Another landmark for you Dwarkesh…. An interview with a politician who held the highest position in the government of a nation that is one of the six major economies and a permanent member of United Nations Security Council
Chill, He's retired. In western democratic states, readers are not that valuable to the party or the nation once they're out of power because the new trends and popular narrative of different leadership keeps arriving.
It shouldn't be allowed. You can't be that handsome and also have all his other attributes. He probably has a dark secret or some sh*t. (One can hope.)
As a Nigerian critically believing for the best for my country I enjoyed every bit of this podcast as LEADERSHIP is the key to a prosperous Nation!!! Long live Lee Kwan Yu
Thanks for being PM Tony Blair to speak on governance too… I wish world leading democracy could factor knowledge of governance as a critical for elected office!!!
@@kanmi_daniels Blair is a War criminal trust me I'm from the UK his public reputation is lower than a cockroach! His agenda for Africa is in utilising your beautiful lands! industrialization based on greed! You all need to realise and save your freedoms 😢😢
TB also operates as a technocrat. He puts spanners in cogs of the gov bureaucratic machine so it's stuck, and then he brings in commercial/financial operators to actually get the job done.
Brit here who voted for Blair in '97 on a wave of enthusiasm. This man ignored the democratic will of the British people and illegally invaded Iraq, killing 500,000 civilians, destroying the country, and giving rise to groups like ISIS. In the end the British people had enough and his Chancellor was able to force him from office. DO NOT listen to this man. He was demonstrably an awful PM and a terrible decision maker.
@@teresabenson6087 😂 you're like a beaten house wife who's defensive over her boyfriend because he only hits you sometimes instead of every day like your previous boyfriend.
For all this McKinsey management speak, the real source of inertia in Blair's government was the dysfunctional relationship he had with his Chancellor Gordon Brown, resulting in two power centres who were not always on the same page on very major issues over a period of ten years. Blair didn't resolve that, and the TB-GB struggles were far more decisive a factor than any supposed bureaucratic resistance.
@@williamphelps8550 It was always a present factor even in first term. The problem with a vague deal under which Blair would at some point hand over to Brown was the tension between Blair's legacy-shaping efforts and Brown's views about what he wanted his inheritance to be by the time he took over. By 2001 at the latest it was a full blown contest. Instances of dysfunction included the way in which Brown unilaterally vetoed -- via leaks to the press -- Blair's hopes for moving towards joining the Euro, and Blair going on TV without consultation to announce a massive hike in heath spending.
@@lucianopavarotti2843 I'm not sure Brown was wrong about not joining the Euro? As much as being in the EU is better on balance than being out, a common currency without a union as closely integrated as the US still seems like one of the worse aspects of it? Happy to be wrong, curious to hear other ideas. I am also, personally, not sure the "ever closer union" thing is a good idea in the case of Europe. Although a very close union is still clearly beneficial for both EU countries and the stability of the world.
@@lkyuvsad I wasn't making a point about policies as such just the dysfunctional way in which they came about. I agree that Euro membership was probably undesirable given the UK's different economic structure and business cycle, and I too think Eu membership was a good deal for the UK.
Shallow, poorly thought through questions. "What advice would you have given Lee Kuan Yew?". The interviewer is an intellectual lightweight unaware of this and high on his own supply.
@@dreamer2260 Blair is a fool. No one trusts a thing he says. Take the last 6 years as example of how out of touch he is with all sides of the political groups in the UK
Any questions on the most important event of the 2000's so far? No. Not a single thing about Iraq and his reasoning for joining in on that absolute travesty of an undertaking that only served to empower the Islamic Republic, horribly destabilize half the planet, directly influenced the Syrian civil war and ultimately led to the forming of the Islamic State, the gift that still keeps on giving.
I've never heard of AI framed as a July 1914 moment before, but it's a striking comparison. Everything happened very quickly and every single important decision-maker dropped the ball. If AI has a sharp takeoff, this is exactly the scenario we need to be worried about. The good news about such a comparison is that only one of those decision-makers needed to have a moment of sanity and the war would have been much smaller and far less destructive, or even averted entirely.
@@Tuathadana Hey, why do you think I'm here? Funny thing is how many people have no idea this is coming on so fast. But neither did I, until the last three or four years I knew it was coming but I still thought something like today was still like 20 years out. It is not.
Whatever his flaws, Blair is a highly intelligent, articulate and thoughtful person. Not surprising he was PM of the UK for almost ten years. He had both the political skills and the executive skills. Where is the person in the UK who can handle today’s challenges? Neither Sunak nor Starmer.
@@johnroche312 Farage is an idiot, and the only reason he's banging the anti-Ukraine drum like Trump is because they can make a lot of money from withdrawing aid and support.
@@haztec. Mate his party is beating the Tories as the opposition this election, while youre right about his past shortcomings I wouldn't be surprised if there is a great opening for reform and Nigel's future success.
And he made the criminal justice system favour the criminals And he sold lots of national assets And he made us pay 10-20x as much for privately run publicly funded hospitals, schools and other services, all if which have increased in cost and decreased in quality
Strong disagree. It's good to see politicians' perspectives occasionally, but we need to know what's going on with AI so we can anticipate the massive changes that are coming. Dwarkesh is currently the best interviewer for shining a light on the industry.
@@squamish4244 Lex's interviews are a lot less AI-oriented now, and his interview style does a lot less to explain the industry. Lex is more focused on shining a light on individuals. Dwarkesh also seems to think faster on his feet, which lets his guests get into much more candid discussions than Lex. I feel like Lex sacrificed AI communication in exchange for more political discussions. As someone that thinks AI is the single most important thing going on in the world today, I feel like his podcast is far less useful as a result.
