The caravan people have been there that long they've "forgotten" it's in their landregistry deeds. --- 13.4.3 to carry out such works at its own expense as may be necessary to realign the public footpath numbered 81 between points D and E on the plan annexed to a Diversion Order dated 1 October 1981 (a copy of which is annexed hereto) if so required by the relevant local authority such realignment to be on the Retained Land and further that if at any future time the Transferee requests in writing that the said footpath between the points E and B on the said Diversion Order plan be diverted then the transferors and their successors in title shall use all reasonable endeavours to support any application made by the Transferee to the local authority for the diversion of the said footpath so that it runs from point E in a straight line to the rear of the Property (the transferee being responsible for the cost of laying any new Title number DY315393 6 of 7 Schedule of restrictive covenants continued footpath to the rear of point E) and the provisions of clause 13.4.2 relating to the registration of a restriction shall also apply to a transfer or the grant of such a lease of any land within title number DY315393 adjoining the boundary between the said points D and E to the rear of the latter --- I'll email you.
A little more relevant info "Countryside Act 2000, s.53A provides a ‘cut off’ date of 1 January 2026 for applications based solely on historic evidence: after that date, no claim can be made solely on the basis of documentary evidence dating from prior to 1 January 1949"
@@AceAudits Contact the councils PROW officer, or failing that the ramblers association. There's a whole thing about "use it or lose it" when it comes to public footpaths, I think the date for recording and using them has been extended. They'll care much more than any planning person and be able to decipher the legalities of the register and any rerouting.
they have a lot more clout than oprdinary joe public..... remember when madonna though she could close off a public right of way... she could not do what she thought she could when the ramblers got involved.
The guy clearly doesn't know what public footpath means. There doesn't need to be a path you can physically recognise. It just needs to be a right of way. I'll definitely be contacting the council about this to add weight to the numbers.
Hi, I had an identical issue in Worcestershire. The county council sent out a "rights of way officer" who approached a similar adjacent land owner. The adjacent land owner was hostile to the ROW officer. The ROW officer returned the next day with a cordless disc cutter and re-opened the ROW to the public.
Local council must deal with this. Great vid. The company may not be aware but do need to address the issue. Credit to them at the moment, let us see what they do to be fair.
The thing that the guy couldn't get his head round was about the ownership of the land not changing. Ownership doesn't change anything. Nor does it mean anything. All public rights of way are on private property.
@@garymills7494 Nope. They are still private property. And the landowner has the legal obligation to maintain the right of way and keep it open and accessible.
I would love to hear how this project turns out and would like to see more of the same! I bet there are hundreds of paths blocked off all I've the country.
very interesting . i have a historical footpath blocked near me . the new landowner is a right stinker and the locals really dislike him. caught me trespassing ,but i can charm the birds out the trees and he offered my a job as security to keep out trespassers .
@@mickmcloughlin5816 constant trespasser who takes only photos and leaves only footprints . I certainly had no interest in working security for the clown .
Great content! I used to be a Lake District Warden and we did an audit on all the blocked footpaths there. Amazing how some landowners 'forgot' that the footpath existed. This, especially when they had put up notices to the contrary. It seems that you've found a niche audit experience!
As a footpath auditor myself, the County Council map is the definitive map that Ordnance Survey take their data from. Public rights of way need to be preserved for generations to come. Nice audit, thanks for sharing.
This appears to be a regular problem. I used to walk my dogs along an ancient ridgeway, which was suddenly blocked off by a local landowner some 20 years ago. The fingerpost disappeared and old barbed wire, machinery was dumped in the entrance from the lane. Not wanting to risk injury to my dogs, I walked them through to gated farmyard, whereupon I was challenged by to owner. I advised him that I would continue to use his yard as an access to the ridgeway until the proper access was made safe. He then made a fuss over my dogs being off lead. This was despite them being trained gundogs, behaving perfectly in the presence of his livestock. Since that time I have noticed several attempts to close local footpaths.
I remember a lot of things happening in the late 60s like this when i was a kid and know one did anything about it, i remember a small slip road to some shops having a six foot fence put across to block it off because a bloke didn't like the road going past his property and its still like it today because nobody questioned it at the time.
I have lived here 33 years and it was a footpath/right of access untill glossop Caravans built their building, we used to play in the concrete pipes lining the path and get upto allsorts when i was a kid, you could walk straight though.
Yes it's good that you enquired about that pathway! And it also begs the question as to how many other paths or access points are closed for "no apparent reason"!!
A very interesting video. I await the outcome of this with interest. Anyone who blocks off a public right of way anywhere in the UK without following the due legal process can be prosecuted & fined.
this wont cost the council a penny, it will be upto glossip caravans tio put the path back as it should be.... the ywont like it but tough, they know they nicked the path.. and will not like a path right next to their caravan place due to pikeys ha ha serves them right.. and they need to know the path must be open 24 hours a day..
