My Dream Shop Is A Nightmare Part 2
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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Love watching a shop build just as much as a vehicle build
Freaking nailed it with this comment!!!
Especially when it's dirt lifestyle
Check out grind hard plumbing cos shop build , great build
Under the loft put a grinding room. Do most of your grinding in it and it keeps the rest of the shop pretty clean
I was thinking the same thing. The small area to the right of the steps could make a great grinding room.
Yes! With a door or at least a welder's curtain. Then cut in a fresh air vent at the top of exterior wall inside this room and exhaust fan below with a motion-switched timer to run for 30mins after your exit the room. Keep this room at negative pressure while grinding and your whole shop will stay clean...ask me how I know😉 You'll never regret it.
Great idea regarding the motion switch and exhaust fan for the separate room, love it.
Carpenter of 17 years. That’s a very strong landing. Plenty strong enough for most common things you’ll likely be storing up there. If it becomes a catch all for really heavy stuff like engine blocks, transmissions, stacks of raw steel, it’s likely strong enough but I would always be wondering about the day it fails. Personally I would not have glued everything and felt just fine about its integrity but it’s extra bomber cus you did. If I was you I might add just a double 2x6 to ground under the ledgers in between where you lagged to posts, if you plan on putting heavier items up there. Otherwise 👌 you did a great job bro.
Mechanical (not structural) engineer wholeheartedly agreeing to the double 2x6 idea here. No idea how many lag bolts you used but I built a loft very similar to this and when I did the math on the bolts I was shocked how many I’d need to be confident it was going to last no matter what I store up there. For me it was adding up to so many that I was worried I’d be compromising the wood and creating a new failure point. With live loads over tons of time, I’d rather trust structural members loaded in compression that I can see over metal fasteners that I can’t see 20 years down the road after who knows how much fatigue. You’ll want to ask a structural engineer or US equivalent of BCIN (or just a code book) on how many of those double 2x6 columns you’d want, that I can’t comment on.
I agree 100% on all this, + adding another 4x4 along that back wall👌
I’m glad to see the blocking between joists.
@@mitchellsnider4198 yeah the last loft I did like this the structural engineer called for 4-5” lags every 16”. We had to laugh at that cuz at that point we’re completely blowing out every stud in the wall. As far as double 2x6 posts go I would go minimum one in between where he lagged but ideally I would put one at the existing structural posts as well (or just building a 2x4 wall under it) but for cost, posting is fine. And I love seeing that blocking, adds so much more rigidity than most people think.
Dude I would era on the side of over building the loft. This was another awesome video👍🏻👊🏻
Please keep posting this content! There are a ton of us out there that love to build and modify houses as well as trucks. Super excited for you and your family to get a nice chunk of land like this, especially in Washington. Its so hard for a regular guy to obtain something like this here anymore. Definitely living the dream right now!
Yeah second channel if you need to but love it
As someone who stored vehicles in a barn…
Put concrete down. The amount of moisture in a barn annihilates anything made of steel
Rodent proof it. Rodents love vehicles parked and periodically (or rarely) started in barns.
yeah i had my vehicle parked up at a shop for a month and when I got it back the engine bay had a bunch of palm nuts and nesting material in it :(
Yea at least gravel the ground or moisture will be a problem
I would love some long length videos on shop / house / barn / property builds just as much as automotive & Fabrication
As a structural engineer who has designed hundreds of wood floors my gut tells me your 10' double 2x10 beam may be a little light but it depends how far the joists span and how much junk you plan to store on that loft floor. If you PM me a sketch I'll take a look.
You are correct about the 2x10 double.
I agree. If you go back to around 7:30 when this wall is being framed, you’ll see the first layer of 2x10 rim joist gets two lags into the post, simply spanning between posts, and the second 2x10 stops midspan. I’d look at this as just a single 2x10 rim joist because of how it is spliced, not a double, and the connections into the 6x6 posts need to be looked at more closely.
If he puts a 4x4 post at each beam, spanning from floor to joist, and then another between each beam, it should be able to hold up that entire loft, plus whatever heavy stuff he might want up there. That's what I would have done.