Yep and the Ksovo conflict was a good intervention too. Prevented the genocide getting worse, saved many lives and prevented further expulsions from Kosovo. People still focus on the Iraq war
This a very poor interview, unfortunately. You seem to pander to your guests and I have never seen you ask a difficult question. If I wanted to hear the answers to the type of questions you asked Mr Blair I might aswell read one of his multiple autobiographies. I understand that pressing an interviewee when you are new on the interview scene may hinder your ability to attract more politicians to the show, but I would argue that this attitude risks your show becoming a PR think piece for people like Blair rather than a good quality interview.
@@mayan5600 There is a difference between interrogation and effective journalism. This was a great opportunity to ask open-ended, probing questions regarding the things Blair is actually remembered for, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, and his social policy in the UK. Instead this feels less of an interview and more of a PR piece identical to Blair's "Institute for Global Change" content regarding leadership and ethics that is pushed out online. This was unfortunately really poor from Patel, who showed his inexperience and appeared to just fawn over Blair coming onto his channel for the entire video.
This is why he was able to land Blair. You’re insane if you even think he’s trying to be an effective journalist. It’s propaganda paid for by billionaires, and he’s willing to be the vessel
@@DeathsOnTheYAxis To learn? From this channel? Are you educated in the slightest, because the questions in this interview have been asked a hundred times to Blair, and answered a hundred times by Blair. He sacrifices the quality of his actual interview in the return he receives big names coming on his show thinking they'll get an excellent think piece on themselves. Little does he know that it actually makes his channel and interview skills devoid of any quality. The best interviewers are and always will remain those who pose challenging questions to those in power.
Ironically it's what Lee Kuan Yew didn't do that made Singapore rich - leaving the British established institutions, finanical and legal systems unchanged. This is contrast to how the Chinese government is progressingly messing up Hong Kong.
HK is now much more prosperous than HK was under British rule.Further,HK always ranks among the highest in freedom of speech and judicial independence in international surveys.Go worry about your own country, dude!
Really excellent interview, I think one of your best! Loved how big picture and broad ranging the topics were, then how you and Blair tried to drill to the crux on each of them.
He did well during his first term bcz he was ambitious and innocent! Then he messed up in his second term bcz he started to align his policy and ambition with US so he lost his track and he will always be remembered for his wars debacle so asking him for advice is pretty much like asking an arsonist to come and put out fire but Im learning ftom him :)
You are such a great interviewer. I normally don't watch interviews with politicians, but fair enough. I really enjoyed your interview with Sarah Paine, you really should get Peter Zeihan and Stephen Kotkin on next.
I’ve never really had time to look into Tony Blair, but holy crap he is such a bright individual so articulate and well thought out. Absolutely amazing conversation! Really, really so inspired and awestruck
31:56 tony puts a lot on good leadership - he would, its his budiness. But bad ideas can often be taken up by teriffic leaders with terrible results. If some of those Singapore decisions had been frankly poor - then no amount of great "leadership" would have achieved the results singspore has had. Many of the ptoblems the uk has in public services and planning, lack of housing and wildly uncontrolled immigration - are frankly not going to be solved by "generative AI"
I love the diversity of portfolios your interviewees hold. You're not only focused on tech/AI, but also politics and management. You're my favourite podcaster!
yeah... that's ok for bots, not for real humans. The guy is a hand puppet with someone's hand up his a*s. Doesn't need his brains anymore, he has YT to pay for his mouth opening. Unsubscribe is my vote
"For the developing world, the lockdowns did more harm than good". - Tony Blair. Definitely true in Thailand and The Philippines, but I don't see anything good from lockdowns in rich countries when their huge debts from lockdown and furlough now need to be paid back with interest. Only Sweden was run by a scientist.
@@Blackcomanche Yes, but she shut down Germany's nuclear power and behaved in many ways like a nice old lady not the psychopath general or scientist needed to fight a war or pandemic. Do not let a nice bedside manner physician discuss fighting pandemics.
Exactly, Tony Blair only cared for power and control. He may have said words and given platitudes and virtue signalling about how he cares for people, YET overall he killed more than a million people.
I despise Blair and believe he was the start to the end. I did think this interview was particularly interesting especially the moments regarding Lee Kuan Yew. Thanks for the content
If you thought the problems started with Blair then you must not be very old and have no memory or personal experience of who came before him. The 1960s, the 1970s. Absolutely woeful.
Yes the guy is thought of as a war criminal by many - and he does not spend much time here - but given the quality of his successors, well it's all been downhill from him being a bit shifty to flat out lies cronyism and corruption. The bit from 44m in is a tl:dr of how to run a country. The one sentence "figure out the right policy and then shape the politics to fit that" is exactly what the current uk govt has not done arguably since 2010.
I get such a sense of transactional thinking from Tony - I guess politics is currently very much zero sum, competition of ideas and negotiation for personal success. All very ego based. The business of government. I've just watched a very recent interview with Dario Amodei who gave me much more hope for leadership with good core values, humility and vision.
The Good Friday Agreement and stopping the genocide in Kosovo were notable achievements of Tony Blair's government. People are quick to forget that he bought peace in Northern Ireland and to the people of Kosovo
Also introduced a minimum wage in the teeth of resistance from employers, tax credits to reduce the tax burden on the lowest paid, set up devolved systems of government in Scotland and Wales and was instrumental in the removal of one of the most brutal dictatorships in the history of the Middle East. Remind me again: what has Sunak done?
