@@oilhanm-a4893 I dont like calling them female. Cosmetically yes but physically its such bullshit to actual female competitors who busted their asses for years to get to that level just to have someone playing on current politics cheat their way in!
the jordan’s were never actually banned, they took on that slogan as a marketing tactic after being widely mistaken for another shoe that was actually banned
@@drbosommd Daaaaamn...that's flyin'!! I definitely gotta get me a pair then. If they got you down to a mind blowing 41.50...then I'm sold. I've been battling for months, trying to crack the coveted 42.98 spot...to no avail. Do you think there's a possibility they could make me TOO fast though? Like, will I be running and not be able to stop??
@@RILEYLEIFSON_UTAH its entirely possible you may not be able to stop. Depending on your height and weight . Just be careful about pushing too hard at before you are accustomed too the speed increase.
@@drbosommd Would you recommend some sort of safety parachute, that I could deploy after the finish line then? I'm thinking something akin to what they use on Top-Fuel dragsters, ya know? I should probably look into that...
@@DjoXey that will devastate the running world honestly . It’s a false reality tho these athletes with these spikes can’t actually run that fast . They literally have a propulsion mechanism built into their shoe it’s crazy talk .
You should get them if you run a lot, you wont feel so tired, you will start running a lot more, and the impact on the ground is a lot more absorbed which is good for your joints and bones.
They do put as much effort into anti doping. They go to about as many lengths as they are able to. Enough that some athletes who most likely aren’t even doping receive violations. That doesn’t mean they catch everyone, but there’s only so much they can do.
If this shoe is controversial, people should look at olympic bows. They look more like a piece of engineering art than something you shoot an arrow out of.
or you can just go to a crossbow competition. there's different categories for different types of equipment. maybe running should do the same thing lol
So many sports have this dilemma, especially Motorsport where a drivers ability and technology go hand in hand… It’s only natural that things get more efficient and better over time
As an archer this is very true, the biggest thing being that the bow doesn't aim itself, the person does. The bow can only get the arrow to where the archer was aiming better. So if the archer shoots a bad shot, it will still go in the same place. The same goes for these shoes, they only give back what the runner puts in. If a technology is available to all and isn't dangerous, then how is it unfair or cheating?
Is strapping rockets to roller skates acceptable? No, because that's where we drew the line. Likewise, having a spring on the underside of your shoe is crossing a line
@@MarshaIIs Strapping rockets to skates is not cool because we don't have technollogy to transform that in a real thing... imagine if skate tricks were 3 times higher or 8 times faster... Skate as we know would be extinct... it's just a matter of time, things change and that's the true...
There's need a line to be drawn, otherwise in some +20 years into the future, sportsmen will be cutting their legs to replace them with metal bionic something for faster speed. And it is a real concern because that will happen as technology for artificial limbs keeps progressing.
Almost every shoe ever worn since the first running shoe was worn has been an improvement on its previous version. This one just has a larger gap in technology than those before it. This is nothing new. Its always happened.
exactly. if they never wanted innovation to give athletes an advantage they shouldnt allow any clothing to be worn like in the ancient greek olympic times
@@MrSoso1050 thats why there is a federation in charge of setting rules and regulations. Like any other sport. All sports have regulations on the gear allowed to be used. from ping ping to nascar and track.
If they are worried about the integrity or “fairness” they should have a designated standard shoe all runners use Even amazing athletes like Usain Bolt could not have achieved his records without the progress of shoe and track technology
This video is basically saying is it fair for others if another Usain Comes and eventually 1 will come they always do and they meet those shoes🤔😐 do you know how fast that is......like people forget Usain in that video was running so fast that he didn't even run through the Line! He looked to the side imagine if he did its lower then 9.58. Its probably 9.3. So imagine another Usain with those shoes possibly going under 9 or at 9 exactly pretty scary but amazing
I can see why it may be issues its about integrity and respect of the sport itself....but i say they should be allowed just if they're allowed they are forced to all wear Nike which is probably what Nike wants anyway....so in that case if im commissioner i wouldn't allow it unless Nike releases Patents for shoe tech in running to their competitors Puma and Adidas
@@fqre9200 Tracks used to be dirt and shoes were much different from today. It's difficult to determine if someone running the 100m 50 years ago would be able to do with today's shoes. That said, I think a lot of the gains made through time come from better training methods.
@@SkyraXD bolt not looking left/right wont cut his timing down by 0.28s bro lol espc @ the kind of max vel speeds they’re running at. For reference at max vels they’re running @ almost 10m/0.8-0.85s for you to say it’d be 9.3s means you’re insinuating he’d be about 4-5m infront of his current wr run if he didnt turn his head.
Nah, where do you draw the line? What if they all start wearing those spring loaded stilts (and when is something considered a stilt)? Even normal people can achieve world record speeds on those... It's very good to draw a specific line on what's allowed. Just as it is with doping.
@@WBSband they should use the same regulations as cycling. You can pick the color and it can make whatever sound you want but it better weight X amount of kg’s and have only x amount of gears. Another way of putting this is every one has to wear basically padded flats with standardized trim.I’m a little worried about stifling innovation though,what do you think.
What about old record holders that have theiregacies tarnished? And what about poor athletes as well? Sport should be less focused on technology and more so on athletic ability and technique
This argument can be applied to just about every sport. The bows and arrows archers use, the gloves that wide receivers wear, and ski's for any winter olympic sport. They all improve year after year. Heck I'm surprised olympic swimmers don't spray themselves down with Rain-X before jumping into the water.
I agree Jackson T. Approved equipment is approved equipment and everyone has the opportunity to use it. On the other hand drugs are individualized so I understand why those are controlled in competition.
@@vichs8457 advancement happens in every field it’s like saying a cars top speed record couldn’t be allowed because older cars didn’t have modern engines
@@vichs8457 Yea but what about the people before them, and the people before them, and the people before them. Every single leap in human achievement comes along with improvements in diet, nutrition, training, equipment, and the setting they happen in. Unless you want everybody to run with scraps on barefoot, then understand the evolution of time
It's not fair, is like losing against someone that had somethig you didnt have in an exam, like having Elon Musk neuron chip that let's you search for stuff during the exam while you couldnt because you didnt know about this or couldnt afford it
I think getting mad at Nike for making new shoes that are overall better than the competition is like getting mad at tire companies for producing newer more grippy materials.
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 I do agree that there should be boundaries that shouldn't be crossed, if it were up to me I think they should have a cap on how much money it costs to make the shoes, kind of like what they do with F1 racing now, Mercedes would spend almost twice as much as the competition which made them much more powerful, but I do still think that a little bit of creative ingenuity is required to keep the sport interesting along with helping runners perform
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 these people are world class athletes their backed by major companies where money is not an issue As for getting to this state I understand how this could be a problem in more ameture scenes but for the very top I see no problem with these new shoes
@@mahoganywood6468 Motorsport and running might be two completley different types of sports but you can still draw parallels. F1 is the pinacle of motorsports where you will find the most inovative technology, teams have people going through the rule books just to find loopholes to gain that extra tenth of a second on their competition. What Nike are doing is the exact same thing. They've been putting a lot of resources into the development of these shoes so that their athletes can win as that hopefully in the long run will generate more sales of Nike goods. Are the shoes an unfair advantage? Perhaps. Based on what is said in the video runners with these Nike shoes have an advantage over runners using shoes of a different brand but there is also nothing stopping the other brands like Adidas to develop similar shoes. Inovation is a part of sports nowadays and it shouldn't be banned unless it has the potential to seriously harm the athletes.
This is exactly like when F1 bans every new technology or design that adds too much of an advantage. At some point we're just gonna have to both high performance top tech races and traditional simple tech races in parallel.
Running hasn't primarily been a tech sport, historically it's been cheap and affordable. Imagine if prosphetics meant non-amputees could not win championships. The sport in F1 is all about engineers exploiting to the limit the rules and top drivers manoeuvring themselves into the best cars.
No, it's not like F1. Runners can just go into a store and get the best shoes. Another F1 team can't go to a random car mechanic and just get a DAS system off the shelf.
Technology in F1 has long passed the point where the bottleneck is no longer the vehicle, but the human controlling it. G forces and speeds are simply too high with the advances in power, downforce and ground effects.
@@javierrivas4645 Do you know that most of the high jump athletes sponsored by nike do not wear nike shoes? Look at Mutaz Barshim, he wears Asics since he was a junior athlete, and nike didn't want to cause a disadvantage by forcing him to wear their shoes. Solution? They gave him a shoe cover with the swoosh so he coud jump with whatever he wants to jump while showcasing the brand. If the sponsor can't match up the requirements of the technology, then check for other options instead of blaming the technology.
It’s almost like saying the technology of clothes, shoes, and shorts have been breaking world records. Technology is a part of the process. Imagine if things did not change in Marathon running, people would still be naked running in sandals or barefoot.
@Paul B What toes the line? All of these innovations allow the athlete to perform better, not outright cheat. Innovation in anything allows for a better performance, so unless you want everybody to have around the same times, understand the improvement in capabilities of the athlete
@@Cody8P A record gets destroyed if it’s cheating or if it’s an unfair advatange one group has over another. But if it’s the same tool that everyone in the competition has access to, it’s fair
I feel like increases in technology have always been a part of the advancement in sports. In order to be a better pitcher, a better batter, a better golfer, a better tennis player, etc, etc, etc, there has always been a push for the furtherment of the underlying technology with which the game is played. If this shoe's design is capable of single-handedly advancing it's wearer's time by .05 or .1 seconds then it should be used by everyone. The same way olympic archers use insanely teched out bows and such. As long as athletes have the choice to wear it or not, it doesn't really matter to me.
The only (admittedly minor) reason is economical bias, if a person can afford advantages shoes early in their career, it'll definitely give them an advantage in their career
Broooo track shoes are fire. Mainly because iaaf and usatf have really stringent uniform rules and do not allow for many accessories if any. Then uniforms have regulations on logo sizes. So shoes are where people show off. At the Beijing olympics, nike did those bright yellow shows that got everyone's attention and was a way to show who was sponsored by Nike without breaking the rules
I trained swimming competitively from 2009-2017. Until 2010, the winner was decided by swimsuits. Swimmers who could afford the full-body suits would swim up to 3 seconds faster than in speedos on a 55 second race. Swim caps and swim glasses also shave off milliseconds. The year that FINA banned men's swimsuits that go above the bellybutton and over the knees was followed by 3 years of no new records.
Notice how 3 years later someone broke the record without using the gear that was set by someone in gear? That means athletes just get better, with or without advanced tech
@@changedpace9169 That's objectively wrong. Training supplements, steroids, various medications now are far more potent than what was available when the records were established.
@@LeonBelmont1000 okay? So it’s objectively wrong to say people live longer now than they did 300 years ago, since our medication and steroids got better? You sound dumb
2200 Every athlete must be from the same genetic pods with same DNA, Same nutrition plan and must have lived exactly the same life and have exactly the same experiences.
I agree! Embrace innovation. Tech is light years better than it was say 100 years ago. The problem isn’t the runners’ issue, it’s the issue of the manufacturers. Does Adidas or New Balance have great minds that can create a competitive enough product to present an advantage? I think so, but they’re not there yet.
@@cedalege even better chop the limbs off, replace them with a robotic parts, then innovative more by adding wheels with twin turbo LS1 engine, then replace that with just the human head attached to a mech robot with jet propulsion... Everything has limits, moderation applies to many things in life. An atheltes feats should only be measured and benchmarked by their human capabilities. If you add technology its not a measure of humanly limits but it's measure of tools capability. When it comes to sports, don't be a tool, be a man.
Is training fair only if everyone has the same? If eating well fair only if everyone eats the same food? The way i see it, the only criteria for banning it should be safety. Will the shoe kill or harm you? No, its fine. Will EPO kill or harm you? yeah it might, ban it (or keep the testing limmits in safe zone).
All shoe brands do this because it’s a rule. If one athlete is using those shoes, there has to be a pair available for any athlete who’s competing with them. If not, they can’t wear the shoe during competition.
@@wilson4180 Why would there had to be shoe for everyone. Not everyone has same conditions, same resources, same training, or genes and talents. Is that shoe a shoe (and not roller skates) and is it safe should be the only criteria for shoes.
@@brianrichards782 Yeah that is definitely true, but it's the same with all sports, take soccer for example, where you now days have star players racking up tons of goals every season which perhaps wasn't possible before with the way soccer was back in the day. Perhaps not the best example but i think it's not a specific issue for sports that include running, rather a problem with sports records and new tech in general.
@@ABONGA71 I see what you're getting at u I think k basketball is a better example. U can argue that before the 3 point line was added players didn't have that choice to score more and after it was added players had another option to get tons of points fast
OK, that is true and I would agree with that. However, how will Usain Blot feel when his World Record is smashed by another Sprinter who is using shoes with technology in them that HE did not have access to when he was competing? Again, as long as ever runner has access to the same gear, technology, shoes, etc., I am fine with that. Innovation will enhance the Sport. Yet, it's the Records and Races that are already set, and some have been standing Records for DECADES!!! Is it fair to watch those Records get obliterated, not so much by better Athletes, but by far superior Technology?!?
@@williamherman9065 I would argue that athletes have gotten better as well, not saying all athletes but most sports have way tougher competition nowadays compared to the past. And to be fair, having your world record smashed would probably suck but so will all world records be at one point or another. Innovation is inevitable and to me it seems counterproductive to argue against innovation for that reason.
It would be interesting to see the sport divided in 2 categories. 1. equal ground, basically what we have now but maybe a little stricter. 2. pushing boundaries, everything is fair play, steroids, fancy shoes, formation running, everything to get a human from one place to the other as fast as possible. Of course there will be rules against electronics and certain drugs for the safety of the athletes, but we have sports where we punch each other in the face for competition so if they don't get a heart attack on the track it is fine by me.
@@chawza8402 totally on the table, though because it would need at least a year of physical therapy after the operation I doubt a lot of people would take that risk.
"rules against electronics and ceirtan drugs" And yet no mention of mechanical propellants, I see this as a *great* idea: Jetpacks, some sort of reverse windmill, basic cars even
Will Usain Bolt’s legacy ever be forgotten? Even if his record IS broken? I think not. Just like how, to this day, Jesse Owens is one of the best track athletes to ever walk this Earth... despite running on dirt tracks and not having the shoe innovation we have today.
