@@juliakimaro959 I came here b/c I got an alert that someone made a comment, but I was super confused b/c what does "east African ancestry" have anything to do w/my comment? But after reading through everything, I'm even more confused as to how your ancestry has anything to do with your comment???
With kids' shows like Little Bill, That's So Raven, and the Proud Family were some, but I'm not sure there are as many shows now that embrace different shades and put POC characters at the forefront. It might just be because I don't watch much TV anymore, though, but it's definitely something I noticed.
Actually it was just as worse as it was back then. I remember seeing a video and it was about Jet magazine and their cover photos and it was all light skinned women or talking about why black men should marry Asian women. It was weird
The way I didn't even question there not being any Asians... despite being Asian. It's just SO normal to not see anyone like me (especially being south Asian).
I was looking for this comment! I even searched the back of scenes at the extras but literally not a single Asian person 🙄 I hope they will respond to all of this in future sessions
Not saying you're wrong, but there are period pieces for Asians though, right? I always thought Bridgerton tried including Black representation outside of the "real life" period pieces that focus on trauma. Whereas other POC don't share that experience of no representation outside of trauma.
i'm talking ab Bridgerton in particular, im arab (Palestinian) and would love to see more representation of my ppl that doesn't include being terrorists lol so i def agree but just wanted to include another perspective on why the only poc in Bridgerton are black
@@sabrinanaser9327 Maybe for East Asians? I haven't seen any but as far as I know, there isn't a lot. If the intention of the show was to create Black representation that doesn't focus on trauma, then it makes sense that there weren't any Asians. As a South Asian we have almost no positive representation in mainstream media and I'm not sure if there are period pieces involving South Asians at all. I'm Indian and I can't think of a single show where there are Indian characters who are likable and complex, rather than the usual unattractive nerd. However, I totally get why we might not see Asians in Bridgerton specifically.
The way Bridgerton just mixed up different regional cultures in India as 'Indian'. Them being from Bombay, speaking Marathi, but also using 'appa' (a South Indian word) with didi (Hindi) and Bon (bengali). And as a Bengali living in North India all my life i recognise that isn't accurate. They take random bits of aesthetically pleasing representation and just amalgamate it into 'indian girl'.
Yeah… I dunno. I see it differently? Like, when I watched Black Panther (I’m black) I noticed that they have shit from all over the continent mixed in. On the one hand, sure it’s not specific. But in the other, I genuinely wonder if idiosyncratic specificity actually can be more representative than one single specific type of person? For example, on the continent on Africa there are of course thousands of cultures and languages and traditions and so no one movie could ever represent them all with any depth. So if you can’t do that (if there just isn’t the time or space to do it), is pulling out specifics from different parts of the area you’re trying to represent potentially a better way to allow people to see themselves in a set of characters then getting one very specific region and culture exactly right? I’m not 100% convinced that that’s the case or anything, but I do think it’s something to think about. Like, it seems like the casting decision for this season was made in direct response to the colourism critique given that the Indian girl in question is one of the darker skinned Indian woman anywhere on tv and is definitely the darkest skin woman (or second maybe) of the whole series. So it feels like they were trying to represent as many people as they could with these 3 characters? But I don’t know - maybe specificity would be better. On the other hand, we have a fictional England where presumably slavery doesn’t exist on either side of pond, and colonialism hasn’t somehow abolished the mutual societal respect of hierarchy and ranking between high English and high Indian society so it feels weird on its face too, I guess to me, to hypothesize too much about a fantastical romantic world that simply could have never existed because all modern distinctions are based on history that isn’t shared with the history of the show. I dunno. Im probably overthinking this but you gave me a really interesting set of thoughts to tease out so thank you for that!
Actually, think it's great to learn terms of affection or greeting from different parts of India. Why limit it to one region? If the goal of the show is to expose people to different aspects of Indian culture, then including terms from different regions is wonderful. These are likely terms many would never have known had they not chosen to include them. It's not that it isn't accurate. They never specified a region of India. I see it as inclusive rather than an amalgamation.
I'm sorry this is just like that Pakistani dude in squid game with a Bengali name. It's dehumanizing. Then again it's a kdrama. And kdrama industry is way worse then Hollywood. I say it even tho I love it. But you know what sadly it's still progress and I hope characters in future would be better.
The Good Place does some wonderful color-conscious casting. They casted whoever was best for the role and then made the role around the character, with their own racially and culturally significant and I truly love that and think it should be done more often.
Now that you mention it, they did do a fantastic job with the main cast on that show. I didn’t even realize that when I was watching it because it felt natural like they were characters who were just living their lives (or after-lives rather, lol). It didn’t feel too forced or too relaxed.
The good place did great! Because obviously in 'the good place' races and nations would all be together because its not earth anymore and soul mates could be people from different countries I. E. Ellenor from America and chidi from Australia
@@AN-cr9cy wait i agree so much with the not realizing the diversity, like i wasn’t like i didn’t realize the races of each character, but the show did not seem like it only casted the characters for “diversity points”
Me watching 90s sitcoms - black women in different shades and sizes Me watching recent shows with black women - Light skin and skinny (edit:nothing is wrong with being skinny and a lightskin women. it's just they are currently being represented more in media. Black women are diverse and don't come in one shade or size )
Is it weird that the 90s felt more real. Not only more variation of colour but you had more gay/lesbians on primetime? Teen shows were more than just about fashion...
Someone made a video that compared the non-white characters in the 90s/00s vs now and, ngl, I was kinda surprised to see how bad it got. We're supposed to progress not move backwards :/
@@jamiejosh96 Bruh where did you check because UK black people existed just not very high position in that time but rarely did you think British people wasn't into slavery oops 🙄I meant "servitude" did you think they could wipe their own ass no that would be absurd .
You're literally speaking my mind. I was speaking with my friends today about how Hollywood knows what blackness looks like in men but when it comes to women they start acting stupid. Take for instance all the Black marvel male superheroes, they are all played by unambiguous dark skin BLACK men in their live actions but for storm(who is a darkskin black woman), only BIRACIAL or ambiguous women have played her.
Very true. I'm a big X-men fan and we definitely got a whitewashed storm. Fun fact is that Angela Bassett was originally intended for the role. I forget why she didn't do it but yeah it's very true. Going forward I am hopeful Hollywood will change it. The new Storm should definitely be a dark skinned woman. Anna Diop would be a good choice
I dont exactly agree with this at least not presently. Black panther did a lot for not only highlighting dark skin black women as love interests but also fleshed out, complex and strong characters with Shuri, Nakia and Okoye becoming fan favorites because of the film, we have definitely made progress. Now that is just one movie so we will have to see how this all pans out moving forward.
I recently saw an even more whitewashed version of Storm in a comic (she literally looked like a white woman, she was unrecognizable) I believe there was a video done about it but in older comics she was dark skinned. Her hair and features were still Eurocentric though.
@@dren5810 Yeah true black panther is a good recent example. Hopefully Marvel keep it up. I know black panther had black writers and creators who were aware of the issue, whoever is making the new X men may not be as aware of issues like this but hopefully as Storm is supposed to be half Kenyan and half Black American they won't cast a light skin mixed looking actress to do the role
Marvel didn't make the x-men movies so this isn't right example to infer. Fox made those movies. Marvel hadn't bought fox yet. But I know the phenomenon you're talking about.
@@GoGalaxy he literally didn't lie? she just misunderstood her words because she's so innocent and doesn't understand. also even if he did intentionally lie, that doesn't mean that she allowed by any means to sexually assault him. plus, in the show, she agreed to having no kids with simon in order for the two to get married, so she went back on her word as well. in a much worse way as well
@@GoGalaxy u sure can say they were both in the wrong in different ways but like, simons issues with having children couldve been solved with communication. they showed he wanted kids but didnt feel like he could bc of his hang-ups. sexual assault is not a communication problem! its a fundamental disrespect of someones humanity and bodily autonomy problem! if they were having 0 problems in their relationship and marriage beforehand it still wouldve been wrong. there is no excuse EVER for marital rape. besides, the reason daphne did what she did was she knew that (for reasons she didnt understand, but she knew of it nonetheless) simon was avoiding getting her pregnant. she knew she was violating his boundaries without trying to work out why they existed to begin with.
I'm an Indian woman and this practice of colorism runs sooooooo deep in Bollywood that a bunch of highest paid actresses right now in Bollywood are NOT EVEN Indian. they are mixed or have distant south Asian ancestry, and all of them are light skinned to the point where some of them look whiter than my whitest friends. For example Jacqueline Fernandez, Sunny Leone, Katrina Kaif. There are literally no famous dark-skinned actresses in Bollywood, maaybe you can count Deepika but she's heavily made up in films to look basically white.
I would consider Pryianka to be dark skinned.. but just having her as a sole representative, considering how diverse India is in terms colour is just not enough! I get what you mean. Hopefully it changes in times to come!
As someone who watches not a lot of bollywood at all but still acquainted with it, who the fuck are Jacqueline Fernandez, and Sunny Leone.... LOL But you got a point there.
@@lunazen8661 I wouldn’t count Priyanka as a representative. She was much darker skin before and then when Hollywood started calling she only associated herself with white ppl. Even in the show, she starred in she was a “half American/half Indian” character to appease North American and European viewers because they are more accepting of biracial and light-skinned people from any race 🤷🏽♀️
In no way trying to redeem Simon's father, but I'm really interested in they brush over the fact he was a generation that would have experienced slavery and then aristocracy and was worried about being stripped of his title by a mad king if he didn't have a perfect heir. Not that it makes him sympathetic, but there's motivation there.
In 1813 the British slave trade was continuing in the Caribbean and didn't stop until the mid-to-late 1840s. That's why I couldn't suspend my disbelief to get into this show. Every family in Bridgerton would've been making income from chattel slavery, so this weird utopia where there are Black people in the middle and upper classes and Black servants aren't enslaved people, didn't sit right with me. I found it all so unsettling. I'm also at saturation point with Buffy Syndrome shows about idealised white women who are fawned over by all and sundry.
Yeah I think they really shot themselves in the foot by opening up that “alternate history” explanation of ‘yeah racism did exist but racism ended once Obama became pres- I mean, Charlotte became Queen’ explanation in a one sentence throw away line. If they just went colourblind casting no one would question it, but introducing that bit of worldbuilding and not following through just leaves them to so many questions
@@laurad-l-m814 as said in this video, the dark skin characters represented were stereotypes with no real depth and only embodied archetypes given to us by white media. Some would say “at least they got speaking lines” but I’d beg to differ; them having lines but only playing stereotypes is just as bad as minimal representation because at least there’s no negative connotations of that skin colour being perpetuated.
See, you shout Asians @@laurad-l-m814 and yet they still try to silence you. Just like we fought for rights and because of us, Asians have rights too but they still try to marginalize us. When will we learn to speak up for our people and our ppl alone. There was no dark skinned black women who had a speaking role nor even more than a millisecond on camera. But this girl was only focused on Asians while you’re focused on both and she can’t even be grateful. The audacity.
I've notice the "trend" of always casting lightskin instead of a variety. I would LOVE to see more Asians-not just Asian but just a diverse of complexion.
True! Hollywood is still forgetting Asian people can be dark skinned too, and that Indian people are Asian, and the fact that England colonized India and there were no Indian people in this show is another X
For real, I spent some time in southern India, and was shocked by how dark the people were. The majority of them were darker than most people I know who identify as Black in the united states (including myself). I'm like, where is the representation for these folks? You never see them on TV. There or here. This could have been a perfect opportunity.
@@nanamiharuka3269 because so many people still think asian = only east asia lmaoooo. like i genuinely believe anyone who thought "asian" and didn't immediately default to korea/china/japan are either 1) asian themselves and not from those regions or 2) close with people who're asian but not from those regions.
@@mophead_xu also, while kind of on the topic of East Asians, a lot aren’t as light as the industry portrays them to be. Generally speaking, they usually are a bit lighter in complexion than South Asians. But many can have a darker complexions too. They aren’t all vampires.
@@Nihilist_Porcupine that has a lot to do with the caste system. It’s no coincidence that the people who are lowest on the caste system are dark skinned and usually work horrible jobs. Also take into colorism as well. It’s sad all around
My main problem was closer to the end of the show. The toxic relationship the duke had with his dad was swept quite swiftly and insensitively under the rug. And I’m saying that incredibly nicely. Suddenly, the couple has a baby and he’s apparently over what his dad did to him?? That’s... not how toxic relationships work. Healing from them takes so much longer than that. OH man, I was UPSET at the ending.
@@barbiechyqa9192 I’m hoping that too but I have a gut feeling they won’t with how quickly the issue was resolved. They really made the duke look insensitive just because the main chick wanted a child (along with the fact that it’s EXPECTED for them to have one) and invalidated his trauma. I know someone who has a father whom they’ve disowned and watching that was hard tbh
@@OReily08080 ♥️ My mother used to say it all the time, I've passed it along to my sons, Its definitely one that makes me stop and think before I act, hopefully it does the same for them.
Another thing that these shows refuse to do is cast an unambiguous black couple. The man can be dark skinned, but best believe the woman will be lighter than a brown paper bag; or definitely biracial. Leave it to the media you would think dark skin women, and black couples don't exist. I still watch Living Single...the cast was fire! Your self promotion at the end😂🤣. You got pipes!🤎
I'm rly loving the "you're not responsible for your first thought - society's responsible for that - but you are responsible for your second", coz lately I've really been trying to come to terms with/identify the biases that I have in general, this is rly great advice. Thank you!!💜💜
I thought the same. Lately when I saw cute girls my brain was just like "it's not normal, it's bad" and I felt so bad for thinking that like being homophobic when it comes to myself but maybe it's society and not me
You and me both... Ava Duvernay and Bird Runningwater are currently working on a tv drama. Theres a new one airing right now on CW called trickster. The wilds on Amazon Prime has a second season They cancelled chambers on netflix which I'm still pissed about. I was so exited for ATLA on netflix but I don't know.
Charmedsas1 most of the indigenous movies I know were made for natives by natives, like smoke signals and dance me outside- which are totally not coincidentally both my favourite movies ,:D
@@sea4896 Thanks for these references, I will def check them out. 😂 One of my fav indigenous movie is blood quantum. Also I see what you mean by for us by us. Sovereign is going to have a for native by native as well, but keep in mind that you need producers, the right producers like Ava, cuz she understands that you need to support at a distance. Same with "the body remembers when the world broke open" a lot of indie movies filters thru her production company but she doesn't hover over them, I like that she lets them shine thru her platform.