Agreed
You need to work out the spot loadings in lbs per square foot of the loft area and their locations on the loft floor plan to get any meaningful load calculations. If it is going to be lightweight items only you are probably fine as is. Engine blocks, axles and transmissions need to be placed where the floor load is transferred to the ground floor by posts / pillars. Do a floor plan and layout what and where you need to place such heavy items. Even shelving and racking adds up in weight quite quickly when you load it with hardware. Make the layout plans and then get the loads worked out. I suspect you are going to need more structure but without a floor plan it will be pot luck to put in random posts / pillars. Well done so far though.
To keep the cost down on gravel, you should look into recycled asphalt. There’s a place on 104th and Parkland area miles resources and it’s usually between $10-$11 a ton.
You've probably thought of this but when you install the railing for the loft make sure you build a gated section large enough to pass a pallet through. That way if you move any equipment up there you can just lift it with a forklift.
Wish this was 1 hour and 14 minutes instead of just 14 minutes. Awesome stuff !
I have a feeling your channel is going to blow up ever more with videos like this. You are very good at storytelling/recording/editing/and building things and that makes for some great videos. Keep it up! I used to watch you here and there but I have a feeling ill be following along for this whole dream shop/homesteading thing you have going on.
The looks on the kids faces, that's the best payment for a build done well bud. Shop is looking great!
Dang Mr Nate! You are a man of many talents. You should be proud of what you have achieved. As far as that truck. Rebuild it with you son. His 16th birthday present.
Keep the shop content coming. Nate’s (outside the box) problem solving will be really enjoyable to see what you come up with for shop organization.
Nate love the build. Only thing I would suggest is to attempt to utilize the under staircase for storage. The shop is 100% automotive content. Everyone builds their "shop" at some point so this is great content
As long as there's solid 2x material behind the 1/2 inch ply then you're good. If not, I'd DEFINITELY put some 2x6 supports flat on the back wall as support. Won't take up any room but will ease your concerns
I’m just as interested in watching your shop renovations as your off-road content. Keep it up Nate!
I think most people here would agree... We love all your videos, they don't necessarily have to be automotive videos 🙂
I truly appreciate watching your hard work and willingness to take as little shortcuts as possible. I get sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do given time, but you pull it off what seems to be safely
I recently built a shop and I told myself the same thing. I’m not moving anything in until it’s completely finished. I knew if I did it may never get finished. If it did though would have been a big pain working around everything. Really excited to see your shop complete and what projects you will have on the go! 🇨🇦 ps have to get access under the stairs that’s a lot of storage space you don’t want to waste
Love the way you're building out the new shop. As an automotive enthusiast, watching videos on how to build out a nice shop is just as enjoyable as. Automotive content
A ton of wasted space under the stairs... we have something similar in our shop and we turned it into cabinets/drawers.
I would have had Cutout Areas under the stairs for Drawers or Shelve units. that's now just a big dead space. Other than that, congratz on the new shop. Going to be great...
It may not be as much fun for you as fabrication, but I enjoy this content just as much. Good luck with the move!
Utilize some of that storage under the stairs. Looks like you can add a door on one side or both.
Simple solution for peace of mind on the back wall strength. Frame up a 2x4 wall against the existing wall of the building to support the loft further.
Great vid. For more support of that span, 2x10 flat against the wall, catching the load on the ledger will help a ton and not protrude as much as a 4x4 or 4x6. You could add them to the corners, and throw in 2-4 in the middle section. Also might cut in a access to the underside of those stairs so you can use that space. Maybe french in a fire safe for valuables, play room for the kids. Keep up the awesome.
No. 1 mistake when building a shop is moving stuff in before you finish. Built a 4600 Sq Ft shop 4 years ago and I still haven't finished it. Shop is basically a storage unit and not serviceable as a shop. 😒
Carpenter here. It wouldn't hurt, in my opinion, to add a couple extra 4x4 posts (or two laminated 2x4's) to support your laminated 2x10 beams midspan between your building's structural posts like you were talking about. No need for a 6x6. That would be overkill for the rest of the structure you have built there.
For the effort it takes, it would be very good to put in some supporting posts.
You should crown your drive ways. Along with the drain tile/culverts. That will be more effective to help with drainage. Hope this helps. Making a road drag out of a metal bed spring and pull it behind a fourwheeler really helps too.
