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Maschine Plus | 60 Days Later
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- 60 day update! is the Maschine Plus any good? It it worth buying in 2022? let talk about it and let me know your thoughts in the comments!
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Bro, you CAN timestretch once you chop the sample. You must assign your chopped sample to a whole group, NOT a pad. So when you make your chops and you hit “apply”, the pad will start flashing. Don’t hit it. Press the group button instead. Now each individual chop will appear as it’s own instance of the sampler module. Now you can time stretch each slice independently. Jeff gibbons taught me this, FYI.
Yup this tactic was a game changer for me in using Maschine... The thing that still kills me though is why I can't get a time stretch/pitching experience from the sampler that I do with the AU. Seems like they have the tech to give that "serato sampler" like experience but for some reason you can only do loops or gate in the AU and you can't chop from it.
I’ve been posting this comment and using the “ideas” mode. 🥃
....chop/truncate the sample, duplicate to pad, go to duplicate, go to sample, go to edit, toggle to stretch on hardware, stretch from analyzed bpm (or appropriate bpm if you know sample bpm from source) to project bpm...
you can also always use the audio processor instead of sampler. make sure you cut any tails from sample being used.
if u set audio plugin to gate mode u can change pitch without affecting tempo. pls beware of transients tho on extreme bpm change yall.
If you slice/chop the sample, then assign the chops to an entirely new group, then each pad will be its own sample, which you can stretch as you wish.
Great video! I agree with that you said about Kontakt Instruments. If I'm understanding correctly, I think the work around to time stretching after you've assigned a sample to a pad would be to change the plug in from the sampler to the audio module. It should time stretch it from there.
Yeah datz what I thought too
Shoutout to you bro I’m a fan
@@bulletsandcaskets45 I appreciate you! 🙌🏽
@@DDS825 The Native Instruments Community is the biggest/smallest community ever lol. Shoutout to you bro, been watching you for years💯
@@Realliedoe right! Lol I appreciate that! Thank you. 🙌🏽
Good video. About export, AIFF is a lossless Apple format, WAV is PC (but also readable by Macs). MP3 is a lossy format, therefore, inferior to AIFF and WAV. Keep up the good work.
theres no MP3 export because going from Wave to MP3 actually lowers the quality. They would have to add Dithering to help with the conversion. I personally hate when i get a MP3 file cuz i know the file isn't a true representation of the music. During the conversion some of the high frequency stuff is rounded off making it not as bright. (Again getting into audio artefacts, Dithering, etc) Wanna test it? Take a Wave file, convert it and then compare the 2 sonically. The Wave will sound slightly brighter, less muddy. ALWAYS work in Wave format if given the choice as any mastering house/audio engineer would prefer the same. Yeah, the file size is smaller but u give up sonic quality. I will provide a MP3 file along with 24bit Wave to the client but NEVER just a MP3 and if given a MP3, i always ask for the Wave file. #reasongang #2cents #20yearsaudioengineering #producer #drummer
Not one beat that I ever place was in a Wav format… Zero… it’s already been proven in blind test that most people can not Distinguish the difference between a 192k mp3 sample and a 44.1k wave file.. Also, I’ve literally seen artist skip over emails where people send wav files because it takes entirely too long to download all those wav files for you to check out a beat. Me personally if I cannot listen to that beat within my email, I’m not listening to it. Nobody that I know listens to wav beats. Now, if a artist likes a particular beat I will usually send over the stems in wav format so that it can be mixed in that format and for it to be mastered in that format. But most of the times a lot of these artists will stick with the two track mix that is MP3 quality. Don’t make it hard on yourself work smarter not harder. If it sounds good, it sounds good. I’ve heard plenty of beats and Wav format that sound like crap and I’ve heard a lot of MP3 format beats that sound great.
