Heavy Duty 4 Link Suspension and Truck Frame Upgrade! Offroad Service truck episode 4.
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Let's build some offroad suspension!
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I would love to see your vision for J10 not compromised. My vote is to bring in something else for the OnX Challenge and let’s see with a bit more time, how cool this J10 project can be. At first I wasn’t especially excited for it. But, as I see your vision take shape, I’m definitely in it till the end. Nice work Nate!
The more I'm thinking about the build off, the more I'm feeling this way as well. I do have another rear suspension idea that would probably solve my problems back there. But it would take a lot more time to develop! And I think that is what is making me feel like I chose the wrong project. This truck is quite literally the first project I started in the first video on bleeping jeep. It deserves to be completed in a way that will immortalize this time I have here on UA-cam! I don't want to comprise lol. I want a bad ass truck!
@@DirtLifestyle 30:30 Nate I think you’ve got to swap to something else so that you can make this project what you envision and not what you have to do to meet a deadline. You will never be happy with the result IMO. Good luck, can’t wait to see the results regardless.
Nate if you need help with anything I live in Washington as well so if you need me I'm here
J10 is one of my all time favorite rigs, and I am a ford guy. I think this rig has huge potential to be your brand ambassador vehicle. Maybe, find a 10th gen f150, a gmc envoy, 1st gen durango. Something different than the usual jeep or mini truck. But still big enough to be interesting off road, and capable of making a comfortable sleeping situation. @@DirtLifestyle
@@DirtLifestyle you should look at Land Rover Defender rear suspension. It is A-Frame upper and trailing arm rear (as per your design 1) BUT trailing arm to chassis bush and A-Frame/wishbone to diff bush is different. Check that set-up.
I actually love where this truck is going. Generally when people say they want to build something "unique", it really means they are going to build something that's just weird. For this build "unique" means thinking outside the box and taking it to the next level. Whether it continues to be the OnX build, or becomes your own build, I can't wait to see it on the trail. 👍
For myself, and maybe others feel the same, I watch your channel for your creativity, your drive & passion, and your skills (Not only for fabrication). And for how you present to us all that you're doing and thinking. Though I enjoy watching you and the other youtubers "compete" in these extra events, it's not what keeps me coming back to any of your channels. Whatever you throw at the onx build, we'll be happy to see it. And we are all looking forward to seeing the final J10 build whether it's redone after onx, or set aside for now and completed later.
And maybe, just maybe someday, I'll get to see that TJ run the trails again rather than just sitting in the back corners (or outside) of your shop!!!
Lol. The tj is on my mind ALOT. I would like to at least start the resurrection this winter...
Of all the content on the internet I follow I look forward to your episodes the most. It’s just straight up work and knowledge. No politics, no naked chicks, no bull shit. It just reminds me a lot of my childhood watching my old man wrench and watch these type of shows on that super obscure hot rod tv channel on basic cable. I really appreciate the stability of it all you bring to your followers during these crazy times we’re living in. Just good ole American content of hard-work, doing cool shit, and wrenching like nobody’s business. I hope the next generation sees this shit and is inspired to be the next blue collar pride of who built this motherfucker to remind people of who we are. Probably a little deep man but thank you for what you do.
Killer episode! Keep at it. I can’t wait to see it in person! 🔥
Thanks brother 👊
Whatever you decide, I will stay and watch this build!!!!! Have to see this through!!! Love it.
This thing is going to be sweet when it's done. It's great that you're spending the time needed to make it what you want it to be and not compromising the design due to time pressure. If you can get it running and driving in a safe, reliable manner in time for the competition I wouldn't sweat it if it's not "done" - focus on the essentials is what I'm trying to say. I wouldn't worry about what other people are bringing - given the crazy variety of competing vehicles I don't think the audience is going to be judging them one against the other per-se, but rather how well each driver does with the tool they have. Besides, Rory's already shown that a dually truck is the most capable offroad vehicle in existence 🤣
Best of luck Nate! I'm rooting for you! The triangulation binding experiments are very insightful and interesting. One weird design I noticed on the Land Cruiser 200 series is that the rear lower links are triangulated AND it has a panhard bar. All other Toyotas have parallel 4 link with panhard. Maybe that's why the 200 has very massive rubber link bushings to prevent binding.
Thanks dude!
These rules can be broken, and my test is really just a good example of how important it is to cycle suspensions while building. I would bet the 200 series land cruiser has some other elements that would improve their results. My upper and lower links are the same length to keep my pinion aimed at the transfer case throughout the suspension cycle. I bet the 200 has upper links that are 50-70% the length of the lower links to keep the pinion parallel with the ground throughout the suspension cycle. This small change, in addition to playing with the length of the panhard bar, could make a huge impact on suspension binding.
