I have the Cobra T Rail and my distance and accuracy both improved a lot. I am 78 years old and play once a week. I do swing slow and my 7 iron is good for 150 yards.
repeatedly saying that these clubs are for seniors stigmatizes them in the eyes of your viewers ... 90% of the players out there would see significantly lower scores and just have more fun if they would use these types of clubs ... but for some reason (pros saying they are for seniors or ladies maybe?) they don't even try them and instead chunk and thin bullet blades all over the course because they look good in the bag. Instead of trying to only limit swing speed, vary the strike ... the most beneficial thing about these clubs is when the strike is half an inch from the center, you still get 95% of ball speed and they stay relatively online. You (just like most people) completely miss out on how this could dramatically help anyone with a double digit handicap, regardless of their age.
I am 5'6, and weigh right around 140 lb. I cannot get the swing speed or the power of my friends that I golf with. I am nowhere near a senior, and I use hybrid irons. It makes it more fun for me and the people I play with. These are fantastic irons for anyone that needs assistance like me.
I have the Wilson launch pads in the KBS steel shafts, I'm 50 years old and have had 3 knee surgery's . i switched from my Nike frs irons about 2 months ago and cut at least 4 strokes off my game. i can say the Wilsons are loud when you hit it flush. Wilson never gets the love of the other brands. If you want to spend about 200 more for the Cleveland or Cobra feel free to spend that money. I hit all 3 at golf galaxy and found the wilson's actually felt better to me. i play at least 30 to 40 rounds a year.
Yeah I tried them all too and went with the Wilsons and don't regret it. They are easy to hit, they hit high and straight and stop on the greens really well. The T-Rail was a close second though. I Didn't like the Clevelands.
I could only watch the 1st 7 minutes - the reviewer was struggling to "hit like a senior" I have an idea... go get a senior golfer. I realize this is 2 years old now so not a big deal, the video showed up in my feed when I was researching GI irons - mainly from 2022-24. thx
Playing T-rails (6-SW) since end of 2019 and absolutely the best irons I have used. The forgiveness and turf interaction are second to none and really shine in wet and tight conditions. Get fit with the right shaft and these are a game changer.
These are not the only way to go my friends. I have a set of Lazrus hybrids, 2-PW,they are great when hit halfway good. I missed my irons and felt better with irons for scoring clubs 7 down. I recently switched to a Full set of Adams V3 clubs 2,3,4,5,6 traditional hybrids, more like a wood. The 7-GW are more like an iron, but also hybrid clubs. These are the clubs for me. At 65, I finally switched to a senior flex, even with my swing speed on the faster end for my age. I drive 250 and straight usually.
I recently ordered a Cleveland Halo 6i and tried it out at a par-3. Took me bit to get use to it, but one the 5th hole, I hit a long lazy shot and nearly aced the hole on a elevated green! Haven't had a chance to take it to a full course, but I was pleased with it😆
Hi just watched your video testing Cobra, Cleveland and Wilson High launch clubs. I'm 68 years old 28 handicap, my swing speed is approximately 65 to 70 mph and play with Ping g25 which I've had for several years. I've been looking to replace them, I've tried out the Cobra T-rail 7 iron against my 7 g25, like you I had 10 shots with each club, i gained about 10 yds with the cobra and a tighter ball pattern. After watching your video, i will definitely be buying the cobra Irons. Keep up the good work. Ray, from UK.
I am gaming the Cleveland turbo, absolutely the easiest clubs to hit and launch I have ever hit, definitely improved my game , I was fitted at club champion
Well when you’re fitted at Club Champion, you can’t go wrong. Those folks are really solid and great at what they do. And it sounds like the Cleveland Launcher HB’s are working out terrifically for you!!!
These irons are not just for seniors, I'm a 14 handicap, 46 years old and these are so easy to hit. Especially out of the rough where I can still get the ball high in the air with bad lies. Anyone who wants to enjoy the game more and are higher than a 12 to 14 handicap can benefit from these.
Next time ask for volunteers I'm sure plenty of us "seniors" would be happy to do a real world test on this. Slowing your nice fluid swing to 70MPH is a far cry from our inability to get the club back very far and thus our 70 MPH will more than likely have a much lower Smash factor than yours but thanks for the video ...I'm 70 and looking for answers to losing yardage ...fast!
I like the reviews on the Wilson launchpad. I'm leaning towards the new Cleveland Halo set. Tough decision I've been all over the place. First it was the t rails then I was interested in the launch pads now the Halo 2 really caught my eye.
