LIVE TRIAL | MA. v Karen Read Trial - Judge Declares A MISTRIAL
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THE DOCKET
0:00 Welcome
1:40 The Jury is at an Impasse
6:20 Judge Declares a Mistrial
8:45 Status Hearing Set - July 22, 2024 @ 2pmET
17:50 Watching the Mistrial Again
25:51 Defense Press Conference
30:22 Summary
34:00 Q&A
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I can't believe this is how it ends when the prosecution's own witness said they didn't think the victim was hit by a car... THAT'S THE WHOLE CASE!
Not necessarily. And it does get dicey regarding the specific charges. Did she ram him over with him in the center full speed? No. The evidence doesn't support that. I think we can all agree there are other ways she could have done it using the car. Could she have bumped Into him at an angle similar to the prosecutions theory at a lesser speed, with the snow causing him to zoom down then smack his head? or dragged him with him flying off as she turned and she sped away? Possible. And that would still be considered a hit and run/vehicular homicide. Even if the cause of death was the head smacking the Pavement and hypothermia. She lied minutes after dropping him off in those voicemails. The taillight is also interesting and I can go into that if you want. But I can see why they jurors would be fine with voting guilty. But did the prosecution do a bad job in their time constraints of proving likely manner of death involving the car? No. Hopefully it will be retried with better experts.
@@cookiealexd123but their pathologists didn't specify that the prosecution theory was implausible woth his injuries (the defense did), she said that in general the injuries didn't fit being hit by a car period
@@cookiealexd123everything you just stated is reasonable doubt, lol. There's no actual proof she did it and intended to do it. Obviously I don't know the truth just like you but I watched the whole trial and there is plenty of reasonable doubt.
The judge clearly said if the prosecutions theory is only equal to another theory they havent proven their case. The prosecutions case is clearly improbable. They cant explain how his injuries or lack of injuries can result from being hit by a car. Someone on the jury believes she did it without any evidence. Just trusting the police narrative and even disregarding the medical examiner.
Almost like the people who thought KR was guilty - went in there thinking guilty. In saying that life is a journey-
Imagine watching Trooper Paul as a juror and thinking "Nailed it."
Omg seriously. Compared to the literal geniuses the defense had
😂😂🤣🤣
That's what I was thinking. We live amongst ppl that really think like this, scary times.
I threw out all of proctors evidence and taillights kerffufle and loved the defense witnesses and I would be part of this mistrial for sure as part of the juror. What a nightmare of a case.
@@makeuplayshaa this is the problem. This country has a problem. Half the people don't believe in science and facts. They simply believe "well because I think so." it's insane, I swear this ignorance is a malignant cancer spread all over the place. Anyone with a brain could see the state did a terrible job.
The fact that they didn’t return a “Not Guilty” verdict within the first two hours of deliberation is beyond terrifying… The prosecution didn’t come within a country-mile of proving a single charge ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’.
This outcome shatters any remaining faith I had in the US justice system, and confirms a troubling reality: there must undoubtedly be tens of thousands of patently innocent people locked up in American prisons for crimes they clearly did not commit.
Utter insanity.
Of course, prison industrial complex needs slave labor. Look at 13th amendment. How else are they going to fill the prisons and make money on their back? Private prisons are a dystopian concept.
Let's not forget that many has not the privilege to hire good defense lawyers. Most defendants are assigned overworked underpaid burnt-out public defenders.
It's all by design.
🎯 LOUDER for the people in the back!
I'm beyond shocked. I can't see how they proved he was hit by a vehicle of any sort
They didn't sad our peers are that nonsensical
It’s a Mistrial with no verdict. She can be charged again if the prosecutor wants to. She’s still innocent.
I don't know why I'm surprised. We still have people who believe the Earth is flat. Now we have people who rebuke science because they have some blind loyalty to law enforcement.
It is flat, isn’t it?
So valid
Yep. Waiting for that lunar eclipse that is just a line
So, the bottom line is you need millions to defend yourself.
Bingo!!
I guess the DA were hoping she didn't have the money to fight their bogus charges. Better to be broke and free than in prison for something she didn't do. Parents might go broke too if there's a retrial
@@emmasanders6226 that’s why most take plea deals.