I swear if I see another medium/dark complexioned man and biracial/light-skinned woman couple in the media 😡😡😡 It’s like they’re using ethnically ambiguous women as a way to check off their diversity box. And the fact that we only see complex and lovable darker women in shows made by Issa Rae or Micaela Cole is just testament to how we are often the only ones holding space for our experiences.
This show was created by Shonda Rhimes a dark skinned woman as well. I generally don't have an issue with her as she has positively portrayed dark skinned and unambiguous Black women in her past shows. But something about this just show rubs me the wrong way. Almost like she tried to check off too many "diversity" boxes without making her Whjte audience totally uncomfortable.
@@Boomboomroomish sorry but I noticed this about shonda long time ago. I honestly think everyone has either not noticed or ignored because she tends to have the main character being a black woman then everyone around her is white
@@Boomboomroomish Shonda is brown, but I wouldn’t consider her dark by any means. And that may be where the disconnect is for her. Because she has a lot of interracial relationships play out on her shows. You rarely, if ever, see two darker-skinned people together. I don’t know if it’s just because she likes the contrast, but it’s noticeable.
I definitely missed any hint that Simon's dad was using the "twice as hard to get half as far" mentality, so to me it just came across as, "Wow, this dad is a jerk just because his son has a stammer. Poor Simon." Also, thank you for bringing up the consent issues! If it had been the opposite scenario where Simon wanted kids and Daphne didn't and he was forcing himself on her, I think it would have been seen more clearly for what it was. We still have work to do as a society with recognizing that men can be victims and women can be perpetrators, though I think it's getting better. 💜
ItzKeisha and Kennie JD are both really awesome too. Kennie’s one of my favorite UA-camrs. She does a lot of commentary videos but also talks about current events as they arise. Keisha (though I haven’t seen some of her most recent videos) talks a lot about news on social media and issues like racism, homophobia&biphobia respectively, and how problematic certain creators are. Highly recommend both of them though
@@nafisablog6408 when Daphne finds out how impregnation works.. she gets on top of Simon and when he tells her to wait repeatedly (nonverbal cues included), she holds him down 😕 his stutter comes back showing he was clearly affected and then we’re supposed to root for the couple after that? No
As a Latina, I agree 100%! I wish I could see myself in shows like this. Instead we get hypersexualized and portrayed as “spicy” and with an attitude. Also I don’t understand the x in “latinx”... did i miss something? In Spanish Latino is the default gender neutral version.
Latinx was originally suppose to be only for non binary people which is like less than 1% of the population but nowadays idk wtf EVERYONE is calling all latinos, latinx because I know quite a few very out and proud latinos that's hate being called latinx. At the end of the day if it's a personal choice of you want to call only non binary people latinx and every one else latino that's your right. It was joked that "latinx" was created by white people (I wouldn't be surprised). LatinOs is for all Latin people men or women, latinx is was suppose to be for just the non binary. I dont say latinx because I personally hate that word. It's as aggravating as afrx (afro) or womyn/womxn (women) 🤢.
apparently trans spanish speaking and indigenous in particular people have tried to tell people to use latine instead of latinx since its just a weird hard pronunciation. which would be more gender neutral than latino as a blanket term since o is masculine in many circumstances, and it might make trans latine people uncomfortable when included and implicitly gendered that way.
It's white people trying to force their "inclusive" terms onto other races without giving a shit about that race and their hisotry, basically (they do that a lot). It's their pat on the back, yay, we did it! If you will.
@@garfieldfatherofdread3043 then what about the the latinos that dont want to be referred to that at all? Just use latinx or e or whatever only for the lgbt community and let the rest of be referred to as Latinos 😂 this was an issue for only non binary in the beginning.
@@Spicy_Spores I am Brazilian, born and raised, and I honestly never saw a problem with the term Latinx bc I thought it was an English way to be inclusive. When I speak Portuguese I still refer to everyone as Latinos, I never thought about it as anyone trying to change our language because they did it in their language. Much like the way they changed the word Brasil to Brazil. But Brazil might be different from other places tho because we take in English words all the time and make it our own. Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t care but that’s just my take on it.
Yes, he consented to having sex with her but consenting to sex and consenting to sex without birth control are definitely not the same thing. Obviously, today we know that pulling out is not an effective method for birth control but we have to consider the context of the show here. Simon made his boundaries clear several times. I agree, he should have explained his reasons for not having children before entering the relationship but it's ultimately his choice if/when/how to tell her and Daphne crossed these boundaries both in the sex scene and when she read his letters. What bothered me most was the dialog that followed the sex scene because Daphne is still portrayed as the innocent, likeable character. It could have been an interesting turning point in which the flaws of her character are revealed...
As a Native woman, I can relate to that feeling of never being able to see someone that looks like you in shows or movies unless they come with extreme stereotypes. Film likes to keep Native people back in the 1800s and doesn't feel the need to put us in any other role, or worst case scenario they cast a white person to play Native roles instead of Native actors (ex: Johnny Depp in Lone Ranger and Taylor Lautner in Twilight). We make up less than 1% of America, but we are still here
I'm genuinely ignorant but, how much of the population are actors? I tried Googling actors because I'm worried about how Netflix is going to cast the Water Tribes in their Avatar: The Last Airbender adaption, I didn't get much results but I'd like to see more representation. I don't want them to be whitewashed, I hope there are aspiring Native actors that are ready to audition. It would be an amazing opportunity for the Native community if Netflix took the initiative to cast them properly as Indigenous people.
Omg. I didnt realise that Taylor Lautner wasn't native American. I'm African. The only time I saw Native American people is on Tik Tok ( I know it's not the best source.) Then I started looking for youtube videos on native Americans and the first things I find is some racist BS with a young white guy spitting on an older Native American man during their peaceful protests.
@@actuallyterry i love that people are sharing our culture on TikTok and it gives other people a chance to learn about us and our cultures. And a lot of people thought Taylor Lautner was native but he’s actually full white lol
This is why we need shows based on books written by and about people of color. Instead of asking for a seat at the table, we need to bring the table and the damn chairs. Period.
@@Kmkmkms Shonda Rhimes is not a dark skinned black women. The two shows you just mentioned by her also seem to have similarities to this one in how they handle diversity. I might be wrong though.
"You are not responsible for your first thought that pops into your mind -- society is ... but you are responsible for your second thought" -- beautiful!!
Khadija, I legit feel like I have known you FOREVER & I just recently subscribed to your channel. I came across your channel from another youtuber who did a "Pretty Privilege" video and the content you put out, the way you deliver your message and provide a different insight based on your knowledge, the research you put in and your life experiences are all A1.. KEEP BEING YOU SIS!!!
It's regressed because its representation and not ownership. What can be given, can be taken away at will. While representation is a wonderful concept and should be pursued, our asking our oppressor to include us means that everything is up to them. And when u give someone the option of including u u also have to understand that you give them the option to exclude u the minute it doesn't work for their purposes.
I was really worried clicking on this video because I did love the show but you made some really great points and critiques in a way that didn't just throw the show in the trash but just acknowledged it's downfalls and biases! also I LOVE your energy! Subscribing!
@@MonaHerSelfM maybe it’s because quite a few people just watch the show and just take it all at face value, not to mention I think this video does a good job if it makes ppl realize the show has issues- like are you good?
I’d so love a show where a partner in a relationship doesn’t want kids and it stays that way. I’m so tired of tv characters giving in to the “social norm” and end up having kids. Wish more tv shows would focus on the childfree lifestyle.
@@extremelynormalperson it's both really. Too many times couples get asked (especially after they've gotten married) when they're going to have kids and then after they have one they get asked when they're going to have another. Women get pressured by mothers to give them grandkids. When people say they don't want kids people tell them "you'll change your mind". It's maddening.
@@akakakakak9 the world is not overpopulated. That's a media hyperbole. We're doing fine homie. And to your point about some not wanting kids, yes that's true, but many are in denial and fill the biological void with anything they can. Hence cat ladies lmao
Someone need to tell Hollywood that just putting one or two Black people in your show doesn’t make your show racially or culturally “diverse”. There are other races that are not just black and white 😒
There shouldnt even be any black or else at start. If it was the contrary y'alk would have scream all over the street "CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN". Stop being hyphocritical
Putting black people in historically inaccurate settings is stupid as well.. you should all be rooting for having movies and series set in your culture's history, and not within historically white settings. I bet most people would win from actually being educated on other people's cultures as well. Even if we're talking about a silly romance or a poor comedy, it doesn't have to be historical. You're all doing it completely wrong and you have to realize this is never going to stop. It's just another way of keeping you away from seeing the real issues in our society. The diversity trend is not helping anyone but the big corporations who end up making all the money, while the average Joe throws his money and complains on the Internet of how unhappy he is with the representation.
@dealzz _ That happend in 18th century ? Yes ? Cuz this is historically false. But, most of series take place nowadays or in the future so there should be every kind of ppl. I wouldnt like a movie about slavery with white slaves because it didnt happend ? So dont act like you don't get my point
The only "eligible" (i.e. YOUNG, beautiful, and worthy of having speaking lines) woman of color is MIXED (I won't even talk about the potential colorism there). All the (white) men wanted to get with her vs the seasoning-challenged Daphne. Yet she STILL ended up being a SINGLE BABY MAMA who became the conniving JEZEBEL trying to ensnare a rich young man when her options were reduced to old men. We have the trifecta: JEZEBEL mixed /blackish woman who got pregnant YOUNG because she was a "fast" girl and she is SINGLE BABY MAMA now. But this is groundbreaking representation...?
@@krenee984 ikr! All I could think about after the wedding was "Wait a sec... this show is about... pulling out?!?!!!!!! 😳💥😂" Now that's groundbreaking!
I couldn't stand how they portrayed her, and the fact she ended up with NO ONE....at least for love. The only woc that was in the main cast had to be made in a disloyal way
@@OReily08080 agreed on both counts! I was so disgusted after I limped across the finish line with it. 😩 This show felt so lazy and uninspired to me. Hopefully they focus elsewhere next season otherwise...hard pass for me!
I watched the pilot with my mom over the holiday and my first thought was “ why are the only dark skin ppl in the background/servants with no lines” the light skin love interest is played out. I’m so glad you made this video!
@@nikkimillionspring3667 exactly Its annoying how it can be shown that dark skinned people can be shown as higher ups but no real importance in the show
Overall, the public’s reaction seems to have been positive. I am just starting this video and interested to see the criticism, but this is the first criticism that I have seen.
I would love to see more of Simon’s auntie, Lady Danbury, beyond being the Duke of Hastings aunt; and more of Eloise - I gather the books go into each siblings’ romance, but I’d love to just see her being sassy and single, maybe get into a profession (it is a fantasy, even if it’s trying to be a bit historical).
So I kind of have a problem with calling Eloise (and her relationship with her best friend) as inherently queer baiting. There are a few reasons for this. I’ve noticed that this is a trend that tends to get mentioned when two same-sex individuals have a close and intimate friendship. But I didn’t really see anything between those two characters that textually read as anything other than a close friendship. People also tend to respond similarly to a man and a woman being intimate friends as well and I’m kind of over it? Why is it that friendships depicted with nuance and complexity and vulnerability have to then be contextualized by others and being romantic or sexual? Another issue I take with it is that I’ve noticed a lot of people remarking that Eloise sort of chaffing at the constraints she’s presented by her family and society is also a marker that she must be queer. This bothers me immensely. I’m sorry but being a woman who is interested expanding your horizons, and doesn’t want to play a part of this weird patriarchal structure doesn’t indicate anything about your sexuality. Any woman regardless of who she was interested in could come to the same conclusion. Likewise, plenty of queer women (myself included) love dresses and balls and jewelry (and like yeah - I’d still want to go to university and read books but that’s kind of my point) and I just find these associations to be extremely limiting. I guess what I’m saying is that there are LOTS of ways to be queer and I feel like we picked up on one of the most stereotypical and decided that that SHOULD be queer even though there’s no real reason why that necessarily has to be the case.
Excellent point. I was looking for someone to say this! Unfortunately there are so few three dimensional depictions of female friendship that any deep frienship is considered "possibly gay"
As a black girl it really made me sad seeing ONLY light skinned girls who look mixed being in the main roles. Like, I’ve always dreamed of the Royal rich princess type of world but they just rubbed the fact that this is the only standard that is accepted into my face.
I understand you. I am most likely not watching it. Hearing the negative things from this video and a few articles I read are turning me off to watch it
Brandy played a great Cinderella back in the day. I think they are using more Mixed people now is because that is the new norm now. That's who you see being created these days.
I was surprised to know that the Queen portrayed was real. She was England's first mixed race queen. And there were mixed people in British monarchy, and also in their entertainment...ie Beethoven. Ie Shakespear and some of his characters. So, I thought of bridgerton as less like colorblind casting than somewhat realistic. But I honestly don't care because why do we even want to be so integrated into EUROPEAN history or fantasy? Why do they have to do that shit? Why not just make a movie about the black bourgier in America? They do exist. Asians in their original cultural settings? Ming Dynasty anyone? There are plenty of historical contexts that haven't been explored yet. Btw, Asians are over 50% of the world population. They have their own homogenous countries with full media industries. Hell, I watch so many Asian dramas on Netflix. So honestly, yall, just stfu and enjoy. Dont like not being included in European period dramas? Don't put it on a pedestal and embrace your own cultural stories. But you know, im just a girl a little irritated with virtue signaling after the 50, 60s, 70s and 80s and 90s where black roles and full shows and movies clearly existed and made money. Marvin Van Peebles anyone? There's plenty of shows on Netflix with dark skinned main roles. Hell, Scandal had a whole dark skinned black woman. But whatever, just forget all that shit huh? At least she mentioned Living single. Like Martin, Jamie Foxx, the Cools, the Cosby, Urkle weren't all playing on networks at the same damn time.
idk id love to see a move set in an african country with darkskinned african princesses and kings..that would be so much better, an all black historically accurate cast...no need to try and fit them in into white stories...make ariel a black person and such, randomly add black people just for diversity's sake...
If the producers wanted it to be historically accurate, they should not have promised diversity. But if this was a fantasy world, they really did an awful job by not following through on the diversity they promised.
I didn’t realize this was a fantasy world building type show & so I was so confused at seeing that there was black people in such high class roles especially in the 1800s (sorry if I sound ignorant)
@@mozzytrainer nah I get what you’re saying. I didn’t realize it was supposed to be fantasy either until watching this video. If it was more like a documentary, I would’ve loved it if they would’ve explored the experiences of black men and women of that era in England and told their stories, instead of pretending like race was irrelevant. It felt really lazy, honestly.