If you want to simulate the swing of those of us looking at UGI clubs, you should test them by striking the ball a 1/4" left, 1/4" right, 1/4" high, 1/4" low and with the face open & closed by 5 or 10 degrees. If I could hit the ball in the sweet spot & square, I wouldn't need UGI clubs... 😛
I use the Wilson Launchpads, I am 62 and played off 7 in my youth. After 50 years with my Falcon blades I bought them and never looked back. My handicap down from 19 to 15 in 4 months.
Hello David just wondering how the Launchpad irons are going, hopefully really well for you. Regarding the paint finish is it marking up easy or standing up to bag knocks well. regards Mel (UK)
I am a 73 year old man and I tried the T rails. I never had a problem getting the ball in the air. My problem with them is that they went high and short. I sold them and ordered a set of Srixon ZX 5 irons. Waiting for them to come in. In the meantime I am using my old Wilson Ci 9 irons.
Not me thanks. I’m not interested in improving my game having more fun. Where can i find some irons that are marketed as “exceptionally hard to hit and hard to improve,”
I'm 50 and a 7 handicap with 105 driver clubhead speed ... I use the Mizuno 921 HotMetal Fli-Hi (hybrid style irons) all the way down to 7 iron ... transformed my game. a lot of people would benefit from these types of clubs, so the constant reference to seniors not only feels a bit condescending, but is narrow minded.
I was fitted for the T-Rails was out of stock at the time, personally I liked the Cleveland HBs better and went with them. I struggled with hitting the Wilsons. Now after a year and a half my game is all messed up with being fitted for a Driver, Fairway wood, Hybrid, Irons, and Wedge set with 5 different shafts and various length and lie angle changes through out the set. I'm going back to what works best for me. A 13 piece set of all hybrid clubs 12°-61°. May not get the distance at the top end of without a driver and fairways but will have the consitsinty of the same shaft, also with loft, lie and length change through out the complete set. Should of never went away from all hybrid set.
what the hell buddy, I'm 68 and swing my 9 iron at 83 mph and my driver around 10 to 14 mph faster. I play the cleveland HB, great club, wonderful forgiveness.
That’s awesome Alex. But many players of your age (and more often, older), generally have slightly less swing speed than you. It’s a damned if I do, damned if I don’t scenario. Because the request I was getting was from players with the swing speed I was trying to produce here. But sometimes when I test things with my normal speed, I get complaints that they don’t know how that translates to those that don’t have my swing speed. So, it’s just trying to appeal to everyone.
I'm 50 and am about 105 mph with the driver ... I play a very similar club to these (Mizuno 921 Hot Metal Fli-Hi) down to 7 iron. very little ball speed drop off with off center hits and my last 3 rounds have been in the 70's ... these things are not just for seniors ... they are for anybody who gets better results with them, regardless of age.
@@chipandputt totally, if the main reason you don't score better is miss hits (thins, fats, slices, hooks) then surely you just want the club that helps the most? Yeah, a 4 iron blade in your bag might look cool and make you feel good, but a 4 "iron" hybrid 180 yards long over 50' tall trees back onto the correct fairway after a waywood drive actually is cool and will have you scoring better.
Yes, I thought his half speed swing approach was a insultingly presumptuous and probably inaccurate… many seniors have higher swing speeds and skill levels… indeed many level players benefit from and enjoy this technology as shown by other reviewers.
With the greatest respect, why bother? You have little or no respect for your supposed target audience. You are so embarrassed by having to produce something that you feel is so below your abilities and your supercilious lack of grace or charm is almost confronting. Again, why bother? As a matter of interest this is the first time I have ever responded to a UA-cam instruction video. Congratulations. Your contempt for a class of persons (ie. older people) is so profound that it is breathtaking. Well done Buddy.
I'm disappointed in this comparison. Get an actual senior to perform the test. I bought the Wilson LP set and they are very good clubs. I'm 66 and only had these clubs a couple months. Hitting them between 65-70mph and getting much higher height then you were getting and much higher spin rate. Can't see this comparison as very useful to be honest. I felt you were biased right off the bat as soon as you determined you didn't like the looks and sound. I don't know why you guys get so hung up on sound or looks...
I bought the 2020 Wilson LP. I’m 34, 100mph swing. I bought them for forgiveness because I’m only 3 years into playing. I legit broke 90 with these 2 rounds in a row for the first time ever! Beyond that, the PW chipping is amazing! Highly recommend these and not just for seniors! That’s peoples small members getting in the way.
Great video. I am definitely gonna check out the t rails for my mid irons. I think the cobra t rails look awesome in that black color. Cool they have a forged face too. Well done cobra.
