Hey Tim Thank you so much for this video. As a Swiss, it makes me so proud to hear your praise. I wll honor my late father's K31 as long as I live, with witch he stood at the the Swiss border for 3 years during WW2, defending my country against the Nazis. When I die, I will hand it over to my son, who will continue to hold the flag from our proud Swiss family. Also love all your other videos, especially if they are about guns from my country. (E.g. me as a proud owner of a Sphinx SDP Compact too, as well as my own Swiss Army Service Rifle StGw 90 / SIG 550.) Please keep going with your great work! A big fan from Switzerland Andy
Love the Swiss straight pulls, that beer keg charging handle is awesome. I don't think you talk too much, listening and learning about firearms is way more interesting than hurting the ears while watching someone shoot for 20 minutes 😂
britska radiometeorograph Agree, listening to someone tell me the same vague reason they like something 17 different ways or watching endless range session with no actual fact or insight I’d booooooring! Tim always packs in details I don have to research if I’m interested in a firearm.
That carbine really jumps up off of that pack when you fire it. A friend has a K1911 that he is selling to make room in his safe. Rather than trying to convince him to buy a bigger safe I decided the easiest way for me to help him was to buy the K1911. Can't wait to get it in a few weeks.
I've got a very nice 1958 vintage K31. Love it! It was cool meeting you up at NRAAM and thank you for the I voted for Adam pin you pulled off your hat and MAC patch you gave me at the round table event. Keep the videos coming Tim!
My grandad was issued the G11 in 1915, this remained his rifle to 1947 when she finished his days as reservist, my dad got his K31 in 1957. Sadly none of the rifles remained in the family but I managed to get hold of the models in recent years. The name for the G11 with the troops was the Mahogany Flute, or in german "Mahagoni Flöte".
Anybody can shoot guns, but it's the talking parts that make us endeared to a particular channel. The Military Arms Channel is the perfect blend of pew pew and conversation.
Already a long time subscriber and patreon supporter. As long as you keep the cool guns coming, I'll be happy to support you! Thank you for your service.
I was lucky and got one of the ones with matching serial number bayonet from Classic. My only disappointment was no troop tag (my K31 didn't have one either).
ritterbruder212 I got a spare. Rare to get original ones again. The metal one should do you fine. Also we you replace the nob check for rust. My replacement handle had a lot of small pitting. You want to get that off.
*Miguel Hernandez* There is a sticker on my K31 that someone told me awhile back meant that it was in a shooting match in Switzerland. I made a small video showing the M1911 I got at Classic, letting people know about the deal, while also showing my K31. Someone actually from Switzerland told me that sticker was actually the coat of arms for one of the cantons (basically the same as one of our states) and this was akin to someone from Texas putting a Lone Star sticker on their AR. Good Info to have... I am still leaving the sticker on.
I have two of these and I'm reluctant to give one to my buddy because theyre just so nice! EDIT: Also worthy mention the POSITIVE ejection on these guns, so cool
Those rifles have excellent primary extraction. The locking lugs and their grooves are slightly helical, giving about a 20-fold advantage towards the charging handle during the phase where the bolt unlocks.
I also had a troupe tag in my K-31. Made a copy of it and sent it to the Swiss Consultant in San Francisco. They tracked down the family of the man that owned it. I asked if they would like their grandfather’s rifle back. They didn’t want it.
Oleg Molot kind act but the reason it probably got into your hands is because they didn't want it and the family isn't active in shooting. Only now are the Swiss sports shooters starting to realize that the old milsurp are better than the modern stuff they have.
I have one .... sporterized by someone back in the 1950s ...... chamber has been shortened and recut to 300 Savage. Makes a nice little deer rifle. Back in the 1990s when I bought it I sure got some strange looks from people at the range. Had more then a few people ask me what broke on my semi auto that I had to rack the slide after each shot.
I also got a really nice "P" 96/11 from the recent Classic Firearms offering. The rifle had a little extra surprise for me as it came with one of the Swiss Lienhard subcaliber inserts inside it. Definite shout out to the informative Bloke on the Range channel for having videos on that subcaliber system or I would have been completely lost as to what was happening. Scary how fast Bloke just got smacked by UA-cam and thankfully many of the other firearm channels and fans helped get Bloke back up and running today.
