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Why You’re Lacking DOWNHILL Confidence
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Once you have front brake confidence, you will fear no downhill. Why the front brake? Because it's the most powerful and it will have the most effect of getting the weight forward to compress the front suspension to get weight onto the front tire; less rake and trail, more contact patch, easier to turn = more confidence :) MotoJitsu.com
The problem is we're taught SLPR in the beginning and SLPR doesn't work going downhill.
Yes
You might want to reference this advice to the grade percentage and how long the recents are. Many Cruiser bikes will smoke the brakes if pushed too hard for to long. You may be assuming common sense to new riders.
Side note , if you used this philosophy in a heavy truck….. that’s what the runaway lanes are for. (Use it or die, because you have no braking ability left from overheating)
@@ConcoursOne Thanks for the advice. I didn't know brake fade was possible on a "heavy" bike. I put heavy in quotation marks because it's still a bike.
Side note: What if you drive a truck and you can't read English? I'm joking of course; even if that guy in Colorado couldn't read the runaway sign NOBODY CAN TELL ME HE DIDN'T SEE THAT BIG PHUCKING RAMP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD!
@@ConcoursOne Obviously you're a driver too so one quick question:
I recently started riding but shifting a bike was an easy concept for me, but every now and then when I'm in a good rhythm I forget to use the clutch. Is this common for drivers starting to ride? Also when it happens it goes in like butter, but I wonder if it's hard on my bike?
Riding a bike is not rocket science but it does take an enormous amount of practice once you have acquired the prerequisite skills and techniques. Revisiting these techniques is invaluable to maintaining and improving my overall riding ability. Much appreciated.
I´m riding since about 4 years, made the first tour this year and realised I was never riding in rain and have never been riding so much downhill also had the fear of not knowing which corner comes next, also my brake fluid was at it´s limit so I went beyond my comfort zone multiple times but everything went well and I know there´s still a lot to learn for me.
I personally downshift and brake at the same time when coming up to a corner. I want to be in the correct gear and be on the brakes to get slowed down.
Awesome mate try Rev matching along with using front break and a little bit of traibreaking it's orgasmic haha
@@TN23BIKER i use both breaks i downshift and rev match its a 2stroke so that is prety easy
@rm_guy that's a orgasmic feel haha
@@TN23BIKER yep yep
Bro. U r doing a very good job I live in busy London so I’m a street rider I watch all ur videos I ride a 2012 r1 every day to work for 6 years and still going. I appreciate u
I rode a moped from the age of 11 to 23. My first real bike was a Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES with DCT at the age of 52 and started riding 2 up with my wife within a couple of months of practice… all thanks to Motojitsu videos 😅
Eddie, can you do a video on the “A pillar Killer”. A very common crash. I believe people need to be aware of this blind spot. If you can’t see the driver's eyes because of the A pillar, that driver hasn’t seen you. Do not hide behind the “A pillar”. Always look for the eyes of the driver.
If you're going to pass in front of a vehicle the vehicle will be moving backward across your windscreen. If you're going to pass behind the vehicle the vehicle will be moving forwards across your windscreen. If you're on a crash course the vehicle will stay in exactly the same place on your windscreen. (Or A pillar).
So if you're on an aeroplane and you can see another aeroplane but it's not moving across the window but staying in the same place. Just getting bigger and bigger you're on a crash course.
We have all heard that line. “Sorry mate, I didn’t see ya!” But in reality he or she didn’t see you at all. They looked but the rider had put themselves behind the A pillar exactly when they looked. Or the rider has been riding behind the A pillar the entire time.
People need to understand collision courses, blind spots and how not to be in that position. I think a video on this from someone like you will save some lives
just hit the 6 month mark in my riding and your videos and canyonchasers has helped tones.
CanyonChasers is so much better than "Fast" Eddie. I emailed him a question and he was dismissive and implied I was stupid. I emailed Dave the exact same question, got a very thorough, complete and reassuring answer. Apparently, Dave has been riding since 1988, been a professional instructor for over 20 years - this hack has only been riding for five years and treats people like crap.
What freaks me out on corners is knowing that ice, diesel, oil, someone's discarded banana skin, leaves, mud, even just water is waiting to make my nice lean and nice trail braking a crunching, scraping slide along the road!
Line selection and vision, I know 😜
Thank you again sir.
You are a great teacher,
teaching from your experience.
God bless you always sir.
#1 Motorcycle riding knowledge guy right here. Big thanks!
Great stuff, THANK YOU. Spent the entire day practicing Up/Downs and experimenting with all the deceleration combinations and techniques from your Trail Braking video. What a blast.