@@benspicer4197 the long term consequences of that were disastrous. That small victory over a dipsh1t gang of drug addicts and thugs convinced Blair that him and the US could do the same in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Tony is a supporter of digital id, digital health. My concern is ai will be used to look for patterns in people's data then the models used to nudge society more effectively. When you add food shopping and online activity hopefully you can see my concern.
I still don't see the promblem with digital id. Reduces costs in collecting in taxes, cracks down on gangs and major criminals and allows for a better efficient of nhs using more data
As an American I really don't get the hate around Tony Blair. America was hell-bent on going into Iraq and it would have happened unilaterally. Britain could have stayed on the sidelines and had zero influence... but why not be a partner and try to moderate an obviously emotional and hurt ally...
Oh, I reread that, you're going for nuance. What did Tony Blair do to reduce the horrific impact this had on tens of millions of lives that would have been better than rejecting it altogether?
Typical American chauvinism to consider that the only reason people might despise the UK PM is an American concern regarding needless war, rather than the unending damage he's done to Britain
If you are born and bred in Singapore from LKY times then you will be able to talk or otherwise you need to control your mouth about saying anything about LYK
Blair didnt mention , we need to respect our Huge neighbours , our heritage , our malays . Till Today Malay is our national language and our anthem is in malay also . our military commands are in malay . English is our Working language & 1st language to unify the people . Malay language is like our figurehead also . Imagine if Ukraine did what singapore did , you think Russia would still attack ??
Mr. Blair is totally right in identifying the three key elements of Singapore's success with LKY. There is a fourth element which is more important and it ensured Singapore's continuity in maintaining their success. That is, LKY's doctrine of meritocracy, and a nation built on justice and equality regardless of race, language or religion. Once you mix religion with government or a government based on religion (theocracy), then you will have trouble with success. Once you mix race, language and religion under the guise of multiculturism and diversity, you will have disunity.
Lots of focus on the cult of personality of political leaders. In Switzerland we have no number 1 political leader , it is spread over a body of 7 people , who hand over the mantle of "president" every 12 months ...
The most inspiring and thoughtful British PM since the Second World War, who redefined the challenges for Britain and the West in ways that will remain part of our discourse for many years to come. Sadly sidelined and criticized by detractors in Britain, essentially over one foreign policy failure, he is increasingly being sought after in Britain. He was better respected overseas, including much of the Middle East already. Tony Blair of 1997 is not the same today. He has actually grasped, evolved, and grown into the towering intellectual figure we have today. Much like Lee Kwan Yew whose greatness continues to shine a light on the path ahead for peaceful progress. Well done on persuading Tony Blair to participate!
Wish you had more concrete examples to ask on covid e.g. if you wanted to rollout the pfizer vaccine in May 2020, was that possible? What would it have taken?
They had the vaccine by then but the problem was producing them and that you still had to go through the formal 3 stage trials. They did this concurrently to speed up the process. We could've had it out quicker if it had been taken more serious a month prior. The WHO took forever to declare it a pandemic.
Why Lee Kuan Yew picked English as the official language for all the races/ethnic group was he saw the effects of the majority Sinhalese imposing their language on the minority Tamils in Sri Lanka in 1956. It marginalized the Tamils and turned them into a discontented group of people who are forever in conflict with the Sinhalese (Hence the Tami Tigers). Yes the Tamil Tigers have been defeated and disbanded, but the conditions for another Tamil rebel army to take its place are still there, even more than even since now Sri Lanka is in the economic crap-house
Being the head of government in America has no equivalence to being the head of government in the UK. I think this is something UK citizens really don't have a handle on. Tony made some mistakes in some ways but he was very aware of how American power shapes Europe. Is another world. Europe could break tomorrow and yes that means you in the UK but also America could break tomorrow.. Western democracy is broken and fractured. This is power to people who don't share our values.. The future is uncertain.. if Europe can't focus on what it has in common, it's doomed. This is true for America states too.
This is great. Tony Blair is such an eloquent man with insightful thoughts. This is how podcast should be done. You don't get such conversation on Bloomberg
Wow Blair says he wants a small, 'specialist' state that encourages innovation now, in 2024. Yet when he was actually PM he created the Supreme Court of the UK (enlarging and fracturing the state and destroying seperation of powers), he devolved powers to scotland and wales (significantly enlarging and fracturing the state), he also made some elements of the state unaccountable (bank of england independence). The united kingdom HAD a small, specialist state that encouraged innovation, it was called Parliamentary sovereignty. Every single thing I just mentioned, which Blaire enacted, caused the state to swell and fracture and now we have a vast state that doesnt work because every single entity is equal to and at odds with the other and many decisions are taken by unaccountable and unelected bodies. Oh yea, he abolished the office of Lord chancellor as well, that acted as the bridge between powers. Now, instead of a system that evolved carefully over 1500 years we have a broken and bloated constitution that doesnt work because Blaire decide he was smarter than 1500 years of development and decided to fundamentally meddle with the UK constutition. Blaire is squarely responsible for the fractured UK constitution we see today. And now he says he wants a 'small, specialist' government. Blair inherited a small government and he tore it up.
We need to focus on the SUBJECT rather than WHO…… I think Dwarkesh is trying to explore how Governments & Politicians can play Positive Roles in forming policies that can help mankind and the environment we live in
You forget how happy we were to see the back of him and then of course Brown. Blair destroyed the very fabric of this country and the country is reeling still from his disastrous time as PM.
