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Alien civilizations are expanding rapidly | Robin Hanson and Lex Fridman
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Ty Lex, im in UFO mood right now. Should we as humans set up array of consumer RGB cameras that look at sky and feed that stream into AI that detects objects and report if there is something strange :D ?? I feel like we should look at the sky much more than we do right now.
(33:24) There's no evidence for reverse time travel no matter how fast you move, only for future travel on the part of the reference frame you left from and then returned to after being at some multiple of c for some amount of time on your vessel.
There are no aliens 😂
“Grabby” sounds like how an abductee who’s been probed would describe an alien
@Rasheed Cumba Biden IS a granny alien. If they were to come here, they’d catalog a planet where the most powerful leader on the planet is quickly approaching their end while grabbing younglings. What a trip
Word, I wanna Grabby Lex😍
(😉😘) cute nerd.
My first thought exactly!
@Rasheed Cumba Old Joe's NO DOUBT (at least partially) "Reptillian", no?
I think the abductee would call them pokey or jabby, maybe even honey or sweetie if they snuggle after they probe.
I love when a youtube clip is longer than a tv show
A LOT of "implieds" in his model... but I am always glad to see intelligent, high-profile coverage of this topic. Btw, Lex - these long clips are a hell of a treat. We sure do appreciate all the fantastic content.
I think the whole idea is that you could put different values into this model and come up with different possible solutions and then look around and see if anything in the universe matches those solutions
I do not appreciate the content of your reply. I t hink you have a problem.
@@mrjoe27 we will go a long way
Lots of implieds? Step one is an implied….
Implied = fantasy? Yes definitely lol
Lesson 1 in being an expert interviewer as shown here by Lex… when complex explanations are given, repeat back what you’ve heard in your own words in the form of a question. This clarifies the answer for the viewer and allows the interviewer to build trust with the interviewee and thus get more depth answers to the follow up questions.
Cool story bro
@@show_me_your_kitties 🤣🤣🤣
Lmfao🤣 yo I was thinking the same thing
Yeah but how many times does the fast explanation have to be repeated for Christ sakes lol
If you go to marriage counseling they’ll teach you this.
I wish John Mack was still alive to have one of these sit down long form discussions of his work with alien "abductees".
No matter whether you believe or not it's fascinating stuff.
This is it we have time. Iisten two this. My two favorite psychic Mediums about ETs past, persent, future. Yes they both believe in Christ consciousness and cosmic consciousness.
@@dayerotth8273 🤦♂️Both "psychic mediums", & the cult idol of "christ"(or ANY & ALL skydaddies, *do NOT exist* ) 🤣😂
How embarrassing that grown adults in 2022, with literally almost all of human knowledge at their finger tips, and all the debunking evidence a mentally deficient child could grasp, and people are still room temperature iQ'd or below to believe in the cults that are skydaddy religions, and even more dumbfoundingly, believe in "psychic mediums OF ALIENS" LMMFAO, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Einstein was correct when he said human stupidity is infinite. 😂🤣
@@dayerotth8273 honestly, I think the terminology is what's doing them the biggest disservice. The idea of a collective subconscious mind, which is essentially the human version of Christ consciousness, is fairly well accepted by psychology, at this point, just not quite to the same degree, so if everyone could get on the same page with our stupid, clunky fucking language, we could be legitimately pushing the boundaries of a 4th density/type 1 society
He was a great man
He taught at Harvard, you know
In so many sci-fi stories and video games there’s always a precursor race that was first and left its mark and ancient ruins all over space. What’s crazy is WE could be one of if not the first civilization in our galaxy.
We are the grabby aliens you are looking for.
Considering what we can detect and see out there in space with our current technology it's easy to imagine that a civilization that exists in our local galactic group that is only 1000 years ahead of us in science and technology would most likely already be aware of earth and its biosignature.
A civilization that is only 10,000 years ahead of us would most likely be aware that a civilization inhabits earth and might even have the means to send probes or craft to investigate in a relatively short amount of time (maybe they have warp drive or wormhole technology).
A civilization that is 100,000 years ahead of us probably doesn't give a crap about us as we are probably a dime a dozen across the cosmos and therefore uninteresting.
Regarding the last paragraph.. would the entire sivilization have to care? We, as a sivilization may not care to much about some obscure animal species perhaps, but enough people do that some are studying it none the less. Also, would curiosity and compassion for other living beings always be reduced with technological advancement? Lastly: If we are a dime a dozen. I think 100 000 years ahead would be pretty numerous. Given how little that actually compared to the age of the universe etc. 10 000 years seems almost negligible. Even if a fair amount of our "equals" would go extinct, still.Ten or a hundred thousand years aren't huge numbers..
@@HansenFT Yes you're right those numbers aren't too big, but it's to basically illustrate that any civilization that is even just remotely ahead of us in technology and lives in our galactic local group already knows the answer if "we're alone in the universe" and is most likely already aware of earth. This does lead to the possibility that we are being actively monitored by other intelligences and could explain some UAP sightings.