Great review Matt been waiting for this test for so long. The T rail I think looks the best , has a forged face and the rails plus a very good option on hybrid or hybrid irons. As a senior and 22 handicapper these are on my list. Played the Cleveland with great results although lost a little distance due to spin. My other options are Sim max2 O/S, T400, JPX 921 HM, and Callaway Bb21. I know from Golfdigest and here in the UK the only irons that get a five star rating for forgiveness are the hybrid irons, so my front runner. Price wise too along with the Mizuno. The others are very pricey four digits for seven irons. Great review thanks 🙏
Thanks so much for the support and feedback Seve! I don’t know much about your swing or game. But if you’re considering ultra game improvement irons like the one in this video, allow me to narrow the choice of those other irons you mentioned. Of those, I would advise you narrow it to the Callaway Apex DCB and SiM2 Max OS. I definitely would rule out the Mizuno JPX921 HM (not because they are bad irons. They aren’t. They’re really great. But I don’t think they will provide the loft and distance help that a player might need when compared to these others). If you really want a hybrid type iron, then the Cobra T-Rail is the clear choice as I mentioned. You’ll have to check back later and let me know what you ended up getting!
Matt, had to have been your swing. Have the Cleveland HBs and consistently hit draws into the center of fairway. Very forgiving, and using them to chip and pitch is simply easy. My experience anyway.
It seems that like you mentioned, you made some changes in her hitting during yt test that had effect on results, especially on consistency. Otherwise a very useful test. I ended up in my comparison to Cleveland, and has been very happy with it. Also my hcp dropped down 7 points in 3 months, due to improved consistency. Thank you for sharing. Keep it up your good work. 👍
Great video for insight into hybrids Matt, I do like the idea of hitting good iron shots but I hit more consistently with hybrids and Woods. Also one of the manufacturers did a survey based on 10-18 handicappers and it revealed that those players were 12 per cent better off using hybrids than irons. Basically more 'Fat' shots were hit with irons in that handicap range. You've sold me on the Cobras Matt let's see what I buy when I have my fitting. Only thing not mentioned was regarding shafts , Graphte shafts available but what about Steel? Am I right in thinking those Hybrids only come with Graphite shafts? I have only ever used steel shafts, guess I'll find out when I have my fitting. Thanks again Matt.
Just watched a video of a senior hitting Cleveland and Cobra. His numbers were WAY different than yours. He liked the look of the T-Rails better, but hit much straighter, farther and a better grouping than the Cobras. Goes to show, it depends on the golfer
@@TMar1961 - This might be it. I'm a bit crunched for time so i can't watch it to make sure it's the one I was talking about, but my history shows I've seen it: ua-cam.com/video/-hGOhNrD0Tk/v-deo.html
Do you think this is something for seniors only? I love hitting my hybrids out of all the clubs in my bag and I only play about 20 times a year 35 years old and average around 95 is this something you think could improve my score and consistency?
No. These fall under the Ultra Game Improvement irons, and absent of seeing your swing, I’d be willing to take a guess that Game Improvement Irons could be the right choice for you given your age and swing speed. It’s not that these are designed for “only” seniors, but definitely are in mind for players of slower swing speeds.
One player in his 40s at my club uses a 4&5 Cleveland HB Launcher in his bag. He plays off 6. I am a senior player ( handicap 12) and I played a borrowed set of the Cleveland HB Launchers ( 5-GW) and scored an 80 round; impressive and so easy to hit well. I like the fact that they fly lower than the T-rails and spin plenty to stop quickly. I am not concerned about which club is longest, just which club caries a consistent distance. They give a tight draw shape, but you can fade them it you try to.
@@MattWilliamsGolf you should realize this statement makes no sense. Instead of the noodle stick shafts they offer as standard, I know that Wilson at least offers other shafts that accommodate any swing speed. My driver SS is 105 and I’m moving to some of these because I struggle hitting irons and want more consistency. Your bias on these clubs is ridiculous.
@@MattWilliamsGolf Just watched again. Your thoroughness is what caused me to commit to my T-Rail purchase. Your head-to-head reviews certainly stand out from others.
"these are all really strong lofted", that's just not true, the Cleveland's are exactly the same lofts as their normal UHX irons. Obv they are power bats compared to full on blades. I game some older Cleveland HiBore hybrid irons. They're great, as a 20 ish handicapper 99% of the time all I want is the ball high and straight and my miss hits giving as much help as possible. And "they just cut"...you're suggesting you delivered a piece of metal in a straight line at 70mph to a golf ball and it didn't go straight?
i would have like to see this against the new XL cleveland if we going to buy new set..I think the new tech in cleveland would tighten this test up a lot with that wider sweet spot an the t rail system
Somehow the golf professionals and club makers always seem to mix two things. Slow swing and poor swing or poor ball contact. As you get older, your swing definitely slows down. But does this automatically make your ball contact worse? So why always forgiving irons? Shouldn't there be something like blades that were just built for slower swing?