@@45squareand that's why they scattershot lesser charges, hoping they'll bite
How much did it cost the state of MA?
OMG! Emotions have absolutely NO place here, there is scientific evidence that she did not hit him with a car! So I’m sorry, that Juror has absolutely NO business being on a jury, this is ridiculous and their incompetence as a juror is no different than the incompetence of this police department. And if this is a plant or a local police department fan, I hope the FBI can get this cleaned up. This is entire town is beginning to look suspicious.
I can’t believe this jury heard the same testimony that I did. The prosecution didn’t prove their case.
We do also get commentary and opinions online. They are experiencing something far different.
PERIOD. You can’t argue with Science.
@@Weddingplanner74 In this case there is no scientific smoking gun that points to what killed him, only what was less likely to have happened. I can see people defaulting back to witness statements and what the defendant herself said. Those statements along with the tail light pieces are the entire case. Its not enough for most, but it was enough for some and I think that has to be respected. We don't all see things the same way.
@@Blackened30 There might not be a smoking gun that points to what killed him, but there are dozens of smoking guns strewn about that point in pretty much any direction EXCEPT for a vehicular collision. Two experts with years of training and experience specifically in the field of reconstructing accidents from both a mechanical and biomechanical point of view saying in no uncertain terms that both the damage to the vehicle and injuries to JO were entirely inconsistent with a vehicle-pedestrian collision and would effectively have to overcome the physics and mathematics as we understand them isn't indicative that it was "less likely to have happened," it's a pretty definitive indication that it COULDN'T have happened.
The fact that "we don't all see things the same way" doesn't prevent one of the parties involved from being objectively wrong. Plenty of people out there are convinced that the Earth is flat. The fact that they see something differently than the majority of us doesn't make their opinion worth of respect or consideration, because their opinion on the matter is in direct conflict with scientific evidence that blatantly contradicts their views. And that complete disregard for physical reality in favor of "Well, that's not what I think is the case" absolutely doesn't have to be respected.
The jury didn't hear the testimony of some experts and witnesses that we did. Don't forget, the jury has to leave the room sometimes. We as viewers do not.
Better than a conviction but I’m still not happy with the whole thing.
No one deserves more blame than the judge for this giant waste of time.
Both sides wanted the trial delayed.
Plus after 9 weeks of a confusing trial she could have given both sides more time on closing to make the arguments instead of rushing in an hour.
Agreed, constant interruptions and bias towards the defence rubbed off on the jury
ABSOLUTELY!!!
There have recently been a few high profile trials here in MA in Aunt Bev’s court that ended up in hung juries…
Very true.
@@Stubby779 defense or prosecution?
The DA needs to drop these charges immediately. This is a gross example of corruption. The FBI needs to step in and make their own arrests against the BPD
How could any one think the prosecution met the burden of proof
They went into this already thinking KR was guilty
People who believe the cops 100% over anyone else.
@@khaightlynn5295 or are cops themselves
Afraid. She needs a different venue. Please let the FBI step in
@@pickyaf3376 fbi report should come before the next trial
Poor Karen. 😢 this sucks for her. Let’s hope the FBI takes on this case because John deserves justice and everyone needs to know the truth.
I mean do you think she didn't kill him? And If not why do you think she started lying about dropping him off in her voicemails minutes after and literally on the way home ?
@@cookiealexd123 how do you explain the expert witness that was hired by the DOJ who believe that the physics and science are not backing up the idea of John being hit by a car?
@@cookiealexd123what are you talking about?
@CharlieLynne-eu9dz go look at the voicemails she left literally right after dropping him around 12.30
She thought he was going in for a min and he stayed. So she left to go take care of kids. I can see why she was mad. I had a situation where my husband did the same thing and I had to get back to kids so babysitter could go home. I called and texted my husband so many times that night. So I can see exactly what she was going through.
Gosh darn that jury foreperson can sure write. I am impressed with their articulation, but not the outcome.
I heard a rumor that there was an ex-cop on the jury. I am very curious to know if that's true. I'm also curious to know if that ex-cop was indeed the foreman. I can see an ex-cop being so fluent in court speak. I hope the jury comes forward to the public.