I imagine there could be civilizations out there millions of years ahead of us, perhaps even billions if they managed to survive. They could be God-like beings for all we know.
@@HansenFT Consider the largest life form differential here on Earth: humans vs insects. What is our behavior towards insects? Wouldn't a truly advanced civilization behave towards us in likewise fashion?
@@I_Lemaire not necessarily, humans don't like insects because of evolutionary behavior & the pest many are.
Nor would they be hostile to us for our resources like "ancient aliens theorists" like to delusionally believe, because they would easily obtain any resource on Earth, from the multi trillions of Asteroids or closer planets, ECT.
There is zero need for an alien to waste logistics resources for violence against another "intelligent" species.
@@I_Lemaire I have heard of this example used a lot. That aliens would just step on us like ants. But clearly if aliens have been here for a long time they dont want to harm us. I think the reason we can just step on ants is because your killing 1 in trillions. If There was 1 ant hill on earth you surely wouldnt set it on fire would you? lol. Youd want to protect it presumably.
Michio Kaku should hop on over to Lex and keep the convo rolling.
I love both these guys.
The spheres of influence becoming aware of one another kind of reminds me of the six degrees of separation principle.
Lex pod is my fav. Plus a “clip” is 40 minutes. Awesome
Thank you for pressing him to clarify his answers. His original explanation was unclear and many of his terms felt undefined until you walked him back.
The expansion may be reduced into a refining process, a more highly sophisticated being may condense things to carry them around, like a planet in your pocket to sustain each individual, with long enough to advance this tech it’s possible that all pockets would be powered by the same “planet”
This is fascinating!
This was hard to grasp and follow, I had to stop doing other things and just focus. So freaking interesting I need to watch the whole interview!!! Question: why would they be able to travel across space/time just because of traveling at more than speed of light? I’ve so many questions!!
Current science technology says if you can go faster than light you can travel backwards and foward in time. His model doesn't account for exotic ftl. Our next big step is the unifying therom. Once someone cane figure out how quantum physics and relativity connects we can start expanding.
I can't get over it. The line of reasoning is just brilliant!
So is his shirt!
Lex out here blessing us with a 40 minute 'clip ' 😂
Love this guy! Such a badass scientific savage!
Would love a pint down the boozer with him!
If you are not subbed to Lex then you truly are missing out.
I think he's a top geezer too!
Stop simping
@@show_me_your_kitties 😂
This is so interesting. I absolutely love this channel. Keep up the good work Lex! I hope our paths cross sometime for a beer!
Jaqués valle in his book Wonders in The Sky, Unexplained Aerial Objects, must be read in the context of this conversation
Also such a poetic nice way to see the Universe. Awesome!
A basic understanding of game theory helps you understand how non-cooperative species tend to be eliminated by evolution.
Being extra aggressive, greedy, grabby or selfish guarantees that you’re either going to be outcompeted or destroyed by an alliance of more cooperative species.
I want to know how they validated their model.
Please do an episode on Russ George and his ideas about fighting climate change
What on earth is this conversation about ? These guys taking Hollywood science fiction to another level.
The Bootes Void is potentially an example of this
One hell of a clip
I think I understand your hypothesis, As we do see these many sky annomalies. And many of us do see that there are other lifeforms that visit us and exist in a higher frequency.
31:33
More like sitting in a train traveling at high speeds, and seeing from your cabin window that another train, also traveling at high speeds, is headet to colliding with your train from the side. You just sit there, their distances closing, but there's nothing you can do. 10 seconds, and...
Lex, you are really interested in human behavior but I’ve e never seen you interview an applied or experimental behavior analyst.
I think when possible one of the first things that we would change is to clean up the asteroid belt and then readjust the orbits of the remaining objects to remain stable
We can't even clean up earth 😢
this is brilliant
I once took DMT and had a conversation with a glowing being that said we will eventually go through some kind of enlightenment that will allow us to commune with the universe in ways never thought of before. I have told a total of 3 people about this experience in detail but it felt so unbelievably real it has stuck with me a decade after I had it. The problem with this guys work is he is not able to predict the "unknown unknowns" of existence. Much like we couldn't have imagined surgery without anesthetic.
Good observation. 👍
I am going to have my first ayahuasca ceremony this weekend and I hope to have my own conversation with a glowing being!
@XYouVandal Good luck friend, prepare your ego.
Yes
Lex pure intelligence. You get guests that you translate from them ( the above ) educated to me one that can understand if explained to .the concept . Love your show.
This dude saw too many sci-fi movies. Start by seeing one and proving it to the world first lol.
Tell me you didn't understand the concept without telling me you didn't understand the concept.
It's easier get enlightenment, that show everyone else.
They said that about ufos too
The light from their rapidly expanding expanse hasn't reached my eyes yet. :)
I think I missed if there’s an explanation as to how such a civilization would or could expand so rapidly while being noticeable in the way he described. Anyone know what I mean?