Absolutely the Rolex of bolt rifles. And yes, everything about them demands you do your part, no halfway measures. That was the mindset of the Swiss, at that point in time. Recoil is authoritative, as are my Mosins, no lightweights allowed. They demand you do your part, to be worthy of that degree of accuracy.
Wow nice stock on he G11. If I could own only one rifle. It would be my K11. Probably not practical because of ammo but who cares. Sold my K31 and bought another K11. I just like them better.
They are excellent rifles. Even in Italy they are very popular and appreciated for their precision of manufacture. With the GP 11 ammunition are very accurate.
Cool Video, Miss the days where it was a 3 hour drive to the range in Switzerland from my apartment in Germany. Ammo was $0.17 per round on the range. Have a K-31 with diopter sights as I used to shoot with Swiss matches. I also have a G-96/11. I am also left handed just have to roll a little while chambering a round. Match shooting is done in prone.
I got my e-mail and my 1911 I should be able to pick up tomorrow...Can't find any GP 11 ammo though so I had to settle for some Privi?...The blue box stuff..
mike C you can convert to shoot boxer but that's a little bit of work. I got some GP11 that I can convert but I need to get some things to do the conversion.
John Deeter Prvi is good. GP11 is getting hard to find and if you reload it's a little hard to reload. I say Prvi is fine. People make GP11 seem like the greatest ammo out for the Swiss rifles. It's really good for milsurp ammo but you can handload better.
sherm dog they made a lot of straight pulls the cheapest is the M95 (hard to get ammo for), the Ross is a very good straight pull, and then you have the Swiss rifles. Anything not updated for the 1911 ammo (GP11 and 7.5x55) is not safe for it. The early Swiss straight pulls use a 7.5x53.5 which isn't made anymore and moat be handmade.
I think it tells something about the way the Swiss make their stuff that the GP11 is now what.. 107 year-old load.(?) and it is still very viable, accurate, ballistically efficient and a powerful cartridge.. Kinda like the 1905-load of the German 8x57IS with the 153gr spitzer.. Same thing goes with the workmanship of the weapons.. I read somewhere that if there was to be built a military rifle with the same standards of quality and fitting than a let's say a Mauser G98, the cost of manufacture would rise up to 5-6K/$-range.. 6 grand rifles to conscripts to fuck around with.. :D
Like said "read from somewhere", I don't recall exactly.. Could have been Canadian dollars..? However I do find that 2000$ kinda low for that's a normal price for today's quality rifle.. Sauers, Blasers, Mausers and Sakos and Kimbers of today start at around 2000-3000+€ instead of dollars but of course there is a profit margin added. Even an FN SCAR costs more than 2000 bucks and it has alloys and plastics in it and practically no handwork.. Same with the Sig 550-series.. The price what it used to cost back in the days of early 1900's is very likely that 2000-3000$ per rifle in today's money.. But what it would cost to manufacture one NOW according the same standards of manufacturing and precision is another calculation. It is like having a rifle built by a gunsmith. And then giving it to raw recruits in mass armies to abuse and mishandle.. :D
Go on dumb question to ask. Connor's comment about ejection. When you turn the bolt on a regular bolt action you're kinda helping the case ease out of the chamber. With these you just yank straight back. (No quotation marks as I'm not sure I've got him verbatim) OK so you're yanking straight back but as you still have locking lugs to disengage then surely the end of the bolt with the ejector on still turns? I thought that was the clever thing about the Swiss action. It uses cams to allow the pull and push to provide the required 1/4 turn of a bolt with a simplified hand action. No practical experience (UK resident) but was listening to what was said and I thought, "I don't get that at all."
You’re actually right. I didn’t want to correct him but a straight pull does intact have a rotating bolt. The bolt handle on a rifle like the Mauser does give you a bit more leverage IMHO when working a stuck case out whereas the straight pulls are more abrupt when you man handle them and can rip rims off. I can’t say this is a common issue and therefore rather moot. But back to your point they both do in fact rotate/cam into and out of lockup. Thanks for the post.