Wondering what these would be like out of the rough? I'm guessing Cobra with more compact head? and rails might perform best. That's what concerns me about these big heads.
Thanks for this review for a senior golfer reviews for these clubs is hard to fine. I have been playing for the last 5 years Cobra F-Max with a the offset clubs. Now my swing has changed after lessons as a senior (75) looking for a change in clubs. For got to ask where are you located?
Hello Mat great review. Can you tell me if you notice any difference in Static and swing weight. I am 67 and suffer from hand issues, tendonitis and arthritis. Looking for a lighter set than my present Ping gmax irons with steel shafts.Playing WHS 9.4
Wow. Just wow. The distaste for the whole thing is palpable. And wouldn't it have made sense to have a senior friend and so-so golfer hit the balls rather than a golf instructor? I have no idea if the observations are legitimate or just the result of cranking down your superior swing. I doubt your cranked down swing is the same as a senior's normal swing. Disappointed.
I found a paragon r6000 #8 iron in a charity shop and paid 1 pound. I have since then established a set made up of this club and Tour Edge Bazooka and I am having great fun.
I find that people who review golf clubs put to much into how they sound and feel….all I’m interested in is how straight and how far they go..I could care less about sound and not so much about feel…👍🏼👍🏼
These comments make me smile. So glad he got roasted with his incredibly ignorant assumptions regarding these clubs. My driver SS at 55 is 105 mph and I’m moving into some of these because my iron game is my weakness, whereas I hit my hybrids quite well. I play 20, 23 and 26 degree Mizuno Fli-hi hybrids and am going to bag the Launchpads in 30, 34, and 39 degrees. Can’t wait to be able to minimize the damage done by poor iron swings. 😊🏌️♂️⛳️
I find that people who review golf clubs put to much into how they sound and feel….all I’m interested in is how straight and how far they go..I could care less about sound and not so much about feel…👍🏼👍🏼
I have the Cobra T Rail and my distance and accuracy both improved a lot. I am 78 years old and play once a week. I do swing slow and my 7 iron is good for 150 yards.
repeatedly saying that these clubs are for seniors stigmatizes them in the eyes of your viewers ... 90% of the players out there would see significantly lower scores and just have more fun if they would use these types of clubs ... but for some reason (pros saying they are for seniors or ladies maybe?) they don't even try them and instead chunk and thin bullet blades all over the course because they look good in the bag. Instead of trying to only limit swing speed, vary the strike ... the most beneficial thing about these clubs is when the strike is half an inch from the center, you still get 95% of ball speed and they stay relatively online. You (just like most people) completely miss out on how this could dramatically help anyone with a double digit handicap, regardless of their age.
Well said!
Just bought a set a few weeks ago. I can honestly say I have had a lot more fun going out and playing agin.
100% agree. Not sure why it’s titled this. These are clubs for everyone.
I am 5'6, and weigh right around 140 lb. I cannot get the swing speed or the power of my friends that I golf with. I am nowhere near a senior, and I use hybrid irons. It makes it more fun for me and the people I play with. These are fantastic irons for anyone that needs assistance like me.
I have the Wilson launch pads in the KBS steel shafts, I'm 50 years old and have had 3 knee surgery's . i switched from my Nike frs irons about 2 months ago and cut at least 4 strokes off my game. i can say the Wilsons are loud when you hit it flush. Wilson never gets the love of the other brands. If you want to spend about 200 more for the Cleveland or Cobra feel free to spend that money. I hit all 3 at golf galaxy and found the wilson's actually felt better to me. i play at least 30 to 40 rounds a year.
Yeah I tried them all too and went with the Wilsons and don't regret it. They are easy to hit, they hit high and straight and stop on the greens really well. The T-Rail was a close second though. I Didn't like the Clevelands.
I could only watch the 1st 7 minutes - the reviewer was struggling to "hit like a senior" I have an idea... go get a senior golfer. I realize this is 2 years old now so not a big deal, the video showed up in my feed when I was researching GI irons - mainly from 2022-24. thx
Playing T-rails (6-SW) since end of 2019 and absolutely the best irons I have used. The forgiveness and turf interaction are second to none and really shine in wet and tight conditions. Get fit with the right shaft and these are a game changer.
