My father was a B-17 waist gunner who flew the second Schweinfort raid and many more.... His bomb group the 305th lost most of their planes on that raid alone... My father never talked about his experiences...ever...I read his meticulous diary that he kept and...reading between the lines...it was worse than described...emotionally...seeing your friends slowly die in 50 degrees below zero....
Things this show gets wrong, like all historical non fictional adaptations, but what it gets right, it gets right in a big way; German fighter strategy was to do just this. Out of the sun, head on, strafe the cockpit, kill the pilots and crew, come around and repeat. It's actually terrifying to imagine sitting flying that plane knowing there's 20mm cannon projectiles coming at you and there's no armour plating to stop it.
Can't run. Can't hide. Mission lasts for hours. Plane could be under risk of fighter attack for over six hours. Plus, if you are damaged or wounded...safety is hours away. How these guys didn't break from sheer fear is astonishing.
The german always attack, because they only get like 3 passes to attack the bomber formation (3 if they lucky enough to find the bomber formation from radar intercept). They dont wait for the sun behind them.
Same tactics was used by allied fighter pilots. And please remember, if you are sitting in a Focke Wulf or a ME109 cockpit, you are looking into a lot of 50 caliber barrels, from a whole bomber package.
Or how fast the German fighters go by. Honestly captures how the men, who were chock full of adrenaline probably felt like. You can hear it in interviews
Complain about the CGI all you want, but this is probably as good a cinematic treatment as we're ever going to have of the horror show that was the air war over Germany.
Noting beats the movie "Battle of Britian" 1969. Most of the aircraft were actual WWII Spitfires and Messerschmitt p109s. A Luftwaffe Ace was a technical advisor in the film, also at least one pilot in the film was an actual WWII pilot. Most of the extras were actual survivors of the blitz bombing and they were reacting the memories of their experiences.
People are quite idiots about CGI since they complain about this when they praise shit like CW's Flash or the other Warner Flash with its 300 million thrown in the trash..
@0:27 just about when the tail gunner finishes saying ".... fighters" I could just make out the two dark specks of dust in the clouds that were the fighters. And with the scene swinging sideways, this reminded me of an autobiography by an RAF fighter pilot of WWII. The paragraph actually instructed any one reading the page to hold the book at arms length; turn your head to your left shoulder. Then while keeping the book outstretched, keep your gaze inline with straight ahead of your face and swing your head all the way to your right shoulder. This was followed by the example he was making. If you couldn't reliably spot a period at the end of any sentence on the page, as you made the full left to right swing, that period was the size of an approaching enemy fighter and if you didn't see it on the first head swing, it would be within range of killing you when you next were looking straight ahead. So for me this was great seeing the editors managed to show that threat several times, showing dull flecks of "dirt" moving behind the grey winged silhouettes of approaching aircraft.
People who are bashing this shows are just here to be controversial and be “rivet counters.” Who pleasure themselves knowing they know the B-17 turrets held 9 yards of ammo. This show has been amazing so far.
@@Watkinsstudio yea so just by that comment it’s pretty easy to tell you havnt seen the show besides little clips. I watch the show on my tv and it looks great. Not to mention people conveniently leave out all the parts of the 2 other shows where there was awful cg
One thing rings false here: the cumulous clouds depicted in this scene are thick enough to have hidden the B-17 formation from the Luftwaffe fighters. FW190s and ME-109s did not have radar and could not have found the bombers in the cloud canyons. Most attacks on bombers occurred in clear air.
From what my father has told me about being a bomber pilot in the 392 Bomber Group-8th Air Force, this is very realistic. Father flew B-17s in training, but B-24s in combat. The 100th (the main group in Masters of the Air) flew B-17s out of Troops Abbott, East Anglia, UK. Father's group was station also in East Anglia (as were almost all of the bomber groups) at Wendling RAFB. Wendling is about 20-25 miles northeast of Troops Abbott. My father flew 35 combat missions. He said it was when they retrofitted the P-51 fighter with wing tanks, that he thought he might make it home alive. With the extra fuel tanks, the P-51 could take the bombers all the way to target and home. What brave men-all heroes!
What's seldom depicted: those FW 190 didn't shoot 7,92 machine gun bullets. They had 20 mm auto cannons, w incendiary , high explosive or armor piercing shells. Four of them. And two 13 mm machine guns. Special bomber destroyers had 30 mm autocannons. Nicknamed "pneumatic hammers" by us aircrews.