Thanks for the prompt reply. I'll take my moment of glory while I can because I'm sure to ask questions where I miss the point entirely. I've got some interest in a subject of which I have virtually no practical knowledge but at the moment fortunate enough to have access to many educational content creators. Perhaps more accurately film or documentary makers in the non UA-cam world. UA-cam does have lot of parallels to prehistoric normal TV. A lot of it is moving wallpaper or cheap dross that exists only for; ad revenue, product promotion fees, phone line promotion, etc, etc, etc Ad Astra. (as another YT presenter is fond of saying) However hidden in all that dogshit are true gold nuggets. If you are watching one of these channels then it's only common courtesy to sit up straight and listen to what they are saying. Hence why I was listening intently. I'm sad about current YT attitudes because I've only found a lot of the nuggets by accident and I fear I'll miss many more before I find them if they're hounded out by YT or just can't afford to produce content because they're being shafted out of ad revenue.
400 USD?!? I bought three in 2010 for 240 Swiss Francs with bajonett. Here in Switzerland the offering price is still at the most 250 Francs, today about 275 USD (December 2023 rate).
U.s. special operations looking to move some of their rifles into 6.5 creedmoore . very cool good amount more range and less windrift for Afghanistan and beyond. Wonder if theyll make a 6.5 with a A1 type projectile. Idk how set in stone it is. Or if its fake news or old news haha
convex I heard the same news too but the issue I find is are they testing different barrel lengths? From what I've heard of the 6.5 creedmore is it's performance depends on a 20" or 24" barrel any shorter than that ballistics and trejectory suffer due to lack of velocity. Who knows it may cause the military to adopt bullpups to maintain barrel length but they handle different cost more to make and are generally not southpaw/weak side friendly
Tim, enjoyed the video. It would be interesting to see which bolt action would shoot faster and more accurate. Swiss 1931, Mauser, Nagant, Enfield, Springfield, and whatever other WW1 or WW2, you might like to add in. Call it, "The MAC, Mad Minute."
Hey man, can you make a Ljungman video? I know IV8888 and a few others made a video, but it would be really cool if we could hear your opinion. Especially since you sounded really passionate about it with Erik when you mentioned that it is one of your favorite rifles.
Military Arms Channel Then it would be PERFECT! You could show the evolution of the ljungman design. They are soaring in price. They range from $1,200-1,800. So I bought one recently and am having troubles finding ammunition. Perhaps you could explain how to feed the rifle without reloading. Thanks brother!
Its interesting how you have different amo than we here in germany, from a sealent standpoint on the bullet. We just have a standart strong krimp on the bullet.
I love my K31 walnut stock and i plan on keeping it. Better get more GP11 ammo now since there's probably gonna be a run on it now after this video haha
Love my K11. I don't think the recoil is that bad- it's stout, but not on the level of something like a No. 5, Berthier carbine, or the M95 Steyr carbine (another neat straight pull rifle). I'm not super pleased with the giant billboard import mark on the 1911 rifle, but that condition is superb. I've heard that troop tags on the earlier 1911 rifles and carbines are much less common, but my K11 had one - it belonged to a Dragoon with the last name of Bosch; born in August of 1907.
I thought I heard you say that you can’t reload the brass? If so, I’m curious why. I have a K1911 that was converted into a carbine and I reload for it. There obviously isn’t a lot of brass for it on the ground at the range so I bought a couple of hundred of Norma brass and have been reloading for about a year. I found the load data that’s as close to GP11 and follow it.
Peter Averink please don't. If something breaks it will be hard to get parts for and they also didn't make a 1 million k11 or k31 so it's not like a Mosin. Many have been destroy, sporterized and so on. No reason to do that when the Swiss did there own test.
While the K31s are worth more now and more sought after, it's the K11s and G11s that are going to be worth more in the future. They made a lot of K31s, but no where near as many K11s and not many G11s at all. Those are the ones that will be super collectable, especially ones that haven't been messed with. So many Swiss rifles have had their stocks sanded or had the dents steamed out. They don't look right.