@@BoloDaProducer Correct, the general public (Major artists/producers included) cannot tell the difference in audio quality (mofos cant even tell if a 808 is off) and I have also had artists take the MP3 file of a beat and use it to record on, get placed etc. I work with MP3's all the time cuz the person downloaded the MP3, thats all they got, etc. I remember when they would always come in with small DAT tapes 20 years ago 🤣. I simply was answering the question as to "Why NI didn't consider/provide an MP3 export".. Thats downgrading the sound hence why u have to use some sort of Dithering whenever you go to a "lower quality" audio. from 32 bit to 24 bit? Dither. 24 to 16? Dither... ANY time u go from Wave to Mp3.. Dither....u need to Dither to help with the transcoding of information, etc. During the Dithering process there is higher frequency info thats rounded off plus the fact that Wave has a higher Dynamic Range than an Mp3. 24 bit Wave is mathmetically a higher quality audio than any MP3 (at any bit rate). Statistically you are mainly hearing MP3's cuz they are (1) a common medium for the "general public" nowadays (2) Smaller -way easier to attach to a email thus shareable. Imagine how big a phones memory would have to be if it was ll still Wave files?!? :) Whenever I send a beat pack i send a ZIP file of Wave's, buts thats personal preference. All im saying is from a audio company stand point, and a guy that handles post audio. it doesnt make sense to already have a high quality Wave provided by NI and processed in some of the most pristine studios, analog gear etc and export to Mp3, thus downgrading the sound #2cents #science
@@BoloDaProducer i know you've seen the meme a picture of a girl with no make up going to done up and fine then a blurry pic etc..."mixed, master, Wave, mp3" and the Wave was clear as day and then the MP3 is hella blurry! there's truth to that. MP3 downgrades the pic/audio ;)
@@BoloDaProducer What is the difference between MP3 and WAV? MP3 files are much smaller and have been compressed so they lose some data. WAV files are usually lossless and have not been compressed, so they have more data. This means more in terms of file size, but also usually means better quality of audio and more options for editing. (audio engineers dream) Give me the Wave! lol
@@BoloDaProducer Wave and AIFF are the only 2 "lossless" audio files out there thats why they still have AIFF (Mac's audio file format) As a self proclaimed "Mixing/Mastering Engineer" we want the highest quality audio to work with "lossless". (MP3 losses info) As a producer I also want the highest quality sound. Any Dither conversion to a lesser quality audio should be last and only after mastering.
NI sounds are top notch. IMO nothing sounds as good. The workflow is pretty good, its insane how fast you can get ideas out. The arrangement needs some work, but all in all its a great tool.
The arrangement need some work for a better song mode and integration with other DAWs. I think it’s too clunky at the moment so I don’t get songs fully done . It’s great for sketching
Good review Bolo, the midi implementation for outgear is a must.
I really like Maschine. That said, I think they should have made a new standalone groove machine product instead of linking it to Maschine. It’s funny because it is more like Maschine Minus than Plus as it does a lot less than Maschine can do... especially for the asking price.
Really appreciate these updates especially from a MPC person - I too as an MPC user before I converted to Maschine. I think the critiques you have are all on point and warranted. It's not a perfect piece of hardware but at the end of the day its about what you create with it - For whatever reason I always seem to make better beats with the Maschine, so I stick with it.
Do the machine pads still feel like shit. When compared to a real MPC?
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@@I_like_turtles_67 Maschine pads feel great. It's a different response tho. Maschine pads out the box are a little more sensitive than MPC so you don't need to smack down as hard. That can be adjusted to preference, but the actual feel I think is good. To each their own but I don't notice much of a difference between the two and don't have a strong preference one way or the other
@@babysunn2 MPC Live 2 is great, no doubt. Lot's of features, great balance of size and capabilities. Can't knock it, and was not knocking MPC in my comment either. There are certainly things you can do easier with MPC than Maschine, and there are things you can do easier with Maschine than MPC. You can certainly get the true stand alone experience with the plus, and you can def record "professional" tracks too , it all comes down to your preferences and what works best for you, but relegating maschine to just home producers I think is short sighted.
@@I_like_turtles_67 Maschine pads have always felt better than the MPC pads!
To stretch the sample on a specific pad you just select the pad go into edit mode and select stretch and you can change the tempo of each pad or you can just change the pitch on the individual pad as well
I been having mine for about a year and I love it. I do my live beat sets with it.
Thank you for this very useful feedback. I am an Mk3 user myself but really would like a standalone solution to take along on trips. A bit weird that it doesn’t work that well with the S-series NI keyboard . I am sure they’ll sort that out.
