Why Are You So Angry? Part 3: Perception is Everything
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History of degrees conferred on women, by major: www.randalolson.com/2014/06/14...
NPR on the decline of female programmers: www.npr.org/sections/money/201...
Barriers of entry for women in academia: homes.cs.washington.edu/~lazow...
Backlash, by Susan Faludi: www.amazon.com/Backlash-Undecl...
Ada Lovelace, the first programmer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lov...
Feminist critique of Custer's Revenge in 1982: geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Cu...
Jordan Mechner's The Making of Prince of Persia: www.jordanmechner.com/backstag...
Maddy Myers on Penny Arcade and rape culture: thephoenix.com/boston/life/116...
---CORRECTION: Myers was not manhandled by a security guard at PAX, she was manhandled by an attendee at Anime Boston who works as an exhibitor at PAX, and PAX's anti-harassment policy has no way of dealing with this situation: / 374957743133581312
Maddy Myers on not wearing skirts to game conferences: www.pastemagazine.com/articles...
Experiment regarding domestic abuse in public: • Våld i hissen (socialt...
Stephen Colbert interview talking about perception: www.avclub.com/article/stephen... - Розваги
I'm a 32 year old woman and a feminist, and oh how delightful it is to be told by young men who weren't even born yet when I got my first gaming console that I must be "new" to gaming
MangaPunkSai I'm assuming that because they made an erroneous assumption about you they must therefore be sexists?
If so, you seem to have forgotten that feminism =/= all women. I am free to dislike every feminist in the world for rational or irrational reasons and it in no way makes me a sexist.
Bo Derrik If you assume something about someone based solely on their sex that is by definition sexism.
MangaPunkSai then i guess sexism isn't %100 bad by your broad definition. Ive had people assume that i like sports, it didn't make me suffer any sleepless nights.
If we are only worried about sexism that shows actual disdain for other people though, you're going to have to work pretty hard to show me how you somehow know that they don't respect you because you are a woman, and not because you are a feminist.
MangaPunkSai That does sound really annoying. The casual misogyny and also the racist crap that you hear in certain online games also brings a lot of shame on games.
Boil Derrik Cause the assumption that a feminist couldn't be a long-time gamer is better?
And yes, if someone assumes you like sports because you're male, that's sexist. If someone thinks there's something wrong with you because you're male and don't like sports, that's both sexist and harmful.
I actually got a little emotional watching this. Though it's quite dry and makes no real appeal to emotion, I felt as though I was watching my own vivisection. Or at least, the vivisection of my 18 year old self. The young man seduced by Chan Culture and filled with deep resentment for any and everything that might challenge his comfortable assumptions about the world. Your diagnosis of the Angry Jack, your explanation of his motives, his fears -- it's all so painfully close to my own experience. I can't even feel contempt for Angry Jack, at this point. Only the deepest empathy and concern. I've been there. And I'm so so glad I got out.
Thank you for making these videos. I believe they're quite necessary.
I'm so glad to hear this. I am a gamer mom who also happens to be a Millennial. Due to my growing up a gamer (I started at 6), I saw incarnations of Angry Jack all over. From hanging out after school playing games with my male friends, and subsequently getting passed over to play by multiple guys in the room (especially when you can kick their butts every time). I've experienced minor sexism in gaming (like that above) and have experienced a pretty extreme one - I was doxxed by an abusive ex on WoW. After I got a 10 year restraining order on him, he tried to have my child taken from me, he got others in our guild on WoW to harass and threaten me, and eventually someone even broke into my home and stole my modem (along with a few other things) so I couldn't play online - I'm just thankful that I wasn't home when they broke in as they left some disgusting vandalism in my home.
I do feel some happiness that people like you have burst your bubble and come to see reality for what it is. I'm sure it was painful for you, but you are helping make the world a better place in doing so. Thank you.
Don't worry, you will snap out if this leftist bluepill state one day.
Yeah I kinda went through a similar phase a few years back, it was in the period leading up to the 2016 election. It was only really after Trump won that it fully sunk in for me and I was like "What the fuck have I been doing with my life?". I guess you could say that that was when my bubble finally burst and the reality of my life began to sink in. Nowadays I'm perfectly fine and I feel like I've come full circle, since I've started watching a lot of videos that debunk and destroy A LOT of the same stuff I used to wholly buy into not so long ago. So yeah, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk lol.
Edit: I don't even live in America anyway, I live in NZ, so retrospectively I have even more questions about how I managed to sink into that whole culture. After the Christchurch Shooting though, I realized that there are some legitimate Neo-Nazis in my country, and now I am very relieved that I didn't sink further down the Ant-Feminist Red Pill rabbit hole.
@@antonslavik4907 you sound like a cult member. life is complicated and nuanced. putting thoughts into your decisions and mindset does not mean you are "cucked and blue pilled". viewing every single issue through the same lens of a "ReD PiLLed AlPha" severely limits you and makes you boring and predictable. Think for yourself.
@@davem7173 The leftists are laughing at your conspiracy theorist ass. We are united, blue pilled cucks SJW and MAGA trumpsters against moronic Rachel and her cult following. Continue entertaining us.
"Stop making me feel guilty!" = The subconscious drive behind so much of the Angry Jack mentality.
When it's brought to our attention that we might be participating in something unjust that does a lot of damage to people who aren't like us, a typical response is to the natural feeling of discomfort is to deny that this is really the case. Then to feel anger directed at the sources of discomfort (ie: those who point out the hierarchical social structures which they're largely on top of).
But here's the thing, you are not _responsible_ for whatever advantages you have been given to the detriment of others, you are only responsible for how you respond to them. So feeling guilty doesn't make any sense if you're prepared to accept you have those advantages and try to work against them to maybe help out those who aren't advantaged.
Of course you are responsible. You personally set up those systems and structures. That's why it's okay to dismiss any harms that those systems and structures do to you as "backfiring".
@@YouthRightsRadicalare you saying that white people in the 21st century are personally responsible for the centuries old systemic Race issues in the US?
6:15 spot on! Ironically to anti-feminists, taking the red pill means staying in your safe space.
I woudn't say that, Samita. While I disagree on a lot of topics with RP philosophy one can't say they're not trying hard to leave their comfort zone. And I think that overall they're right! Most red pill people got into it because they started off as very feminist young men that grew frustrated with the way being a feminist was hurting their success with women. Unfortunately after having read this video's comm sec I think most of us are destined to stay trapped in information bubbles without being able to have a dialogue.