I haven't looked at the rear suspension of a 200 series, so I'm just speculating. But oems usually want to keep their pinion angles flat while the suspension travels because they can make parts like driveshafts for half the cost. This truck will require a drive shaft with 3 joints and a carrier bearing. 2 u joints and 1 double cardon. This will be a kick ass drive shaft but it's super expensive to make. If the 200 series has the suspension style I guessed above, then it will only need 2 u joints and 1 slip in the shaft... very in expensive to manufacture.
I know this is a long-winded explanation, but I know you are into these kinds of details 😁.
You should cycle the rear suspension of a 200 series with no springs to compare! I would bet there isn't much binding unless you lift it.
@@DirtLifestyle amazing stuff man! you were exactly right. the 200 series has shorter upper links and 2 u joints + slip yoke. no double cardan. so many things interact together! i can always learn things from you.
@@TinkerersAdventurehaving those shorter upper links also gives better on road performance and driving characteristics
Nate, you’re an inspiration in life and in the shop. You’re killing it. I see your happiness AND frustration in the shop.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. C’est la Vie!
Thank you 🙌. What a giant compliment
Agreed, dude makes me want to go out and glue some steel together right now.
I got the urge this afternoon and finished gluing my adventure trailer together!
Sometimes, you just have setback and a take minute for yourself. Pushing yourself makes things harder on you and the project. I've been watching you now for about 3. I've seen you do some amazing builds. I know you can get it done. just take a second and breath. I hope you can stay working on this project because I'd love to see it go against the others out there on trail. Good luck, and just remember, breathe
Thank you for the positive vibe brother 🙌. I'm going to continue to think about it and work on this truck! It deserves the best!
@DirtLifestyle hey man you're welcome. You have taught me a lot from watching your videos. I should be thanking you.
Bronco II time. Find a cheap bronco 2 online and build the hell out of it for the competition. That would be super unique!
Thank you I learned a few things. Your videos are very high quality. The thing is I didn't even consider the buttery editing. Its that good.
Thank you! I spend a ton of hours trying to get my videos dialed, so I appreciate it when someone notices the editing 😁.
Daihatsu Rocky for the OnX competition! It would be so cool and unique. No one would expect it. It could be the baddest crawler on the planet due to its size. Pkease do this!
I have some off road truck racing history at the pro level. On our trucks we did the triangulated with trailing arms suspension and was getting over 15" of travel. The thing we did was the wishbone was made to marry the two angle tubes into one with a large heim end that was then bolted onto the axle housing. With that single mount approach you don't get the binding that your seeing with your double heim mounts. Good luck man! I enjoy watching your builds.
Now I don’t feel alone in project challenges. Spending time on plan A’s and ending up on Plan C can be really frustrating. Really love the drive to keep the truck going👍🏼🏁🏁
All of your builds and videos are awesome. The J10 should be a staple of your brand, always around. IF the rules have changed mid competition, then the build should change mid competition. I don't think that anyone that follows your channel will be upset that you pivoted. More content!
I couldn’t click on this video fast enough! I love what you’re doing to this truck. Keeping the “jeep” look to it while planning on a completely functional usable truck makes me so happy. And going through all the extra pain to keep the dual rear wheels puts it miles above the rest. I appreciate everything that comes out of your brain dont diminish the creativity for any build challenge and remember why your in the garage in the first place!
I just started watching your build and I enjoy all the detail info you bring to the channel, I enjoy the conversation due to the feelings and intelligence you display I will be watching the rest and I love the dually build as well
Hello from Ukraine, you are my favorite channel, one of those who inspire. Only after watching your videos do, I feel like going to the garage and finishing my project. Wishing you inspiration and good luck.
That’s awesome, never compromise ur vision
Screw what other people are doing! You are building what you love and think is super cool! That's why you're my fav!
This is my favorite build of yours so far. I love where it is heading and how you are taking us along through the process. Please don't compromise it just for the OnX challenge. I think you will be disappointed if you do, and I will too!
Rad! I'm glad you are digging this build because I'm absolutely in love with it. I realized I don't want to take shortcuts or destroy this thing. It deserves to be built right!
I hope it gives you motivation but I absolutely love the fact you are building this truck! Lots of people have done the Cummins thing in almost every car or truck. I am excited watching it go into an off-road recovery vehicle and the challenges that come along with it! Look forward to the road to and the final product!