I guess the problem is revolution vs evolution. No one cares if an athelete 50 years ago is eclipsed but when the fastest man to have ever lived Usain Bolt is to be eclipsed by clearly an inferior athlete after only a few years it creates ethical issues. In an evolution we can chalk it up to nutrition + technology + track, but when the step change is radical it threatens the sport's integrity just like he said.
i once owned such shoes, and i can tell you with 100% certitude that it definetly DOES make you A LOT faster when running even short distances, it feels like your feet are always ahead of your center of mass, making you fast asfk
Feet ahead of centre of mass = shin splint waiting to happen lol. These kinds of shoes should exclusively be worn for races. You increase your risk of injury for speed.
If it helps preserve the athlete's health and joints, BUT gives unfair performance advantage - then I say give it to everyone - no exception, but also let other companies create similar shoes. Monopolies never turn out good in the long run.
But it is available to everyone. You can buy it at a store. Even sponsored runners have access to it. If it matters that much, then just break the contract and wear the shoe, and win. Consequences be damned. They have a choice to wear it, and they chose not to. Simple as that. The field is equal.
There’s a interesting Ted talk called “Are athletes really getting faster, better, stronger?” Where he talks about the innovation in technology and how it correlated with sporting achievements. For example if we look at Jesse Owens 10.2 second 100m sprint from 1936, where he ran on wood cinders(soft surface stole a lot of energy when running), and if he ran on the same surface as Usain bolt with the starting block and specialised running surface then his time would have been a lot more competitive to today’s time
I think its a shame the legendary performances of Usain Bolt and the others might get overtaken through better technology, but that's only because I would want to see how Usain Bolt would've done with these shoes on, how much faster could he have been. Anyway, my point is that innovation should be rewarded. The newer generations will always have various advantages over previous generations. Better diets, nutrition supplements, workout environments...they're all just gonna get better as people's understanding of them increase. You can't stop progress.
It's obviously not a black and white issue. Of course they don't want people wearing some propulsion rocket booster shoe, but they also aren't forcing people to run barefoot. So clearly there must be a middle ground they can agree on. Because it is without question that the whole point of shoes (or any athletic equipment) is to improve performance. We are well past safety and basic function, so it's all about the equipment making the athlete better at this point. They also shouldn't get too caught up in the context of history and records, because it is utterly useless to try create this imaginary fairytale where every athlete who ever lived is competing in the same time and place and under the same conditions.
Exactly! "It makes runners too fast" just isn´t a good reason in my opinion. It´s still a passive tech, just as the carbon inser was a passive tech. Also it´s not like the shoe is like 4 million dollars or destroys your body like doping. Everyone can just buy one and every other manufacturer can just design an equal one and then it´s an equal playin field again. What I do like though is that they decide beforehand and not ban the shoe after the fact and take away peoples victories.
@@daruween1398 that doesn’t fix the problem. The issue isn’t fair competition in a single race...it’s about maintaining some level of integrity in the sport, whatever that level may be. If I run in a mile race where everyone is equally wearing super rocket shoes, and we all run under 3 minutes, how does our new world record compare to athletes who ran with no special tech?
The shoes aren’t creating extra energy, they are just wasting less energy. Not exactly the same as doping. Everything evolves over time, tracks get better too, training gets better, analysis gets better. As long as the shoes don’t have ways of creating additional energy above what the athlete puts in, it’s fine.
That sounds okay on paper, but from my understanding of physics, it's literally impossible for the shoes to create more energy than the runner is putting in. If that your only restriction, then you basically have no restrictions at all. They can run with spring-loaded kangaroo shoes. These Nike concept shoes that got rejected, might not even be the fastest thing they can make, just their attempt to barely meet the requirements of running competitions. They might have something even better if they can throw the rulebook out the window.
No that doesn't make sense. If we get really liberal with our definition of a shoe, we can say bikes would fit this criteria. Now obviously, bikes aren't allowed, but I'm sure if you're creative enough, you could come up with something shoe-like that gives mechanical advantages. Maybe something that hooks up to your whole leg and uses gear ratios to move the "shoe" at a different speed than your foot is moving.
Vikas Kourav more like my bike pared with this incredible athlete is faster than your bike with the same technology paired with you. You make it sound like the average joe is just as fast as the athlete with the same bike. If everybody has the bike than nobody is at an advantage.
The only solution is to have two categories: the "historical" one, where the athletes have to compete completely naked, and the "unlimited" one, where the only condition is not having active components.
Just poking at the suggestions for fun (no offence intended): Historical: Do you permit cutting hair? Tattoos? Surgery? Unlimited: You might want to have a look at HPV racing. Marathons would reach the 30 minute mark instantly, with 20 being a realistic goal. Shoe standards: That would require the sport to stop being about "the fastest lap around the Nurburgring *ever*". Not happening. Too much money invested into building copies of Nurburgring everywhere.
@@matejlieskovsky9625 TBH I don't understand the issue with the shoe standard approach, as that is what is already being done to some extent. Formula 1 and Nascar cars aren't exact copies of the exact same car, just heavily regulated in terms of aerodynamics, engine, suspension, etc. Running shoes are already regulated (as illustrated by the nike shoe from the vid not allowed to compete in short track), how would a more heavily regulated shoe invalidate the sport?
To exaggerate the point, if a shoe had a motor it still makes you faster. Like yeah obviously that’s a stupid examples but this is starting to push what is your power vs the shoes power.
But wouldn't that more imply people are peaking whats possible for the body alone if what your wearing can make you run faster by historic margins,just seems like people are mad about some shit when everyone of these sponsored world record athletes are welcone to buy that shoe ,like if you aren't already world class then these shoes wont make you world class
Simple: because its a competition of persons going faster not a competition of products that make persons go faster artificially. It changes the whole point. We don't want to see if whichever Nike or Adidas is better, Olympics are not a marketplace. We want to see if some person is better as is, just with his natural body and good training and nothing more.
I think it’s fair as long as everyone has access to the innovations and as the bike has evolved so has biking records so running should be no different
But then is it fair to the previous runners who no longer run anymore? I think that is where the commissions would be the most mindful of. Should the historic records previously set just be forgotten? Should they break up the records per X years and have them standing forever within their time period? I'm in the fence about it, because obviously the times set years and years ago are already undermined by innovation already, even outside running like you already said. Although I agree that it would only be fair if everybody had access to utilise it.
@@zsoulweaver the same energy. dirt tracks and badly designed running shoes were the norm 50 years ago, so now that we have improved tech, records should improve as well. you cant base old records in the present because then everyone would have to have the same gear and tracks
@@adenwillemburg4300 I understand that, but I'm just saying I'd imagine that is where the regulatory commission body, whatever it's called, has probably got it's concerns.
@@zsoulweaver its how its work in almost every sports. As technology and techniques evolves records get beaten. Its doesn't make the old records worthless tho. You can still very much apreciate their value when you look at the context of their time.
@@fkhan98 Your probably aware of this but it’s crazy when it comes to professional athletes. Let’s take the fastest active Brit for instance, his PB is 9.91 and he ran that coming up to 3 years ago- with this shoes, he’s run a world record.
@@astrodeath1322 I've no problems with this. The tracks are specifically engineered to make runners faster, everybody uses spikes. As long as the new shoes are available to all it should not matter.
@@fkhan98 problem is they won’t be. If Nike make this shoe public, those signed with Adidas obviously can’t wear them meaning in most professional races, everyone signed with Nike will run faster times. Adidas will inevitably come out with even better technology and this repeats cycle will repeat itself over and over again. Eventually, you get to the point wear the technology used is more important than the athlete
3 options: everyone is gonna run barefoot OR with standart off the shelf shoes (no sponsored specialities) OR every athlete is gonna be given these special shoes
Yeah, I think three is the best option too, as a runner who can’t use the same shoes as everyone (Nike shoes are too thin for my foot) I think everyone should just use whatever shoe works for them, even if it gives them a advantage
Unfortunatly i agree that optinon 3 seems most likely, while it is fair for the new and upcoming runners unfortuntatly those before did not have this advantage which as he said could destroy their reputations and reccords and amazing runners
@@robertleepow7786 we should have to compete on the same playing field as are ancestors, that was supposed to be the whole point of the Olympics now it's about special shoes, diet, training, even the cloths are helping, people just cheat, I will never consider these fake athletes as winners ever again!
Isn’t the advancement of world records testimony to the changing times? You could have stopped at the sandal, the sneaker, the cleat...but here we are, beyond all that. Either create a barefoot league or let society do its thing, because competition is both human nature and the essence of the Olympics.
This is arguing minutiae. Unless they had a shoe standard for all marathon runners, the argument that it is cheating to use this shoe just doesn’t hold water. It’s innovation. If people are really concerned, then everyone should wear the same new shoe.
In my opinion it's not fair for people like Usain Bolt who are no longer in their prime age. He became the best because his training and his body type and it wouldn't be fair for him if someone could beat his record just because of the shoes.
But will the sport be based on skill and ability or technology??? .....its unfair to those who built the sport and broke records for some athlete to break it because he's wearing a shoe that can cut time off your run ...failure ...thats unjust to the sport
I mean, technology has had an undeniable effect on improvements in all sports, in leaps and bounds just like this one. Carbon fiber changed motor racing forever, fiberglass changed rowing, advanced foam changed running. It is a natural part of the cycle, and as long as all athletes have a fair shot at getting the same tech then there is no issue. Records are made to be broken, and technological advancement is part of that inevitable cycle.
We are after all, Homo Sapiens (wise men). To deny the medical science advancements, scientific training regimens, nutritional science, and athletic wear science that has enabled us to continue to evolve our athletic performance is silly. We don't run naked and barefoot on dirt, sports has become scientific and exacting, we race on bicycles, the modern javelin was specially designed with modern materials, we had to learn how to make bows, gun, and ice skates, tennis rackets, swords, boats, and half the other technologies that have continued to evolve since sports began. And yet we consider those technologies valid for olympic competition, but not shoes? That is reminiscent of the superman bicycle, it is still a bicycle, regardless of how expensive or highly engineered it is, it is still a bicycle, you could ride it into town, they're still shoes, you could wear them on a hike or in your back yard. I think banning them is a denial of what actually makes humans great and why our species has taken over the planet and has become powerful enough to play games with our greatest athletes rather than depend on them for food, labor, or protection.
In a race like a marathon every stride and foot strike literally degrades the athlete in terms of the wear and tear on the joints. With deficient tech (in this case shoes) the athletes longevity is impacted. A shoe that returns some of that energy, to me, is quite all right. As others have noted, if all the participates are free to acquire the same tech, so be it. You’ve still got to train at a high level to even be in the ball park of a world record. I certainly agree with others who have said tech advancement is part of an evolving cycle of improvement.
Being a Kenyan 🇰🇪 , it's always great seeing Kipchoge and other athletes representing us. They are a huge source of pride and seeing them being highlighted here put a smile on my face 😄 On the subject of the shoes, I think it would be better to embrace the innovation. Let them be standardised for all athletes.
@@robinred1851 Really? I am American, and I have loved Athletics/Competitions all my life. Just about any kind of Sport, Competition, Race, Match, etc... I will watch it or perticipate/play it. I, like the rest of the World, have marveled at the utter Dominance of the Kenyan Distance Runners for decades now. I LOVE watching them run. It is simultaneously mesmerizing and inspiring!! However, I have never, ever heard anything about them "cheating" in their Marathons or any other races. Do you have any information, links, or anything _specific_ about these allegations you have put forth?
Yeah but old records become meaningless. Especially if you can't break it without the aid of the spikes. The person who set the previous record didn't use it.
I would counter and say ALL competitors should have access to it. If sponsorships ban you from wearing Nike and you lose its on you and your sponsor. If its cost prohibited then say no go to the shoes unless they provide them at the event for everyone to use that day.
Accessibility is an advantage like any others. Will you start denying fit people access to competitions? How about diet? How about specialised. Life isn’t fair. What makes a race any different? We go into any competitions trying to gain as much of an advantage over our competitors as possible.
@@87togabito Life isn't fair is not an argument though. Under that logic someone riding a motorcycle in a bicycle race is ok because hey life isn't fair. Things aren't fair but that doesn't mean the attempt should not be made to make things as fair as possible. That includes the analyzing not just immediate consequences but secondary, tertiary and quaternary consequences of a decision.
@@nocare What are regulations. It's beyond stupid that money shouldn't be allowed to be spent by those who can and want to. How the hell do you think gokarting works? Guess what a lot of people can't even participate what so ever, let's force the government to step in and buy everyone identical gokarts.
I think this could actually benefit the sport as a whole. Imagine having an official list of shoes to pick for each race, each one favouring different aspects of running. It might seem like an outlandish comparison, but it might add the same feeling of allocating tires for an F1 race. All and all, I think this could potentially better the sport if done correctly.
I agree, it would make the sport so much more interesting and be good for it, but it would also destroy the "peak human performance" aspect of the world records. In terms of competition and sport it's fine, but we need to keep separate categories kind of like video game speedrunning having 100% and any% categories. Sport WR vs Human WR or something like that.
@@foxxinrox yeah there's a similar thing with powerlifting records for bench press. There are shirts that basically are super tight and spring load your arms to shoot back up when benching, so they also keep a "raw" record for people who don't use that stuff
@@fica1137 Complete and total ideocracy from you my friend. @bladewrks was simple stating that there has been a creation of divisions in order to separate those whom use equipment (Equipped Lifting) and those who do not use the performance boosting equipment (Raw Lifting). I could see this being a thing that happens to many other Olympic sports in the future in order to ensure level competitive field regardless of time period in which you compete.
As a person who doesn't watch sports it would be fascinating to see new disciplines emerge not so much focused on only physical ability. It's great for athletes to achieve these feats without equipment but I think it'd be more beneficial for people in general to explore assisting technologies as long as it won't create hostile or exploitative relationships with companies like Nike because of their monopoly on development of new shoes for example.
yes you could, but I think it's something different to improve your own buddy or it's capabilities(not doping or robitic legs etc. but like you said new training methods) than the gear you are using because it is not something you can change only with pure will (and maby luck with good genetics but thats another topic)
What bothers me about this "controversy" is that it seemingly bypasses basic physics. Having a shoe with "superior energy return" doesn't give an unfair advantage because a shoe can't exactly MAKE you run faster but it ALLOWS you to run faster by providing superior traction, comfort, energy return, etc. A more advanced shoe simply allows an athlete to extract more of their physical potential. People are acting as if the shoe is exerting some sort of extra inherrent force (other than what the runner provides) which is simply impossible given its design; its not like this shit has a rocket propelled booster shooting out the back it's literally just a better designed sprinting shoe.