"Being a feminist was hurting their success with women..." Um, Nicholas, I am a woman. TRUST ME when I say that the RP Philosophy/Roosh/Cernovich, et al. crowd have NEVER, EVER made a woman climax in their entire lives. You are young. Please don't follow them. It's not a good road to go down.
Check out ContraPoints' video on pick-up artists.
I'l check that vid out asap, but I don't like the fact that you use being able to make a woman climax as a validation of somebody's theories/opinions. If Roosh made hundreds of women climax my opinion of what he says wouldn''t change much. Anyways I might be biased since I think orgasms are overrated.
@@NZ.UA-cam how would being a feminist hurt your chances with women? because women have no self-respect, or they want to be suppressed or some shit? how does this make sense to you?
Excellent installment. I think it's an incredibly good point that, by and large, Angry Jacks are living in a bubble. On reddit I constantly see things like "Gay people can get married now. Can we stop talking about gay rights yet?" and I think "Are we... really bothering you that much?"
dramagirl99 "Are we... really bothering you that much?" yes, the answer is yes. We bother them a *lot*. Because we represent the unconfortable truth that they are priviledged.
Nasst I think it is not that they are uncomfortable with being privileged, but rather that they are uncomfortable with the fact that deep down they think you might be happier than them. I mean, that is what gay means right?
***** See, but this mentality sucks. It shows a lack of empathy. You can indulge in your selfish interests, but ultimately, you don't live on this planet alone, and because we all share this planet, we have individual responsibility to make it less shitty. If that means listening to other people talk about things that affect them, even if you get tired of hearing about it, you need to understand that the discussions are important, and it's important to help lift those voices up. We speak--in the west--so often about the concept of justice and things being "right", but when discussions about it come up, people get upset. Why is this? Why is it such an offensive concept to some, that the idea of everyone in this world having a fair lot in life--being judged not on arbitrary identifiers like race, sexuality or gender but on their integrity and quality of character? It's so confusing to me. Especially since children seem to have a better concept of this than adults. What happens as they get older?
WOW SO COMMENTING Much of the progressive movement judges people based on their race, sexuality, etc.
@@BUDGETFREE people get too complicated. try using shorter sentences. But without patronizing...it takes practice.
Though I feel like the "Red Pill" crowd aren't so much about denying sexism as it is about justifying sexism.
Have you watched the documentary "The Red Pill"?
@@YankeeDoodleDandy yes, and I think it's a massive shame that people have twisted the reporters original making behind redpilling to be so damn toxic.
The documentary refers to redpilling as accepting or wanting to understand other facets of hardship and oppression that males face as well as females.
However since then it represents a direct opposition to feminism, as opposed to a supplement to it
Well of course. Feminists have been doing that for a very long time. Why else would the majority of educated first world women still not consider themselves feminists? It's not because they don't care about women's rights..
Moo, I used to be a woman that was resistant to the term "feminist", and then I realized that the only reason I was resisting it was because on some level I wanted male approval and I thought that branding myself as a feminist would make me less desirable to men. I did away with that thinking years ago. When I see a woman that says she believes in her own rights, but rejects the term "feminist", what I am really seeing is someone that is willing to subjugate themselves out of the desire to conform to patriarchal standards and attract mates. I have to remind myself that such women need pity and to be educated. Women should never have to make themselves less so that men can be more.
@@YankeeDoodleDandy that didn't relate to what I said at all.
I was saying that the term "redpilling" is now about attacking feminism just as your doing now as opposed to highlighting hardships and unfairness faced by men AS WELL AS women
Red pillers definitely took the wrong pill so they could continue to live happily in their fantasy. XD
The red pill at least has the correct color to indicate the person's likely political affiliation. But The Matrix got the meanings wrong. It turns out the red pill / red party is all about living in a fantasy world full of "alternative facts", while the blue pill is about choosing to step out of one's comfort zone and see reality.
Neo took the red pill and he got to believe he was a hero working to save the world.... but the blue pill would have shown him the truth -- that he had spent his life benefitting from systemic inequality and was, in fact, part of the problem... and that he could become part of the solution if he would just spend even a tiny amount of effort.
- Red pill = gamergate, bigotry, inequality, ignorance, fake news, corruption, conspiracies, hate groups, etc...
- Blue pill = science, diversity, equality, education, integrity, empiricism, progress, kindness, etc...
Both groups believe they're right... but one has actual data to prove it, while the other only has fancy rhetoric.
I want a society built on red pillars! Communism that is, sorry that was grammar joke, and Antifa are the real grammar NAZIs!!!
The Red Pill doesn't have anything to do with Gaming.
