Getting Unions Out of Government | Glenn Loury & Philip Howard | The Glenn Show
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0:00 Philip’s early work on post-nuclear war recovery
2:26 Philip’s skepticism toward the role of lawyers in the US
4:34 What’s wrong with the EPA, OSHA, and the EEOC?
6:59 How to ensure worker safety without “4,000 rules”
8:07 Why the US spends so much on healthcare
11:32 Philip: We’ve degenerated into a culture of distrust
14:58 The origins of American distrust
18:42 Re-instilling trust
21:38 The problems of national security and public health
26:57 Are public employee unions constitutional?
39:35 Market constraints don’t hold for government employees
34:55 Do public sector workers need protection from exploitation?
39:22 Philip: “Public service is repellant to good candidates”
40:58 A short history of the civil service
46:49 Is Philip inveighing against the Democratic Party and the labor movement at large?
53:12 Philip: Police unions prevent accountability, too
56:08 The necessity of a constitutional solution to public unions
1:00:58 Philip: The political organizing of public unions harms the public
1:04:46 Would the current Supreme Court be receptive to Philip’s case?
Glenn Loury and Philip K. Howard (Not Accountable: Rethinking the Constitutionality of Public Employee Unions). Recorded October 16, 2023.
I'd love to see this guy take on the Mental Health industry. When I worked in the medicaid world, the documentation burden was enormous, mostly tracking factors that were totally unrelated to outcomes.
Lawsuits are probably responsible for all that b.s. Lawyers have become a predatory business
Government increases documentation so more people are employed thus lowering unemployment which leads to government looking better. I don't see that situation being resolved.
Public service unions should NEVER have been allowed!
So no police unions and firefighter unions?
Kindly explain why you believe that paid firefighters shouldn’t be allowed have union representation that can advocate on their behalf concerning issues such as health & safety matters, staffing, training, work rules and wages. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
@azul8811 No public sector job should have the ability to negotiate their own wages without direct negotiation with the individuals paying the wages (tax payers).
There is currently no proper adversarial structure built between public sector unions and the boards/commissions/etc. that they "negotiate" with.
Health and safety standards are another matter.
@azul8811 Because unions and politicians are in each other's pockets. The proverbial "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"
@@rogerward801 aren't politicians and corporations also in each other's pockets? Both sides seem to play the game. Maybe it's the rules of the game that are the problem?
I began working when I was 12. I quickly learned the better I worked the more hours I got. When my employer retired late 70’s and I worked with others of different ages in different environments the consensus was Union, Federal, State, Civil Service jobs were the right way to go. When pressed why the largest response was because they can’t fire you. I learned at a young age that hard and good work was rewarded but couldn’t wrap my mind around getting a job because I couldn’t get fired. Granted I was poor and get job stability but at that young age I knew I wasn’t entitled to a job if I did earn my keep.
Entitlement is an insidious mindset, it hobbles many and crippled others.
Thank you so much, Glenn, for hosting this gentleman & giving a respectful place to his message.
I live in NJ. My state is a living monument to the corruption, incompetence, and entitlement fostered by public unions. My gf's entire family is in education. The sheer SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS these teachers/administrators have?? i can't even.....
NJ educator here. Yes, I agree. I left the union last year and saved myself 1350 per year. Sheer robbery. So sick.
I’ll likely be a NJ teacher when I finish my degree and I’m joining as soon as I can. The benefits of union protection work to keep good teachers from being exploited and I’ve seen it numerous times from my former building rep.
I was out of the union for two years when I moved to a different teacher’s aide position at my job. This was a job where we were doing legal restraints on kids with behavior difficulties and dealing with kids who couldn’t succeed in a typical classroom. I don’t want to be in that position ever again, as I’ve seen parents riled up over the lies their kids tell about their treatment and wouldn’t want to defend against that alone. I don’t agree with the union’s voting power or their policies on the Coof in 2020-2021, so I think there should be competing unions to offset this.
There are schemes for the education administrators to make money which ends up siphoning money from teachers wages and children's education. Such corruption seems to grow more common as population density increases. NYJ is infamous for corruption as are a number of other states.
The school system is bailing something must be done. The United States is falling behind because of our students not being educated.. it sounds like you already processed the self righteous attitude.
