Exclusive look at MTA's G train modernization
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- N.J. Burkett has an exclusive look at the MTA's proposed G train repairs.
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G train is the best in terms of where it goes, but the worst in terms of reliability. If it continued north into the bronx it would be the perfect line.
The extension of the g line into the bronx won’t pay back the cost in hundreds of years
It's not bad in terms of reliability. It runs quite on schedule as it mostly runs by itself, only sharing with the F from Bergen Street and south. Could it be more frequent? Sure. But even there, it runs more frequently than about half of the letter lines. Every eight minutes on weekends is better than lines such as the C, D, F, N, and R, for example.
Why would the (G) go to the Bronx anyway? There's already the (B) and (D). Riders have never asked for a (G) extension to the Bronx. It will never happen. Pardon me for my attitude, but it's just the truth.
I don’t think delays are the issue with the G train as I live near there and before the shutdown and delays almost never happened. The real issue I truly believe are the facepalm inducing headways, which can range from 6 to 10 minutes throughout the day. And often those headways can double or even triple, so the first train may come in 5 minutes, and then the next one will come in like 20 minutes.
that's because the g interlines with the f from bergen st to church av and there have to be many more f trains than g trains because the f is busier
100% agree
@@i_am_a_toast_of_french If they deinterlined the G by making the F run solely express on the Culver Line then it would resolve this issue completely. But of course, riders would probably not be ready to embrace that.
Reading this while living in texas where our local train comes every hour 💀
Funny thing is that G is actually one of the newest subway lines in NYC, not the oldest. It was opened from 1933-1937. Not a ton has been built since. But many of the lines which are older have had some sort of signal updates.
The infrastructure is among the oldest. Most of it has never been replaced.
Underground WiFi? 👌🏿
It’s called Communication Based Train Control. Most major subway systems on earth use this. The old system that’s currently used works fine but you never quite sure where the train is exactly. That system can only tell you what section of track is occupied by a train. CBTC makes it possible to have accurate real time information of where any train is. It’s really cool. The reason the 7, L and the G have this is because they don’t share their routes with other train services. This makes installation much simpler. Trains on the Queens Blvd trunk line have it too but that project took much longer to complete.
@@OnanX501 The majority of the MTA's NYCT stations have WiFi availability to the public from the private company Transit Wireless which I believe is owned by BAI Communications. WiFi access is provided by these companies under the auspices of the MTA with internet communications offloaded to any of the major telephone companies server access points located within the subway stations. This only applies to underground stations. The MTA has been slow with providing WiFi access within the tunnels between stations but only two sections that I know of have WiFi access between stations, the L line 14st East River tunnel section between Bedford Avenue and 1st Avenue stations, the 63rd Tunnel under the East River for the F line. I believe that ATT and Verizon are providing cellular service for those sections and you can use WiFi through their cellular access points. CBTC communications between trains and wayside zone controllers do use the same ISM frequency band as the current 2.4GHz WiFi band but are not WiFi. The radio protocols and radio packet negotiations are different. It's more of a machine to machine burst of radio communications that are highly spatially directed meaning the radio energy is physically pointed to wayside receivers for reception and transmission to trains. You cannot pickup this signal through WiFi receivers. MTA does not maintain these access points, contractors do under the auspices of ATT and Verizon.
@@OnanX501 The majority of the MTA's NYCT stations have WiFi availability to the public from the private company Transit Wireless which I believe is owned by BAI Communications. WiFi access is provided by these companies under the auspices of the MTA with internet communications offloaded to any of the major telephone companies server access points located within the subway stations. This only applies to underground stations. The MTA has been slow with providing WiFi access within the tunnels between stations but only two sections that I know of have WiFi access between stations, the L line 14st East River tunnel section between Bedford Avenue and 1st Avenue stations, the 63rd Tunnel under the East River for the F line. I believe that ATT and Verizon are providing cellular service for those sections and you can use WiFi through their cellular access points. CBTC communications between trains and wayside zone controllers do use the same ISM frequency band as the current 2.4GHz WiFi band but are not WiFi. The radio protocols and radio packet negotiations are different. It's more of a machine to machine burst of radio communications that are highly spatially directed meaning the radio energy is physically pointed to wayside receivers for reception and transmission to trains. You cannot pickup this signal through WiFi receivers. MTA does not maintain these access points, contractors do under the auspices of ATT and Verizon.
@@OnanX501 The majority of the MTA's NYCT stations have WiFi availability to the public from the private company Transit Wireless which I believe is owned by BAI Communications. WiFi access is provided by these companies under the auspices of the MTA with internet communications offloaded to any of the major telephone companies server access points located within the subway stations. This only applies to underground stations. The MTA has been slow with providing WiFi access within the tunnels between stations but only two sections that I know of have WiFi access between stations, the L line 14st East River tunnel section between Bedford Avenue and 1st Avenue stations, the 63rd Tunnel under the East River for the F line. I believe that ATT and Verizon are providing cellular service for those sections and you can use WiFi through their cellular access points. CBTC communications between trains and wayside zone controllers do use the same ISM frequency band as the current 2.4GHz WiFi band but are not WiFi. The radio protocols and radio packet negotiations are different. It's more of a machine to machine burst of radio communications that are highly spatially directed meaning the radio energy is physically pointed to wayside receivers for reception and transmission to trains. You cannot pickup this signal through WiFi receivers. MTA does not maintain these access points, contractors do under the auspices of ATT and Verizon.