I always love to watch these rifle. But there's some points I'd like to correct. The bolt changed on the G89/96, the locking lugs moved from the rear to the middle, and the bolt didn't change until the K31. The calibre changed on the G11 and K11, switching from GP90 [GP90/03 precisely] to GP11. The older G89/96 where then converted into G96/11, almost identical to the G11. And weak primary extraction ? Not on these straight pull. The locking lugs are angled for a reason, the primary extraction is very powerful on Schmidt and Furrer designs. The 1893 Cavalry Carbine is another story. It's a Mannlicher design, with no primary extraction. Check Bloke on the range channel and his video series on swiss straight pull, and swisswaffen.com for more detailed photos of each guns
There are several manufacturers making 7.5 brass. I wouldn't exactly call it rare when you can buy it new from Norma, Prvi, or RUAG, expensive yeah for sure but rare no.
That extraction was so positive that it cured my depression
Hey Tim
Thank you so much for this video.
As a Swiss, it makes me so proud to hear your praise. I wll honor my late father's K31 as long as I live, with witch he stood at the the Swiss border for 3 years during WW2, defending my country against the Nazis.
When I die, I will hand it over to my son, who will continue to hold the flag from our proud Swiss family.
Also love all your other videos, especially if they are about guns from my country. (E.g. me as a proud owner of a Sphinx SDP Compact too, as well as my own Swiss Army Service Rifle StGw 90 / SIG 550.)
Please keep going with your great work!
A big fan from Switzerland
Andy
Andy R. Everything Swiss made is worth its weight in gold
Love the Swiss straight pulls, that beer keg charging handle is awesome.
I don't think you talk too much, listening and learning about firearms is way more interesting than hurting the ears while watching someone shoot for 20 minutes 😂
britska radiometeorograph Agree, listening to someone tell me the same vague reason they like something 17 different ways or watching endless range session with no actual fact or insight I’d booooooring! Tim always packs in details I don have to research if I’m interested in a firearm.
I agree it's nice to learn about all the different military rifles and whatever else he may show us. And their enthusiasm is contagious.
MAC don't look like much, actually he looks a little rough and disreputable, but his speaking skills are top drawer.
Talk away, Sir.
Where did he get the swiss ammo?
Is there a scope mount/base for the swiss 7.5 mm? The carbine model 1911??
That's a very satisfying sound from each shot fired.
Love my k31, shooting that surplus ammo in it is a dream
That carbine really jumps up off of that pack when you fire it. A friend has a K1911 that he is selling to make room in his safe. Rather than trying to convince him to buy a bigger safe I decided the easiest way for me to help him was to buy the K1911. Can't wait to get it in a few weeks.
good advice, lol
@@A.Chp-Schweppes I thought it was. lol. Worked out for both of us.
The Sound it makes when You cycle it is just amazing!
I've got a very nice 1958 vintage K31. Love it! It was cool meeting you up at NRAAM and thank you for the I voted for Adam pin you pulled off your hat and MAC patch you gave me at the round table event. Keep the videos coming Tim!
My grandad was issued the G11 in 1915, this remained his rifle to 1947 when she finished his days as reservist, my dad got his K31 in 1957.
Sadly none of the rifles remained in the family but I managed to get hold of the models in recent years.
The name for the G11 with the troops was the Mahogany Flute, or in german "Mahagoni Flöte".
Anybody can shoot guns, but it's the talking parts that make us endeared to a particular channel. The Military Arms Channel is the perfect blend of pew pew and conversation.
Thank you, it really means a lot.
That seasoned lefty knew to move his thumb while cycling. I llearned the hard way on that with my father's k31.
Look closely, you will see his left thumb bleeding towards the end of the video. 😀
Shot this in germany. One of the Best rifles i've ever fired.
i handled one of these rifles, and it was my first experience with a straight pull bolt. i wish i bought the rifle.
Look under the buttplate.
I picked up a k31 it has a tag with the name year and address of the previous holder of the rifle.
oldredcoonhound I got a k11 and k31 but no troop tag sadly.
Just checked my K11 and sure enough there was a tag with a name and year.
I had a 1945 K31 that had 2...same name but one from tank div and one for motorcycle div with later date.
LOVE my K31, so dam well built !!!
Those look to be in great shape. Nice to see a video on a much underrated rifle.
Best MAC episode ever. I'm still waiting for my K31, so this was an absolute treat! The new microphone is great.
Thank you I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Ya gotta love these Swiss rifles/carbine's. Nice shooting guns for sure! I have a K-31 and it is as good as you're showing it here.
They are amazing rifles for sure.