I'm a hiker and this is a regular area that I visit. So I'll therefore be supporting you in this campaign and contacting the relevant authority. Did you have a look from the other end of the missing footpath Ace?
Would be good if you went to the bridal path and seen if the path was accesable from that end. You could even follow it if possible, see if their are any signs, see where it ends and if its blocked by their fence at the rear.
Excellent audit! Well done. I wonder how many examples exist of what seems to be "theft by stealth" of public land. I read a number of the comments that suggest the firms just ignored their obligation to reroute the footpath. I hope this is resolved quickly and to the public benefit. Keep us all updated.
His business got permission to realign the footpath in 1981 with the clause that any new path must meet up with the two points outside their boundaries. They have obviously ignored the order.
When I was a child, a number of pupils were late for school because someone blocked the right of way with a barbed wire fence. The headmaster took a saw and cut it down himself, with us all looking on. It was a quick and easy solution and never happened again.
There is a road that's been blocked off called Hauge road that starts from the end of melandra road past glossop tip and comes out at gorsey brow in broadbottom,it would be a great route for walkers,cyclist,and horse riders. But the people that live along it don't like peasants going past there big houses and like to come out and tell you so . Think that would worth taking a look at .
A lot of things like this happened back in the 60s and 70s, i remember as a kid of a slip road to some shops was blocked off by someone who didn't like the road going past his property so he put a six foot fence right across the road and claimed a piece of that road as his property and no one did anything about it and its still there to this day.
So... I have contacted the local Ramblers, Peak & Northern Footpath Association, High Peak Borough Council, and Derbyshire County Council I will also be contacting Glossop Caravans for what it's worth, to encourage them to restore the footpath as defined in the property register. How are you all getting on? The more people doing this will increase the probability of this getting sorted :)
Ace, suspect Council Planning oversight in developing the housing estate on the east half of the footpath. The Public Footpath Glossop FP 81 was along the drive when the property was Travis Perkins and no apparent footpath signage back to 2009 street view. Glossop Caravan staff may not have been aware or long since forgot if the signage was missing - but - likely been in documents when purchasing Travis Perkins lot. Suspect at some point in the past Travis Perkins (or Council) removed the signage to secure their rear yard. Also the Council and Footpath maps show the footpath leading to a park to the east before the housing estate was constructed. Appears Council never revised the route of Glossop FP 81 or posted new signage. Need to check the housing estate plate planning application (early 2000s ???) for any revisions or closure to Glossop FP 81. When Travis Perkins owned the property, if fencing was added the footpath should have been addressed in any planning applications. Glossop FP 81 route: Public Footpath 81 went from Wooley Bridge Road along Travis Perkins drive and across the yard behind the building. Path entered the trees and connected to the cycling trail NCN 62. Path continued through the woods and beside 22 Wharncliffe Close in the housing estate. On Wharncliffe Close the asphalt public footpath is clearly visible and maintained 2009 and 2023 street view but there is No public footpath signage and appears on the Derbyshire Council definitive map as a gray walk between homes. The Council definitive map still shows the purple dash footpath south of 23 Wharncliffe crossing several gardens to the park to the east. Could also check if Council intended to reroute the west half of Glossop FP 81 from NCN 62 to the street behind the terrace cottages to the south of Glossop Caravan/Travis Perkins. No street view available. Regardless, definitive map needs updated.
Hi there i was just looking at your video and i noticed that when you looked through the green gates on the bottom left hand side you can see Double yellow lines which extend about 25 meters to where the other companies gates were, as can clearly be seen on google maps this might mean 25 meters of Highway may have been fenced off as well ??? good luck on your Endeavours keep up the good work.
So the company is willing to wait to get a legal enforcement notice from the council rather than be proactive and fix the issue themselves. So instead of getting praise for acting properly, they project a negative light about how they handle everything. How will they fix faulty caravans?
this company already have a shit name for selling caravans that are complete rubbish, the ysell old damp rubbish and pretend its a one owner or carefully looked after etc.. if someone phones up about one and arranges a preview they quickly wash them.. look at the state of the roofs on all their vans....... anyone who wants a van this place is to be avoided big time.
