Bxh6 Bb4+! intending to meet c3 with Qh4 which is winning and Ke2 with Nxh6
Amazing video, thank you sir!
Nicely Explained Sir...👍👍👍👍👍
Mr. Perunovic - Very nicely explained. Your content is great. One query over this. What if instead of taking the pawn on e5 on white’s second move, white develops the knight straight away. Is that any variation of this gambit too.
Thanks on kind words! That also could be the line, but not as good as fe5
Thank you sir! I'm gonna try this at my office, there's a boss using bird's opening and it's really annoying
Your boss will make your salary looking funny after you apply my analysis! 😂😂😂
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial then I just checkmate his king and his soul😂😂☠️
Maybe you “fry” his bird and he’ll stop killing chickens, and start playing normal chess
Hello Mr Butcher :) 8:10 you say "they have to play Nf4 after black push g4".... my opponent went Nd4 and I can't see the following moves which seems obvious to take a good advantage ..... do I have to go h5 now ?? sorry I must be blind or something could you help me please? Please someone to help me?? thank you very much
I always wondered why engines recommended From's Gambit, now I understand why
no respectable engine will even list 1...e5 in their top 3 moves. The truth is that the from's gambit makes the Bird look good.
Hallo dear Mio. I am Bird and Dutch player. I play everytime 1.f4 and nobody can win against me in Gambit. Your vid was interesting for me at 17:00 because i never play Ne5 or g5. The last time i won against 2500+ on Lichess. But thank u. Tell to People that they should allways play Fromms or Immanuel Schlechter or Wagner-Zwitersch Gambit 😂.
I am waiting for u all in Gambit.
Best regards, Ramin.
Are you threatening, you are going to crush me if I play this gambit? 😂💪
Thank you for this awesome weapon! :)
Thanks :)
Hey Mio, last year you did an amazing course about the Traxler! What's about the Vuković Gambit in the Ponziani opening? Nobody has yet talked about it on youtube and it's in your style of play! Thank you for this amazing course on the Bird, I pray for my future opponents.
Could you gimme moves about Vukovic gambit?
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial Of course! 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5!
On 19.33 what about Nf3, fork on bishop and queen?
I quess, white is better?!
I play the Bird quite a bit. It's surprising how infrequently I run into From's Gambit. I'm not really that high rated though so I'm sure a lot of the people I play against have never run into Birds Opening.
Ran through a lot of Froms Gambit today on Lichess😅and I never capture that pone👌,my move after the f4 is definitely Nf3 to prevent check from queen forcing my a g2 pone move
It would be also very nice if you could analyze the Stauton or some other Gambit against the Dutch !
1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bh4 g5 4. Bg3 f4 5. e3 fxg3 6. Qh5# 1-0
Huehuehehe
I already play the Froms Gambit it is really nice way to punish the Bird Opening. But I play actually not the mainline so im very interested what you are going to recommend.
As a Bird's player, not a lot of people play the From's gambit, and I'm glad they don't because it's brutal.
Andrew Soltis wrote a book on Birds Opening, especially on the From’s Gambit. How well you do against him?
when i play the bird opening why should I take the black pawn? I always just defend by moving my queen pawn forward to defend with black bishop. It seems like the only good as white move when that pawn is being attacked. but i'm not that far in the rankings so idk.
Recently, i had an online opponent who played a very interesting line : 5.d3 g4 6. Nd4 (which seems a little bit odd at first sight) Qh4+ 7.g3 Bxg3 8. hxg3 Qxh1 9.Bf4 with the idea of a very fast development by white : Qd2, Nc3 and 0-0-0 (with some threats like Qe3+ and Nb5 in the air) and claiming that the black queen is terribly missplace.
This line scored incredibly well on lichess database with 70% winrate for white after 5.d3 for players rated 2000+ (and even for players rated 2500+) with a large amount of games. Also, this line seems to be computer approved with at least around +1 for white no matter what black plays.
What would you advice to face this and do you think this is something special for white ?
(Thanks you for your great video, i'm a big fan !)
I will have to check and get back to you!
Thank you so much for this video!
Thanks for watching! 😉
Great stuff
The white one looks like Katie from Horton Hears a Who 😂
I think you missed c3 as an option in the Lasker variation..
