TRIBE 44, THE STORY OF SOUTH ASIANS IN KENYA
Вставка
- Опубліковано 25 лип 2023
- The Untold Odyssey: This story of Tribe 44 takes a look at the long-standing presence of the South Asian community in Kenya through the lenses of a few prominent figures and the views of the younger generation
They're okay. I grew up with Indian neighbors and schoolmates. I've always found them easily relatable, as good as any local. They also contribute big to the Kenyan economy as they are creative and industrious. So we appreciate them.
Tribe 44, you belong to Kenya. You are our brothers and sisters. We should learn from history and not repeat those same mistakes.
Our father arrived in 1927 , his first shop was in Machacos around 1935 in 1940 working in a shop in Athi river with a Sharma family, soon after he opened his first restaurant ( Bombay hotel) in 1950 moving to River road to open Modern restaurant and bar very familiar with East African Asian community. Even ex president HE Jomo Kenneytaa frequently visited, before independence. In 1960 opening a fruit and vegetables shop on River road but it got taken off by force in 1970, so he moved to Cross road and opened another fruit and vegetable shop but in 1974 that got confiscated by state security personnel. Finally with a heavy heart decided to emigrate to UK in 1974. He was the third wave of Indian pioneers who arrived in Kenya. They contributed a lot to the development of the nation and should not be forgotten.
In other words , history will repeat itself . Never trust an African , Never trust Africa . Fools if you think Africans will accept you as an African unless you let your sister marry an African.
Awesome ❤
Indians went every as workers to build railroads.British took Indians to Mauritius ,South Africà,Fiji,Surinam,Trinidad u nàme it Indians were taken to work but they made success of life everywhere they went . It's in our blood to work hard ànd make a living.❤🇮🇳🙏
Well as an African in New York. I had met some beautiful Indian ladies and thru conversation asked them if there were from Indian, and they quickly said nope we are African from Mauritius, and another time an Indian looking lady again who told me she is from Kenya, I was surprised bit not shocked
I woke up this morning to find this. And how wonderful it was. We are all Kenyans and proud that my aunt was married to a south Asian Kenyan. We are different and we are proud. Kenya bracelet firmly on. ❤
Thank you for sharing this documentary. We 'the young generation' need to know this.
i love my indian brothers and sisters, grand parents and all they are very calm and peaceful people love you all we are all kenyans.
Enjoyed the conversation with your fellow student to be the most interesting. Nice, to see the next generation thinking and identifying themselves as Kenyans first. Hongera on this documentary!
Way to go lady…. Beautifully collated …. A great piece of work👍👍
Very well done Mahak!! This is such an excellent piece of work-very well compiled
Very interesting....!!! Kept me engrossed and didn't even realise when more than 25 minutes just flew away. A pleasure to hear young, bold and determined youngster speak her mind. All the best, Mahak. Way to go.
Mahak, this is so well curated! So happy you are achieving what you always wanted to do!!
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Good job. We need more of these to open up the South Asian communities to the rest of Kenya so that we may grow strong together as a country. Lets break the unnecessary barriers that exist.
It's deeper than you think,it's us Kenyans who should up our game to turn the tables around.
How come this immigrants employ locals ,just a continuation of colonization,instead of the vice versa!
What went wrong in our way of thinking?
Have we followed the History of African Americans in their struggle for freedom and assimilation?
Our people especially the Kamba were taken into the Arab world in the 19th century in collaboration with a local elder called chief Kivoi, and nothing has ever been heard about them in their land of capitivity.They are believed to have been castrated not to procreate and or killed.
We forget too soon the atrocities visited on our people as we shake hands and smile.
fala wewe
@@justinamusyoka4986 Very Shocking and disturbing this kind of mentality. We will miss the beauty of one world and one family if we continue to remain stuck in the dark past of colonialism. It's for the current generation to erase these boundaries. What about the so-called 'Real Kenyans' employing the migrants and the migrants also employing the Locals?. It's not about who employs who, it's about who is capable of employing who? And my brother capacity is not restricted to any race, colour, or creed. Africa is the mother of Human beings, all of us have come out from Africa. So the Africans should show the world that side of their nature - Open the doors and assimilate those who want to get assimilated without holding this petty sight of who is employing whom - I know it's not easy to forget the past, but cancer needs to be removed, because if you're thinking in the past you are living in the past. Let good sense prevail - A warm hug my brother. Also don't get mixed up with the oppressors and colonialists and contributors and friends, who have done only good for Africa. Name one person of Indian origin who has harmed Africa and put it out so that the Indian community knows who is the odd man out. My brother, it's India that is fighting tooth and nail to get on board as many African countries as possible in the BRICS. So please don't mix up friends with oppressors.