That's a really nice and solid loft. The only thing I would add would be some 4x6'in the back where you where worried to help carry the weight. Who knows what you'll end up putting up there, but using 4x6's will not take up as much shop space but will be sturdy enough to give added support to the existing 6x6 posts.
I would add joist hangers to each of the floor joists. I would never depend on a screw or nail, holding the end of the floor joist into the band board. The joist hanger will support the weight and transfer the load safely.
If you want “true overkill” lay a 2 x 6 against the back wall from the band board to the floor, maybe two or three per 10 feet of wall length this will “for sure” Hold the weight no questions. I posted this before finishing the video. I see the joy oysters now great going Nate looks great.
It will be interesting to see it when fully set up. I wouldn't have put the stairs in thd middle but, hey, it's your shop.
Great update. Keep the new shop videos coming.
Is that area under the stairs accessible? That’s good storage space that would be nice to be able to put stuff in if not.
I enjoy seeing building renovation having lived in house built in 1750. Didn’t do any renovations but house had a lot of pictures of 1947 renovation
One thing I would do is in your larger area to the left I would add a door so you have access to under the staircase for more storage, or you can put your air compressor in there and you have some form of insulation against noise while it’s running. You’ll have to add cooling and an air intake, but that would be the quietest place to put the compressor.
Love the shop content. As an engineer you made a good choice on adding those 4x4's, that was a long span even with laminated 2x10's and you said it was anchored into plywood. I suspect what you plan on storing up there is probably heavy and depending on what tools you want up there do to work those are likely heavy as well. The 2x10's should be strong enough but I don't know code in your area. Last thing you need to think about is a railing system. I suspect you will want to be able to remove railing sections and there are easy ways to do that, but with young kids and just incase an inspector comes around you will want railings on that loft.
Don't worry or stress about the automotive content part.
This is just as good about learning what goes into a well built shop and how you overcame obstacles, It's good learning content.
Do what you have to do and ignore the naysayers.
I would of watched an hour of your video
Great job 👊
Dude, go rent an airless paint sprayer and spray that shop. I was shocked to see you rolling paint on the walls. Also, I would have nailed those rim joists together versus screws. Screws tend to be brittle, where framing nails will bend before they shear. And IF you’re going to be using screws, get yourself some timberlock screws. They’re actually engendered for shear strength. I love this shop build/modification!!!
Well... everyone has already said it, but I'll add mine too. LOVE the shop content as much as I love the automotive build content! As a Jeep guy I love the old diesel TJ and the Gladiator, but that Samori is so sweet at well. Looking forward to seeing it out on the trail more... when you're all moved in. 🙂 Really looking forward to the Plymouth! (If you're taking votes... I'd vote for a resto-mod!)
Love the shop build, my 2 Cents try capute more of it.. Most of us watching, owning this type of shop is like our life dream. More than any car
Ha... Your old shop is my dream shop!!! There's a UA-camr, Waldo's World, who bought used tire mounter and balancer. He had a awesome reason for the balancer he found! Need to check it out! Plus his backup military surplus diesel generator install was really cool.
Kid you knocked that loft out of the park , im impressed , I had 22 yrs experience in construction 28 yrs ago . I've seen engineered stuff worse than what you did ,, kudos.
I know people love the jeep/crawler content, I do as well, immensely, but watching you build this property is super cool. Really nice change of pace. Wish the videos were longer, HOWEVER I know that is asking a ton because you are moving, building, more moving, more building, etc.... and recording/editing takes a huge amount of time you don't have. But WE LOVE IT NATE, keep it coming!!!!!!
Dude Great Job on the Shop Progress, you are truly All Around Skilled Man. can't wait to see finished product with this shop.
I’m looking at your driveway, and the new road to the barn. Please consider squaring off the ledge between the driveways, build a foundation for, and then a retaining wall to keep your driveway in place and off of the road to the barn.
Awesome vid Nate. Love watching this property come together for you and your family. Can't wait to see all the badass projects come out of this new space of yours!
Loved seeing how excited the kids were with the build. Thanks for sharing.
As far as knowledge goes I was a general contractor for about 20 years and I know a fair bit about structural stability. Whereas the back wall is concerned you want a support about every 14 feet to insure it's not going to move on you. Beyond that the only additional suggestion I'd have is to frame in an opening under the stairwell as it will add a nice storage space for tools or whatever else you have to store that's small enough.
