@@gmraven I don’t think I will though I think just D5, fianchettoing the king’s bishop, nf6 and castling offers a good position. It might work on lower rated players but the From’s gambit is just objectively a bad opening
14:10 Hey Raven, still think your content is incredibly underrated informative, I've already genuinely learned a ton from watching your gameplay (even if I don't play the Bird religiously... yet) and I can say that you explain your though processes extremely well, especially your opening/midgame plans. I can agree that the from’s really isn’t a great opening, especially against the g5 line if white plays according to your recommendations and it’s tidbits like 14:33 that really help players of all levels get out of the opening safely. I only made a big deal about it because I’m around 24/2500 online and Kd1 did not come easily to me so I couldn’t imagine any amateur or advanced player coming up with it either. Also I think I had a warped perception of how easy of a move to find Bd7 was because I remember learning it was the correct move very early on in my From’s studying, but I can agree that when you're in such an aggressive move, Bd7 definitely isn't what comes to mind. Anyways the more I look into the Bird's, the less I would recommend the from’s unless you’re just trying to have some fun and play for cheap tricks because it's way too easy to defend against if you know the father forced theory and the basic defensive ideas. All in all I’m glad you listen to your audience, no hard feelings and I’m here to support :) Side note: I’m a classical e4 and e5 player, though because of your caro and bird vids I’ve started to expand my repetoire to learn genuinely everything under the sun and it’s really helped me break through a plateau that I was at, I’ve started to understand midgame plans much better and feel my chess Improving rapidly. I’ve been loving the variety and differen’t positions, it’s really spiced up my gameplay and taught me to stop thinking so one dimensionally. I’ve been playing chess for roughly 3 years and have my first ever OTB tournament coming in a week and a half, I hope to employ my expanded opening repetoire and keep my play interesting and my opponents on their toes, keep up the solid work Raven (and Kevin ;))
Perhaps I missed it, but I think you didn't mention the double pawn sacrifice. White should decline the second pawn after 1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Nf6 and just play 4.Nf3.
Watched this recently and destroyed some guy that played the bird against me today. thanks for the video. I just purchased your bird course to so look forward to getting into that.
I really just look at sideline for white. Keep a little bit of advantage but get an easier position with more play for white. For example in the g5 variante there's a line in which you give up your rook for an bishop but a really coordianted position and attack back or in the Bg4 thingy you can actually play Na3 just to get rid of the agrassive black Bishop
Honestly, this gambit seems like a great response to the bird 😅 only +0,2 for white with what seems to be a simpler game for black. I’ll take that anyday
Im quite new to your channel. Do you have some games every bird player should know? (I mean the Bauer game is famous and H. Bird's as well but I look for other interesting games)
Hey, found your channel after listening to the perpetual chess podcast. You mentioned you were going to publish a chessable course on the Bird at some point? Any ETA on that? I've really enjoyed playing the opening after listening to the podcast, and would love some expert info on it :D
Calling the presented counter play to 4...g5 a "refutation" of that line is pretty optimistic i would say. This "refutation" has a weakness. But i'm not going to say what it is. Play the Bird against me to find out. ;-)
Do you honestly expect ordinary players to confidently navigate such a minefield, when you, a GM doing a course on the subject, struggle to remember the intricacies yourself. To be frank, I have never thought highly of the From's Gambit before, but if anything, this video has convinced me to give it a shot - To my eyes, Black's position is much easier to play in practice than White, and if anyone is wondering why on earth is Black getting such a dangerous attacking position so early in the game, they need look no further than 1. f4
You are completly right. The thing is for some players they play 1.f4 and then play chess and see what happens. I think, like myself, Raven just studies the heck out of 1.f4 and is way more confident with those positions. He knows what to do instead of "yeah this seems nice" And the froms is just a chapter you have to study. I really like to play against the Froms cause my prep is just so much better... In Blitz the Froms is really dangerous but in rapid or classical you can beat it quite often if you remember some basic plans
In blitz games I only remember the immediate response on move 4 and that's enough.i win 95% of the time with knowing those moves and knowing up to be3 in the line with g5.
