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Swiss Schmidt-Rubin Straight Pull Buyer's Guide (K31, K11, 1911, 96/11, 1889)
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- This is a video overview and buyer's guide to the Swiss family of Schmidt-Rubin "Straight Pull" rifles. We will go over the 1889, 1889/96, 96/11, 1911, K11 and K31, discussing all of the changes and differences between them.
I like how much information you can compact under 20 mins. You speak clearly yet briskly, but I have no problem hearing. Some people talk way too slow, videos end up being 50 minutes.
Sometimes those 50 minute videos are fun to watch. Then again, C&Rsenal is my favorite gun youtubers.
I'm sold on the Swiss rifles. Superior craftsmanship is the hallmark of these rifles which speaks to their legendary accuracy. They do not disappoint.
Expect the locking mechanism on the K31. It has only two locking lugs. If one gets hairline cracks this will get *very* dangerous for the one who fires the gun.
Many modern weapons have 3 or more locking lugs which are also much stronger.
@@OpenGL4ever You mean "inspect" not "expect" yes?
@@Jaden48108 Sorry, neither of them. I meant "except". English ist not my native language.
I'm from Switzerland. I never ever heard that a locking mechanism cracks. I have 5 different straight pull k31+11 all absolutely accurate excellent quality.
Im Swiss and i remember how my Grandpa told me story’s about these guns. I’m surprised how accurate your information is.
Can you translate my issue tag?
Just got my K11 and K31 this week. Just amazing works of art! Im still staggered how my Grandpa's had to march with them.
Outstanding! No wasted verb-age , concise and plain spoken. Another feature of these rifles is that citizen solder's name is usually on tag under the butt plate. Remove the butt-plate and learn who carried the rifle. At age 65, the militia member was retired and the rifle became his possession. The fact that every male citizen was a militia solder, led to Switzerland has not been at war since the 1790s. The history and variations of he Schmidt Rubin bayonets is equally fascinating.
Switzerland did not have an Army. Switzerland Was an Army.
Switzerland is an Army
Just ordered a K31 to go with my K11 and 1911. I’m anxiously awaiting that call from my FFL dude!
The K11 & 1911 are both in excellent shape and a joy to shoot. The surplus GP11 ammo has disappeared but commercial ammo is usually available. Also there was no note under the butt plate of the 1911 but I did find one on the K11. These beautifully made rifles are very sturdily built. In die schweiz gehen!! Also that front sight alignment tool, the original one is quite expensive but I found a guy online that machines them for about $30 US.
dude omg so well explained, I had so many detailed questions that no other video or forum could answer and you did it concisely, well done
at home I have 2 1911 (1 was my grandfather's personal weapon) and 3 k31 purchased during sales in the military arsenals 20 years ago for 50 dollars each ..... they are wonderful, nice video congratulations ;-)
Thanks for the info. I had no idea that there were so many variants. I feel silly. I seriously thought it was just the K31. I wanted one and shopped around. I wound up buying a K11 without realizing it wasn't a k31. It was on the paperwork but I just didn't notice the difference. I just thought it was a carbine K31 variant. Honestly, I am still pretty happy with the K11. It definitely has all the features I was looking for in the general rifle and I like that it isn't too long. Also glad that it will take hotter ammunition. But I am still glad that I know more about these rifles. They are fantastic and excellent quality for surplus.
A carbine K31 variant? Both the K11 and K31 are carbines. I've owned a K31 and two 1889's. The 1889's are my favorite as they are a true Schmidt-Rubin and the K31's really aren't being a total redesign. As a reloader the 1889 is also cheaper to shoot tha the K31, lighter loads so less powder, I only shoot cast bullets, and due to the light loads my brass lasts forever.
I have a 96/11 that was made in 1899. The bore still looks brand new and it shoots like a dream. Just purchased a k31. Can't wait to shoot it
I just like to purchase a 96/11 can shoot a modern swiss ammo without issue?