Buying a set for my 70 year old dad. Would you go 4 and 5 hybrid and 6-PW or 4hybrid and then 5-PW
I'm glad they're developing clubs and irons for seniors where they can stay active and play.
You could argue a lot more players than seniors would benefit from these tpye of clubs.
These are not the only way to go my friends.
I have a set of Lazrus hybrids, 2-PW,they are great when hit halfway good. I missed my irons and felt better with irons for scoring clubs 7 down.
I recently switched to a Full set of Adams V3 clubs 2,3,4,5,6 traditional hybrids, more like a wood. The 7-GW are more like an iron, but also hybrid clubs.
These are the clubs for me. At 65, I finally switched to a senior flex, even with my swing speed on the faster end for my age. I drive 250 and straight usually.
I recently ordered a Cleveland Halo 6i and tried it out at a par-3. Took me bit to get use to it, but one the 5th hole, I hit a long lazy shot and nearly aced the hole on a elevated green! Haven't had a chance to take it to a full course, but I was pleased with it😆
Hi just watched your video testing Cobra, Cleveland and Wilson High launch clubs. I'm 68 years old 28 handicap, my swing speed is approximately 65 to 70 mph and play with Ping g25 which I've had for several years.
I've been looking to replace them, I've tried out the Cobra T-rail 7 iron against my 7 g25, like you I had 10 shots with each club, i gained about 10 yds with the cobra and a tighter ball pattern. After watching your video, i will definitely be buying the cobra Irons. Keep up the good work.
Ray, from UK.
I am gaming the Cleveland turbo, absolutely the easiest clubs to hit and launch I have ever hit, definitely improved my game , I was fitted at club champion
Well when you’re fitted at Club Champion, you can’t go wrong. Those folks are really solid and great at what they do. And it sounds like the Cleveland Launcher HB’s are working out terrifically for you!!!
These irons are not just for seniors, I'm a 14 handicap, 46 years old and these are so easy to hit. Especially out of the rough where I can still get the ball high in the air with bad lies. Anyone who wants to enjoy the game more and are higher than a 12 to 14 handicap can benefit from these.
I'm a 46 handicap.. I hope these help lol
These clubs anyone can use, but ego gets in the way. In my 30s playing of 7.3 using wilson launchpad, because they are easy to use
Iʻm glad you said this. I agree. Anyone can hit these.
Just bought some for myself. 34 year old male. Absolutely love them! Crazy how consistent my shots are now
It’s a terrible thing to say only seniors can use them.
I have ordered the Cleveland’s and can’t wait as my iron game is my weakest aspect of golf
@@samrawlinson115 What's the verdict on the Clevelands?
I’ve got a set of Launch pad 2 irons with senior graphite shafts that I absolutely love…easiest irons I’ve ever hit for sure 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Next time ask for volunteers I'm sure plenty of us "seniors" would be happy to do a real world test on this. Slowing your nice fluid swing to 70MPH is a far cry from our inability to get the club back very far and thus our 70 MPH will more than likely have a much lower Smash factor than yours but thanks for the video ...I'm 70 and looking for answers to losing yardage ...fast!
I like the reviews on the Wilson launchpad. I'm leaning towards the new Cleveland Halo set. Tough decision I've been all over the place. First it was the t rails then I was interested in the launch pads now the Halo 2 really caught my eye.
Just got the halo XL. From Amazon, 40% off with senior shaft, played just 2 x. Highly recommended
I got them in my Amazon box I think I'm going to order them. I'm probably going to stick with the steel shafts. Thanks for your input
If you want to simulate the swing of those of us looking at UGI clubs, you should test them by striking the ball a 1/4" left, 1/4" right, 1/4" high, 1/4" low and with the face open & closed by 5 or 10 degrees. If I could hit the ball in the sweet spot & square, I wouldn't need UGI clubs... 😛
I use the Wilson Launchpads, I am 62 and played off 7 in my youth. After 50 years with my Falcon blades I bought them and never looked back. My handicap down from 19 to 15 in 4 months.
Hello David just wondering how the Launchpad irons are going, hopefully really well for you. Regarding the paint finish is it marking up easy or standing up to bag knocks well.
regards Mel (UK)
@@melwalker2135 hi Mel, thanks, I actually use head covers so I don’t notice any paint damage.
I am a 73 year old man and I tried the T rails. I never had a problem getting the ball in the air.
My problem with them is that they went high and short.
I sold them and ordered a set of Srixon ZX 5 irons. Waiting for them to come in. In the meantime I am using my old Wilson Ci 9 irons.