@@avatar962 The sponsor doesnt care about the athletes personal preference, they just want their brand to be shown so they either let them choose the gear they want or add a cosmetic item that doesnt change the original design of whatever theyre using but still shows off their brand. the shoe is also allowed 6 months in the open market before it can be used in an official race so your point sucks.
I'll admit, the whole passing the debate onto us... or hell having the debate at all without actually providing any actual data beyond "it broke the rules" (without even specifying how) or "it can make people faster by an unspecific margin" is kind of disengenuous and pointless. I get maybe we don't actually have these factors... But if we don't have like any information, what's the point of saying something is wrong or not? It just doesn't make any sense. Like generally I'm in favor of innovation as well, but when you say that it's cutting it close to crossing the line... Where's that line? How close is it? What are you even basing that on other than rumors that it's really good? I just don't see the point in attempting this specific debate under this context, mostly because there is no meaningful context under which to host a debate.
The specific rules aren't that important though. Those shoes were dismissed because of concerns that the blade was a secondary spring, but the wider question is whether the technology and innovation in shoes is something that need regulating as a concept.
Compare shoes from 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, etc. It goes in one directions. Improvement is visible but at the end there is a runner who breakes the record. Usain Bolt had much better shoes than Jessie Owens. But it is also about different training methods, more medical checks and adjusting training to the current results. Also different nutition helps. A lot of things has changed in favour of future results. We know more we perform better.
Well we need some rules on what is allowed to wear on your feet. Who knows what Bolt could run with a pair of running blades like these? ua-cam.com/video/dkeo5Dp-r78/v-deo.html
having athletes spend a few months at high altitude before they fly to the lowlands to compete increases their lungs capacity for oxygen intake. there has been cheating of some kind in sports for decades.
The shoes didn't run the race, they were attached to a flesh and blood human being who trained for months and devoted hours everyday to train and ate a diet to keep them lean.
as long as EVERY athlete has access to the same tools, it cant really be labled a competitive advantage in my opinion. Old records are meant to be broken, and should be goals and motivators. By stubbing innovation to prevent breaking those records, i feel like its hurting the sports integrity more than it would if it let the the innovation occur. If we compared Usain Bolts shoe to one made 20 years prior, I think we would see similar levels of athlete speed disparities, right?
Maybe if all athletes in the sport are sponsored by their country. The United States does not sponsor its athletes. Search for a video titles "Why Olympians are broke" by Business Insider
I think the issue is, it gives people the wrong impression of being fit and athletic if you push to much into the innovation sphere of things; Records are there to show the performance of the individual and not he performance of the gear they are wearing. If they split it into tech vs non you'd end up having the Olympic games being held over a longer period of time and honestly, newer generations of people don't really care to much for sports so attention will slowly wane and they'd end up hearing or seeing these inventions some where else anyways.
If anyone knows anything about swimming, they’ll know the sport had been through the same type of controversy, except this time it was the use of polyurethane materials in suits. Some swimmers reportedly swam up to a half-second faster every 50m. It eventually led the the conclusion that these suits would ruin the sport. FINA would go on to ban these suits starting the 2010 season, and we got a glimpse of what could have been otherwise, when Michael Phelps was beaten by Paul Biederman from Germany at the 2009 World Championship, in an event that Phelps usually destroyed the competition in. Phelps consistently lowered the world record down to a 1:42.9 at the 2008 Beijing Games. Unfortunately, Phelps couldn’t wear the suit in 2009, because Speedo, his sponsorship, didn’t make them, so he had to “deal with it”. He lost that 200 Free in probably the most unfair way possible because Biederman was in that new suit, which lowered the world record down to a 1:42.0.
There's a bit more to this story. In 2008 Speedo unveiled the LZR Racer. It was at the time the most innovative and high tech suit swimming have ever seen. Its composition of around 50% polyurethane improved the swimmers hydrodynamics and proved buoyancy that made maintaining an ideal body position in the water easier. The results were spectacular, to be competitive at the highest level of the sport you simply had to wear the suit. At the 2008 Olympics 98% of all medalist wore the suit, and 25 world records fell. And Michael Phelps, the greatest swimmer of all time, was the main global ambassador for Speedo. For each one of his famous 8 golds and 7 world records at the 2008, he wore the LZR. Already questions were being raised and controversy was brewing. In 2009, competitors of Speedo Arena and Jaked introduced the Arena X-Glide and the Jaked 01. These suits were made of 100% polyurethane, and proved to be an even more ridiculous upgrade to swimmers speed than the LZR. Over the course of 2009, 147 new world records were set (not all of them were ratified) and right before the 2009 World Championship, where 43 world records would be set, FINA banned the suits, requiring that all suits be made of textile materials and limiting were the body could be covered by the suits, effective as of the 1st of January 2010. That brings us to Biederman's infamous victory over Phelps. Phelps defeat put a media spotlight on what the plastic swim suits were doing to the sport, but also ushered in a strange narrative that Phelps was a victim in all of this, when he in fact swam that race in a suit that would also be banned and helped usher in the tech suit revolution. By this time there was a sentiment among swimmers that this had all gone to far, one that was echoed by Biederman himself following his victory over Phelps, but that didn't stop them from Swimming as much as the could that year to cement themselves in the record books. People were afraid that these records would never be touched once the suits were banned. However over a decade later those fears have not come to fruition. Of the 40 events in the Long Course pool (the olympic standard), all but 2 records fell in 2008-2009. Today, only 12 of these "supersuit" records remain. They are (the fastest in textile in parentheses) Mens 50m free: 20.91 Cesar Cielo 2009 (21.04 Calaeb Dressel 2019) Mens 100m free: 46.91 Cesar CIelo 2009 (46.96 Calaeb Dressel 2019) Mens 200m free: 1:42.00 Paul Biederman 2009 (1:43.14 Yannick Angel 2012) Mens 400m free: 3:40.07 Paul Biederman 2009 (3:40.08 Ian Thorpe 2002 - Though the suit he wore was textile, it would still be banned under todays rules. The fastest in a legal suit today was by Sun Yang* in 2012 at 3:40.14) Mens 800m free: 7:32.12 Zhang Lin 2009 (7:38.57 Sun Yang* 2011) Mens 200m backstroke: 1:52.92 Aaron Piersol 2009 (1:52.96 Ryan Lochte 2011) Mens 400m IM: 4:03.84 Michael Phelps 2008 (4:05.18 Ryan Lochte 2012) Mens 4x100 free relay: 3:08.24 USA 2008 (3:09.06 USA 2019) Mens 4x200 free relay: 6:58.55 USA 2009 (6:59.70 USA 2012) Mens 4x100 medley relay: 3:27.28 USA 2009 (3:27.91 USA 2017) Womens 200m freestyle: 1:52.98 Federica Pellegrini 2009 (1:53.61 Allison Schmitt 2012) Womens 200m butterfly: 2:01.81 Liu Zige 2009 (2:04.06 Jiao Liuyang 2012) Coincidentally, the records that survived the "supersuit" onslaught, the Men and Women 1500m freestyle, were some of the first records to fall in the post 2009 era of swimming. * - Sun Yang has recently come under much scrutiny for allegations of doping. This is a long, complicated, and ongoing saga that has seen him test positive for banned substances, and possibly being banned from the sport. The legitimacy of his incredible performances is suspect.
@@randomchannel-px6ho Good post. I am entirely expecting the 50 and 100m men's free to be destroyed by Dressel this summer, that man is a monster. Murphy has a good shot at the 200m backstroke as well. Considering how competitive all of the relays have gotten I wouldn't be surprised if the Brits or Americans take the 4x100 free or medley down too in Tokyo. The Brits at 2019 world champs were insane.
Everything improves over time. Look at stuff like cycling, they sure improved those bikes a hell of a lot over the years, why is a shoe any different? As long as all racers are allowed access to the same stuff then what is the issue. The reason Drugs were so bad is because it was a "hidden" advantage.
technology evolves, this seems unavoidable. as long as this type of shoes are avaliable for everyone and not just a "special order" for someone, i think it's fair
The problem is that they are not available to their competition in the record books. This is not a new precedent, they took the javelin world record away from Seppo Raty in the 90s after they decided that the new Nemeth javelin designs were too good.
@@jelliott8424 Sure, but for decades people used to run on dirt tracks. And no one used starting blocks. And they definitely didn't have access to today's nutrion, training or specialized medicines. Technology advances. It is life.
1968 Olympics, the banned the PUMA "Brush Spikes" for similar reasons after seeing missive performance leaps the previous year. The same should happen here.
@@st3wi3D to my understanding, their competitor Adidas intervened heavily with the reason that the spikes would damage the running tract. Later a new rule was set that running shoes would not have more than 6 spikes. As big as Nike, I dont think they would ever lose to other competitors that easy, so I think these shoes may well be a new standard.
If we stop improvements in technology, where would we be? It's just like adjustments to bits on F1 cars, all meant to give tbe competitor an edge. Any improvement should be made welcome unless it's a danger to life or limb.
How are these thing unavoidable? They obviously denied the shoe. The sport is also fundamentally changed and it is not as natural as before, you might as well start using a swimming jet pack for swimming
I want the nike Viperfly to come out I think it should be allowed and I think as long as it's not drugs that are making you faster in the 100m it should be allowed because it's an amazing track Spike designed to make you way faster in the 100m and as long as it's not a drug of any type it should be allowed and it's not cheating
But ulsan bolt didn't have access to these shoes when he set the world record so it is unfair to historical runners. But I don't care about sports records so whatever.
Nothing you can do about human body and genetics that natural and how its suppose to be measured, not by who can make best shoes to get an edge, those shoes had not only that spring but also air bubbles which also acts like a spring
and thats a bad thing why? are archers supposed to use wooden bows over their compound counterparts? are soccer players supposed to play with balls filled with feathers and on dirt fields? innovation should be praised, records are meant to be broken
@@adenwillemburg4300 I was just comparing the two sports because there’s a similar fight between technology and tradition in both. In my opinion faster tech should be encouraged but there should be a clear line drawn so we don’t have blowing up drivers or racers on moonshoes. The shoes in the video are in a grey area that I think are acceptable but many disagree.
@@Adam-de8jm kinda reminds me of last year's DAS system, which wasn't even really against the rules but had to be removed because of the opposing teams lol
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 High level sport has always been “pay to win”, very rarely does someone not have a sponsor to cover costs and tools since the beginning of televised sports. The difference is that F1 engineers are directly connected to the driver, shoe companies aren’t.
Give me any of the shoes in this video and I couldn’t run a mile without taking a break, it’s taking from the human, it’s bullshit, give everyone the shoes and tell them to prove it
@@attoboi9763 The whole point is that it undermines the previous records, its about WHO was fastest, not which shoe. The same argument applied to Oscar Pistorius, a blade runner with no legs, did having blades with a spring like action give him an unfair advantage over athletes with legs?
@@21sled Broken fairly, that is. If there is a competition about the fastest propeller-powered plane and a fighter jet shows up to beat it, then it ruins the competition completely. This competition is about the fastest person, not the fastest shoe..
1. This is just 2020s configuration of a 60s-70s brush spike problem. It's simply returning energy at too great a rate, and so it can't work. 2. Anyone here own an early 1990s Mizuno long jump shoe? It bet you this Nike is making you think of that.... 3. Much more benefit is conferred by the plate geometry and midfoot components than the "fang". I will put money on this. And YT please continue your insipid know-nothing commentary.
I guess the argument against this is that the pole may change material but I’m guessing the general structure and design of poles is relatively constant. And each competitor gets the benefit. For shoes it would create a monopoly for Nike, at least until someone else can challenge
I think the problem is that when you start putting all this stuff in the shoes is it actually the runner or just the shoes that are making them this fast
@@CarlosGonzalez-mr4co "i think the problem is that when you start putting all this stuff in the pole is it actually the vaulter or just the pole making them go high"
@@Andre83572 I totally share your opinion ! Innovation in any way helps us become the next us. I only have one drawback on this situation : a brand like Nike has the money to get each one of these innovation years before the other. It could create, as have been seeing for some years now, a domination of 1 brand in the overall athletic field. I think it results in Nike having more power in the world athletic decisions, the overall organisation etc... I don't know if my idea is clear, but this situation makes me think of the GAFAS (google, Microsoft...) who we now criticise cause they got too much leverage in too many decisions around the globe.
That cannot be relied upon. I wrote a comment explaining how exactly this scenario happened in the swimming world. A German swimmer called Paul Biedermann became a multi world record holder in a single year, solely due to his ability to afford and adapt to the available technology. In the years before and since he was barely an Olympic finalist caliber swimmer. His records stand 11 years later. Same applies to Cesar Cielo Fihlo of Brazil and Aaron Piersol of the USA.
Its beings in an unfairness to old world records tho and I think that's where the issue lies. We trying to compare to the history if running. But just my opinion
@@parkerworden5171 hard work is definitely part of it. Didn’t mean to discount it. My point was that these spike won’t take an average joe and turn them into a world class sprinter.
Records are made to be broken. Innovation doesn't create an unfair advantage for participants, as long as everyone has access to said innovation. Bolts achievements will always stand tall, even if his record is broken.
@Rama problem is that it is already the case, From the track itself, to the training, training equipment, nutrition, research on the human body and its efficiency, the shoes, "drugs" allowed and etc... they're all much better than 50 years ago. the only difference is that some improvements are too good, such as the shoes in the vid.
@@alexperez6258 ...... its just a fuqin shoe. costing no more than 300$. any third world country athlete can afford it to represent their country. do u seriously think people from third world country are soo poor they cant even afford a damn shoes?
@@alexperez6258 Are these shoes so much more expensive than other high quality running shoes? Do those other high quality running shoes give benefits over running bare foot or on cheap shoes? People need equipment for most sports which has a cost. This seems on the low end.
@@NeverEnoughPyro40 its a carbon plate - do yourself a favour and put your feet in a carbon plated shoe and then you'll realise how trivial the increase in performance is. This video is highly dramatised for views and impact.