I watch all the UA-cam builders, and I have to say Nates narrating on his videos is amazing, the way he explains things is too good and I must say the editing has been top-notch lately too. love the vids Nate !
Should have went with a parallel 4 bar and a Watts link. It takes a bit of extra work to package the watts link would definitely keep the axle centered through its full travel.
I considered this! The problem is I don't have the space. I want at least a 20 gallon fuel tank, and based on my measurements, I will have just over 20 gallons behind the axle as it sits.
Nate, it’s fairly well known that you love Sasquatch, but is it me or does Nick look a bit like Harry from Harry and the Hendersons? Was that subconsciously part of your hiring requirements? 🙃😉
I just sent this to Nick 😆. Amazing.
Please don't give up on this trick it's my favorite build!
Looking forward to whatever comes next on this channel man.
You really help me keep the gas pedal depressed on my own project and remind me to do it to the best of my abilities even when the impatients sets in. I wanna see this rig on a trail but not before it's ready. I know exactly what that feels like!! 🤙🏼
I love how you were willing to sacrifice time and steel to make it work right. even it you do it two or three times
The shop and the build are looking awesome. One thing I'd offer up is to get sheetrock on the ceiling of the grinding room ASAP. Sparks flying off your wheels vertically will light up that plywood REAL quick.
I really appreciate the explanations for everything you do, I'm learning a lot watching you build these rigs.
Thanks bro! I'm glad you are digging this style of video. Sometimes, I feel like I'm just rambling 😁
thank you for showing how the different rear suspensions work. It was very helpful to see the how the axle cycled with each type suspension.
love to see this project completed... thanks for showing us the whole process and what it actually take to do something this crazy. great job
Don’t give up Nate! You’re awesome and the build is epic!!!
You got this Nate ! Keep it up , reflect on the pass to power you through in the present . A lot of awesome projects done by you and soon more to come. You the MAN!!!
Nate, go for what your gut tells you. This truck looks amazing already, what ever you have to do, we are you to back you all the way!! Great job so far
Stick with the jeep truck, u got this dude!!
Yes Sir!!
Speaking from many years of experience, sit back, take a few deep breaths and let your head clear. It's surprising how simple things can be once your head clears. You're doing a great job. Remember Semper Deinceps.
So freakin cool. Every man would want this truck
This build may end up being one of my favorites you've done. Looking good!
Dang! That's high praise! I think we need to take the time to build this the right way. It's a pretty special truck.
@@DirtLifestyle yeah. Build it the right way. You’ve had it since the beginnings of your channel and it’s been sitting there waiting to be saved!
It is absolutely turning into a really good looking off-road work rig and I agree with you it should be in always good working order and I'm sure it will be the best looking vehicle in the contest and team dirt lifestyle always has my vote
“I’m so pumped that that came out of my mind and I was able to put it into reality” who else felt that? 🤚🏼
As much as I’m appreciating seeing the new shop, I bet you’re absolutely loving it!
Bro…thank you! Your words early in the video seemed like they were speaking DIRECTLY to ME! I’m working on my first build…and I’m at the point of designing the link suspension…and I’m paralyzed by newbie-itis. BUT…as you said, I think I know what I know…so that’s where I’m going to start…and I have finally resolved in my mind that it’s “OK” if I screw something up. It’s all in the name of learning! (And it’s all fun!) #FabricationIsFun
Build the J10 the way you want it! You have a great vision for it and don’t compromise it. Get something else for the challenge!
Thanks for the video i had plans this summer to build my 6 x6 85 e150 this summer but that got screwed up bad February 1st but this build is giving me some good ideas thank you i cant wait to see the next video i love your channel!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a great build but your are correct that if they wanted you to build an overlander but they have changed that then you should be able to change your vehicle to something that meets the challenge. Keep up the amazing builds sir.
I think Rory made his own dually bead locks for trail mater.
Another great video. Always top shelf. Your music selection at 15 min is really good. More of this please. Cannot Thank you enough for the amazing content. Always love when a new video or yours drops. I watch it right away. You’re the man. Keep up the great work!
Awesome 🙌. I love it when people enjoy the music! I search for hours to find stuff I like
Love the Blues music at the end of Your video! Such is life Man!
Followed the channel for years. I love your builds, your meticulous nature, and the way you explain your ideas. I think I speak for a lot of us when i say, I hope you build this one how it should be built. Bring in a more manageable project for OnX. SAS swap something or trim body, and slap some tires on and have fun!