Not me thanks. I’m not interested in improving my game having more fun. Where can i find some irons that are marketed as “exceptionally hard to hit and hard to improve,”
Im 34 in great shape and i use the cleveland turbo launchers in a stiff steel flex. Love them, will never go back to conventional irons
I'm 50 and a 7 handicap with 105 driver clubhead speed ... I use the Mizuno 921 HotMetal Fli-Hi (hybrid style irons) all the way down to 7 iron ... transformed my game. a lot of people would benefit from these types of clubs, so the constant reference to seniors not only feels a bit condescending, but is narrow minded.
I was fitted for the T-Rails was out of stock at the time, personally I liked the Cleveland HBs better and went with them. I struggled with hitting the Wilsons. Now after a year and a half my game is all messed up with being fitted for a Driver, Fairway wood, Hybrid, Irons, and Wedge set with 5 different shafts and various length and lie angle changes through out the set. I'm going back to what works best for me. A 13 piece set of all hybrid clubs 12°-61°. May not get the distance at the top end of without a driver and fairways but will have the consitsinty of the same shaft, also with loft, lie and length change through out the complete set. Should of never went away from all hybrid set.
Oh I do like these club offerings…I’m 52 and my game needs some help-thanks for the video. New sub!
Great video. One item you did not address was the black finish on the Cobra club face. After several hits the face will discolor.
Cleveland has 2 generations since this test Turbo and Halo
I just purchased the Wilson Launch Pads, for 2/3's the price its the better fit personally.
what the hell buddy, I'm 68 and swing my 9 iron at 83 mph and my driver around 10 to 14 mph faster. I play the cleveland HB, great club, wonderful forgiveness.
That’s awesome Alex. But many players of your age (and more often, older), generally have slightly less swing speed than you. It’s a damned if I do, damned if I don’t scenario. Because the request I was getting was from players with the swing speed I was trying to produce here. But sometimes when I test things with my normal speed, I get complaints that they don’t know how that translates to those that don’t have my swing speed. So, it’s just trying to appeal to everyone.
I'm 50 and am about 105 mph with the driver ... I play a very similar club to these (Mizuno 921 Hot Metal Fli-Hi) down to 7 iron. very little ball speed drop off with off center hits and my last 3 rounds have been in the 70's ... these things are not just for seniors ... they are for anybody who gets better results with them, regardless of age.
@@chipandputt totally, if the main reason you don't score better is miss hits (thins, fats, slices, hooks) then surely you just want the club that helps the most?
Yeah, a 4 iron blade in your bag might look cool and make you feel good, but a 4 "iron" hybrid 180 yards long over 50' tall trees back onto the correct fairway after a waywood drive actually is cool and will have you scoring better.
Good review but I wish you would have put a more regular swing on this. Many people buying these clubs may not be seniors.
Yes, I thought his half speed swing approach was a insultingly presumptuous and probably inaccurate… many seniors have higher swing speeds and skill levels… indeed many level players benefit from and enjoy this technology as shown by other reviewers.
With the greatest respect, why bother?
You have little or no respect for your supposed target audience. You are so embarrassed by having to produce something that you feel is so below your abilities and your supercilious lack of grace or charm is almost confronting. Again, why bother? As a matter of interest this is the first time I have ever responded to a UA-cam instruction video.
Congratulations. Your contempt for a class of persons (ie. older people) is so profound that it is breathtaking.
Well done Buddy.
I'm disappointed in this comparison. Get an actual senior to perform the test. I bought the Wilson LP set and they are very good clubs. I'm 66 and only had these clubs a couple months. Hitting them between 65-70mph and getting much higher height then you were getting and much higher spin rate. Can't see this comparison as very useful to be honest. I felt you were biased right off the bat as soon as you determined you didn't like the looks and sound. I don't know why you guys get so hung up on sound or looks...
Saying the are "for seniors" is pretty stupid IMHO. It perpetuates the same old BS attitude.
I bought the 2020 Wilson LP. I’m 34, 100mph swing. I bought them for forgiveness because I’m only 3 years into playing. I legit broke 90 with these 2 rounds in a row for the first time ever! Beyond that, the PW chipping is amazing! Highly recommend these and not just for seniors! That’s peoples small members getting in the way.
Great review! I’m in the market after 20 years away from the game. This helped me a lot!
I have just bought the cobras. By far the best of a great bunch in my opinion.
Why 70 mph I swing 84 mph and I hit those very very well
Show seniors USING them..would be a better video....and you can talk about the improvement or not
The Wilson’s Launch pad 2’s are much better looking…👍🏼👍🏼
Great video. I am definitely gonna check out the t rails for my mid irons. I think the cobra t rails look awesome in that black color. Cool they have a forged face too. Well done cobra.