@@alwynkotze9891 i dont think you understand how big of a deal even 2% is Which this is even greater then If you had a boost of 4% and you had the 20th fastest time for a runner You might now have the 7th
I kinda wish we had a "anything goes" division where people could wear crazy shoes and dope if they want. But keep it separate from the "restricted" division
@@MrZoora23 hahahha bad guys dont wanna do that because it would turn out worse than non doped and no assistant. They wanna trash whats clean to make themselves apear better. People already asked them about it and they always make some lame excuses as: we dont want people to destroy their lives or how do we know clean guys arent cheating...
It doesn't matter for us mere mortals, but for legendary athletes at their peak, even a peice of equipment that allows one to shave off a thousandths of a second can be considered unfair if say they were competing against someone who is equally as good but is poor.
Too much money involved with sponsors for anything like that to happen. Also it doesn't change the fact that new technology would be giving an unfair advantage to the current athletes competing against long standing records.
@@cobra7282 Technology will improve and it will impact future scores. A portable asthma pump is an advancement in technology. An ice bath, icy hot, massage guns, aspirin, shoe insoles, jersey fabric, Gatorade, etc. are all advancements in sports technology. I understand that ONE shoe might give an unfair competitive advantage. Even if you have people run barefoot, a wealthier team/country could still have an unfair advantage. Again, if everyone has a STANDARD shoe & equipment, then that would make it as fair as possible.
What do u mean... he put bolts pic up cos he is one of the main subjects in the video... the wr cheating is clearly directed at the viperflys. Its very easy to see 👀
@@sepg5084 1) Not enough money is being spent on doping detection. Many weaknesses in the system still exist (almost as if the sector didn’t learn or doesn’t want to learn from the Armstrong scandal). F.e. saline solutions are extremely prevalent and drug tests are not sensitive enough (even though they could be). 2) Not enough tests are administered 3) Not enough is done to prevent fraud and scandals (officials of big teams almost always know when a supposed “unnanounced drug test” will occur)
Yes, higher technology can help to increase the 100 meter sprints. Why can't technology be used to enhance sports. Look at pole vaulting, tennis, etc. Dont tell me that they should outlaw the new poles because it has increased the performance?
Well Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson etc didn't run with whatever Usain ran in either. It's just the nature of progress. His record isn't going to last forever. And that's okay. Records are made to be broken.
Maybe we should go back in time to the ancient Greek olympiad where everyone was nearly naked and barefoot. Just let athletes compete on whatever level they feel comfortable with.
I'm not sure how I feel about it when talking about Olympic and world records, can you really say you've beat the previous record when you have a clear, even defined 4% advantage over the previous record holder? If I were the previous record holder I'm not sure I'd be too happy about it. In other events when a standard is changed like a different javelin is used for example, previous world records are kept as a separate record and are no longer official records, with the newer standard having the new official records because it no longer makes sense to compare the records with different standards. Surely running shouldn't be any different.
@@colinbrash True, although this does look like quite the leap forward in running shoes, you're probably right all the same. Even if it's a gradual improvement that must stack up a bit over time so new records don't compare well with old. A difficult thing to regulate I suppose, without making everyone where the same shoes year in year out anyway, that's the only solution I can think of.
@Saqueeb Brown so what? If you compare the equipment Usain Bolt had to the the equipment of world record setting athletes 50 years or 60 years ago, there would be a huge difference in performance. Still, his record stands. The only way of keeping it fair in your perception would be to scratch all standing records throughout history and to force every athlete to wear the same exact shoes from this point forward. Pretty nonsensical isn't it?
Everyone? Or just the people who can afford them? If we make it that the olympic committee provides the best shoes for everyone, they obviously don't provide it for the up and coming maybes. So one athlete has a rich family or country behind them, and they train all their lives on the best equipment, while a better runner but poorer financially trains on crappier equipment, and gets given a new pair of shoes to wear in and learn how to work with on the eve of their olympic debut? I agree it should be faire, but not sure how to do it so it's REALLY fair.
@@barryschwarz for that logic a poor athlete need to train and probably work and can't just dedicate himself to the sport as someone with better financial resources so it can't ever be fair because what you do next? Not everyone can buy this shoes then ban them not everyone can live to just train then ban the people that don't have a job and train?? Everyone has the same opportunity to save money and buy a shoe that "might" help u but I won't become Bolt just because a shoe and at the end of the day u can't now how good anyone could be if they dedicated solely to a sport
the Olympics are a competition to show the absolute peak of humanity, athletes wear the best clothing they can, the best equipment possible, what have you. I say let the shoe companies go wild, we want to see faster and faster times, better and better competition, sure, it's tough to let Usain Bolt's record get beaten with a change like equipment, but I much prefer for competition to get more competitive. Only real issue I have with it is this idea that it's unfair, but I think the Olympics should be done with the same shoes all around providing whatever top of the line equipment any other athlete has, javelins need to be the same, weights need to be the same, why wouldn't shoes work the same?
Imagine if you made a shoe so good it considered cheating
Lmao imagine being so good it's considered cheating; @Caster Semenya for instance
@@billseota8967 She’s genetically male. If she has surgery to remove her testicles, or take hormone suppression therapy, then all will be good.
@@naildoctormd even then she would have a body and a bone density of a male
See see what you don’t understand is after 2015.12 update Nike decided to buff It shoe product
@@oilhanm-a4893 I dont like calling them female. Cosmetically yes but physically its such bullshit to actual female competitors who busted their asses for years to get to that level just to have someone playing on current politics cheat their way in!
Nike is so good on creating "Banned" shoes just like the Jordans. They can make the best slogan. "It's so good, they banned it"
You know that Jordans is also Nike right...
@@sho7078 they are giving an example of a banned Nike shoe
@@sho7078 You good bro?
the jordan’s were never actually banned, they took on that slogan as a marketing tactic after being widely mistaken for another shoe that was actually banned
@@cstin2468 was gonna say this thank you
These are precisely what I need to get my 100m below 43 seconds.
I got some and my personal best has dipped to an astonishing 41.5 for the 100 and 1:30.2 for the 200m .
It was almost too fast ....
@@drbosommd Daaaaamn...that's flyin'!! I definitely gotta get me a pair then. If they got you down to a mind blowing 41.50...then I'm sold. I've been battling for months, trying to crack the coveted 42.98 spot...to no avail. Do you think there's a possibility they could make me TOO fast though? Like, will I be running and not be able to stop??
@@RILEYLEIFSON_UTAH its entirely possible you may not be able to stop. Depending on your height and weight . Just be careful about pushing too hard at before you are accustomed too the speed increase.
Yeah, these shoes work
I'm clocking just under a minute now, a 5% deficit
@@drbosommd Would you recommend some sort of safety parachute, that I could deploy after the finish line then? I'm thinking something akin to what they use on Top-Fuel dragsters, ya know?
I should probably look into that...
I wish existed a "tech assisted" category for every sport. it would be so cool to see how much technology can improve human performance.
That'll be dope
@@travis5732 Literally
100m sprint with a car
but where would you draw the line? If we compare todays shoes to 40 years ago ... they are all tech assisted. :)
@@advancednutritioninc908 I wouldn't draw a line, that is why I think it should be a totally separated category
This is a better Nike ad than anything Nike has ever put out themselves.
Ive never run track in my life but i really want those shoes lol
The nike 2014 world cup ad is the best one ever
Or is it?
It truly is.
Yes but can you even buy that Nike shoe?
So he could have literally said “These shoes make me faster”? Where were these in 1st grade.
I’m sure that part of it is also physiological but I think that shoe probably does actually make you faster
I don't think i needed this shoes back then
No bs those things are obviously flat out cheating . You get more out of them than what you put in
@@DjoXey that will devastate the running world honestly . It’s a false reality tho these athletes with these spikes can’t actually run that fast . They literally have a propulsion mechanism built into their shoe it’s crazy talk .
@@DjoXey spikes should be spikes and that’s all
I really want these shoes now
Same
I don’t even run and I want them. 🤪
In normal people the difference is unnoticeable
You should get them if you run a lot, you wont feel so tired, you will start running a lot more, and the impact on the ground is a lot more absorbed which is good for your joints and bones.
that's because this is an add
Nah everyone should just do everything completely naked, makes waaayyy more sense
What about "testicle drag"?
@@kriswell. A little bit of duct-tape to the thigh would possibly help lol
Like the Olympics in Ancient Greece?
@@thegyrfalcon65 yes
@@kriswell. They naturally decrease in size while running
When a guy on UA-cam puts out a better Nike ad than Nike itself.
Truuuue i want them now
same lol
😃🤣😃🤣😃🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol so many stupid people read this comment and actually think this video is an advertisement. Good job
Agree. Nike hows this guy a fat check.
Imagine if they put in as much effort into anti doping
Anti doping is so much harder to do.
@@Finnspin_unicycles yeah, you can't really hide what shoe you are wearing like you can with doping
times would drop significantly
They do put as much effort into anti doping. They go to about as many lengths as they are able to. Enough that some athletes who most likely aren’t even doping receive violations. That doesn’t mean they catch everyone, but there’s only so much they can do.
@@Elliottklassen true. hard to test for specific PEDs.
If this shoe is controversial, people should look at olympic bows.
They look more like a piece of engineering art than something you shoot an arrow out of.
or you can just go to a crossbow competition. there's different categories for different types of equipment. maybe running should do the same thing lol
@@icecreambone amen 🙏
So many sports have this dilemma, especially Motorsport where a drivers ability and technology go hand in hand… It’s only natural that things get more efficient and better over time
As an archer this is very true, the biggest thing being that the bow doesn't aim itself, the person does. The bow can only get the arrow to where the archer was aiming better. So if the archer shoots a bad shot, it will still go in the same place. The same goes for these shoes, they only give back what the runner puts in. If a technology is available to all and isn't dangerous, then how is it unfair or cheating?
Comparing footwear to compound or olympic recurve bows is silly. ^^
That's how things are, technology should improve as the sport does. I'm sure Bolt's shoes were better then 80's and 90's guys...
@@imustbust998 as long as it doesn't use external energy it should be allowed
Is strapping rockets to roller skates acceptable? No, because that's where we drew the line. Likewise, having a spring on the underside of your shoe is crossing a line
@@MarshaIIs Strapping rockets to skates is not cool because we don't have technollogy to transform that in a real thing... imagine if skate tricks were 3 times higher or 8 times faster... Skate as we know would be extinct... it's just a matter of time, things change and that's the true...
There's need a line to be drawn, otherwise in some +20 years into the future, sportsmen will be cutting their legs to replace them with metal bionic something for faster speed. And it is a real concern because that will happen as technology for artificial limbs keeps progressing.
@@fartsoundeffect5013 Not using a line would mean using 5 meter tall bionic stilts and just letting yourself fall over.
Almost every shoe ever worn since the first running shoe was worn has been an improvement on its previous version. This one just has a larger gap in technology than those before it. This is nothing new. Its always happened.
exactly. if they never wanted innovation to give athletes an advantage they shouldnt allow any clothing to be worn like in the ancient greek olympic times
But where do we draw the line when they start putting wheels and turbo jets on the shoes?
@@MrSoso1050 huge difference between soleplate and fucking jets cos all the other brands have the same tech it's just not as good yet
@@MrSoso1050 thats why there is a federation in charge of setting rules and regulations. Like any other sport. All sports have regulations on the gear allowed to be used. from ping ping to nascar and track.
@@ThaneR0248 so you agree with the decision of banning the sneakers?
If they are worried about the integrity or “fairness” they should have a designated standard shoe all runners use
Even amazing athletes like Usain Bolt could not have achieved his records without the progress of shoe and track technology
the difference is the energy return and whether it acts like a spring. they are gonna have to make a border of how much energy return there can be
This video is basically saying is it fair for others if another Usain Comes and eventually 1 will come they always do and they meet those shoes🤔😐 do you know how fast that is......like people forget Usain in that video was running so fast that he didn't even run through the Line! He looked to the side imagine if he did its lower then 9.58. Its probably 9.3. So imagine another Usain with those shoes possibly going under 9 or at 9 exactly pretty scary but amazing
I can see why it may be issues its about integrity and respect of the sport itself....but i say they should be allowed just if they're allowed they are forced to all wear Nike which is probably what Nike wants anyway....so in that case if im commissioner i wouldn't allow it unless Nike releases Patents for shoe tech in running to their competitors Puma and Adidas
@@fqre9200 Tracks used to be dirt and shoes were much different from today. It's difficult to determine if someone running the 100m 50 years ago would be able to do with today's shoes. That said, I think a lot of the gains made through time come from better training methods.
@@SkyraXD bolt not looking left/right wont cut his timing down by 0.28s bro lol espc @ the kind of max vel speeds they’re running at. For reference at max vels they’re running @ almost 10m/0.8-0.85s for you to say it’d be 9.3s means you’re insinuating he’d be about 4-5m infront of his current wr run if he didnt turn his head.
As long as every sprinter in a final has access to whatever shoe they wish, it’s a non issue.
Nah, where do you draw the line? What if they all start wearing those spring loaded stilts (and when is something considered a stilt)? Even normal people can achieve world record speeds on those...
It's very good to draw a specific line on what's allowed.
Just as it is with doping.
@@WBSband they should use the same regulations as cycling. You can pick the color and it can make whatever sound you want but it better weight X amount of kg’s and have only x amount of gears. Another way of putting this is every one has to wear basically padded flats with standardized trim.I’m a little worried about stifling innovation though,what do you think.
What about old record holders that have theiregacies tarnished? And what about poor athletes as well?
Sport should be less focused on technology and more so on athletic ability and technique
@@alex.polychronopoulos4487 I wouldn’t exactly call them “poor athletes” tho…
enter sponsorships, monopoly and copyright discussions!
This argument can be applied to just about every sport. The bows and arrows archers use, the gloves that wide receivers wear, and ski's for any winter olympic sport. They all improve year after year. Heck I'm surprised olympic swimmers don't spray themselves down with Rain-X before jumping into the water.
Even swimming is improving in technology. Recent swimmers have broken many record using new suits that mimic shark skin.
I agree Jackson T. Approved equipment is approved equipment and everyone has the opportunity to use it. On the other hand drugs are individualized so I understand why those are controlled in competition.
I'm not an expert but I thinj an optimal amount of friction is desirable for swimming.
Compare Coca cola chem with Natural Drink Wine
Do yall remeber as kids when we got new shoes we'd see how fast they made us
My first nike air 180's were considerably better than my hi tec silver shadows .
@JollyBlueGiant - You took me way back with that one, LOL!!!!!!!!!! A brand new pair of Pro-Keds always made me run faster.