Glossop caravans is 2 miles from me, my son worked there but unfortunately passed away, his job was fitting carpets in the caravans, the boss Nick is a very good boss that couldnt do enough for his staff, my son thought highly of him, to be fair those caravans you see in the video are not for sale, thats the service area where they're refurbished before they go on sale at the main forecourt which is half a mile down the road, everything is ripped out to a shell before all new is refitted internally, they do have a small selection of old caravans for sale that arent refurbed, that are bought as seen but most are refurbed, this company is the largest caravan company in UK and been open since 1976, it's a family business, his father owned it before Nick, I'm not one to comment on these auditing videos but felt I had to on this occasion, Nick is a kind fair boss with a very successful company, I think you're comment it unfair to the company, as a quick Google search for reviews will tell you most customers are happy with the caravans/motor homes they've purchased and have 4.1 on trust pilot, I've never met the owner of Glossop caravans I just know what my sons opinion of him was and how much he loved working there
Great video again, the reaction was better than I thought usually its arrogance and anger, I think he was expecting this, lts hard to think this was an "error" or mistake
The guy seemed to be pretty okay about the whole thing. Fair enough he didn't want to be on UA-cam and I think an audit would probably produce some adverse reaction. But still, I think he was alright. Good luck sorting it out :)
Just a thought on this, but have you tried to access the footpath from the opposite end where it connects to the BridleWay? It would be interestingly see how far you can walk down it until you reach some obstruction or barrier. Fantastic discovery regarding the lack of access to the public, hope you can keep us updated on this.
Great video Ace. I notice travis Perkins was on the site before the caravan centre, according to google earth history the service centre was bulit between 2000 and 2003. But i did notice the manager take a glup when you asked him why the foot-path was blocked. Have you any updates on this matter. The new gates where put up after T.P was closed. ☘
The company is not allowed to block a right of access point even if the footpath runs through private land. On private land, the footpath is maintained by the land owner who must make the path accessible and unobstructed at all times. The land buyers are made aware of this when purchasing the property.
It is a footpath, I was born and bread in the house next door to the site in 1966, used that path everyday, it was formally known as Lee Street which was demolished in the early 70s it is a public right of way which can never be taken away, they are trying to steal land that guy is a bear faced liar and if you like I will meet you there, I saw them build Travis perking, the council used the plot for storage after the demolishing of Lee Street, prior to selling it to Travis perking with the agreement that right of way will never be denied that was in the contract 👍
He's adamant theres no problem, but there is a problem now that he has been informed, therefore he should investigate now that the issue has been highlighted, not keep brushing it off.
So, an obstructed path is one where something is lying (or has been placed) across the path which physically prevents you from using that part of the path. It is a criminal offence, under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980, to obstruct the whole or part of the width of a public path . This should be reported to both the police and local authority and needs to be opened. Full stop.
How old is the map,? as that path has been built over by a housing estate on the other side of the bridleway which was the old railway with a footbridge (no longer needed)
It looks like someone blocked it off along time ago. Its a shame. I don't know what will happen. The council will probably side with the landlord. But its public land that has been stolen along time ago. Were losing all are open spaces and if you found that public footpath how many others have been acquired by businesses building fence to prevent access to them good 1 ace🎉
its not that long ago. look how new the green fence is. the path should be down the side of that building.. its one of those quick put you up buildings..... its why the shingle is down to hide the path.... when they bough the old wood yard thats when the new fence went up. 2 different pieces of land put as one...
Bit late to the party here but, I would have thought that Caravanning and Rambling are quite closely linked and would therefore think that someone who sells caravans would have some empathy regarding public right of way, not necessarily from a personal point of view, but it makes good business sense now that the cat is out of the bag.
I have lived round there all my life and cannot remember a foot path, where Travis Perkins is used to be a row of houses called Lees street, where the caravan place is was known locally as the rubber dump, the bridle path she refers to used to be the old railway line running up to machonacies in Hadfield, why would there have been a footpath leading to a rail way line
As a member of the public using a public right of way, if the right of way is obstructed, you are entitled to cross adjacent landowners property to continue on your way. I.e. you are entitled to abate any obstruction , climbing over obstacles is an activity within your rights. Be aware that you MUST NOT go prepared with any tools that you would not normally carry as part of your trade or business. I recommend taking a council ROW officer with you - they carry disc cutters and bolt croppers as tools of their trade. If the applicable council will not support you, you can involve legal support. I know as I have done this... Good luck. Oh, using the adjacent landowners property to abate an obstruction usually brings the right result - they will not want you crossing their land on a regular basis, as the police do not have any right to remove members of the public using said land to abate an obstruction. The county council are responsible for maintaining said ROWs. Town councils will not act for you.
Wow! Looks like you could've stirred up a hornets nest with this one! I shall follow with interest. it would be good to see along the bridleway and the other end of path 81 if anybody gets the chance.
Does he not realise that his company is now responsible for blocking a public right of way, so like it or not he is responsible for making sure that path is still accessible even if he has inherited the problem.