Sound advice as usual Greg, I tend to zap it back 2 cogs on a downhill hairpin and trail brake where I might only do 1 on level or uphill hairpins. Slower is always safer going downhill.
i have fun either uphill or downhill on payment. Off road downhill is a different story. Still learning offroad.. Always willing to learn and get reminded of things i forgot.
Thanks for all your videos
I have a grown child, but I want to thank you for TEACHING LITTLE JOHNNY HOW TO KEEP HIS HEAD.
I'M VERY SURE YOU HAVE SAVED MORE LIVES THAN YOU EVEN Realize.
KEEP ON KEEP'EN ON!
Excellent advice! thank you
Love your videos man! Learning so much from you! Ride safe man !
I barely use the rear break until and unless I have to emergency stop the bike,still have alot to learn,amazing video,ride safe guys
For me it's opposite: I use it quite a lot but rarely while braking hard. The risk of fishtailing isn't worth the tiny amount of increased braking power I'd get on the crotch rockets, enduros and supermotos I've ridden.
@Jeff Estrada thankyou for the suggestion brother,will keep in mind,ride safe mate :)
Love the downhill uphill breaking exercise and will be sure to do it when I get well,, thanks
Very interesting coaching about downhill and uphill, thanks for nice information.
More blessings to you ❤
I get how this is useful for people who ask the question 'how do I handle downhill twisties?' but really, I prefer engine breaking first and brakes second when going downhill. Of course, if the engine is not enough I will add front brake and trail brake normally or to solve any unexpected things. My reflexes are entirely on the brakes, but as long as I can think, I keep the decent in slightly higher RPM than I normally would so that the engine brake is stronger as soon as I go off the gas/downshift.
Also, the faster you go, the less time/place there is for engine breaking.
Veteran to Veteran, buddy, great F@#$%ing content, you're an outstanding instructor my friend. Great information, clear presentation. I knew you were a vet by the way you speak before I ever heard you mention the military. Thankyou. Always Forward.
Great tutorial. Yes, I am going to mention something that you did touch on but might have emphasized more. Rear brakes and the absolute need to understand that rear wheel getting light. Too much rear brake will do you in as easy or easier as to much front.
That hill is crazy! It’s scary driving a car I can’t even imagine how it is on a motorcycle
With the single tracks in the UK, it’s uphill, sharp corners, stop-start traffic, and off-camber so can’t always use back brake 😅.
Great content and entertaining as always. Have learned SO much from you in recent years, which has made my riding more aggressive yet safer and more fun. Thank you!
You are life saver, mine yeah! Saben i'm in tweesties you're on My head with SQUEEEZZZING THE BREAKS!! Thanks
Thanks for the tips!
Thanx bud. You are awesome and your helpful tips are absolutely priceless.
Great teacher!!!!
I don't intend to be a smart-ass. I understand this goes oriented to automatic gearbox car users.
This super sound advice is the same as for a manual car or a bicycle. When you go downhill you make sure you have the feet mainly on break and clutch.
It seems evident to me, but I understand it's a new concept if you're used to the car doing the work.
Sorry again if I sound condescending, not my intention.
My thoughts exactly! I don't ride automatic car and the detailed explanation for the uphill is just a normal ride of a car.. :D But I guess most of the world now drives automatic.
Most people have no idea how powerful the front brake is. Love the feeling at the track when the back end gets light under braking.
Great content as usual! Thanks so much
I'm pretty sure most people don't actually understand that while its obvious you love what you do you are still spending your time resources, so thank you.
Excellent video as always.
Before entering the corner, do you down shift first then brake or use the brake first then downshift? Let’s say you have to downshift in order to have the right gear for the exit.
This advice saves lives! Believe me! Thanks!
🔥 Love your content, bro!
Thank you, Greg! As usual, all the important things with no confusion.
i have a mini Cole man bike practicing but when i own a street motorcycle i'm gonna have to know the gears and how they work your videos really help thanks, gears seem so confusing to use on a bike but when i get one ill know for sure most people on videos say it simple
Hey Man I am watching your chanel and I like so much. Must said you did change A LOT fiscally. as a education content top Man love it 😉
If someone says they fear downhills, what they're really saying is that they fear the front brake.
Because if you don't fear the brake, then going downhill is easy as pie.
Going down Pikes Peak is actually easier on a motorcycle than in a car. Coming down Pikes Peak in my car, I had to stop 3 times to let the brakes cool down (my car didn't have enough engine braking, even in first gear). My bike has much more engine braking than my car, and moreover, it has two big disks in the front, there's no way those are going to overheat.