You could add some posts between the floor and the ledger. Pressure Treated lumber should be used where the lumber comes in contact with the concrete, that would be industry standard.
I would put landscaping cloth and gravel down in the barn before I parked anything in it, 3/4 or larger first, then pea gravel on top to lock it together to make it easier to drive on
Already a huge transformation! Definitely looking like its going to be a dream shop
Haven’t stopped thinking about how good the last video was thanks for posting a new
Looking forward to seeing the finished shop and the project that come out of it. Stay safe my friend
This is awesome and I am so jealous! It is great that you had a vision and can make that happen with what you love and make it work with your family!
You're one of my favorite creators and inspire me so much to make lifestyle content. Keep up the build!
It's good to have your point loads go to the ground rather than hang on fasteners. A double-plated rim joist can be leveraged off of a wall sooner than a post will fail in compression, and a post is less expensive and easier to install. Its only downside is it takes up room, but it also reduces the bounce on the floor upstairs.
Check with your building inspector... along with your build permit... and it will meet all proper load and build requirements in all categories. Which will help you to properly insure the building. Meeting all the codes.
Looks good nate. That should be plenty strong.
Dude I’m super happy for you with your new place, shop and barn area. Purchasing a place it’s extremely challenging now a days, specially if you don’t have all the monetary backing but it’s awesome to see that the American dream it’s still alive and that hard work pays off 🙌🏻 you got this Nate !!!
The shop build stuff is great. I have a fairly nice shop that I built about 5 years around I am envious of all the space you have. The 4x4's on that back wall are overkill but worth the cost.
Peace of mind.
I know nothing about framing and all that construction stuff (which is odd because I grew up all around it...but Im the mechanically inclined one of the bunch) but I do know that I'm excited as hell to watch this shop transform. It's looking awesome so far.
I own a remodeling/construction company, and most of that is totally good in my eyes. I would say putting that extra support in the larger are with the 4x4 was a good idea. I wouldn’t put a bunch of weight on the loft, but almost anything you do there would be totally viable.
So excited for you. Love well planned shops! So rewarding. Consider some kind of overhead crane that you can lift stuff to and from the loft. Something like FabRats has in his shop. He is always using that thing! Maybe an overhead rail and trolley that extends to the loft? Soo much fun to think about all the possibilities!
Hi Nate, going to be awesome when complete for sure! Construction adhesive is what's used in my area, never wood glue for structure. Also nails vs common deck screws as they shear off compared to nails that will bend rather than shear. Unless you used structural screws then that would be perfect. Seen many good construction comments to help beef stuff up. We are all pulling for ya!
Living the dream of many! Congratulations and thanks for bringing us along!
I love the idea of those long shelves just for plastic bins!
If your worried and want to keep the opening you should make a steel support that has two posts, one on each side with I beam or anything to support the weight. I have a lot of projects on commercial building were I add supports to a concrete wall and they cut a new opening. Should work great for this if your worried
Carpenter/contractor for 25 years. The "fabrication barn" framing looks adequate. My comment is aimed at the vehicle barn. ( Think "dead loads" on that 2nd floor)
The best thing that I ever did to prevent rust (and condensation)on my tools was to put a vapor barrier underneath the shop floor.
In my case I also put 2" of foam board over the vapor barrier before pouring a concrete floor.
Twenty seven years later I haven't had any rust issues on my equipment.
To prevent rust t from forming on your vehicle investments, maybe you can put down a vapor barrier before lining the garage floor with gravel ?
( Although adding 2" foam board and a concrete floor would be bomber, you have a lot of stuff on your mind )
Stoked to see a new video! I know you want to get back to doing your normal content but I am loving the shop content! Please post more if you see the opportunity!
I enjoy the shop building as much as the vehicle content. I'm fixing to build my dream shop so I'm watching every shop build for tips and tricks. The large shelf is a game changer it would have been just empty unused space.
Dude, I admire your motivation and dedication. Glad to see you got some help!
Idk, Nate. That’s a lot of land, you must resist the urge to start an octopus farm. It’s illegal now in Washington 😂
This shop looks great! So far, love it! And i love that your sharing the process as you go. A break from the usual build or offroad video. Love it!
I think more than just some of us are excited about this. Keep it coming!