Shocking to me...I heard there was also an attorney on the jury! The language sure fits and it's so difficult to believe an attorney was chosen by either side!
@@JamieDoe472I am also very curious about the rumour of an ex cop. I don’t feel it was right to have an ex cop on the jury but Jackson must have agreed.
The arrogance of Lally to immediately say he's going to re-try her AFTER he has seen ARCCA's full report is thumbing his nose at justice. He knows she didn't do this. He's a spineless jellyfish willing to frame an innocent woman. COWARD!!!
Did he do a news conference where he's already stated?He's going to retry her question mark he didn't state that in the court room Today
@@crystalfarmer4074source of DA that Emily trusts said Commonwealth plans to retry
Judge Bev has a post trial meeting the end on July to decide a trial date …and now the jurors will find out that there is a full on investigation- that should be interesting
@@crystalfarmer4074It was Morrissey, but yeah.
I genuinely cannot believe this. How did the prosecution prove anything? Were the jury watching the same trial? I am utterly disgusted and appalled.
I wonder if some of the jurors were afraid of consequences if they found her not guilty, at the end of the day they live in that tiny town with those corrupt policemen and those corrupt families 😞
I don't understand how anyone could think the state proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt!
The voicemails where she dropped him off and started lying about it minutes after on the way home and the tail light found the same day could seal it.
Many people put a LOT of reliance on the police. Even though the level of f-ery there was in this case is by no means unique. I’m very curious to know what the split was.
@@cookiealexd123I pray you're never a juror!
I'm curious if one of these "deeply held beliefs" of some jurors is that police are beyond reproach.
@@34canderson34😅 it would be a mistrial if Cookie was on a jury. Clearly not dealing with a full deck.
I was here at the courthouse during the announcement. It started thunderstorming right before they went in, it’s like mother nature knew what was coming. Can’t believe they are going to retry her 😔
We don't know they are ? Do we ? Isn't that the point of the next court date
The DAs office already said they would be retrying the case
The corrupt DA announced that they" intend" to retry. Hopefully the corrupt players in this case will be arrested by then.
I think the DA has to say this to prove his confidence in bringing it to trial in the first place.
@@melodiecason2799PREACH!
I don’t get how anyone could hold out for guilty. Are people really that swayed by police authority that they would honestly think that the state proved anything?
I mean, yeah. It is. Minorities have been saying this for years. Maybe now that it impacts a white person more will listen.
@@jediping police corruption has never been solely directed at minorities. Please stop making everything about you.
@@abcdefg3315 Nice that you assume I’m a minority just because I advocate for their rights. Check your privilege.
@@jediping😂😂😂
@@jedipingdang, you’re a crack up😂😂😂
That’s good ole Massachusetts for you! Let’s waste more taxpayers money!
Right? Why do they need so much money? I mean if they can cost save by using a leaf blower instead of a heat lamp, and a large tent? Using some red Solo cups, and stop and shop bags instead of those costly old government certified evidence... 😂 receptacles?
The corrupt investigation and not declaring the Fairview property a crime scene upon finding Officer O'Keefe's body on their property needs thorough investigation.The eyewitness testimony of the snow plough driver not seeing a body on the lawn at 3am but seeing a light colored Ford Edge unusually parked outside the residence needs major investigation.
Not to mention not treating her as a possible prepetrator of a hit, and run resulting in death.
@@JamieDoe472they went beyond treating her as a possible perpetrator of a hit and run resulting in a death.
How could anyone get past the shoddy AF investigation that went on here. Terrifying.
It is terrifying -probably the reason they thought a mistrial best route. They don’t want to be on this corruptions radar. Some cleaning up needs to be done before they retry her.
I just need to remember, there are people who still think the world is flat.
And the Ten Commandments will now be in classrooms 🤢
WORD!! 😂
@@marlbboro8091what’s wrong with any of the Ten Commandments?
That's true.. mind you I looked at some of the experiments they have done with lasers across bodies of water (apparent lack of curvature) very curious!. Not a flat earther myself, but even the people who are aren't as stupid as you assume.
@@Donkeykong80it’s not a problem with the 10 commandments. It’s the separation of church and state. If you’re fine with ripping up the constitution, that’s on you.