@@ToyKeeper That's total bullshit, the vast majority of Red Pilled men are from every grade in the political spectrum, some are progressive, some are anarchist, some fascists, and the majority that I talk to are actually liberal which is how they came across the red pill in the first place by exploring the spectrum and realizing how they've been fucked. The more you people keep up this dumb ass pretense that The Red Pill has to do with TradCons (Traditional Conservatives) the more impact we will have when we blindside you from the opposite direction. There are no such things as "alternative facts" something is either a fact or it's not. We do not believe in this _"Reality is Relative"_ bullshit. The Red Pill is about waking up to reality with no fucks given as to how shocking, painful, delightful, or inconvenient it may be. The Blue Pill however is about saying _"Fuck Reality because Safespaces and muh feelings are more important than reality!"_ Being blue pilled means you value emotional safe spaces over facts and reality. It means you do not have the stomach to face reality and so you hide from it. Red Pillers are rebels in this regard in that we say _"Fuck your emotional nurseries, we want the facts!"_
_"Neo took the red pill and he got to believe he was a hero working to save the world"_ Except that Neo was not the only one who took the red pill. You totally missed the mark on this one. The Red Pill is a metaphor for _"knowledge that enlightens hence wakes you up from the stupor of ignorance"_ When Neo took the red pill the first thing that happened was that there is something not quite right about "reality" when he looked into the mirror. Also, he choose the red pill only because he already suspected that there is something not quite right with the world. Morpheus alluded to it by picturing it as _a splinter in your mind._ _"It is the world that has been pulled over your mind to blind you from the truth."_ And what is this truth that Red Pillers speak of? That Man is a *disposable utility* to both society and especially to women and women themselves operate under a predictable function that is alien to both virtue and morality which is colloquially called Female Nature. Man is the battery that powers the machine. ua-cam.com/video/zE7PKRjrid4/v-deo.html
We borrow a lot of metaphors from The Matrix because they are very useful tools for communicating and expressing the reality that men are living. ua-cam.com/video/00TD4bXMoYw/v-deo.html Take _"The Machines"_ as a metaphor for *The Machine* (Society) and how it dehumanizes Men and locks them into this fantasy world of cultural norms, rewards, expectations, and pressures in order to extract as much utility from him as possible while giving us nothing in return. It's an all take and no give relationship and we are sick of it. How are men duped into this deal? As Morphemes says there is _"a prison for your mind"_ a system of social norms that manipulate men into compliance by keeping them unaware of their exploitation and them getting ripped off. Man doesn't fully enjoy the fruit of his labor when it is siphoned away by the system (Taxation for example) and given to women (Welfare). That knowledge and awareness of this royal screw job is what we call The Red Pill. In the clip I just linked you notice that red is also the color of the apple that the machine ambassador is holding. This is more symbolism and metaphor. The Red Apple was the very first "Red Pill" of sorts if you believe in the Christian creation myth. What is it a symbol of? What happened to Adam and Even when they took it? Their eyes were opened! ua-cam.com/video/BgXrhQA4pdY/v-deo.html Notice that while Eve took the fruit it tastes sweet and pleasant whereas when Adam took the fruit it has a whole other effect. The Matrix from our perspective is a metaphor for Gynocentrism. The illusion that women are the only important thing in life and that we must all slave away for their benefit and be content with their validation of our masculinity. Our response is to say _"Fuck That!"_
After a man takes this bitter pill he either *goes his own way* (MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way), chooses to fight back in a very feeble way by thinking he can work with the system to fix the system (MRAs: Men's Rights Advocates), or he thinks he can win by playing the system (PUAs: Pickup Artists), or finally he can become so disillusioned he becomes _"Black Pilled"_ which is Nihilism. So to clarify:
The Red Pill: Enlightenment, Courage, Reason, Hot, Truth, Knowledge, Science, Facts, Information, Curiosity. The color red is not a coincidence. It is the color of fire, it is a hot color. That is why in the creation myth the forbidden fruit is portrayed as a Red Apple, fruit contains seeds which are meant to sprout and grow. The Red Pill is not Red because of some bullshit political idea (Right Wing). It is red because it is a metaphor for FIRE! ua-cam.com/video/ygRNEy8mPjk/v-deo.html Other myths portray the forbidden fruit as fire, the god Prometheus gifted fire to man, another metaphor similar to the Red Pill.
The Blue Pill: Ignorance, Cowardice, Stupor, Sleep, Cold, Compliant, Submissive. The color blue is a cold color, it is lifeless and still. Taking the blue pill means you do not have the heart go to further, you want to go back to sleep. This is why NyQuil and all sleep-aid medicine is blue - literally blue pills. We associate it with sleep and calmness. Blue Pillers are those who want everything to go back to how it was. TradCons are Blue Pillers. Right Wingers are Blue Pillers. They want society to go back to the dark ages of strict gender roles and complacent attitudes to the state and societal conformity.
Both groups may _believe_ they are right, but only one of them *is actually right.* Which group you may ask? The group that has the facts on their side because they themselves are on the side of Reality!
As a Trans feminine person, I kinda hate that Red Pillers appropriated a symbol from a movie made by two Trans women who vehemently disagree with everything that those guys stand for. Why can't we have nice things??
If this were made today, it would be about Greta Thunberg rather than Anita Sarkesian.
Yeah kinda... although greta talks about climate change, not sexism, which funny enough also fits well with the bubble.
Yeah. The reasons are the same. Did you notice how everyone was yelling about how “she’s singling out the US! Go after India and China!” when she spoke to the UN at large
@@davidtaylor142 they weren't even that polite let's not bullshit. There was way more "why the fuck should we listen to this little girl?" A oilfield company form my general area released a sticker that said "FUCK GRETA" and I don't want to go into anymore detail than that.
Ethan Herrick an oil field? Jesus.
How dare you
This was absolutely brilliant. The part about the bubble popping really struck me. I grew up a white, male, cis, straight, middle class man. And it's true, no one will pop this bubble for you. I can remember when the bubble popped for me and I started seeing things for what they really are. It is a stark transformation. I truly hope you will continue making videos because your analysis is dead-on.
I did
This is SO on-the-nose, I love how relatable you're making these concepts. The "why" of this reactionary cultural backlash is an incredibly interesting topic, and you're doing it justice.
I'd be interested in seeing you explore how that idea of 'geekdom as simulated ethnicity' reinforces this bubble. "Geeks" really have become the kind of domineering in-group we supposedly grew up hating.
The whole "gamer" or "geek"/"nerd" identity is something I despise. Everyone is a gamer, it's what people do. If "gamer" is the one label out of thousands that make up an individual that one picks to identify oneself by, then that's a complete waste of 99% of one's individuality.
@@monsterfurby ooooooooo
Only if 'geek' has been redefined in some way?
I'm a professional hacker for example, and we typically call ourselves geeks. But many of us were adults when 4chan arrived, and saw it as the misguided kids acting like the dangerous little monsters kids can be if left unchecked.
So the label seems to overlap some.
Same with gaming; I'm avid for it, but quite frankly fuck PvP as an entire concept inho and the pretty pathetic concept of trying to achieve a sense of superiority at someone else's expense.
With that ledt out, I don't really end up enmeshed in the associated micro-dramas and foul, pointless invective.
I guess it's true:
"Language is the liquid,
That we're all dissolved in,
Great for solving problems,
After it creates the problem..."
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I'm watching these videos because you recommend them in one of yours❤❤
@@geroffmilan3328 >, but quite frankly fuck PvP as an entire concept inho and the pretty pathetic concept of trying to achieve a sense of superiority at someone else's expense
Chess?
Computers were literally co-invented by a girl; Ada Lovelace with her mentor, Charles Babbage.
Angry Jack blew up and rage-quit one of my communities simply because I said it'd be nice to have more women in tech -- like Ada Lovelace, the first programmer. Jack had already been hating at me for months, for simply existing as a female programmer in a male-dominated field... but the Ada Lovelace comment really set him off. He launched into an angry rant, some people told him to calm down, and he rage-quit.
One of my hobbies is to make, and give away, free software. I also answer a bunch of tech-support questions and try to lift people's spirits with jokes. But I do this in a male-dominated field, and I'm not male. So I get attacked for it... a lot.