I think you will find that that same union protects crappy teachers who aren't doing their jobs by any standard. If you are a really great teacher you will not be rewarded with better pay or benefits, and may even lose your job to that crappy teacher simply due to seniority. The trade-offs for allowing the NJEA to more or less run the schools because of their numbers and political clout has hurt the students most of all, while the purpose of school is entirely about the students.
Having been both a public employee union member, as well as a contractor for government, I'm very familiar with the problems Howard is talking about. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to realize that the problems stem from the incentives facing politicians, union members and their representatives. All spelled out in the Public Choice literature. Of which, Thomas Sowell's 'Knowledge and Decisions' (which Glenn says he has read) being an outstanding explication.
I also noticed that Mitch Daniels wrote a forward to Howard's book. The former Governor of Indiana would be a good follow-up guest on this topic.
I read Mr Howard's text 60 days ago and live in NYC, one of the worst offending cities and pervasive state mismanagemernt. He includes a comprehensive examination of politician/Rep/Employee interplay. Concrete examples, finaincial incentives, diverse malfeasance. I suggest reading, "Not Accountable". I think you'll get a lot out of it.
My UA-cam feed indicates this was posted 2 hours ago, yet, your post was made 4 days ago.
@@TheDennisgrassprobably released to supporters earlier than public 👍
@@paulraymond139 As I said, I have first hand experience with the phenomenon myself. And I did get a lot out if that.
The problem is the public unions and politicians are in each other's pockets
"unions were important back in the day when labor was mangled in factories and mines and you got terrible wages....." Back in the day... Right.
Thanks for having this guest. I am a public school teacher. He is spot on.
Thank you for the food for thought. Trust and principles vs regulations. The hard part is holding people accountable without hard rules.
“Stepping beyond your competence can be like stepping off a cliff. Too many people with brilliance and talent within some field do not realize how ignorant, or worse yet, misinformed they are when talking like philosopher kings about other things.” - Thomas Sowell
I used to have his views on vaccines until the institutions started labeling things that were not functionally vaccines as vaccines. For laws to be legitimate & enforceable by institutions, they should be rational & logical. There is nothing rational or logical about enforcing the taking of a vaccine that doesn't protect the individual unless every other person takes it. This is evident in the fact that there are several vaccines that are merely recommended but not required. That's because those vaccines protect the individual, but have no demonstrable evidence of protecting the population.
Do they "protect the individual"? Where are the large controlled studies proving efficacy as well as safety?
Instead of changing the law, they changed the meaning of the words applicable to the law.
One of the reasons why dictionaries were developed was to protect the meaning of words in order to prevent this predatory circumventing of laws.
@@africkinamerican Vaccines have to protect others for mandates to be even considered.
@@martinliehs2513 Those that produce dictionaries are ideologically captured.
If a vaccine is as efficacious as claimed, then no particular individual who takes the vaccine need be the least bit concerned with whether any one else has taken it.
The idea of "herd immunity" (much like "vaccine") has become reshaped and refashioned from its original meaning, into a Newspeak tool to serve political and commercial aims.
Glenn and Philip on the beam!
A much needed subject.
Glenns voice is my woobie
Really good points about the incentives of Public Sector unions.
Bureaucracy flowers in any organization. A bureaucracy is a system & systems exist to perpetuate themselves, Italy's unions (a system) have a stranglehold on Italian society. Naturally everyday folks turn on each other. Americans suffer an onslaught of misinformation in the form of rumors, gossip and innuendo. That coupled with corporate media keeps the misinformation and distortion alive.
I’m a consultant on EPA regulation regarding stormwater on construction sites. The primary cause of violation is not pollution, but not keeping long term records of every little thing. The amount of server space that my company keeps for our clients long term training records is astounding. Records that are often pencil whipped, that cause untold numbers of lost man hours, and such that literally add almost nothing when it comes to actual safety, but is only done to comply with mandated regulation that is so blatantly intuitive it boggles the mind.
Those lost man hours means individuals are employed lowing the unemployment rate causing the federal and state governments to look good. It is essentially Depression era economics.
He is absolutely correct about public sector unions. I know from personal experience. Read the NTEU (National Treasury Employees Union) contract. That is the union contract for all Treasury Dept. Employees including the IRS.
You can frame the argument in terms of accountability, in terms of competition, but also in terms of representation. Why do government employees deserve extra representation above (and against) the general public who pay them?