The rare gift of any leader is knowing when to leave the arena of leadership. It’s not a waste of accumulated experience and a trusted network, but a courage to leave it to the next generation.
Look, I'm seriously concerned - will you now go bankrupt having interviewed Tony Blair? I mean, we know he charges per millisecond, and the amounts ain't pretty. I mean, I hope you haven't mortgaged the rest of your life to obsequiousness to DAVOS if you can't pay.
Dude seriously? How they potentially got Iraq wrong? This is the most foolish interviewer or intentionally naive - like a junior high schooler who meets the captain of the football team.
Why is tony Blair going on about ai teachers and doctors when people are starving? No one can learn or get healthy until they can eat and reliably know they can eat every day. End poverty and sort housing first, and the we can talk
Another landmark for you Dwarkesh…. An interview with a politician who held the highest position in the government of a nation that is one of the six major economies and a permanent member of United Nations Security Council
TB is an all time low
he's a garbage human being
And a complete and utter ghoul.
@@alphasword5541idk I'd bang
Chill, He's retired. In western democratic states, readers are not that valuable to the party or the nation once they're out of power because the new trends and popular narrative of different leadership keeps arriving.
Enjoy :)
Thank you ❤
why are you interviewing a war criminal?
You're mad to land this one
the heck bro
Disgusting. A war criminal. Iraq war - 000s dead.
Wow, did not expect this lol
Surprisingly good to watch. Blair still has a lot of wisdom to dispense
The best looking podcaster in the game
It shouldn't be allowed. You can't be that handsome and also have all his other attributes. He probably has a dark secret or some sh*t. (One can hope.)
@@squamish4244 (One can cope.)
Yeah, Indians got nice beard game. But how he would look clean shaved? 😂
@@squamish4244
The last time I read similar comment was on Sendhil Ramamurthy !
As a Nigerian critically believing for the best for my country
I enjoyed every bit of this podcast as LEADERSHIP is the key to a prosperous Nation!!!
Long live Lee Kwan Yu
Thanks for being PM Tony Blair to speak on governance too…
I wish world leading democracy could factor knowledge of governance as a critical for elected office!!!
💯. If Nigeria can get good governance and less corruption then it will rise up to be a new superpower.
It’s Lee Kuan Yew.
Lee Kuan Yew is dead
@@kanmi_daniels Blair is a War criminal trust me I'm from the UK his public reputation is lower than a cockroach! His agenda for Africa is in utilising your beautiful lands! industrialization based on greed! You all need to realise and save your freedoms 😢😢
One of the best interviews of Tony Blair. (And I’ve watched many over the last 27 years!)
LKY WAS a startup founder. He essentially built Singapore ruling like a technocrat
TB also operates as a technocrat.
He puts spanners in cogs of the gov bureaucratic machine so it's stuck, and then he brings in commercial/financial operators to actually get the job done.
I wish you interview India P.M.🎉
Brit here who voted for Blair in '97 on a wave of enthusiasm.
This man ignored the democratic will of the British people and illegally invaded Iraq, killing 500,000 civilians, destroying the country, and giving rise to groups like ISIS.
In the end the British people had enough and his Chancellor was able to force him from office.
DO NOT listen to this man. He was demonstrably an awful PM and a terrible decision maker.
not to mention he was in power when the grooming gang scandal started to come to light and actively told police constabularies to hide the problem.
It was the US..... Britain just played the Robin Role.
Fundamentally destroyed the UK....the long march through the institutions .
Tony was the best Prime Minister ever.
@@teresabenson6087 😂 you're like a beaten house wife who's defensive over her boyfriend because he only hits you sometimes instead of every day like your previous boyfriend.
For all this McKinsey management speak, the real source of inertia in Blair's government was the dysfunctional relationship he had with his Chancellor Gordon Brown, resulting in two power centres who were not always on the same page on very major issues over a period of ten years. Blair didn't resolve that, and the TB-GB struggles were far more decisive a factor than any supposed bureaucratic resistance.
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Hmmm.. As far as I’ve read and heard, this came much later on in his 10 years.
@@williamphelps8550 It was always a present factor even in first term. The problem with a vague deal under which Blair would at some point hand over to Brown was the tension between Blair's legacy-shaping efforts and Brown's views about what he wanted his inheritance to be by the time he took over. By 2001 at the latest it was a full blown contest. Instances of dysfunction included the way in which Brown unilaterally vetoed -- via leaks to the press -- Blair's hopes for moving towards joining the Euro, and Blair going on TV without consultation to announce a massive hike in heath spending.
@@lucianopavarotti2843 I'm not sure Brown was wrong about not joining the Euro? As much as being in the EU is better on balance than being out, a common currency without a union as closely integrated as the US still seems like one of the worse aspects of it? Happy to be wrong, curious to hear other ideas. I am also, personally, not sure the "ever closer union" thing is a good idea in the case of Europe. Although a very close union is still clearly beneficial for both EU countries and the stability of the world.
@@lkyuvsad I wasn't making a point about policies as such just the dysfunctional way in which they came about. I agree that Euro membership was probably undesirable given the UK's different economic structure and business cycle, and I too think Eu membership was a good deal for the UK.
Shallow, poorly thought through questions.
"What advice would you have given Lee Kuan Yew?".
The interviewer is an intellectual lightweight unaware of this and high on his own supply.
Strongly agree... At least do a little homework on the people you are going to ask about.... So shabby
Quite. Unfortunate. Blair fair-minded as ever of course.