No new set bought without running in the shoestore
Ivylyn
Well this time it worked like a charm
This is fair, he's just smart and took advantage of this technology. It's not like the shoe was only made for him.
The problem is it wasn’t made for the ones that hold the previous records which aren’t running anymore
@@vichs8457 advancement happens in every field it’s like saying a cars top speed record couldn’t be allowed because older cars didn’t have modern engines
@@vichs8457
Yea but what about the people before them, and the people before them, and the people before them.
Every single leap in human achievement comes along with improvements in diet, nutrition, training, equipment, and the setting they happen in. Unless you want everybody to run with scraps on barefoot, then understand the evolution of time
It's not fair, is like losing against someone that had somethig you didnt have in an exam, like having Elon Musk neuron chip that let's you search for stuff during the exam while you couldnt because you didnt know about this or couldnt afford it
everyone gangster until high jumpers show up in some jumping stilts
I think getting mad at Nike for making new shoes that are overall better than the competition is like getting mad at tire companies for producing newer more grippy materials.
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 I do agree that there should be boundaries that shouldn't be crossed, if it were up to me I think they should have a cap on how much money it costs to make the shoes, kind of like what they do with F1 racing now, Mercedes would spend almost twice as much as the competition which made them much more powerful, but I do still think that a little bit of creative ingenuity is required to keep the sport interesting along with helping runners perform
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 these people are world class athletes their backed by major companies where money is not an issue
As for getting to this state I understand how this could be a problem in more ameture scenes but for the very top I see no problem with these new shoes
I think racing and running is different. In racing both athlete and team/car are winner, while in running, only the athlete is the winner.
@@mahoganywood6468 the runner's team is what is on their shoe
@@mahoganywood6468 Motorsport and running might be two completley different types of sports but you can still draw parallels. F1 is the pinacle of motorsports where you will find the most inovative technology, teams have people going through the rule books just to find loopholes to gain that extra tenth of a second on their competition. What Nike are doing is the exact same thing. They've been putting a lot of resources into the development of these shoes so that their athletes can win as that hopefully in the long run will generate more sales of Nike goods. Are the shoes an unfair advantage? Perhaps. Based on what is said in the video runners with these Nike shoes have an advantage over runners using shoes of a different brand but there is also nothing stopping the other brands like Adidas to develop similar shoes. Inovation is a part of sports nowadays and it shouldn't be banned unless it has the potential to seriously harm the athletes.
This is exactly like when F1 bans every new technology or design that adds too much of an advantage. At some point we're just gonna have to both high performance top tech races and traditional simple tech races in parallel.
Running hasn't primarily been a tech sport, historically it's been cheap and affordable.
Imagine if prosphetics meant non-amputees could not win championships.
The sport in F1 is all about engineers exploiting to the limit the rules and top drivers manoeuvring themselves into the best cars.
Team: "I like this thing."
Ferrari: "I don't like their thing."
FIA: "You are no longer allowed to like this thing."
No, it's not like F1. Runners can just go into a store and get the best shoes. Another F1 team can't go to a random car mechanic and just get a DAS system off the shelf.
@@KAMiKAZOW Sports equipment for the stars is specially made, not standard production models
Technology in F1 has long passed the point where the bottleneck is no longer the vehicle, but the human controlling it. G forces and speeds are simply too high with the advances in power, downforce and ground effects.
If every athlete has access to the shoes it's fair. Technology should be allowed to happen.
yes but not everyone is sponsored by nike so it's not likely
And what about the records that are still standing from athletes that no longer compete, it isn’t fair to them
@@javierrivas4645 doesn't matter, if any one can walk into a nike store and buy them then they are legal.
@@dominatorpro1176 Tell that to the people that used to compete on gravel tracks. Innovation must be rewarded.
@@javierrivas4645 Do you know that most of the high jump athletes sponsored by nike do not wear nike shoes? Look at Mutaz Barshim, he wears Asics since he was a junior athlete, and nike didn't want to cause a disadvantage by forcing him to wear their shoes. Solution? They gave him a shoe cover with the swoosh so he coud jump with whatever he wants to jump while showcasing the brand.
If the sponsor can't match up the requirements of the technology, then check for other options instead of blaming the technology.
Let's be real here we want to see it on bolt in his prime
Omg YES!
It's not a sprinting shoe
It's not a sprinting shoe
@@zacbaillie335 did you even watched the video ?
@@Glooooooooed Yeah, it featured Bolt.
It’s almost like saying the technology of clothes, shoes, and shorts have been breaking world records. Technology is a part of the process. Imagine if things did not change in Marathon running, people would still be naked running in sandals or barefoot.
@Paul B
What toes the line? All of these innovations allow the athlete to perform better, not outright cheat.
Innovation in anything allows for a better performance, so unless you want everybody to have around the same times, understand the improvement in capabilities of the athlete
@Skeatlez Ur dumb. The shes doesn't move on their own
Barefoot is natural. Going for world record is futile if it gets destoryed because of tools you didnt have access to
@@Cody8P
A record gets destroyed if it’s cheating or if it’s an unfair advatange one group has over another. But if it’s the same tool that everyone in the competition has access to, it’s fair
Funny people. I guess when someone is that good, even the molecules of air would be a topic.
I feel like increases in technology have always been a part of the advancement in sports. In order to be a better pitcher, a better batter, a better golfer, a better tennis player, etc, etc, etc, there has always been a push for the furtherment of the underlying technology with which the game is played.
If this shoe's design is capable of single-handedly advancing it's wearer's time by .05 or .1 seconds then it should be used by everyone. The same way olympic archers use insanely teched out bows and such. As long as athletes have the choice to wear it or not, it doesn't really matter to me.
Seems completely stupid to me. No one was talking about banning running spikes, how is this not the exact same
The only (admittedly minor) reason is economical bias, if a person can afford advantages shoes early in their career, it'll definitely give them an advantage in their career
Me who's not a runner : *Yea those shoes look sick, i'll wear em anytime*
Exactly why I bought them!
"Hey, those look comfortable..."
Turns out, they are!!!
And yeah, they look awesome, toi!!
Broooo track shoes are fire. Mainly because iaaf and usatf have really stringent uniform rules and do not allow for many accessories if any. Then uniforms have regulations on logo sizes. So shoes are where people show off. At the Beijing olympics, nike did those bright yellow shows that got everyone's attention and was a way to show who was sponsored by Nike without breaking the rules
I trained swimming competitively from 2009-2017. Until 2010, the winner was decided by swimsuits. Swimmers who could afford the full-body suits would swim up to 3 seconds faster than in speedos on a 55 second race. Swim caps and swim glasses also shave off milliseconds.
The year that FINA banned men's swimsuits that go above the bellybutton and over the knees was followed by 3 years of no new records.
Keep moving the goal posts and its no longer who the competitor is but what they wear, what they eat/what they use to "enhance" performance.
Notice how 3 years later someone broke the record without using the gear that was set by someone in gear? That means athletes just get better, with or without advanced tech
@@changedpace9169 That's objectively wrong. Training supplements, steroids, various medications now are far more potent than what was available when the records were established.
@@LeonBelmont1000 okay? So it’s objectively wrong to say people live longer now than they did 300 years ago, since our medication and steroids got better? You sound dumb
@@changedpace9169 no, it's okay to say humans live longer, but it's wrong to say humans per se "got better at living"
2069: every athlete need the same hair style.
They shave close to bald for runs anyways
I wasn't sure.... But inside I always knew adding lightning bolts to your side fades made you way faster
2200 Every athlete must be from the same genetic pods with same DNA, Same nutrition plan and must have lived exactly the same life and have exactly the same experiences.
@@asandax6 3000: every athlete has to be a clone of the E6245-B Model human program
@@AlexKunstar no, you have to paint your hair red, also wear red and make your shoes red, it'll make you go fasta
"oh no, these shoes are too good, they might beat current wr.."
What a joke. Run in fckn wooden crocks then
The thing is that theses aren't only shoes, they're dynamic elements with littéral springs in them.
It would be like doping
??? Bro imagine you had spring shoes while playing basket ball to make dunking easier.
Don’t stop progress, innovation is human spirit
We'll just stick wheels and jets on our shoes so
@@cedalege so let’s make it even and race barefoot.
I agree! Embrace innovation. Tech is light years better than it was say 100 years ago. The problem isn’t the runners’ issue, it’s the issue of the manufacturers. Does Adidas or New Balance have great minds that can create a competitive enough product to present an advantage? I think so, but they’re not there yet.
Well you could say the same for performance enhancing drugs
@@cedalege even better chop the limbs off, replace them with a robotic parts, then innovative more by adding wheels with twin turbo LS1 engine, then replace that with just the human head attached to a mech robot with jet propulsion...
Everything has limits, moderation applies to many things in life. An atheltes feats should only be measured and benchmarked by their human capabilities. If you add technology its not a measure of humanly limits but it's measure of tools capability.
When it comes to sports, don't be a tool, be a man.
The only way it’s fair is if everyone is wearing it. Nike has always been at the forefront of shoe tech
Is training fair only if everyone has the same? If eating well fair only if everyone eats the same food? The way i see it, the only criteria for banning it should be safety. Will the shoe kill or harm you? No, its fine. Will EPO kill or harm you? yeah it might, ban it (or keep the testing limmits in safe zone).
All shoe brands do this because it’s a rule. If one athlete is using those shoes, there has to be a pair available for any athlete who’s competing with them. If not, they can’t wear the shoe during competition.
Yeah I mean let the shoes become better man times change we should improve with it
Many would argue that Nike has also been at the forefront of destroying running form for the average man with their shoe tech.
@@wilson4180 Why would there had to be shoe for everyone. Not everyone has same conditions, same resources, same training, or genes and talents. Is that shoe a shoe (and not roller skates) and is it safe should be the only criteria for shoes.
As long as everyone has access to the same technology i don't see why we should be afraid of the change.
Previous records set without new shoes will be beaten unfairly
@@brianrichards782 Yeah that is definitely true, but it's the same with all sports, take soccer for example, where you now days have star players racking up tons of goals every season which perhaps wasn't possible before with the way soccer was back in the day. Perhaps not the best example but i think it's not a specific issue for sports that include running, rather a problem with sports records and new tech in general.
@@ABONGA71 I see what you're getting at u I think k basketball is a better example. U can argue that before the 3 point line was added players didn't have that choice to score more and after it was added players had another option to get tons of points fast
OK, that is true and I would agree with that.
However, how will Usain Blot feel when his World Record is smashed by another Sprinter who is using shoes with technology in them that HE did not have access to when he was competing?
Again, as long as ever runner has access to the same gear, technology, shoes, etc., I am fine with that. Innovation will enhance the Sport.
Yet, it's the Records and Races that are already set, and some have been standing Records for DECADES!!!
Is it fair to watch those Records get obliterated, not so much by better Athletes, but by far superior Technology?!?
@@williamherman9065 I would argue that athletes have gotten better as well, not saying all athletes but most sports have way tougher competition nowadays compared to the past. And to be fair, having your world record smashed would probably suck but so will all world records be at one point or another. Innovation is inevitable and to me it seems counterproductive to argue against innovation for that reason.
It would be interesting to see the sport divided in 2 categories.
1. equal ground, basically what we have now but maybe a little stricter.
2. pushing boundaries, everything is fair play, steroids, fancy shoes, formation running, everything to get a human from one place to the other as fast as possible. Of course there will be rules against electronics and certain drugs for the safety of the athletes, but we have sports where we punch each other in the face for competition so if they don't get a heart attack on the track it is fine by me.
how about the athlete got limb extender surgical operation. So each step would be longer lol
@@chawza8402 totally on the table, though because it would need at least a year of physical therapy after the operation I doubt a lot of people would take that risk.
"rules against electronics and ceirtan drugs"
And yet no mention of mechanical propellants, I see this as a *great* idea:
Jetpacks, some sort of reverse windmill, basic cars even
Will Usain Bolt’s legacy ever be forgotten? Even if his record IS broken? I think not. Just like how, to this day, Jesse Owens is one of the best track athletes to ever walk this Earth... despite running on dirt tracks and not having the shoe innovation we have today.
He was known because he was historically relevant - first black sprinter in the Olympic s
@@mindopotato3876 He was an ok athlete too though I think! 😜
Who is Jesse Owens?
I think the only famous sprinter is Usain Bolt.
@@vlogsbyalejandro wow. Shows what you know about running.
@@realistic_delinquent it’s sarcasm I believe
Technical improvements have always been part of sports. If they didn't happen, we would still be running barefoot
These shoes must be comfy but its not as if they have a small engine in them lol
on a side note they still say no shoe has been able to perfectly replicate and enhance the foot.... aside from contact pain.. its no better substitute
What a great great point. Ya, wow, such an insight!
I guess the problem is revolution vs evolution. No one cares if an athelete 50 years ago is eclipsed but when the fastest man to have ever lived Usain Bolt is to be eclipsed by clearly an inferior athlete after only a few years it creates ethical issues. In an evolution we can chalk it up to nutrition + technology + track, but when the step change is radical it threatens the sport's integrity just like he said.
True, let's put
wheels into runners shoes and nitro rocket into their asses so they won't even need to move ther legs. Technical improvements!
Imagine a shoe with 100 meters of stack height (I know its stupid). Then you just need to fall forward to the finish line.
i wonder if it would take longer to fall forward then to run it🤔🤔🤔
@@22crook22 with a proper jolt, gravity will do its job
Imagine the length of the "to your marks" phase
This is science. I like how you think
c whip hah science, sometimes its stupid tho
i once owned such shoes, and i can tell you with 100% certitude that it definetly DOES make you A LOT faster when running even short distances, it feels like your feet are always ahead of your center of mass, making you fast asfk
how so?
Feet ahead of centre of mass = shin splint waiting to happen lol. These kinds of shoes should exclusively be worn for races. You increase your risk of injury for speed.
If it helps preserve the athlete's health and joints, BUT gives unfair performance advantage - then I say give it to everyone - no exception, but also let other companies create similar shoes. Monopolies never turn out good in the long run.
But it is available to everyone. You can buy it at a store.
Even sponsored runners have access to it. If it matters that much, then just break the contract and wear the shoe, and win. Consequences be damned.
They have a choice to wear it, and they chose not to. Simple as that. The field is equal.
"the long run"
I see what you did there. 👍
The issue isn’t everyone having it, its everyone in the past who didn’t
@@vitsadelhole Great point, I'm sure the community will make note of the two eras., if this wishful thinking were to come true.