Could be, will add that, show me just where, thanks!
Excellent!
How would you response if white played d3 on move white
thanx mio
At 17:58, what if white plays d5 instead of e4? d5 with the idea of Ne6. Thanks for the incredibly good stuff you are showing in your videos, I'm subscribing.
Efharisto Skakofils 😉 I will check that and get back to you soon!
I checked the line. 7.d5 loses to h6! In case of 8.Ne6 Qh4 0-1 and in the event of 8.Qd4 Nf6 and now 9.Ne6 doesn’t work due to Be6 10.de6 Bg3 and say goodbye to the lady 😉
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial Wow! Many thanks! I "buy" your line in 8. ...Qh4+, black seems better. I'll play that. However, after 8.Ne6, Qh4+, 9.g3 Bxg3+, 10. hxg3, Qxg3+ (as Qxh1 seems to fail to Nxc7+ ) 11. Kd2 Bxe6 12.c4 (-0,60) is the top move from my old engine, and 12. dxe6 fails but only if black plays the precise move Nc6, otherwise is kinda equal. All are engine moves here, as a human my concern is to play this kind of gambit positions the "right" way :)
Its my fault, on Ne6 you first take on e6 and then Qh4 0-1 💪💪💪
2:43 g3 response
As a Bird's player, I'd just like to say that white is perfectly fine (or even better) in the From's. the From's is NOT a refutation of the Bird. Y'all gotta calm down.
Plus there is a hole in his analysis. at around 15:50 White is actually much better after O-O! (instead of Nxd6+) and if Black continues Rdh8 then White has the amazing h4!! and if black takes en passant then White will use your pawn as a shield.
You are welcome to try that against me and prove your words! 💪💪💪
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial Love to! btw I love your videos.
You didn't talk much about 7. e4 Ng6 8. Nf5 ... how is that for white?
hm i play bird , kinda sad not to see you talk about b5 , d3 , b4, nd4 , which is the main line i play
What about 5. c3?
8:50 I played this variation, White played Nc3....me Ng6. Then Nxg6-hxg6 Ne4! Computer says, White up almost 1
"We follow the footsteps of Blackburne." Don't you mean goosesteps? ;P
Oh, I just realized that this is simultaneously a "Bird" Opening pun AND a Nazi pun.
1:33 They don’t have to take it... Knight f3 is the best move...
So it’s just a Staunton gambit down a tempo? That seems pretty bad for black. I guess it’s not quite a Staunton because you’re gambit the queens pawn instead of the kings knights pawn, but still pretty similar
I will just kindly let you know that many lines with Black where you are clearly down a tempo with Black are way better than with White pieces...
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial how so?
after 1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. Nf3 dxe5 4. Nxd5 bd6 5. Nf3 Nf6 6. g3 O-O 7. bd2 Engine favors white
What if play 1 d4 ....
2 f4. ...
3 e3 ..
Who else come here to beat Julia 🤣🤣
Another video another gambit :D
isnt froms gambit refuted ?
Haven’t heard? You have? 😂
Bird spotted gimme the caliber 12 ^^ thank you Butcher
sadly something happend my game after white played Nf3 ,g5 ....d3 ..g4....Nd4 everything went wrong
Man, I can not teach you how to play till mate 😂😂😂
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial fully agree with you but Nd4 seems better than everything white have . Thanks ...Regards
Why not just Qh4+ g3 Bxg3+ ?
1.f4 e5 2.e4!
After e4, play the Falkbeer, 2..d5!😉
4:50
Not sure white is so bad after f4 e5 fxe5 d6 Nf3. Seems like easy development and a better center for white. 🤷🏻♂️
Black is fine there with huge compensation!
Till this date I don't understand why people play the birds opening.
You would have to play a perfect game to not lose the game.
Weaking the kings diagonal with the very first move is not good.
There is a reason why this move is rarely played at GM level.
Black can't really take advantage of that diagonal after the natural 2.Nf3. That's the entire point of playing the From's gambit, you make white spend a few moves grabbing a couple pawns in order to get ahead in development and start making threats, and in an opening like this that's truly dangerous
Mato jelic “bird’s is name of a person not birds” you should have a game with him if he still plays
what chess app are you using???