We need to know the details about the FBI investigation
I kinda hope the FBI investigation comes out before a retrial starts. Cause I'm pretty sure the jury wasn't allowed to know that those defense experts were hired by the FBI.
Emily thank you for your amazing coverage of this trial. You have sacrificed so much for this. Family time, personal time, streaming for us on the road, waking up early on the west coast, your voice, your sleep, and sometimes your sanity. WE APPRECIATE YOU!!!❤
To be fair, this is her job.
Dear Emily, I started crying for all the hurt that so many have experienced in this situation. I pray for everyone involved!!!! Including the jury members, the Okeefe Family, for Karen and her family, and for all the unkind division; I pray we will all get to a better place. I do not think any of us will ever know the TRUTH of what happened to John Okeefe.
Couldn’t have said it better!!
One thing we do know for certain, Karen Read is INNOCENT and did not kill JoK. 🎯
I watched this gavel to gavel, and with how much doubt I see, the fact that we're here sickens me. My faith in our justice system is shaken.
I didn't expect to start bawling when I saw Jackson come in and hug her family. I thought he was going to come in for a handshake and not hug another grown man. That just made everything feel real for some reason.
Truly shocked at this lack of verdict. I would have bet money that they would have returned a not guilty verdict in less than a day.
But she started lying about dropping him off and they found bits of tail light the same say. In murdaugh they said 'could he have been at the scene. Lied about it and still be innocent' and they decided no. Could karen have lied minutes after dropping him off, be put at the scene and still be innocent? Clearly some jurors thought not.
Me too!
@@cookiealexd123lied or didn’t remember? No ring or street cameras to prove otherwise like the video with Murdaugh (as you pointed out).
@@cookiealexd123 I dont understand how you could say she lied but then look at these witnesses with 20 butt dials and say “yeah thats plausible”. scientifically he wasnt struck by a lexus going 25mph! you heard engineers working for the FBI tell you something and still said “nah she did it”. 😢
@@cookiealexd123all your comments use words like " maybe" , "if" , "is it possible" . These are all reasonable doubt. I'm not saying I know the truth but the common wealth definitely did not prove she did it.
I really wish this was surprising to me, but I've been on a jury before. I and another juror were verbally attacked by the other jurors for daring to express any doubt or mistrust of the police. Some people truly worship the police and refuse to see anything wrong because "well, they're the police, it must have been justified!" The police are just regular people. They can be wrong, too. And unfortunately, some people have the mindset that "well, they wouldn't be here in the first place if they were innocent" and completely ignore "innocent until proven guilty."
True.
I watched a friend's SA case. He was absolutely guilty. However, the state did not do a good job presenting the case, lost evidence, and just did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
I hated the outcome, but it is how our system works for a reason.
This jury does not understand reasonable doubt, IMO.
This is why idk if juries actually serve any justice. People are people, and untrained and uneducated people are untrained and uneducated and prone to bullying and bias. Idk how a 100% closed room secret discussion could ever be safeguarded from that. Idk if there is a better way, just that this isn't it.
@@khaightlynn5295Exactly why I'm happy to live in a country where there are no jurys
Seriously? What juror(s) could possibly think that she was guilty after seeing the body? That man was obviously beaten and attacked by a dog
Forgetting the lack of dog dna or consistant imjures with a beating, Why did karen start lying about dropping him off literally minutes after on the way home
Someone who had their minds made up before they came in and lied to get on the jury.
@@cookiealexd123I’m not understanding what you’re saying. Can you explain?
There was no clear indication of a beating, either. No bruises, bloody knuckles, no real damage to the face. All the arguments against vehicle strike apply to being jumped.
@@melindapye7435No, completely different forces between a beating and being hit by 6-7,000lb car.
Can you imagine how much $$$ Karen has spent to keep herself out of jail? Given her health that is $$ she could have spent to take care of her long term needs. I hope the FBI investigation puts a stop to the retrial. Also, John deserved a better.
I would imagine she still had to pay for her car that's ripped apart and still impounded too.
Her legal bills are over a million.
I feel bad for everyone involved. Almost 30 days of the evidentiary phase and it was all for nothing. It is no surprise to me that Lally is chomping at the bit to go again; he can't wait to tell us which high tops were level, unlevel and which bar stools were squeaky.