Good video ....hope u posted any updates?...looks like you’ve found a different subject to audit as I reckon there are many public right of ways blocked off like this ...simply because some local business owner doesnt want people walking past their property ....when it doesnt work that way ..just because that guy has never seen the path doesnt mean it's 14:34 not meant to be there does it
Hiya Ace Audits, excellent video job good job so please keep them coming GL&HF coming from Dulwich London England(✌peace✌) p.s. it seems like somebody has been a bit greedy with helping themselves to the public land ( the greedy Bastards)
Ignorance isn't an acceptable excuse with members of the public and private individuals with legislation, neither should it be with companies and organisations.
Public pathways cease to be active if not used in 100 years..... Just because the guy says the path hasn't been used in 35 years means absolutely nothing.
He doesn’t want to be on UA-cam , his not bothered that there should be a footpath , ordinance survey is probably wrong , and he will not do anything to check interesting attitude 🤔
hiya just wanted to share some info regarding your video edits. just noticed that your aerial footage has the common dji jerkyness when panning around or when moving around. this is quite a common thing when editing videos and is caused when your project video footage in your editor has a different frame rate to your raw dji footage give it a try when editing and i promise you will see the difference. example i shoot my footage at 30fps and when editing my project its exported @30fps and i get zero jerkyness when playing back the footage if you were to film in 24fps and exported to 30fps then you will get the jerky footage as long as your raw footage is the same or half your exported footage then your good to go.
If it was closed more than 35 years ago and nobody objected at the time or since I would have thought that it will be deemed to be permanent and impossible to re-open.
Anyone can apply for a PROW to be extinguished if they demonstrate that it isn’t needed for public use. Maybe due to the fact that an estate has been built on half of it they might get that through, depends on the council, who should favour a diversion instead (normally at the cost of the applicant). Time has no bearing on this though.
The caravan people have been there that long they've "forgotten" it's in their landregistry deeds.
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13.4.3 to carry out such works at its own expense as may be necessary
to realign the public footpath numbered 81 between points D and E on
the plan annexed to a Diversion Order dated 1 October 1981 (a copy of
which is annexed hereto) if so required by the relevant local authority
such realignment to be on the Retained Land and further that if at any
future time the Transferee requests in writing that the said footpath
between the points E and B on the said Diversion Order plan be diverted
then the transferors and their successors in title shall use all
reasonable endeavours to support any application made by the Transferee
to the local authority for the diversion of the said footpath so that
it runs from point E in a straight line to the rear of the Property
(the transferee being responsible for the cost of laying any new
Title number DY315393
6 of
7
Schedule of restrictive covenants continued
footpath to the rear of point E) and the provisions of clause 13.4.2
relating to the registration of a restriction shall also apply to a
transfer or the grant of such a lease of any land within title number
DY315393 adjoining the boundary between the said points D and E to the
rear of the latter
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I'll email you.
Oh wow, that's amazing info. Yes please do email it over ❤️
I've pinned this as people may wish to use it in their enquiries 😊
Wow! That's brilliant!
A little more relevant info "Countryside Act 2000, s.53A provides a ‘cut off’ date of 1 January 2026 for applications based solely on historic evidence: after that date, no claim can be made solely on the basis of documentary evidence dating from prior to 1 January 1949"
@@AceAudits Contact the councils PROW officer, or failing that the ramblers association. There's a whole thing about "use it or lose it" when it comes to public footpaths, I think the date for recording and using them has been extended. They'll care much more than any planning person and be able to decipher the legalities of the register and any rerouting.
The Ramblers' Association is quite robust in maintaining rights to use footpaths.
Absolutely. My guess is this one got overlooked and forgotton about over the years. Not any more lol
they have a lot more clout than oprdinary joe public..... remember when madonna though she could close off a public right of way... she could not do what she thought she could when the ramblers got involved.
The guy clearly doesn't know what public footpath means. There doesn't need to be a path you can physically recognise. It just needs to be a right of way. I'll definitely be contacting the council about this to add weight to the numbers.
Hi, I had an identical issue in Worcestershire. The county council sent out a "rights of way officer" who approached a similar adjacent land owner. The adjacent land owner was hostile to the ROW officer. The ROW officer returned the next day with a cordless disc cutter and re-opened the ROW to the public.
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😂😂😂😂 good for him.
Local council must deal with this. Great vid. The company may not be aware but do need to address the issue. Credit to them at the moment, let us see what they do to be fair.
Hi, you need to use the highway authority, usually the county council...
The thing that the guy couldn't get his head round was about the ownership of the land not changing. Ownership doesn't change anything. Nor does it mean anything. All public rights of way are on private property.
Correction: PROW are public property. The adjacent landowners do not own the PROW, thank you.
@@garymills7494 Nope. They are still private property. And the landowner has the legal obligation to maintain the right of way and keep it open and accessible.