Great video as always mate. The little time lapse of bending the plate over the chassis was really cool too.
Love watching you build things that turn out to be so cool and they work. Keep on keeping on Nate.
gonna be such a beast!!!!!!! Can't wait to see this finished, but enjoying the journey!!! Nate if there is anyone that can make this happen, you can brother!!!
We did machinery install where I worked. We sprayed Aqua Net hairspray over our chalk lines to protect them. It cleans up with a wet mop.
This build reminds me of dads old 1966 1ton dually jeep he had when I was growing up.
that swing effect is good helps keep the tires away from the frame. Claas Combines do this on purpose lets them keep a nice narrow road drivable axle while still having plenty of flex with out running the tires in to the frame.
Glad to have you back Nate
Win lose or draw, it’s the quality and heart that you put into these builds that we love! That 80 series from the last challenge was perfect!
Cummins thru a 4:1 transfer case. Torque! As my driveshaft builder said about my 200:1 final ratio, that can turn steel into liquid!
Lol, I'm gonna steal this!
Oh, I love your vehicle and music taste! And the craftsmanship!
Nice work on that rear suspension Nate, really have to give it to you for trying two other designs before settling on the triangulated uppers. Your attention to these details is highly respected! No "that's good enough" to be seen.
New to your channel. I watch all the others on the onxoffroad build challenge as well. I love where you are going with this. I will love to see it finished for the challenge. I think it can be one of the best builds out there.
You're an inspiration and a model, I will back you whatever way you choose to go. My current struggle is to allow myself to deliver something that's 80% or 90% of what I know I can make, but in 50% or 60% of the time it would take to bring it to 100%. I find myself putting more projects out there this way and get to know what works or doesn't, what ideas where great and where I need to focus on the next iteration. Version 1.0 could be good, put on one heck of a show versus the other builders, and allow you to pour up a list of stuff to improve for yourself, after the challenge.
Cheers from Quebec!
if i wasnt so far away i would come help! its going to be a great truck like all your builds and cant wait to see it which ever way you decide to go!
Awesome build! Wish I had a shop like this to just play and see what I could come up with.
I think it would be kinda cool to memorialize your builds on the shop floor. Instead of topo maps, or topo vinyls, you could create a blueprint looking artwork.
This is such a rad idea!
@@DirtLifestyle thanks!
It is going to work great! One of the most successful off-road wreckers runs leaf springs, and they work well.
Your creativity and sound design/engineering is ahead of most from my perspective. (o-k fabricator and solid automotive engineer). That thought process and introspection is so much more valuable. Dont lose it or give it up! Anyone with two brain cells can throw money, tons and 43s ( no dig ) at a vehicle.
Love your Lifestyle and respect what you have built with the family and the Farm, while trying to youtube. If you are ever in CO,AZ,UT,NM or make a BDR trail here, give a shout and I'll be there!
Thank you very much for such high praise 👏. It means alot!
@@DirtLifestyle * Rock-lander route here in the southwest; not BDR
You need to concentrate on just the basics of it working as good as your talents have the time for. You don’t have to French the headlights. And you will make it. Great job. Great Video Nate
Keep the faith, Nate. I love what you're doing and what your vision is for this truck. Your competitors have some cool stuff in the works, but I love your project the best. Hang in there, please!
The truck I always dreamed of was a Jeep Kaiser M715, ... The J10 is close enough, is like you're building dream...
So from an ex-plumber to another , I would hate to see it half-done, don't compromise!
Dude!! Stay true to your style!!! All out wheeler!!! The j10 is looking bad a"'':s!! Already!!! You feel I can do better!!! Hammer down!!Great video!!✌️
I've always dreamt of a dual rear offroaders setup with AT tyres inboard, and mud tyres outboard, but with the ATs slightly larger diameter for road rolling, and then when aired the ATs are aired down, the mud tread is engaged, but still with nice floatation from the AT for sand. And then when bogging down, the mud tread comes into play.
I'm loving the truck, the creativity and vision on this are awesome. I think rather than rush it and destroy it in the competition, you should switch to something that may be a little less involved.
This build is the reason I subscribed years ago and I am so excited! I trust your judgement on this one and I am so stoked to see it in Southern Utah in the near future! My dream build is something similar with a Jeep M715.
Nate, you are living your best life! Thanks
I'm trying!!! 😁
Nate, you rock, can't wait to see the Tacoma updates
The axle rear suspension and back half frame looks awesome.
Thank you!