@NTconstruction yes I shoot gp11 through my 96/11 with no issues. These 96/11's were basically updated to 1911 specs and would be indistinguishable if it were not for the wood grafting and magazine slot. Gp11 is the best shooting for all of the 7.5×55 swiss rifles but if you can't find any gp11 a good second is the ppu ammo. Mine seem to like it. The ammo made by Sellier&Bellot is ok but my rifles have tighter groups with the ppu. Gp11 is king though surpassing even my hand loads when it comes to group tightness and consistency.
@alexblankenship118 Thank you for that information! It surprised me a factory ammo better than handload ammo. I didn't know even , can buy a die set for home loading. ( I'm new in hand loading, so, sorry for the dumb question).
What's the parent case?
And what is the technical info for it?
@NTconstruction The cases I use are the ppu ones. Those are about the only new brass you can buy for it. You can buy bags of I believe 50 cases from ppu online. From there I load them with .308 bullets. You'll have to play around with how far you press them into the case though. The standard issue swiss gp11 round has a very long tail om the bullet that makes it hard to replicate when hand loading unless you cast your own bullets to get that same long tail and taper. In my experience Sierra match king .308 bullets do the best. Still not as tight as surplus swiss gp11 ammo but close.
@NTconstruction ua-cam.com/video/hUxxwVQ2tZ8/v-deo.htmlsi=DfC9kdHlIQcDpoCC There is a link to a video explaining what makes the Swiss gp11 round so special in these rifles. Hopefully that helps shed some light.
Great info thank you. Bought the 1889 recently as they are UK legal without a firearms license to own due to age/antique status.
Same here, its interesting how these guns are probably the closest to the periphery of antique status when reservists were using them up till 58.
just the kind of video I like: short, sharp and to the point!
MarksmanTV .
Very informational, I have bought schmidt- rubin 1889, for a charity along with quiet a few different weapons including smg's. Since I know nothing about guns/ rifles; as I live in the UK.
These weapons are only purchased for investment!
Thanks to you I now know, the Schmidt- rubin I purchased is an 1889.
Cheers.
I appreciate your knowledge of surplus rifles Chris. Saves me hours of reading! Looking into a m44 soon and may have some questions for you. Thanks much....and great video.
Dennis H.
I just got one of these and thanks to this video, I now know that it is a model 96/11.
I agree ! I m french but Your english is so pleasant that I understood quite everything !! Other videos are not so clear and nice.Moreover, you focus on the rifle wich is the star of the vidéo and you show all the distinctive modification of each model.Nice work,thank you for the video
Very interesting and precise information. For many years I believed I had a model 11 rifle, but it turned out to be a model 1896 /11 with the added pistol grip. Thanks
just bought a 96/11 that was marketed as a k11, thanks for your help in figuring out what it is because the grafting of the grip and the rear sight was throwing me off. Honestly really happy knowing my beautiful rifle was made 123 years ago.
Where can I purchase in the US?
@@lukescott6451classic arms or Edelweiss Arms
I recieved #22 s/n one of the original 50 produced following the first prototype revision made by moving up the lugs the 1896. I researched the serial number and it was built in 1895 and continuously upgraded till 1911. I bought it from classic
Thank you for this excellent introduction to the different models and historical information. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks so much... I purchased a 1911 based on your explanation between that and an 1896/11...persona choice but it helped!
Thanks a ton! Very informative and your clear descriptions & distinctions are particularly helpful to a novice!
Great video. Just picked up a 1889 to go with my K-31. Just need ammo. Subscribed...
I loved my Schmidt Rubin, had a k11 it was a beaut, they always have such nice wood on the stocks.
Nice collection, just need the ZFK55 sniper version.
Good video. Swiss Schmidt Rubin rifles and carbines are by far according to me the best milsurp firearms, in terms of craftmanship, accuracy, style.
Awesome video packed with lots of history.
This is one I’d definitely like to add to the collection.