Very rarely do we get to hear the contribution toward our independence by the Asian community. Glad that you've documented this history. Also very well done.
What happened to those Kenyans captured and taken away as slaves to work in the Arab world especially Oman in the 19th century? Just asking.
The Arab slave trade lasted longer than its successor the Translantic slave trade.
what did they contribute...nugu hii...kuzidisha naona wewe ni mkikuyu...wahindi wangapi walikua msituni....hii ujinga tuwache kama wakenya...if you know history then youll start from the beginning...these people were totally opposed to African rule...only when they realized independence was innevitable did they change their mindset and join the winning team....
@mpenda Kiswahili,Asante Sana ,you talk the truth and am surprised our people buy into this compromised false narratives,to praise the enemy.
A channel called "Black Journals" recently uploaded a video about the hidden history by the Arabs,on the Black race during the trans Saharan slave trade and the Eastern Africa coastal slave trade.Any Black person watching and understanding the true stories on the atrocities visited on our people can never entertain this bullshit.
I recommend our people watch those historical facts and educate others who still assume we got friends out there.
Hatuna rafiki na Mali yetu inapotea Kwa hao Watu bila Sisi kuelewa.Tuko na utajiri mingi lakini tuko bado maskini Kwa sababu hatuna mipangilio yetu sahihi tunagoja kuelekezwa na wengine(adui).
@@mpendakiswahili3053 wacha kusema ukweli we mzee
Happy to hear your conversation. I grew up in Karen, Kikuyu town and Nairobi. I had excellent relation with local people who made my life most enjoyable at the time.
Thank you @Mahek. This is a brilliant piece on Kenyan South Asian. I was looking for books & documentary to understand the history of 5th or 4th generation particularly Indians who came largely from India's west coast. A great resource!
A superb take on our heritage. I’m a product of Kongoni Primary School, South C; Jamhuri High School and without the personal attention of Cotinho, Thind, Verdee, Mrs Mamujee, Shah I would not made it through to University of Nairobi (1975-77). I am eternally grateful to my SA brothers and sisters.
Pio gama Pinto freedom fighter and Malkiat Sihgn textbooks made an impact
As someone who values diversity, I absolutely loved this story… Keep up the good work. Embrace your Kenyaness as a SA
I love this so much! I have definitely learnt something new. This has been so informative and I intend on learning more about the South Asian community 😊❤️
Amazing history.... Good job done by you. All the best...
Exceptionally inspiring conversation. Let this conversation continue so that more and more of the Kenya Asian community can integrate and appreciate their new nationality. I applaud you.
The interview with Mitesh is great!. It is refreshing and insightful listening to his point of view. Great documentary!!.
Excellent piece of history told in unique manner.
As an indigenous Kenyan, this was a fabulous history lesson for me. 8.4.4 never tight me most of this. Now I know why Jevanjee gardens & Desai Rd got their names from.
It’s also clear where the origin of the Kenyan-Indian/indigenous Kenyans beef that exists even today comes from.
Exceptional work. This should be torch in our schools as it’s a part of our story as well.
Which school did you go to? 😂. Some if us were taught this omera!
Go get your school fees refund! You were shortchanged by your history teacher then.
@@lifehacks1019 just so you know, I got a straight A in history in KCSE. Sooo, yeah. Maybe there’s more to my comment than you may perceive? Yeah.
@@Maweresistanceachana with some people who are an embarrassment to well schooled Kenyans
@@RadBunny2269sorry your grades are fake if you did not know the history of our railway line and our independence.
As kenyan. Am happy you have educated me through this very informative video. Hongera sana
Amazing work dear! Got to learn so much from you today!
This is so insightful! Wow! Great job team!🎉
The Nairobi Mombasa railway was built by the Indian labourers brought in by the British. Their history was very much documented in different records and literary works of English authors of colonial era
Well done & very informative.
Appreciate your work.
Thanks for sharing your experiences 🎉 we learned something new
This is such a good piece. Have always wondered how the South Asians in Kenya consider themselves. Really learnt a lot. Now will just see you as Kenyans
The last question about the change that the recognition of 44th tribe officially brought some major changes definetely; We have a high court judge of indian origin, Members of parliament, MCA's even some have tried their shot at higher seats like Governors. it's a positive outcome for all and shows kenya's divesity and the will to embrace all...the future is bright
As a Meru person I can say honestly that we did not elect Hon Rahim because of recognition of Asians as the 44th tribe but because of his deeds before he was elected and for the second time for his work in office and if he continues to serve as he is still doing, he will keep his seat to the end unless seeks a higher office.