@@dreamer2260 Blair is a fool. No one trusts a thing he says. Take the last 6 years as example of how out of touch he is with all sides of the political groups in the UK
Any questions on the most important event of the 2000's so far? No. Not a single thing about Iraq and his reasoning for joining in on that absolute travesty of an undertaking that only served to empower the Islamic Republic, horribly destabilize half the planet, directly influenced the Syrian civil war and ultimately led to the forming of the Islamic State, the gift that still keeps on giving.
Asking Tony blair about his view on the so called "Deep state" is truly insane. This is not some republicans dancing monkey. Way out of his depth
I've never heard of AI framed as a July 1914 moment before, but it's a striking comparison. Everything happened very quickly and every single important decision-maker dropped the ball. If AI has a sharp takeoff, this is exactly the scenario we need to be worried about.
The good news about such a comparison is that only one of those decision-makers needed to have a moment of sanity and the war would have been much smaller and far less destructive, or even averted entirely.
Don't worry A.I is the just the 4th such takeoff in past 35 years.
@@Tuathadana Nothing comparable has ever happened before. Not even splitting the atom is comparable to AI.
@squamish4244 just adapt bro. It'll be okay
@@Tuathadana Hey, why do you think I'm here? Funny thing is how many people have no idea this is coming on so fast. But neither did I, until the last three or four years I knew it was coming but I still thought something like today was still like 20 years out. It is not.
Whatever his flaws, Blair is a highly intelligent, articulate and thoughtful person. Not surprising he was PM of the UK for almost ten years. He had both the political skills and the executive skills. Where is the person in the UK who can handle today’s challenges? Neither Sunak nor Starmer.
Nigel Farage
@@johnroche312 Considering he's tried about 7 times to be an MP, it seems unlikely that he could ever be PM if he can't even be an MP
@@johnroche312 Farage is an idiot, and the only reason he's banging the anti-Ukraine drum like Trump is because they can make a lot of money from withdrawing aid and support.
@@haztec. Mate his party is beating the Tories as the opposition this election, while youre right about his past shortcomings I wouldn't be surprised if there is a great opening for reform and Nigel's future success.
@@johnroche312 we'll see on July 4th I guess
I am not British, but afaik, this man was at the root of all the shit with immigration that is blowing up in UK today
And he made the criminal justice system favour the criminals
And he sold lots of national assets
And he made us pay 10-20x as much for privately run publicly funded hospitals, schools and other services, all if which have increased in cost and decreased in quality
Can't wait to listen - congrats Dwarkesh on an excellent podcast!
Dwarkesh your interview skills are more important in foreign policy/politics/world affairs, than in AI. Keep doing more of this.
So true
Strong disagree. It's good to see politicians' perspectives occasionally, but we need to know what's going on with AI so we can anticipate the massive changes that are coming. Dwarkesh is currently the best interviewer for shining a light on the industry.
@@chadwick3593 What about Lex Fridman? Lex is naive about people but he knows his sh*t about AI.
@@squamish4244 Lex's interviews are a lot less AI-oriented now, and his interview style does a lot less to explain the industry. Lex is more focused on shining a light on individuals. Dwarkesh also seems to think faster on his feet, which lets his guests get into much more candid discussions than Lex. I feel like Lex sacrificed AI communication in exchange for more political discussions. As someone that thinks AI is the single most important thing going on in the world today, I feel like his podcast is far less useful as a result.
I don't mind a few political interviews, but AI is probably going to change the world more than day to day politics.
The Good Friday Agreement is Blair’s best achievement.
Yep and the Ksovo conflict was a good intervention too. Prevented the genocide getting worse, saved many lives and prevented further expulsions from Kosovo. People still focus on the Iraq war
@@JackWilliamson-qv4no were you there? Tell us more. How was it?
@@joestojanovic6613 found the serb
@@JackWilliamson-qv4nocause it was a seismic event and overshadows everything Blair had done in the past
It won’t survive mid century
This channel needs to get on top , this is called a real podcast. Thanks D.P.
Insane pull. Nice work.
Why did you interview this man? Did they pay you? Why the political turn instead of a technical interview? I don't understand.
I think he advices political leaders worldwide and probably is using this podcast for soft marketing. (Checkout @8:30)
Dwarkesh should check who brought this guy to him. So close, yet he didn't use handcuffs...
This host knows exactly what he’s doing.
He’s getting paid to be the vessel for this propaganda and is fine with it
How?! Yooooooo good stuff my dude😂. Mad respect(I caught onto your channel from the Sarah Paine interview). Keep em coming.
Good to see how awesome your guests are getting!
This a very poor interview, unfortunately. You seem to pander to your guests and I have never seen you ask a difficult question. If I wanted to hear the answers to the type of questions you asked Mr Blair I might aswell read one of his multiple autobiographies.
I understand that pressing an interviewee when you are new on the interview scene may hinder your ability to attract more politicians to the show, but I would argue that this attitude risks your show becoming a PR think piece for people like Blair rather than a good quality interview.
He is not here to interrogate him.
@@mayan5600 There is a difference between interrogation and effective journalism. This was a great opportunity to ask open-ended, probing questions regarding the things Blair is actually remembered for, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, and his social policy in the UK. Instead this feels less of an interview and more of a PR piece identical to Blair's "Institute for Global Change" content regarding leadership and ethics that is pushed out online. This was unfortunately really poor from Patel, who showed his inexperience and appeared to just fawn over Blair coming onto his channel for the entire video.
This is why he was able to land Blair.
You’re insane if you even think he’s trying to be an effective journalist.