The point as I stated several times in the video is noone playing Black remembers the theory at all. That's why I win 95% of time just remembering the first 3 moves up to Bxd6 and then each 2-move response to the 4 options Black has on move 4. Do you think someone that sees the bird 1% of the time will remember a 10 move variation against it?
Killer channel. Bird forever. What about declining the From: 2) fxe5 d6 3) Nf3! dxe5 4) e4 with thoughts of Bc4 (or pinning the Knight on c6). This is sometimes called the Petronius Jablonski Variation. One can attain a stable position with attacking chances - sans minefield: no From player expects this line.
If you walk the minefield correctly you get winning positions almost every game. It is worth it to take the risk in my opinion. Noone knows any of this bonkers theory past move 6
This is basically a King's Gambit Declined: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 3.Nf3 d6 4.fxe5 dxe5. This exchange is considered premature, but playable after 5.c3 with several transpositions into the 4.c3 main line. Chances are equal. So accepting the From's Gambit is objectively best. But some (see a few other comments here) might prefer this to avoid Black's traps. Don't forget that Black has some more options after 1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.Nf3 dxe5 4.e4 besides Bc5.
This video is the best video ever produced on how to play the From’s gambit lol
Feel free to try it out! The more from players the more free elo for Bird Players who can remember the first 5 moves!
@@gmraven I don’t think I will though I think just D5, fianchettoing the king’s bishop, nf6 and castling offers a good position. It might work on lower rated players but the From’s gambit is just objectively a bad opening
14:10 Hey Raven, still think your content is incredibly underrated informative, I've already genuinely learned a ton from watching your gameplay (even if I don't play the Bird religiously... yet) and I can say that you explain your though processes extremely well, especially your opening/midgame plans. I can agree that the from’s really isn’t a great opening, especially against the g5 line if white plays according to your recommendations and it’s tidbits like 14:33 that really help players of all levels get out of the opening safely. I only made a big deal about it because I’m around 24/2500 online and Kd1 did not come easily to me so I couldn’t imagine any amateur or advanced player coming up with it either. Also I think I had a warped perception of how easy of a move to find Bd7 was because I remember learning it was the correct move very early on in my From’s studying, but I can agree that when you're in such an aggressive move, Bd7 definitely isn't what comes to mind. Anyways the more I look into the Bird's, the less I would recommend the from’s unless you’re just trying to have some fun and play for cheap tricks because it's way too easy to defend against if you know the father forced theory and the basic defensive ideas. All in all I’m glad you listen to your audience, no hard feelings and I’m here to support :)
Side note: I’m a classical e4 and e5 player, though because of your caro and bird vids I’ve started to expand my repetoire to learn genuinely everything under the sun and it’s really helped me break through a plateau that I was at, I’ve started to understand midgame plans much better and feel my chess Improving rapidly. I’ve been loving the variety and differen’t positions, it’s really spiced up my gameplay and taught me to stop thinking so one dimensionally. I’ve been playing chess for roughly 3 years and have my first ever OTB tournament coming in a week and a half, I hope to employ my expanded opening repetoire and keep my play interesting and my opponents on their toes, keep up the solid work Raven (and Kevin ;))
Thanks so much! Yes I'm glad we patched that up 😁
Perhaps I missed it, but I think you didn't mention the double pawn sacrifice. White should decline the second pawn after 1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Nf6 and just play 4.Nf3.
Watched this recently and destroyed some guy that played the bird against me today. thanks for the video. I just purchased your bird course to so look forward to getting into that.
You were supposed to defeat the FROM side not join it!
Thanks for getting my course though, hope you enjoy it!
@@gmraven I will do it from the bird side too :)
I really just look at sideline for white. Keep a little bit of advantage but get an easier position with more play for white. For example in the g5 variante there's a line in which you give up your rook for an bishop but a really coordianted position and attack back or in the Bg4 thingy you can actually play Na3 just to get rid of the agrassive black Bishop
Yeah that's true. There are definitely other options out there.