I would not have boxed in the sides of the stairs, that's a lot of wasted space under there. Know its a pain to build some under stair storage, but its wasted space you can take advantage of.
make storage space under the stairs if you are able to and if it makes sense
Congratulations Nate. This is looking brilliant and I can't wait to see the shop tour. Great to see your hard work paying off
Depends on how many lags are set. 2 Lags per post 24” on center should be good. If it makes you feel better add some posts along the back to make the back wall and loft bulletproof. It’s cheap insurance
I love the content, always exciting to see the shop build! I wish I could roll back the clock 25 years and do something like this! But for me now, I have to live vicariously through content such as yours. Keep up the great work!
I would put a post on each beam on that back wall. I don't think it is necessary, but I would do it. You will be putting heavy stuff up there. Just a 4x4 or a pair of 2x4s. Nothing fancy just extra beef to help those lag bolts. Again, not because I think it is necessary, I just tend to overbuild. Also makes building benches and shelves easier.
Great stuff, you are living the dream your kids are very fortunate. Also, I’ve been a networking technician for 11 years; load distribution looks great.
Another awesome shop build video! Thanks for posting, already looking forward to the next update.
Pole barn builder here; your loft is plenty strong! Good work!
Hey nate. LANDCRUISER guy and 25 year structural carpenter. Front wall is definitely over engineered... only thing i would have done differently is notched the plywood for the beam to enter. But you definitely have a basic understanding. We put atleast 1 lag every 16in or atleast 2 lags every 2ft. If ever in doubt....just at 2x4 studs flat under the ledger and re sheat if you feel necessary. I didn't notice if you had hangers on the joists but you will want them aswell. If you did not use 3/4 floor you will want another layer. Even if 3/4... another layer would definitely be t&m well spent...this can prevent punch through and spread out concentrated loads..... with this set up described. I'd feel comfortable parking a few landcruiser up there.
: so I did see hanger 👍... future reference.... by code we can not have a break in the beam over a span...
And the back wall in question... adding another layer of 1/2 in ply will suffice. Make sure it is up tight to ledger... this will carry the peiced ledger wich the continuous ledger is bolted amd screwed to. Cheers 🍻
Love the shop build videos!
Wouldnt mind longer/more videos of the shop build
Love this content as much as vehicle fabrication.
Awesome content. I really enjoy watching this build.
I wouldn't mind more of this content. Thanks for sharing!
Framer here: I think you did enough structurally, especially after adding those midspan supports on the back wall. (hope the concrete floor is thick) The only consideration might be sheeting the support wall towards the middle of the shop for sheer strength if you're going to be loading up that loft with a lot of weight. Not bad for a plumber. 😉
Just noticed you did sheet it at the end. Hopefully nailed off with .138" x 2-1/2' nails.
I would fir the wall with a 2x4 wall out of overabundant caution. If it's worth doing it's worth overdoing. With the fir wall you can run conduit through it to help hide it.
Looks great, brother. The only thing I saw was the joints in the sheathing. You typically want those to fall right on your joists. You may want to go back in and add a bunch more blocking so that you don't get any sag or squeak for those joints are at. I was going to suggest building up a couple double 2x8 "posts" along the back wall for that back ledger board to transfer the load down to the slab, but it looks like you got that taken care of.
You could have through bolted 4x6 or 6x6s to the existing 6x6 posts and been all right...
And I think you should post the corners, but yes definitely add more support.
A vehicle barn! Awesome. I always wanted something like that
All that in 6 days? Damn!
The kids seem to tg think it's as cool as I do. This video is just as cool to me as your Samurai or 80 Series builds.
Happy trails, Cowpoke
You should make the steps like shelfs so you can slide material in and the higher you go up the stairs the shoulder the material will be. I don't know.
Nice! I'm jealous. You might want to consider changing your road going down the the barn. That's going to be a disaster in the barn when it rains, or during snow melt. I'd look at ways to move the drive over and come in more level, or even uphill if possible. Thanks for the video.
It's looking great. Can't wait to see the finished shop
love seeing the new shop come together. I am jealous of the room you have
Decks are practically built the same way off of the side of the house, and get loaded up heavy all the time. I think you over engineerined it a bit, which shoulr be perfect for longevity and durability. Looking great man! Love seeing the new content