I would love to hear how this project turns out and would like to see more of the same! I bet there are hundreds of paths blocked off all I've the country.
very interesting . i have a historical footpath blocked near me . the new landowner is a right stinker and the locals really dislike him. caught me trespassing ,but i can charm the birds out the trees and he offered my a job as security to keep out trespassers .
@@EvenBigger-Brotherpoacher turned game keeper 😂
@@mickmcloughlin5816 constant trespasser who takes only photos and leaves only footprints . I certainly had no interest in working security for the clown .
dingle in the making 🤣🤣🤣@@mickmcloughlin5816
Not been a foot path for 35 years...so that makes it right 😂
Great content! I used to be a Lake District Warden and we did an audit on all the blocked footpaths there. Amazing how some landowners 'forgot' that the footpath existed. This, especially when they had put up notices to the contrary.
It seems that you've found a niche audit experience!
As a footpath auditor myself, the County Council map is the definitive map that Ordnance Survey take their data from. Public rights of way need to be preserved for generations to come. Nice audit, thanks for sharing.
This appears to be a regular problem. I used to walk my dogs along an ancient ridgeway, which was suddenly blocked off by a local landowner some 20 years ago. The fingerpost disappeared and old barbed wire, machinery was dumped in the entrance from the lane. Not wanting to risk injury to my dogs, I walked them through to gated farmyard, whereupon I was challenged by to owner. I advised him that I would continue to use his yard as an access to the ridgeway until the proper access was made safe. He then made a fuss over my dogs being off lead. This was despite them being trained gundogs, behaving perfectly in the presence of his livestock.
Since that time I have noticed several attempts to close local footpaths.
This has happened to me a few times. It’s infuriating 🤦🏻♀️
Over 60 years ago, was stole by the businesses previously.
Need to get path 81 reopened. Have a ribbon and you cut it to open the redeemed land. :)
I remember a lot of things happening in the late 60s like this when i was a kid and know one did anything about it, i remember a small slip road to some shops having a six foot fence put across to block it off because a bloke didn't like the road going past his property and its still like it today because nobody questioned it at the time.
I have lived here 33 years and it was a footpath/right of access untill glossop Caravans built their building, we used to play in the concrete pipes lining the path and get upto allsorts when i was a kid, you could walk straight though.
Yes it's good that you enquired about that pathway! And it also begs the question as to how many other paths or access points are closed for "no apparent reason"!!
Yes definitely! And thankyou!!
A very interesting video. I await the outcome of this with interest. Anyone who blocks off a public right of way anywhere in the UK without following the due legal process can be prosecuted & fined.
I presume you meant lawful process!
Good video. this is happening all over the country, and lots being neglected because the council does not want to spend money on keeping it open.
this wont cost the council a penny, it will be upto glossip caravans tio put the path back as it should be.... the ywont like it but tough, they know they nicked the path.. and will not like a path right next to their caravan place due to pikeys ha ha serves them right.. and they need to know the path must be open 24 hours a day..
Both High Peak and Derbyshire will have Rights of Way officers.
Report it to them.
I'm a hiker and this is a regular area that I visit. So I'll therefore be supporting you in this campaign and contacting the relevant authority. Did you have a look from the other end of the missing footpath Ace?
Yes, it's blocked off.
Excellent Ace. Very good work 100%.
Would be good if you went to the bridal path and seen if the path was accesable from that end. You could even follow it if possible, see if their are any signs, see where it ends and if its blocked by their fence at the rear.
I was hoping to see this from the drone footage as well
Your local authority should be made aware and they will sort it.
Local public servants not authority as they have none
@@112boatman Ah, ok, the person to seek out is the rights of way officer.
Excellent audit! Well done. I wonder how many examples exist of what seems to be "theft by stealth" of public land. I read a number of the comments that suggest the firms just ignored their obligation to reroute the footpath.
I hope this is resolved quickly and to the public benefit.
Keep us all updated.
His business got permission to realign the footpath in 1981 with the clause that any new path must meet up with the two points outside their boundaries. They have obviously ignored the order.
That's a MAHOOSIVE FINE I've worked with tge forestry commission
Ramblers need to make a complaint to relevant authorities ASAP
Interesting video 👍 please keep us all updated on this. I hope the company ends up removing the gates, making it a right of way again.
Thanks, Steve.
Well done for bringing this tp peoples attention, please keep us informed on your progress. Best of luck .
When I was a child, a number of pupils were late for school because someone blocked the right of way with a barbed wire fence. The headmaster took a saw and cut it down himself, with us all looking on. It was a quick and easy solution and never happened again.
