I’m guessing she can’t speak on any of this without getting sued by Gaiman. I would bet that their divorce agreement allowed her to keep their son in exchange for her silence.
@@intrepidabsurdist they're in the middle of a nasty custody and divorce battle that has sent her broke reportedly. She moved back in with her parents in the US.
If she signed such a divorce agreement, that's on her. It seems she enabled this kind of behaviour for years and didn't warn the women, and that's on her. If she would have made this public, I think it wouldn't have been difficult to keep their son. If all of the allegations are confirmed, who in their right mind would want the guy ever to be in contact eith his son again?
divorce settlements and non disclosure agreements don't cover crimes, so she would legally be allowed to discuss the criminal aspects of his behavior. however I agree in that it wouldn't preclude him from punishing her financially. as others pointed out, she moved in with her parents not long ago
@@Lothiril I agree! Neither one of them deserves to be parents. Neil is worse, but she wouldn’t win any Mother Of The Year awards either. She knew what kind of monster her sons father was but didn’t protect him from seeing Neil’s abusive behavior acted out right in front of their son. When your a parent that has raised their own children, this hits different. I can’t imagine what their son has went through but I can just about guarantee he’s seen some awful shit from his father, while mom just turned a blind eye. Neil doesn’t seemed to be to concerned about hiding it from him when he’s abusing the his nanny right in front of him in a hotel room. It’s sickening and the trauma this poor child is going to suffer is heartbreaking. All because of both his parents. The two people in his life that should be protecting him from this kind of deplorable behavior, at all cost. Can you imagine what he’s going to grow up thinking about how women are treated with the influence he’s seen from his father?? It’s going to effect every relationship he ever has in the future. You don’t have to be a parent to know how horribly fucked up this all is, but when you are, you think, what would I do to protect my children from a monster like this? I wouldn’t even have to ask myself this question, I would just react immediately. The answer is anything I’d fucking have to.
Geez! He is the perpetrator--- why go after her? Who knows what she was dealing with at home? She also has a little boy she's probably trying to shield from all of this.
One of his abusers ( a fan Amanda was having a sexual relationship with) stated that Amanda knew about his behavior and basically groomed her for Neil. Says that “she handed me over to him”. She was fully aware and did nothing to stop it, she actually made it possible for him to abuse this person. Predators prey on vulnerable people.
Hmmm. A man is abusive, gets outed, and the immediate reaction is to blame his ex wife? Consider: she LEFT. And, she has a child with him, maybe she isn’t publicly talking about the father of her child to protect her child, not her own reputation. Also, NG is a very rich and influential dude. He very likely has leveraged her silence. But basically: let’s blame harmful men for the harm they cause.
The victim reportedly told her that some of the non con acts were done in full view of their son. AP told the victim that she was one of 15 that had come to her. I have adored Amanda for decades but after the allegations about the son not only being in the room but also using similar language to NG about the nanny is true and she still shared custody arrangements with him instead of going to the authorities then yeah, she's helped enable his behaviour. But according to the article, the custody and divorce proceedings have sent her broke and she has had to move in with her parents in the US. We have to hold him accountable but we should also question why the people who knew about this before it came to light have never lifted a finger to stop further people being harmed. Especially her own child.
@@leahw2124 ok, and that harm to his kid was initiated and perpetrated ALSO by NG! I don’t believe AP would participate in harming/r*ping women for a second, but watch it while people dogpile on her. If you don’t think her career is going to be ruined, her kid in therapy, and a million ways she will pay for everything he did, you’re dreaming. And him? He’ll lose work for a couple years and then there’ll be a book and a comeback and he will go on. I mean, they can r*pe women in the US and be elected president. They can r*pe and traffic women and make millions, get house arrest, keep on doing it, and sell courses to other sick incel f*cks on how to do it. I refuse to blame anyone but NG for NG’s violence. Maybe we can blame his mum and his granny next for not raising him right? Men need to be held accountable for their own violence.
@@leahw2124 We don't know exactly how it went..from my understanding Amanda was only told he made a pass. Besides. .while Amanda was living with me she may have had to keep herself safe. We should really wait for the whole story before passing judgement
I don't see what this has to do with Amanda Palmer. She's complicit because one of the accuser supposedly told her and she suggested he needed therapy? If that even happened, I don't see how that makes her complicit in anything. Lots of accusations of complicity, zero proof. Even If these allegations against Gaiman are true, it makes him a scumbag, but going after his ex-wife for his misconduct is ridiculous.
@Brendo2186 she introduced him to multiple victims, likely knowing what he would do. One victim said she felt that Palmer "gave her to him as a present". Another said Palmer told Gaiman he "wasn't allowed to hurt her" before introducing them but did nothing beyond that to prevent the resulting assault.