Correct. I've argued with the "unionists" that (for instance) teachers' unions should have to directly negotiate with the parents/taxpayers they serve. They always say: "electing the school board IS your negotiation," however they refuse to acknowledge that the EXACT same principle applies to THEM. If the "customers'" interests are being properly represented by the schoolboard and local government, then so are the teachers. If the teachers' aren't, then neither are the customers.
30:20 to 32:20 - Really great points on public unionization.
Loving this conversation. ❤
Difficult listen, thank you both for sharing your time and work, Philip, and Glenn, and happy new year, peace
Very interesting stuff Philip Howard. Learned a lot. Thank you Glenn Loury and Philip Howard.
I used to work in a post office with the Captain and Chief of our fire department. We had fire extinguishers in the building and a memo came down saying if anyone tried to use a fire extinguisher in the event of a fire of any size we would be fired. All of their humiliation by the fire department aside, why waste the money on fire extinguishers? Safety first?!
In the Federal Government, one of the Union’s main functions is to protect poor performers from getting fired. Federal Unions have enormous power and use their own lawyers to prevent managers from firing poor performers.
I am OK with unions protecting workers from abusive management (and there are bad managers), but far too much of their time is spent protecting poor performers.
The guy sounds half baked to me. Some of his points are valid, but he is no Thomas Sowell. I've dealt with a "public" employee union both as a member and as a representative. I also went into supervison, having to deal with the union from the other side. Was the union needed? My particular agency, NYCTransit, began as privately owned companies and the union stayed on when the City took over. As a revenue producing agency, the taxpayer is not the sole source of funding. But having so many skills involved, dangerous conditions and occasional abusive practices of management, the union has a place in my opinion.
I found as a union rep that a lot of resources was spent on keeping the jobs of employees chronically getting written up. A few times I felt bad that the agency could not fire unproductive employees who only increased the work of those employees who did their jobs. As far as the example Howard gives about the MTA track crew that would not cut the tree limb in the way, there are pros and cons to that. As an example, when I was in supervision, had trouble getting my employees to do a job that involved cleaning/mopping. They claimed it was out of "title". It was stupid, the skill sets involved was not beyond them. On the other hand employees without the training or skills attempting to do jobs that are specialized just to please the boss can be dangerous to themselves and the public. Howards argument is not a one size fits all.
In the department I worked in the wage scale for comparable work for private companies was higher, even at the laborer level. The difference is that Transit employees are not let go at the end of a job. Having gone to the burn unit to visit a fellow employee permanently disabled, burned from a third rail explosion, at least one funeral and an inquiry of the death(hit by a train) of someone I worked with, I have little regard for haters. Let them come down on the tracks to keep the city running. My two cents.
Please advise Mr. Howard to clean his camera lens. Great discussion! Thank you both.
One glaring omission from this discussion of public sector unions is whether labor relations are subject to binding interest arbitration. Cannot discuss the issue without separating unions based on this concept. Second, management sometimes fails to hold workers accountable due to incompetence. They are not trained or skilled at documentation, coaching, performance management, corrective discipline. There are union excesses but these two talk about PS unions and leave a lot of critical issues off the table.
Not sure I agree with Mr Howard on the OSHA thing. While there are certainly overreaches with OSHA, you are far better to err on the side of caution than to underregulate. In my world (Public Works) there are all kinds of hazards, and sometimes you have to spell it out for people. You can never assume that people that common sense anymore...
The whole part about guiding principles seems almost utopian. Even if everyone agrees on the basic principles, not everyone is going to agree with what those principles look like in real life.
Brilliant conversation. Two points: the trust problem and the lack of agency has been exacerbated by the plaintiff bar, which has flooded legislation and regulation with features that encourage baseless and vexatious lawsuits. There was some mention of the malpractice problem, but it's a much bigger issue than that. And second: Citizens.councils, really? Please consult your English-Russian dictionary for the meaning of "council." Soviet. If you want good government, elect good public servants and give them the authority to act on your behalf.
How did you post 4 days ago?
The Glenn Show made the post Dec. 30th, a few hours ago, according to UA-cam.
@@TheDennisgrass Membership has it's privileges.
Precisely. @@patchadams4me
Speaking to the heart of one of Vivek’s platform points.