If you look carefully you'll see they're 109s, the crews are misidentifying them - as happened constantly in action. There's another scene where they misidentify Bf 110s as Ju 88s. This is an excellent nod to the reality of air combat in the 40s. Shame about the weirdly shoddy external CGI especially given that the aircraft interiors are so well executed.
@@mredwardward Later versons of the 109 had a 20 mm gun mounted in the nose and heavier MG's in the wings. At the time this series is set I would wager that those 109's should be of that variant. And both the BF 109 and FW 190 had armement sets consisting of additional guns mounted in the wings for that extra hail of bullets
@@Athrun82 Yep, later Me 109s had a 30 mm autocannon in the nose. The FW 190 two in the wings. And the Me 262 FOUR 30 mm autocannons in the nose. Would be interesting if the series depict that. This is a post war british test of the MK108 30 mm cannon. ua-cam.com/video/91LUxqn1QY0/v-deo.htmlsi=4gpuzW_YyWQ9Zkuf
@@teatime6597 I doubt they will depict this part but Germany developed the "Schräge Musik" 20 mm guns which were build into the BF 110 and other night fighters. The guns would fire almost straight up as the pilots were trained to fly their plane right below the opponent and then let loose. One of the most famous BF 110 night fighters was a pilot called Schnaufer also known as the spook of St Trond
Fantastic show your on the edge of your seat. These poor guys what guts. Schweinfort was suicide and they all knew it. Greatest Generation god damn right.
B-17''s are fairly small airplanes, holding only eight 500lbs bombs. The Germans on the ground would count, " Eins...Zwei...Drei...Vier...Fünf...Sechs...Sieben...BOOM!"
From a tactical point of view, it was filmed well. The attack usually came from the front or from above. The B17 had almost no chance against the 20mm or later 30mm cannons. Flying Fortress is perhaps a bit too optimistic. The best chance of survival was simply the sheer mass of bombers, which had more influence on your own survival than any 50 caliber machine gun.
Well considering that the name "Flying Fortress" came from a magazine writer who made a segment over the plane BEFORE the war even started, it was fitting at the time where aircraft technology was kind of still transitioning from wooden biplanes into proper stained steel frames.
They didn't. One veteran B17 gunner in an interview said it happened. All the time, he couldn't say how many Bombers were shot down by friendly fire, but it was a lot.
i would say the bomber group flying scene looks good, the internal of b17 also looks good, but the air combat and bombing somehow are less well done, i dont know what it is but just a feeling. but overall, much better than i expected. and there is one scene, after the last guy jumped out, the entire B17 just blew up in the air like one of those action movie. it is so unnecessary and really took me out of the ww2 experience. on the other hand, dunkirk air combat was really well done, planes just dont explode in the sky like they took a missile in the fuel tank, even those air to air rockets didnt pack much explosives.
Yet, they did "just explode in the sky." Look up the fate of B17 "Little Willie." It lost a wing, went down, and was seen and photographed to explode while still falling. They are many other examples. Most agree it happened when an onboard fire finally got to the main fuel tanks or cooked off a bomb still in the racks. Just because YOU think it didn't happen doesn't make it so. However, getting out a moment or two before the ship exploding... I'll give you that, it's too Hollywood.
@@bmused55 The problem wasn't much the fuel tanks since those got pierced constantly, even by flak, the issue was the array of oxygen bottles inside the plane. Those could either detonate or burn turning the interior of the plane into an oven.
B-17s could easily go around 300 MPH especially when they drop their bombs becoming much lighter which is only around 200 MPH slower than your average airliner today
@@aurorathearcticwolf4243Not to mention the 109 and 190 being able to break 400 mph by 1943. And it’s only gonna get faster. Especially once mama Mustang and the 262 show up.
The plane was already at its limit, more armor means weight which translates into more fuel consumption (less range) and less speed (more chances to get killed). For example due to the severe casualty rate, Bomber Command produced a line of B-17's heavily armored and only carrying guns, like everywhere, intended to fly with the bomber formations and be a stationary defense position for the squads. This idea was scrapped as soon as possible since those extra plates and guns were so heavy that they weren't able to keep pace with the bombers, which turned into them been wiped out from the sky by the Luftwaffe. Plus the B.-17's engines were obsolete by 1940's standards (they were designed in the early 30's) which mean that the plane was heavily under powered.