At 13:21, how do you respond to ...b5?
b5 looks chaotic but really weakens the Black king. Ne5 Nxe5 and Qe4 would win I assume.
Honestly, this gambit seems like a great response to the bird 😅 only +0,2 for white with what seems to be a simpler game for black. I’ll take that anyday
Well as a Bird player that would be great for me. The froms gambit has given me so much elo over the years, keep it coming!
@@gmraven Have those elo's been against other comparably strong GM's? or just weaker players?
Thanks to you i won with the From's Gambit :p
Im quite new to your channel. Do you have some games every bird player should know?
(I mean the Bauer game is famous and H. Bird's as well but I look for other interesting games)
I haven't studied any of those só no. I just spent a lot of work working with the computer and playing the Bird the past year to get a feel for it.
Hey, found your channel after listening to the perpetual chess podcast. You mentioned you were going to publish a chessable course on the Bird at some point? Any ETA on that? I've really enjoyed playing the opening after listening to the podcast, and would love some expert info on it :D
I emailed chessable and they don't have an exact date yet, I expect it to come out around May 🤷♂️
Last month I have scored 5/5 with the froms gambit and I don’t know it past move 3
That's why I say White just needs to know to move 5 and he'll be great
Calling the presented counter play to 4...g5 a "refutation" of that line is pretty optimistic i would say. This "refutation" has a weakness. But i'm not going to say what it is. Play the Bird against me to find out. ;-)
The King Kong defence
indeed
Do you honestly expect ordinary players to confidently navigate such a minefield, when you, a GM doing a course on the subject, struggle to remember the intricacies yourself. To be frank, I have never thought highly of the From's Gambit before, but if anything, this video has convinced me to give it a shot - To my eyes, Black's position is much easier to play in practice than White, and if anyone is wondering why on earth is Black getting such a dangerous attacking position so early in the game, they need look no further than 1. f4
You are completly right. The thing is for some players they play 1.f4 and then play chess and see what happens. I think, like myself, Raven just studies the heck out of 1.f4 and is way more confident with those positions. He knows what to do instead of "yeah this seems nice" And the froms is just a chapter you have to study. I really like to play against the Froms cause my prep is just so much better...
In Blitz the Froms is really dangerous but in rapid or classical you can beat it quite often if you remember some basic plans
You should change the title, "Destroy Noob Bird players with From's Gambit!".
In blitz games I only remember the immediate response on move 4 and that's enough.i win 95% of the time with knowing those moves and knowing up to be3 in the line with g5.
The point as I stated several times in the video is noone playing Black remembers the theory at all. That's why I win 95% of time just remembering the first 3 moves up to Bxd6 and then each 2-move response to the 4 options Black has on move 4. Do you think someone that sees the bird 1% of the time will remember a 10 move variation against it?
@@gmraven I totally agree but i your into video bailed it. It's a minefield.
Killer channel. Bird forever. What about declining the From: 2) fxe5 d6 3) Nf3! dxe5 4) e4 with thoughts of Bc4 (or pinning the Knight on c6). This is sometimes called the Petronius Jablonski Variation. One can attain a stable position with attacking chances - sans minefield: no From player expects this line.
If you walk the minefield correctly you get winning positions almost every game. It is worth it to take the risk in my opinion. Noone knows any of this bonkers theory past move 6
But yes if you prefer Stabler positions, Sure. That Petronius variation should be very close to equal for Black.
This is basically a King's Gambit Declined: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 3.Nf3 d6 4.fxe5 dxe5. This exchange is considered premature, but playable after 5.c3 with several transpositions into the 4.c3 main line. Chances are equal. So accepting the From's Gambit is objectively best. But some (see a few other comments here) might prefer this to avoid Black's traps.
Don't forget that Black has some more options after 1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.Nf3 dxe5 4.e4 besides Bc5.