The amount of Angry Jacks I have to deal with on a regular basis is ridiculous. Because I'm not a guy, and my work is used in a mostly-male field, I get attacked frequently for just being there. Insults, sexual harassment, smear campaigns, being impersonated, getting doxxed, extortion attempts, death threats, harassing me and even threatening my clients and fans... these are all things I've had to deal with, just to participate in a hobby I like.
So it'd be nice to have more women in tech. I shouldn't have to fight this hard just to enjoy a geeky hobby.
Also, admiral Grace Hopper invented the compiler and COBOL. Radia Perlman invented the spanning tree protocol. Margaret Hamilton invented software engineering while working on the NASA Apollo missions.
Also the father of modern programming, Alan Turing, was gay.
computers were invented by Konrad Zuse. Youre talking about programing and programing language.
Growing up as a girl that was really into comics and gaming, this series feels like vindication, because I had to laugh off so much I’ll treatment, pretend it didn’t affect me, but bit by bit, with each passing comment and threat, I felt more isolated, I remember Anita’s series and how it felt that for once, I wasn’t making it up. I wasn’t crazy. Of course being a Muslim POC didn’t help. But the backlash was so strong, just seeing how upset people stalked her and threatened her. Until one day, I put down gaming for the last time and accepted that this was a space that didn’t want me
I gave up doing something that I genuinely truly loved. I hadn’t gone back to video game stores or comic book stores I left online spaces where people discussed topics I loved and I didn’t engage in that hobby anymore
This is fucking amazing. You're doing such a good job of explaining not merely gamer culture but also privilege much more broadly.
internisus I doubt it, when one side controls all media access, that is true privilege.
Wealth is true privilege.
Its notable most of the anti gamergate people are directly associated to great wealth, Brianna Wu's parents are wealthy, Zoe's squeeze is a trust fund child, as is Anita's Johnathan Mcintosh.
wooo weee It's definitely a conspiracy.
+bweazel what's misleading about it?
+Andrew Cross It's kind of funny that the video series is about people who react by dismissing things that would force them to look critically at themselves, and bweazel reacts by dismissing it rather than looking critically at himself.
@@bostonmarketfeministbookclub Yeah, believing that the wealthy and powerful are influential is such a bizarre conspiracy theory.
I agree with the assessment of the video, especially to the problematic of popping your own bubble. I am a huge fan of H. P. Lovecraft's work, my favourite being "Shadow over Innismouth". I really enjoyed this story for its ideas and the way it slowly went from open fright of the unknown to body-horror to this unreliable narration that might all be madness.
Then I read this other story of Lovecraft in which he describes a black boxer and suddenly my eyes opened: IT'S ABOUT RACE MIXING! IT'S A RACIST'S VIEWS ON RACE MIXING!
Now I still enjoy Lovecraft's work but I understand that he wrote it out of a paranoid fear of losing control over what mattered to him and his warped perspective of "the other" and his own sense of security. It's still good horror but you have to understand where it comes from
I had a similar revelation in university when I studied Edgar Allan Poe. I didn't know until then that he was anti-slavery abolishment.
Wow, this is fascinating, I knew very little about Lovecraft, but the two of you paint a similar case for him being more racist than everyone else in a time of open racism. You both make strong and similar arguments for it. So now I gotta look it up on wikipedia, and then some English journals. We are products of our time, but I'm not down with celebrating someone who was a bigot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#Race,_ethnicity,_and_class damn - checks out. That's not pretty. It makes you reconsider the motivations behind characters like Cthulu, if that was his fucked up take on a foreigner. But that's the problem, once you open the door to looking at his racism, and acknowledging it, you have to wonder how it expressed itself in his work. If he was inspired by racist ideals to create a character or plot. A good story is still a good story, but it has a bad aftertaste if you know it's written with racist themes.
I think I heard from Hbomberguy that a lot of gay people like H.P. Lovecraft. is that true?
@@tomhill3248 let me ask The Gays ;p That video is great, and it rung even more true after I discovered I was not as straight as I thought either. Funny how ones whole perspective on things changes once you're not part of the majority anymore
Seeing people complain about trigger warnings is obnoxious.
Beyond the practical uses of trigger warnings and whatnot, it's funny how most of those folks aren't complaining about content warnings and movie ratings in equal measure.
fivvyfavvy I would be very fine with just calling it a "content warning" instead. "Triggers" are a real thing experienced by people with post-traumatic stress disorder. No, you don't get PTSD from "gendered harassment" like this video warned for, and using trigger warnings as a way to warn for that is not doing people with actual triggers a favor. There's no problem calling it content warning instead and not risk disvaluing the weight of the experiences of actual PTSD victims.
fivvyfavvy Or spoiler warnings for that matter. Are people really going to be in distress if they have the season finale of Game of Thrones spoiled? No. But we respect their rights to have the plot points kept from them without ridiculing them on top of it.
Misfortunate Llama, in your reply to me you're conflating having PTSD and being triggered with getting PTSD FROM a trigger like gendered harassment. The point of trigger warnings is to let someone know X thing is coming that could precipitate a flashback, anxiety attack, or otherwise "triggered state." It doesn't have to be exactly what they experienced to be triggering, and not everyone who's a survivor of violence, trauma, or other forms of situations that cause things like PTSD will react I the same ways. Hell, the current literature says that only a minority of people who experience traumatizing events (under the current definitions in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 5) actually qualify for a full diagnosis of PTSD. For survivors of things like ethnoviolence, DV, sexual assault, etc. seeing images like the vid of the woman being cornered in the elevator can be triggering.
Misfortunate Llama Gendered harassment can totally be a PTSD trigger for, say, someone who has repeatedly received death threats due to their gender, or had gender-based harassment escalate into rape, or so on.
It's always kind of darkly funny to me that some people genuinely grew up believing the world is a just place.
A large part of why many people struggled with believing me when I came out as a gay man four years ago was that I was a gamer who played shooter games. Many of the people who said it were women who had been given the impression that because the industry and gaming media was dominated by white, cis men, somehow it must be exclusive to them. I feel like that might have kept a lot of women from experiencing games (proper, good games with little problems in terms of feminist analysis), especially when talking to my sisters after each LAN party I went to. "I bet there were no women there, and that those who were there were just there because of their boyfriends" they used to say. They really aren't doing themselves any favors by talking like that. I used to attend "The Gathering" a few times and they refused to believe me when I said that one year it was almost 50/50 men and women, and I refuse to believe half of them were in a relationship with the other half.
