Sure, use the rear brake, but not too soon!! Get White and Blue Belt drills down easily first...then start to add the rear brake. MotoJitsu.com/store for my books, app, merch, etc.
What's really helpful about your explanations are that you seem to anticipate what noobies would struggle with, as if you remember what it was like to be a noobie yourself.
I prefer the rear brake method, especially for the UK roads where I live since they're so narrow and cambered, helps keep the bike more upright and using more steering rather than lean angle, my bike has a lot of lock.
@@thaik56 I think the entire point, here, is that you should become proficient with various techniques and then use the one that makes the most sense in a given situation. What invariably happens is people get used to ONE technique (usually the easiest), and then they're up a creek when it doesn't work in a situation.
Great advice. Personally, adding the rear brake lets me do the same thing but tighter. Definitely easier to add it after clutch and throttle are “automatic”, it’s like playing drums, separating the limbs in stages.
Great video Greg! This brings me back to your early days on UA-cam. You really did a great job breaking down each skill and showing how they contribute to the handling of the bike
I tend to use the front brake for actual breaking (unexpected situation ahead), but the rear brake is for maneuvering and modest moderation of the speed while in traffic. It allows me to concentrate on steering and throttle control much easier. Plus, it has a much less fork dive impact than the front brake.
During my test for the license, I needed to do 7 in a row 8 figure. Without the rear break it works well when the place is flat. The location for the test wasn't (6% inclination). Mastering the rear brake was the key of success in my case.
Remember, if it helps to stabilize your line without depending on it too much, then there's absolutely nothing wrong in using the rear brake. Not depending on it unto thee, using it smoothly to correct one's line and it's a great tool..
In the UK basic training included figure 8 inside of cones and a slight slope needing full lock, I think the instructor could do it without rear brake but was just showing off, he told us to balance brake clutch and throttle to keep the bike from falling down etc whilst holding full lock , very rewarding once mastered.
If I keep watching these videos, I’m going to want a GS. I’ve probably over relied on the the rear brake to get to Brown Belt so I’ll have to go back and try the earlier drills without it.
I'm a new rider. Have a KTM 890. I just got your app and I'm excited to start the exercises and working through them! Other riders I have encountered so far have been very discouraging that I am a beginner. So I will rely on UA-cam University to learn lol! Your videos are helping so much! Thank you!!
Thanks Greg......your descriptions are clear and spot on. If you have the applicable video gear.....it would help to see a close up of your hands on the levers inserted into the scenes of performing the maneuvers
Thank god for you Mr MotoJitsu! The absolute epitome of motorcycle training & technique. I’m scrolling through videos of other so called motorbike training videos. I/we was being told that you cannot lean a bike with slow manoeuvre of which he demonstrated doing a u turn completely upright. It must have been about a 30 foot turn. I mean I’m still learning but with getting the lean on & looking behind you I’ve got mine down to about 10-15 feet at a guess. Basically about halfway between the other side of the road whereas before was struggling to make the curb. I’m finding it easy now. Doing it without the fumbling. There is so much contradictory information on bike technique. I’m glad I found you early on. Most other people talk absolute shit!
Great explanation on building skill! It's true as well when motor officers are learning their friction zone drills, they are not allowed to use the rear brake initially just to reinforce the relationship on throttle and clutch. Paul Harper expands on this as well. Great explanation on the use of the rear brake for drag though. Thank you for the content and I'll keep practicing!
Spring needs to spring into action.......... still waiting after nearly a month for the MotoJitsu merch So far, have only received one misprinted tee shirt ( bought fabric paint through Amazon so that i could fix it myself) can't imagine how long it would take to go through the "return" process I whine because I love ❤ Can't wait for that zip hoodie to be woven!!! Love cardigan type stuff, not too fond of pullovers. Thinking of putting zippers in my tee-shirts. But, I digress
I was looking for a comment on DCT or Automatic. I was so frustrated trying to figure out the right technique on mine to do slow speed and finally stumbled on the fact that the rear brake actually works on the ECU to "create" a friction zone/slipping the clutch a bit. It changed everything for me and my ATAS. Gotta use rear brakes with DCT in super low speeds. I can uturn in my driveway now after a ride and that was a big day!