Good video upload enjoyed watching it 👍
There is a road that's been blocked off called Hauge road that starts from the end of melandra road past glossop tip and comes out at gorsey brow in broadbottom,it would be a great route for walkers,cyclist,and horse riders. But the people that live along it don't like peasants going past there big houses and like to come out and tell you so . Think that would worth taking a look at .
Checking the map that route is a designated footpath (footpath 101), perhaps a mass hike down it could be arranged?
A lot of things like this happened back in the 60s and 70s, i remember as a kid of a slip road to some shops was blocked off by someone who didn't like the road going past his property so he put a six foot fence right across the road and claimed a piece of that road as his property and no one did anything about it and its still there to this day.
A Footpath Audit. Interesting to see, public rights of way should never be obstructed unless it’s an emergency. Good one
It was an interesting find, and I enjoyed playing detective lol. I just posted the follow-up today 😁
About the best audit i have ever watched ... thank you ... please keep us updated
It appears to myself to be a public footway with steps along the way 🤷🏼 it’s deffo there 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Quality approach ACE 🎉🎉🎉
Marvellous 🤩
He doesn't what every Tom Dick and Harry walking down his yard or not. His yard 😂😂😂.
He's devoed because he's now going to have to shift all those empty tin cans off that land that he knows doesn't belong to him .... Well done !
So... I have contacted the local Ramblers, Peak & Northern Footpath Association, High Peak Borough Council, and Derbyshire County Council
I will also be contacting Glossop Caravans for what it's worth, to encourage them to restore the footpath as defined in the property register.
How are you all getting on? The more people doing this will increase the probability of this getting sorted :)
Ace, suspect Council Planning oversight in developing the housing estate on the east half of the footpath.
The Public Footpath Glossop FP 81 was along the drive when the property was Travis Perkins and no apparent footpath signage back to 2009 street view. Glossop Caravan staff may not have been aware or long since forgot if the signage was missing - but - likely been in documents when purchasing Travis Perkins lot. Suspect at some point in the past Travis Perkins (or Council) removed the signage to secure their rear yard.
Also the Council and Footpath maps show the footpath leading to a park to the east before the housing estate was constructed. Appears Council never revised the route of Glossop FP 81 or posted new signage. Need to check the housing estate plate planning application (early 2000s ???) for any revisions or closure to Glossop FP 81. When Travis Perkins owned the property, if fencing was added the footpath should have been addressed in any planning applications.
Glossop FP 81 route:
Public Footpath 81 went from Wooley Bridge Road along Travis Perkins drive and across the yard behind the building.
Path entered the trees and connected to the cycling trail NCN 62.
Path continued through the woods and beside 22 Wharncliffe Close in the housing estate.
On Wharncliffe Close the asphalt public footpath is clearly visible and maintained 2009 and 2023 street view but there is No public footpath signage and appears on the Derbyshire Council definitive map as a gray walk between homes.
The Council definitive map still shows the purple dash footpath south of 23 Wharncliffe crossing several gardens to the park to the east.
Could also check if Council intended to reroute the west half of Glossop FP 81 from NCN 62 to the street behind the terrace cottages to the south of Glossop Caravan/Travis Perkins. No street view available. Regardless, definitive map needs updated.
Another fascinating video. Well done
Hi there i was just looking at your video and i noticed that when you looked through the green gates on the bottom left hand side you can see Double yellow lines which extend about 25 meters to where the other companies gates were, as can clearly be seen on google maps this might mean 25 meters of Highway may have been fenced off as well ??? good luck on your Endeavours keep up the good work.
So the company is willing to wait to get a legal enforcement notice from the council rather than be proactive and fix the issue themselves. So instead of getting praise for acting properly, they project a negative light about how they handle everything. How will they fix faulty caravans?
this company already have a shit name for selling caravans that are complete rubbish, the ysell old damp rubbish and pretend its a one owner or carefully looked after etc.. if someone phones up about one and arranges a preview they quickly wash them.. look at the state of the roofs on all their vans....... anyone who wants a van this place is to be avoided big time.
They can’t be that bad as there’s a lot of stock there.
Glossop caravans is 2 miles from me, my son worked there but unfortunately passed away, his job was fitting carpets in the caravans, the boss Nick is a very good boss that couldnt do enough for his staff, my son thought highly of him, to be fair those caravans you see in the video are not for sale, thats the service area where they're refurbished before they go on sale at the main forecourt which is half a mile down the road, everything is ripped out to a shell before all new is refitted internally, they do have a small selection of old caravans for sale that arent refurbed, that are bought as seen but most are refurbed, this company is the largest caravan company in UK and been open since 1976, it's a family business, his father owned it before Nick, I'm not one to comment on these auditing videos but felt I had to on this occasion, Nick is a kind fair boss with a very successful company, I think you're comment it unfair to the company, as a quick Google search for reviews will tell you most customers are happy with the caravans/motor homes they've purchased and have 4.1 on trust pilot, I've never met the owner of Glossop caravans I just know what my sons opinion of him was and how much he loved working there
I lived around there going back to when it was Midco and don’t ever remember a footpath.