Or how cold it was. Or the snow! 🥴
Agreed.. and everyone’s drink of choice
And who won the game..
I think he was stalling. I think he will have less reason to stall this next trial, and it will be much shorter.
@@JamieDoe472 Honestly, I think it was intentional. I think Lally wanted to confuse the jury, make them tired of the job before the defense went. Just think he didn't bring the medical examiner in until the very end of his case, after 8 weeks, because he knew she was going to say John's injuries were not caused by a car. By then the jury was lost not paying attention, and only the ones who understand science followed the defense and saw that it was impossible for a car to hit John and cause zero bruises.
Here comes the Feds ! About to take down the Canton PD etc
I hope so
🤞🏼
I hope so, and I hope they dig up that pool - probably find Chloe's remains (that poor pup wasn't rehomed), they referred to her as an "it". And maybe find some of John's blood and DNA.
Godspeed.
I sadly don’t know how much will actually happen
I’m so angry I missed this video in live… I’m at the hospital giving birth right now after weeks following this case with you. Thank you EDB.
Hey good luck and congrats!! 👶🏼💕
You are adorable. You're like dang it! Giving birth interfered with my live viewing of this outrageous trial! Lol..honestly, this puts into perspective how historic and unprecedented this whole thing has been.
Congratulations! I wish you and baby the very best!!
Congratulations 🎉
Congrats 👶🏼🎉
Wow, seriously? That is messed up....
Devastating for Karen, her family. And for JUSTICE. Makes me sick. How can science be ignored?
Someone got to some of those jurors. I still believe this outcome is more of a positive for Karen and her team.
The last two witnesses didn't use science to prove karen was innocent or definitively prove that the car couldn't have been involved. I dont understand why people are running with that.
@Theunspoiledprincess stop peddling wild baseless conspiracy. The woman started lying about dropping him off literally minutes later whilst on the way home. Throw in the cracked tail piecee found that day and I really don't see why you think she's innocent. Not that I'm saying they should have voted that it was proved. More so that you shouldn't need to jump to jury tampering.
What do you mean? We literally have a crook running for president who stood on national TV and spewed lies...no fact checking, nothing. We are truly doomed.
I don’t understand how anyone could say that the Commonwealth proved her guilt beyond the reasonable doubt? I don’t know if the note was written as to not single anyone out, but it sounded like more than one hold out.
The judge is to blame for this. She forced them to go to trial when both sides told her they weren’t ready.
How will they find a new impartial jury at this point?
I said the same thing! There is no freaking way
I watched everyday your streams, then Runkle’s streams at night. I couldn’t imagine not having a zoom zoom or rewind
I feel the judge is responsible for this outcome since she was so clearly annoyed, verbally frustrated to the jury, and not clear in her rulings and instructions.
But wait a minute…I have seen interviews with former jurors on murder trials ( Dateline ) where many a juror has said “ I thought that he/she was guilty but there was enough reasonable doubt for me BASED on the evidence that I voted “ not guilty .. but I still thought that the person was guilty “
So that being said, regarding this “ high moral conviction “ a juror could say, “ I still think that he/she is guilty “ ..because in this case, there were so much reasonable doubt. Unbelievable
Right. And some number of jurors came to the conclusion she was guilty and it was clear, beyond reasonable doubt. So they couldn't morally give a non-guilty vote.
@@jaywinner328 Their own witnesses, hired by the FBI said it wasn’t possible that John was hit by a car…
M. PROCTOR has been rehomed out of DAs office 🎉
Within time the CW could change their minds. Hoping the FBI intervenes.
But now suddenly trooper Proctor is relieved of his duties and send to Norfolk .. so something is coming.... I think the ball will continue to roll for TP and the Fed will come down hard on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the first to be arrested and sent to jail. This will also help the defense and Karen if there really is a retrial it's immediately demonstrate how corrupt he is!
Whew Paul O. Looks like a ticking time boom.
Sadly, his anger is focused on the wrong person. He is being played - sad.
KR needs protection
He literally said to Karen "I'm not done with you yet." as he walked by her, insane. These people are nutcases, the guy doesn't even talk to his mom, tells you the kind of people we're dealing with.