The key to be really Kenyans for everyone is to stop this stupid self segregation we have put upon ourselves where we mostly interact at shop counters esp with our Indian community. We should intentionally have some activities together to get closer because no one is leaving Kenya.
No foreigner becames the citizen of Qatar
@@whatkenyan7684 do the indians do the same for us in India...its always the blackman ass kissing
@@michaelcody3960 Thank you....yet these colonised Africans are willing to give up everything just to prove that they are open minded....No other African country behaves like these....im telling you, something is very wrong with my country men,,,,
This was made so wonderfully! Mahak, best future journalist incoming!
India should also recognise The Siddis and give them the equal rights as theirs.
Siddis are already recognised as a Scheduled Tribe in India and are given a protected status.
I think you’re running a few decades behind schedule.
@@kc4276Siddis are massively discriminated against despite being in India more than 60 years, more than 1000 years. Can you honestly say you wish the Indian Kenyans were treated the sameway the Siddis have been treated.
@@inigomulaisho2809 the thing is that siddis doesn't have a sizeable community in India they just in small numbers are only 2-3 parts of india barely any one knows about them in out side of internet or the respected states they have sizeable number
A very beautiful piece. Good job
Amazing 👏
Wonderful reporting.
Only a fool would state otherwise coz they'r Kenyans. Nobody would take away their input in manufacturing, health n hospitality industry in the economy.We are one people🇰🇪 coz we have judge's, permanent secretaries n MPs of Indian origin
Amazing insights!!!...🙌🏽
Very nice piece on history
Awesome ❤️
Wow. I was born in Ethiopia in 1967. Moved to Zambia in 1969. My folks moved to South Africa when the sent me to finish school and do college in India. Joined them in South Africa since 1990, and have been here since.
This is a good start.
I like this 👌 upload more history
@Hope, I wait for the Story you are covering about the lady in Kakamega, I love that passion you have in journalism; keep me posted!
Very educative and interactive learned alot ftom u guys ,we need mire Asiians to come out and socialise mire with ither kenyans
A great documentary 👏
Thank you for sharing 🇰🇪❤
Amazing ❤
Hugely important documentary
This is great. The only thing that led to the problems between native Africans and Indians was the hierarchy of color which was whites on the top then Indians then Black skin Africans. This was not going to be tolerated in an African country and still this kind of racism still exists even to date both in Africa and in India. Unless all human beings remember that they are all one and stop treating black skinned people as inferior then black people will never stop being cautious. I acknowledge Indians who are born in kenya as Kenyans and hopefully the new generation will be less racist.
no need to acknowlegde anything...
Their forefathers built modern Kenya and Kenyan towns mushroomed at railway stations from shops that Indians set up. This was not only a step in the right direction but a fair and just one. But you must never forget Kenya is a tribal federation. There are values we hold that make it work for all its diverse groups.
Excellent 🌹🌹🌹
a kisii who speaks kisii, lives in kisii town, a graduate of kisii university, from kisii tribe, married to a kisii, speaks kisii with a farm in kisii with kisii teachers says that “asians live in an enclosed community”.
😂😂😂😂what! 🤣
What is wrong with that
It’s all about the mix. Sadly we don’t mix. This was so much more evident in Uganda and we know what happened there. Must say though it’s the same all round the world with different cultures.
I suggest you interview the Kisumu people both native and Indian, am made to understand they are well integrated
No they r NOT!
So beautifully done!!!!
Totally!
Those English aid books by ms patel helped us alot
Well done
You keeping both countries pride.
The Indian comunity is interwoven into Kenyan system despite the socio political challeneges ,they are in politics,media,education system business etc
Nicely done Kenyan history.
This should be taught in kenyan schools..
for what purpose,
We love you. You are a part of our nation
Those that never withness immigration, and born in another Continent. Will not understand the Indian or any other people. Immigration is human phenomenonal, and that has been going on throughout human existence. People moved, and settle where they found, happiness, life, and build their home. When in different Continents from your Ancestral home. Your heart will always remain in where you born. Because where you born, there is deep spiritual and emotional connection to the land. Because that is only home you know. I understand this as immigrants myself from African Continent, that lived outside my beloved Continent for over 30 years. I understand emotional connection of homeland.