Great review Matt been waiting for this test for so long. The T rail I think looks the best , has a forged face and the rails plus a very good option on hybrid or hybrid irons. As a senior and 22 handicapper these are on my list. Played the Cleveland with great results although lost a little distance due to spin.
My other options are Sim max2 O/S, T400, JPX 921 HM, and Callaway Bb21. I know from Golfdigest and here in the UK the only irons that get a five star rating for forgiveness are the hybrid irons, so my front runner. Price wise too along with the Mizuno. The others are very pricey four digits for seven irons.
Great review thanks 🙏
Thanks so much for the support and feedback Seve! I don’t know much about your swing or game. But if you’re considering ultra game improvement irons like the one in this video, allow me to narrow the choice of those other irons you mentioned. Of those, I would advise you narrow it to the Callaway Apex DCB and SiM2 Max OS. I definitely would rule out the Mizuno JPX921 HM (not because they are bad irons. They aren’t. They’re really great. But I don’t think they will provide the loft and distance help that a player might need when compared to these others). If you really want a hybrid type iron, then the Cobra T-Rail is the clear choice as I mentioned. You’ll have to check back later and let me know what you ended up getting!
@@MattWilliamsGolf Thanks Matt great advice will let you know! By the way do you rate the Wilson D9 irons great price?
Just bought a set of 2021 T rails waiting for them to arrive
Matt, had to have been your swing. Have the Cleveland HBs and consistently hit draws into the center of fairway. Very forgiving, and using them to chip and pitch is simply easy. My experience anyway.
It seems that like you mentioned, you made some changes in her hitting during yt test that had effect on results, especially on consistency. Otherwise a very useful test. I ended up in my comparison to Cleveland, and has been very happy with it. Also my hcp dropped down 7 points in 3 months, due to improved consistency. Thank you for sharing. Keep it up your good work. 👍
Should have. got a sensor to do that testing for you . Good video
Great video for insight into hybrids Matt,
I do like the idea of hitting good iron shots but I hit more consistently with hybrids and Woods. Also one of the manufacturers did a survey based on 10-18 handicappers and it revealed that those players were 12 per cent better off using hybrids than irons. Basically more 'Fat' shots were hit with irons in that handicap range. You've sold me on the Cobras Matt let's see what I buy when I have my fitting. Only thing not mentioned was regarding shafts , Graphte shafts available but what about Steel? Am I right in thinking those Hybrids only come with Graphite shafts? I have only ever used steel shafts, guess I'll find out when I have my fitting. Thanks again Matt.
My pleasure. Just hope it translates to being a great choice for you!
Couldn’t watch your video, theses clubs are only for old people?
Great video. Wish you had taken some full speed swings and shared results.
Just watched a video of a senior hitting Cleveland and Cobra. His numbers were WAY different than yours. He liked the look of the T-Rails better, but hit much straighter, farther and a better grouping than the Cobras. Goes to show, it depends on the golfer
Can you link that video please. Just remove the . and replace it with the word DOT.
@@TMar1961 - This might be it. I'm a bit crunched for time so i can't watch it to make sure it's the one I was talking about, but my history shows I've seen it: ua-cam.com/video/-hGOhNrD0Tk/v-deo.html
@@ikigai47 thanks.
@@TMar1961 - NP. And yes, it's the right one.
Do you think this is something for seniors only? I love hitting my hybrids out of all the clubs in my bag and I only play about 20 times a year 35 years old and average around 95 is this something you think could improve my score and consistency?
No. These fall under the Ultra Game Improvement irons, and absent of seeing your swing, I’d be willing to take a guess that Game Improvement Irons could be the right choice for you given your age and swing speed. It’s not that these are designed for “only” seniors, but definitely are in mind for players of slower swing speeds.
One player in his 40s at my club uses a 4&5 Cleveland HB Launcher in his bag. He plays off 6. I am a senior player ( handicap 12) and I played a borrowed set of the Cleveland HB Launchers ( 5-GW) and scored an 80 round; impressive and so easy to hit well. I like the fact that they fly lower than the T-rails and spin plenty to stop quickly. I am not concerned about which club is longest, just which club caries a consistent distance. They give a tight draw shape, but you can fade them it you try to.
@@MattWilliamsGolf you should realize this statement makes no sense. Instead of the noodle stick shafts they offer as standard, I know that Wilson at least offers other shafts that accommodate any swing speed. My driver SS is 105 and I’m moving to some of these because I struggle hitting irons and want more consistency. Your bias on these clubs is ridiculous.