Thank you for your even approach and lack of speculation Emily. The internet is actually wild over this case, sanity prevails here at least 🙏
Well, at least we’ll see the “Crash Daddies” again! Congratulations Karen Read! Hope the next trial unequivocally proves your innocence! Best wishes!
Paul O'Keefe says to Karen "I'm not done with you yet." I am appalled at his behavior throughout this trial and it seems he wants revenge way more than he wants justice for his brother. I'm at a loss as to how tf this jury could EVER find that there was no reasonable doubt in this case??!! I don't trust it at all. The ME never even declared a homicide and the evidence never clearly showed he was hit by a car! HOW????
Paul is a disgrace to his brother’s memory
I want to know if the FBI is still investigating because this is truly shady stuff.
Yes.
I got my letter to be a juror in Australia.. my town doesn’t often have jury trials so I am looking forward to do my part in my justice system here in Australia
Paul has it out for her, wow. I hope she gets security.
I was thinking the same!
He’s probably jealous she’s getting the support he wishes he got when he paralyzed a pedestrian in his own dui
Can someone explain why the US doesn't let jurors discuss the case amongst themselves during the trial? In Australia, we get to discuss the evidence as we hear it and we get to review the transcripts in deliberations. If you can't discuss the case at all until deliberations, how can you let the judge know someone on the jury is not engaging with the trial in good faith and get them yeeted? If jurors can only rely on the published exhibits and their own notes, how can you get a unanimous verdict in any long trial like this?!
I was told it's because it's the attorneys jobs to present the cases. If jurors talk during the trial/compare notes they are already deliberating and arguing the case- perhaps adding or changing the attorneys' case.
Having served on juries- I wish there were better instructions on how to do it from the get go & frankly competency tests. I know some on our jury didn't understand the vocabulary & had to have explained a lot. Plus in our state, we didn't know what the sentencing might be. So I think that can impact people's decisions.
I for one don't think our American jury system is guaranteed justice. How can a closed room 100% in secret be safeguarded from bias and bullying? That swaying your fellow bullhead American is _the way it works_ isn't justice.
I feel lucky to not live in a county where jurys decide about the fate of people.
I think the frustration is nobody understands how it wasn't clearly reasonable doubt enough to find Her not guilty.That is blowing my mind , and I really need someone to make that makes sense
I think judge doesn’t explain “beyond a reasonable doubt” well enough.
I loved the defense, but they didn't do a good job of it either. They needed more time on closing.
@@calliew311she didn’t give either one of them enough time!
Yeah, 1 hour for each side is just wild. When the judge asked Jackson how long he would need after Lally rested I wonder if he could have asked for extra time for closing arguments?
Agreed.
@Monica-gene1 I agree. I sat on a jury on a case that was a week long and their closing was more than an hour.
Hopefully the commonwealth drops this bullshit and walks away because their case was actual trash.
I agree, it was terrible. I couldn't vote guilty before the defense even presented. And yet, some jurors could not be convinced.
@@jaywinner328I think some jurors scared of the corruption they saw before them. Instead of doing something about it -they saw a mistrial the best route to take. It wouldn’t shock me if many picked up and left Boston, MA.
@@123marlanamars I honestly would not be surprised. Get a mistrial, hope they don't prosecute again and move on.
Shouldn’t they wait for the federal investigation???
I hope so!
Ypu heard her, Judge Beg can't wait that long.
I am MINDBLOWN by the fact someone thinks she is guilty without a reasonable doubt.
In my opinion anyone with that decision is basing on personal feelings and not based on the actual evidence
Same. Because as presented, it's all reasonable doubt.
I’m not convinced this jury personally knew anyone on the case. But this is a small community. And some people have very close ties to law enforcement. And admitting not guilty is a strong admission that there are MAJOR issues with the law enforcement in your community. And some people will never ever admit it. I think change of venue, getting out of community and there be very slim possibility of any personal ties is going to be the next step.
I'm just absolutely disgusted at this point. They should poll the IQ of the jury.
Legit have zero clue how anyone could say with conviction that there was NO REASONABLE DOUBT. If they bring this back to trial, I will lose all hope on true justice. People say the defense should have not gone so hard for the “conspiracy or frame job” and instead reasonable doubt. However, with that taillight evidence, it is just IMPOSSIBLE to not have the “frame job” theory when the ONLY other alternative is she hit him. No reason the taillight would be there unless she hit him OR someone planted the evidence.