This captivating documentary delves into the fascinating history of the South Asian community in Kenya.
It's been an incredible journey, and we've put our hearts and souls into this project. Through the lenses of some remarkable individuals and the perspectives of the younger generation, we've tried to shed light on the enduring presence of this community and its unique identity. It's been a labor of love, and we are so proud to finally unveil it!
They are Kenyans but the tribal tag is a God's natural gift.Being a Kenyan it's about believing and sharing Kenyan values while belonging to an African tribe is something genetic .Unless there is intermarriage of Asians and Africans,offspring tend to belong to a certain tribe based on their genes.
These are issues we rarely address, I am glad South Asians feel Kenyan and are proud to be.
they are not, of any concern to us
@@mpendakiswahili3053you're everywhere
Good Job my sister and my brother here... one thing left out which I think is important equally mingle and marry eith other tribes outside the Indian communities.. please correct me if am wrong .. please bring us this topic next.
I grew up with alot of Kenyan Indians we were in the same primary school at Mlolongo also in Narok and also in University
Yes ,!!!!
Tell them .
Where ever someone was born he she is a citizen of that country.despite he she their roots.
says who,,, you....we change everything and start going by your rules
They won't leave the luxurious life of Africa.
I am half-hearted about Indians especially because I had one Indian boss at EPZ who made our lives miserable and gave us half the salaries others got in other countries yet the agreement with the outsourcing company was to give us a fair wage. Well, karma as they say caught up with him, he got so sick but the damage had been done. I applaud the contributions of Asian folk in the struggle for independence and industrialization of Kenya.
@@rotichbill637 daft question.
is kenya industrialized!!! please explain a country that imports most of its goods as industrialized....wacha umama, hawa wahindi hamna kitu
@@mpendakiswahili3053 we make our own tissues for a start, we are among the least industrialized nations if that's your point
Even indians do same with other indians
The labour exploitation is ingrained them since britishers
As a Kenyan, I feel zero impact or zero influence of Indians in Kenya. It is like Indians do not exist in Kenya. In fact I can feel more impact about Chinese and Europeans despite that these groups are less than Indians in Kenya. I blame this on the fact that Indians in Kenya chose a discrete and stealth lifestyle. In Nairobi, you will only find Indians in Parklands and to an extent Industrial area. These are very tiny parts of the greater Nairobi. Indians had an opportunity to establish themselves as a dominant community in Kenya during the first decade after independence but they failed miserably and they blew up this opportunity. As Kenya got its independence, Indians were half-hearted as most of them did not want to become Kenyans and be ruled by Africans. A section of them wanted to with colonizers to Europe while others wanted to relocate to India. The government of Kenya upon seeing and realizing this, they became cold hearted towards Indians and that is when the mysery for Indians in Kenya started to date. Indians have never fully integrated as Kenyans in Kenya. They live in a small close-knit communities that has since become their own undoing because they do not have the numbers in Kenya, hence cannot be able to advocate for anything to improve their own situations. Therefore, Kenya has moved on with its own culture and way of life that literally exclude Indians. A handful of Indians are super rich in Kenya, but they do not use their wealth for CSR activities that could have improved their social standing in Kenya as a community.
I have read and I can agree with you, I studied with indians in high school in jamhuri, to see them integrating with fellow black students was something Hardy , they had an enclosed group.
In Mombasa the Indian community feed 35/40k locals breakfast lunch and dinner daily
My guy, you're mistaken, I don't think you can go to any major town without finding a kwa muhindi shop or sth.They are major business owners here.They are now delving deeper into politics so their influence is definitely gonna grow more. I guess maybe they haven't integrated as much socially but you can't really say they don't have an impact.
@@druggy1868 when things were imported from India they had a big influence in business, look at nyamakima , this place used to be full of muhindi shops, lately there number has drastically reduced as time goes by. The ones progressing well are those who have more attachment to the Kenyan citizens than there fellow indians, I hope you will agree with me on this.
@@druggy1868 May be in your village
Informative, especially on the '60s discriminatory commercial laws. Hitesh is refreshingly integrated and socially aware. However please encourage the use of the term local as it's used in English. Everyone with a Kenyan ID is a local. What you call local are Africans.
local to us Africans means, indigenous....you and your dictionaries can get out of here
Interesting ....and heartwarming ...my Grandfather came in 1905 ....the previous generations of S.Asians were different , they were friendly ,social and respectful of the indigenous people and their way of life ..the rot ,and the criticism accompanying this rot started after the infamous PTL influx from the 90's ...the dregs of society started coming into Kenya with uncouth behavoiur and dishonesty and arrogance ....good to see that this virus has not affected many of us still remaining ....
