Hey everyone, this build order/team build video is meant to show who i would build to help me in the most game modes possible. If u care more about se u could replace pde with mff.
3:20 Mockman can do a lot of stuff on solo and being a good burst hero, he can actually work well with Eloise like Tix normally does. And transition from Eloise as main hero into a tennant is seamless. HHA as second further buffs that trio, by himself being the best Eloise support. Getting those shields on everyone and making the whole group bulkier. I wish that on my OG account I went this immediately, because it would save me a lot of issues with support Aspen (on my baby accounts this worked well). 5:00 TBB is really the best support CC hero right now, so she is kinda always valid to have. Personally I would put her on fourth - if you are F2P, getting the cores can be stressful. Especially as in my opinion you also should be starting on DT for Mockman at this point, especially if you have enough speed either through awaken or treasures, to support him to just nuke through early VC stages. 5:40 The thing is - for F2P, directly from my experience, it takes time to gain enough CoT for next hero - which is perfect moment to push for the Aranea resources. Not gonna lie - on one account where I went Aranea over Aylamak first, especially when it comes to getting all the fun sublims, there was no major difference in progress. It has to be noted - that if you have the resources (especially as they give more free sublimation these days over core chests) - the Mockman-Aylamak-Aranea trio suddenly becomes really bulky and allows for more defensive approach to Mockman, which is helpful against Eloise or Mihm stages. And both tennant buffs make the nuke approach more secured. This with first DT level on Mockman easily can push up to free campaign DT materials income. With addition of TBB (or Aranea) as fourth, with all the new buffs and resources you gain through stages 2-X-X and 3-X-X, you can get go 4-X-X, with no overwhelming struggle. Especially, if you can get more resources and VC or speed treasures along the way. 6:20 F2P have a lot of cores. If you are at 3rd Trans - you actively had over a year, likely almost two of playing. And now TBB's core is in all the chests, not just in the newest events. Stacking all the cores for her and Mockman shouldn't be an issue. Mind you now core chests dropped one reward stage - sometimes given after artifact chests, but before sublimation (cores got pushed down by the new holy artifacts). 6:55 Hopefully they give us core swaps this Anniversary, but if not - just know that you should commit. Pick Mockman cores and just commit to him. The buffs for him are not drastic, but significant and can help you get to later stages, including ones that give you shards for other heroes (like Aranea or Ayalamak). It's good to utilise it before you fully focus on using TBB's core or in cases, where you split your teams or use him on solo. 8:50 F2P at four trans can support both TBB and Mockman's DT, what is it - five cores? Easily. 9:55 My argument is that - you have time, a lot of time as F2P or low-spender. That's enough events to fully push Aranea to the maximum support. Like you won't be getting her on DT yet, but other skills and bulk apply. Especially as you don't need any investment into TBB. For me the fifth would be Halora, for the previously mentioned buffs and then DGN. Unless Alakita throws whole thing around, which is possible, because she likely will bring speed buff and debuff support and we are getting new burst artifact, that may make Mockman even more deadly. The other thing is that even if they did finally make treasure train more viable for F2P - it's still not good buff source for F2P. At least not at 2-3 trans. You need more time to push through it, than getting free sublimation from events and chests. For BQA, you can go fully into the festival skin, X-levels and armour and you gonna get that more damage than Onikimaru could provide. And then with more subs, her CC, healing, buffs and shields become relevant. It's slowly stops being extra 700k and becomes few millions, which is a difference for Mockman of pushing certain levels or not. 11:40 The thing is - TBB's CC just shuts a lot of that already. And around 5-6-7 trans I already expect to have enough resources and cores to DT Aranea for the extra stuff she gets there. I just don't like the idea of suddenly quitting the general playstyle of focusing on the main hero and putting everything into him. For me the dissonance is in how fast P2W get their CoT and other supplies. It's just that you have a lot time between every time you get a new trans hero - enough to actually build upon them. So for me it's logical to maximise the home as fast as I can and still get all the benefits of all the other support heroes after BQA.