Not trying to be rude but there are people working in public sanitation, and grocery store meat cutters that are making more money and benefits than my mom who is an RN for 29 yrs (nursing homes are not unionized like hospitals) its very sad
As citizens, voters and workers we want politicians who give us things using other peoples money. Legalized extorsion via unions is one of those things.
With each new guest, my pile of books grows
the only benefit of public sector unions is to protect workers against horrible public bosses (who seems to never get fired)!
I am part of a government union… and the school I work at is going to go bankrupt because of the union contracts, it can’t afford to pay. I agree with much of what the guest says here. The system is broken.
If you agree, why are you part of a government union?
You can blame the system but after you realize the system is broken and you still insist in being a part of that system, you are the problem.
I work for the state. We have a Union and im in it, a Union with a no strike clause. We CANT STRIKE.
I have noticed an astonishing lack of accountability among individuals. If that trash is not specifically on your property's front lawn, but in the street instead, its not getting picked up, despite the fact that your property is within a community which you want to be nice. Instead, we are being trained to be dependent on government, experts, and paid services to do EVERYTHING for us. This does not bode well for individual liberty and the responsibilities that come with it. With great freedom comes great responsibility.
public labor unions are the lifes blood of the united states... in fact labor unions are the only thing that separates America from the third world these days. When I was a young man I thought it was ridiculous I was forced to give up a portion of my paycheck just for the honor of working with the municipality, many years later I experienced employment in the Private sector within the same field and LEARNED my lesson...
Ask any staunch conservative to list five countries they would live in besides the United States and every single one of them will have strong labor unions... that says a lot more than any blow hard who prattles on about the corporate advantage of exploiting Labor🔥
It's not a coincidence that middle-class income was is the highest at the same point laborer Union participation was😆
TOTALLY AGREE
Many good points here. In my right to work state, we had 4 days off a year that could be used for sick time or holiday and we had to have a note from a doctor stating why we were off if sick, and only aflac for insurance. The public jobs have so much more protection. Everyday you needed to be at the top of your game, as every second of my day for the past 10 years have been timed and scored. I try to explain this to my other family members who have always worked in education or for an academic institution and they think I'm nuts. It was better working for larger highly regulated financial institutions but the mortgage industry became unstable after the bank bailouts of 2008 (we lost over 380 lenders and NO ONE WENT TO JAIL creating huge moral hazard). Interesting and educational interview for sure. I love your channel Glenn. Best to you and your family for the New Year.
Public employee unions perpetuate big government. Taxpayers have to collectively bargain against their own tax dollars. It's immoral. Politicians then vote for unions to have better pay and benefits than the private sector. If you want to work for the government, everything you do should be recorded and made available to the public online.
Vile man.
It just makes sense
20:45 People just want to do the right thing . Right.
No government pension should be paid to people under the age of 65. And no other benefits after leaving employment. Live in the same world as the rest of us
Why? You do not do the same job as them.
I can collect at 59 and im.not a government worker but I am a union member
Wellington's Law of Command and Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy.
Regulations occur because not everyone is willing to control themselves. When the bad behavior becomes a burden, government steps in and adds new burdens. Without really stopping the bad behavior.
I felt this 35 years ago when I was working as a Co-odinatore RN in the hospital . Accountability was completely out .
Absolutely. No unions are allowed in government in the first place. These are public servants. That’s why you pay taxes.
What an eye opener! The influence of unions usurps the public good!
Amen!
Yea, this is the real problem facing our country right now.
Well a symptom anyway.
It IS a major problem.
Teacher's unions effectively run the country and direct its future while being partisan political funding mechanisms.
You should interview my former econ professor Richard Langlois. He wrote a provocative economic history of the corporation and it might be an interesting topic to cover albeit less socially explosive
United Auto Workers FOREVER!
I'm a retired nurse and I can tell you that over a third of the day is spent not doing patient care but doing paperwork that is not only repetitive but much of it pointless. Patient care plans are pointless. A nurse has to fill out a care plan that is just documenting common sense, normal daily tasks.
This man is dead on in everything he points out. I work in major metropolitan government unionized workplace and I see every symptom he described every day. Vivek Ramaswamy should have him as his secretary of labor before he disbands the department.
Teachers aren't underpaid because they don't exist in a free market for education. If they work in a free market for education, their pay will be correct.