Cool stuff
Alaskan Ballistics no shit I want one now
I just bought the K1911 carbine from Cabela's, shipping to me soon.
Such a great looking rifle. The Swiss craftsmanship is superb, just like their watches.
Just bought an 1896/11 from Classic Firearms. Thanks for the video, I've been looking for a good video on the 1911 pattern rifles.
I’m glad you got one! You’ll love it.
Military Arms Channel are there any weird things I should watch out for?
Already a long time subscriber and patreon supporter. As long as you keep the cool guns coming, I'll be happy to support you! Thank you for your service.
Thank you!!
I was lucky and got one of the ones with matching serial number bayonet from Classic. My only disappointment was no troop tag (my K31 didn't have one either).
I didn't act fast enough!
Milsurp Mike Channel same here. I got a k31 and a k11 but no troop.
ritterbruder212 I got a spare. Rare to get original ones again. The metal one should do you fine. Also we you replace the nob check for rust. My replacement handle had a lot of small pitting. You want to get that off.
*Miguel Hernandez* There is a sticker on my K31 that someone told me awhile back meant that it was in a shooting match in Switzerland. I made a small video showing the M1911 I got at Classic, letting people know about the deal, while also showing my K31. Someone actually from Switzerland told me that sticker was actually the coat of arms for one of the cantons (basically the same as one of our states) and this was akin to someone from Texas putting a Lone Star sticker on their AR. Good Info to have... I am still leaving the sticker on.
Milsurp Mike Channel if it's a red sticker/tape it's for shooting matches. That's what I know about that.
Love mine 1911 rifle. Beyond laser iron site works of art.
Yep I just LOVE this rifle!
Nice rifles! Thanks for sharing them :)
Thank you for watching!
I have two of these and I'm reluctant to give one to my buddy because theyre just so nice!
EDIT: Also worthy mention the POSITIVE ejection on these guns, so cool
Those rifles have excellent primary extraction. The locking lugs and their grooves are slightly helical, giving about a 20-fold advantage towards the charging handle during the phase where the bolt unlocks.
You can reload them Tim. My father does it all the time. The Swiss used great brass.
Love the k31
I also had a troupe tag in my K-31. Made a copy of it and sent it to the Swiss Consultant in San Francisco. They tracked down the family of the man that owned it. I asked if they would like their grandfather’s rifle back. They didn’t want it.
That was extremely nice of you.
Oleg Molot kind act but the reason it probably got into your hands is because they didn't want it and the family isn't active in shooting. Only now are the Swiss sports shooters starting to realize that the old milsurp are better than the modern stuff they have.
You don't talk to much it always good to learn more
Thank you. 👍
I have one .... sporterized by someone back in the 1950s ...... chamber has been shortened and recut to 300 Savage. Makes a nice little deer rifle. Back in the 1990s when I bought it I sure got some strange looks from people at the range. Had more then a few people ask me what broke on my semi auto that I had to rack the slide after each shot.
I also got a really nice "P" 96/11 from the recent Classic Firearms offering. The rifle had a little extra surprise for me as it came with one of the Swiss Lienhard subcaliber inserts inside it. Definite shout out to the informative Bloke on the Range channel for having videos on that subcaliber system or I would have been completely lost as to what was happening. Scary how fast Bloke just got smacked by UA-cam and thankfully many of the other firearm channels and fans helped get Bloke back up and running today.
Nice guns, good design.
Absolutely the Rolex of bolt rifles. And yes, everything about them demands you do your part, no halfway measures. That was the mindset of the Swiss, at that point in time. Recoil is authoritative, as are my Mosins, no lightweights allowed.
They demand you do your part, to be worthy of that degree of accuracy.
Hey! Connor is finally in a video....he was the one who sold me my Rex Zero 1 T. Very good guy.
Very cool rifles!
You should do a reliability test for common compact/carry handguns! Such as the Glock 43 and M&P Shield and maybe even the new P365.
Wow nice stock on he G11. If I could own only one rifle. It would be my K11. Probably not practical because of ammo but who cares. Sold my K31 and bought another K11. I just like them better.
If only gp11 was more available....it's unobtainium right now
They are excellent rifles. Even in Italy they are very popular and appreciated for their precision of manufacture. With the GP 11 ammunition are very accurate.