Excellent overview of some great rifles. Thank you!
Ditto.
Good job on the history and nuances of each rifle. A++
Very informative.. Will help me out when I search for a K31..
This is a perfect material, thank you! Now I am considering to buy Mosin or Schmidt - Rubin 1911 or K11 and after this film I will rather decide on S-R.
I have a K11, I love it.
Your video is a history lesson! Thank you!
Chris another great video . Accurate info , and right to the point . Thanks for taking your time to produce an education guide to these rifles .
Thank you so much (from France,bask country exactly) It will be interesting to show all the different carabines since the butt to show exactly the difference of each size
This is such an amazing video! Great quality and very knowledgeable
They are in very good condition
Phenomenal video and to the point.
Excellent video!! Love those rifles!
exceptional tutorial, greatly appreciate your knowledge as it was quite helpful ...cheers
Love my K-31’s
Need to track down a replacement bolt for my model 1911 at some point. The former owner had got a bolt for a 96/11for it by mistake.
Thanks for this brother! Very informative! I inherited one but had no idea which one it was! I am running down to my bunker, LOL, to inspect! I am dying to find out now. Seriously though, thank you!
Very good presentation,thank you!
Thanks, great info. And love the cheeky intro !
Great overview, thanks for the effort!
Absolutely awesome presentation!!!
Excellently done. Thanks.
Great info/comparison
This was great! Thank you very much
amazing video, it actually helped me a lot
The K11 apparently came with accompanying backpack, which allowed the rifle to be put through a hole in the middle in order to carry it around, smart design...so, me thinks, it was sort of a mountaineers rifle? Well, I shall get this setup...saturday, auction...it shall be mine!
Very informative video, Thanks
Well Done!
Thanks for the information!
Great video
Well done sir!
Excellent and informative
Nice rifles and nice review.
A K31 is not a Schmidt-Rubin. The K11 was the last model made by Schmidt-Rubin. Waffenfabrik Bern made the K31, not Schmidt-Rubin. This is why so many people buy the wrong rifle when looking for a K31. they don't realize the difference. Of course, I know that it is hard to change what most people think.
Excellent video👍
Ok, wow, mine looks like none of the above. Well, it looks most like the FIRST one with NO pistol grip. However, it seems like it was once fitted with a scope due to the fact that I can see where the scope was mounted, and, the front site was removed. The rear site looks nowhere close to any of the ones in your video. Seems very small, low profile almost. It definitely has that big ass long bolt, and the red rubber is intact, not cracked. It does have a magazine, so it’s not the cadet one you mentioned either. It obviously had the stock revarnished and a rubber buttstock put on the end. I have to admit, I never paid attention to this firearm because it never excited me much, I personally like the AR type rifles, but now I’m intrigued to know more.
So beautiful
Well done thank You.
Good video.
my 1911 looks just like urs with the tiger stripe but unfortunately mine has a very good fitting repair to the stock with slightly diff color wood
Such a beautiful collection. Have you acquired more? They’re addicting..
Not to long ago I piked up a K31. It has a blued receiver, so I imagine it is a pre 1958 model. Is there somewhere I can get an acurate date of manufacture and place of manufacture? The barrel looks really great, nice and shiny, gooves and lands are crisp, stock has some indication of use nothing terrible though and the paper with the name of the person the rifle was issued to is still under the butt plate. Paid $260 for it in Jul,2019.
@@patrickcortez4471 thanks for that link. Traced my 96/11 to 1906 production date.
Man I want one of these soooo bad!!
just picked one up for $760 man i wish i was born 10 years earlier lol i would have sooo many surplus rifles
@@jjfav2231 Same dude, we're just born too late...
How can I tell which Schmidt Rubin I have? After watching your video, I'm still not sure. I need to find a stock replacement and sights for this gun I have
loads of info here: www.swisswaffen.com/stutzer-fritz-kuchen-auf-basis-ig11-bzw-ig-96-11/stig11fk/wve9d009frbh#
Pop that clip off the mag release on the 1889 and you got yourself a magazine disconnect. It allows the mag to cam down. The clip was a later addition when disconnects fell out of military doctrine.