And if it's supposed to be "historically accurate" and that means there will be a dearth of Black characters, then that story probably doesn't need to be told!
What. Size:big medium skinny was shown Diversity: light skin. Dark skin, medium toned ? Just because there wasn't a bunch of hispanics and asians doesn't mean it wasn't diverse. Asians and hispanics weren't apart of the victorian era where the story is based. And the story us based off a book. Write one?
I can tell you why those black shows disappeared. They started redirecting black viewership to shows like Love & Hip Hop, Real Housewives and Basketball wives. They replaced the sitcoms. If you notice, Girlfriends was the last one we had for a good while
@@koinoyokan3155 Friends was globally dominant on television in the 90's/00's yet portrayed 5 white main characters. Set in New York one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. I think there was one (main) black character in 10 seasons.
Me (has never watched Khadija): Oh, I'm excited to watch this video, I can't wait to hear this show get torn apart even more Khadija: Nieces, nephews, and niblings Me: 🥺(as the kids would put it, /pos)
I think also another creepy thing in the show that isn't addressed is the fact that Simon lowkey takes advantage of Daphne (although yes she does the same), but I find it quite creepy that he kinda knew that she didn't know anything about sex but had her do it with him when she was clearly uneducated in the topic. It's honestly something that reflects to real life as well, with so many women uneducated when it comes to sex ed, they almost always get taken advantage of when it comes to their first time. Also some may argue that Simon thought she knew cuz he said that, but he knew she's never even touched herself and taught her about that, so he clearly did know that she wasn't educated on this. Anyways, I just think its a bit creepy
This thing had me questioning if women really knew that little about sex... Like I know it wasn't meant to be historically accurate but damn Daphne really had no idea what sex was and yet she was married and expected to have sex
@@shirleytatha8189 well i assume at that time sex was a very foreign topic among girls of Daphne's class and was frowned upon to engage in out of marriage so I don't think sheltered rich privileged girls like Daphne knew anything about sex until the time came for them to know.
i thought it was irresponsible for daphne's mother not to tell her anything about sex and was still very hesitant to tell her on the night of her wedding just about before she left for her honeymoon, simon would have very well be abusive and have forceful sex with daphne causing her to misinterpret the meaning of sex if it came down that.
To be honest that was how it was. My parents grew up when there wasn’t sex ed at schools and people don’t talk about it with their parents then either. So I asked my mum and apparently they only learned about it when one of her friends got married and told their group.
I don't think they understand that having light-skinned characters isn't providing black representation: it's just lip service. It's a gesture that allows them to check the diversity box while keeping casting as white as possible.
I'm sorry but do you not see how entitled you sound? "Yeah these characters are black, but they're not black enough." I mean what? Critique the plot and lack of actual discussion of social issues all you want, but does everything have to be about skin colour?
So here’s what happened to all these Black shows. They were all made, primarily on the BET network. At the time BET was owned by a black man, it was the first black networking channel and by the early 2000’s BET was under new management. White management for a Black entertainment channel. Anyway they basically just cancelled all the shows that were making the network money. Girlfriends, living single, half & half etc
As a POC, I would actually love more original historical series about people of color... all color... any color, based off either their own histories or complete fantasy. Like what BOTHERED me about this "colorblind" (not really) cast in Bridgerton is... does the story HAVE to be based off white history? Couldn't they create an ACTUAL fantasy world and not lift off of any stereotypically white history? Or a romance based on actual black history, or latin american history, or Asian history. There are ENOUGH shows about this kind of romance/theme. This is what confuses me about POC wanting to show themselves and their cultures are equally important as white history, but we're just going to insert ourselves into white historical drama??!? Are our histories not rich and beautiful? I love Jane Austen and actually I read my first Bridgerton book probably 10+ years ago, but as a POC I've never wanted to put myself in their shoes like how the Asian woman said, to me, it just doesn't work. My culture and values don't match and I'm sure if I saw a main character that looked like me (South Asian) in this show I'd just find it hilariously dumb because the thing is, I am more than the color of my skin, I have a whole culture and history which absolutely doesn't fit with this story and I don't think I'd enjoy it if they tried to explain why I was there (the king's son is dating a brown chick woot). I watch shows for escapism, so if that was their goal with Bridgerton they did a really bad job of it, because at the end of the day, I agree with your point. It was painfully obvious what they were trying to do with the cast, it felt very performative and it didn't have that "artless" feel that you would imagine from something that is supposed to be purely fantastical. If they removed that explanations, and maybe made the entire world feel like a different world altogether (like for example, maybe change the name of the country, and not name characters based off actual historical monarchs) but kept everything else the same except these minor details (and more TASTEFUL POC inclusion) then I probably would have enjoyed it. As it stands, it just felt like they were trying to tick boxes "okay we got 2 asians in this shot, lets sprinkle about 6 black people over here, oh we haven't reached our hispanic quota! Someone go find someone to fit this empty space here"
This comment is so underrated. I study hispanic literature but bc I'm also mexican we also study Indigenous literature (and I'm part of a community tlaxcalteca) and it makes me so mad that we are invisible. Mexico is one of the most diverse countries because there are tons of Indigenous communities. But our stories never get the chance to be told by ourselves, it seems like we only exist as a country below the US that only has immigrants, drugs, stereotypical hot woman and the only role we can play is narcotraficante or poor people. Even when Coco came out they mixed cultures (mixteca, Tarahumara, nahua and then put mariachis) and misinterpreted the true vision of día de muertos and they don't let communities shine really. I don't want someone from other country to tell my story from their point of view and I don't want to be included in a lame role. I want the opportunity to tell my own stories from my people.
We can't really expect white writers/directors to go out of their way to write about black, latin, or asian culture. That's up to us. The inclusive nature of the cast was already extraordinary.
You said everything that was in my mind about the show. From the queer baiting to the colourism to the having dark skinned extra as props. You said everything on my mind
It’s definitely odd that even with Colorism being a more and more well recognized problem in society Hollywood and the media industry has decided to double down for some reason
Because they don't want it to change the second that more people of color it won't be appealing to the masses but the movie black panther and spirder verse should be a learning point for hollywood like movies like these will sell and do extremely well
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Not the white man who thinks he has something to say on race and class from a unique perspective.
When Chris (or any wealthy white man for that matter) says “topics that are relevant and important” it’s a subtle way to say: topics that SELL and will get me famous at the expense of underserved or historically oppressed people, it’s more exploitation and nothing else.
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@@etorresrodz Deadass "a topic I just found out about and is cool"
Tee Noir gave you a shout out and that introduced me to your channel. You are as gorgeous as she says.😍😘💕. I came because of Tee but I stayed because of your personality and energy.
I would be interested in colorism within lgbt relationships (it’s something I’ve noticed watching BLs, GLs, reading lgbt book, etc. The more masculine person is always darker and the lighter person is almost always light skinned and “soft/feminine” or if the darker skinned person is the “bottom” (if you’re talking about BLs or gay/bi men in books), he’s hyper sexual.
This video is so good. I'm a white girl and I learned a lot from it. It's a shame that many of these things were not obvious to me before so thank you so much for that change in perspective. It's easy to forget how privileged I am that I see so many people in movies or shows who look like myself. It really matters what we see and how it's presented. I write fantasy stories and I always try to be open minded and have diverse characters. That sentence "you have to work twice to get half" really hit me because I never thought about it, I never needed to and it makes me hate our unfair society so much. It's similar to women and men. When you belong to the privileged group you don't need to think about the not-privileged group. I hope we can change that
I can relate to that. My compatriots brainwashed a ton of foreigners into believing that we were a diverse utopia when in reality, we were culpable (and still are) of the same crap as the Brits, with the only differences being lack of accountability and the location where it all happened.
Also, your video on toxic masculinity really opened my eyes and has made question more about it and empathize with how men are so we can get a better understanding. Thanks.
im also VERY tired of people thinking if they add a few black ppl to a show theyre diverse, i NEVER see middle eastern/north african represantation in american shows
Marina was my favorite character. I loved when she was in the street was saying how she sees hard-working people. I love how she was strong in her love. I was sooo disappointed in her ending.
@Glory Vaudan It should also be said that Marina tried to trap a naive guy into marriage only for her own interest and reputation. I understand her on one side, but on the other, she completely deceived and lied to this guy (Colin I think his name was). She only wanted to marry him to hide her 'early' pregnancy and then wanted to trap Colin into raising a child that wasn't his, but having to do so because if word came out that he wasn't the father their marriage and reputation (as well as the family's and the baby's reputation) would be ruined. I love her character and she deserved wayyy better, and Penelope started to suck when she outed Marina like that, but she did some really wrong and questionable things as well.
Just to point that the sentence "You're not responsible of your first thought but you are for the second one" is something a friend told me around six month ago and in this six month my work on myself became so much healthier and faster. Even unconsciously, it really hit home and help with all the culpability to place it in energy of reconstruction. Sorry for my bad english I'm not a native speaker so maybe it's not clear btw.
I was listening to this, and the Asian woman talk about reading Jane Austen and it occurred to me- more Asian kids in America probably know more about English Literature than white kids, and certainly in terms of fraction if each population.
I would like to say that POC academic overcompensation is very common. I never had to read a traditional high school novel, like Wuthering Heights?? The Great Gatsby. Though I read these type of novels in my free time to compensate for blackness in education and academics. Gothic Literature, and of Traditional Literature is something POC will commonly read as a compensation for race when it comes to education. Or so it has been in my experience.
@@jalynnknight9653 that is fascinating. I’d say the only “classic” I had to read in school was “To Kill A Mocking Bird”, really started my love of reading. But damn if Harper Lee didn’t keep her mouth shut for DECADES only to murder that book and its characters in the lost heartbreaking way... she ruined me first love of literature. But for POC I wish they knew that white people don’t view this old English literature as much of anything special... its mostly just what got published because the authors came from nobility and aristocracy, its what survived, and so it has picked over countless time for “interpretation” and lazy lesson plans. We don’t see this as our “heritage” (because frankly if our ancestors ended up here they were unlikely to be any nobility), we see it as a but if history from another country, usually with lives and dramas we find silly snd unrelateblr un k
@@ArealMrsSmith its interesting that americans think like that, i'm white english and iv pretty much always classed the classics as my heritage, though that might be swayed by the the fact im directly related to one of them (elizabeth gaskell if you're interested) so its literally in my family history, still though I think of a lot of that kind of stuff as heritage outside of family ties
Yes! Throughout my life, I felt the need to be extremely good with English as a whole. I edited papers for other people, read all the classic English literature I could, and overly corrected my pronunciation. I don't even like to read, but it was like this incessant need to be accepted into white society pushed on me. The stereotype that Asians are always extremely good academically probably also played into this for me. Yes we have pressure from our families and maybe our backgrounds, but I saw a higher expectation from teachers or a discredit to my hard work with an "of course you got the highest grade in class, you're Asian."
People are all mad that the costumes arent accurate in IG but that's all they seem to care abt over there. Of course 19th century england fans tend to not be particularly conscious about any social issues...
@@verybarebones Right! I was like "there's not a single dark skin person on this show who is under the age of 35". Plus, I wanted an escapist show where race doesn't exist. Finding how they know what race is half way through the show totally ruined it for me, because it made it clear it's not a perfect world but one that just chooses not to acknowledge it's problems.
watching this with the context of season 2 and queen charlotte is interesting. i think a big part to remember is that this was created by a white guy and that queen charlotte isn’t. also it’s important to remember that it’s a book adaptation that initially didn’t have any or less diversity (idk for sure, but i know simon was white) trying to make it modern, but try to keep it to the books is hard. queen charlotte made a lot of progress
Casting directors: we need a black guy, make him light Also in Hollywood: they want a black main character for Disney; make them into an animal half to majority of movie
@@user-wd8xk6bw1z it's better than Princess and the Frog but he literally becomes a cat for a third of the movie and spends another third being a spirit.
I remember reading something about Disney characters, that not a lot of people like how when it comes to black characters, they'll turn into an animal or a soul for half of the movie. And the reason is because, it looks like they can't live a normal life, unlike the white characters. This is just something that I've read.
I want to recommend a series that is not very well known and that I really liked how it shows various social problems, including racism, at the beginning of the 20th century in New York. The series is called The knick. I am a new subscriber to your channel. Your videos are informative, respectful and the amount of humor you add makes them even more enjoyable! greetings from Argentina
To be honest, I don't know why they don't make a historical drama that accurately represents black people in the UK during that period. We don't need a colourblind cast. There were MANY black people in the UK during the 17th and 18th century. I loved the show Sanditon because it showed a wealthy black girl in the UK during that period and was very realistic. It's a shame that it wasn't popular enough to be renewed but her character was well written!
I referenced sanditon to my mom as we were talking about how bridgerton was overly trying to heard they missed the point of misrepresentation😬 Sanditon is a good comparison
@@hi-ve1cw How is it a slight exaggeration? Firstly I'm talking about the UK, not Europe. Secondly, there were enough black people in the UK during that period for it to be noticeable especially in large cities. Many worked as low paid servants to the wealthy or in the navy and army. There were even efforts to send British black people to countries in Africa as the number of impoverishing black people in cities had become so high.
OH MY GOD I HAD NO IDEA MY FAVORITE UA-camR WAS ALSO A BLACK OPERA SINGER!! 😱😱💖💜 I'm a Black soprano coloratura myself, and let me tell you, Black opera singers - especially Black AFAB opera singers - are RARE AS HELL‼️ Granted, I'm a trans man, so my voice is changing and I'm more of a tenor these days, but I've been training almost every day so I can keep my old soprano range 😊 @Khadija Mbowe, please please PLEASE post a video to your channel of a full opera performance - it would mean the world to me to see another Black soprano out here being a bad b*tch on the internet 🥺💖💜
@@Arabic4Beautiful Still like the show and was fun storyline that was enjoyable so I still recommend watching. I just wish they wouldn't try and fake claim inclusivity and breaking barriers. With the new leading lady for season 2 being cast as a darker skin fully South Asian women I am happy about that and them maybe taking the criticism to heart.
@@lenab.m.3708 Oh wow!! I didn't know Lady Bridgeton was real! Please point me to where in the history books you found this story I'm so interested! Like wow since this is all based in reality and so real I want to read more about how the Duke of Hastings and Daphne changed history. Thank you sooo much Lena for enlightening me that the fiction novel Bridgeton TV adaptation is actually based on reality so everything must be so real and accurate!