@@PartAwesome there is some conflation going on here - yes one woman said Amanda ‘gave her to NG’ but that woman never said that their sex was non consensual. So while I certainly think it’s icky for a couple to share a partner, we can’t quite say from this that AP was feeding NG victims. I’m not saying she wasn’t extremely negligent, but if the victims she heard from told her it wasn’t rape, I think she would be more concerned that her son was in the room rather than at the act itself. We can’t know what she was thinking, but we should be careful about the conclusions we are drawing about someone who was probably one of his victims too.
So Amanda Palmer stands accused of aiding and abetting but what was she doing in the first place with a Gaiman ?? Thank you very much and enjoy your afternoon ☺️☺️
partially, but it does have the feeling that she married him in the first place more to further her own career and she did be mainly lip service to scarlett vs trying to actively help, as well as he had done this before with another woman who lived on their land back in NY State, and yet they didnt do much.
She sent women to him and then didn't pay them, making them fully reliant on her/him. The victim also told her directly that a few ass*aults happened in front of their child and she still continued to share custody and hire young women to nanny their child. It's definitely not on her shoulders solely, but you can't warn your creepy husband not to assau*t women while you leave him and your son alone with a young vulnerable woman (who hadn't been paid by either of them and was very reliant on them) and expect nothing to happen. The victim stated NG was warned by AP not to harm this particular nanny because she was "fragile" but still left her and her child with him. It's not to over shadow his deplorable actions. But its way outside the scope of who she has portrayed herself over the years to do that type of thing so people are naturally going wtf.
@@leahw2124 sadly you nailed it. It absolutely is about Neil and his representable behavior but for Amanda in any way to know this stuff and let her kid be around it? Ugh then let a somewhat fragile young woman into the crosshairs, telling Neil to leave her alone -? bad mojo. And precisely it’s bad for the reason you say …it goes counter to her many comments about how people should treat each other and her public image as anti-abuse progressive feminist
I’m guessing she can’t speak on any of this without getting sued by Gaiman. I would bet that their divorce agreement allowed her to keep their son in exchange for her silence.
@@intrepidabsurdist they're in the middle of a nasty custody and divorce battle that has sent her broke reportedly. She moved back in with her parents in the US.
If she signed such a divorce agreement, that's on her. It seems she enabled this kind of behaviour for years and didn't warn the women, and that's on her.
If she would have made this public, I think it wouldn't have been difficult to keep their son. If all of the allegations are confirmed, who in their right mind would want the guy ever to be in contact eith his son again?
divorce settlements and non disclosure agreements don't cover crimes, so she would legally be allowed to discuss the criminal aspects of his behavior. however I agree in that it wouldn't preclude him from punishing her financially. as others pointed out, she moved in with her parents not long ago
@@Lothiril I agree! Neither one of them deserves to be parents. Neil is worse, but she wouldn’t win any Mother Of The Year awards either. She knew what kind of monster her sons father was but didn’t protect him from seeing Neil’s abusive behavior acted out right in front of their son. When your a parent that has raised their own children, this hits different. I can’t imagine what their son has went through but I can just about guarantee he’s seen some awful shit from his father, while mom just turned a blind eye. Neil doesn’t seemed to be to concerned about hiding it from him when he’s abusing the his nanny right in front of him in a hotel room. It’s sickening and the trauma this poor child is going to suffer is heartbreaking. All because of both his parents. The two people in his life that should be protecting him from this kind of deplorable behavior, at all cost. Can you imagine what he’s going to grow up thinking about how women are treated with the influence he’s seen from his father?? It’s going to effect every relationship he ever has in the future. You don’t have to be a parent to know how horribly fucked up this all is, but when you are, you think, what would I do to protect my children from a monster like this? I wouldn’t even have to ask myself this question, I would just react immediately. The answer is anything I’d fucking have to.
No one on here knows the truth. All of this is alleged. It is cruel to make accusations that you know nothing about.
Geez! He is the perpetrator--- why go after her? Who knows what she was dealing with at home? She also has a little boy she's probably trying to shield from all of this.
One of his abusers ( a fan Amanda was having a sexual relationship with) stated that Amanda knew about his behavior and basically groomed her for Neil. Says that “she handed me over to him”. She was fully aware and did nothing to stop it, she actually made it possible for him to abuse this person. Predators prey on vulnerable people.
@@Tenwii Read the Vulture article.
Hmmm.
A man is abusive, gets outed, and the immediate reaction is to blame his ex wife?
Consider: she LEFT.
And, she has a child with him, maybe she isn’t publicly talking about the father of her child to protect her child, not her own reputation.
Also, NG is a very rich and influential dude. He very likely has leveraged her silence.
But basically: let’s blame harmful men for the harm they cause.
The victim reportedly told her that some of the non con acts were done in full view of their son.
AP told the victim that she was one of 15 that had come to her.