Great video again, the reaction was better than I thought usually its arrogance and anger, I think he was expecting this, lts hard to think this was an "error" or mistake
Fascinating video. Thank you.
The guy seemed to be pretty okay about the whole thing. Fair enough he didn't want to be on UA-cam and I think an audit would probably produce some adverse reaction. But still, I think he was alright. Good luck sorting it out :)
He acted like he couldnt give a dam
He should of offered you back to his office to check this out and also offered to open the gates for you
Just a thought on this, but have you tried to access the footpath from the opposite end where it connects to the BridleWay? It would be interestingly see how far you can walk down it until you reach some obstruction or barrier. Fantastic discovery regarding the lack of access to the public, hope you can keep us updated on this.
It's blocked
Great video Ace. I notice travis Perkins was on the site before the caravan centre, according to google earth history the service centre was bulit between 2000 and 2003. But i did notice the manager take a glup when you asked him why the foot-path was blocked. Have you any updates on this matter. The new gates where put up after T.P was closed. ☘
Thanks. Yes, I posted a follow up video ☺️
Thanks. Excellent as always 👍
Thank you so much ❤️
@@DavidMiller-pt5suOh no another troll. She didn't ask for money did she? If people want to give, that's up to them.
David miller the troll is no longer going to be commenting on my channel 😉
@@AceAudits He is on a lot of channels, I assume he has only just found your channel. Good decision, get rid.
@@stuartb4525 yeah doesn't surprise me lol. Clearly he hasn't seen my moderation policy in the channel description 😂
The company is not allowed to block a right of access point even if the footpath runs through private land. On private land, the footpath is maintained by the land owner who must make the path accessible and unobstructed at all times. The land buyers are made aware of this when purchasing the property.
Very interesting! If you do follow this up please update us!
I live in Australia but my parents were from Chesterfield moving to Australia in the 1950’s.
He’s just not getting it is he.
Let’s get this footpath back!!
It is a footpath, I was born and bread in the house next door to the site in 1966, used that path everyday, it was formally known as Lee Street which was demolished in the early 70s it is a public right of way which can never be taken away, they are trying to steal land that guy is a bear faced liar and if you like I will meet you there, I saw them build Travis perking, the council used the plot for storage after the demolishing of Lee Street, prior to selling it to Travis perking with the agreement that right of way will never be denied that was in the contract 👍
Looking forward to a follow-up.
Would have been interesting to see the other end of 81 at the bridleway, good vid tho 👍🏻
go girl, keep us updated please
Just contact your local authority.
He's adamant theres no problem, but there is a problem now that he has been informed, therefore he should investigate now that the issue has been highlighted, not keep brushing it off.
Those gates look different to the fencing, so I suspect they have been installed recently?
So, an obstructed path is one where something is lying (or has been placed) across the path which physically prevents you from using that part of the path. It is a criminal offence, under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980, to obstruct the whole or part of the width of a public path . This should be reported to both the police and local authority and needs to be opened. Full stop.
How old is the map,? as that path has been built over by a housing estate on the other side of the bridleway which was the old railway with a footbridge (no longer needed)
Tameside Ramblers have made me aware of this organisation, which I have added to the video description: www.peakandnorthern.org.uk/report.php
You get things done Fast…no MESSING ABOUT…😂
I drive past here a few times a week, will plough through that fence next time
It looks like someone blocked it off along time ago. Its a shame. I don't know what will happen. The council will probably side with the landlord. But its public land that has been stolen along time ago. Were losing all are open spaces and if you found that public footpath how many others have been acquired by businesses building fence to prevent access to them good 1 ace🎉
its not that long ago. look how new the green fence is. the path should be down the side of that building.. its one of those quick put you up buildings..... its why the shingle is down to hide the path.... when they bough the old wood yard thats when the new fence went up. 2 different pieces of land put as one...
Let me know what happens it would draw a line so the company and public could move on and resolve one way or the other.
Yup, my local branch of Travis also did this approx. 15years ago
When they bought next door was the fence there or did they close it off.
Great Video, please do a follow up video showing the result 👍
There will be, am just waiting for an email, then will be able to share my findings 😊
Bit late to the party here but, I would have thought that Caravanning and Rambling are quite closely linked and would therefore think that someone who sells caravans would have some empathy regarding public right of way, not necessarily from a personal point of view, but it makes good business sense now that the cat is out of the bag.
Glossop caravans are heading for a huge fine.