The defense worked with the facts of this case and the facts of this case points to a frame job.
Thank you Emily. For all the informative advice and your time. I appreciate you, we all do. You are THE BEST. Safe travels. Love you
My LawNerd app notification was an hour late for this :(
The judge should feel bad for forcing them to go to trial when they both said they weren’t ready- this is on her.
Can you imagine that Albertsons and Procter are horrified this will be retried!!!! Good!!!
More Skeletor Jennifer memes!
And sand that anyone would still think that she’s guilty when the Commonwealth did not even bother to do a proper investigation. This is disturbing and truly disgusting to watch.
Thank you for always taking time for us! Have a safe trip home and relax a while. Love from Germany
In my opinion, this "investigation" was set up immediately when Proctor came to his friend's house and knew he had to come up with something to protect them. I wish someone would have dug up that pool they covered up - probably find Chloe's remains (they didn't rehome that poor pup, in my opinion - remember, they referred to her as an "it"). They weren't taking any chances - that poor pup is gone, for good. And, there may be some blood and DNA buried their too. Also, Lally lied in his closing argument - changing times to meet HIS ridiculous timeline and claiming there was no other DNA on JO's body, which there was. Lally, in my opinion would do anything to win this case for his boss, And his boss may have brought it because of pressure that was put on by his financial contributors who may have been friends with the real suspects. On a side not - T-Mobile has never failed me. 🤣🤣😂😂
But now suddenly trooper Proctor is relieved of his duties and send to Norfolk .. so something is coming.... I think the ball will continue to roll for TP and the Fed will come down hard on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the first to be arrested and sent to jail. This will also help the defense and Karen if there really is a retrial it's immediately demonstrate how corrupt he is!
Thank you EDB for your amazing analysis these past few weeks. It made a tough trial to watch very enjoyable. On to the Baldwin trial
I watched an episode on how small the courtroom and how close the prosecution was to the jurors -starring straight at them.
This would make many nervous. To see what they are doing to her -what would they do to these jurors if they didn’t find her guilty? The police officers need to be reprimanded for DUI’s, compromised investigation, unprofessional behavior, perjury etc… a huge clean up needs to be done before she gets retried.
Whoever is the author on the jury has a masterful command of the English language. Their prose is impeccable.
It is sad that there is no resolution after such a long trial. Seems like such a waste of time and money. I feel bad for all involved.
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The DA statement said, “They intend to retry” That statement is not a definitive yes.
What happens if a defendant can no longer pay their legal bills mid trial? I cannot fathom being able to afford this defense plus another
Couldn’t “Go Fund Me” get set up? She could crowd fund 🤷♀️
An attorney cannot leave the case based on a client's inability to pay.
@@kassiopiajudkins2722depends on the circumstances and if the Judge approves the withdrawal.
I find this really hard to comprehend. There was literally nothing to suggest that the victim was hit by a car. There were no witnesses that saw anything to suggest that he was hit by a car. The only evidence that suggests it was from a police officer who decided off his own back without doing any investigation that Karen was to blame, and the other officers who wanted to back up their colleague. A conclusion he came himself to that he had no feasible explanation for. I'm absolutely lost on this. How does this happen?
The jury selection needs to be reevaluated. More screening, background checks, inteligence levels etc. They took an oath and clearly some members were not willing to stick to it.
Next trial, the jury needs to be sequestered and the trial time cut in half.
Replay crew. I can't believe this is the outcome. I have so many questions still. How can this family have closure. They deserve better.
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you, Emily. I was in Europe last week and was so glad that I was able to watch your live streams. Very informative, you are great!!
Wondering if someone on the jury is too close to police department or was warned away from guilty. This feels sketchy.we need a link for her defense fund.
My thoughts exactly.
I 💯 believe this. The Albert’s are dangerous people with no conscience.