Hey Buddy, I am just learning and am the ultimate NOOB. I only have experience on a 250 dirt bike, but now I am on an 1100 Goldwing. lol The first time I rode this thing, none of the breaks worked, and I was able to uturn. lol But yes the rear brake does seem to help, now that I got it working. For me the toughest thing is to remember and automate the friction zone in the clutch.
When during a maneuver is the rear brake applied? Here demonstrated it seems rear brake is steadily applied during the turn segment and eased off in transition to the cross-over in the figure 8. Yes? So I'm thinking: How would I apply this to the weave (a particularly difficult skill for me the further out the cones get)? Which leads me to the question, What is the rear brake doing in these low speed maneuvers? weight transfer, torque, what is it? [Edited with better words :)]
Same when I learnt to ride a motorcycle aged 16 we were taught to cover and use the rear brake to ensure tight line in the U turn manoeuvre. Aged 57 have ridden Sports Crusier Adventure and everything in between. Still use the back brake. I'm aged 57 now
So do u essentially stay in d friction zone for those slow speed moves with just a slight steady pressure on the throttle,the latter part of which I'm struggling with? Maintaining that steady pressure,that is.
Great practical demo and explanation. I like the concept of building on solid fundamentals. I feel we too often jump to advanced skills without having mastered the basics. Question, how does the GS' linked breaking system influence technique? P.S. I'm subscribed.
It’s not linked it’s integrated. When I apply the rear it’s only the rear. Even if I rode a bike with linked, doesn’t really matter, I use the rear the same because you’re never using more than 5-10% rear brake anyway…so it’s not that big of deal 👍🏼
Dragging the rear brake while doing slow, tight figures of 8 - you don't find it that the bike is cutting off the power after 10 sec. or so? Granted, I'm standing on that rear brake a little too much (while working with the throttle and clutch) - but still, it's very annoying as it leaves me without throttle mid-turn and have to re-adjust. Bike is a Yamana XJ6.
@@MotoJitsu Yeah, I think you're right. I used only clutch and throttle at first and found it difficult to maintain constant speed in the turns. Added rear brake and my problems went away. That kinda speaks to your point.
Something is only a "crutch" if there's a chance you'll fail without it, and there's also a chance it won't be available one day. Are we preparing for the day when our rear brakes don't work?
Scooter riders, you can skip the section about the clutch. We have a lot less to juggle with. :P (Honda Cub/Trail also included, the most produced vehicle in the world.)
My clutch lever has a very small friction zone and I have good old tennis elbow and my hand starts to cramp when trying to do slow practice with in a few minutes. Any advice on how do get better without needing as much friction zone in a video response. I want to get better but may need to modify how I do it if possible.
Ask Chat GPT about the physics of "trail braking". It will tell you that the rear break transfers weight to the rear and lowers the center of gravity. Of course, it is a balance. You can't just push the rear brake all the time.
@@MotoJitsuit seems that you are right. GpT made a mistake about that term but not about the physics of applying the rear brake at low speeds to maintain balance. I was just wondering about the physics because I'm a math's guy. I do Grand Prix Dressage for perfection. I do motorcycles for pure fun, but maybe I will someday take a course like the one you recommend. Thank you.
Well this is convenient. 😄 Just finished a Ride Like A Pro class, yesterday, and juggling the rear brake with clutch and throttle was driving me batty. I did my best when I left rear brake out of the equation. Otherwise, I was just pogo-sticking that brake and it was making more trouble for me. Thanks for this. 👍🏽
Just use the rear like it's not connected...nothing to worry about because you're never using more than 10% of rear brake anyway. It's mostly clutch and throttle. ABS has nothing to do with u-turns.