I'm a 40-year-old white woman from Poland and I've recently discovered your channel. I'm listening to your essays and they really make me think. In my country almost everybody is white. We have a few minorities but they are fair skin toned, however, prejudice against them can sometimes be strong. It's rooted in history to as it often is... Thank you for that bit when you talked about being responsible for the*second* thought you have about someone and the actions for take afterwards. Best regards!
I don’t think you can compare the history of Poland, which has been through very hard times and been oppressed, to the history of the UK and the USA which have always been the oppressors. Don’t put down Poland when it has nothing to do with western history.
@@k.c7655 I do not have the impression that she is comparing Poland's history with "Western" (European) history, but with the current situation and the behaviour of a white majority towards one or more minorities. In the case of Poland, it is not about race, colonialism or imperialism, but about a very right-wing fundamental religious party that is not only turning the country into an illiberal democracy by giving the government control over the judiciary and media, but also against LGBTQ rights, foreigners and refugees. I could not detect any value judgement or comparison of these quite different narratives in her comment. PS: Poland is definitely linked to "Western" history, but that always depends on how you define the terms and which time you look at.
@@prof.jacques_xcix3558 I just don’t understand why she mentioned history when Poland has never had a history of oppressing minorities? In the present it might be true, but in the past? The only thing I can think of is Hitler who sent polish Jews to concentration camps, but he himself wasn’t polish...
@@k.c7655 In general, I always find it difficult to equate the oppression of one with the oppression of the other, because in doing so one forgets the individual context and one very quickly infers a less bad past, which can, however, lead to very similar complex consequences in the present. Now what she said is and I quote "prejudice against them can sometimes be strong. It's rooted in history to as it often is". I have to admit that I am not an expert on Polish history, but I can still give you an example of such Polish oppression, which is even deliberately taken up by the ruling party today, and I think that is also what the comment refers to. A long-time companion of the PiS leader wrote on his Facebook page at the end of 2015 that Kaczyński wanted to follow in the footsteps of Marshal Józef Piłsudski, who ruled Poland quasi-dictatorially from 1926 to 1935. In fact, PiS has placed its current policies under the headings of "rehabilitation of the state" and "recovery of society". This was precisely the core of Piłsudski's ideology, whose movement called itself "Sanacja" (healing) and was dedicated to the recovery of the nation. In 1934, the government set up an internment camp for Ukrainian nationalists, communists and other prominent opponents of the regime. The trend towards an authoritarian state continued to intensify; the rights of the Slavic minorities were massively restricted, and Jews were discriminated. The German minority, which was secretly supported financially by the Nazi state, also had its rights increasingly restricted, despite the officially good German-Polish relations since the non-aggression treaty between Hitler and Piłsudski, to which the growing enthusiasm of many of the ethnic Germans for National Socialism also contributed. I think this example shows very clearly how the past and their different perceptions often overlap. So when the Polish government fuels hatred towards foreigners today by using the same narratives as in the 1930s, we see exactly such an analogy and the reason for us to reflect on such statements and thinking.
Yeah I remember a lot of these points kinda bothering me when I was watching it, and then we got to the whole reproductive coercion thing and I just completely tapped out at that point
I really liked Bridgerton but felt the way they addressed race (in one scene, like half way through the season) was pretty iffy. However I didn’t pick up on the colorism, stereotypes, and had no idea the show runner even set out to address issues of race/sexuality/gender because it didn’t really happen. Your video gave me a lot to think about so thank you (: I think this shows we need as much representation behind the screen, as writers and such, as we do on the screen, because Bridgerton definitely felt like a white person doing their best (??) to do representation without any real insight into racialized experiences
Yeah that's what i was thinking too. Bc then they would be creating a 'utopia' of sorts - like - this is how the world would be, if people saw past each others' skin colours and were treated equally. I was hoping as the show went on, that would be the case but they went there like every other show...and it isn't unique. It could've been a unique take on society.
It was just confusing. Because there aren't any signs to let the audience know that there even IS an issue. No visual cues and with this particular medium even indirect things like the looks people give can be easily done. But nah. It came out of nowhere. It seems like the creators wanted to have their cake and it it too.
I deadass thought we were making jokes when you talked about them getting an opera singer in there then your video popped up and my face dropped. You better SAAANG
@@nameless568 because it’s two different thing imagine trying to get a cats attention and your just like “animal animal animal” poc is just really broad so you would say cat so you could be direct. yk?
@@nameless568 Because you wouldn't walk into the flower shop and just ask for flowers, you call them by name. That, and because for me personally, I experience racism as a black person from other non black POC, so sometimes uniting under the banner of POC is a lot harder than it needs to be.
ok but how wise was it to cast slave owners as black people tho..... in a lot of ways hamilton did a lot of damage in terms of considering the actual legacy of the founding fathers. also the fandom is batshit
Ashleen Akkal down in the comments said it best. The way that I didn't even question the lack of latinx/hispanic representation despite being Mexican.... says enough.
An interesting phenomenon remains that younger “black” representation in media tends to be light skin / biracial actresses.while when there is a need for an older actress they immediately can find darker skinned actresses
well, let's keep it straight here: black is black. Not all black people, even in the motherland, are on the dark end of the spectrum. One can have issue with colorism while not treating lighter skinned and biracial people like they're "off-brand black" or something, especially when we consider that _colorism isn't even exclusive to light skins who are pale asf!_ Donald Glover benefits from Colorism and he's not even light!
@@chillin5703 ummm that’s not what my point is. I’ll still maintain that there is a huge saturation of ONE type of black woman that is consistently shown in media
@@chillin5703 you mentioned something about off brand black to make this clear biracial is not black. There are light skin black people because we come in different shades ofc but light skin black people are different from bi-racial. The issue is not that we have a problem with bi-racial people or light skin black people but it's that they are mostly only casting light skin black or biracial people. to bind the two as if there are no differences Is the issue. Why combine the two and say "here this will shut them up" when we can have a representation of both. We can't do that if we don't acknowledge that the two are different (there is nothing wrong with being bi-racial, own it) . (the only people that benefit from having a little to no representation is white people, of course they would give us the two in one by killing two birds with one stone) also could you elaborate on donald glover benefitting from colorism cuz...🤔
@@kaiworld5215 this is the dumbest stuff. How do you think light skin black people came into existence? A significant amount of light skinned black people in the US are so because of mixed ancestry, whose results are often indistinguishable from being "mixed" proper (genetically, physically, whatever else). Infact, having "mixed ancestry" might make one more mixed up than a "properly" bi-racial person. Malcolm X had light skin and red hair. Red hair is recessive, that means both of his parents had to carry a copy of the gene. This man was mixed asf. Get out of here with this, because im sure a massive portion of the "black" Americans who hold this position would be themselves considered "mixed" by ghanians or nigerians or latin americans. If a bi-racial choses not to identify with "black", that's their choice. But propping up these weird gatekeeps for those who share in so many struggles, rooted in the same theory of race, is unproductive.
i resonated so hard with the lady from the conversation you linked / used for this video. i am southeast asian and i cannot describe how much i love regency / period literary works, tv series, and film pieces. i grew up loving jane austen novels, i've watched downton abbey in an unhealthy amount of times, and i've critiqued every period films to know which one i liked best. and because i love it SO much, i've always longed for my race to be represented so that i may "live vicariously through [them]" as eloise bridgerton would've said. upon the announcement of henry golding joining the cast of netflix's adaptation of persuasion, i thought "WOW, finally a regency era male lead of a southeast asian descent!" but apparently he isnt the male lead but the insufferable cousin of the female lead. DISAPPOINTED but i guess i'll take it. it's the closest we could get any asian to star in a period drama. i have high hopes for the next seasons of bridgerton now that they casted south asians as a female lead. i hope they will include more asians with speaking lines in the future.
The audacity of roasting a show for half an hour and including an audition tape in the end, girl I love you so much
It was less of a roasting and more of a constructive criticism of the faults of the show but yea that part at the end KILLED me
@@miakamara6308 no i totally agree, it was just a joke I also think it was very constructive :)
Audacious af and I love it!
@@dariusedmund5620 are talking about me? How did you even conclude that? Lol
@@juliakimaro959 I came here b/c I got an alert that someone made a comment, but I was super confused b/c what does "east African ancestry" have anything to do w/my comment? But after reading through everything, I'm even more confused as to how your ancestry has anything to do with your comment???
I think its really odd that colourism has gotten WORSE over the years. Like how tf was the 90s/early 2000s more diverse with their casting 😭
There were way more representation back then even in cartoons :(
@@xoliyah6553 ikr like the boondocks I'd say proud family but that show doesn't have good darksking representation
RIGHTT it’s shameful
With kids' shows like Little Bill, That's So Raven, and the Proud Family were some, but I'm not sure there are as many shows now that embrace different shades and put POC characters at the forefront. It might just be because I don't watch much TV anymore, though, but it's definitely something I noticed.
Actually it was just as worse as it was back then. I remember seeing a video and it was about Jet magazine and their cover photos and it was all light skinned women or talking about why black men should marry Asian women. It was weird
The way I didn't even question there not being any Asians... despite being Asian. It's just SO normal to not see anyone like me (especially being south Asian).
I was looking for this comment! I even searched the back of scenes at the extras but literally not a single Asian person 🙄
I hope they will respond to all of this in future sessions
Not saying you're wrong, but there are period pieces for Asians though, right? I always thought Bridgerton tried including Black representation outside of the "real life" period pieces that focus on trauma. Whereas other POC don't share that experience of no representation outside of trauma.
i'm talking ab Bridgerton in particular, im arab (Palestinian) and would love to see more representation of my ppl that doesn't include being terrorists lol so i def agree but just wanted to include another perspective on why the only poc in Bridgerton are black
@@sabrinanaser9327 Maybe for East Asians? I haven't seen any but as far as I know, there isn't a lot. If the intention of the show was to create Black representation that doesn't focus on trauma, then it makes sense that there weren't any Asians. As a South Asian we have almost no positive representation in mainstream media and I'm not sure if there are period pieces involving South Asians at all. I'm Indian and I can't think of a single show where there are Indian characters who are likable and complex, rather than the usual unattractive nerd. However, I totally get why we might not see Asians in Bridgerton specifically.
Lady Granville is an Indian woman
The way Bridgerton just mixed up different regional cultures in India as 'Indian'. Them being from Bombay, speaking Marathi, but also using 'appa' (a South Indian word) with didi (Hindi) and Bon (bengali). And as a Bengali living in North India all my life i recognise that isn't accurate. They take random bits of aesthetically pleasing representation and just amalgamate it into 'indian girl'.
Yeah… I dunno. I see it differently? Like, when I watched Black Panther (I’m black) I noticed that they have shit from all over the continent mixed in. On the one hand, sure it’s not specific. But in the other, I genuinely wonder if idiosyncratic specificity actually can be more representative than one single specific type of person? For example, on the continent on Africa there are of course thousands of cultures and languages and traditions and so no one movie could ever represent them all with any depth. So if you can’t do that (if there just isn’t the time or space to do it), is pulling out specifics from different parts of the area you’re trying to represent potentially a better way to allow people to see themselves in a set of characters then getting one very specific region and culture exactly right?
I’m not 100% convinced that that’s the case or anything, but I do think it’s something to think about. Like, it seems like the casting decision for this season was made in direct response to the colourism critique given that the Indian girl in question is one of the darker skinned Indian woman anywhere on tv and is definitely the darkest skin woman (or second maybe) of the whole series. So it feels like they were trying to represent as many people as they could with these 3 characters? But I don’t know - maybe specificity would be better. On the other hand, we have a fictional England where presumably slavery doesn’t exist on either side of pond, and colonialism hasn’t somehow abolished the mutual societal respect of hierarchy and ranking between high English and high Indian society so it feels weird on its face too, I guess to me, to hypothesize too much about a fantastical romantic world that simply could have never existed because all modern distinctions are based on history that isn’t shared with the history of the show.
I dunno. Im probably overthinking this but you gave me a really interesting set of thoughts to tease out so thank you for that!
Actually, think it's great to learn terms of affection or greeting from different parts of India. Why limit it to one region? If the goal of the show is to expose people to different aspects of Indian culture, then including terms from different regions is wonderful. These are likely terms many would never have known had they not chosen to include them. It's not that it isn't accurate. They never specified a region of India. I see it as inclusive rather than an amalgamation.
@@annbrown9273 they say they are from Shri Lanka. Does a south Indian person think the same
I'm sorry this is just like that Pakistani dude in squid game with a Bengali name. It's dehumanizing. Then again it's a kdrama. And kdrama industry is way worse then Hollywood. I say it even tho I love it. But you know what sadly it's still progress and I hope characters in future would be better.
@@sakuranovaryan9261 Ali is a bengali name?
The Good Place does some wonderful color-conscious casting. They casted whoever was best for the role and then made the role around the character, with their own racially and culturally significant and I truly love that and think it should be done more often.
Now that you mention it, they did do a fantastic job with the main cast on that show. I didn’t even realize that when I was watching it because it felt natural like they were characters who were just living their lives (or after-lives rather, lol). It didn’t feel too forced or too relaxed.
@@AN-cr9cy same!!
AGREE! I watched bridgerton just as I was wrapping up the last season of TGP, and had very similar thoughts.
The good place did great! Because obviously in 'the good place' races and nations would all be together because its not earth anymore and soul mates could be people from different countries I. E. Ellenor from America and chidi from Australia
@@AN-cr9cy wait i agree so much with the not realizing the diversity, like i wasn’t like i didn’t realize the races of each character, but the show did not seem like it only casted the characters for “diversity points”
Me watching 90s sitcoms - black women in different shades and sizes
Me watching recent shows with black women - Light skin and skinny (edit:nothing is wrong with being skinny and a lightskin women. it's just they are currently being represented more in media. Black women are diverse and don't come in one shade or size )
Omg. Seriously this needs to be addressed more.
Damn right! I just came to the comments to see if anyone had an answer to why is that happening!
Is it weird that the 90s felt more real. Not only more variation of colour but you had more gay/lesbians on primetime? Teen shows were more than just about fashion...
@@evepize3211 yeah, and like actual butch lesbians lol. Not the glamorized lipstick lesbian, like that's the only representation on tv now...
Someone made a video that compared the non-white characters in the 90s/00s vs now and, ngl, I was kinda surprised to see how bad it got. We're supposed to progress not move backwards :/
"Mom, can we get diversity and representation?"
Mom: We have diversity and representation at home.
Diversity and representation at home:
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Fuuuck haha
I will never get tired of this meme format
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WHEN will people realize adding ONE black person into a show ISN'T diversity?