Or maybe they will come with a standalone keyboard (Machine+Keys) now that AKAI has opened that battle with the MPC Key 61 :-)
If the MPC workflow wasn’t so clunky, I would jump for that device , but Maschine workflow is just massively superior in my view.
Hope to see more of your feedback on your channel . Thanks again.
0:55 congrats Fam! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Welcome to the #Maschine Family 🫶🏾🥃
I wish Maschine had ability to store different chords progressions and expanded chords sets
This is the exact point I always harp on.
Thats why i say the $5 koala app is better than a maschine or sp404. I use a $50 beatstep for pads on my tablet for the touch screen midi and sample editing. I drop real gems.
That is indeed a long standing request…
Great video Bolo, thanks. Still on the fence between Maschine + and MPC Live 2. It's nice to see you're enjoying Maschine + Oh, and I totally agree about getting a Splice account.
I wish sampler could slice by bpm like the MPC
My thoughts exactly. Love the workflow, don't like the lack of on-board plugins and export is not straightforward.
Hello great video, I’ve been using both maschine plus with Roland fa O6. They work good together.
Bolo! I hear ya! Natural sounds are missing. I don’t particularly want to hack up my own Kontakt instrument tbh.
Natural sounding piano, bass, horns, drums, they should be there!
This is why I never bought it, to begin with. I rarely use maschine anymore but I still kept my MK3 as I work a lot from the computer using Logic and some other tools and when I want to work in stand-alone/dawless I just use my MPC4K or 2KXL most of the time.
For time stretching just put into a audio loop (automatic stretch), then turn it back into a sampler and chop it.
holler at me if u live in denver. im mad fire on maschine i might be able to clear some things up on how to operate the software,
Now that the price has come down a bit, I paid £840(you work out the dollars) and with the MK3 being close to £500, I think its worth the £340/£350 extra for a much better build quality and the standalone feature. I had an MPC X but we just didn't gel, and it was too big for my workspace, BUT I do think Akai produces a more complete product. I am hoping that NI improve the plus with updates but even if they don't I am happy with mine.
If you only use with your computer (never standalone), there is zero benefit to the + model, right?
Correct
Hey Bolo, nice video! If you had a friend that had no prior experience with either MPC of Maschine workflows, and could only get one, which would you suggest they buy into?
5:37 that’s why using manual mode gives you a better starting point
Brother that was a great video I have me a mpcx that I use in the house and I just ordered the machine plus because I want to take it with me on trips and I do have a pretty good laptop and there's nothing wrong with being versatile remember a jack of all trades is a master of none but often times better than a master of one I'm new to the MPC world and why not have the best of the best and used a strength and weaknesses together and bring creativity to the table my thought
4:25 never thought of it that way 🤔 Makes sense. I wonder if you can pull your libraries from an external drive (where your sound library should be 😉)? If that’s possible, I’m selling my MK3 😁
hi.I have M + it happens to me that it is in standalone aia in vontroller as soon as I connect it to the pc from the audio outputs a very annoying hiss / noise comes out from the headphone output nothing, perfect audio. I tried them all and followed all the advice of native but nothing. can you help me? thank you. louis
Im down with maschinemk1 an mpc1 I love those machines..
Great review as usual fam💯 NI know they bogus and I still own a MK2
Bolo you ain’t told no lie about exporting in MP3 format, and the time stretch function. Especially in the software, there’s no reason the stretch function shouldn’t be easier. And I been using Maschine for years!
Why you guys prefer MP3? its inferior to WAV and has less quality.
@@MS7.7 mp3 = less hard drive space ; if I’m sending a client a track they need to be able to put it on their listening device without consuming up all their space…etc … when we are distributing to stores etc then .wav will be used
@@ZiwaHD Yeah I know that. I understand that not having the option to do so is inconvenient and I really don't understand why they don't add it.
Regarding space you are right MP3 is way smaller I don't have clients but I do have music equipment and I always like to listen to higher quality music (mostly flac) but converting every WAV to MP3 must be really annoying. I have the maschine mk3 but I use it for myself I believe it can be add via update but we never know. Also WAV doesn't support tags.