@@87togabito Yeah they've choosen not yo wear them them because they don't want to be disqualified!
There’s a interesting Ted talk called “Are athletes really getting faster, better, stronger?” Where he talks about the innovation in technology and how it correlated with sporting achievements. For example if we look at Jesse Owens 10.2 second 100m sprint from 1936, where he ran on wood cinders(soft surface stole a lot of energy when running), and if he ran on the same surface as Usain bolt with the starting block and specialised running surface then his time would have been a lot more competitive to today’s time
So does that mean they got weaker or not?
That is a very interesting point 🤔
@@paperbag7137 prolly the same maybe a little better over time just cause less incest in blood and people legit being bred to be athletes
@@matthewnovick5904 lmao what
@@matthewnovick5904 it seems like you didn't get his point
Video starts at 5:15. This channel reminds me of Naruto episodes. 90% flashbacks and filler, 10% new stuff.
Hahhaha
Tq
Someday these runners will learn the advantages of running with your arms straight back.
So many channels do this to reach their alloted number of ads.
i stopped watching naruto for that reason... got too boring at one point
I think its a shame the legendary performances of Usain Bolt and the others might get overtaken through better technology, but that's only because I would want to see how Usain Bolt would've done with these shoes on, how much faster could he have been.
Anyway, my point is that innovation should be rewarded. The newer generations will always have various advantages over previous generations. Better diets, nutrition supplements, workout environments...they're all just gonna get better as people's understanding of them increase. You can't stop progress.
Lol they are still running tho if you give the average person the same shoe they still won't be as fast as bolt same thing with steroids
Bolts PUMA shoes aren't that much worse than the newer generation racing shoes
That should go both ways then. Bolt had way better shoes than Michael Johnson and Carl Lewis
It's obviously not a black and white issue. Of course they don't want people wearing some propulsion rocket booster shoe, but they also aren't forcing people to run barefoot. So clearly there must be a middle ground they can agree on. Because it is without question that the whole point of shoes (or any athletic equipment) is to improve performance. We are well past safety and basic function, so it's all about the equipment making the athlete better at this point. They also shouldn't get too caught up in the context of history and records, because it is utterly useless to try create this imaginary fairytale where every athlete who ever lived is competing in the same time and place and under the same conditions.
Exactly! "It makes runners too fast" just isn´t a good reason in my opinion. It´s still a passive tech, just as the carbon inser was a passive tech. Also it´s not like the shoe is like 4 million dollars or destroys your body like doping. Everyone can just buy one and every other manufacturer can just design an equal one and then it´s an equal playin field again. What I do like though is that they decide beforehand and not ban the shoe after the fact and take away peoples victories.
Well said.
Just make athletes wear the same shoes
@@daruween1398 that doesn’t fix the problem. The issue isn’t fair competition in a single race...it’s about maintaining some level of integrity in the sport, whatever that level may be. If I run in a mile race where everyone is equally wearing super rocket shoes, and we all run under 3 minutes, how does our new world record compare to athletes who ran with no special tech?
How much are they?
The shoes aren’t creating extra energy, they are just wasting less energy. Not exactly the same as doping. Everything evolves over time, tracks get better too, training gets better, analysis gets better. As long as the shoes don’t have ways of creating additional energy above what the athlete puts in, it’s fine.
exactly
That sounds okay on paper, but from my understanding of physics, it's literally impossible for the shoes to create more energy than the runner is putting in.
If that your only restriction, then you basically have no restrictions at all. They can run with spring-loaded kangaroo shoes.
These Nike concept shoes that got rejected, might not even be the fastest thing they can make, just their attempt to barely meet the requirements of running competitions. They might have something even better if they can throw the rulebook out the window.
CreeDo Lala not if its powered by outside forces like a motor etc.
No that doesn't make sense. If we get really liberal with our definition of a shoe, we can say bikes would fit this criteria. Now obviously, bikes aren't allowed, but I'm sure if you're creative enough, you could come up with something shoe-like that gives mechanical advantages. Maybe something that hooks up to your whole leg and uses gear ratios to move the "shoe" at a different speed than your foot is moving.
Vikas Kourav more like my bike pared with this incredible athlete is faster than your bike with the same technology paired with you. You make it sound like the average joe is just as fast as the athlete with the same bike. If everybody has the bike than nobody is at an advantage.
The only solution is to have two categories: the "historical" one, where the athletes have to compete completely naked, and the "unlimited" one, where the only condition is not having active components.
Or just have shoe standards like formula one
@@quickie17 yeah
The only right answer
Just poking at the suggestions for fun (no offence intended):
Historical: Do you permit cutting hair? Tattoos? Surgery?
Unlimited: You might want to have a look at HPV racing. Marathons would reach the 30 minute mark instantly, with 20 being a realistic goal.
Shoe standards: That would require the sport to stop being about "the fastest lap around the Nurburgring *ever*". Not happening. Too much money invested into building copies of Nurburgring everywhere.
@@matejlieskovsky9625 TBH I don't understand the issue with the shoe standard approach, as that is what is already being done to some extent. Formula 1 and Nascar cars aren't exact copies of the exact same car, just heavily regulated in terms of aerodynamics, engine, suspension, etc. Running shoes are already regulated (as illustrated by the nike shoe from the vid not allowed to compete in short track), how would a more heavily regulated shoe invalidate the sport?
why ban a shoe that makes you faster in a speed competition
To exaggerate the point, if a shoe had a motor it still makes you faster. Like yeah obviously that’s a stupid examples but this is starting to push what is your power vs the shoes power.
But wouldn't that more imply people are peaking whats possible for the body alone if what your wearing can make you run faster by historic margins,just seems like people are mad about some shit when everyone of these sponsored world record athletes are welcone to buy that shoe ,like if you aren't already world class then these shoes wont make you world class
Simple: because its a competition of persons going faster not a competition of products that make persons go faster artificially. It changes the whole point. We don't want to see if whichever Nike or Adidas is better, Olympics are not a marketplace. We want to see if some person is better as is, just with his natural body and good training and nothing more.
@@saxombie8614 so why don't people run bare foot? all shoes help with running so it's already like that
Because it is a springboard.
I think it’s fair as long as everyone has access to the innovations and as the bike has evolved so has biking records so running should be no different
Perfectly said.
But then is it fair to the previous runners who no longer run anymore? I think that is where the commissions would be the most mindful of.
Should the historic records previously set just be forgotten? Should they break up the records per X years and have them standing forever within their time period?
I'm in the fence about it, because obviously the times set years and years ago are already undermined by innovation already, even outside running like you already said. Although I agree that it would only be fair if everybody had access to utilise it.
@@zsoulweaver the same energy. dirt tracks and badly designed running shoes were the norm 50 years ago, so now that we have improved tech, records should improve as well. you cant base old records in the present because then everyone would have to have the same gear and tracks
@@adenwillemburg4300 I understand that, but I'm just saying I'd imagine that is where the regulatory commission body, whatever it's called, has probably got it's concerns.
@@zsoulweaver its how its work in almost every sports. As technology and techniques evolves records get beaten. Its doesn't make the old records worthless tho. You can still very much apreciate their value when you look at the context of their time.
I’m not a sprinter but I want that shoe so bad
That's precisely the reason you want it. We average people wanna suddenly be fast
Even if these shoes improve 100m sprint times by 4% you'd have to be running 10.4s to run sub 10s. This isn't going to help the average guy beat Bolt.
@@fkhan98 Your probably aware of this but it’s crazy when it comes to professional athletes. Let’s take the fastest active Brit for instance, his PB is 9.91 and he ran that coming up to 3 years ago- with this shoes, he’s run a world record.
@@astrodeath1322 I've no problems with this. The tracks are specifically engineered to make runners faster, everybody uses spikes. As long as the new shoes are available to all it should not matter.
@@fkhan98 problem is they won’t be. If Nike make this shoe public, those signed with Adidas obviously can’t wear them meaning in most professional races, everyone signed with Nike will run faster times. Adidas will inevitably come out with even better technology and this repeats cycle will repeat itself over and over again. Eventually, you get to the point wear the technology used is more important than the athlete
3 options: everyone is gonna run barefoot OR with standart off the shelf shoes (no sponsored specialities) OR every athlete is gonna be given these special shoes
I think 🤔 we may be headed towards option three!
Yeah, I think three is the best option too, as a runner who can’t use the same shoes as everyone (Nike shoes are too thin for my foot) I think everyone should just use whatever shoe works for them, even if it gives them a advantage
Unfortunatly i agree that optinon 3 seems most likely, while it is fair for the new and upcoming runners unfortuntatly those before did not have this advantage which as he said could destroy their reputations and reccords and amazing runners
agreed 👍🏽 2 infinity ♾and beyond, but it would be nice to prove your natural abilities. BAREFOOT
@@robertleepow7786 we should have to compete on the same playing field as are ancestors, that was supposed to be the whole point of the Olympics now it's about special shoes, diet, training, even the cloths are helping, people just cheat, I will never consider these fake athletes as winners ever again!
Isn’t the advancement of world records testimony to the changing times?
You could have stopped at the sandal, the sneaker, the cleat...but here we are, beyond all that. Either create a barefoot league or let society do its thing, because competition is both human nature and the essence of the Olympics.
This is arguing minutiae. Unless they had a shoe standard for all marathon runners, the argument that it is cheating to use this shoe just doesn’t hold water. It’s innovation. If people are really concerned, then everyone should wear the same new shoe.
And not to mention that really the vast majority of the public and amature runners don't even have the techniques required to tap into what the shoes can offer, im willing to bet that I will not perform any better with these shoes.
In a way, the shoes just caught up
In my opinion it's not fair for people like Usain Bolt who are no longer in their prime age. He became the best because his training and his body type and it wouldn't be fair for him if someone could beat his record just because of the shoes.
Correct me if i'm wrong that's just how i see the situation
@@sofiansorin3632 someone still needs o be able to run decently fast without the shoes to even see improvement with them
But will the sport be based on skill and ability or technology??? .....its unfair to those who built the sport and broke records for some athlete to break it because he's wearing a shoe that can cut time off your run ...failure ...thats unjust to the sport
I mean, technology has had an undeniable effect on improvements in all sports, in leaps and bounds just like this one. Carbon fiber changed motor racing forever, fiberglass changed rowing, advanced foam changed running. It is a natural part of the cycle, and as long as all athletes have a fair shot at getting the same tech then there is no issue. Records are made to be broken, and technological advancement is part of that inevitable cycle.
We are after all, Homo Sapiens (wise men). To deny the medical science advancements, scientific training regimens, nutritional science, and athletic wear science that has enabled us to continue to evolve our athletic performance is silly. We don't run naked and barefoot on dirt, sports has become scientific and exacting, we race on bicycles, the modern javelin was specially designed with modern materials, we had to learn how to make bows, gun, and ice skates, tennis rackets, swords, boats, and half the other technologies that have continued to evolve since sports began. And yet we consider those technologies valid for olympic competition, but not shoes? That is reminiscent of the superman bicycle, it is still a bicycle, regardless of how expensive or highly engineered it is, it is still a bicycle, you could ride it into town, they're still shoes, you could wear them on a hike or in your back yard. I think banning them is a denial of what actually makes humans great and why our species has taken over the planet and has become powerful enough to play games with our greatest athletes rather than depend on them for food, labor, or protection.
Agreed
In a race like a marathon every stride and foot strike literally degrades the athlete in terms of the wear and tear on the joints. With deficient tech (in this case shoes) the athletes longevity is impacted. A shoe that returns some of that energy, to me, is quite all right. As others have noted, if all the participates are free to acquire the same tech, so be it. You’ve still got to train at a high level to even be in the ball park of a world record. I certainly agree with others who have said tech advancement is part of an evolving cycle of improvement.
agree with all of you, this should be on a news article
Bruh this shoes destroy competition. At this point don't even bother train. Just buy one of these shoes and run
Engineer who design the shoes deserves a gold medal too
So True ...is the individual wearing the shoes....bolt wear Puma...
So, to ensure that tech assistance doesn't pervert future world records we should use the traditional dress of the ancient Greek Olympians, right?
Being a Kenyan 🇰🇪 , it's always great seeing Kipchoge and other athletes representing us. They are a huge source of pride and seeing them being highlighted here put a smile on my face 😄
On the subject of the shoes, I think it would be better to embrace the innovation. Let them be standardised for all athletes.
Yeah ok, be proud.
But I think it has been proven that in Kenia there also was some cheating.
@@robinred1851 Really?
I am American, and I have loved Athletics/Competitions all my life. Just about any kind of Sport, Competition, Race, Match, etc... I will watch it or perticipate/play it.
I, like the rest of the World, have marveled at the utter Dominance of the Kenyan Distance Runners for decades now. I LOVE watching them run. It is simultaneously mesmerizing and inspiring!!
However, I have never, ever heard anything about them "cheating" in their Marathons or any other races.
Do you have any information, links, or anything _specific_ about these allegations you have put forth?
@@robinred1851 ha! Link my dude.
If everyone has access to the same equipment it isn’t cheating , it’s just people utilizing the tools/equipment to its fullest potential
If everyone has access to the the same perfomance drugs is it still cheating?
@@neilpieterse9614 it’s shoes, drugs enhance the body of the person
@@neilpieterse9614 if the drug isnt against the rules then no.
Yeah but old records become meaningless. Especially if you can't break it without the aid of the spikes. The person who set the previous record didn't use it.
@@datname1939 yea ... and ? , sports tech , training and nutrition ALL evolve over time ,
i feel like the big concern would be accessibility: if most people could get access to the viperfly, then i think it would be fine
I would counter and say ALL competitors should have access to it. If sponsorships ban you from wearing Nike and you lose its on you and your sponsor.
If its cost prohibited then say no go to the shoes unless they provide them at the event for everyone to use that day.
@@OffWalrusCargo yeah, actually that makes sense
Accessibility is an advantage like any others. Will you start denying fit people access to competitions? How about diet? How about specialised.
Life isn’t fair. What makes a race any different? We go into any competitions trying to gain as much of an advantage over our competitors as possible.
@@87togabito Life isn't fair is not an argument though. Under that logic someone riding a motorcycle in a bicycle race is ok because hey life isn't fair.
Things aren't fair but that doesn't mean the attempt should not be made to make things as fair as possible.
That includes the analyzing not just immediate consequences but secondary, tertiary and quaternary consequences of a decision.