Last time I check there was little to no black people in the uk when Bridgerton is based, so it’s just unrealistic and nonsensical
@@jamiejosh96 Did you miss the plethora of black people in the background? I think it's pretty obvious they weren't going for realism. Ffs
Nope… but adding a blk bull to your bedroom activities with your Barbie wife is 😂
@@jamiejosh96 The education you got in school is actually incomplete…. For a reason.
@@jamiejosh96 Bruh where did you check because UK black people existed just not very high position in that time but rarely did you think British people wasn't into slavery oops 🙄I meant "servitude" did you think they could wipe their own ass no that would be absurd .
You're literally speaking my mind. I was speaking with my friends today about how Hollywood knows what blackness looks like in men but when it comes to women they start acting stupid. Take for instance all the Black marvel male superheroes, they are all played by unambiguous dark skin BLACK men in their live actions but for storm(who is a darkskin black woman), only BIRACIAL or ambiguous women have played her.
Very true. I'm a big X-men fan and we definitely got a whitewashed storm. Fun fact is that Angela Bassett was originally intended for the role. I forget why she didn't do it but yeah it's very true. Going forward I am hopeful Hollywood will change it. The new Storm should definitely be a dark skinned woman. Anna Diop would be a good choice
I dont exactly agree with this at least not presently. Black panther did a lot for not only highlighting dark skin black women as love interests but also fleshed out, complex and strong characters with Shuri, Nakia and Okoye becoming fan favorites because of the film, we have definitely made progress. Now that is just one movie so we will have to see how this all pans out moving forward.
I recently saw an even more whitewashed version of Storm in a comic (she literally looked like a white woman, she was unrecognizable) I believe there was a video done about it but in older comics she was dark skinned. Her hair and features were still Eurocentric though.
@@dren5810 Yeah true black panther is a good recent example. Hopefully Marvel keep it up. I know black panther had black writers and creators who were aware of the issue, whoever is making the new X men may not be as aware of issues like this but hopefully as Storm is supposed to be half Kenyan and half Black American they won't cast a light skin mixed looking actress to do the role
Marvel didn't make the x-men movies so this isn't right example to infer. Fox made those movies. Marvel hadn't bought fox yet.
But I know the phenomenon you're talking about.
If your partner doesn't want kids please respect that and don't force yourselves on them please and thank you.
**LOOKS DIRECTLY AT DAPHNE**
@@GoGalaxy They didnt have kids..?
I got non consensual vibes from this
@@GoGalaxy he literally didn't lie? she just misunderstood her words because she's so innocent and doesn't understand. also even if he did intentionally lie, that doesn't mean that she allowed by any means to sexually assault him. plus, in the show, she agreed to having no kids with simon in order for the two to get married, so she went back on her word as well. in a much worse way as well
I don't know what's worse, Daphne doing it or the show just glossing over it.
@@GoGalaxy u sure can say they were both in the wrong in different ways but like, simons issues with having children couldve been solved with communication. they showed he wanted kids but didnt feel like he could bc of his hang-ups. sexual assault is not a communication problem! its a fundamental disrespect of someones humanity and bodily autonomy problem! if they were having 0 problems in their relationship and marriage beforehand it still wouldve been wrong. there is no excuse EVER for marital rape. besides, the reason daphne did what she did was she knew that (for reasons she didnt understand, but she knew of it nonetheless) simon was avoiding getting her pregnant. she knew she was violating his boundaries without trying to work out why they existed to begin with.
I'm an Indian woman and this practice of colorism runs sooooooo deep in Bollywood that a bunch of highest paid actresses right now in Bollywood are NOT EVEN Indian. they are mixed or have distant south Asian ancestry, and all of them are light skinned to the point where some of them look whiter than my whitest friends. For example Jacqueline Fernandez, Sunny Leone, Katrina Kaif. There are literally no famous dark-skinned actresses in Bollywood, maaybe you can count Deepika but she's heavily made up in films to look basically white.
So true.
It doesn't matter if they can act or even speak Hindi. All that matters is that they are light skinned and skinny. That's it. It's just sad.
I would consider Pryianka to be dark skinned.. but just having her as a sole representative, considering how diverse India is in terms colour is just not enough! I get what you mean. Hopefully it changes in times to come!
As someone who watches not a lot of bollywood at all but still acquainted with it, who the fuck are Jacqueline Fernandez, and Sunny Leone.... LOL
But you got a point there.
@@lunazen8661 I wouldn’t count Priyanka as a representative. She was much darker skin before and then when Hollywood started calling she only associated herself with white ppl. Even in the show, she starred in she was a “half American/half Indian” character to appease North American and European viewers because they are more accepting of biracial and light-skinned people from any race 🤷🏽♀️
In no way trying to redeem Simon's father, but I'm really interested in they brush over the fact he was a generation that would have experienced slavery and then aristocracy and was worried about being stripped of his title by a mad king if he didn't have a perfect heir. Not that it makes him sympathetic, but there's motivation there.
That could’ve been interesting to explore!
In 1813 the British slave trade was continuing in the Caribbean and didn't stop until the mid-to-late 1840s. That's why I couldn't suspend my disbelief to get into this show. Every family in Bridgerton would've been making income from chattel slavery, so this weird utopia where there are Black people in the middle and upper classes and Black servants aren't enslaved people, didn't sit right with me. I found it all so unsettling. I'm also at saturation point with Buffy Syndrome shows about idealised white women who are fawned over by all and sundry.
Yeah I think they really shot themselves in the foot by opening up that “alternate history” explanation of ‘yeah racism did exist but racism ended once Obama became pres- I mean, Charlotte became Queen’ explanation in a one sentence throw away line. If they just went colourblind casting no one would question it, but introducing that bit of worldbuilding and not following through just leaves them to so many questions
@@aikikaname6508 And here I thought they were colour blind casting like they did with Beauty and the Beast movie.
they definitely should have left that part out. if it was the queen who ended racism it would have been years before the Duke wasn't white...
Asians and dark skinned black people were background characters. The entire time. Like wow🙂
I noticed that in the trailers which is still the reason why I haven't clicked to watch on my Netflix.
@@laurad-l-m814 as said in this video, the dark skin characters represented were stereotypes with no real depth and only embodied archetypes given to us by white media. Some would say “at least they got speaking lines” but I’d beg to differ; them having lines but only playing stereotypes is just as bad as minimal representation because at least there’s no negative connotations of that skin colour being perpetuated.
@@laurad-l-m814 Shut up Laura.
@@laurad-l-m814 you’re actually wrong though
See, you shout Asians @@laurad-l-m814 and yet they still try to silence you. Just like we fought for rights and because of us, Asians have rights too but they still try to marginalize us. When will we learn to speak up for our people and our ppl alone. There was no dark skinned black women who had a speaking role nor even more than a millisecond on camera. But this girl was only focused on Asians while you’re focused on both and she can’t even be grateful. The audacity.
I've notice the "trend" of always casting lightskin instead of a variety. I would LOVE to see more Asians-not just Asian but just a diverse of complexion.
True! Hollywood is still forgetting Asian people can be dark skinned too, and that Indian people are Asian, and the fact that England colonized India and there were no Indian people in this show is another X
For real, I spent some time in southern India, and was shocked by how dark the people were. The majority of them were darker than most people I know who identify as Black in the united states (including myself). I'm like, where is the representation for these folks? You never see them on TV. There or here. This could have been a perfect opportunity.
@@nanamiharuka3269 because so many people still think asian = only east asia lmaoooo.
like i genuinely believe anyone who thought "asian" and didn't immediately default to korea/china/japan are either 1) asian themselves and not from those regions or 2) close with people who're asian but not from those regions.
@@mophead_xu also, while kind of on the topic of East Asians, a lot aren’t as light as the industry portrays them to be. Generally speaking, they usually are a bit lighter in complexion than South Asians. But many can have a darker complexions too. They aren’t all vampires.
@@Nihilist_Porcupine that has a lot to do with the caste system. It’s no coincidence that the people who are lowest on the caste system are dark skinned and usually work horrible jobs. Also take into colorism as well. It’s sad all around
My main problem was closer to the end of the show. The toxic relationship the duke had with his dad was swept quite swiftly and insensitively under the rug. And I’m saying that incredibly nicely. Suddenly, the couple has a baby and he’s apparently over what his dad did to him?? That’s... not how toxic relationships work. Healing from them takes so much longer than that. OH man, I was UPSET at the ending.
Hopefully they handle that in the next season
@@barbiechyqa9192 I’m hoping that too but I have a gut feeling they won’t with how quickly the issue was resolved. They really made the duke look insensitive just because the main chick wanted a child (along with the fact that it’s EXPECTED for them to have one) and invalidated his trauma. I know someone who has a father whom they’ve disowned and watching that was hard tbh
Thank you!! The love conquers all BS was irritating.
OMG. This is a movie done from a book written in 2004! A book series , fiction for Gods sake!! Sorry you are not part of the 82mil people.
@@joanpeart6238 what's your point Joan
Everyone says it with me: "Men can be SA and it is just as wrong."
THIS TIMES A MILLION! ❤
"You're not responsible for your first thought, thats society,, but you are responsible for your second thought and your action afterwards."
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That's really good. We can't really help our biases, or perceptions, but acting on them can really show who you are. I like that line
I think might just steal that quote. SOooo true!
@@charlotteevans103 it was a post on Tumblr long ago. I remember it blowing my mind the first time I heard it, but I say it alot now because of that.
@@OReily08080 ♥️ My mother used to say it all the time, I've passed it along to my sons, Its definitely one that makes me stop and think before I act, hopefully it does the same for them.
@@charlotteevans103 It was my mom's favorite to remind us to watch how we act. I dont know the original author though!
Another thing that these shows refuse to do is cast an unambiguous black couple. The man can be dark skinned, but best believe the woman will be lighter than a brown paper bag; or definitely biracial. Leave it to the media you would think dark skin women, and black couples don't exist. I still watch Living Single...the cast was fire! Your self promotion at the end😂🤣. You got pipes!🤎
The boxer and her wife are a BLACK COUPLE. but Yeahhhhhhh complain.
Preach
They have a agenda against the black family
@@laurad-l-m814
You need some glasses 👓
@@dminor5199 well I DOUBLED CHECK AND YEAHHHHHHH I NEED SOME GLASSES 😂😂😂 They still a Black couple so 😏
@@laurad-l-m814
Since the woman is biracial, i don't think they are a black couple unless you're a one drop ruler.
I'm rly loving the "you're not responsible for your first thought - society's responsible for that - but you are responsible for your second", coz lately I've really been trying to come to terms with/identify the biases that I have in general, this is rly great advice. Thank you!!💜💜
loved that too! givin me something to think about today!
Same.
I thought the same. Lately when I saw cute girls my brain was just like "it's not normal, it's bad" and I felt so bad for thinking that like being homophobic when it comes to myself but maybe it's society and not me
I wish indigenous people were represented more in media, even in talks of diversity most forget to even mention indigenous people at all.
You and me both...
Ava Duvernay and Bird Runningwater are currently working on a tv drama.
Theres a new one airing right now on CW called trickster.
The wilds on Amazon Prime has a second season
They cancelled chambers on netflix which I'm still pissed about.
I was so exited for ATLA on netflix but I don't know.
Charmedsas1 most of the indigenous movies I know were made for natives by natives, like smoke signals and dance me outside- which are totally not coincidentally both my favourite movies ,:D
@@sea4896
Thanks for these references, I will def check them out. 😂
One of my fav indigenous movie is blood quantum.
Also I see what you mean by for us by us.
Sovereign is going to have a for native by native as well, but keep in mind that you need producers, the right producers like Ava, cuz she understands that you need to support at a distance.
Same with "the body remembers when the world broke open" a lot of indie movies filters thru her production company but she doesn't hover over them, I like that she lets them shine thru her platform.
And it not be stereotyped
@Cainneach Z I think it was a more general comment, not just about that one show
I swear if I see another medium/dark complexioned man and biracial/light-skinned woman couple in the media 😡😡😡 It’s like they’re using ethnically ambiguous women as a way to check off their diversity box. And the fact that we only see complex and lovable darker women in shows made by Issa Rae or Micaela Cole is just testament to how we are often the only ones holding space for our experiences.
And insecure is done now smh
This show was created by Shonda Rhimes a dark skinned woman as well. I generally don't have an issue with her as she has positively portrayed dark skinned and unambiguous Black women in her past shows. But something about this just show rubs me the wrong way. Almost like she tried to check off too many "diversity" boxes without making her Whjte audience totally uncomfortable.
@@Boomboomroomish sorry but I noticed this about shonda long time ago. I honestly think everyone has either not noticed or ignored because she tends to have the main character being a black woman then everyone around her is white
@@Boomboomroomish Shonda is brown, but I wouldn’t consider her dark by any means. And that may be where the disconnect is for her. Because she has a lot of interracial relationships play out on her shows. You rarely, if ever, see two darker-skinned people together. I don’t know if it’s just because she likes the contrast, but it’s noticeable.
@@KhadijaMbowe WAIT...Is Insecure cancelled?! Hold up - I gotta pause and go research this 💔
Edit: Oh no...
I definitely missed any hint that Simon's dad was using the "twice as hard to get half as far" mentality, so to me it just came across as, "Wow, this dad is a jerk just because his son has a stammer. Poor Simon." Also, thank you for bringing up the consent issues! If it had been the opposite scenario where Simon wanted kids and Daphne didn't and he was forcing himself on her, I think it would have been seen more clearly for what it was. We still have work to do as a society with recognizing that men can be victims and women can be perpetrators, though I think it's getting better. 💜
I’m ********finally********* finding the great black creators on this platform
same. i always see angry white boys. but i searched stuff about black hair care for some reason lol and my algorithm changed
Kat Blaque is pretty great too
Same
ItzKeisha and Kennie JD are both really awesome too. Kennie’s one of my favorite UA-camrs. She does a lot of commentary videos but also talks about current events as they arise. Keisha (though I haven’t seen some of her most recent videos) talks a lot about news on social media and issues like racism, homophobia&biphobia respectively, and how problematic certain creators are. Highly recommend both of them though
Good observation
I couldn’t get over the sexual assault in the 6th episode. The way it was handled completely erases male victims 😞 devastating
What sexual assault? Please remind me
@@nafisablog6408 when Daphne finds out how impregnation works.. she gets on top of Simon and when he tells her to wait repeatedly (nonverbal cues included), she holds him down 😕 his stutter comes back showing he was clearly affected and then we’re supposed to root for the couple after that? No
legit I couldn't watch it after that and i was already feeling blech about it.