Awesome video. Only thing I would change is if you are free to play, build aylamak first so you can do the middle row glory challenge with eloise, instead of needing to regress mockman
I really liked this Vid my main is an MFG user and I plan to use SSM on my F2P alt this really helps cuz the path i would have taken wouldn't have gone this way
I feel like SWJ is getting left out , she can be used as a tenant as well and is a great combo with Betty to CC everything for Mockman to smack. I do agree not matter what hero you build your going to need Hunter Space early or Vessa if you really want but either way Hunter Space doesn't do a ton a of dmg even with a lot of stats so you can build him on his own and he will do the same for your team until you start getting more. Everything said in the video made sense though and not knocking it. I forgot , the other option is to make Mockman , Hunter Space and Sword Flash Xia. That way you can still power boost Mockman with 2 trans heroes asap and SFX is great for "clean up" after Mockman hits to pick out the weak targets left. I wouldn't go past v4 with her but again she is another hero that can do a lot early game at V4. Sorry last thing , it kind of doesn't matter about saving core chests since the newest ones will only be in the last one or 2 chests you have anyway. Right now , Betty cores are a pretty safe bet same for really any hero that can be used at this point with the way destiny works which is something to to be worries about early game and this rant has gine long enough. (not the video the Game)
My current lineup is SQH (HO2), HHA (HO4), SSM DT3 (main HO), MFF (tenant), PDE (HO3), SWJ (tenant). Like you said the main gatekeeper is cores (+subs for me) and I figured to DT SQH which is fully subbed with 1 star core. I guess my problem is a bit with the SWJ (Tree maxed + some subs+ 1*core) who was my main before SSM and other is MFF (Tree 100 + some subs). Probably the issue for is how to pivot from SWJ and MFF
Well depending on your train and stuff, u could just swap jarha to a different hero u may need, and replace jarha with HHA as SSM tenant. But your HHA may not be strong enough to support ur team without his home idk. If he only gains a little bit of stats as a homeowner, I would just use him as SSM tenant.
Hey Brownie, awesome Stuff! I am a SSM Main with 5 Trans (SSM, SWJ, SFX, SQH, PDE). Would you recommend swapping SWJ and SFX -> to SHA and BQA? Thx for youre time and advice!
I would swap swj to HHA for sure, but u don't need to swap to bqa yet. She becomes the better tenant when destiny comes into play. But u could if you want to. No harm in it except the soul symbols loss.
Awesome video. There is no information that clearly explains and goes indepth of what team you should build haveing mockman. I'm glad to know I'm going in the right direction. That being said. I wana help my guild in SE, so out of the 6 heros, who could I swap for mff? If it's even worth it.
If u wanna help in SE more I'd replace PDE for mff probably, since they do similar things. With cc protection, dodge, etc. and yea the video wasn't meant to be super in depth because everyone has different goals and what not. So I wanted to show the heroes/team I would build to compete as best I can in all game modes.
Honestly idk it's been so long and so many power creeps have happened since I did chapter 2. Also depends how much bonus u get on ur server from hollow campaign clears.
Hey Brownie I have a D1 a tier mockman f2p my lineup is mockman, hha, lfa(a tier), sqh and pde and I'm wondering who I should build next I was thinking Aranea to get mockman more attack as he's 9.4mil but what would you recommend
Yea u could go with bqa since u have lfa for some cc. You could also think about DGN. But either one is good. I'd make those the next 2 u build. Bqa and DGN
How much healing does Elena actually do in the destiny lvs cause I had her at t5 no subs and a tenant and I never relied on her for heals always the dodge and cc stuff but I no longer have her and eventually will have the exact same lineup you said but no Elena but aranea just wondering if she has to be destiny to work
Once your able to sublime Elena especially her active, she will start healing ur team a ton. It works by healing them every dodge they do on top of her other heals. But yea she needs those subs.
Hi brownie, Thanks for the video. Iam a SSM main and i have 8 trans (t5-ssm,t2-squ,e5-pde,t5-hha,t2-tbb,t5-bqa,t5-swj,t5-mff) so i was having hha as a tenant for ssm but as f2p the shield is soo weak so i get swj as replacement for him and hha have a house now to get more attack for the shields and with that i don't have dgn or the trans for hha house so what is the best to do next? Iam at 4-6-2 now Thank you very much. 🙏
At what point does Eloise become a non factor? I have Blood Betty maxed and soon a Fear Aspen. Working on Natalia and Gaggie. Should I Regress her for food now, or wait til I have a full Transendance team?