@@nocare What are regulations. It's beyond stupid that money shouldn't be allowed to be spent by those who can and want to. How the hell do you think gokarting works? Guess what a lot of people can't even participate what so ever, let's force the government to step in and buy everyone identical gokarts.
Usain is such a thunderbolt, that they need entire team designing shoes just to catch up.
Eventually we can just watch the shoes race...we wont need the runners
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underrated comment 🤣🤣🤣😂
@@theeboyy23 So true
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2045 gon be crazy
I think this could actually benefit the sport as a whole. Imagine having an official list of shoes to pick for each race, each one favouring different aspects of running. It might seem like an outlandish comparison, but it might add the same feeling of allocating tires for an F1 race. All and all, I think this could potentially better the sport if done correctly.
I agree, it would make the sport so much more interesting and be good for it, but it would also destroy the "peak human performance" aspect of the world records. In terms of competition and sport it's fine, but we need to keep separate categories kind of like video game speedrunning having 100% and any% categories.
Sport WR vs Human WR or something like that.
@@foxxinrox yeah there's a similar thing with powerlifting records for bench press. There are shirts that basically are super tight and spring load your arms to shoot back up when benching, so they also keep a "raw" record for people who don't use that stuff
@@JareBralTer Bro they use steroids
@@fica1137 Complete and total ideocracy from you my friend. @bladewrks was simple stating that there has been a creation of divisions in order to separate those whom use equipment (Equipped Lifting) and those who do not use the performance boosting equipment (Raw Lifting). I could see this being a thing that happens to many other Olympic sports in the future in order to ensure level competitive field regardless of time period in which you compete.
As a person who doesn't watch sports it would be fascinating to see new disciplines emerge not so much focused on only physical ability. It's great for athletes to achieve these feats without equipment but I think it'd be more beneficial for people in general to explore assisting technologies as long as it won't create hostile or exploitative relationships with companies like Nike because of their monopoly on development of new shoes for example.
If everyone has the best shoes doesn’t that just mean the fastest wins?
SMART BOI
But it's unfair for previous record holders who did not had these shoes
@@Djangolavella I guess you can say the same about innovative training methods and diets.
yes you could, but I think it's something different to improve your own buddy or it's capabilities(not doping or robitic legs etc. but like you said new training methods) than the gear you are using because it is not something you can change only with pure will (and maby luck with good genetics but thats another topic)
@@Djangolavella records were made to be broken.
What bothers me about this "controversy" is that it seemingly bypasses basic physics. Having a shoe with "superior energy return" doesn't give an unfair advantage because a shoe can't exactly MAKE you run faster but it ALLOWS you to run faster by providing superior traction, comfort, energy return, etc. A more advanced shoe simply allows an athlete to extract more of their physical potential. People are acting as if the shoe is exerting some sort of extra inherrent force (other than what the runner provides) which is simply impossible given its design; its not like this shit has a rocket propelled booster shooting out the back it's literally just a better designed sprinting shoe.
I mean is it really cheating if it’s in the open market for everyone to buy regardless of price?
Some athlethes are limited because of their sponsors... if nike has the patent, than adidas sponsored athletes are disadvantaged
yes. I can buy some steroids in the open market but that is cheating
@@avatar962 As soon as their is a Nike version the concurrence will start doing a version as good as this or better.
@@avatar962 The sponsor doesnt care about the athletes personal preference, they just want their brand to be shown so they either let them choose the gear they want or add a cosmetic item that doesnt change the original design of whatever theyre using but still shows off their brand. the shoe is also allowed 6 months in the open market before it can be used in an official race so your point sucks.
I'll admit, the whole passing the debate onto us... or hell having the debate at all without actually providing any actual data beyond "it broke the rules" (without even specifying how) or "it can make people faster by an unspecific margin" is kind of disengenuous and pointless. I get maybe we don't actually have these factors... But if we don't have like any information, what's the point of saying something is wrong or not? It just doesn't make any sense. Like generally I'm in favor of innovation as well, but when you say that it's cutting it close to crossing the line... Where's that line? How close is it? What are you even basing that on other than rumors that it's really good?
I just don't see the point in attempting this specific debate under this context, mostly because there is no meaningful context under which to host a debate.
I agree with you, opinions should be based on facts, not on rumours.
The point is that he wants comments so that he gets more engagement and more viewers and more money 😉
The specific rules aren't that important though. Those shoes were dismissed because of concerns that the blade was a secondary spring, but the wider question is whether the technology and innovation in shoes is something that need regulating as a concept.
I agree with this, without anything to debate neither side has a platform to stand upon as the basis of their argument other than personal conjecture.
I understand your point but I guess there shouldn't even be a debate. Just allow everything.
Compare shoes from 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, etc. It goes in one directions. Improvement is visible but at the end there is a runner who breakes the record. Usain Bolt had much better shoes than Jessie Owens.
But it is also about different training methods, more medical checks and adjusting training to the current results. Also different nutition helps. A lot of things has changed in favour of future results. We know more we perform better.
Well we need some rules on what is allowed to wear on your feet. Who knows what Bolt could run with a pair of running blades like these? ua-cam.com/video/dkeo5Dp-r78/v-deo.html
They looked at it. And if Jesse Owens was in today's 100 meters he'd be a hundredth of a second behind bolt.
dont forget psychology.. it is real in top sports, that they hold mind focused... not sure if they use drugs too
"nutrition"
having athletes spend a few months at high altitude before they fly to the lowlands to compete increases their lungs capacity for oxygen intake.
there has been cheating of some kind in sports for decades.
The shoes didn't run the race, they were attached to a flesh and blood human being who trained for months and devoted hours everyday to train and ate a diet to keep them lean.
as long as EVERY athlete has access to the same tools, it cant really be labled a competitive advantage in my opinion. Old records are meant to be broken, and should be goals and motivators. By stubbing innovation to prevent breaking those records, i feel like its hurting the sports integrity more than it would if it let the the innovation occur. If we compared Usain Bolts shoe to one made 20 years prior, I think we would see similar levels of athlete speed disparities, right?
Maybe if all athletes in the sport are sponsored by their country. The United States does not sponsor its athletes. Search for a video titles "Why Olympians are broke" by Business Insider
I think the issue is, it gives people the wrong impression of being fit and athletic if you push to much into the innovation sphere of things; Records are there to show the performance of the individual and not he performance of the gear they are wearing.
If they split it into tech vs non you'd end up having the Olympic games being held over a longer period of time and honestly, newer generations of people don't really care to much for sports so attention will slowly wane and they'd end up hearing or seeing these inventions some where else anyways.
@@jmob054 its a pair of nike shoes not a lambo
ABSOLUTELY
2031: first DQ for performance enhancing underwear.
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Already a thing in powerlifting
@@KBergs when did that happen?🧐
@ IPF has regs against wearing underwear that covers your legs. Briefs only. Certain leg wear can improve your lifts basically.
@@KBergs wtf
If anyone knows anything about swimming, they’ll know the sport had been through the same type of controversy, except this time it was the use of polyurethane materials in suits. Some swimmers reportedly swam up to a half-second faster every 50m. It eventually led the the conclusion that these suits would ruin the sport. FINA would go on to ban these suits starting the 2010 season, and we got a glimpse of what could have been otherwise, when Michael Phelps was beaten by Paul Biederman from Germany at the 2009 World Championship, in an event that Phelps usually destroyed the competition in. Phelps consistently lowered the world record down to a 1:42.9 at the 2008 Beijing Games. Unfortunately, Phelps couldn’t wear the suit in 2009, because Speedo, his sponsorship, didn’t make them, so he had to “deal with it”. He lost that 200 Free in probably the most unfair way possible because Biederman was in that new suit, which lowered the world record down to a 1:42.0.
Still not as crazy as setting a 50 m record fully submerged the whole time.
So did Michael avenge the record?
@@huskiehuskerson5300 actually swimmers just got faster even after tech suit bans. Rules and strategies keep optimizing.
There's a bit more to this story.
In 2008 Speedo unveiled the LZR Racer. It was at the time the most innovative and high tech suit swimming have ever seen. Its composition of around 50% polyurethane improved the swimmers hydrodynamics and proved buoyancy that made maintaining an ideal body position in the water easier.
The results were spectacular, to be competitive at the highest level of the sport you simply had to wear the suit. At the 2008 Olympics 98% of all medalist wore the suit, and 25 world records fell.
And Michael Phelps, the greatest swimmer of all time, was the main global ambassador for Speedo. For each one of his famous 8 golds and 7 world records at the 2008, he wore the LZR.
Already questions were being raised and controversy was brewing.
In 2009, competitors of Speedo Arena and Jaked introduced the Arena X-Glide and the Jaked 01. These suits were made of 100% polyurethane, and proved to be an even more ridiculous upgrade to swimmers speed than the LZR.
Over the course of 2009, 147 new world records were set (not all of them were ratified) and right before the 2009 World Championship, where 43 world records would be set, FINA banned the suits, requiring that all suits be made of textile materials and limiting were the body could be covered by the suits, effective as of the 1st of January 2010.
That brings us to Biederman's infamous victory over Phelps. Phelps defeat put a media spotlight on what the plastic swim suits were doing to the sport, but also ushered in a strange narrative that Phelps was a victim in all of this, when he in fact swam that race in a suit that would also be banned and helped usher in the tech suit revolution.
By this time there was a sentiment among swimmers that this had all gone to far, one that was echoed by Biederman himself following his victory over Phelps, but that didn't stop them from Swimming as much as the could that year to cement themselves in the record books. People were afraid that these records would never be touched once the suits were banned.
However over a decade later those fears have not come to fruition. Of the 40 events in the Long Course pool (the olympic standard), all but 2 records fell in 2008-2009. Today, only 12 of these "supersuit" records remain.
They are (the fastest in textile in parentheses)
Mens 50m free: 20.91 Cesar Cielo 2009 (21.04 Calaeb Dressel 2019)
Mens 100m free: 46.91 Cesar CIelo 2009 (46.96 Calaeb Dressel 2019)
Mens 200m free: 1:42.00 Paul Biederman 2009 (1:43.14 Yannick Angel 2012)
Mens 400m free: 3:40.07 Paul Biederman 2009 (3:40.08 Ian Thorpe 2002 - Though the suit he wore was textile, it would still be banned under todays rules. The fastest in a legal suit today was by Sun Yang* in 2012 at 3:40.14)
Mens 800m free: 7:32.12 Zhang Lin 2009 (7:38.57 Sun Yang* 2011)
Mens 200m backstroke: 1:52.92 Aaron Piersol 2009 (1:52.96 Ryan Lochte 2011)
Mens 400m IM: 4:03.84 Michael Phelps 2008 (4:05.18 Ryan Lochte 2012)
Mens 4x100 free relay: 3:08.24 USA 2008 (3:09.06 USA 2019)
Mens 4x200 free relay: 6:58.55 USA 2009 (6:59.70 USA 2012)
Mens 4x100 medley relay: 3:27.28 USA 2009 (3:27.91 USA 2017)
Womens 200m freestyle: 1:52.98 Federica Pellegrini 2009 (1:53.61 Allison Schmitt 2012)
Womens 200m butterfly: 2:01.81 Liu Zige 2009 (2:04.06 Jiao Liuyang 2012)
Coincidentally, the records that survived the "supersuit" onslaught, the Men and Women 1500m freestyle, were some of the first records to fall in the post 2009 era of swimming.
* - Sun Yang has recently come under much scrutiny for allegations of doping. This is a long, complicated, and ongoing saga that has seen him test positive for banned substances, and possibly being banned from the sport. The legitimacy of his incredible performances is suspect.
@@randomchannel-px6ho Good post. I am entirely expecting the 50 and 100m men's free to be destroyed by Dressel this summer, that man is a monster. Murphy has a good shot at the 200m backstroke as well. Considering how competitive all of the relays have gotten I wouldn't be surprised if the Brits or Americans take the 4x100 free or medley down too in Tokyo. The Brits at 2019 world champs were insane.
Everything improves over time. Look at stuff like cycling, they sure improved those bikes a hell of a lot over the years, why is a shoe any different? As long as all racers are allowed access to the same stuff then what is the issue. The reason Drugs were so bad is because it was a "hidden" advantage.
technology evolves, this seems unavoidable. as long as this type of shoes are avaliable for everyone and not just a "special order" for someone, i think it's fair
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The problem is that they are not available to their competition in the record books.
This is not a new precedent, they took the javelin world record away from Seppo Raty in the 90s after they decided that the new Nemeth javelin designs were too good.
@@jelliott8424 Sure, but for decades people used to run on dirt tracks. And no one used starting blocks. And they definitely didn't have access to today's nutrion, training or specialized medicines. Technology advances. It is life.
1968 Olympics, the banned the PUMA "Brush Spikes" for similar reasons after seeing missive performance leaps the previous year. The same should happen here.
@@st3wi3D to my understanding, their competitor Adidas intervened heavily with the reason that the spikes would damage the running tract. Later a new rule was set that running shoes would not have more than 6 spikes. As big as Nike, I dont think they would ever lose to other competitors that easy, so I think these shoes may well be a new standard.
probably the most unique Nike commercial I've ever seen...
Lmao kinda true
In an age of rapidly improving technology, things like this are unavoidable.
If we stop improvements in technology, where would we be? It's just like adjustments to bits on F1 cars, all meant to give tbe competitor an edge. Any improvement should be made welcome unless it's a danger to life or limb.
How are these thing unavoidable? They obviously denied the shoe. The sport is also fundamentally changed and it is not as natural as before, you might as well start using a swimming jet pack for swimming
@@timmy4312 Comparing a jet pack to a shoe. Okay.
@@normang3668 it's the same thing
@@timmy4312 no it isn't.. but ok
I want the nike Viperfly to come out I think it should be allowed and I think as long as it's not drugs that are making you faster in the 100m it should be allowed because it's an amazing track Spike designed to make you way faster in the 100m and as long as it's not a drug of any type it should be allowed and it's not cheating
It is fair, as long as every athlete competing has access to these shoes .
But ulsan bolt didn't have access to these shoes when he set the world record so it is unfair to historical runners. But I don't care about sports records so whatever.
@@Songer80 and others before did not have Usain's genes / legs / body proportions w/e else when they set world record, that was not fair either ....