It’s propaganda paid for by billionaires, and he’s willing to be the vessel
@@ciaranpatrickomeara3896 Asking "tough questions" is tabloid crap. People come to this channel to learn.
@@DeathsOnTheYAxis To learn? From this channel? Are you educated in the slightest, because the questions in this interview have been asked a hundred times to Blair, and answered a hundred times by Blair. He sacrifices the quality of his actual interview in the return he receives big names coming on his show thinking they'll get an excellent think piece on themselves. Little does he know that it actually makes his channel and interview skills devoid of any quality. The best interviewers are and always will remain those who pose challenging questions to those in power.
Ironically it's what Lee Kuan Yew didn't do that made Singapore rich - leaving the British established institutions, finanical and legal systems unchanged. This is contrast to how the Chinese government is progressingly messing up Hong Kong.
HK is now much more prosperous than HK was under British rule.Further,HK always ranks among the highest in freedom of speech and judicial independence in international surveys.Go worry about your own country, dude!
@@thinkingaloud5379 mainland chinese wumao
@@DLL-y4p CIA bot
@@thinkingaloud5379 Please cite your evidence. Curious. What i see is that it keeps falling year by year 🥴
@@endi4654 Just google.The data is all there.
Really excellent interview, I think one of your best! Loved how big picture and broad ranging the topics were, then how you and Blair tried to drill to the crux on each of them.
crazy to think he is out of power nearly 20 years and miles ahead of most US politicians in cognitive ability
Oh please, Henry Kissinger is 99 year old and he's still miles ahead of Blair.
@@randomuser5237 Operative word being 'most', not 'all'. And Kissinger died six months ago. I suspect his cognitive abilities aren't so hot now.
the man who lied about the iraqi war?
This is top notch journalism! Great work
He did well during his first term bcz he was ambitious and innocent! Then he messed up in his second term bcz he started to align his policy and ambition with US so he lost his track and he will always be remembered for his wars debacle so asking him for advice is pretty much like asking an arsonist to come and put out fire but Im learning ftom him :)
You are such a great interviewer. I normally don't watch interviews with politicians, but fair enough. I really enjoyed your interview with Sarah Paine, you really should get Peter Zeihan and Stephen Kotkin on next.
I’ve never really had time to look into Tony Blair, but holy crap he is such a bright individual so articulate and well thought out. Absolutely amazing conversation! Really, really so inspired and awestruck
Tony Blair is a clever and intensely evil man.
He’s scum
People said that about epstein
The government is broken, and I HELPED! 😢
31:56 tony puts a lot on good leadership - he would, its his budiness. But bad ideas can often be taken up by teriffic leaders with terrible results.
If some of those Singapore decisions had been frankly poor - then no amount of great "leadership" would have achieved the results singspore has had.
Many of the ptoblems the uk has in public services and planning, lack of housing and wildly uncontrolled immigration - are frankly not going to be solved by "generative AI"
It's implied that part of good leadership is making correct decisions, no?
I love the diversity of portfolios your interviewees hold. You're not only focused on tech/AI, but also politics and management. You're my favourite podcaster!
yeah... that's ok for bots, not for real humans. The guy is a hand puppet with someone's hand up his a*s. Doesn't need his brains anymore, he has YT to pay for his mouth opening.
Unsubscribe is my vote
"For the developing world, the lockdowns did more harm than good". - Tony Blair. Definitely true in Thailand and The Philippines, but I don't see anything good from lockdowns in rich countries when their huge debts from lockdown and furlough now need to be paid back with interest. Only Sweden was run by a scientist.
Aren't you forgetting Angela Merkel of Germany?
@@Blackcomanche Yes, but she shut down Germany's nuclear power and behaved in many ways like a nice old lady not the psychopath general or scientist needed to fight a war or pandemic. Do not let a nice bedside manner physician discuss fighting pandemics.
Your attire of choice is commendable and I am sure that the interviewee appreciated it.
Wow! this is awesome, Dwarkesh. Thank you, keep it up man
You can see how giddy, even arroused he is being so close to real, ruthless, british power.
"they are a race of suckups mr president"
wrong. dwarkesh likes leaders who understand econ. him being british or ruthless means nothing.
@@xsuploader You wanna yell "wrong" but can't even understand the point. You confirm my argument either way.
he is so giddy, they probably gave him some Marmalade beforehand
Exactly, Tony Blair only cared for power and control. He may have said words and given platitudes and virtue signalling about how he cares for people, YET overall he killed more than a million people.
What an insightful interview. Really good questions. Thank you for sharing this.
I despise Blair and believe he was the start to the end. I did think this interview was particularly interesting especially the moments regarding Lee Kuan Yew.
Thanks for the content
If you thought the problems started with Blair then you must not be very old and have no memory or personal experience of who came before him. The 1960s, the 1970s. Absolutely woeful.
@@joythought Blair started the uncontrolled mass immigration
@@ShotsMerkzAlland stopped the police tackling crime
Concern about "saying" and not "doing" is a great way to summarize what's wrong with politics right now
Yes the guy is thought of as a war criminal by many - and he does not spend much time here - but given the quality of his successors, well it's all been downhill from him being a bit shifty to flat out lies cronyism and corruption. The bit from 44m in is a tl:dr of how to run a country. The one sentence "figure out the right policy and then shape the politics to fit that" is exactly what the current uk govt has not done arguably since 2010.
This man loves the word fundamentally
You got selected bro
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Congrats Dwarkesh, quite the scoop! 👏👏👏👏
All the problems the UK is facing right now is mainly because of Tony Bliar
At least u can say what u hv said.In North Korea u'll either be dead or sent to a slave labour camp after saying that.