Some stats to ponder... 73% of Eighth Army aircrew who flew missions before the Normandy Invasion would die or be captured. Yes, the casually rates were that high. That's what happens when you fly obsolete crates like the B-17 in daylight without fighter escort. The astonishing balls on those men to do this day after day with the faint hope of being one of the 27% who might have a chance to complete a tour. The tragedy is that the bombing campaign to this point was a complete waste. The damage 8th Army did when unescorted was essentially harmless. 73% casualties to do no meaningful damage...
My Dad completed 25 missions with the 100th BG on the Piccadlly Lily , 351stSQ. He flew every mission depicted so far in this series. He was a waist gunner . He always said he was a one lucky bastard.
Also the insane corruption behind the development of the bomb sight on the 17's made every operation a failure since they always missed the targets by 1 to 10 miles since the sight had many fatal flaws. Only when they packed enough planes together and flew low enough, some bombs started to hit the targets, and by some I mean around 2 to 10% at best for most of the war.
The early escort fighters had no legs. They would usually escort up to a point and then withdraw due to low fuel. Only then would German fighters strike.
I definitely see why this show has gotten so heavily criticized for it's CGI. The contrast between the ultra-realistic clouds and the poorly rendered planes is a bit jarring. Not to mention that the animation seems just a bit exaggerated. In the few shots we see them, the German fighters almost seem to move in unnatural ways, accelerating in various directions as if they have no real mass or weight and yet the US bombers also don't appear to have any motion to them. Then there's the way the gunners just flail about shooting randomly. Mathematic formulas for determining how to shoot at enemy planes had been developed at this point and gunners would have had a good understanding of the methods for engaging them. Then there's the dialogue, which is just bad. Worst of all, I don't feel anything when watching this. There's no tension or feeling of dread. If anyone is interested, go watch The Forgotten Battle. It's a 2020 WW2 movie told from the perspective of both sides and it has a scene with a bunch of British paratroopers in a glider that is way better than this despite having a much smaller budget.
Meanwhile, the RAF was knocking seven shades of shit out of the Nazis at night, with more effect and less fuss. For some reason this isnt mentioned in this show
@@John-qb8vd Every aircraft goes down in flames in a very unrealistic way. The Luftwaffe aircraft look like they are flying at Mach 2. In 2024 much better is possible. If they don't have the budget to do it properly then be smart and use fewer but better effects.
@@DarrenSawread accounts of the actual bomber crews and that’s what it felt like to them when they saw the fighters fly past them. That’s the whole point.
CGI is actually quite good. I think we come at it with a bias because we know it’s CGI. There’s no other way they could get B-17 groups this size my man
Its hard to put into words how incredibly brave these men were. The losses were horrific, but they still got in those planes and did their duty.
well said!
yes, imagine going up vs the bad guys... and all you have is that fragile little BF 109!
Yes, I agree. The Luftwaffe pilots were unbelievably brave and had reason to be defending their homeland.
My father was a B-17 waist gunner who flew the second Schweinfort raid and many more.... His bomb group the 305th lost most of their planes on that raid alone... My father never talked about his experiences...ever...I read his meticulous diary that he kept and...reading between the lines...it was worse than described...emotionally...seeing your friends slowly die in 50 degrees below zero....
I sincerely hope that when he came home, he led a long and fruitful life. Those of us born in the UK will never forget their sacrifices.
Things this show gets wrong, like all historical non fictional adaptations, but what it gets right, it gets right in a big way; German fighter strategy was to do just this. Out of the sun, head on, strafe the cockpit, kill the pilots and crew, come around and repeat. It's actually terrifying to imagine sitting flying that plane knowing there's 20mm cannon projectiles coming at you and there's no armour plating to stop it.
Can't run.
Can't hide.
Mission lasts for hours.
Plane could be under risk of fighter attack for over six hours. Plus, if you are damaged or wounded...safety is hours away.
How these guys didn't break from sheer fear is astonishing.
The german always attack, because they only get like 3 passes to attack the bomber formation (3 if they lucky enough to find the bomber formation from radar intercept). They dont wait for the sun behind them.
Same tactics was used by allied fighter pilots. And please remember, if you are sitting in a Focke Wulf or a ME109 cockpit, you are looking into a lot of 50 caliber barrels, from a whole bomber package.