What do you mean by that? For tactics, openings, endgames or what?
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial I mean about the chess application or website that you are using for all tutorials
Reply me
Phenomenal AK Chessbase
3:12
Wouldnt say, that the froms gambit is really terryfing against a "seriously" Bird-Player. Every good Bird-Player studies the From-Gambit perfectly or avoids it entirely with 2. e4. Black really has to know what he is doing and even on Pro-Level its not clear if you can get an advantage with it for black. And even IF you are that of an ultimate Froms Gambit-Player as black, so be it. As a Bird-Player i can tell, that the gambit is played rarely and i never saw the complete main-variation he shows in the video on a chessboard. Maybe in 1 of 100 Froms Gambit-Plays you will face a pro in this variation, but for the rest, you will have the upper hand with better knowledge and comfort in this variation. Cheers
And for the main-variation with rook h5 and knight takes bishob on d6, you can simply castle as white. Sure, it looks scary to do that, but you should give here the h-pawn back for the black g pawn and use blacks own new h-pawn as a good shield for your king on h1. Trade the white-space bishops and your king will be safe there. It isnt that bad for white. You only have to play very accurate. And to quote a bird-playing GM Bent Larsen: "4. … g7-g5 doesnt seem good." ;-)
I am waiting on you on LiChess or Chess.com, out of 10 you just have to win 1 😂😂😂
hey what about them playing Bishop H3
Where?
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial hey after the play pawn h5 , what if white plays Bh3
Funny because I have so far beaten everyone who has used froms gambit against me
Welcome into one of Chessbrah streams to prove that vs me 💪💪💪
What are you moves after
thank you. Bird's opening is very annoying
Not anymore after this video! 💪
no we dont have to take it . i play the Bird's. AND i never take the 2nd pawn . sorry :p. i just masscred my opponent in the 1/2 From's lol
🤷♂️
Birds opening seems fundamentally flawed and weak. Stats show it's weak as well. Not sure why people choose to play it.
It is reversed Dutch with tempo up for White!? Even though it doesn’t score the best for White, it requires good theoretical prep by Black!
@@MiodragPerunovicOfficial Even in other lines? This is a really good guide though, seriously. Will definitely play this as one of the only gambits I play.
Because it's uncommon and catches a lot of people by surprise. Sure you can play From's gambit but white, if white knows the line well, will just transition to king's gambit if you do that. You don't stubbornly continue with the normal bird's opening if black responds like that.
Good point! 👍
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[Event "Rated Blitz game"]
[Site "lichess.org/KtHCTZJG"]
[Date "2020.05.18"]
[Round "-"]
[White "korronavirus"]
[Black "TheButcherMio"]
[Result "0-1"]
[UTCDate "2020.05.18"]
[UTCTime "15:51:02"]
[WhiteElo "2516"]
[BlackElo "2489"]
[WhiteRatingDiff "-7"]
[BlackRatingDiff "+6"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
[ECO "A02"]
[Opening "Bird Opening: From's Gambit, Lasker Variation"]
[Termination "Normal"]
[Annotator "lichess.org"]
1. f4 e5 2. fxe5 d6 3. exd6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 g5 { A02 Bird Opening: From's Gambit, Lasker Variation } 5. g3 g4 6. Nh4 Ne7 7. d4 Ng6 8. Nxg6 hxg6 9. Qd3 Nc6 10. c3 Qe7 11. e4 Be6 12. Bg2 O-O-O 13. Be3 Rxh2 14. Rxh2 Bxg3+ 15. Ke2 Bxh2 16. Nd2 f5 17. d5 Bxd5 18. exd5 f4 19. Qe4 fxe3 20. Qxe7 Nxe7 21. Nf1 Bf4 22. Rd1 Nf5 23. Be4 Re8 24. Bc2 Rh8 25. c4 b6 26. b4 Kd7 27. c5 g3 28. Bxf5+ gxf5 29. Nxe3 Re8 30. Rd3 g2 31. Kf2 Rxe3 32. c6+ Kd6 { White resigns. } 0-1
A masonic killing floor logo and pose, and the name butcher...youre not to subtle of a lady are you.
Me neither.
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