If u dislike TB so much,then try being a North Korean citizen.
How are you getting these guests!
Dwarka must have some deepstate connections, or be selected by them, for him to be getting these sorts of guests
money
Come on! Dwarkesh must be actually just be chatting with an AI simulation of Tony :D
Easily done because TB spouts the same garbage everywhere
How on Earth did you land this 😵💫
I get such a sense of transactional thinking from Tony - I guess politics is currently very much zero sum, competition of ideas and negotiation for personal success. All very ego based.
The business of government.
I've just watched a very recent interview with Dario Amodei who gave me much more hope for leadership with good core values, humility and vision.
Woah Dwarkesh summoned the Blair creature
The Good Friday Agreement and stopping the genocide in Kosovo were notable achievements of Tony Blair's government. People are quick to forget that he bought peace in Northern Ireland and to the people of Kosovo
Also introduced a minimum wage in the teeth of resistance from employers, tax credits to reduce the tax burden on the lowest paid, set up devolved systems of government in Scotland and Wales and was instrumental in the removal of one of the most brutal dictatorships in the history of the Middle East. Remind me again: what has Sunak done?
I really don't think his role in toppling Saddam Hussein is something that stands in his favour, given subsequent events. @@solitarianihilista1454
Don't forget intervention sierra Leone helped end the civil war
@@benspicer4197 the long term consequences of that were disastrous. That small victory over a dipsh1t gang of drug addicts and thugs convinced Blair that him and the US could do the same in Iraq and Afghanistan.
How you got him for the pod
I really enjoyed this podcast, what an interesting interview....
Really great interview. Blair is a hell of a get, too. Congrats.
You’re a blessing to many silent people Dwarkesh - really appreciate your work; thank you.
You are becoming one of the best interviewers around mainly cos you don't dumb it down! makes it far more interesting...
Dwarkesh, what the f*ck kind of network do you have??? It's amazing and I love that you're sharing it with us ❤
Tony is a supporter of digital id, digital health. My concern is ai will be used to look for patterns in people's data then the models used to nudge society more effectively. When you add food shopping and online activity hopefully you can see my concern.
I still don't see the promblem with digital id. Reduces costs in collecting in taxes, cracks down on gangs and major criminals and allows for a better efficient of nhs using more data
@@jamesholt4449 ok thank you for not addressing my points and making your own.
Great video. More political, or should I say policy talk, please
As an American I really don't get the hate around Tony Blair. America was hell-bent on going into Iraq and it would have happened unilaterally. Britain could have stayed on the sidelines and had zero influence... but why not be a partner and try to moderate an obviously emotional and hurt ally...
You think he should be excused for participating in an atrocity to receive benefits?
Oh, I reread that, you're going for nuance. What did Tony Blair do to reduce the horrific impact this had on tens of millions of lives that would have been better than rejecting it altogether?
Typical American chauvinism to consider that the only reason people might despise the UK PM is an American concern regarding needless war, rather than the unending damage he's done to Britain
Lol, you don't join someone in committing a crime just so you can be a "moderating" influence, which is debatable that he ever was.
You are right, you don't 'get it'. The man fundamentally destroyed the UK, the ramifications being endlessly felt today.
From Dominic Cummings to Tony Blair - Dwarkesh doing this thing! Can't wait to listen to this one.
the only interview that tony bliar should be doing is with a lawyer present at the international criminal court! #WarCriminal #wmdLies
Great interview and a great guest.
This was brilliant
Advising Lee Kuan Yew... 😂
If you are born and bred in Singapore from LKY times then you will be able to talk or otherwise you need to control your mouth about saying anything about LYK
War criminal.. how he's still free? And Assange was sitting in prison?
Because one committed a crime, the other didn't. Assange did by the way. Give it a rest, it's gone now.
Assange did what tell the lies about weapons of mass destraction? 🤔 and Blair actually exposed war crimes?
Give it a rest lmao try spending years of life in an embassy and then give your next go at putting it behind you@@illyriandescendant7963
Doubt Assange was sitting in prison
how many WMDs
Such an original comment. (Sarcasm in mode ).
by their fruits you shall know them.....What are Bliar's fruits, pray tell?
Blair didnt mention , we need to respect our Huge neighbours , our heritage , our malays . Till Today Malay is our national language and our anthem is in malay also . our military commands are in malay . English is our Working language & 1st language to unify the people . Malay language is like our figurehead also . Imagine if Ukraine did what singapore did , you think Russia would still attack ??
Mr. Blair is totally right in identifying the three key elements of Singapore's success with LKY.
There is a fourth element which is more important and it ensured Singapore's continuity in maintaining their success.
That is, LKY's doctrine of meritocracy, and a nation built on justice and equality regardless of race, language or religion.
Once you mix religion with government or a government based on religion (theocracy), then you will have trouble with success.
Once you mix race, language and religion under the guise of multiculturism and diversity, you will have disunity.
Lots of focus on the cult of personality of political leaders. In Switzerland we have no number 1 political leader , it is spread over a body of 7 people , who hand over the mantle of "president" every 12 months ...
Great interview! Well done for getting this intellectual giant on your podcast!
The most inspiring and thoughtful British PM since the Second World War, who redefined the challenges for Britain and the West in ways that will remain part of our discourse for many years to come. Sadly sidelined and criticized by detractors in Britain, essentially over one foreign policy failure, he is increasingly being sought after in Britain. He was better respected overseas, including much of the Middle East already. Tony Blair of 1997 is not the same today. He has actually grasped, evolved, and grown into the towering intellectual figure we have today. Much like Lee Kwan Yew whose greatness continues to shine a light on the path ahead for peaceful progress. Well done on persuading Tony Blair to participate!