You got a new microphone? sounds great!
Finally a recording of a gunshot that isn't compressed to death by insufficient dynamic range!
Definitely sounds like it wants to kill.
So cool.
And now we shoot that 150 yard target... boom! And my ears start to ring...
Cool Video, Miss the days where it was a 3 hour drive to the range in Switzerland from my apartment in Germany. Ammo was $0.17 per round on the range. Have a K-31 with diopter sights as I used to shoot with Swiss matches. I also have a G-96/11. I am also left handed just have to roll a little while chambering a round. Match shooting is done in prone.
Was I the only one that jumped when the k31 fell over when he was loading it.lol.. those rifles are in great shape very nice
I'm a lefty that owns a k11 and I've never hurt myself on it... :P
Neat video guys. I don't know much about those old Swiss rifles. The carbines look like they recoil just as hard or harder than Mosins do.
those are some beautiful rifles.
I've got a " Bubbized" K11, shorten stock, barrel and changed to .308 Win.
Yep that's it, I'm buying one
I got my e-mail and my 1911 I should be able to pick up tomorrow...Can't find any GP 11 ammo though so I had to settle for some Privi?...The blue box stuff..
If you reload the Privi is better, GP11 is berdan primed and not easily reloaded.
Ian Phillips that sucks cause gp11 brass is so nice.
mike C you can convert to shoot boxer but that's a little bit of work. I got some GP11 that I can convert but I need to get some things to do the conversion.
John Deeter Prvi is good. GP11 is getting hard to find and if you reload it's a little hard to reload. I say Prvi is fine. People make GP11 seem like the greatest ammo out for the Swiss rifles. It's really good for milsurp ammo but you can handload better.
Interesting. I really like the straight pull back on the bolt.
sherm dog they made a lot of straight pulls the cheapest is the M95 (hard to get ammo for), the Ross is a very good straight pull, and then you have the Swiss rifles. Anything not updated for the 1911 ammo (GP11 and 7.5x55) is not safe for it. The early Swiss straight pulls use a 7.5x53.5 which isn't made anymore and moat be handmade.
Man that shooting sound.
I think it tells something about the way the Swiss make their stuff that the GP11 is now what.. 107 year-old load.(?) and it is still very viable, accurate, ballistically efficient and a powerful cartridge.. Kinda like the 1905-load of the German 8x57IS with the 153gr spitzer.. Same thing goes with the workmanship of the weapons.. I read somewhere that if there was to be built a military rifle with the same standards of quality and fitting than a let's say a Mauser G98, the cost of manufacture would rise up to 5-6K/$-range.. 6 grand rifles to conscripts to fuck around with.. :D
Mass production really keeps the cost down as well as contracts to the manufacturer.
StPaul76 I heard if you had made a Swiss rifle today it would cost $2000-$3000 or what a k31 "sniper" variant is worth.
Like said "read from somewhere", I don't recall exactly.. Could have been Canadian dollars..? However I do find that 2000$ kinda low for that's a normal price for today's quality rifle.. Sauers, Blasers, Mausers and Sakos and Kimbers of today start at around 2000-3000+€ instead of dollars but of course there is a profit margin added. Even an FN SCAR costs more than 2000 bucks and it has alloys and plastics in it and practically no handwork.. Same with the Sig 550-series.. The price what it used to cost back in the days of early 1900's is very likely that 2000-3000$ per rifle in today's money.. But what it would cost to manufacture one NOW according the same standards of manufacturing and precision is another calculation. It is like having a rifle built by a gunsmith. And then giving it to raw recruits in mass armies to abuse and mishandle.. :D
Videos like this are why Gun Drama Johnny is scared of you Tim. :) I’ve never fired a straight pull action like that either. Now I must!!
He better make fun of me, damn it!
*#notmy1911*
Mel Laknanurak it didn’t win 2 world wars
The Gano Zone They have that in common then.
@Doom how do you know, the 1911 never saw combat...
@@thetman0068 This 1911 never had to see combat...no one wanted to go up against it.
I also got a 1911 long from classic also. Love it
Great score!
Where do you attach the 30 magazine clip in half a second?
Is that the 30 caliber magazine clip?
MasterSgtSlappy bahaha
On the gust ghun, of course!