@@frankschmitt6399Many German fighter pilots were terrified facing a large formation of Flying Fortresses.
Or how fast the German fighters go by. Honestly captures how the men, who were chock full of adrenaline probably felt like. You can hear it in interviews
Very realistic, that shows us the truth of dying during combat without any kind of heroism
These poor guys
No words
Heroes Thank you
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Complain about the CGI all you want, but this is probably as good a cinematic treatment as we're ever going to have of the horror show that was the air war over Germany.
Noting beats the movie "Battle of Britian" 1969. Most of the aircraft were actual WWII Spitfires and Messerschmitt p109s. A Luftwaffe Ace was a technical advisor in the film, also at least one pilot in the film was an actual WWII pilot. Most of the extras were actual survivors of the blitz bombing and they were reacting the memories of their experiences.
People are quite idiots about CGI since they complain about this when they praise shit like CW's Flash or the other Warner Flash with its 300 million thrown in the trash..
@0:27 just about when the tail gunner finishes saying ".... fighters" I could just make out the two dark specks of dust in the clouds that were the fighters. And with the scene swinging sideways, this reminded me of an autobiography by an RAF fighter pilot of WWII. The paragraph actually instructed any one reading the page to hold the book at arms length; turn your head to your left shoulder. Then while keeping the book outstretched, keep your gaze inline with straight ahead of your face and swing your head all the way to your right shoulder.
This was followed by the example he was making. If you couldn't reliably spot a period at the end of any sentence on the page, as you made the full left to right swing, that period was the size of an approaching enemy fighter and if you didn't see it on the first head swing, it would be within range of killing you when you next were looking straight ahead.
So for me this was great seeing the editors managed to show that threat several times, showing dull flecks of "dirt" moving behind the grey winged silhouettes of approaching aircraft.
People who are bashing this shows are just here to be controversial and be “rivet counters.” Who pleasure themselves knowing they know the B-17 turrets held 9 yards of ammo. This show has been amazing so far.
No, they are disappointed the brave crews who flew those missions are represented by a cliche a minute and low quality CGI bombers.
@@Watkinsstudio yea so just by that comment it’s pretty easy to tell you havnt seen the show besides little clips. I watch the show on my tv and it looks great. Not to mention people conveniently leave out all the parts of the 2 other shows where there was awful cg
@fitycalibre7555 I am glad I did watch clips. I am not going to pay for another service to watch more garbage if the clips sucked.
One thing rings false here: the cumulous clouds depicted in this scene are thick enough to have hidden the B-17 formation from the Luftwaffe fighters. FW190s and ME-109s did not have radar and could not have found the bombers in the cloud canyons. Most attacks on bombers occurred in clear air.
Germans had radar for aiming guns-clouds probably just hid the planes but radar aimed the gun
From what my father has told me about being a bomber pilot in the 392 Bomber Group-8th Air Force, this is very realistic. Father flew B-17s in training, but B-24s in combat. The 100th (the main group in Masters of the Air) flew B-17s out of Troops Abbott, East Anglia, UK. Father's group was station also in East Anglia (as were almost all of the bomber groups) at Wendling RAFB. Wendling is about 20-25 miles northeast of Troops Abbott. My father flew 35 combat missions. He said it was when they retrofitted the P-51 fighter with wing tanks, that he thought he might make it home alive. With the extra fuel tanks, the P-51 could take the bombers all the way to target and home. What brave men-all heroes!
Omg ,thx for sharing this interesting history.
Mörder von Zivilisten
Drop tanks, I think, but yes.
your flair for video creation is simply unmatched!
What's seldom depicted: those FW 190 didn't shoot 7,92 machine gun bullets. They had 20 mm auto cannons, w incendiary , high explosive or armor piercing shells. Four of them. And two 13 mm machine guns. Special bomber destroyers had 30 mm autocannons. Nicknamed "pneumatic hammers" by us aircrews.
If you look carefully you'll see they're 109s, the crews are misidentifying them - as happened constantly in action. There's another scene where they misidentify Bf 110s as Ju 88s. This is an excellent nod to the reality of air combat in the 40s. Shame about the weirdly shoddy external CGI especially given that the aircraft interiors are so well executed.