I think in this case, using the rear brake for slow speed turns is easier than just clutch and throttle alone. In fact, I think doing the same turns without the rear brake requires a higher level of skill. The juggling 2 balls vs 3 balls metaphor doesn't seem to be correct in this case.
Sure, use the rear brake, but not too soon!! Get White and Blue Belt drills down easily first...then start to add the rear brake. MotoJitsu.com/store for my books, app, merch, etc.
What's really helpful about your explanations are that you seem to anticipate what noobies would struggle with, as if you remember what it was like to be a noobie yourself.
I prefer the rear brake method, especially for the UK roads where I live since they're so narrow and cambered, helps keep the bike more upright and using more steering rather than lean angle, my bike has a lot of lock.
Steering without leaning gives you very limited turning radius.
@@thaik56 I think the entire point, here, is that you should become proficient with various techniques and then use the one that makes the most sense in a given situation. What invariably happens is people get used to ONE technique (usually the easiest), and then they're up a creek when it doesn't work in a situation.
Great advice.
Personally, adding the rear brake lets me do the same thing but tighter.
Definitely easier to add it after clutch and throttle are “automatic”, it’s like playing drums, separating the limbs in stages.
Radius equals mph going slower should produce a tighter turn. More lean angle should also produce tighter turn.
Great video Greg! This brings me back to your early days on UA-cam. You really did a great job breaking down each skill and showing how they contribute to the handling of the bike
I tend to use the front brake for actual breaking (unexpected situation ahead), but the rear brake is for maneuvering and modest moderation of the speed while in traffic. It allows me to concentrate on steering and throttle control much easier. Plus, it has a much less fork dive impact than the front brake.
You sure don't understand. Nobody uses the front brake
During my test for the license, I needed to do 7 in a row 8 figure. Without the rear break it works well when the place is flat. The location for the test wasn't (6% inclination). Mastering the rear brake was the key of success in my case.
Remember, if it helps to stabilize your line without depending on it too much, then there's absolutely nothing wrong in using the rear brake. Not depending on it unto thee, using it smoothly to correct one's line and it's a great tool..
In the UK basic training included figure 8 inside of cones and a slight slope needing full lock, I think the instructor could do it without rear brake but was just showing off, he told us to balance brake clutch and throttle to keep the bike from falling down etc whilst holding full lock , very rewarding once mastered.
If I keep watching these videos, I’m going to want a GS. I’ve probably over relied on the the rear brake to get to Brown Belt so I’ll have to go back and try the earlier drills without it.
Me too. 😭
I'm a new rider. Have a KTM 890. I just got your app and I'm excited to start the exercises and working through them! Other riders I have encountered so far have been very discouraging that I am a beginner. So I will rely on UA-cam University to learn lol! Your videos are helping so much! Thank you!!
That's a great bike. Good luck and ride safe!
Thanks Greg......your descriptions are clear and spot on.
If you have the applicable video gear.....it would help to see a close up of your hands on the levers inserted into the scenes of performing the maneuvers
Thank god for you Mr MotoJitsu! The absolute epitome of motorcycle training & technique.
I’m scrolling through videos of other so called motorbike training videos. I/we was being told that you cannot lean a bike with slow manoeuvre of which he demonstrated doing a u turn completely upright. It must have been about a 30 foot turn. I mean I’m still learning but with getting the lean on & looking behind you I’ve got mine down to about 10-15 feet at a guess. Basically about halfway between the other side of the road whereas before was struggling to make the curb. I’m finding it easy now. Doing it without the fumbling. There is so much contradictory information on bike technique. I’m glad I found you early on. Most other people talk absolute shit!
Your demeanor is so chill in this video. I would love to show this video to one of your MCRD recruits, to see his reaction. 🤯
Great explanation on building skill! It's true as well when motor officers are learning their friction zone drills, they are not allowed to use the rear brake initially just to reinforce the relationship on throttle and clutch. Paul Harper expands on this as well. Great explanation on the use of the rear brake for drag though. Thank you for the content and I'll keep practicing!