Touay it fires 300 rounds/second
Go on dumb question to ask. Connor's comment about ejection.
When you turn the bolt on a regular bolt action you're kinda helping the case ease out of the chamber. With these you just yank straight back. (No quotation marks as I'm not sure I've got him verbatim)
OK so you're yanking straight back but as you still have locking lugs to disengage then surely the end of the bolt with the ejector on still turns? I thought that was the clever thing about the Swiss action. It uses cams to allow the pull and push to provide the required 1/4 turn of a bolt with a simplified hand action.
No practical experience (UK resident) but was listening to what was said and I thought, "I don't get that at all."
You’re actually right. I didn’t want to correct him but a straight pull does intact have a rotating bolt. The bolt handle on a rifle like the Mauser does give you a bit more leverage IMHO when working a stuck case out whereas the straight pulls are more abrupt when you man handle them and can rip rims off. I can’t say this is a common issue and therefore rather moot. But back to your point they both do in fact rotate/cam into and out of lockup. Thanks for the post.
Thanks for the prompt reply. I'll take my moment of glory while I can because I'm sure to ask questions where I miss the point entirely.
I've got some interest in a subject of which I have virtually no practical knowledge but at the moment fortunate enough to have access to many educational content creators. Perhaps more accurately film or documentary makers in the non UA-cam world.
UA-cam does have lot of parallels to prehistoric normal TV. A lot of it is moving wallpaper or cheap dross that exists only for; ad revenue, product promotion fees, phone line promotion, etc, etc, etc Ad Astra. (as another YT presenter is fond of saying) However hidden in all that dogshit are true gold nuggets. If you are watching one of these channels then it's only common courtesy to sit up straight and listen to what they are saying. Hence why I was listening intently.
I'm sad about current YT attitudes because I've only found a lot of the nuggets by accident and I fear I'll miss many more before I find them if they're hounded out by YT or just can't afford to produce content because they're being shafted out of ad revenue.
Awesome ✌️ I like both 👍
Best sub 400$ bolt milsurp in my opinion. Got my K11 from classic too. Very happy with it! Plan on hunting whitetail with it this winter.
Nice!!
400 USD?!?
I bought three in 2010 for 240 Swiss Francs with bajonett.
Here in Switzerland the offering price is still at the most 250 Francs, today about 275 USD (December 2023 rate).
Me I like the full size G1911, unless I have to sling it on my shoulder for 8 miles. Add your bayonet and it is a very long arm.
The barrels are in good shape. The swiss didn't use corrosive ammo starting in 1911.
U.s. special operations looking to move some of their rifles into 6.5 creedmoore . very cool good amount more range and less windrift for Afghanistan and beyond. Wonder if theyll make a 6.5 with a A1 type projectile. Idk how set in stone it is. Or if its fake news or old news haha
convex I heard the same news too but the issue I find is are they testing different barrel lengths? From what I've heard of the 6.5 creedmore is it's performance depends on a 20" or 24" barrel any shorter than that ballistics and trejectory suffer due to lack of velocity. Who knows it may cause the military to adopt bullpups to maintain barrel length but they handle different cost more to make and are generally not southpaw/weak side friendly
Daniel J Call good point. 6.5 creed needs those long barrels to really gain advantage when reaching out there over the nato round
Love all the videos👍
Thank you!
No problem. Wish you luck with all troubles✌
Very cool video!!!
Very sweet old firearms. What type of velocity does that rifle with that ammo achieve
Tim, enjoyed the video. It would be interesting to see which bolt action would shoot faster and more accurate. Swiss 1931, Mauser, Nagant, Enfield, Springfield, and whatever other WW1 or WW2, you might like to add in. Call it, "The MAC, Mad Minute."
Just ordered mine
Gauntlet on the fn 5.7 pistol
The only M1911 that I like.
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Hey man, can you make a Ljungman video? I know IV8888 and a few others made a video, but it would be really cool if we could hear your opinion. Especially since you sounded really passionate about it with Erik when you mentioned that it is one of your favorite rifles.
I should. I have one. I have the Hakim and Rasheed too.