Great review, very clear insights.
Thanks Robert!!!
@@MattWilliamsGolf Just watched again. Your thoroughness is what caused me to commit to my T-Rail purchase. Your head-to-head reviews certainly stand out from others.
"these are all really strong lofted", that's just not true, the Cleveland's are exactly the same lofts as their normal UHX irons.
Obv they are power bats compared to full on blades.
I game some older Cleveland HiBore hybrid irons. They're great, as a 20 ish handicapper 99% of the time all I want is the ball high and straight and my miss hits giving as much help as possible.
And "they just cut"...you're suggesting you delivered a piece of metal in a straight line at 70mph to a golf ball and it didn't go straight?
i would have like to see this against the new XL cleveland if we going to buy new set..I think the new tech in cleveland would tighten this test up a lot with that wider sweet spot an the t rail system
The Wilson LP are awesome. I went from high 90's to low 80's almost overnight. I don't understand the reluctance
Did you get fit or buy direct to consumer?
Somehow the golf professionals and club makers always seem to mix two things. Slow swing and poor swing or poor ball contact. As you get older, your swing definitely slows down. But does this automatically make your ball contact worse? So why always forgiving irons? Shouldn't there be something like blades that were just built for slower swing?
Callaway Big Bertha OS are tremendous and I’m a 8 hcp with faster swing
Wondering what these would be like out of the rough? I'm guessing Cobra with more compact head? and rails might perform best. That's what concerns me about these big heads.
Thanks for this review for a senior golfer reviews for these clubs is hard to fine. I have been playing for the last 5 years Cobra F-Max with a the offset clubs. Now my swing has changed after lessons as a senior (75) looking for a change in clubs. For got to ask where are you located?
And what about other most used currencies: 1) US dollar (USD) 2)Euro (EUR) 3) Japanese yen (JPY) ...?
I’d like to see these offered with “one length” shafts.
Hello Mat great review. Can you tell me if you notice any difference in Static and swing weight. I am 67 and suffer from hand issues, tendonitis and arthritis. Looking for a lighter set than my present Ping gmax irons with steel shafts.Playing WHS 9.4
Stupid stupid stupid. Why is “ senior” the denominator??
Wow. Just wow. The distaste for the whole thing is palpable. And wouldn't it have made sense to have a senior friend and so-so golfer hit the balls rather than a golf instructor? I have no idea if the observations are legitimate or just the result of cranking down your superior swing. I doubt your cranked down swing is the same as a senior's normal swing. Disappointed.
Got to the end of the video, despite all the clicks and distortion on the sound track.
Nice job👍👍
Thanks Roy!
Between the callaway apex dcb titleist t300 taylormade sim 2 max and ping g425 irons which one do you consider the best
I found a paragon r6000 #8 iron in a charity shop and paid 1 pound. I have since then established a set made up of this club and Tour Edge Bazooka and I am having great fun.
Did you ever get a new set of irons?
Why for Seniors?
Wilson the best
People should stop calling these senior clubs. Most golfers would improve by playing these clubs.
I find that people who review golf clubs put to much into how they sound and feel….all I’m interested in is how straight and how far they go..I could care less about sound and not so much about feel…👍🏼👍🏼
Why not just go ahead and hit it properly and tell us what it’s like?
When he says senior speed he must be speaking of around 78 or older.
Mr. Matt...where did you go? Are you still making videos or are you more concentrated on golf and your swing at the moment?
I’ll be back soon Mark! Just had some business I absolutely had to attend to. But I should be back to some content soon!
@@MattWilliamsGolf Good...missed the videos! Hope all is well and everything turned out ok!
Great review
you make it sound like saying the word "seniors" is a cuss word. For pete's sake, golf is a game & clubs are TOOLS for that game whatever age or sex!
Next time just get a senior with a mid handicap to test senior irons.
It's a complete waste of time comparing any clubs while using range balls.
These comments make me smile. So glad he got roasted with his incredibly ignorant assumptions regarding these clubs. My driver SS at 55 is 105 mph and I’m moving into some of these because my iron game is my weakness, whereas I hit my hybrids quite well. I play 20, 23 and 26 degree Mizuno Fli-hi hybrids and am going to bag the Launchpads in 30, 34, and 39 degrees. Can’t wait to be able to minimize the damage done by poor iron swings. 😊🏌️♂️⛳️
I find that people who review golf clubs put to much into how they sound and feel….all I’m interested in is how straight and how far they go..I could care less about sound and not so much about feel…👍🏼👍🏼