So there's really nothing to fear going downhill (other than fear itself).
Thanks for remembering.
The key for riding happily and safe?
Practice, practice, practice.
Stay safe and healthy.
🙏
So I got a question, based on my experience as a trucker I know the low and high speeds for each gear as well as needed rpm for that speed in each gear low or high for given speed. Asking for a….,bike , KLR 650 gen 3 no tach. Say I am riding along and a member of the Tali-Bambi suicide deer squad jumps out in front of me trying to be a martyr, but I get on the brakes and miss the deer. Now if I know I dropped about 3 gears of speed when I grabbed the clutch to avoid stalling, I drop the needed 3 gears….
How do I let out on the clutch? Too fast, I might redline, or lock the rear wheel. If too slow, might burn the clutch, or lug and stall ? Assuming by traffic behind me I might not be able to stop to start over again, so I need to keep moving. How do I know when resuming speed after a sudden slow down, how fast or slow to release the clutch?
If it's a wet clutch you can ride it all day long. Not like a car/truck at all. Coming from driving stick shift sports cars, it took me a minute to get used to that. Bikes are meant to be in the friction zone of the clutch, no problem. Let it out when the revs match the speed, slowly. Never dump the clutch on a bike unless you wanna wheelie.
Im always slow downhills, so after this video I go practice more braking and downhilss. Thanks
I just got on a motorcycle for the first time yesterday. For real anyone can go straight. Turning is where the magic is.
Hey Devil Dog I absolutely love your content,your straight forwardness and advice you provide on riding safely and effectively classic marine corps period of instruction. Thank you
Thanks from Portugal 💪🏻
5 minutes of instruction packed into a 27 minute video !
Seriously! It's amazing how much better the Canyon Chasers version of downhill cornering is. And presented by a guy who has been an instructor for four times as long as this hack has even been riding.
Be relaxed on downhills and not pushing the bike ...you'll be fine.
I am from India, don't know how hairpin turn steepness work at your place, but going uphill becomes very difficult than downhill here, because bike becomes so slow at 45° steep it essentially comes to stop while bending.
Also if you are using breaks for too long while going downhill brake discs becomes so hot braking power goes 0.
There are places where they check brake temperatures before letting you go downhill also there are boards which say to stay on 2nd gear only and use engine braking apart from your brakes.
Yea, i did notice a lot of times you have to downshift and keep revving for hairpins on uphills because of the angles lol. I usually prefer downshifting WITH braking for going downhill. Engine braking does half your braking job with your brakes doing the other half with an added benefit of better control in lower gears.
Great tips thank you MotoJitsu 🙏🙏
This is great info, thanks 😎👍
It’s scares me to think that some people may be afraid to use their breaks going down hill into a turn. It’s a must.
Thanks dude!
When you say not wearing full gear and only wearing “ jeans” does this include riding jeans? With knee and hip armor? Or do you just mean regular jeans. Looking to see what offers more protection than riding jeans that can also be used for daily riding.
The program is using the front brakes on downhill. That is what people are afraid to do. They think that they will flip over
I haven't been riding all that long.
Though with the off ramp example. I do go to the front brake but simultaneously start my down shifting. Get enough brake to bring the speed down for that next lower gear. Then I still have the advantage of engine braking from 6th gear down to 3rd (maybe 2nd, depending the turn) as you also use the brakes.
I don't mean that as 6th gear straight to 3rd but actually stopping on 5th and 4th for better engine braking as you get there. While still using the front brake.
It also seems to help not stay on the brakes the whole time. So they don't get as hot and your brake light is flashing rather than just a solid light the idiot behind didn't see.
Try reaching out to Canyon Chasers. I asked "Fast" Eddie and Dave both the exact same question about something I was struggling with. This guy treated me like I was stupid and told me to just "use your brain", while Dave totally answered my question and didn't once make me feel dumb.
@@LisaLadyRider I was just stating that though i understand his emphasis on braking. Not taking advantage of engine braking while rev matching in day to day riding doesn't make sense to me.
The machine is made to do it am I not to use engine braking at all bc he says it's not as predictable as braking?! One should know their bike and how it's going to react to engine braking.
ya never been able to get confidence in my braking. did a few years of weekly emergency braking practice but it's so different when you are thinking about the corner and not just braking in a straight line. at the track I find myself barely using the brakes and mostly engine braking. 20mph straight stops aren't an issue they didn't even give me tips in the last class I took (on braking) because I was good but on the street or track it just seems so different. been wanting to take a track course for years but they are so crazy expensive. I'm probably 30mph slower down palomar than up in the straights 😂 I can do stoppies all day long but having that turn coming up just changes everything.