Unconverted 1896 rifles and 1900 short rifles are next to impossible to find.
Anyone buying one of these and thinking they can refinish the stock. DON'T. Just Don't. That's not the point of buying surplus arms.
Lastly anything prior to the k31 should be downloaded. Though the 96's and up were stronger, they're not as strong as k31's and should be inspected more often.
The Swiss 1911 long rifle, 96/11, and K11 are all designed around the (surprise) GP11 service cartridge that was designed in 1911. This is the same cartridge that the K31 fires, thus there is no need to download for these rifles. I would not go about rechambering them in magnum cartridges though.
@@huntercompton9650
No, the 96/11 is a 1896 receiver. The 1911 is a the same 1896 receiver design. Which means they were designed around the GP90 which was less hot. Thus the lugs on the bolt, though stronger than the 1889, aren't as strong as the k31.
The muzzle velocity of GP90 is 1968 ft/s
The muzzle velocity of GP11 is 2560 ft/s
Nearly 10,000 psi difference.
@@Foche_T._Schitt Yes, and the 96/11, 1911 and K11 were all designed to fire the GP11 cartridge that you just listed. The issue with firing GP11 or similar commercial ammo in a 89/96 rifle is not the action, it is the barrel, which because it was cut for the larger bullet of the GP90 cartridge will suffer gas blowby in the throat, reducing accuracy. There is a reason that the 89/96 rifles are almost never found, as they were all re-barreled to accept the GP11 cartridge and became 96/11s.
@@Foche_T._Schitt Absolute bullshit do your research! the 1911 was designed for the GP11 which was introduced in 1911! 1889's have very tight bores and even downloading them I wouldn't make a habit of shooting .308" jacketed bullets. Both of mine slug at .302-.303" I shoot soft cast lead bullets sized to .308".
@@huntercompton9650 While this is true it is well known that the rear locking lugs of the 1889 and 96/11 make the action weaker than the middle lugs of the 1911 and front lugs of the K31. An 1889 or 96/11 subjected to too much GP11 ammo will experience locking lug set back and peening. If one had a super slow motion video of GP11 being fired in a 1889 or 96/11 you would be able to see the bolt flex. Also while the paper patched GP90 is larger in diameter ".323" vs the GP11 ".3075" the bores of 1889 rifles are much tighter and also use progressive rifling also known as gain twist, ie the twist rate gets faster the further the .bullet moves down the barrel. I have personally seen 1889's with sheared locking lugs from firing too much GP11, I personally would not fire GP11 or .308" jacketed bullets in an 1889 or 96/11.
I own two of them but I want them all 😅
I live in the UK and have the chance to purchase a Schmidt Ruben 1889. They are classed as obsolete so the ammo is unavailable, they are live and don't need a license to own one. Should I get it?
I'd only invest into weapons that could handle modern ammunition. Even though you could not utilize it under current laws, in the event of invasion, I'd want something that I could safely defend the crown with.
I have the model 89, its a beauty, I can't use it though cause it has a very dark history in my country
I had one rechamber in .308 it was a 1911 mod.
It was the carbine mod.
Thanks for the explanation it’s a great karbine.
I have a question can I use ammunition 7.62 instead of 7.5.
Pretty sure that the 1900 Carbine you mention is actually the 1905?
13:41 looking at the front end of this rifle you could almost confuse it for a Finnish M39 😅
Very interested in purchasing k11 but don't have c+r
Do you know where I can purchase a six round box mag one of these 1911’s? I have one of these rifles chambered in 308 & need a box mag for it. The stock mag fits 308 just peachy. Love this video! Thanks a million for the upload!
ebay.