Spring needs to spring into action.......... still waiting after nearly a month for the MotoJitsu merch
So far, have only received one misprinted tee shirt ( bought fabric paint through Amazon so that i could fix it myself) can't imagine how long it would take to go through the "return" process
I whine because I love ❤
Can't wait for that zip hoodie to be woven!!!
Love cardigan type stuff, not too fond of pullovers. Thinking of putting zippers in my tee-shirts. But, I digress
Good stuff Eddy! When I was young and learned, they always said NO rear brake. As I got older and got into automatics, the said rear brake.
I was looking for a comment on DCT or Automatic. I was so frustrated trying to figure out the right technique on mine to do slow speed and finally stumbled on the fact that the rear brake actually works on the ECU to "create" a friction zone/slipping the clutch a bit. It changed everything for me and my ATAS. Gotta use rear brakes with DCT in super low speeds. I can uturn in my driveway now after a ride and that was a big day!
ua-cam.com/video/3gy9ftbRk1k/v-deo.html this may help both of you
Hey Buddy, I am just learning and am the ultimate NOOB. I only have experience on a 250 dirt bike, but now I am on an 1100 Goldwing. lol The first time I rode this thing, none of the breaks worked, and I was able to uturn. lol But yes the rear brake does seem to help, now that I got it working. For me the toughest thing is to remember and automate the friction zone in the clutch.
How would you handle that if you need to make those maneuvers in a gravel parking lot?
Love your videos..💯
When during a maneuver is the rear brake applied? Here demonstrated it seems rear brake is steadily applied during the turn segment and eased off in transition to the cross-over in the figure 8. Yes? So I'm thinking: How would I apply this to the weave (a particularly difficult skill for me the further out the cones get)? Which leads me to the question, What is the rear brake doing in these low speed maneuvers? weight transfer, torque, what is it? [Edited with better words :)]
My question too +1
What about the method for non flat surface?
For the British test, we have do a u-turn and are to use tought all three control as complete beginners! No wonder we find it hard
ua-cam.com/video/3gy9ftbRk1k/v-deo.html like this?
I need to use the rear brake, doing slow speed on sport bikes, just feels right to me. Other bikes take it or leave it.
Man, You look exhausted! Thanks for the helpful videos as always!!!
I ride a DCT Goldwing so it’s all rear brake. Love to see you demo a DCT.
I have two videos of me riding DCT bikes already, and don’t need the rear brake at all. Look up “MotoJitsu DCT”
Same when I learnt to ride a motorcycle aged 16 we were taught to cover and use the rear brake to ensure tight line in the U turn manoeuvre. Aged 57 have ridden Sports Crusier Adventure and everything in between. Still use the back brake. I'm aged 57 now
So do u essentially stay in d friction zone for those slow speed moves with just a slight steady pressure on the throttle,the latter part of which I'm struggling with? Maintaining that steady pressure,that is.
Great practical demo and explanation. I like the concept of building on solid fundamentals. I feel we too often jump to advanced skills without having mastered the basics. Question, how does the GS' linked breaking system influence technique? P.S. I'm subscribed.
It’s not linked it’s integrated. When I apply the rear it’s only the rear.
Even if I rode a bike with linked, doesn’t really matter, I use the rear the same because you’re never using more than 5-10% rear brake anyway…so it’s not that big of deal 👍🏼
Cheers thanks for the response.
Dragging the rear brake while doing slow, tight figures of 8 - you don't find it that the bike is cutting off the power after 10 sec. or so? Granted, I'm standing on that rear brake a little too much (while working with the throttle and clutch) - but still, it's very annoying as it leaves me without throttle mid-turn and have to re-adjust. Bike is a Yamana XJ6.
no...you're using too much...learn clutch and throttle first before adding any rear brake.