@@Paper_Smith I never realized his stutter came back. Poor guy
it made me feel sick
As a Latina, I agree 100%! I wish I could see myself in shows like this. Instead we get hypersexualized and portrayed as “spicy” and with an attitude. Also I don’t understand the x in “latinx”... did i miss something? In Spanish Latino is the default gender neutral version.
Latinx was originally suppose to be only for non binary people which is like less than 1% of the population but nowadays idk wtf EVERYONE is calling all latinos, latinx because I know quite a few very out and proud latinos that's hate being called latinx.
At the end of the day if it's a personal choice of you want to call only non binary people latinx and every one else latino that's your right. It was joked that "latinx" was created by white people (I wouldn't be surprised). LatinOs is for all Latin people men or women, latinx is was suppose to be for just the non binary. I dont say latinx because I personally hate that word. It's as aggravating as afrx (afro) or womyn/womxn (women) 🤢.
apparently trans spanish speaking and indigenous in particular people have tried to tell people to use latine instead of latinx since its just a weird hard pronunciation. which would be more gender neutral than latino as a blanket term since o is masculine in many circumstances, and it might make trans latine people uncomfortable when included and implicitly gendered that way.
It's white people trying to force their "inclusive" terms onto other races without giving a shit about that race and their hisotry, basically (they do that a lot). It's their pat on the back, yay, we did it! If you will.
@@garfieldfatherofdread3043 then what about the the latinos that dont want to be referred to that at all? Just use latinx or e or whatever only for the lgbt community and let the rest of be referred to as Latinos 😂 this was an issue for only non binary in the beginning.
@@Spicy_Spores I am Brazilian, born and raised, and I honestly never saw a problem with the term Latinx bc I thought it was an English way to be inclusive. When I speak Portuguese I still refer to everyone as Latinos, I never thought about it as anyone trying to change our language because they did it in their language. Much like the way they changed the word Brasil to Brazil. But Brazil might be different from other places tho because we take in English words all the time and make it our own. Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t care but that’s just my take on it.
and don't forget the lack of awareness when it comes to males being sexually assaulted (aka, THAT scene with the duke and Daphne) it's so disgusting
YESS they made it seem like a big "power move" on her part, but i was sitting there like,,,, uhhhh that's straight up rape, girl
How was it straight up rape
@@mayabrune4236 thats rape cmon now he could have easily taking her off of him
Bruh what scene? I didn’t notice an assault.
Yes, he consented to having sex with her but consenting to sex and consenting to sex without birth control are definitely not the same thing. Obviously, today we know that pulling out is not an effective method for birth control but we have to consider the context of the show here. Simon made his boundaries clear several times. I agree, he should have explained his reasons for not having children before entering the relationship but it's ultimately his choice if/when/how to tell her and Daphne crossed these boundaries both in the sex scene and when she read his letters. What bothered me most was the dialog that followed the sex scene because Daphne is still portrayed as the innocent, likeable character. It could have been an interesting turning point in which the flaws of her character are revealed...
As a Native woman, I can relate to that feeling of never being able to see someone that looks like you in shows or movies unless they come with extreme stereotypes. Film likes to keep Native people back in the 1800s and doesn't feel the need to put us in any other role, or worst case scenario they cast a white person to play Native roles instead of Native actors (ex: Johnny Depp in Lone Ranger and Taylor Lautner in Twilight). We make up less than 1% of America, but we are still here
Yeah I see what you mean I agree as well.
I'm genuinely ignorant but, how much of the population are actors? I tried Googling actors because I'm worried about how Netflix is going to cast the Water Tribes in their Avatar: The Last Airbender adaption, I didn't get much results but I'd like to see more representation. I don't want them to be whitewashed, I hope there are aspiring Native actors that are ready to audition. It would be an amazing opportunity for the Native community if Netflix took the initiative to cast them properly as Indigenous people.
representation matters!
Omg. I didnt realise that Taylor Lautner wasn't native American. I'm African. The only time I saw Native American people is on Tik Tok ( I know it's not the best source.) Then I started looking for youtube videos on native Americans and the first things I find is some racist BS with a young white guy spitting on an older Native American man during their peaceful protests.
@@actuallyterry i love that people are sharing our culture on TikTok and it gives other people a chance to learn about us and our cultures. And a lot of people thought Taylor Lautner was native but he’s actually full white lol
This is why we need shows based on books written by and about people of color. Instead of asking for a seat at the table, we need to bring the table and the damn chairs. Period.
Yes!!
Yes, I love that. Not just bring the chairs, but the table too.
this show is mainly written by a women of color, shonda rhimes, she wrote greys anatomy and how to get away with murder
@@Kmkmkms Shonda Rhimes is not a dark skinned black women. The two shows you just mentioned by her also seem to have similarities to this one in how they handle diversity. I might be wrong though.
PERIOD
"You are not responsible for your first thought that pops into your mind -- society is ... but you are responsible for your second thought" -- beautiful!!
Khadija, I legit feel like I have known you FOREVER & I just recently subscribed to your channel. I came across your channel from another youtuber who did a "Pretty Privilege" video and the content you put out, the way you deliver your message and provide a different insight based on your knowledge, the research you put in and your life experiences are all A1.. KEEP BEING YOU SIS!!!
If there's anything more insulting than no diversity, it's disingenuous/dishonest diversity.
preach
Speak the truth sis
Very *that*
@Caro Lin *VERY THIS👏👏👏!!!*
Seriously!!
So is no one going to talk about that VOICE. Stunning.
Representation in American entertainment has regressed TREMENDOUSLY since the 90s and I wanna know why too !!
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@itunoo bc it’s not genuine. Let's ask whoever benefits this whole woke movement.
I made another comment that’s more detailed but basically m o n e y :(
It's regressed because its representation and not ownership.
What can be given, can be taken away at will.
While representation is a wonderful concept and should be pursued, our asking our oppressor to include us means that everything is up to them.
And when u give someone the option of including u u also have to understand that you give them the option to exclude u the minute it doesn't work for their purposes.
Perhaps someone should do a video essay on this?! I would definitely watch
Lol "i was rewatching the vampire diaries and when they had a dark skinned charecter; he was satan" 🤣🤣
Gurllll 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Omg 🤣 im dead
@ebony b Wowwwww
Where's the lieee 😭😭😭
i’m dying
I was really worried clicking on this video because I did love the show but you made some really great points and critiques in a way that didn't just throw the show in the trash but just acknowledged it's downfalls and biases! also I LOVE your energy! Subscribing!
Me too!!
Kristina Maione
Hey, you're cool. But sometimes somethings gotta be thrown in the trash. There should be room for that
It's so typical that you loved the show and only through this video ... Ugh.
@@MonaHerSelfM??
@@MonaHerSelfM maybe it’s because quite a few people just watch the show and just take it all at face value, not to mention I think this video does a good job if it makes ppl realize the show has issues- like are you good?
Just watched this after finishing season 2, would love to see a video documenting your thoughts on season 2, if they improved etc.
Just imagine you don't want kids and your partner forced on you... I would like to demand police and a therapist at the break of dawn, your grace
I’d so love a show where a partner in a relationship doesn’t want kids and it stays that way. I’m so tired of tv characters giving in to the “social norm” and end up having kids. Wish more tv shows would focus on the childfree lifestyle.
THIS I hate this shit so much
@@tomboyraider1015 it's a biological reality, not a social norm. People want kids lmao
@@extremelynormalperson it's both really. Too many times couples get asked (especially after they've gotten married) when they're going to have kids and then after they have one they get asked when they're going to have another. Women get pressured by mothers to give them grandkids. When people say they don't want kids people tell them "you'll change your mind". It's maddening.
@@akakakakak9 the world is not overpopulated. That's a media hyperbole. We're doing fine homie. And to your point about some not wanting kids, yes that's true, but many are in denial and fill the biological void with anything they can. Hence cat ladies lmao
Someone need to tell Hollywood that just putting one or two Black people in your show doesn’t make your show racially or culturally “diverse”. There are other races that are not just black and white 😒
Putting a half white person shouldn't be considered diversity either.
There shouldnt even be any black or else at start. If it was the contrary y'alk would have scream all over the street "CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN". Stop being hyphocritical
Putting black people in historically inaccurate settings is stupid as well.. you should all be rooting for having movies and series set in your culture's history, and not within historically white settings. I bet most people would win from actually being educated on other people's cultures as well. Even if we're talking about a silly romance or a poor comedy, it doesn't have to be historical.
You're all doing it completely wrong and you have to realize this is never going to stop. It's just another way of keeping you away from seeing the real issues in our society.
The diversity trend is not helping anyone but the big corporations who end up making all the money, while the average Joe throws his money and complains on the Internet of how unhappy he is with the representation.
@@hime5259 can you repeat that in english?
@dealzz _ That happend in 18th century ? Yes ? Cuz this is historically false. But, most of series take place nowadays or in the future so there should be every kind of ppl. I wouldnt like a movie about slavery with white slaves because it didnt happend ? So dont act like you don't get my point
The only "eligible" (i.e. YOUNG, beautiful, and worthy of having speaking lines) woman of color is MIXED (I won't even talk about the potential colorism there). All the (white) men wanted to get with her vs the seasoning-challenged Daphne. Yet she STILL ended up being a SINGLE BABY MAMA who became the conniving JEZEBEL trying to ensnare a rich young man when her options were reduced to old men. We have the trifecta: JEZEBEL mixed /blackish woman who got pregnant YOUNG because she was a "fast" girl and she is SINGLE BABY MAMA now. But this is groundbreaking representation...?
*claps fervently* yes! This part! It took so much effort for me to get over this to finally finish the last four episodes 😫
@@krenee984 ikr! All I could think about after the wedding was "Wait a sec... this show is about... pulling out?!?!!!!!! 😳💥😂" Now that's groundbreaking!
I couldn't stand how they portrayed her, and the fact she ended up with NO ONE....at least for love. The only woc that was in the main cast had to be made in a disloyal way
They want us to continue to settle for less
@@OReily08080 agreed on both counts! I was so disgusted after I limped across the finish line with it. 😩 This show felt so lazy and uninspired to me. Hopefully they focus elsewhere next season otherwise...hard pass for me!
I watched the pilot with my mom over the holiday and my first thought was “ why are the only dark skin ppl in the background/servants with no lines” the light skin love interest is played out. I’m so glad you made this video!
They had upper-class dark-skinned black people too but they were extras
@@nikkimillionspring3667 exactly
Its annoying how it can be shown that dark skinned people can be shown as higher ups but no real importance in the show
@@oofnugget_weeb9212 so true
I’m really curious to see how the 2nd season will pan out now that the producers can see the public’s reaction to the 1st season🤔
It'll be focused on Anthony Bridgerton's story as far as I've read.
@@VivianeBossina How bizarre. We definitely haven't heard about the life and struggles of a white, cis, straight man.
She'll be in season 2 🤭🤭☺☺🤣
I am curious also what it will be like
Overall, the public’s reaction seems to have been positive. I am just starting this video and interested to see the criticism, but this is the first criticism that I have seen.
I would love to see more of Simon’s auntie, Lady Danbury, beyond being the Duke of Hastings aunt; and more of Eloise - I gather the books go into each siblings’ romance, but I’d love to just see her being sassy and single, maybe get into a profession (it is a fantasy, even if it’s trying to be a bit historical).
So I kind of have a problem with calling Eloise (and her relationship with her best friend) as inherently queer baiting. There are a few reasons for this. I’ve noticed that this is a trend that tends to get mentioned when two same-sex individuals have a close and intimate friendship. But I didn’t really see anything between those two characters that textually read as anything other than a close friendship. People also tend to respond similarly to a man and a woman being intimate friends as well and I’m kind of over it? Why is it that friendships depicted with nuance and complexity and vulnerability have to then be contextualized by others and being romantic or sexual? Another issue I take with it is that I’ve noticed a lot of people remarking that Eloise sort of chaffing at the constraints she’s presented by her family and society is also a marker that she must be queer. This bothers me immensely. I’m sorry but being a woman who is interested expanding your horizons, and doesn’t want to play a part of this weird patriarchal structure doesn’t indicate anything about your sexuality. Any woman regardless of who she was interested in could come to the same conclusion. Likewise, plenty of queer women (myself included) love dresses and balls and jewelry (and like yeah - I’d still want to go to university and read books but that’s kind of my point) and I just find these associations to be extremely limiting. I guess what I’m saying is that there are LOTS of ways to be queer and I feel like we picked up on one of the most stereotypical and decided that that SHOULD be queer even though there’s no real reason why that necessarily has to be the case.
I totally agree
so true. thanks for pointing this out
so well put, 100% agreed!!
Excellent point. I was looking for someone to say this! Unfortunately there are so few three dimensional depictions of female friendship that any deep frienship is considered "possibly gay"
Completely agree with you
As a black girl it really made me sad seeing ONLY light skinned girls who look mixed being in the main roles. Like, I’ve always dreamed of the Royal rich princess type of world but they just rubbed the fact that this is the only standard that is accepted into my face.
I understand you. I am most likely not watching it. Hearing the negative things from this video and a few articles I read are turning me off to watch it
@@JulianSteve Same. I decided this a while back. I can't watch colorist shows going forward -- period.
Brandy played a great Cinderella back in the day. I think they are using more Mixed people now is because that is the new norm now. That's who you see being created these days.
I was surprised to know that the Queen portrayed was real. She was England's first mixed race queen. And there were mixed people in British monarchy, and also in their entertainment...ie Beethoven. Ie Shakespear and some of his characters. So, I thought of bridgerton as less like colorblind casting than somewhat realistic. But I honestly don't care because why do we even want to be so integrated into EUROPEAN history or fantasy? Why do they have to do that shit? Why not just make a movie about the black bourgier in America? They do exist. Asians in their original cultural settings? Ming Dynasty anyone? There are plenty of historical contexts that haven't been explored yet. Btw, Asians are over 50% of the world population. They have their own homogenous countries with full media industries. Hell, I watch so many Asian dramas on Netflix. So honestly, yall, just stfu and enjoy. Dont like not being included in European period dramas? Don't put it on a pedestal and embrace your own cultural stories. But you know, im just a girl a little irritated with virtue signaling after the 50, 60s, 70s and 80s and 90s where black roles and full shows and movies clearly existed and made money. Marvin Van Peebles anyone? There's plenty of shows on Netflix with dark skinned main roles. Hell, Scandal had a whole dark skinned black woman. But whatever, just forget all that shit huh? At least she mentioned Living single. Like Martin, Jamie Foxx, the Cools, the Cosby, Urkle weren't all playing on networks at the same damn time.
idk id love to see a move set in an african country with darkskinned african princesses and kings..that would be so much better, an all black historically accurate cast...no need to try and fit them in into white stories...make ariel a black person and such, randomly add black people just for diversity's sake...