Benefits.. when I was moving to DC I asked the toll person at the airport which of the tristate areas were the best to live in…..w/out skipping a beat the answer was DC …. I asked why? The answer was “benefits”.
Agree. It is the biblical principal of the heartening of the heart that exists when rules are followed at the expense of the heart. Pharisees etc…
The difference between public and commercial unions is that the power of commercial unions is kept in check by market forces. If they make their employers too inefficient, or degrade quality too much, the companies go out of business, the union members lose their jobs, and another more efficient company fills the void.
Public sector unions have no such market force constraints imposed upon them since the government uses guns to ensure that you pay for their "services", no matter how inefficient.
The problem is that the private sector unions don't really care if they end up destroying the companies their members work for.
Just look at the UAW. They destroyed Detroit, got countless jobs off-shored, drove multiple companies into bankruptcy and never admitted that PART of what caused that was lobbying for guys who push buttons on the production floor to be paid $30+ per hour. They always turn around and blame "capitalism" and "greedy CEOs" while ignoring their own greed and manipulation of the market through ridiculous levels of government deferrence.
I like him. 👍
Australia here. As someone who worked for the railway for years i can honestly tell you that the unions definitely need to go. They had created such a toxic, unproductive and combative culture by the time i left that the only people who stayed were the ones who remained were those two incompetent and lazy to get employment anywhere else. Cost the tax payer millions of dollars for chronically late trains, and over priced tickets.
Online coops have been ready for everyone to sub contract out their own skills and labor. From ceo to attorney to janitor ,teachers you name it
Public sector has been flat out refusing to accept technological innovation to streamline. It uses it but just not in this way.
I had thought that In the beginning unions were necessary to counter companies who abused their employees - then some people (like Emma Goldman) thought it was a good idea to advocate for higher wages and whatnot. This went too far, now we have teachers' unions thinking it's okay to teach adult-themed material to children and their parents have to accept it.
There are laws requiring teachers to teach age appropriate sexual education material. It seems a lot of corrupt individuals have "trouble" determining what age appropriate is and even more useful idiots are willing to compromise their moral values for money and other reasons.
Health freedom is one of the most important freedoms. Life vs death. You can't be self accountable if you don't have health freedom.
Another excellent program with a thoughtful guest (and skillful host:). In the south (AL, MS, TX, FL...) one out of three billboards on the Interstates are paid for by personal injury lawyers. It's a massive industry that weighs heavily on American productivity and is ignored by both political parties. Same with PS unions...
This was fantastic. From his lips to God's ears.
(By the way... I can't hear Philip K Whomever without thinking Phillip K. Dick. There's only one Phillip K. my friend! He was a lunatic but he was brilliant!)
Has this guy ever worked in a factory?
Those administrative costs for healthcare are obscene.
On some of the other topics. Let people make reasonable decisions. I spoke to a guy who runs safety for a factory & helps them comply with OSHA. Many nonsensical rules.
How was Reagan able to dismantle the Air Traffic Controllers Union?
My “job” life as a hard working, conscientious and effective RN only became tolerable under a unionized government employer.
Lunch breaks? Every day. Wage increases? Commensurate with the increased COL, I’m able to avoid being my targeted by shitty management.
This could be a chicken or egg issue where if only they could ensure that the right people are at the top we could do without unions to protect the little guy like me. But that’s not at all reality.
Let’s hold public unions to account. Abolish them? No way
Public unions are simply a financial loophole for elections. 1:25
Unions have always been Democrat Super PACs. That's why the Left got so upset about Citizens United: it took away their special power to funnel money to campaigns.
I’m with Howard on virtually all fronts except for his position on vaccines. That is where his logic fails…in my opinion.
In our efforts to ensure equality for all, we have used laws and compliance to those laws, to adjust for the fact that common sense and abilities are not dispersed equally within the population. I live in Canada and do not recall the last time a politician ran on being fiscally responsible in any level of government. Only more compliance and bureaucracy in order to level the playing field, and make us all feel good about being mediocre.
I understand there is good and bad with unions. Coming from a public safety point of view, it would be almost impossible to recruit and retain for police / fire / ems. Many metro area public safety departments are overworked and underpaid, especially after Bidens America. People also should realize the Union contracts is what helps with pay, equipment, training, retirement etc. but also for public safety at least the “no strike” clause. Most people have very little knowledge of the “good” unions do. And media to easily can make your avg firefighter/ police / etc look like a lazy thief. I know this after taking pay cuts, insurance hikes, and finally cutting or stealing our pensions. That’s when many quit!