Military Arms Channel Then it would be PERFECT! You could show the evolution of the ljungman design. They are soaring in price. They range from $1,200-1,800. So I bought one recently and am having troubles finding ammunition. Perhaps you could explain how to feed the rifle without reloading. Thanks brother!
I actually just watched a tfbtv video that talked about this
Its interesting how you have different amo than we here in germany, from a sealent standpoint on the bullet. We just have a standart strong krimp on the bullet.
I’ve seen it with the wax and without.
Need to get the repairs done on my 1911 at some point
I love my K31 walnut stock and i plan on keeping it. Better get more GP11 ammo now since there's probably gonna be a run on it now after this video haha
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But which model did you prefer?...myself I prefer the 1911 rifle over the K31.... ergonomic just seems better.
I wonder what it would cost to produce one of these today?
What is the difference, if any, between the K1911 and the M1911? Thanks!
Very nice!
An interesting Swiss carbine.
Love my K11. I don't think the recoil is that bad- it's stout, but not on the level of something like a No. 5, Berthier carbine, or the M95 Steyr carbine (another neat straight pull rifle). I'm not super pleased with the giant billboard import mark on the 1911 rifle, but that condition is superb. I've heard that troop tags on the earlier 1911 rifles and carbines are much less common, but my K11 had one - it belonged to a Dragoon with the last name of Bosch; born in August of 1907.
I really need to drag my M95 out...
I love that action..got to find a good deal somewhere. Don't have a lot of money.
In Switzerland it's about 200-400 CHF in good tovery good condition
I thought I heard you say that you can’t reload the brass? If so, I’m curious why. I have a K1911 that was converted into a carbine and I reload for it. There obviously isn’t a lot of brass for it on the ground at the range so I bought a couple of hundred of Norma brass and have been reloading for about a year. I found the load data that’s as close to GP11 and follow it.
beautiful rifle)
Would be cool to do a gauntlet test with these guns. From ww1 and later one from ww2.
Peter Averink please don't. If something breaks it will be hard to get parts for and they also didn't make a 1 million k11 or k31 so it's not like a Mosin. Many have been destroy, sporterized and so on. No reason to do that when the Swiss did there own test.
Tim, you don’t talk too much at all. But Eric (IQ8888).....wow! I use the ‘fast forward’ a LOT. Lol
Tim I love that shirt how would I win a argument if I wore it
AMERICAN DELTAS simple, quote all the numbers from dictators who implemented gun control and then killed their own people
75 F is a cool day? It doesn't want to go over 55F in Ireland - and that's on an amazingly sunny day :(
While the K31s are worth more now and more sought after, it's the K11s and G11s that are going to be worth more in the future. They made a lot of K31s, but no where near as many K11s and not many G11s at all. Those are the ones that will be super collectable, especially ones that haven't been messed with. So many Swiss rifles have had their stocks sanded or had the dents steamed out. They don't look right.
In Switzerland 200-400 CHF in good-very good condition
I always love to watch these rifle. But there's some points I'd like to correct. The bolt changed on the G89/96, the locking lugs moved from the rear to the middle, and the bolt didn't change until the K31. The calibre changed on the G11 and K11, switching from GP90 [GP90/03 precisely] to GP11. The older G89/96 where then converted into G96/11, almost identical to the G11.
And weak primary extraction ? Not on these straight pull. The locking lugs are angled for a reason, the primary extraction is very powerful on Schmidt and Furrer designs. The 1893 Cavalry Carbine is another story. It's a Mannlicher design, with no primary extraction.
Check Bloke on the range channel and his video series on swiss straight pull, and swisswaffen.com for more detailed photos of each guns
if they got streight pul you are a good part on the way to a self loader.
Oh no that's terrible that the brass gets bent when ejected. Hopefully it can be rebent for reloading since swiss 7.5 is a fairly rare brass
There are several manufacturers making 7.5 brass. I wouldn't exactly call it rare when you can buy it new from Norma, Prvi, or RUAG, expensive yeah for sure but rare no.
You must get the bayonet for the k11!
I wish I had gotten one of the matching serial number guns and bayonets. I missed out.
The saw bayonet is the best! giga.joesalter.com/14800/14800-01.jpg
What's that bag you're using as a rest? Looks awesome!
It’s a local guy that made it for me and he doesn’t have a website!
I just bought one a 1911 today for $500