If the producers wanted it to be historically accurate, they should not have promised diversity. But if this was a fantasy world, they really did an awful job by not following through on the diversity they promised.
I didn’t realize this was a fantasy world building type show & so I was so confused at seeing that there was black people in such high class roles especially in the 1800s (sorry if I sound ignorant)
@@mozzytrainer nah I get what you’re saying. I didn’t realize it was supposed to be fantasy either until watching this video. If it was more like a documentary, I would’ve loved it if they would’ve explored the experiences of black men and women of that era in England and told their stories, instead of pretending like race was irrelevant. It felt really lazy, honestly.
It really was race baiting.
And if it's supposed to be "historically accurate" and that means there will be a dearth of Black characters, then that story probably doesn't need to be told!
What. Size:big medium skinny was shown
Diversity: light skin. Dark skin, medium toned
? Just because there wasn't a bunch of hispanics and asians doesn't mean it wasn't diverse. Asians and hispanics weren't apart of the victorian era where the story is based. And the story us based off a book. Write one?
Lupita Nyong'o having European-like features is the most hilarious thing I have ever heard.
Lol
I can tell you why those black shows disappeared. They started redirecting black viewership to shows like Love & Hip Hop, Real Housewives and Basketball wives. They replaced the sitcoms. If you notice, Girlfriends was the last one we had for a good while
Think it was also Friends. Friends killed representation so hard.
girlfriends is great!
@@relicreturns can you explain?
@@koinoyokan3155 Friends was globally dominant on television in the 90's/00's yet portrayed 5 white main characters. Set in New York one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. I think there was one (main) black character in 10 seasons.
@@relicreturns am very sure there were 6 main characters in friends 🤔
I was pissed that Daphne gets this happy ending while Mariana got shat on the whole time
Me too they dragged her the whole season I would have liked for her to find love baby 👶🏽 🍼 and all.
No hate to her, but I hated her character
She literally got her love story. That was hinted at the end
I HATED Penelope when I found out she was the one who ruined Mariana's marriage.
@@farwaasghar2163 factsssss. I liked her in the beginning, but then it took a horrible turn. I actually thought she was the main lead
as a brit i wish u did the whole video with the south london accent
Hahaha I truly don't think you do LOL it was...bad
@@KhadijaMbowe i've heard a lot worse but anyway so glad ur channel is growing much love
@@KhadijaMbowe it was amazing 😻
Me (has never watched Khadija): Oh, I'm excited to watch this video, I can't wait to hear this show get torn apart even more
Khadija: Nieces, nephews, and niblings
Me: 🥺(as the kids would put it, /pos)
I think also another creepy thing in the show that isn't addressed is the fact that Simon lowkey takes advantage of Daphne (although yes she does the same), but I find it quite creepy that he kinda knew that she didn't know anything about sex but had her do it with him when she was clearly uneducated in the topic. It's honestly something that reflects to real life as well, with so many women uneducated when it comes to sex ed, they almost always get taken advantage of when it comes to their first time. Also some may argue that Simon thought she knew cuz he said that, but he knew she's never even touched herself and taught her about that, so he clearly did know that she wasn't educated on this. Anyways, I just think its a bit creepy
This thing had me questioning if women really knew that little about sex... Like I know it wasn't meant to be historically accurate but damn Daphne really had no idea what sex was and yet she was married and expected to have sex
That is the part that bothered me the most! I just thought it was kind of manipulative...
@@shirleytatha8189 well i assume at that time sex was a very foreign topic among girls of Daphne's class and was frowned upon to engage in out of marriage so I don't think sheltered rich privileged girls like Daphne knew anything about sex until the time came for them to know.
i thought it was irresponsible for daphne's mother not to tell her anything about sex and was still very hesitant to tell her on the night of her wedding just about before she left for her honeymoon, simon would have very well be abusive and have forceful sex with daphne causing her to misinterpret the meaning of sex if it came down that.
To be honest that was how it was. My parents grew up when there wasn’t sex ed at schools and people don’t talk about it with their parents then either. So I asked my mum and apparently they only learned about it when one of her friends got married and told their group.
I didn’t know you were an opera singer! Makes me so happy. I have always loved your voice.
I don't think they understand that having light-skinned characters isn't providing black representation: it's just lip service. It's a gesture that allows them to check the diversity box while keeping casting as white as possible.
Agreed
And the one dark skinned black man they have plays a cold man and a bad father.
Oh wait I forgot about the dukes friend who he fights with.
@@remi2821 I am so disappointed. I was going to watch that show, too. Pass.
I'm sorry but do you not see how entitled you sound? "Yeah these characters are black, but they're not black enough." I mean what? Critique the plot and lack of actual discussion of social issues all you want, but does everything have to be about skin colour?
@@MysticGohan192 they made it out to be diverse but most of the talking parts were white I think is her point. Or where atleast a little white.
So here’s what happened to all these Black shows. They were all made, primarily on the BET network. At the time BET was owned by a black man, it was the first black networking channel and by the early 2000’s BET was under new management. White management for a Black entertainment channel. Anyway they basically just cancelled all the shows that were making the network money. Girlfriends, living single, half & half etc
Would love to hear your commentary on season 2 now that it’s out!
yessss same thoughts
What kills me is they'll throw more thought into the costumes, than the characters wearing them 👀
👀 Oop.
Yes!!! I agree 100%
As a POC, I would actually love more original historical series about people of color... all color... any color, based off either their own histories or complete fantasy. Like what BOTHERED me about this "colorblind" (not really) cast in Bridgerton is... does the story HAVE to be based off white history? Couldn't they create an ACTUAL fantasy world and not lift off of any stereotypically white history? Or a romance based on actual black history, or latin american history, or Asian history. There are ENOUGH shows about this kind of romance/theme. This is what confuses me about POC wanting to show themselves and their cultures are equally important as white history, but we're just going to insert ourselves into white historical drama??!? Are our histories not rich and beautiful? I love Jane Austen and actually I read my first Bridgerton book probably 10+ years ago, but as a POC I've never wanted to put myself in their shoes like how the Asian woman said, to me, it just doesn't work. My culture and values don't match and I'm sure if I saw a main character that looked like me (South Asian) in this show I'd just find it hilariously dumb because the thing is, I am more than the color of my skin, I have a whole culture and history which absolutely doesn't fit with this story and I don't think I'd enjoy it if they tried to explain why I was there (the king's son is dating a brown chick woot). I watch shows for escapism, so if that was their goal with Bridgerton they did a really bad job of it, because at the end of the day, I agree with your point. It was painfully obvious what they were trying to do with the cast, it felt very performative and it didn't have that "artless" feel that you would imagine from something that is supposed to be purely fantastical. If they removed that explanations, and maybe made the entire world feel like a different world altogether (like for example, maybe change the name of the country, and not name characters based off actual historical monarchs) but kept everything else the same except these minor details (and more TASTEFUL POC inclusion) then I probably would have enjoyed it. As it stands, it just felt like they were trying to tick boxes "okay we got 2 asians in this shot, lets sprinkle about 6 black people over here, oh we haven't reached our hispanic quota! Someone go find someone to fit this empty space here"
Chile the read! This is exactly why I’m. It interested in watching.
chile it's based on a book. write your own
This comment is so underrated. I study hispanic literature but bc I'm also mexican we also study Indigenous literature (and I'm part of a community tlaxcalteca) and it makes me so mad that we are invisible. Mexico is one of the most diverse countries because there are tons of Indigenous communities. But our stories never get the chance to be told by ourselves, it seems like we only exist as a country below the US that only has immigrants, drugs, stereotypical hot woman and the only role we can play is narcotraficante or poor people. Even when Coco came out they mixed cultures (mixteca, Tarahumara, nahua and then put mariachis) and misinterpreted the true vision of día de muertos and they don't let communities shine really. I don't want someone from other country to tell my story from their point of view and I don't want to be included in a lame role. I want the opportunity to tell my own stories from my people.
calm down shit. ppl would get mad either way.
We can't really expect white writers/directors to go out of their way to write about black, latin, or asian culture. That's up to us. The inclusive nature of the cast was already extraordinary.
You said everything that was in my mind about the show. From the queer baiting to the colourism to the having dark skinned extra as props. You said everything on my mind
As a black person living in britain, i thought you were one of us for a second 💀and why do you do a better english accent than me
lol
😂😂😂
Same!
Lol! The accent was everything and I'm from the UK too 🤣
😂😂
It’s definitely odd that even with Colorism being a more and more well recognized problem in society Hollywood and the media industry has decided to double down for some reason
Yes
Because they don't want it to change the second that more people of color it won't be appealing to the masses but the movie black panther and spirder verse should be a learning point for hollywood like movies like these will sell and do extremely well
Not the white man who thinks he has something to say on race and class from a unique perspective.
Right!! Huge eye roll 😒
SHSJNDKJSNKJSN BRO I CRINGED AT THE MENTAL IMAGE ALONE😭😭
When Chris (or any wealthy white man for that matter) says “topics that are relevant and important” it’s a subtle way to say: topics that SELL and will get me famous at the expense of underserved or historically oppressed people, it’s more exploitation and nothing else.
@@etorresrodz Deadass "a topic I just found out about and is cool"
Black people playing victim is a unique perspective? Lol ok those white men are spitting facts
Tee Noir gave you a shout out and that introduced me to your channel. You are as gorgeous as she says.😍😘💕. I came because of Tee but I stayed because of your personality and energy.
Same 💜
Me too ☺️
Same!
I gave up halfway through the first season but man, I was so disappointed that Eloise and her friend weren't going to fall into a romance.
I would be interested in colorism within lgbt relationships (it’s something I’ve noticed watching BLs, GLs, reading lgbt book, etc. The more masculine person is always darker and the lighter person is almost always light skinned and “soft/feminine” or if the darker skinned person is the “bottom” (if you’re talking about BLs or gay/bi men in books), he’s hyper sexual.
Now I have to go back through my prior books and see if I did this. And root it out if I have.
Dark skin is a masculine trait which is why pink is considered feminine.
@@ricorodriguez8141 yeah, let’s keep masculising non-white women🥰 Also I recommend you to read the definition of femininity.
@@user-zk1fk5wf3t I don't believe it but that's what the general population believes.
@@ricorodriguez8141 yeah, that's colourism and racism
Im tired. they never have young dark skin black women as a main character/love interest🤧
This video is so good. I'm a white girl and I learned a lot from it. It's a shame that many of these things were not obvious to me before so thank you so much for that change in perspective. It's easy to forget how privileged I am that I see so many people in movies or shows who look like myself. It really matters what we see and how it's presented. I write fantasy stories and I always try to be open minded and have diverse characters. That sentence "you have to work twice to get half" really hit me because I never thought about it, I never needed to and it makes me hate our unfair society so much. It's similar to women and men. When you belong to the privileged group you don't need to think about the not-privileged group. I hope we can change that
I can relate to that. My compatriots brainwashed a ton of foreigners into believing that we were a diverse utopia when in reality, we were culpable (and still are) of the same crap as the Brits, with the only differences being lack of accountability and the location where it all happened.
Also, your video on toxic masculinity really opened my eyes and has made question more about it and empathize with how men are so we can get a better understanding. Thanks.
I honestly hated Daphnes character with a burning passion.
Shes the Y/N from wattpad fanfiction i was half expecting harry styles to come in and buy her from her parents lmao
@@skootzkadoodles LMAOOOO
@@skootzkadoodles Bruh you cannot be more accurate 😂
She was so basic and boring, I fully expected the character's name to be Emily for the first two episodes.
@@skootzkadoodles FR, and was I the only one bugged by how her face looked like she always wanted to cry ?
im also VERY tired of people thinking if they add a few black ppl to a show theyre diverse, i NEVER see middle eastern/north african represantation in american shows
Marina was my favorite character. I loved when she was in the street was saying how she sees hard-working people. I love how she was strong in her love. I was sooo disappointed in her ending.
@Glory Vaudan It should also be said that Marina tried to trap a naive guy into marriage only for her own interest and reputation. I understand her on one side, but on the other, she completely deceived and lied to this guy (Colin I think his name was). She only wanted to marry him to hide her 'early' pregnancy and then wanted to trap Colin into raising a child that wasn't his, but having to do so because if word came out that he wasn't the father their marriage and reputation (as well as the family's and the baby's reputation) would be ruined.
I love her character and she deserved wayyy better, and Penelope started to suck when she outed Marina like that, but she did some really wrong and questionable things as well.
i liked her until she tried to trick colin into marrying her :/
Just to point that the sentence "You're not responsible of your first thought but you are for the second one" is something a friend told me around six month ago and in this six month my work on myself became so much healthier and faster. Even unconsciously, it really hit home and help with all the culpability to place it in energy of reconstruction. Sorry for my bad english I'm not a native speaker so maybe it's not clear btw.
I was listening to this, and the Asian woman talk about reading Jane Austen and it occurred to me- more Asian kids in America probably know more about English Literature than white kids, and certainly in terms of fraction if each population.
I would like to say that POC academic overcompensation is very common. I never had to read a traditional high school novel, like Wuthering Heights?? The Great Gatsby. Though I read these type of novels in my free time to compensate for blackness in education and academics. Gothic Literature, and of Traditional Literature is something POC will commonly read as a compensation for race when it comes to education. Or so it has been in my experience.
@@jalynnknight9653 that is fascinating. I’d say the only “classic” I had to read in school was “To Kill A Mocking Bird”, really started my love of reading. But damn if Harper Lee didn’t keep her mouth shut for DECADES only to murder that book and its characters in the lost heartbreaking way... she ruined me first love of literature.
But for POC I wish they knew that white people don’t view this old English literature as much of anything special... its mostly just what got published because the authors came from nobility and aristocracy, its what survived, and so it has picked over countless time for “interpretation” and lazy lesson plans.