@@MS7.7 I think 🤔 they will listen 👂 but hopefully it doesn’t turn into an akai fiasco where they fix or add one thing and break a bunch of others in the software architecture 😣
dope bolo
Chop the sample.. Tap the pad u want to stretch.. scroll to stretch from the sampler edit screen .. go to stretch settings .. 🤷🏽♂️simple … that’s how u stretch individual pads AFTER u chop the sample without using the audio plug in.
Also maybe the issue is you are saving the chops to a pad vs a group? When you save to a group each individual chop is treated as its own sample and you can manipulate, add effects etc as you please.
@@nickgilday8946 Yeah i don't even understand why that isn't the default apply behaviour tbh
Does the ableton link feature work for anyone?
Man you better sell that thing
I appreciate this review because I'm considering either the MPC or the Machine Mikro
Gone and grab the MPC One and stop playin 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The main reason I didn't like Maschine is because of many of the things you said about midi, which I found out when I tried to use it with hardware a while ago. As of right now, Maschine is not the best tool for sequencing external hardware. That's where the MPC wins......"MIDI Production Center."
Just started with an mk3. U are correct the sounds are awesome but there are zero natural sounds. It does, however have an abundance of sounds for edm. Making any dance or edm track is awesome. But it lacks when it comes to hiphop rap ttap. Granted it does have 808 one shots. They are pretty bland and generic. Maschine seems to be catered more towards electronic music producers. 🎶 just an opinion not trying to Convert anybody.
Facts. Still love making beats on it though ;)
Don't really use stock sounds though so doesn't matter like it might to some depending on genre. But yeah you're right it's definitely less hip hop more trap, edm, modern R&B flavoured if you're using presets at all
Assign your samples to the group instead of the pad and you can time stretch lol.
This is the key
6:15 you can also use detect mode
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good observations
I’ve been an on and off Maschine user since mk2 and historically they as a company have been notoriously bad about not listening to feedback or long standing requests. Sucks cause the Maschine is probably one of the most fun ways to make beats but the beats never make it all the way because of lacking features.
Waitin for you to review the mpc key and compare the sounds to the fantom
See I like how machine can plug a usb up for power.
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I think as far as just overall reach of what it can do spec wise is certainly what standalone units should strive for. I choose Maschine knowing there are certain things im gonna wish I had haha, but the workflow and built in sounds I think are just better and I tend to make better music with the Maschine. But yea the live 2 is a beast and AKAI is killing it with the updates. It def makes me a little self conscious about Maschine now and then, but I got faith they got some good stuff coming
@@nickgilday8946 I Always Hear Great things About The Sounds of Native Instr... But C'mon Mannn, A True Producer Will Not Just Sit On Whatever Basic Sounds Thats Delivered... We Gonna Distort the Shit out Of Them Sounds... We Consumers are Tired Of That Super Clean Sound, Its To STERILE... That's Why The MPC Is Killing it In The Game Because Its Expansion Packs and Its Design are both set Up For Gritty Big Sounds.... The HIT MAKERS!...But If You Into Classical Music or Orchestra Music, then The Machine is For YOU... I Choose The HIP HOP Style... Its Where The Big BUCKS ARE.
@@babysunn2 It's pretty clear to me you have heard about the sounds but have you actually HEARD them? I make hip hop beats and initially switched to Maschine BECAUSE they have amazing drums for boom bap, nice and gritty and yes we all will manipulate and layer to give it extra grit or character. There is a reason producers like 9th wonder, havoc, Khrysis and many more use maschine as their primary. Not trying to get in a pissing match but also can't let people spread false narrative. I'm sure your making big bucks, you aint none of the above producers either tho. Gotta give all equipments its due respect cuz otherwise you might be missing out on ways to improve your own craft too.