Inflexible things break Nate. Things change and those who can't roll with the punches will be pushed by the wayside. I don't care what you take to ONX or if you even participate. The way I see it I'm lucky to be able to see builds like this and draw inspiration from your design. Maybe the information is out there but I wouldn't even know where to start looking for the pros and cons of three different suspension designs as you casually displayed in this video, with production quality rivaling anything Stacey David had✊🏻. I've learned a ton over the years, watching you since the BJ days started. You do you man, I ain't gonna judge. I'm gonna get back to fabbin' up the winch bumper on my old truck now, also heavily inspired by techniques I've learned on this channel. Have a killer day man, looking forward to the next one.
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for watching!!!
Nate , you always get screwed on these ONX challenges 😂😂
Its amazing how the parallel 4 link with panhard bar binds but Jeep JKs and JLs have front uppers that are slightly triangulated with a panhard. This really makes you wonder
My guy! Go find a cheap 2 Door Jeep Cherokee XJ for the competition! Build the baddest crawler around out of it! It could be super unique and different than everyone else's. Not to mention the absolutely bulletproof 4.0 online six and AW4 transmission!
Nate you have created the best automotive/fabrication/adventure channel on all of UA-cam!
Another awesome build Nate! Life always gets harder when rules get changed…. Cummins dually wheelin is a blast, especially with granny low manual and an exhaust brake! Just remember though, you can only get in where you fit in…. Its no fun turning around on narrow trails. .. can’t wait to see how this thing turns out!
Manual!? Lucky! If I pull the j10 out of the build challenge, it's definitely getting a manual transmission 😁
Love the Jeep truck! Hang in there, you're making something great that you will enjoy for years to come.
I think you can get this truck ready enough for the Onx challenge and finish it later.
I imagine after you wheel it you will have some changes you want to make.
I've seen enough of your videos that I think this is a good possibility.
If you use the Onx challenge as a mid build test you will see what needs changing and you can fix it before you continue building it to be whatever the final version is going to be.
I think it will be even better with some wheel time to iron out the kinks.
The only thing that bugs me is that if you are over budget you are immediately disqualified. So if you can't do it in budget I think bringing in another rig is a good second option.
Love the content.
Nate. You made my sunday with this video. 😄 Keep up with the hard work! 💪 Because we are here watching. Doesn't matter if it's your barn or offroader just do your thing and make a video about it. 😅
Awesome brother 😁. I'm glad to hear it!
Nate, it seems like you spend a lot of time with cutoff wheels, hole saws etc making brackets and things like that. I think a great investment for your shop would be something like an arc droid, the Grind Hard Plumbing guys use theirs a ton if you want to see how they use it
Sometimes you need a deadline to not only get things done but to force you into finding creative ways to get the things done. I say stay with the j10 for onx. If you switch you’ll just be slapping something together fast just to meet the minimum requirements.
My thoughts are build it to your standards, don't beat it to death in the comp.
You know in your heart there's not enough time nor budget to make the tow truck right by october. Don't rush it or you won't be happy with it in the end.
Love your vision, build is going to be sick!
Hey man, I appreciate you building this jeep. I've got a 64 gladiator that I'm building and have used so many of your your ideas to plan everything out. Definitely hope to see you on the trail. Great content. I'm excited to see how you do the rear shocks.👍
Your experience and dedication to quality work is inspiring. I would love to see the J10 compete, but its such a great truck that it doesnt deserve to be rushed. Im sure youd be more satisfied with a quality vehicle, and that satisfaction is sometimes what makes it worth it to begin with. If you dont think it would be reasonable to finish the J10 for the OnX challenge, I'll support your new project and continue learning from you as always. Good luck Nate!
Nate, Have you thought about contacting Rory Irish and talk about axle issues???
I also love the J-10 and the way you are getting it done.
I know rory! I actually knew him before either one of us was on UA-cam. It really is a small world!
@@DirtLifestyle Yah figured as much but sometimes a fresh mind has good ideas.
After watching the Sammy build, I'd agree with putting the dodge aside an take your time. I gotta say I'm more excited for the tj to make a comeback. That has been my favorite rig and why I started watching. I'll keep watching no m atter.the build tho.
Love your willingness to experiment.
you shoud look into welding cast with muggy welding rod, got some to weld my cast iron wood stove door and you dont have to worry about keeping heat into project during cool down.
That's wild about the TJ Suspension you built. My TJ has a wishbone upper in the rear that was definitely built by someone who knew what they were doing. It looks like a compilation of various "kits" if you will. Parts of it resemble stuff you can buy, but I can't find anything that looks like the whole thing.