Wow, definitely not. He lied about WMD. How can you forgive that!?
@@mikezooper only about 30% of the intelligence is in the public domain. But with time things change. As Assange well knows.
I still remember as a kid from India his famous statement before Iraq War - We still don't know what he has 😂
Wish you had more concrete examples to ask on covid e.g. if you wanted to rollout the pfizer vaccine in May 2020, was that possible? What would it have taken?
They had the vaccine by then but the problem was producing them and that you still had to go through the formal 3 stage trials. They did this concurrently to speed up the process.
We could've had it out quicker if it had been taken more serious a month prior. The WHO took forever to declare it a pandemic.
Very interesting 👌 👍 🤔
Why Lee Kuan Yew picked English as the official language for all the races/ethnic group was he saw the effects of the majority Sinhalese imposing their language on the minority Tamils in Sri Lanka in 1956. It marginalized the Tamils and turned them into a discontented group of people who are forever in conflict with the Sinhalese (Hence the Tami Tigers). Yes the Tamil Tigers have been defeated and disbanded, but the conditions for another Tamil rebel army to take its place are still there, even more than even since now Sri Lanka is in the economic crap-house
Beast!
Being the head of government in America has no equivalence to being the head of government in the UK. I think this is something UK citizens really don't have a handle on. Tony made some mistakes in some ways but he was very aware of how American power shapes Europe. Is another world. Europe could break tomorrow and yes that means you in the UK but also America could break tomorrow.. Western democracy is broken and fractured. This is power to people who don't share our values.. The future is uncertain.. if Europe can't focus on what it has in common, it's doomed. This is true for America states too.
Bro went fishing and came back with a shark
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This is great. Tony Blair is such an eloquent man with insightful thoughts. This is how podcast should be done. You don't get such conversation on Bloomberg
Incredible, Dwarkesh pulling bigger guests than Tyler _or_ Joe
Tyler who? Joe who?
@@OrwellsHousecat An economist-foodie widely considered the best podcaster in the biz, and the largest podcaster in the world.
Did i miss the bit where he laid out the benefits fo people's quality of life.
God knows I love Tony Blair. But when he says "what we do with our leaders..." the "our" is not accidental.
Dwarkesh speedrunning podcasting
Wow Blair says he wants a small, 'specialist' state that encourages innovation now, in 2024. Yet when he was actually PM he created the Supreme Court of the UK (enlarging and fracturing the state and destroying seperation of powers), he devolved powers to scotland and wales (significantly enlarging and fracturing the state), he also made some elements of the state unaccountable (bank of england independence). The united kingdom HAD a small, specialist state that encouraged innovation, it was called Parliamentary sovereignty. Every single thing I just mentioned, which Blaire enacted, caused the state to swell and fracture and now we have a vast state that doesnt work because every single entity is equal to and at odds with the other and many decisions are taken by unaccountable and unelected bodies. Oh yea, he abolished the office of Lord chancellor as well, that acted as the bridge between powers. Now, instead of a system that evolved carefully over 1500 years we have a broken and bloated constitution that doesnt work because Blaire decide he was smarter than 1500 years of development and decided to fundamentally meddle with the UK constutition. Blaire is squarely responsible for the fractured UK constitution we see today. And now he says he wants a 'small, specialist' government. Blair inherited a small government and he tore it up.
He fundamentally destroyed the UK and the country is still reeling from it. He is evil.
Finally!
We need to focus on the SUBJECT rather than WHO…… I think Dwarkesh is trying to explore how Governments & Politicians can play Positive Roles in forming policies that can help mankind and the environment we live in
I remember how happy we all were in the UK when blair came in in 1997. The UK ran much better then. He's my favourite pm except all the war crimes
You forget how happy we were to see the back of him and then of course Brown. Blair destroyed the very fabric of this country and the country is reeling still from his disastrous time as PM.
The rare gift of any leader is knowing when to leave the arena of leadership. It’s not a waste of accumulated experience and a trusted network, but a courage to leave it to the next generation.
You mean money.
Bro upgraded to interviewing war criminals
L+ Not a war criminal + Blair is the greatest modern British prime minister
@@Retotion The guys is a walking Khmer Rouge
Look, I'm seriously concerned - will you now go bankrupt having interviewed Tony Blair? I mean, we know he charges per millisecond, and the amounts ain't pretty. I mean, I hope you haven't mortgaged the rest of your life to obsequiousness to DAVOS if you can't pay.
Touch grass.
He doesn't charge money, he takes your soul
@@OrwellsHousecat He doesn't only charge money.......
Do Blinken next!
Dude seriously? How they potentially got Iraq wrong? This is the most foolish interviewer or intentionally naive - like a junior high schooler who meets the captain of the football team.
Who arranged this? Looks like the machine wants to get its tentacles into this space...
Convicted of war crimes in Malaysia
Dwarkesh may well get an offer from a major news network.
This platform is a lot bigger than most major news networks
Good job. Try and get the exiled crown prince of iran.
Why is tony Blair going on about ai teachers and doctors when people are starving? No one can learn or get healthy until they can eat and reliably know they can eat every day. End poverty and sort housing first, and the we can talk
He implements those systems into governments across the world, for a fee.
He's like the KPMG management consultancy, but for States.
You cannot beat QUALITY
This war criminal should be in jail rather than in podcast