We don’t see this as our “heritage” (because frankly if our ancestors ended up here they were unlikely to be any nobility), we see it as a but if history from another country, usually with lives and dramas we find silly snd unrelateblr un k
@@ArealMrsSmith its interesting that americans think like that, i'm white english and iv pretty much always classed the classics as my heritage, though that might be swayed by the the fact im directly related to one of them (elizabeth gaskell if you're interested) so its literally in my family history, still though I think of a lot of that kind of stuff as heritage outside of family ties
Yes! Throughout my life, I felt the need to be extremely good with English as a whole. I edited papers for other people, read all the classic English literature I could, and overly corrected my pronunciation. I don't even like to read, but it was like this incessant need to be accepted into white society pushed on me. The stereotype that Asians are always extremely good academically probably also played into this for me. Yes we have pressure from our families and maybe our backgrounds, but I saw a higher expectation from teachers or a discredit to my hard work with an "of course you got the highest grade in class, you're Asian."
THANK YOU the acknowledgment of races differences half way through was SO weird
I'm glad we are talking about the colorism. I tried to talk about it on my vintagexpast Instagram and it flopped lol.
People are all mad that the costumes arent accurate in IG but that's all they seem to care abt over there. Of course 19th century england fans tend to not be particularly conscious about any social issues...
@@verybarebones Right! I was like "there's not a single dark skin person on this show who is under the age of 35". Plus, I wanted an escapist show where race doesn't exist. Finding how they know what race is half way through the show totally ruined it for me, because it made it clear it's not a perfect world but one that just chooses not to acknowledge it's problems.
Oh girl I noticed it immediately...People who didn’t see it are choosing to stay blind
watching this with the context of season 2 and queen charlotte is interesting. i think a big part to remember is that this was created by a white guy and that queen charlotte isn’t. also it’s important to remember that it’s a book adaptation that initially didn’t have any or less diversity (idk for sure, but i know simon was white) trying to make it modern, but try to keep it to the books is hard.
queen charlotte made a lot of progress
Casting directors: we need a black guy, make him light
Also in Hollywood: they want a black main character for Disney; make them into an animal half to majority of movie
i haven’t even watched this but does the animated disney movie Soul count cause...
@@user-wd8xk6bw1z soul is literally one exception
@@user-wd8xk6bw1z it's better than Princess and the Frog but he literally becomes a cat for a third of the movie and spends another third being a spirit.
I remember reading something about Disney characters, that not a lot of people like how when it comes to black characters, they'll turn into an animal or a soul for half of the movie. And the reason is because, it looks like they can't live a normal life, unlike the white characters.
This is just something that I've read.
I think colorism is the reason I like Anna Diop as Starfire so much, you don’t see dark skinned women in main roles often
omg yess! its true. I was so happy she was casted as Starfire in dc titans!
And then the fans shat on her for years and she was basically written out of the second season.
YES. She deserved a better wig tho.
I want to recommend a series that is not very well known and that I really liked how it shows various social problems, including racism, at the beginning of the 20th century in New York. The series is called The knick.
I am a new subscriber to your channel. Your videos are informative, respectful and the amount of humor you add makes them even more enjoyable! greetings from Argentina
as a british gal, the accents were IMMACULATE. also you left no crumbs
I just now realized she had an american accent
I thought they were quite decent but the giveaway was the way she pronounced "duke".
It wasn’t lol it was rubbish
You have charisma for daaaaaays. Want to see you in a lead role asap.
I wished they pulled a cinderella and did a dark-skinned female and an asian male. :(
Ooh that would be interesting
As in "Cinderella" with Brandy and Paolo Montalban?! 😉
@@soonut Yes :)
That would be fire
To be honest, I don't know why they don't make a historical drama that accurately represents black people in the UK during that period. We don't need a colourblind cast. There were MANY black people in the UK during the 17th and 18th century. I loved the show Sanditon because it showed a wealthy black girl in the UK during that period and was very realistic. It's a shame that it wasn't popular enough to be renewed but her character was well written!
I referenced sanditon to my mom as we were talking about how bridgerton was overly trying to heard they missed the point of misrepresentation😬 Sanditon is a good comparison
YES YES YES
Also #SaveSanditon
@@hi-ve1cw How is it a slight exaggeration? Firstly I'm talking about the UK, not Europe. Secondly, there were enough black people in the UK during that period for it to be noticeable especially in large cities. Many worked as low paid servants to the wealthy or in the navy and army. There were even efforts to send British black people to countries in Africa as the number of impoverishing black people in cities had become so high.
OH MY GOD I HAD NO IDEA MY FAVORITE UA-camR WAS ALSO A BLACK OPERA SINGER!! 😱😱💖💜 I'm a Black soprano coloratura myself, and let me tell you, Black opera singers - especially Black AFAB opera singers - are RARE AS HELL‼️ Granted, I'm a trans man, so my voice is changing and I'm more of a tenor these days, but I've been training almost every day so I can keep my old soprano range 😊 @Khadija Mbowe, please please PLEASE post a video to your channel of a full opera performance - it would mean the world to me to see another Black soprano out here being a bad b*tch on the internet 🥺💖💜
You're currently amongst my favorite UA-camrs and all your videos are great
Every black women with a speaking role was either light skin or biracial (including the person playing Lady Danbury).
Exactly why I didn't watch this show. At this point, colorism isn't a mistake. They know exactly what they're doing.
but that was the reality at that time..so they didn't lie
@@Arabic4Beautiful Still like the show and was fun storyline that was enjoyable so I still recommend watching. I just wish they wouldn't try and fake claim inclusivity and breaking barriers. With the new leading lady for season 2 being cast as a darker skin fully South Asian women I am happy about that and them maybe taking the criticism to heart.
@@lenab.m.3708 Oh wow!! I didn't know Lady Bridgeton was real! Please point me to where in the history books you found this story I'm so interested! Like wow since this is all based in reality and so real I want to read more about how the Duke of Hastings and Daphne changed history.
Thank you sooo much Lena for enlightening me that the fiction novel Bridgeton TV adaptation is actually based on reality so everything must be so real and accurate!
I'm a 40-year-old white woman from Poland and I've recently discovered your channel. I'm listening to your essays and they really make me think. In my country almost everybody is white. We have a few minorities but they are fair skin toned, however, prejudice against them can sometimes be strong. It's rooted in history to as it often is... Thank you for that bit when you talked about being responsible for the*second* thought you have about someone and the actions for take afterwards. Best regards!
I don’t think you can compare the history of Poland, which has been through very hard times and been oppressed, to the history of the UK and the USA which have always been the oppressors. Don’t put down Poland when it has nothing to do with western history.
@@k.c7655 I do not have the impression that she is comparing Poland's history with "Western" (European) history, but with the current situation and the behaviour of a white majority towards one or more minorities.
In the case of Poland, it is not about race, colonialism or imperialism, but about a very right-wing fundamental religious party that is not only turning the country into an illiberal democracy by giving the government control over the judiciary and media, but also against LGBTQ rights, foreigners and refugees. I could not detect any value judgement or comparison of these quite different narratives in her comment.
PS: Poland is definitely linked to "Western" history, but that always depends on how you define the terms and which time you look at.
@@prof.jacques_xcix3558 I just don’t understand why she mentioned history when Poland has never had a history of oppressing minorities? In the present it might be true, but in the past? The only thing I can think of is Hitler who sent polish Jews to concentration camps, but he himself wasn’t polish...
@@k.c7655 In general, I always find it difficult to equate the oppression of one with the oppression of the other, because in doing so one forgets the individual context and one very quickly infers a less bad past, which can, however, lead to very similar complex consequences in the present.
Now what she said is and I quote "prejudice against them can sometimes be strong. It's rooted in history to as it often is". I have to admit that I am not an expert on Polish history, but I can still give you an example of such Polish oppression, which is even deliberately taken up by the ruling party today, and I think that is also what the comment refers to.
A long-time companion of the PiS leader wrote on his Facebook page at the end of 2015 that Kaczyński wanted to follow in the footsteps of Marshal Józef Piłsudski, who ruled Poland quasi-dictatorially from 1926 to 1935. In fact, PiS has placed its current policies under the headings of "rehabilitation of the state" and "recovery of society". This was precisely the core of Piłsudski's ideology, whose movement called itself "Sanacja" (healing) and was dedicated to the recovery of the nation.
In 1934, the government set up an internment camp for Ukrainian nationalists, communists and other prominent opponents of the regime. The trend towards an authoritarian state continued to intensify; the rights of the Slavic minorities were massively restricted, and Jews were discriminated. The German minority, which was secretly supported financially by the Nazi state, also had its rights increasingly restricted, despite the officially good German-Polish relations since the non-aggression treaty between Hitler and Piłsudski, to which the growing enthusiasm of many of the ethnic Germans for National Socialism also contributed.
I think this example shows very clearly how the past and their different perceptions often overlap. So when the Polish government fuels hatred towards foreigners today by using the same narratives as in the 1930s, we see exactly such an analogy and the reason for us to reflect on such statements and thinking.
@@prof.jacques_xcix3558 Same goes for Hungary. I'm so ashamed for my country these days.
Yeah I remember a lot of these points kinda bothering me when I was watching it, and then we got to the whole reproductive coercion thing and I just completely tapped out at that point
"I have narratives too, you know." LOVE IT.
I couldn’t get it into it. The dark skinned women in the show didn’t have feminine or high class roles smh I’m tired of that narrative
Same I stopped in mid episode.
“Twice as good for half as much” that sentence haunts me
I really liked Bridgerton but felt the way they addressed race (in one scene, like half way through the season) was pretty iffy. However I didn’t pick up on the colorism, stereotypes, and had no idea the show runner even set out to address issues of race/sexuality/gender because it didn’t really happen. Your video gave me a lot to think about so thank you (: I think this shows we need as much representation behind the screen, as writers and such, as we do on the screen, because Bridgerton definitely felt like a white person doing their best (??) to do representation without any real insight into racialized experiences
I think it would have been better if they didn’t address it.
Yeah that's what i was thinking too. Bc then they would be creating a 'utopia' of sorts - like - this is how the world would be, if people saw past each others' skin colours and were treated equally. I was hoping as the show went on, that would be the case but they went there like every other show...and it isn't unique. It could've been a unique take on society.
Right wasn’t needed it’s clear lol
@@Pillowlips77 it was clear as day they did not need to address it.
It was just confusing. Because there aren't any signs to let the audience know that there even IS an issue. No visual cues and with this particular medium even indirect things like the looks people give can be easily done. But nah. It came out of nowhere. It seems like the creators wanted to have their cake and it it too.
Totally, When that scene with Lady Danbury saying "... the king fell in love with one of us..." came up I legit said out loud: oh no 🤦🏽♀️
Tee Noir is how I found you too! We love an algorithm 😭
Same
Sameee . And I'm so glad I found her 😭💖
same here bb
Exactly the same!!
sameee
I deadass thought we were making jokes when you talked about them getting an opera singer in there then your video popped up and my face dropped. You better SAAANG
people need to stop saying poc when they mean black people
Yeah, it makes me feel a bit off when people use them interchangeably
Why
@@nameless568 because it’s two different thing imagine trying to get a cats attention and your just like “animal animal animal” poc is just really broad so you would say cat so you could be direct. yk?
@@teatalktable6009 ohh yea makes sense im sorry i really just didnt understand what u were trying to say in theoriginal comment
@@nameless568 Because you wouldn't walk into the flower shop and just ask for flowers, you call them by name. That, and because for me personally, I experience racism as a black person from other non black POC, so sometimes uniting under the banner of POC is a lot harder than it needs to be.
Hamilton did more of a color blind casting and literally hired the best imho
ok but how wise was it to cast slave owners as black people tho..... in a lot of ways hamilton did a lot of damage in terms of considering the actual legacy of the founding fathers. also the fandom is batshit
Ummm, YES! Would LOVE you to sing on stage or at a party in a Bridgerton scene! & Sis, we need a Season 2 review;)
Ashleen Akkal down in the comments said it best. The way that I didn't even question the lack of latinx/hispanic representation despite being Mexican.... says enough.
An interesting phenomenon remains that younger “black” representation in media tends to be light skin / biracial actresses.while when there is a need for an older actress they immediately can find darker skinned actresses
yess i’ve always realized that.
well, let's keep it straight here: black is black. Not all black people, even in the motherland, are on the dark end of the spectrum. One can have issue with colorism while not treating lighter skinned and biracial people like they're "off-brand black" or something, especially when we consider that _colorism isn't even exclusive to light skins who are pale asf!_ Donald Glover benefits from Colorism and he's not even light!
@@chillin5703 ummm that’s not what my point is. I’ll still maintain that there is a huge saturation of ONE type of black woman that is consistently shown in media
@@chillin5703 you mentioned something about off brand black to make this clear biracial is not black. There are light skin black people because we come in different shades ofc but light skin black people are different from bi-racial. The issue is not that we have a problem with bi-racial people or light skin black people but it's that they are mostly only casting light skin black or biracial people. to bind the two as if there are no differences Is the issue. Why combine the two and say "here this will shut them up" when we can have a representation of both. We can't do that if we don't acknowledge that the two are different (there is nothing wrong with being bi-racial, own it) . (the only people that benefit from having a little to no representation is white people, of course they would give us the two in one by killing two birds with one stone) also could you elaborate on donald glover benefitting from colorism cuz...🤔
@@kaiworld5215 this is the dumbest stuff. How do you think light skin black people came into existence? A significant amount of light skinned black people in the US are so because of mixed ancestry, whose results are often indistinguishable from being "mixed" proper (genetically, physically, whatever else). Infact, having "mixed ancestry" might make one more mixed up than a "properly" bi-racial person. Malcolm X had light skin and red hair. Red hair is recessive, that means both of his parents had to carry a copy of the gene. This man was mixed asf.
Get out of here with this, because im sure a massive portion of the "black" Americans who hold this position would be themselves considered "mixed" by ghanians or nigerians or latin americans. If a bi-racial choses not to identify with "black", that's their choice. But propping up these weird gatekeeps for those who share in so many struggles, rooted in the same theory of race, is unproductive.
i resonated so hard with the lady from the conversation you linked / used for this video. i am southeast asian and i cannot describe how much i love regency / period literary works, tv series, and film pieces. i grew up loving jane austen novels, i've watched downton abbey in an unhealthy amount of times, and i've critiqued every period films to know which one i liked best. and because i love it SO much, i've always longed for my race to be represented so that i may "live vicariously through [them]" as eloise bridgerton would've said. upon the announcement of henry golding joining the cast of netflix's adaptation of persuasion, i thought "WOW, finally a regency era male lead of a southeast asian descent!" but apparently he isnt the male lead but the insufferable cousin of the female lead. DISAPPOINTED but i guess i'll take it. it's the closest we could get any asian to star in a period drama.
i have high hopes for the next seasons of bridgerton now that they casted south asians as a female lead. i hope they will include more asians with speaking lines in the future.