@@OnanX501 The majority of the MTA's NYCT stations have WiFi availability to the public from the private company Transit Wireless which I believe is owned by BAI Communications. WiFi access is provided by these companies under the auspices of the MTA with internet communications offloaded to any of the major telephone companies server access points located within the subway stations. This only applies to underground stations. The MTA has been slow with providing WiFi access within the tunnels between stations but only two sections that I know of have WiFi access between stations, the L line 14st East River tunnel section between Bedford Avenue and 1st Avenue stations, the 63rd Tunnel under the East River for the F line. I believe that ATT and Verizon are providing cellular service for those sections and you can use WiFi through their cellular access points. CBTC communications between trains and wayside zone controllers do use the same ISM frequency band as the current 2.4GHz WiFi band but are not WiFi. The radio protocols and radio packet negotiations are different. It's more of a machine to machine burst of radio communications that are highly spatially directed meaning the radio energy is physically pointed to wayside receivers for reception and transmission to trains. You cannot pickup this signal through WiFi receivers. MTA does not maintain these access points, contractors do under the auspices of ATT and Verizon.
Of course Hochul f*cked the project. Shocker.
The Capital program has always been funded by the Federal Government not congestion price gouging 😂
Why they always have NJ going in the trenches?
That's NJ's beat.
NJ? What ?
The G train has alway been neglected because it doesn't go to Manhattan where the important people live.
I had to take the E train from Jamaica Center, because someone got drunk and straddled on to the the LIRR tracks and got hit by the train. So I had to take the E train to Penn station. That subway line was so slow. I thought it would take maybe a half-hour, nope almost 90 minutes.
The gs biggest issue will always be that it runs 5 car trains (which is why the f can’t run express full time on culver)
the f can't run more express on culver because there is opposition from the local community, not because g trains are short
Please explain?
That has more to do with the Availability of Equipment which is something that will slowly be resolved with the incoming R-211 Order
It really needed especially I travel from work late nights
My line growing up in Brooklyn. Classon avenue, baby!
They need more cars
they wont add cars... lol I work at court sq....
@@goldie260 Why not though?
There are more than 20 R211 sets operating on the A and C lines right now and more are on the way. They should be able to retire the 50 year old R46 cars soon.
No
@@kobyschechter81635 r46 sets have been retired
its crazy how burkett has been in eyewitness since before 9/11 and hes the one who live showed the 9/11 incident
Remember when both V G and R train went to Forest Hills 71st Street? That was my era when R32 E train and R46 F V G and R were around.
Great overview.
Hey, it's the guy from the 9/11 films
People don’t pay their share it comes to ride the train and buses
As someone that lives near a G train stop, you can never rely on it getting you to work on time unless you leave 2 hours before your shift. I just uber it and pretend it doesn't exist because it basically doesn't.
Are they putting new trains on the G trains once all finished?
Trains using gps is crazyyyy
very groovy! cbtc (communications-based train control). just read about this in john morris's book "subway: the history, curiosities, and secrets of the new york city transit system".
A full shutdown for weeks at a time is the most efficient way to complete this project. If they did shutdowns only on weekends, it would drag on for years and years. It also saves the most money to do all this work in one go. The F and G lines run the R160 fleet exclusively now because they are compatible with the CBTC technology. There's no gain without some pain.
Precisely. Fix everything at once and borrow busses if they need to
That’s the plan of the MTA the switch new signals and no more motorman or conductors train will do all that by itself. How safe will you feel being on this train?
How is modernization bad buddy 🤦♂️
@@piggy8761 When you start laying off workers, that’s how
🤓🤓🤓
Discovered t/ G
For t/ 1st time recently
Had to ride it because
i AM 1 😎
I feel like there’s going to protest against the MTA because every news report about the MTA has most of the comments upset
y the signal lights like been used long time....
the rails aint look new at all
That’s the thing with new rails on any railway.. new rails will often look rusted/covered in some sort of corrosion making them look older, meanwhile older rails may look newer because they have that smooth/ mirror finish on top from the train wheels riding on them.
There's always a G at the end of waiting 😅
....and where is the money comming from? The tolls that will be enforced in manahattan
I thought they didn’t have money ????
They have money, but not enough money to fully fix the system.
2:32 He ist what? The G Train Tsar? That means he will slaughter the workers like a Tsar does?
Les goo CBTC
Only on the media
And here come all the transit experts in the comments you know as usual...