I support your design to get that footpath reopened even though i am from new zealand
On google street the gates are way back, the new gates are on the public highway. Terrible when these companies quietly remove public rights of way!
I have lived round there all my life and cannot remember a foot path, where Travis Perkins is used to be a row of houses called Lees street, where the caravan place is was known locally as the rubber dump, the bridle path she refers to used to be the old railway line running up to machonacies in Hadfield, why would there have been a footpath leading to a rail way line
It's mapped as one 🤷
Maybe it stopped being used when someone put the railway track across it 100 years or so ago and Lee's street was built
Thanks for sharing ❤❤❤
It seems that on the other end this footpath has houses built on it.
Can you approach the path from the other end, ie the bridle path?
It's blocked of by the company
As a member of the public using a public right of way, if the right of way is obstructed, you are entitled to cross adjacent landowners property to continue on your way.
I.e. you are entitled to abate any obstruction , climbing over obstacles is an activity within your rights.
Be aware that you MUST NOT go prepared with any tools that you would not normally carry as part of your trade or business.
I recommend taking a council ROW officer with you - they carry disc cutters and bolt croppers as tools of their trade.
If the applicable council will not support you, you can involve legal support.
I know as I have done this...
Good luck.
Oh, using the adjacent landowners property to abate an obstruction usually brings the right result - they will not want you crossing their land on a regular basis, as the police do not have any right to remove members of the public using said land to abate an obstruction.
The county council are responsible for maintaining said ROWs. Town councils will not act for you.
That’s what I like to see you get THINGS DONE.you walk the walk..go girl 😊😊😊
Wow! Looks like you could've stirred up a hornets nest with this one! I shall follow with interest. it would be good to see along the bridleway and the other end of path 81 if anybody gets the chance.
Does he not realise that his company is now responsible for blocking a public right of way, so like it or not he is responsible for making sure that path is still accessible even if he has inherited the problem.
did you try to walk the path from the other end?
Blocked both ends
even when you tell him he is not aware ! now that is a very high grade of thick ! i wonder if he lives in a caravan
Good video ....hope u posted any updates?...looks like you’ve found a different subject to audit as I reckon there are many public right of ways blocked off like this ...simply because some local business owner doesnt want people walking past their property ....when it doesnt work that way ..just because that guy has never seen the path doesnt mean it's 14:34 not meant to be there does it
Someone at the council took backhander
Maybe it got moved to NCN 62
Trans Pennine Trail
Please, to update with further information and conclusion
Never knew the ordnance survey would have got it wrong on their maps.
They didn't get it wrong
@@AceAudits😂😂😂
Hiya Ace Audits, excellent video job good job so please keep them coming GL&HF coming from Dulwich London England(✌peace✌) p.s. it seems like somebody has been a bit greedy with helping themselves to the public land ( the greedy Bastards)
Ignorance isn't an acceptable excuse with members of the public and private individuals with legislation, neither should it be with companies and organisations.
Great video this is how it should be done other auditors could learn from this.
He knows it's a public footpath, and has chosen to block it off due to the purchase of the neighbouring property
They can apply to move it, possibly to edge of their property
Any chance of a link to find my street Please
www.findmystreet.co.uk/map?usrn=17391156
Public pathways cease to be active if not used in 100 years..... Just because the guy says the path hasn't been used in 35 years means absolutely nothing.
Top stuff as always 👍👍
He doesn’t want to be on UA-cam , his not bothered that there should be a footpath , ordinance survey is probably wrong , and he will not do anything to check interesting attitude 🤔
hiya just wanted to share some info regarding your video edits. just noticed that your aerial footage has the common dji jerkyness when panning around or when moving around. this is quite a common thing when editing videos and is caused when your project video footage in your editor has a different frame rate to your raw dji footage give it a try when editing and i promise you will see the difference. example i shoot my footage at 30fps and when editing my project its exported @30fps and i get zero jerkyness when playing back the footage if you were to film in 24fps and exported to 30fps then you will get the jerky footage as long as your raw footage is the same or half your exported footage then your good to go.
That fence has not been there 35 years
Stolen public land
The irony that you can't use a footpath when it is deliberately made inaccessible seems lost on this guy
If it was closed more than 35 years ago and nobody objected at the time or since I would have thought that it will be deemed to be permanent and impossible to re-open.
Time is irrelevant, it's not their property & never has been, they have no right to prevent those who wish to access.
Anyone can apply for a PROW to be extinguished if they demonstrate that it isn’t needed for public use. Maybe due to the fact that an estate has been built on half of it they might get that through, depends on the council, who should favour a diversion instead (normally at the cost of the applicant). Time has no bearing on this though.
@@lukeredpath but now that Ace Audits has tried to traverse the public right of way then it’s going to be hard to argue that nobody wants to use it!