@@MotoJitsu Yeah, I think you're right. I used only clutch and throttle at first and found it difficult to maintain constant speed in the turns. Added rear brake and my problems went away. That kinda speaks to your point.
You are just good with this stuff.
Something is only a "crutch" if there's a chance you'll fail without it, and there's also a chance it won't be available one day. Are we preparing for the day when our rear brakes don't work?
You're the best of all! 🇬🇷
Scooter riders, you can skip the section about the clutch. We have a lot less to juggle with. :P (Honda Cub/Trail also included, the most produced vehicle in the world.)
ua-cam.com/video/3gy9ftbRk1k/v-deo.html
My clutch lever has a very small friction zone and I have good old tennis elbow and my hand starts to cramp when trying to do slow practice with in a few minutes. Any advice on how do get better without needing as much friction zone in a video response. I want to get better but may need to modify how I do it if possible.
Am I the only one who has never tried rear brake turns (besides sliding on dirt)?
Ok, I'm going to go do drills in the walmart parking lot. ✌
I appreciate all your knowledge, but my motorcycle is a dct transmission, so the rear brake is my fricción zone 😬.
Cool video, very nicely done.
Out of interest what if you have linked brakes? My foot brake does the rear and 1 front disk.
It's better without the rear brake anyways. More comfortable. Your right foot gets to relax.
Ask Chat GPT about the physics of "trail braking". It will tell you that the rear break transfers weight to the rear and lowers the center of gravity. Of course, it is a balance. You can't just push the rear brake all the time.
When anyone talks about trail braking, it’s mostly about the front. Maybe take champ school and learn from professional racers vs chat gpt
@@MotoJitsuit seems that you are right. GpT made a mistake about that term but not about the physics of applying the rear brake at low speeds to maintain balance. I was just wondering about the physics because I'm a math's guy. I do Grand Prix Dressage for perfection. I do motorcycles for pure fun, but maybe I will someday take a course like the one you recommend. Thank you.
I hope you do MotoJitsu.com/courses
This question been bugging me for a while, that number 8 manoeuvre, do i use 1st or 2nd gear?
first gear
I have a question out of the blues have u ever rode a Triumph Tger
clutch and throttle only for me, if I really need to, a little kick on the ground as well and thats all i need.
2:24 Look ...Dady ...look
Thank you brother, for always making a really good video's and sharing the tips and knowledge with us riders. It really helps us a lot .
you're welcome!
Master moto, please do a video on vanishing points.
You can't do full lock turns without the rear break... Maybe that's why I was having so much trouble 🤪
You can do full lock turns without the rear brake. In fact, you can do full lock turns from a stop without using the rear brake.
He said he couldn't do them- so I was going on that to explain why I seem to have so much difficulty.
Hey brother can you talk about having a headset in with music playing talking away from your ability to hear that engine
it doesn't take my ability to hear anything.
i feel like u can get away with not doing alot of things when riding, but why just not do them if they make life that much easier?
Well this is convenient. 😄 Just finished a Ride Like A Pro class, yesterday, and juggling the rear brake with clutch and throttle was driving me batty. I did my best when I left rear brake out of the equation. Otherwise, I was just pogo-sticking that brake and it was making more trouble for me. Thanks for this. 👍🏽
And what about combined breaking systems and add abs crap.
Just use the rear like it's not connected...nothing to worry about because you're never using more than 10% of rear brake anyway. It's mostly clutch and throttle. ABS has nothing to do with u-turns.
Very bad idea to put your feet in this such unsecure position while turning, at 2:20 😂
The answer is no.
I think in this case, using the rear brake for slow speed turns is easier than just clutch and throttle alone. In fact, I think doing the same turns without the rear brake requires a higher level of skill. The juggling 2 balls vs 3 balls metaphor doesn't seem to be correct in this case.
It feels easier if the person started using it too early, which most riders do. The fundamentals is clutch and throttle, learn that first.