@William Warner
Lots of surplus rifles were sporterized in the 50's and 60's. I only know of the six k31's in 308 made by Martin B Retting as being desirable and still maintaining military specifications. I think they were built from factory surplus parts, not pre-assembled rifles.
I had a K11 but it didn't have all the wood on top or past the first clamp on the barrel shroud and it looks like it was made that way , is that a different model ? It did not have clamps around the barrel either.
I just spent an afternoon oiling and greasing my collection of swiss rifles like that. How much is the prize for a k31 these days (he mentioned a price rise from 2016 - 2018) ? Cheers
I OWN A 7.5×55 AND I LOVE IT..PAID $75.00 IN 1986..
question about the forward shoulder strap loop: I see in your rifles, the top(89) and center (96/11) have the screw showing on the right side of the rifle? Is that piece reversible? Or is there a reason for the change in screw position?
Is the K31 the most desirable these days or the K11?
Is there much difference in speed or accuracy between the carbines and long rifles?
Wish I could find one
Is the K11 more secure than the K31 because the length of the *only* two locking lugs is longer than on the K31?
My k31 has the issue tag behind the buttplate. I think it was issued in 1938. But I would love to be able to translate all of it. Since I can't read swiss. Any help out there?
My dad left me one of these and I think it's an 1889 because it has that clip design. Could it have been put on newer models? Cause me dad told me it was a 7.5 by 55 forever. What markings should I be looking for? I can't ask him anymore as he passed away 2 months ago. What are these selling for as I'm gonna sell the one I have.
Could you or anybody else tell me where I can pick up dioptler sights for my 96/11? Thank you in advance!
Right here:
www.swissproductsusa.com/product-page/p11-diopter
All the ones I have seen for the 96/11 were braze on done by the Swiss Gun Shops. Yes the link is for a new style, yet at ranges in Switzerland the ones on older gentleman’s rifles stand from the 50-70’s, lots of those guns also in the shops or gun shows in Switzerland back in the 90’s that I was going to.
I have a k11 rifle but in Ecuador we can’t get ammo 7.5
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I've got the 1911 one it is 44 I n long..
Where can you find these?
I would love to buy a K31 or even a few!
Also what kind of casings do you need for GP-11 reloading if you plan on resizing?
Switzerland of course...where are you from? There are still plenty of them around, not too expensive and more or less good shape.
No idea about the casings however...
waffenforum.ch/index.php?attachment/2964-munitionsgr%C3%B6ssen-gp11-pdf/
watch out for GP11 from 2016/17...these are off-spec and may cause FTF/FTE or other damage...
If you have a K-31, remove the butt plate and look for the issue card.
Those tags are under the butt plate of most Swiss arms, with the StgW57, and StgW90 there is a card holder on the outside that holds the info slip.
I wish I got a k31 when they were $329. Now I cant find them lower than $700
I bought a K31 with a nice smooth walnut stock about a year ago for $500 from an older guy with 150 rounds of GP11 ammo. He was needing room in his safe and I really lucked out.
The deals are out there, you just need to hunt them down.
They're still out there. Some not as nice as others. I got a 1957 k31 that looks like it's unissued. Got it and a 1943 with canton stickers for $1050 last year.
Got a K00/11 "P" series on the way as well. Less than 1300 "p" series 1900's were made.
You can also tell how heavily shot out the barrels are by comparing the lands within the first 1 inch of the chamber to the muzzle.
They'll still shoot good but the bullet can yaw a bit. Just reserve the ones with good rifling for long range shooting.
I paid $79.00 for the last one I had. I traded it off on a Makarov. The early 90's
I have a 1911 made in 1914,from w
I have this with the big Magazin from my grand. Is it rare?
I have a K31,how can I check the date of manufacture?
There is a book on the Swiss Straight pulls wrote by Vetter, it has a list of dates matching to serial number, the books are rare, in German, and sell for around $600.00.
Can you use the 7.62x54 ammo in the 96/11 looks the same as 7.5
@louis stewart: No...
My G-11 was made in Jan..1914