@@nickgilday8946 Not A Pissing Match and I Hear You, However I'm Not Rich For California Standard's But i Have A Decent Paying 40 Hour Per Week Job That I actually Like... That Being Said The Person Who Help Me Figure Out Most Of My Setup Issues Is A Coworker Who Uses Machine and FL Studio 11... I Can't Even Get Him To Upgrade To 20.9, Lol...He Plays His Work To Me as I Play Mines to Him. He's More Advanced than Me Full Spectrum but He's Amazed At My Quick Comprehension of The MPC Format. Up until 2 Years Ago I Was Only FL 20 but When The MPC Live 2 Came Along, Mannnn All The Bells and Whistles Came On... His Beats Are Full And Clean and Very Professional Sounding But They Sound Like Everybody Else's Tracks That's Out there... Minds (MPC) Just Sounds Different, Plus They say (including Him) That I Found A Unique Sound and Style of My Own... All I Have To Do Is Get Better At The Mastering Area's and That's Where I'm At Today... I'm A Armature But i Have A Professional Ear... So With all My Musical Artillery's, iT's A No Brainer...I'm Chasing That Professionalism Because That way GOOD Money Will Be Made Cause We All Want Big Bucks But That's Not My Driving Force... The MPC Platform Is My Driving Force... I Love The Touch Screen Setup Wit Those Buttons. 😁
@@babysunn2 I'm glad that everything clicks with MPC and great to hear you are loving the experience. Similarly I have a full-time job too and music is more a passion than profession. While you can get the cleaner sound with Maschine, there are sound options to give the overall track a grittyness similar to old school samplers too. I wonder if maybe that's what your referring to. Either way, the gritty, grimey whatever you want to call it is def something you get with maschine which was more my point... MPC works best for you, so stick with it! Hopefully we'll be hearing some babysunn beats on the radio sooner rather than later!
For me I dont get the need for a standalone drum machine sampler, when the bulk of real production is done in studios where you have access to massive cpu power from the latest computers and all the sounds from plugins and hardware instruments and fx to properly produce your records. To each his own tho. I guess people just want toys they can play around with.
Many people want the flexibility to be able to start a sketch of music when the inspiration comes, anywhere, without the need to hook up to a computer. You can always finish it up on the software or in the studio, but getting down a quick sketch before you lose the idea is also important.
@@femmy820 you do realise Bolo was complaining about not having fully featured instruments like kontakt in standalone mode. Im like you are in the studio just hook it up and work off ya computer. How hard is that?
@@femmy820 on top there are apps like impc and imaschine, cubasis etc that can be used to quickly capture ideas on a phone for later embellishment in the studio.
@@kwameeyiah I was talking in general terms and not specifically about Bolo. Also there are times when you are in the studio, but will prefer to do many things straight from the hardware and not look at the computer screen or use a mouse, because it is just faster that way.
@@kwameeyiah Using an app is different. I am talking of starting a rough sketch in the hardware and saving it, and then further develop it later using the software.
Please show us Big Dog How to use this joint!!!!
But the CPU sucks tell them that. Cant get pass 4 groups with out it spiking to 100%
My Korg Krome from 2012 had a touchscreen on the workstation! 10 years later, Maschine did not implement it on their products. That is without excuse!
I dunno. I hear you. But most people who start using maschine, including Bolo, will tell you that they barely felt the need for the touch pad. I like the idea that I don't have to worry about the screen getting messed up and touch functions not working as well (long term). That being said its not like id be mad if NI added a touch screen in future models haha
Everything doesnt need a touchscreen.
@@RnBGarvey lol thank you. If you use the system you’ll see that touch reslly isnt needed
It's Diffently not needed.... It will just make price higher for no reason
@@DJMISTERRIPPER I also feel knobs allow you to get more precise a lot easier... I'm sure there is a happy blend of touch screen and knob - for example, it would be nice to get a way to zoom in a few via touch or swap between plugins etc.
I wish I could export an mp3 and bluetooth it to my phone... The M+ has bluetooth but doesn't seem to do much.
He said MP3😫😫😫
Oh yeah no mp3 is ignoring as hell
Annoying* 🤣 what u smoking bro bro
Bro , MP3 is an inferior format to wav or iff and that why is not inlcuded, you ask who use it? well people that likes high quality music !!!!!
Nobody is emailing Wav and nobody is definitely not emailing AIFF files. They done several blind test and 192kbps Mp3 sound dang near just as good as a Wav file.
Its not a solid product with the weak CPU
we all know that gear is wack do sell out for chips bro luv bolo but we all know machine is bs I got one can't even sell it ... trash