While Janno Lieber acting Chairman and CEO of the MTA gets paid 400k annually, as much if not more than POUS. Yet all this guy does is come out to speak once every few weeks, brings up dumb projects and plans, goes back into the office with the 11 board members to debate on how to raise more money, nothing gets done at the end of the day and they simply drive their nice luxury car back to their million dollar homes.... Oh right, their cars don't get ticketed because have their "special parking permit" on their dashboard
“Nothing gets done”… what do you call all that work being done in the video?
@@metropodbandaids
@@metropodlooks fake to me
@Mrg0ldeneye Apparently you don't know anything about the railroad if you think this work is just Bandaids...
@@nyctransitrailfanWhat looks fake brand new rails and switches?
Big deal. Ut aint like its the only line in the city. What about the D line in The Bronx and irher osrts it yhe city? It's as though only the grntrigied areas get repairs.
The G line runs through worse shithole areas than the Bronx and there's plenty of work being done in the Bronx as well...
MTA SERVICE BUSES BUSES MTA JOE OK HE IS MY FRIEND OK
90% on time is still really bad by global standards
By "Global Standards" It's the only 24hr system in the world 😂
It will be worth it when it's finished.
stop blaming congesting pricing. MTA waste more money. I really like to know why MTA are changing the color of the helmets to brown..They have more, just crying that they do not
The helmets are color coded by which division you work for.
@@metropod I already know that
Wait, you think helmet color is what's causing MTA shortfalls?
@@metropodThose are all contractors...
This is not true, more than just the 7 and L have the new signaling
Nope, L and 7 train are the only ones with CBTC
That’s not true, the EFMR on the queens blvd line have it too
F the MTA, I bet it won't get finished until they ask for more money. Even if the project is already paid for by the city and New Yorker's tax money. They even get federal tax money and the subway is the worst in the world. What a joke.
Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
I like the woman's response that she still lacks confidence in the MTA after installing CBTCs, and she is right. The L train line has been fitted with this and the train on time has been 9 - 12 minutes apart and so is the F line. MTA does not know how to run anything, even with more than enough resources at its disposal.
L trains run every 4min and have for many years. Sometimes on the weekends or at night every 8min.
The F train is a joke.
I'm a NYCT CBTC Specialist who monitors and maintains the L and M line CBTC system. I can assure you that all CBTC equipped trains run within 4 minutes from each other except on weekends and overnights where trains run from 8 minutes apart to 20 minutes overnight. We know where each train is located down to a meter of localization. And the trains don't use GPS for localization the track transponders contain the geographical coordinates of the route which are energized through induction by the overhead running trains. The trains wirelessly radio back their positions to wayside zone controller servers which updated to the CBTC ATS computer system for monitoring. Best thing transit has at the moment for signal modernization.
@@johnnysuazo5666 Ok. It might not be the transponders then. It is probably the lack of quality service from the MTA in general. These past few weeks I've noticed the L train in Lorimer station has been running 9 - 12 mins apart during the morning rush and there weren't any reported incidents.
@@RantRantJoethere are always times when an L train loses its localization and the train loses its autonomous control. The train operator has to manually intervene to maintain the overall train schedule. It's not perfect all the time but it's magnitudes better than the old fixed block signal system which by the way is still supported by the CBTC system in case the system went down which it never has.
@@johnnysuazo5666 the M trains rutinely run every 10-15min, I think that only the L runs every 4min
After the millions and billions spent, it will still look and run like a sh*thole subway. What a failed city.
I take it you have not ridden the L or the 7 in the last decade…
@@metropod compared to Japanese trains, these are bad. Especially when their trains and maintained and renovated at a fraction of what’s spent here.
@@marcuswright8418Japanese built the train in nyc
@@marcuswright8418because America doesnt like trains anymore, ever since the 50-60-70s
We are a nation of NIMBYs who dont want to be taxed for anything
Those societies, western europe and east asia, all are happy to be taxed so that their govt builds something USEFUL for them like public transit.
Be grateful with what we have in the northeast corridor buddy, because you have no idea how bad CA, TX, and FL have it when they desperately need it.
NYC Boston and Chicago, even Atlanta got in before all the NIMBYs ruined it.
It doesn't matter.... Usual Suspects will still behave badly....😊.. just my opinion
so delays arent the problem when they're not even running enough trains to be delayed...
Next train showing arrival time in 27 minutes is NOT a delay. It's an intentional decision the conductors make so they can collect overtime.
something probably happened to the f train for that delay to happen
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Ofc they gonna upgrade the train for the trust fund transplant babies
Not necessarily true. They also made upgrades to the Queens Blvd Line, which stretches east to Jamaica, where a bus link heads to low-income Southeast Queens. Also they made signal upgrades to the Canarsie and Flushing Lines, which also service low-income areas.
What part of the city do you live in and I'll tell you what work is going on there to improve that area this isn't the only work going on in the entire system...
HAHAHAHAHA 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 TAKE IT AS ANOTHER JOKE!
No lot people use G line all of them take L. Train
You should see how packed the G train is
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