I'm not much of a gamer any more but in my 20s we used to have FPS LAN parties and most all of us are gay men. It seems the games were a lot less problematic in the feminist sphere (although the characters were most all men), but the idea that gaming can't be for gay people is weird to me now. Then again, I'm not much of a gamer anymore.
The best thing about these videos is how the points you make prove themselves over and over again in the comments. It's almost some kind of social experiment going on, love it!
Kafka traps are very effective tools, yes.
The funny thing is, this actually explained to me a rather different phenomenon. Everyone who's Dutch, or maybe even Western European, knows the problem the Dutch are having around our annual St. Nicholas fest: Zwarte Piet (Black Pete). It's a pretty racist charicature (seriously, google a picture), but most of the Dutch people will defend the SHIT out of it, and blame the ones even questioning it for being hysterical, trying to take away our traditions and changing something that wasn't really a problem ot begin with (while of course, the Pro- Zwarte Piet are maybe even more hysterical in defending it and almost shaming everyone who dares to call it racist). I guess it's just painfull to think of something that they grew up with, that they have pleasant momories of, as being racist...
That REDPILL thing actually truly does piss me off since they've actually taken the BLUE PILL.
And that's how the Matrix works.
I've never considered myself an "Angry Jack" sort of person, but this video series is really helping myself re-align my views of myself and the world around me. My question to you, +innuendo studios, and to all of the viewers, is what's the best way to deal with the Jacks we recognize in the world around us? Despite what you said about vegans and their life choices, I have certainly met vegans who have this snooty, superior tone to their voices when they tell me their dietary decision. So, in an effort to avoid sounding like that, what does everyone think is the best way to approach this issue from the side of awareness?
Understanding why are they like that, helping them out. Empathy
Short sentences that aren't too flowery, and an assurance that all of humanity is like that, so it's not really their fault. It's all Envar Pashas fault. Worked wonders for me. Try to talk about globalist framing then in the way a leftist might usually frame Carnegie or Vanderbilt. They seem to get that a lot easier.
a scapegoat helps massively. Also helps if the scapegoat is a genuine piece of shit like Envar Pasha.
I'd say the best approach is to emphasize it is a system we all grow up in, that the people calling on sexism or racism are not "morally superior", they're a part of it like everyone, just more conscious of the phenomenon. That it's no one's fault specifically and it can be debated, as long as you accept that the phenomenon exists.
In this regard I find that using criticisms of feminism or antiracism as formulated by reactionaries 100 years ago for things that everyone nowadays considers obvious (like equal rights for everyone in the law), helps to take a bit of distance from today's issues, because they can't really disagree with that. Then you can propose the idea that as in the last 300 years, we made a few steps since then but the whole process is ongoing and sexism, racism, classism leave traces that didn't disappear over night because we just changed the law.
Ultimately I don't think you can do more than open the door a bit, then people open it if they want to, you can't force someone to be aware of something they don't want to see. But the less they feel judged personnally the more they can consider the phenomenon with an open mind. And it just takes one time they start thinking about it that way to plant the seed.
A few months ago I watched this video and agreed with the Sarkeesian haters. Then I watched a ton of Innuendo Studios, ContraPoints, and other peeps and I think my bubble was popped.
congrats man!
@Romulus Paradise Can you really not detect the passive aggressive attitude you present and compare it to what's in the videos?
@Romulus Paradise Nothing. It's just that you've just spent 30 minutes watching videos about angry Jack and how his anger is misunderstanding himself and his place in the world. And instead of a rebuttal, you just angrily try to recruit others to be angry with you.
@Romulus Paradise So in your world,
"her arguments were very manipulative and deceitful, and she did it precisely to get the reaction she got."
" Her purpose was to upset gamers and those who enjoy games."...
So she turned thousands of gamerboys against her, by lying and manipulating. For no other reason than to upset them. And the reason you think this is bad is, and you cite a cartoon as evidence for this, that the entire third world was ignored by the UN as the silly world leaders sat and listened to her as she lied through her teeth, I suppose to further upset gamerboys.
And furthermore, her end goal, as I hear it is world domination.
@Romulus Paradise Yes. I was just making fun of how dumb you're.
Wow, this was a really good video. The bubble analogy--that's a very clear/illuminating way to explain the fragile mindset that has turned to hurting the victims rather than admitting the institution they believed in/have always trusted in, could be awful. Considering how often victim-blaming happens in elite institutions by otherwise not-immoral people who just don't want to lose their faith in an establishment they had judged as "good," this makes a lot of sense.
I'm disappointed that I am only just discovering this channel. It helps my life make much more sense, and I probably would have made fewer mistakes if I found this sooner.
This is mostly irrelevant to the video, but ohh my god it's so fucking refreshing to see someone LISTEN when they're told calling people psychopaths is ableist as hell, like TO THIS DAY most people have trouble with that so thank you so much
It's with a lot of retrospective after watching this now and how important the Barbie movie's message is that you realise that these same people are still around and havent changed in almost 10 years.
In computer science we have a paradigm known as Object Oriented Programming, of that paradigm there is a well known an accepted set of principles known as SOLID. It stands for Single Responsibility, Open Closed, Liskov Substitution, Interface Segregation, and Dependency Inversion. Of these only one is named after a person, the Liskov Substitution principle is named after Barbara Liskov who introduced the concept in a conference keynote in 1987.
So when engineers talk about women and STEM or programming clashing I love to point out that of the most popular discipline of programming since the 1950s and of it's most valued principles only one is named after a person, that person is a woman, Barbara Liskov.
Not to say anything about people like Grace Hopper.
Cool, I never knew this. I love some games (especially Fallout) but I don't know anything about the process of creating them.
Seems like a shallow point unlikely to convince the sort of sexist ass you claim to be using it on, but okay.
Hey dude, I hope you're taking screenshots of the comments on these videos. You could easily make a seventh video showing how all these people illustrate or demonstrate the points you've made. Like for example, there is a lot of uncivil disagreement and accusations of hypocracy that fits in very well in the theories you've put out in this video.
AgeMarkus I have seen no swearing, no threatening, no slurs, no sexist comments... but we are unacceptable for expressing our opinions in a public forum. Everything is better when people just conform and all have the same opinion, right?
Oh no, I'm slightly angered, now I must be Angry Jack and not just a person writing down thoughts online.
>Like for example, there is a lot of uncivil disagreement and accusations of hypocracy that fits in very well in the theories you've put out in this video.