Yeah we’ve degenerated into distrusting institutions and government entities, but that’s largely more than deserved. Getting down to the personal levels feels like an outgrowth of that problem.
So against public employee unions🧐
It is indeed hard to fire/discipline a civil servant. There is so much paperwork and bureaucracy. As a manager you have to do 99% right and an employ has to do 99% wrong. Otherwise lawyers, judges, and bosses are afraid to do anything.
Subjective vs Objective enforcement of regulations. Prone for abuse?
But, he is right, 4,000 laws on the books which are me·tic·u·lous·ly written, and need to be met.
Government employees should be able to represent themselves, not manage themselves and write their on checks.
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Yes that is a tough job and I can understand your hesitation but there are alternate teachers unions such as the AAE and I suggest you look into that instead of giving the NEA more power. The NEA is a private company that looks after the elites who run it, not your interests.
As soon as I could I left our "closed shop" union, Why?
I had an issue, the firm owed me money, The union
took up the issue and they had a meeting with management,
The union came back and said you are right they owe you money
but if we force them to pay you they have said they will implement
a previous pay agreement we have but they haven't implemented,
So we are not going to take your case further because they would
implement the rule that WE had agreed to..
They're all corrupt.
It is naively stupid to think that government won’t go from “ general goal” to micromanaging big brother methods. Simply follow the Constitution and give the states back their power to govern. Our nations problem is our central government and it’s insistence one militarism and world empire.
MadWho needs a filter like Philip. :)
28:42 is the FDR part.
Ya let’s get rid of unions. Then we can all work for minimum wage
You can also get rid of minimum wage
Lol great idea
When you're stupid, you're stupid. When you can't see the train coming, you're stupid. This fits into this narrative.
Unions are merely an aggregation of power. The power of unions has essentially been unregulated and as we all know, power corrupts. At a minimum, union power will exert its power far beyond its initial goals as evidenced by the Teachers Union attempting to control what is being taught.
Just get rid of government. Unions aren't the problem.
Time to end unions
So true that we've become a culture of mistrust, and the beaurocracy built around that to try and enforce good behavior is crushing. At the same time, the most basic laws that allow a civilization to exist, are being defanged as in decriminalization, the open border, etc
Anyone who thinks that OSHA is a good idea obviously has NEVER encountered a OSHA Nazis
If unions for government employees worked perfectly , the existence of them wouldstill be wrong, and should be unlawful.
No organization should stand between public workers and the people that fund their operations.
If the money is taken forcefully, ostensibly for the public good, the taxpayers should have direct control through election of the managers.
For example, property owners typically fund ....pay the salaries.....of teachers. Property taxpayers should have the power to fire any teacher by majority vote.
I don’t think public servants should be paid more than 10% more than the average US worker and if they want a raise then they need to figure out how to raise the wages of all workers. Public servants should be doing it to serve others not for the money.
People think the beauracracy will keep things in order, but you need common sense. Plus, government employees are employees...if they need fired, fire them. Enough of this nonsense
I think election reform is needed to only authorize donations to a candidate or issue can come from citizens eligible to vote in the election of that candidate or issue.
This guy seems incredibly naive about how corporations behave. A general rule that the employer should supply appropriate personal protective equipment was not enough for concrete cutting companies to supply workers with respirators to prevent silicosis, a deadly lung disease. It’s took like a decade of work to get a specific rule because of industry opposition. Corporations won’t comply with general rules. They will just sue the agency for every penalty issued.
This has been long standing practice for companies, common household items that become deadly and they don't recall the item until its too late, it's been happening for at least 200.yrs at least
14:51 WHAT???!!?
Public Service unions are destroying Australia.
Our public services are fiscal black-hole, juggernauts completely out of control with few actually working in their own role due to acting in another's absence.
Unionised public servants have the highest absentee rate in the country despite having the most generous working conditions in the land!
Fantastic analysis, perhaps begin with the abolishment of the Fraternal Order of Police.
I can assure u as a postal employee we'd be f'd without our union. They recently killed a man by falsifying his heat training.