@@mredwardward Later versons of the 109 had a 20 mm gun mounted in the nose and heavier MG's in the wings. At the time this series is set I would wager that those 109's should be of that variant. And both the BF 109 and FW 190 had armement sets consisting of additional guns mounted in the wings for that extra hail of bullets
@@Athrun82 Yep, later Me 109s had a 30 mm autocannon in the nose. The FW 190 two in the wings. And the Me 262 FOUR 30 mm autocannons in the nose. Would be interesting if the series depict that.
This is a post war british test of the MK108 30 mm cannon.
ua-cam.com/video/91LUxqn1QY0/v-deo.htmlsi=4gpuzW_YyWQ9Zkuf
@@teatime6597 I doubt they will depict this part but Germany developed the "Schräge Musik" 20 mm guns which were build into the BF 110 and other night fighters. The guns would fire almost straight up as the pilots were trained to fly their plane right below the opponent and then let loose. One of the most famous BF 110 night fighters was a pilot called Schnaufer also known as the spook of St Trond
Fantastic show your on the edge of your seat. These poor guys what guts. Schweinfort was suicide and they all knew it. Greatest Generation god damn right.
B-17''s are fairly small airplanes, holding only eight 500lbs bombs.
The Germans on the ground would count, " Eins...Zwei...Drei...Vier...Fünf...Sechs...Sieben...BOOM!"
Masssive balls.
From a tactical point of view, it was filmed well. The attack usually came from the front or from above. The B17 had almost no chance against the 20mm or later 30mm cannons. Flying Fortress is perhaps a bit too optimistic. The best chance of survival was simply the sheer mass of bombers, which had more influence on your own survival than any 50 caliber machine gun.
They can only shoot down so many planes in the period of time, the more you send the higher the chance of survival
Frontal attacks were deadly because they targeted the weakest part of the bomber: the pilots.
@@NK-qn6pq Plus the B-17 didn't acquire chin turrets until somewhat later, so firepower was weakest from head-on.
Well considering that the name "Flying Fortress" came from a magazine writer who made a segment over the plane BEFORE the war even started, it was fitting at the time where aircraft technology was kind of still transitioning from wooden biplanes into proper stained steel frames.
I just watch to ep3 and the scene when the ball turret gunner Baby face got struck and couldnt get out was so hard !!
IN a close formation how the B17 crews avoided friendly fire incidents?
They didn't. One veteran B17 gunner in an interview said it happened. All the time, he couldn't say how many Bombers were shot down by friendly fire, but it was a lot.
@0:05 roger that WHAT?! I'm sure I'm not the only one that heard it wrongly
Major
Grow up.
1.07 did the waist gunner hit their adjacent Fort?
Lol looks like but in that chaos it is entirely possible.
Dont yell on the intercom.
i would say the bomber group flying scene looks good, the internal of b17 also looks good, but the air combat and bombing somehow are less well done, i dont know what it is but just a feeling. but overall, much better than i expected.
and there is one scene, after the last guy jumped out, the entire B17 just blew up in the air like one of those action movie. it is so unnecessary and really took me out of the ww2 experience. on the other hand, dunkirk air combat was really well done, planes just dont explode in the sky like they took a missile in the fuel tank, even those air to air rockets didnt pack much explosives.
Yet, they did "just explode in the sky." Look up the fate of B17 "Little Willie." It lost a wing, went down, and was seen and photographed to explode while still falling. They are many other examples. Most agree it happened when an onboard fire finally got to the main fuel tanks or cooked off a bomb still in the racks.
Just because YOU think it didn't happen doesn't make it so.
However, getting out a moment or two before the ship exploding... I'll give you that, it's too Hollywood.
@@bmused55 The problem wasn't much the fuel tanks since those got pierced constantly, even by flak, the issue was the array of oxygen bottles inside the plane. Those could either detonate or burn turning the interior of the plane into an oven.
best show in a long time!
Pauke Pauke !!!
Now this is WAR !
Huh?! Wow!
What a hell..😟 poor guys...
greatest generation!
The way they are blowing through those clouds, worlds fastest B-17’s, heck they are going fast as a modern airliner!
B-17s could easily go around 300 MPH especially when they drop their bombs becoming much lighter which is only around 200 MPH slower than your average airliner today
@@aurorathearcticwolf4243Not to mention the 109 and 190 being able to break 400 mph by 1943. And it’s only gonna get faster. Especially once mama Mustang and the 262 show up.