Are you guilty of this? If yes, yeah, you'd be in trouble. If no, then no, don't worry. No need to preemptively defend yourself of some kind of perceived interpretation as an Angry Jack.
The video on gamergate kinda sealed the accusation in my opinion. I was mostly apathetic towards gamergate, and I was disgusted at the amount of harassment, sexism and mob mentality in the movement. But there was truth to the accusation of unethical games journalism. SuperBunnyhop, a let-wing games critic, interviewed two legal experts who agreed that maintaining a friendship with a potential source is unethical, and anything beyond that is much worse.
Ian said that by denouncing the extremist sects of gamergate but still somewhat supporting the movement, I was enabling harassment and sexism. I was Angry Jack. That is not fair.
aeronirvanazeppelin so childish, dude. You sound like every mra ever.
+AgeMarkus so everyone who disagrees or points out flaws in his logic is automatically an "angry jack", only capable of illogical anger due to self esteem issues? That itself is a way of thinking he'd like to criticise, even though he is part of it or at least seems to be.
This made me remember my mom telling us that she used to boot up the console and play our video games when we went to bed. I was in my early teens and she was in her forties. She never became a gamer like me and passed two years ago at 84. So this was before the times when playing dungeon crawlers were for boys. I also don’t remember thinking I was playing my brother’s games. It was all our games. And yes, before that we ruined our tv with a pong stripe.
I just was a total angry jack in a train situation. I have a seat reserved in an overcrowded train where people are standing up. And here after some time I see a guy my age offering his seat to some older lady, for a whole 4 hour travel. Uncomfortable feeling hit me that it should've been me. If no one did that, I wouldn't have that feeling. Strange
I can remember having Angry Jack syndrome. Though mine was a relatively minor case (feminism was something I found myself agreeing intellectually as it came up in university), it still had an impact. I didn't fully understand or accept the living reality of our unequal society, and the part I played in it. And I was callous, inconsiderate and mean as a result, for a short while.
But rather than try to stay put or take an easy route, I chose to take the more difficult one. I saw myself turning into the type of person I hated in high school; a bully. So I put my all into learning about feminism, social justice and equality. It changed me irrevocably for the better and increased my understanding of the world. I was one who chose to pop the bubble.
And even though I probably retreat back into a bubbled existence often and easily(in part due to maintaining sanity), I can at least acknowledge it exists and not harass those that threaten that existence. And, occasionally, take steps to try to contribute to that effort.
I know I probably would have turned out more like Angry Jack had I not popped the bubble.
I have to ask; as men of privilege (because I'm not going to put this burden on the underprivileged), how can we get more of u to make that choice?
Very interesting elaboration on the just-world fallacy.
'My uncle had this thing on his neck 2 years, was totally fine. He goes in to doctor. BOOM. Cancer.'
You are very brilliant and ı can't wait for your next video
Thank for another great vid. You are enlighting me and softing my stone heart.
Cant wait for next.
Between the video and the comments, I feel like my brain is taffy being pulled in five directions. It's interesting, but uncomfortable
One thing I keep seeing in the comments is that the video is painting Sarkeesian as some kind of saint, which is really further from the truth. What matters is the conclusion she's making, sexism is prevalent in insidious ways in our culture. This is a hard pill to swallow for some people. The point the video is making is that Sarkeesian's character doesn't matter. People are angry at the idea of Sarkeesian more than the person herself. She really could be a horrible person. That doesn't matter. Trying to ad hominem the person is really incredibly irrelevant to the central point.
Gabriel Berry THIS THIS THIS THIS.
Gabriel Berry yes her inaccurate ill-informed bias conclusion
Gabriel Berry Where exactly does he "paint Sarkeesian as some kind of saint"?
@@CerealKiller There are countless studies lmaooo. You are just like Angry Jack, you live in a bubble where everything is fair when you could just research online and see differently.
I know I’m like 3 years late to the party here, but i gotta say the first time I watched Sarkeesian's videos I went in with a predisposed negative opinion of her and was ready to disagree immediately but I came out of it realising I agreed with her points more than I disagreed.
The more comments I see outright rejecting the possibility he has a point, the more possibility he has a point. Hilarious.
imagine how pathetic your life has to be that you have to be this upset over a woman making video game videos.
***** Couldn't one say this about the people being upset over the people being upset about a woman making video game videos?
Jorsett
i'm not upset at them. i'm amazed at how pathetic they are
***** Imagine having valid criticisms of a person's opinions only to be slandered as a misogynist, as if it's a cardinal sin to disagree with a woman.
Jorsett No. Because we're not 'upset about people being upset'. We're upset that this leads to individuals receiving thousands of death threats. We also realise it makes pop culture look really shit and immature, which is a shame, because it could and should be a force for good in the world.
Jon Stone yeah I'm kinda upset too that feminists are sending death threats
Great work on the series. Looking forward for the next parts :)
This series is ABSURDLY good. Like genuinely some of the best, most succinct, well organised, and complete social commentary I've seen in ages... On literally a plethora of issues beyond the subject matter of the video. Thankyou for making this, you should write a book.
Very excited to see where this will end up.
OMG this is the perfect way to put this. I was having an argument about Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill. All these conservatives were coming out impassioned about loving and protecting their children from these all these supposed liberals. Here I have scores of friends who are children to conservative parents who were rejected by those parents, many of whom were thrown out into the street, often at a young age, often at risk of being trafficked or exploited, the exact thing these parents were supposedly so impassioned and speaking out against. It is a very very very real problem. Truly if you were worried about your own children being sexually exploited you would teach them about consent, about bodily autonomy, about being comfortable with who you are regardless of what that is. And yet these parents were impassioned about teaching their children the exact opposite.
Yet when I try to bring this up, these people deny the problem exists. I have never once heard of a single child with loving supportive parents who's kid ends up exploited. I don't know one. Yet I know multiple people who's parents cast them out, many times at quite young ages, well before they're able to care for themselves, practically handing them over to people who would exploit them. These same people who speak such love for their own children have their children suddenly become an out group, and that love is abandoned for sake of their ideology.
Because to them, they're not in the group, they would never do that to their own children, and once their children becomes that out group, those very children they claimed to love so much are now on the outside. So the problem doesn't exist because they're no longer "their" kids.