Iddi Amin was not un idiot chasing Asians away....paying natives peanuts at the same time keeping all the profits
@@mpendakiswahili3053 Not all Asians then ,and even now, are as per blanket implications ...many contributed in a big way to society ,and not all were business owners . Blanket condemnation of the Asian community maybe good for one's self appointed judgemental status but it's unfair ...as unfair as the general attitude we have towards certain tribes ati hawa ni hivi ,na wale ni hivo !! One swallow (a small percentage ,perhaps ) doth not a summer make !!!
@@hemantraval3104 I dont know which group of people you belong to, but in this matter we have to group people from the actions of the majority..we are not talking about single individuals and their achievements...
@@mpendakiswahili3053 That ,sir ,in itself is a big red flag as it cannot ,and should not , become a platform for generalizing..as in every societal group, there would , of course,be a few bad apples . And my reply too,was not for any one individual,rather the whole South Asian community .For it to be blamed solely for lifestyles that see every penny as profit ,and spend it ,not bothering to plough most of it back into businesses is a tad bit wrong . That having bn said ,I respectfully withdraw from this conversation.Thank you for your input .
is it Kenyan South Asian or South Asian Kenyan
People of India origin actually landed along many areas of the east coast of Africa some thousand years ago. Therefore, they are no longer Indians but Africans of Indian origin.
Very insightful. Our Asian folks have done us proud on many fronts. We hope that the future is good for all of us.
By simple fact that your accent (especially the Kenyatta university dude) is not Indian like, but so Kenyan, then you are Kenyan.
un accent makes somebody kenyan! pumbavu...
@@mpendakiswahili3053 upumbavu is inability to realize that an accent can often provide clues about a person's nationality, as it reflects the way they speak a language influenced by their geographic region or cultural background. Tembea huwache ufala.
Nyinyi pia ni wetu🇰🇪
Wakina nani hawa majamaa nimaracists
@@Paconennation uko pekee yako bro.
Divide and rule is the name of the Game.
ati sisi ni indigenous Kenyan 🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅, Alafu mnatuita locals 😂😂 sasa what do you guyz call yourselves ju si Kenyans ...
Hawa watu Hawa eleweki.
I think I need to marry a Kenyan Indian to keep this diverse nation getting together 😜
My 2 uncles r married to Indian women except my father
Indians still maintain their caste and cannot marry outside their caste. Africans like to say Indians are racist for not marrying Africans but in India itself they cannot marry outside their caste. Even today Indians in the US and UK, 2nd and 3rd generation only marry within their caste. Patel is a caste. That is why Patel marry Patels. It is taboo to marry out of their caste as their religion says it will be a cursed relationship. Lots of couples commit commit suicide in India as even though they are Hindu, their parents will never allow them to marry outside their caste.
I think Kenyans take Arabs and Indian as from 'here'...Kenyans are likely to stare at a Nigerian especially when they talk more than an Indian even if theyre from India.
Indians are our brothers and sisters. Kenya is your country and your home
Indian kenyan please involve yourself in politics and army ranks lets build kenya together
Face the truth : jealousy & sheer hatred. Difficult to digest but true.
Hopefully young South Asians will go back to their ancestral home - India and create a better environment for the Siddi (enslaved East Africans in India) who continue to be mistreated and racially disrespected after 500 years in India - as Indians are widely known to be racist.
In every African country you will find Indian community, most shops are owned by Indians like in my country Malawi
super!
But the elephant in the room is the seclusion of the Asian community from the rest of Kenyans. They go to their own schools and live in their own segregated enclaves. There is very minimal integration or interaction during childhood and adolescent years. Social mixing is the exception rather than the norm. I find Indians in Canada are more real and not stuck up/ privileged as those of the Asian community in Kenya. Asians in Kenya are living a parallel life.
Say that you were from india 😮
So why are some Kenyans biased against somalis
Are African indians accepted equally in India ?
Yes, they are called the siddis
that is the real question,,,,they live in the forest somewhere in india.....Africa for Africans
This guy's relative knew Kenya "better than the indigenous people"? Oh really? How does THAT work, my friends?
I never buy anything from Indian shops in Kenya.Nai born and raised.
Ooh kumbe by saying South Asia anamaanisha wahindi....
i had to pose the video to comment, that guy in front of so many books i doubt his truth
his luo, they are very good at ass kissing the master