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I've only served on a jury once, and we were also a mistrial, because only myself and one other person felt that an armed guard pummeling an unarmed and unresisting man before throwing him skull-first into a concrete pillar was *not* self defense. The elderly retired cop on the jury insisted that it was entirely justified, because the guy was rude to the guard, and *could've* become violent. The other antediluvians on the jury immediately switched from "undecided" to "not guilty" as soon as the ex-cop spoke up. The couple of other younger folks never spoke up to explain their position, they just went with the majority.
It was so extremely frustrating: the stuff the older folks used to justify their decision was absolutely irrelevant--just anything necessary to impugn the character of the victim.
I felt like that spongebob meme ("This wallet has your name on it, so it's your wallet, right?" "Nope."). I walked them through each logical step of how the guard's actions fit the criteria of the crime, and were *not* self defense, and they would agree with me on each point...then just say "but it was self defense!". At one point, I got them to agree that it would've been wrong for the guard to hit the guy in the head with a chunk of concrete after his flurry of punches to the guy's face..."Yeah, that would obviously be wrong". But they blue-screened when I said "that's what he did, except he threw the victim instead of the concrete".
So frustrating. And that was a case with extremely clear footage of the entire event, and no dispute about the actual actions taken, or the identities of the involved parties. I cannot imagine the absolute travesty of reason that must've taken place during the deliberation of the Karen Read jury. Whoever sat through all that testimony and still thought that the Commonwealth had proven their case needs to be tested for carbon monoxide poisoning.
Thank you Emily, watching with you is a pleasure and helps me so much to have the connection.
I cried for the mum.
I can't though possibly see how this woman could .be found guilty ty Emily. I watched live with u all the way from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️
Jury has spoken! However it is baffling that the those jurors came to their decision!
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I CANNOT DO THIS AGAIN
Thank you EDB for covering this case & continuing to cover it!
There’s so much to this case…
I’m sure there will be another PEACEFUL protests outside of the Morrissey’s office as it’s always been.
I’m beyond shocked.
I got called for federal grand jury duty once. I was a government major and wanted to do it. It was every Monday for six weeks unless it was a political political or international drug case. My dad cautioned me bc of the danger of being involved in a corrupt political case but was scared of me possibly being involved in anything involving cartels. I ended up not doing it bc i had just graduated college, looking for a job and had a baby. He said it could be dangerous for my son. I filled out out and marked that I had a child. I was excused. This was only hypothetical and it was only grand jury, not a real trial. I can completely see a jury being scared of a corrupt law enforcement voting for a mistrial bc it could be dangerous. If they retry it, it should be moved far away. Everyone in town has heard about this csse. So has everyone in other cities, but another jury in another city won't have to go back to their everyday lives in a corrupt cit. It is horrible. But ît happens. If i had been chosen and ended up on a grand jury cartel case, and i felt threatened, it would have been impossible to do the right thing with my newborns safety at risk. I keep saying cartel bc that was actually mentioned in my subpoena. They shouldn't retry her.
I rewatched Trooper Paul’s testimony and I have no clue how anyone can believe that nonsense. His poor mother. 😢 💔 I really think the Defense shot themselves in the foot with calling only 3 witnesses. They were excellent witnesses, but they really should’ve spent more time on their case.
I will never believe a juror wasn't compromised. There was simply no evidence that his injuries were from a vehicle. None
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Unbelievable Karen Should have been found not Guilty. Very disaponded 💔
With everything going on in the world, I have been feeling so frustrated and sad. Seeing her not acquitted of charges today has made my faith in humanity just dig for lower and lower levels. :( In the end, I am so very sad for O'Keefe's family, I can't imagine what they are feeling.
No scrapes no bruisrs no dirt, ???
It will continue to be like that because no juror who believes Karen Read not guilty will ever compromise.
I can't believe this is how it ended .I can't believe anyone on that jury couldn't see reasonable doubt there had to be some fuckery there. Im so disgusted and horrified!!!!
This was not based on the evidence. The CW did not come close to establishing that JOK was even hit by a car, let alone by Karen - they barely even presented a case for it. So - either directly or indirectly (through media etc) - they got to some jurors.
This would’ve been an easy not guilty if it wasn’t such a popular case. They should seek to change county/judge and wait until media stop covering it.
Thanks for explaing things Emily, but what a waste it feels like with this trial, so much time and work for nothing!
How would they ever find a jury?