In the initial examples of offering a beer, Christmas stuff, etc, my experience is that when people are trying to share something like this with you there are deeper meanings to the act, meanings that they may not be completely aware of it able to express openly. When someone's offering you a beer, sometimes it's a way of saying "I find you attractive, talk with me." When people want to share Christmas, sometimes what they want to share is the feeling of childlike joy, of universal acceptance, of unskeptical embrace of peace and love and brotherhood that they felt as a child. And then we drag dirty, difficult, adult issues into it. I think the immediate flash of anger comes from that childlike self, which is an important part of being a happy adult, feeling talked down to. And it's unnecessary - in that first moment of 'come play with me', you can respond with a smile and ”no thanks”, but still engage with that person. If they want to know why, they are engaging their more adult processes, which allows you to do the same with less chance of backlash.
This is absolutely right. I was born in '94 and I did not hear a single mainstream feminist critique of games until Anita Sarkeesian.
Im shocked at how well this series is done and I'm so so grateful you made it, thank you. I really really love the way you put everything. It's like everything I've been thinking but unable to put into words, you've said articulately and accessibly in these videos. Especially in this one. 💟💟
the matrix was made by 2 trans women as a trans allegory, it is well past time to reclaim it from the alt right
Please let them keep it, it's so funny to completely shut them down by asking "who wrote the matrix", after they spew their red pill nonsense.
Popping that bubble was pretty hard for me but I was able to do it because of a friend of mine that had to put up with shit that I didn't even know existed. Prior to that I definitely fell into the "angry Jack" attitude. I truly appreciate my friend for having opened my eyes because it has made it easier to relate with people on a deeper level.
I wish I had seen this video 17 years ago
UA-cam comments proving him right
This is so on point. I'm *really* looking forward to the next parts.
on the comment of the bubble i diont think its unusual that angry jacks are usually lonely man or incels. the bubble is easily popped once you have female friends or a girlfriend, you learn abuot the myriad of ways of how they are harassed and now you see it frmo the other side, as people hurting someone you care about. if you never have meaningful relationships with women its easy to keep being in that bubblçe
Excellent video series so far, thanks for making it! I eagerly await the future installments :)
I really appreciate what you've been doing with this series. Keep up the good work.
When I understood the color code in the GG mascot I threw up in my mouth a bit ... it's so f'ing disgusting...
How does a video this good get comments this bad? I mean, it’s YT, but still. Damn
I remember the first time someone irl pointed out that a joke I made was sexist (and it was). I was petrified and in panic. As depicted in the video, I thought I couldn't possibly be one of those monsters and I surely wouldn't want to be treated as such. They were correct about my joke but I didn't know how to handle this fact at the time.
(I was on holiday with bunch of strangers on a farm and one day off at the beach I say a big pink rock among the other beige/brown/grey ones and in an attempt to be funny said that it must be from the girls section, similar to the way you occasionally find a misplaced product in a supermarket shelf.)
Well. . . But we're not a monolith, we women. It wasn't a good thing to say around strangers. But if a male friend of mine had said the exact same thing, I would've laughed and told him the (true) story of the time I was shopping at Target for pet supplies when suddenly, as I was reaching for a bag of kitty litter for the cat I was temporarily fostering, I saw something unexpected:
Right there, on a shelf in the pet supplies aisle, someone had left a big box of tampons. I pointed it out to my friend and I said, "No, that's for an entirely different kind of pussy" and she burst out laughing. We still sometimes laugh about that when we're getting pet supplies (for my two dogs these days) although lately of course we're in lockdown and haven't been out. 😕
So it really depends on the person. I wouldn't have said it around strangers; but not all women would consider your rock comment to be offensive. I would've laughed. 🤷🏾♀️
It's a pity you have internalized such horribly harmful messages about wealthy corporations choosing to unnecessarily gender products in such a way. I'm sure the CEOs you were with were deeply offended when they rightfully called you out.
someone needs to show this to Jordan Peterson
Peterson has better things to worry about. Show this to TL;DR. He has already deconstructed Anita Sarkeesian's bogus methodology ua-cam.com/video/MMAnvqFFOtI/v-deo.html
Wow. This is really well done. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
You just blew my mind with the phrase "Angry Jack it's not a person, it's a condition, like being drunk": that changes a LOT, and gives me faith that the people who fit in this condition can get out of it before the hurt more women by choosing ignorance's bliss.
Congratulations on being able to make this a choice in your mind so you can still condemn people even as you come out of believing it is an inherent characteristic. Masterful demonstration of how to protect oneself from needing to change one's behavior in the face of new ideas.
I was 17 when my bubble was popped. I'd grown up with a strong mother figure, believed in the 'lean in' idea of feminine power, that folks would respect me irregardless of my gender if I didn't start shit and consistantly proved myself capable. I believed equality had been achieved, and any time a woman lost out on an opportunity it was her failing. That when a woman was abused it was her fault for not getting out of dodge or seeing red flags.
At 17, my next door neighbor, an ex marine 30 years my senior and twice my size, tried to proposition me when he realized I was home alone. He was a family friend. Trusted. Trying to convince me to come back to his house with him, and kissing my hand without permission in his attempts to seduce a minor.
I ran, barricaded myself in my home, took one of my mother's rifles and sat in a spot in the house where I could see all the doors. None of this made me feel any safer. I was doing the 'strong' thing, and I was terrified. He called the house, it went to the answering machine. He said he was lonely, that he didn't mean to scare me. My parents were out of contact for the weekend. I called my sister, who lived an hour away.
When she arrived, I found out he'd tried this with her, too. Mom and dad didn't believe her. When my parents came back into cell range, dad blamed ME for not calling the police when i demanded to know why they hadn't taken my elder sister seriously and cut ties with our neighbor. It was an abrupt subject change, and showed me very quickly that my parents were not going to engage with a military vet being a bad person.
I lived next door to that man for two more years. I would not go outside without something that could cause bodily harm. My parents kept inviting him to Thanksgiving because 'he had no one else', although they accepted my choice to be elsewhere on the holiday.
That was the day I realized self reliance does nothing against panic, and all the confidence I'd been raised with could do nothing to protect me... and my parents would rather protect a man than their daughters.
When I think about what I managed to believe all the way up till 17, I feel a little sick I missed it for so long.
I'm sorry to hear that
Well made. Can always enjoy a dive into the mind.
Wow, great video, dude! Definitely will be going back to the beginning for this one and thank you for the hard work on it.
this series of video essays is great. cant wait for the next part.