@@Songer80 and Jesse Owens didn’t have access to Bolts shoes, does that make it unfair? No. Technology is advancing and we have to embrace it
Nothing you can do about human body and genetics that natural and how its suppose to be measured, not by who can make best shoes to get an edge, those shoes had not only that spring but also air bubbles which also acts like a spring
@@HovaSwerve yeah, but anyone can get the same shoe... therefore the difference in genetics is more unfair than new shoes
It’s interesting how similar running has become to formula 1. Innovation and speed vs tradition and integrity.
and thats a bad thing why? are archers supposed to use wooden bows over their compound counterparts? are soccer players supposed to play with balls filled with feathers and on dirt fields? innovation should be praised, records are meant to be broken
@@adenwillemburg4300 I was just comparing the two sports because there’s a similar fight between technology and tradition in both. In my opinion faster tech should be encouraged but there should be a clear line drawn so we don’t have blowing up drivers or racers on moonshoes. The shoes in the video are in a grey area that I think are acceptable but many disagree.
@@Adam-de8jm kinda reminds me of last year's DAS system, which wasn't even really against the rules but had to be removed because of the opposing teams lol
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 High level sport has always been “pay to win”, very rarely does someone not have a sponsor to cover costs and tools since the beginning of televised sports. The difference is that F1 engineers are directly connected to the driver, shoe companies aren’t.
“If everyone is super NO ONE IS”-Incredible’s
Edit: this is so nice that you guys thought this was funny made my day
Give me any of the shoes in this video and I couldn’t run a mile without taking a break, it’s taking from the human, it’s bullshit, give everyone the shoes and tell them to prove it
@@attoboi9763 The whole point is that it undermines the previous records, its about WHO was fastest, not which shoe.
The same argument applied to Oscar Pistorius, a blade runner with no legs, did having blades with a spring like action give him an unfair advantage over athletes with legs?
@@bendoverRSA records are meant to be broken..
@@21sled Broken fairly, that is. If there is a competition about the fastest propeller-powered plane and a fighter jet shows up to beat it, then it ruins the competition completely. This competition is about the fastest person, not the fastest shoe..
@@ay-leck1369 alright and what happens when it comes to the point where records literally can’t be broken, like it would be physically impossible
1. This is just 2020s configuration of a 60s-70s brush spike problem. It's simply returning energy at too great a rate, and so it can't work.
2. Anyone here own an early 1990s Mizuno long jump shoe? It bet you this Nike is making you think of that....
3. Much more benefit is conferred by the plate geometry and midfoot components than the "fang". I will put money on this.
And YT please continue your insipid know-nothing commentary.
If you don’t have a problem with Pole vaulters moving from wood and bamboo to fiberglass, then you shouldn’t have a problem with these shoes.
I guess the argument against this is that the pole may change material but I’m guessing the general structure and design of poles is relatively constant. And each competitor gets the benefit. For shoes it would create a monopoly for Nike, at least until someone else can challenge
I think the problem is that when you start putting all this stuff in the shoes is it actually the runner or just the shoes that are making them this fast
@@CarlosGonzalez-mr4co "i think the problem is that when you start putting all this stuff in the pole is it actually the vaulter or just the pole making them go high"
Alot of people don't care about pole vaulting
@@Andre83572 I totally share your opinion ! Innovation in any way helps us become the next us. I only have one drawback on this situation : a brand like Nike has the money to get each one of these innovation years before the other. It could create, as have been seeing for some years now, a domination of 1 brand in the overall athletic field. I think it results in Nike having more power in the world athletic decisions, the overall organisation etc...
I don't know if my idea is clear, but this situation makes me think of the GAFAS (google, Microsoft...) who we now criticise cause they got too much leverage in too many decisions around the globe.
As long as they are available to everyone let them is the best technology we have.
So are PEDs
that would undermine past records and in addition who says you can’t just put spring on your feet then?
@@JoeMama-tf3pn we used to run in converse. No matter what modern shoes we use to run now, we'll do better than we did before.
@@WICK_3D it just seems unfair that someone who is physically slow will inevitably beat someone who is faster due to better technology in the future
@@jackscully5459 PEDs are used regardless, WADA, the IOC can't do anything about it because they allow it.
Cameraman can break all records with just slippers.
Bro the cameraman in Flash is using 3% of his power lmao
Yup
“We should make an Olympics where athletes can take as many drugs as they want. F**k it, let’s see how high humans can REALLY jump.”
-Reddit
I Swear, if a person steps on the back of my shoe they better not be wearing those viperflys.
Bled out
Cut up your whole ankle
It would be worse if they step on your toes
I'll use them for basketball and step on feet of whoever put their feet on my landing spot during rebound.
Unpopular opinion: other brands, catch up and even the playing field. Then let everyone see that it boils down to the athlete’s capabilities above all
Agreed! At the end of the day it will always come down to natural ability. The cream will always rise to the top.
That cannot be relied upon. I wrote a comment explaining how exactly this scenario happened in the swimming world. A German swimmer called Paul Biedermann became a multi world record holder in a single year, solely due to his ability to afford and adapt to the available technology. In the years before and since he was barely an Olympic finalist caliber swimmer. His records stand 11 years later. Same applies to Cesar Cielo Fihlo of Brazil and Aaron Piersol of the USA.
@@WeRmarshallJR not only natural ability also hard work
Its beings in an unfairness to old world records tho and I think that's where the issue lies. We trying to compare to the history if running. But just my opinion
@@parkerworden5171 hard work is definitely part of it. Didn’t mean to discount it. My point was that these spike won’t take an average joe and turn them into a world class sprinter.
Records are made to be broken.
Innovation doesn't create an unfair advantage for participants, as long as everyone has access to said innovation.
Bolts achievements will always stand tall, even if his record is broken.
Well, if only a limited number of people have access to them it's unfair. But I think that is not the case with these shoes...
@Rama problem is that it is already the case,
From the track itself, to the training, training equipment, nutrition, research on the human body and its efficiency, the shoes, "drugs" allowed and etc... they're all much better than 50 years ago.
the only difference is that some improvements are too good, such as the shoes in the vid.
@@bdeheer most of third world country athletes can not afford to buy this type of shoes Due to the high price
@@alexperez6258 ...... its just a fuqin shoe. costing no more than 300$. any third world country athlete can afford it to represent their country. do u seriously think people from third world country are soo poor they cant even afford a damn shoes?
@@alexperez6258 Are these shoes so much more expensive than other high quality running shoes? Do those other high quality running shoes give benefits over running bare foot or on cheap shoes? People need equipment for most sports which has a cost. This seems on the low end.
Great , we make tech, get diplomas n not compete...." what an opportunity, for blacks of africa,to show their qualities " . Bs .
Absolutely should be allowed, Shoes are part of the evolution of the sport. If we are worried about fairness we can make a bearfoot category
So does that mean that high jumpers can use a shoe that utilizes springs on the bottom? 🤦♂️
@@NeverEnoughPyro40 its a carbon plate - do yourself a favour and put your feet in a carbon plated shoe and then you'll realise how trivial the increase in performance is. This video is highly dramatised for views and impact.
@@alwynkotze9891 i dont think you understand how big of a deal even 2% is
Which this is even greater then
If you had a boost of 4% and you had the 20th fastest time for a runner
You might now have the 7th
@@thatdamncrow9197 nah, you still the 20th because everyone has the same 4% increased performance from the shoe.
@@NeverEnoughPyro40 If everyone can wear this shoe, why not?
I think that they did the right decision but I wanna know the times
I feel exactly the same
Maybe 0.15s max
I kinda wish we had a "anything goes" division where people could wear crazy shoes and dope if they want. But keep it separate from the "restricted" division
@@MrZoora23 hahahha bad guys dont wanna do that because it would turn out worse than non doped and no assistant. They wanna trash whats clean to make themselves apear better. People already asked them about it and they always make some lame excuses as: we dont want people to destroy their lives or how do we know clean guys arent cheating...
Yoooooo. Same colin
Give everyone the same shoe, swimsuit, or gear and see what happens. 🤷🏾♂️
yea i feel like if one is allowed to wear the viperfly, the viperfly should be given to all runners, otherwise just don't allow it
You are the goat lol
It doesn't matter for us mere mortals, but for legendary athletes at their peak, even a peice of equipment that allows one to shave off a thousandths of a second can be considered unfair if say they were competing against someone who is equally as good but is poor.
Too much money involved with sponsors for anything like that to happen. Also it doesn't change the fact that new technology would be giving an unfair advantage to the current athletes competing against long standing records.
@@cobra7282 Technology will improve and it will impact future scores. A portable asthma pump is an advancement in technology. An ice bath, icy hot, massage guns, aspirin, shoe insoles, jersey fabric, Gatorade, etc. are all advancements in sports technology. I understand that ONE shoe might give an unfair competitive advantage. Even if you have people run barefoot, a wealthier team/country could still have an unfair advantage. Again, if everyone has a STANDARD shoe & equipment, then that would make it as fair as possible.
LOL! you should try wear it, if you can achieved world record! Come on! These guys work so hard! Give them the credit!
your thumbnail says, world record cheating?.... why TF did you feel the need to put bolt's pic up on it? oh, for views
We all know why
If you would know something about the topic you would know bolt never wore this shoes
Riiiight
What do u mean... he put bolts pic up cos he is one of the main subjects in the video... the wr cheating is clearly directed at the viperflys. Its very easy to see 👀
@@caidenjohnston65 bolt is in the video, but he isn't the one wearing those shoes. Put the p[ic of the athlete who performed in it for the WR.
We should have both the “naked” run, and then the open division to use anything you want!
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 yeh leme get my jet
Time to get the drugs...
@@lilreecepuffs525 Yeah let me get my machine gun
I think I still got some roller skates, hold on
Imagine being concerned about new shoe technology and not new doping schemes
Then how do you propose to detect the latest doping tech, smart guy? Lend them your infinite wisdom.
@@sepg5084
1) Not enough money is being spent on doping detection. Many weaknesses in the system still exist (almost as if the sector didn’t learn or doesn’t want to learn from the Armstrong scandal). F.e. saline solutions are extremely prevalent and drug tests are not sensitive enough (even though they could be).
2) Not enough tests are administered
3) Not enough is done to prevent fraud and scandals (officials of big teams almost always know when a supposed “unnanounced drug test” will occur)
It's probably 2 different departments working on fixing the issues.
Look at the bright side, a part of an overall issue is being fixed.
@@sepg5084 you got owned aren't ya
Yes, higher technology can help to increase the 100 meter sprints. Why can't technology be used to enhance sports. Look at pole vaulting, tennis, etc. Dont tell me that they should outlaw the new poles because it has increased the performance?
Disclaimer : This video is sponsored by NIKE.
KIBIWOTT KANDIE BREAKS HALF MARATHON WORLD RECORD WEARING ADIZERO ADIOS PRO
@@costag7241 and you must work for adidas 😉
@@MikeBNumba6 must’ve mustered mustard mister my stir must mast a musk mask.
If Usain could have run with Viper Fly's, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
That's the point
Well Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson etc didn't run with whatever Usain ran in either. It's just the nature of progress. His record isn't going to last forever. And that's okay. Records are made to be broken.
‘His record’ ... Which one? Bolt has many records. 100m, 200m, 4x100m, triple triple- 9 Olympic golds in three games.
@@bumface1810 no the 4x100 they lost it because 1 got caught doping.
Bolt don't wear nike
Maybe we should go back in time to the ancient Greek olympiad where everyone was nearly naked and barefoot. Just let athletes compete on whatever level they feel comfortable with.
There was a man that won a gold medal at Marathon running barefoot because his shoes did not fit well.
Abebe Bikila
C'mon Cliff...just admit it. We're all tolerant here. We won't judge you.
I'm not sure how I feel about it when talking about Olympic and world records, can you really say you've beat the previous record when you have a clear, even defined 4% advantage over the previous record holder? If I were the previous record holder I'm not sure I'd be too happy about it.
In other events when a standard is changed like a different javelin is used for example, previous world records are kept as a separate record and are no longer official records, with the newer standard having the new official records because it no longer makes sense to compare the records with different standards. Surely running shouldn't be any different.
On the other hand, if you were the previous record holder, you also surely used more advanced gear than previous record holders…
@@colinbrash True, although this does look like quite the leap forward in running shoes, you're probably right all the same.
Even if it's a gradual improvement that must stack up a bit over time so new records don't compare well with old.
A difficult thing to regulate I suppose, without making everyone where the same shoes year in year out anyway, that's the only solution I can think of.
Don’t understand what all of this Fuss is about just add any% category in running and you good to go
wait till they have to start specifying (glitchless)
@@jon...5324 or make a non power up catagory...
100m%
Tool assisted
I feel like everyone should just have the best shoes possible
@Saqueeb Brown so what? If you compare the equipment Usain Bolt had to the the equipment of world record setting athletes 50 years or 60 years ago, there would be a huge difference in performance. Still, his record stands. The only way of keeping it fair in your perception would be to scratch all standing records throughout history and to force every athlete to wear the same exact shoes from this point forward. Pretty nonsensical isn't it?
@@iVironment on point
Everyone? Or just the people who can afford them?
If we make it that the olympic committee provides the best shoes for everyone, they obviously don't provide it for the up and coming maybes. So one athlete has a rich family or country behind them, and they train all their lives on the best equipment, while a better runner but poorer financially trains on crappier equipment, and gets given a new pair of shoes to wear in and learn how to work with on the eve of their olympic debut? I agree it should be faire, but not sure how to do it so it's REALLY fair.
@@barryschwarz for that logic a poor athlete need to train and probably work and can't just dedicate himself to the sport as someone with better financial resources so it can't ever be fair because what you do next? Not everyone can buy this shoes then ban them not everyone can live to just train then ban the people that don't have a job and train?? Everyone has the same opportunity to save money and buy a shoe that "might" help u but I won't become Bolt just because a shoe and at the end of the day u can't now how good anyone could be if they dedicated solely to a sport
Who wore their All Stars to the race? Someone was wearing a pair of Crocks at finish line? They cheating backwards?
the Olympics are a competition to show the absolute peak of humanity, athletes wear the best clothing they can, the best equipment possible, what have you. I say let the shoe companies go wild, we want to see faster and faster times, better and better competition, sure, it's tough to let Usain Bolt's record get beaten with a change like equipment, but I much prefer for competition to get more competitive. Only real issue I have with it is this idea that it's unfair, but I think the Olympics should be done with the same shoes all around providing whatever top of the line equipment any other athlete has, javelins need to be the same, weights need to be the same, why wouldn't shoes work the same?