I have adored Amanda for decades but after the allegations about the son not only being in the room but also using similar language to NG about the nanny is true and she still shared custody arrangements with him instead of going to the authorities then yeah, she's helped enable his behaviour.
But according to the article, the custody and divorce proceedings have sent her broke and she has had to move in with her parents in the US.
We have to hold him accountable but we should also question why the people who knew about this before it came to light have never lifted a finger to stop further people being harmed. Especially her own child.
@@leahw2124 ok, and that harm to his kid was initiated and perpetrated ALSO by NG!
I don’t believe AP would participate in harming/r*ping women for a second, but watch it while people dogpile on her.
If you don’t think her career is going to be ruined, her kid in therapy, and a million ways she will pay for everything he did, you’re dreaming. And him? He’ll lose work for a couple years and then there’ll be a book and a comeback and he will go on.
I mean, they can r*pe women in the US and be elected president.
They can r*pe and traffic women and make millions, get house arrest, keep on doing it, and sell courses to other sick incel f*cks on how to do it.
I refuse to blame anyone but NG for NG’s violence.
Maybe we can blame his mum and his granny next for not raising him right?
Men need to be held accountable for their own violence.
@@leahw2124 We don't know exactly how it went..from my understanding Amanda was only told he made a pass. Besides.
.while Amanda was living with me she may have had to keep herself safe. We should really wait for the whole story before passing judgement
zzzzz women are never complicit in the abuse of other women zzzzz
I don't see what this has to do with Amanda Palmer. She's complicit because one of the accuser supposedly told her and she suggested he needed therapy? If that even happened, I don't see how that makes her complicit in anything. Lots of accusations of complicity, zero proof. Even If these allegations against Gaiman are true, it makes him a scumbag, but going after his ex-wife for his misconduct is ridiculous.
@@Brendo2186 she's complicit because she knew Gaiman was a rapist and still sent Scarlet to him
@Brendo2186 she introduced him to multiple victims, likely knowing what he would do. One victim said she felt that Palmer "gave her to him as a present". Another said Palmer told Gaiman he "wasn't allowed to hurt her" before introducing them but did nothing beyond that to prevent the resulting assault.
@@PartAwesome there is some conflation going on here - yes one woman said Amanda ‘gave her to NG’ but that woman never said that their sex was non consensual. So while I certainly think it’s icky for a couple to share a partner, we can’t quite say from this that AP was feeding NG victims. I’m not saying she wasn’t extremely negligent, but if the victims she heard from told her it wasn’t rape, I think she would be more concerned that her son was in the room rather than at the act itself. We can’t know what she was thinking, but we should be careful about the conclusions we are drawing about someone who was probably one of his victims too.
@@intrepidabsurdist that woman was 22 years old!! Neil was 61. Who in their right mind would give such a young person to such an old fart?
@@Sadie-e4t I agree it’s gross, but there is a difference between what is gross and what is rape.
It’s always the unfathomable weird, bad-taste brows…
Don't blame her for his shitty behavior.
i blame her for her own shitty behavior.
So Amanda Palmer stands accused of aiding and abetting but what was she doing in
the first place with a Gaiman ??
Thank you very much and enjoy your afternoon ☺️☺️
duh, she's shit herself, but i do think she may also be a victim here, too.
partially, but it does have the feeling that she married him in the first place more to further her own career and she did be mainly lip service to scarlett vs trying to actively help, as well as he had done this before with another woman who lived on their land back in NY State, and yet they didnt do much.
hahahahaha every time man its hilarious, always justifying women's actions even if they were atrocious, simp
She told the babysitter that 14 women had come to her about his sa previously. Read the New York Magazine article. If you can stomach it.
Why is this now about her like WTF
because she's part of it. She sent women to Gaiman.
She sent women to him and then didn't pay them, making them fully reliant on her/him.
The victim also told her directly that a few ass*aults happened in front of their child and she still continued to share custody and hire young women to nanny their child.
It's definitely not on her shoulders solely, but you can't warn your creepy husband not to assau*t women while you leave him and your son alone with a young vulnerable woman (who hadn't been paid by either of them and was very reliant on them) and expect nothing to happen.
The victim stated NG was warned by AP not to harm this particular nanny because she was "fragile" but still left her and her child with him.
It's not to over shadow his deplorable actions. But its way outside the scope of who she has portrayed herself over the years to do that type of thing so people are naturally going wtf.
@@leahw2124 sadly you nailed it. It absolutely is about Neil and his representable behavior
but for Amanda in any way to know this stuff and let her kid be around it? Ugh
then let a somewhat fragile young woman into the crosshairs, telling Neil to leave her alone -? bad mojo.
And precisely it’s bad for the reason you say …it goes counter to her many comments about how people should treat each other and her public image as anti-abuse progressive feminist
@@JayRose1000 you don't know that.
@@brendashenda4249 She wrote a damn song about it.