One note- I don't think that the case is that white men are getting stuff that they don't deserve (loans, property, etc.), it is actually that non-white, non-males are NOT getting what they deserve. In other words, it isn't that we are getting things that we shouldn't, it is that others aren't getting what they should. I am sure that it does happen sometimes (for instance a man getting a job for which he is less qualified when compared to a woman), but generally, opportunities like loans and property should be given too all, and everyone deserves them.
Instead of taking away opportunities from white men, because they "don't deserve them", create more opportunities for non-white, non-males, because everyone deserves those opportunities. For instance, the answer to redlining isn't to take loans away from white people because they "don't deserve" loans, it is to give black people loans (equal to what whites get), because they deserve them too.
This may seem like a trivial note, but you have correctly stated that perception matters, and that the words that you use to frame the subject matter. Framing the topic as "white men get privileges that they shouldn't" seems wrong to me; instead, it should be framed as "other people aren't getting the privileges that they deserve".
Thank you, thank you so much for this. As a guy who grew up in the 80s and 90s with older sisters who were also gamers. seeing how gamer culture became so bloody toxic and angry just always confused me. This is the most well spoken and clear explanation of the rise of angry nerd male culture I have seen yet. Thank you. I hope other male gamers are able to watch this series and get something from it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
This is an excellent series! I love how you're looking at existential threat as a motivation for bad behavior. Please make more videos!
Innuendo Studios thank you so much for this videos. I think what you are trying to put out there is really important and has been violently ignored for to long. Again, thank you and keep up
wow this was much deeper than I thought it was going to be.
You are really smart! Damn nice job on this.
Really great series here. I stumbled across it through recs, but I'll check out the rest of your offerings! :)
This video is on point. Straight up. Love you from the bottom of my soul.
2:50 - The patient number is Pi!
Oh. This could be used to explain Sad Puppy and their relationship with Rabid Puppy with their kidnapping of the Hugo...
this is a really accessible set of essays on internet rage
I keep coming back to this video series, over and over again. These ideas apply so uniquely and deeply not only to gamergate but to what caused our divided body politic as a whole, and the rise of trumpism and why it persists today.
This is a great video series. Keep it up.
Thanks for putting these videos together. They are amazing, especially for people that are wanting to learn about confronting your own privilege.
I was looking for another video in a playlist I made and came across this again, and started watching again. This is probably still THE best explanation of the concept of privilege, how pervasive it is, how the presence or lack thereof infiltrates every aspect of your life, and why people who have privilege feel so attacked and take it so personally when other people try to just make them aware of their privilege. Fucking A!
I love this series and the ay you are releasing it! I'm refreshing your channel all day to hear the next one. Great analysis and well structured. Thank you for this!
Tara Hunt There is a button to subscribe to new videos of his.
No his serie is crap. Just strawmans
@@noless, you know, I'm watching this series now for the second (maybe even third?) time, because I thought that it's really great - but then I read your comment: " No his serie is crap. Just strawmans" and WOW! You convinced me!! It's crap; I didn't think of this before.
And sorry that this comes 7 months after you wrote your masterpiece. But I just had to tell you this.
You are an AMAZING person!!!!!
Maybe you don't mind, since your comment came about 2 ½ years after the OC.
Anyway, thank you so much!!
My name is Jack and Anita Sarkesian used to make me really angry for these exact same reasons. It is scary.
Outstanding video. You just earnt a new subscriber, truly one of the best things I've seen on UA-cam this year :)
It's like that quote from Stranger Things. "See? I knew it was bullshit!"
7:56 "Jack is not a psychopath, but he will throw his lot in with psychopaths, with anyone, who will tell him that world isn't real."
Jack may not be a psychopath but he's sure as hell a coward.
I... just... bravo. This was really informative and helped me understand my own opinions much better. Thanks for making it!
Loving this series of videos! So glad to better understand this situation.
Great. I watched this from a link on a new ghost busters article. I am going to watch the full series, great job mate!
Continuing with the good stuff.
And kudos on the nerdy Pi patient number. :-)
I miss the bubble. I want the world to be like that, and I'm angry and frustrated that I have to be one of the people to build it, to work towards a better future that'll take so long to create that I'll never see it.
I want the bubble world to be real :(
Absolutely nailed it with the Matrix reference there.
This video was so true, so eloquent, so well done.... I almost cried because I could identify so fully. Thank you dude, thank you for making this. That's all I can say.
So disturbed by that elevator video; so glad it was footage from a social experiment.
So glad you wrote that because it really disturbed me, too. Now I can sleep better :-)
Yeah, good thing they listed it in the description. It was quite disturbing.
2:28 shittttt not expecting to see
Julia here
Octopodez
I know! I was like, “Hey, that looks familiar.” Then I looked down and was like, “woah!”
dayum this is such a well done series on the subjects. so many psychological insights! Thank you for doing this. This video is 2 years old, yet so relevant today.
+LeneChibi No it's not. Angry Jack is basically just a straw man. Most harrassment online is done towards men btw. Source www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/
noless this article states that men experience more of the “harmless harassment“ like name calling and shaming while women experience more of the “severe harassment“ like stalking and sexual harassment... your statement was only scratching the surface here
I'd say this video series describes just one of the many types of online harassers. Not a strawman at all
Anyways, good source, thanks for the link
It’s so strange, I just picked up Backlash from my uni’s “free used books” shelf in the English department. Time to finally crack it open I guess.
"Patient #31415926"
I see what you did there.
I think I will have been around 6 when my sister told me that she was payed less in her IT job than her male colleagues. That got my Privilege Bubble popped very early on...
It started to reform when I started dating, as I began to believe in "friend-zoning", but a bit of reading on entitlement and bodily autonomy stopped that.
It's a pity you "stopped that". "Friend zoning" is an important part of coming to understand the basic feminist truth that "women are people". Because you can't believe "women are people" if you don't also believe "some women can be bad people". Some women do, in fact, string men along, just like some men string women along. Women are not plaster saints to be placed on a pedestal.
The most common way I refer to this is with a rock lyric, which I would say sums up the "bubble" issue pretty well: "She said, she said, 'you don't know shit, because you've never been there'", which is to say that a lot of people in this crowd have never had to deal with this issue in their own lives, so they foolishly believe it doesn't exist just because that eases their minds in some small way, despite how that just means they spout off on topics they have chosen to know nothing about
I can honestly say, I completely enjoy listening to your arguments.
Thank you for helping me start popping my bubble
Btw I mean from childhood, that I should start to accept and understand these issues. I hope I was never a jack