Once you have ur damage dealer trans hero and some supports around them u can get rid of her, however she may be a tenant for a hero u wanna use. And she can be helpful in seal land for awhile. I still have my Eloise lol cause she is SSM tenant.
I would suggest , as f2p, if u don't have a spare core chest u can build a Lofa, his fear is really helpful with mockman , and once u have a spare core chest u swap him for tbb
I did that early on, then switch LFA for BQA and it was a huge improvement. Only boss performance took a dive, but at that stage it wassn't a big hit on ressource generation.
So I have SSM, HHA, SQH, DGN, & a surge lvl 100 LFA. Should I swap LFA for a TTB when I can get her core? Even though I have a decent investment in aspen? Will it Get me more progress in void campaign(currently at 3,1)?
As always love the mockman videos. But like previous comment what mff. Im stuck on boss 1 lvl 9. And boss 3 lvl 6. I think i need mff and dgn to beat them. But not sure. My mockman is at 35 mil. Currently running him. Lofa. Sqh. Tbb. Hha. And Pde.
Hey everyone, this build order/team build video is meant to show who i would build to help me in the most game modes possible. If u care more about se u could replace pde with mff.
3:20 Mockman can do a lot of stuff on solo and being a good burst hero, he can actually work well with Eloise like Tix normally does. And transition from Eloise as main hero into a tennant is seamless.
HHA as second further buffs that trio, by himself being the best Eloise support. Getting those shields on everyone and making the whole group bulkier. I wish that on my OG account I went this immediately, because it would save me a lot of issues with support Aspen (on my baby accounts this worked well).
5:00 TBB is really the best support CC hero right now, so she is kinda always valid to have. Personally I would put her on fourth - if you are F2P, getting the cores can be stressful. Especially as in my opinion you also should be starting on DT for Mockman at this point, especially if you have enough speed either through awaken or treasures, to support him to just nuke through early VC stages.
5:40 The thing is - for F2P, directly from my experience, it takes time to gain enough CoT for next hero - which is perfect moment to push for the Aranea resources. Not gonna lie - on one account where I went Aranea over Aylamak first, especially when it comes to getting all the fun sublims, there was no major difference in progress. It has to be noted - that if you have the resources (especially as they give more free sublimation these days over core chests) - the Mockman-Aylamak-Aranea trio suddenly becomes really bulky and allows for more defensive approach to Mockman, which is helpful against Eloise or Mihm stages. And both tennant buffs make the nuke approach more secured.
This with first DT level on Mockman easily can push up to free campaign DT materials income.
With addition of TBB (or Aranea) as fourth, with all the new buffs and resources you gain through stages 2-X-X and 3-X-X, you can get go 4-X-X, with no overwhelming struggle. Especially, if you can get more resources and VC or speed treasures along the way.
6:20 F2P have a lot of cores. If you are at 3rd Trans - you actively had over a year, likely almost two of playing. And now TBB's core is in all the chests, not just in the newest events. Stacking all the cores for her and Mockman shouldn't be an issue. Mind you now core chests dropped one reward stage - sometimes given after artifact chests, but before sublimation (cores got pushed down by the new holy artifacts).
6:55 Hopefully they give us core swaps this Anniversary, but if not - just know that you should commit. Pick Mockman cores and just commit to him. The buffs for him are not drastic, but significant and can help you get to later stages, including ones that give you shards for other heroes (like Aranea or Ayalamak). It's good to utilise it before you fully focus on using TBB's core or in cases, where you split your teams or use him on solo.
8:50 F2P at four trans can support both TBB and Mockman's DT, what is it - five cores? Easily.
9:55 My argument is that - you have time, a lot of time as F2P or low-spender. That's enough events to fully push Aranea to the maximum support. Like you won't be getting her on DT yet, but other skills and bulk apply. Especially as you don't need any investment into TBB. For me the fifth would be Halora, for the previously mentioned buffs and then DGN. Unless Alakita throws whole thing around, which is possible, because she likely will bring speed buff and debuff support and we are getting new burst artifact, that may make Mockman even more deadly.
The other thing is that even if they did finally make treasure train more viable for F2P - it's still not good buff source for F2P. At least not at 2-3 trans. You need more time to push through it, than getting free sublimation from events and chests.