Never understood why they couldn't have armoured these planes more in crital areas for the sake of a couple of bombs.
cuz of weight
The plane was already at its limit, more armor means weight which translates into more fuel consumption (less range) and less speed (more chances to get killed). For example due to the severe casualty rate, Bomber Command produced a line of B-17's heavily armored and only carrying guns, like everywhere, intended to fly with the bomber formations and be a stationary defense position for the squads.
This idea was scrapped as soon as possible since those extra plates and guns were so heavy that they weren't able to keep pace with the bombers, which turned into them been wiped out from the sky by the Luftwaffe.
Plus the B.-17's engines were obsolete by 1940's standards (they were designed in the early 30's) which mean that the plane was heavily under powered.
Some stats to ponder...
73% of Eighth Army aircrew who flew missions before the Normandy Invasion would die or be captured.
Yes, the casually rates were that high. That's what happens when you fly obsolete crates like the B-17 in daylight without fighter escort.
The astonishing balls on those men to do this day after day with the faint hope of being one of the 27% who might have a chance to complete a tour.
The tragedy is that the bombing campaign to this point was a complete waste. The damage 8th Army did when unescorted was essentially harmless.
73% casualties to do no meaningful damage...
My Dad completed 25 missions with the 100th BG on the Piccadlly Lily , 351stSQ. He flew every mission depicted so far in this series. He was a waist gunner . He always said he was a one lucky bastard.
Mörder von Zivilisten
Its not true. The 8th air force largely destroyed the Luftwaffe before d day.
Also the insane corruption behind the development of the bomb sight on the 17's made every operation a failure since they always missed the targets by 1 to 10 miles since the sight had many fatal flaws. Only when they packed enough planes together and flew low enough, some bombs started to hit the targets, and by some I mean around 2 to 10% at best for most of the war.
bombing run in daytime without fighter escorts...
best strategy in WW2...
The early escort fighters had no legs. They would usually escort up to a point and then withdraw due to low fuel. Only then would German fighters strike.
Well, at night the RAF did not fare any better, the natchtjager made them shit from below with their 30mm fired from the Bf 110 or the Uhu...
@@gatoazul6918They seemed to have faired well at Hamburg and Kiel?
there's only 2 left from the 349th sir...
Elvis in a bomber. Thank you very much.
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I definitely see why this show has gotten so heavily criticized for it's CGI. The contrast between the ultra-realistic clouds and the poorly rendered planes is a bit jarring. Not to mention that the animation seems just a bit exaggerated. In the few shots we see them, the German fighters almost seem to move in unnatural ways, accelerating in various directions as if they have no real mass or weight and yet the US bombers also don't appear to have any motion to them. Then there's the way the gunners just flail about shooting randomly. Mathematic formulas for determining how to shoot at enemy planes had been developed at this point and gunners would have had a good understanding of the methods for engaging them. Then there's the dialogue, which is just bad. Worst of all, I don't feel anything when watching this. There's no tension or feeling of dread. If anyone is interested, go watch The Forgotten Battle. It's a 2020 WW2 movie told from the perspective of both sides and it has a scene with a bunch of British paratroopers in a glider that is way better than this despite having a much smaller budget.
You have to admire the Defence of the Reich fighters, they were only defending their families and they were more experienced than the allies!
And that's why the British bombed at night
Of course they focuses this series on the one and only person with Hebrew blood who was also an immigrant...
Realistic😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes
What you get when you farm out graphic work to cheap studios in India
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Props to the german fighters who fought this on a cloudy weather.
Meanwhile, the RAF was knocking seven shades of shit out of the Nazis at night, with more effect and less fuss. For some reason this isnt mentioned in this show
F.Y.N.
UnsereFlack war besser.
Too bad its on Apple TV... Instant pass, sorry, hate the brand to the core
Some poor CGI
Looks good to me, could you do it any better?
@@John-qb8vd Every aircraft goes down in flames in a very unrealistic way. The Luftwaffe aircraft look like they are flying at Mach 2.
In 2024 much better is possible. If they don't have the budget to do it properly then be smart and use fewer but better effects.
@@DarrenSawread accounts of the actual bomber crews and that’s what it felt like to them when they saw the fighters fly past them. That’s the whole point.
CGI is actually quite good. I think we come at it with a bias because we know it’s CGI. There’s no other way they could get B-17 groups this size my man
@@DarrenSaw It's called "telescoping", like a concertina accordion being pushed together. It intensifies the drama.