New rider here. I have a somewhat unrelated question. Stopping at a stop light/ stop sign on a steep incline or decline, which brake are you holding your position with? My neighborhood (including my driveway) is a lot of ups, downs, and blind curves.
Rear
Damnit I live in Kansas 😂 but I agree with you
Hey I live in Austria.. using only the front brake without the engine brake in the Alps would lead to overheating brakes (I've been told by more experienced riders 😉). Don't you also have this problem?
Cheers
Luv the shirt
I’m new to riding, been on the road for 4 days total. When cornering, when using the front brake do you have to hold the clutch in? I realised that when I pull the clutch in there is no engine braking n I can only rely on my brakes to stop or slow down.
mate, you need to practise in a parking lot, watch more of this channel, before you get in trouble on the highway.
Only use the clutch when shifting or coming to a stop,or if u you're going extremely slow.
@@Adrenalean767 this was the answer I was looking for. Cheers
I need a clarification please.
At 11:24 -11:36 .
While we taking the turn downhill we are holding the brakes , releasing them steadily , as trail breaking?, and in the same time we use the gas so we don't fall off the bike? While we are in the middle of the turn ? Cuz so far I saw from your videos that we must use gas when we see the exit !
I don't have a bike yet I'm just learning from your channel which I find it awesome and when I get my bike I will sub to your books lessons etc.
Ty VM for your service teacher.
(I ain't trolling btw)
Again thank you VM!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I was just wondering this after riding down my first hill last night
So much to learn, it's like saying the food got burnt because the stove was set too high.
in a car you don't solely rely on engine braking either. It's mainly the brakes themselves. Sue engine braking is stronger on a bike, but it's the same principle as in a car either way. I'd rather change my brake pads more often than wear out my engine faster
I need the clases
I’m 100 percent afraid of that brake lever
High sided myself halfway to space a few months ago and my fear for the brakes is equal to or greater than the fear of death
I’m always downshifting while breaking front and rear all at the same time it’s pretty much all intuitive
Thanks!
I have ninja 1000sx, i went to a place in India called Mcleodganj. This place has numerous hair pin turn and also has the steepest climb i’ve ever seen. I used all my experience there and was unable to turn the bike correctly on uphill. I always went wide to upcoming traffic. Downhill is always the easiest part for me but uphill with hair pin turn and steep climbs scares the shi* out of me.
Somehow I find it harder and feel less confident going uphill in corners , haven't foundd out why.
Losing maintenence throttle as you gain incline. Now your moving slower than anticipated so the lean angle has to be adjusted more upright for the lower speed. YMMV.
It's not strange, because with confidence in your braking skills, going downhill is indeed easy.
Going uphill requires different skills, you need good clutch/throttle skills to avoid stalling (= falling) in a tight low speed uphill turn. Going downhill you need confidence in your braking skills.
@@mhoeij no clutch required
Well where I live it’s flat like a pancake 👎🏻would love to practice that and twisties to
25:00 CONTROLED uncomfortable situations
Thank you very much
Long story short, it takes more skill to corner downhill :)
Those of us that grew up with 2 stroke dirt bikes know not to rely on engine braking since we had none.
Engine breaking helps alot
Nice chair :D
idyllwild down to Hemet on the 74 has the worst downhill camber- love to see Jitsu do that 1
I like my brakes, they're fun. You can do stoppies ;)
why it is that whenever i need something so badly the videos comes up to me without any searching...
Thx
So do you actually do BJJ?
I use the brakes to maintain speed or slow down, no matter on my bike or car. I always see tailgaters going way too fast.
Park the bike to safe if it's off , my first lesson, don't panic
The 2 harley drivers that fell has entered the chat.......
Always remember it's cheaper and easier to replace brake pads than strip and rebuild an engine and or gearbox 🤔🏍️
Engine braking doesn't do Any damage to the engine buddy.
Finally
Want to see good downhill skills? Watch pro bicycle racers--only have brakes and body, and usually outpace the accompanying motor bikes!!
My life's been going downhill ever since I met my ex.
I've become a pro now, so this vid wasn't so helpful
The Canyon Chasers video about downhill corners is, literally, 1,000,000 better than this one
You are life saver, mine yeah! Saben i'm in tweesties you're on My head with SQUEEEZZZING THE BREAKS!! Thanks