For BQA, you can go fully into the festival skin, X-levels and armour and you gonna get that more damage than Onikimaru could provide. And then with more subs, her CC, healing, buffs and shields become relevant. It's slowly stops being extra 700k and becomes few millions, which is a difference for Mockman of pushing certain levels or not.
11:40 The thing is - TBB's CC just shuts a lot of that already. And around 5-6-7 trans I already expect to have enough resources and cores to DT Aranea for the extra stuff she gets there. I just don't like the idea of suddenly quitting the general playstyle of focusing on the main hero and putting everything into him. For me the dissonance is in how fast P2W get their CoT and other supplies. It's just that you have a lot time between every time you get a new trans hero - enough to actually build upon them. So for me it's logical to maximise the home as fast as I can and still get all the benefits of all the other support heroes after BQA.
Awesome video. Only thing I would change is if you are free to play, build aylamak first so you can do the middle row glory challenge with eloise, instead of needing to regress mockman
Yea I wasnt rly thinking about glory challenge stuff when making this.
Awesome! thank you for the guide Brownie
No problem man!
I really liked this Vid my main is an MFG user and I plan to use SSM on my F2P alt this really helps cuz the path i would have taken wouldn't have gone this way
I feel like SWJ is getting left out , she can be used as a tenant as well and is a great combo with Betty to CC everything for Mockman to smack. I do agree not matter what hero you build your going to need Hunter Space early or Vessa if you really want but either way Hunter Space doesn't do a ton a of dmg even with a lot of stats so you can build him on his own and he will do the same for your team until you start getting more. Everything said in the video made sense though and not knocking it.
I forgot , the other option is to make Mockman , Hunter Space and Sword Flash Xia. That way you can still power boost Mockman with 2 trans heroes asap and SFX is great for "clean up" after Mockman hits to pick out the weak targets left. I wouldn't go past v4 with her but again she is another hero that can do a lot early game at V4.
Sorry last thing , it kind of doesn't matter about saving core chests since the newest ones will only be in the last one or 2 chests you have anyway. Right now , Betty cores are a pretty safe bet same for really any hero that can be used at this point with the way destiny works which is something to to be worries about early game and this rant has gine long enough. (not the video the Game)
Thanks for the video, really interesting. What's your opinion of Freya nowadays? In the past i seem to remember she featured on lots of your teams?
She is still a great hero. I still use her a lot but mostly against bosses for big damage
My current lineup is SQH (HO2), HHA (HO4), SSM DT3 (main HO), MFF (tenant), PDE (HO3), SWJ (tenant). Like you said the main gatekeeper is cores (+subs for me) and I figured to DT SQH which is fully subbed with 1 star core. I guess my problem is a bit with the SWJ (Tree maxed + some subs+ 1*core) who was my main before SSM and other is MFF (Tree 100 + some subs). Probably the issue for is how to pivot from SWJ and MFF
Well depending on your train and stuff, u could just swap jarha to a different hero u may need, and replace jarha with HHA as SSM tenant. But your HHA may not be strong enough to support ur team without his home idk. If he only gains a little bit of stats as a homeowner, I would just use him as SSM tenant.
Awesome video! Just what i needed 🙏 How would you prioritize homes? I was thinking SSM->DGN->maybe PDE before SQH? 😁
DGN is definitely a good choice. But u'll want at least part of a home for queen so she can be faster then SSM to boost his damage.
@@browniegames865 Thank you for the answer 😍 Do you run HP/Block stone on all of your supports?
@@jeppebaekjensen8681 nah cause I use speed stones or attack stones if they are tenants. It depends on their role. U could do hp block
Hey Brownie, awesome Stuff! I am a SSM Main with 5 Trans (SSM, SWJ, SFX, SQH, PDE). Would you recommend swapping SWJ and SFX -> to SHA and BQA? Thx for youre time and advice!
I would swap swj to HHA for sure, but u don't need to swap to bqa yet. She becomes the better tenant when destiny comes into play. But u could if you want to. No harm in it except the soul symbols loss.
Awesome video. There is no information that clearly explains and goes indepth of what team you should build haveing mockman. I'm glad to know I'm going in the right direction. That being said. I wana help my guild in SE, so out of the 6 heros, who could I swap for mff? If it's even worth it.
this is how i am right now. i like SSM as main but I want to do better in SE
If u wanna help in SE more I'd replace PDE for mff probably, since they do similar things. With cc protection, dodge, etc. and yea the video wasn't meant to be super in depth because everyone has different goals and what not. So I wanted to show the heroes/team I would build to compete as best I can in all game modes.
i have ssm,bqa, and hha and im on chapter 2-2-1 is that good enough or should i be further on void campaign but im loving it so far!
Honestly idk it's been so long and so many power creeps have happened since I did chapter 2. Also depends how much bonus u get on ur server from hollow campaign clears.
Hey Brownie I have a D1 a tier mockman f2p my lineup is mockman, hha, lfa(a tier), sqh and pde and I'm wondering who I should build next I was thinking Aranea to get mockman more attack as he's 9.4mil but what would you recommend
Yea u could go with bqa since u have lfa for some cc. You could also think about DGN. But either one is good. I'd make those the next 2 u build. Bqa and DGN
@browniegames865 alright thanks DGN is tempting but I think I'll be going aranea then dgn for now
How much healing does Elena actually do in the destiny lvs cause I had her at t5 no subs and a tenant and I never relied on her for heals always the dodge and cc stuff but I no longer have her and eventually will have the exact same lineup you said but no Elena but aranea just wondering if she has to be destiny to work
Once your able to sublime Elena especially her active, she will start healing ur team a ton. It works by healing them every dodge they do on top of her other heals. But yea she needs those subs.
Hi brownie,
Thanks for the video.
Iam a SSM main and i have 8 trans (t5-ssm,t2-squ,e5-pde,t5-hha,t2-tbb,t5-bqa,t5-swj,t5-mff) so i was having hha as a tenant for ssm but as f2p the shield is soo weak so i get swj as replacement for him and hha have a house now to get more attack for the shields and with that i don't have dgn or the trans for hha house so what is the best to do next?
Iam at 4-6-2 now
Thank you very much. 🙏
You can do that if u have the resources to support HHA in a home. It can take a lot to give a homeowner enough stats from the tenants.
At what point does Eloise become a non factor? I have Blood Betty maxed and soon a Fear Aspen. Working on Natalia and Gaggie. Should I Regress her for food now, or wait til I have a full Transendance team?
Once you have ur damage dealer trans hero and some supports around them u can get rid of her, however she may be a tenant for a hero u wanna use. And she can be helpful in seal land for awhile. I still have my Eloise lol cause she is SSM tenant.
How much fixed attack would you say needed in train to skip BQA?
It depends how strong the home is. A low lvl home won't give much and will be easy to get more power from train.
I would suggest , as f2p, if u don't have a spare core chest u can build a Lofa, his fear is really helpful with mockman , and once u have a spare core chest u swap him for tbb
Yea that sounds good for f2p
I did that early on, then switch LFA for BQA and it was a huge improvement. Only boss performance took a dive, but at that stage it wassn't a big hit on ressource generation.
So I have SSM, HHA, SQH, DGN, & a surge lvl 100 LFA. Should I swap LFA for a TTB when I can get her core? Even though I have a decent investment in aspen? Will it Get me more progress in void campaign(currently at 3,1)?
It probably would TBB with her core can just trivialize so much of campaign.
@@browniegames865 sweet,,Thankyou for the response! Hopefully they’ll finally do a core swap for anniversary😭
What would u recommend for a second/third homeowner after u max SSM tenants ?
I'd go for sqh or DGN. just get sqh a home that lets her gain enough speed to be faster then SSM.
@@browniegames865 awesome thanks alot!
As always love the mockman videos. But like previous comment what mff. Im stuck on boss 1 lvl 9. And boss 3 lvl 6. I think i need mff and dgn to beat them. But not sure. My mockman is at 35 mil. Currently running him. Lofa. Sqh. Tbb. Hha. And Pde.
Yea mff will be a big help with those fights especially the third boss, the extra dodge provided by her and PDE is really really helpful.
How do you feel about building lord of fear aspen first
He is great to build. It's all about what u enjoy in the end. Lofa is fun and there's a ton of info out there on how to build a Lofa account.