NO
@@henare101 haha perfect, thanks
Perhaps they would create space cities and mega machines of various kinds (among other things). This would use a lot of energy.
@@controlcomputer.4392 perhaps...but it goes waaaay deeper than that mi amigo.
Ever heard astronomers or physicians say that whenever they "see" planets or stars in space, that we are so far away that we are pretty much looking at a past version of themselves? Because the time it takes for the light of these objects to reach us (meaning we can see the object) is so slow that whenever we see something in space its pretty much a past version of itself. Meaning that if aliens were coming towards us at an extreme speed, we wouldn't even get the chance to see the past version of them until they were extremely close.
I think...lol
Even Lex can agree this guy is more right than anyone he has interviewed. You can see it Lex reaction.
He is a economist, he didn’t study any fields he’s talking about
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about
He believes there’s millions of civilizations out there
There’s a lot of variables that haven’t been taken into consideration, they only look at the facts that help their view look stronger, even with a third generation star, the chances for the solar system to form a planet to handle life, are almost mathematically impossible, the Drake equation is just a guess, not bad one, but still a guess, even if you add the possibility of life starting off silicon based(mind you it’s only theoretical) the chance is still near zero, if I’d have to decide wether we are the only example of complex carbon compounds being able to self replicate and gather a conscious, or wether the chance allows for it to be more common, I’d chose the lone mans path, plus add the fact that even if life forms else where in this space we call everything, the chances of it becoming multicellular are low, not terribly low, but there’s just a higher chance life will stop at a algae or moss form, calm equal, then from multicellular to human level conscious? Just keep in mind out of the estimated 8.3 million species tracked, not counting the ones forever forgotten, and the 4.28 billion years it took to get us humans, we are the only species to reach this mark accomplishment in thought
Just wanted to reply with the fact that this guy might have spent several years in his studies, he couldn’t go out all the way and at least try to look at it a little bit deeper
If he wants to write a fiction book, he could of, but he brought all of these theories and partially completed facts, (mind you only the facts that make his statement look good) and is speaking as it’s complete fact
He’s not smart, he’s manipulative
Life is basically impossible, we may be the only example or one of the very few, 10-100 (out of the “infinitely” large universe) civilization
One thing that was unsettling was when you said is it worth spending 30 thousand on saving one person’s life and absolutely it is , the health insurance people pay is the reason why, would it not be a scam if they could just decide who was worth saving?
Well said - "Started from the bottom, now we're here" 10:03
We are still at the bottom, earth and it's beings are in need, war needs to stop. Etc...suffering never makes gain at a cost
Just a thought... If we want to not be too obvious to galactic observers/travelers, should we avoid using straight lines in our near Earth craft??
Nothing stands out more to the casual observer than straight lines in a horizon of orbs. Or am I over thinking this?
We don't travel in straight lines. Our space craft use thrusters to align ourselves with the orbital wells of terrestrial objects to get orbital slingshot boosts with thruster adjustment in order to go where we are going.
They already found us
Is the sphere that the humanity has, has it's radius from Voyager 1 (or some other human-made thing)?
CGP Grey sure knows a lot about aliens.
Thing is, most planets we look at, we can only just about tell that they’re there… we can maybe get an idea of their size and a rough idea of their atmospheric composition… and we’re looking at them as they were millions of years ago… unless they had an intelligent civilisation sending out radio waves, we have no idea if there’s life on some of those planets
Then there is the question of if they’d even use radio waves at all… even here on earth, radio waves are slowly being phased out and we’re switching over to using higher bandwidth microwave frequencies for transferring information… it’s not hard to imagine there may be a civilisation that skipped using radio waves all together or stopped using them millions of years before we had a chance to pick them up
Not only that but With the size of the universe and the slow speed of light, it may be the case that the only realistic way of communicating over huge distances between stars is to design a ship that can bend the laws of physics to get around the speed of light and send them to the destination… therefore the only way we’d know they’re here is when they turn up in our skies… something that there is definitely growing evidence for
Amazing topic and beautiful interview once again! An interesting thought - what if our universe if a giant, living being. And we on Earth are just a small part of just one cell. And what if we are the tiny cancer that could spread?
Common idea actually. Or a version of one atleast.Many have it as a kid when learning about atoms in school, including myself. I think the atom versions is more elegant than the cell idea though. But I see no reason to think it's actually true . Since it's so common, yet no scientific heavyweights seem to take it seriously. I think it's childrens fantasy..
@@HansenFT oh. Wen I was a kid I just obsessed about teenage mutant ninja turtles
Kind of similar to the Brahman idea in Hinduism.
That could be true
The more we advance as a species the more we turn inwards to our own created worlds. I think one of the reasons we don't see incredibly powerful alien species modifying the universe as they see fit is because at some certain stage of technological development civilizations find it more appealing to turn inwards instead of manipulating the environment around them. All we'd really be able to detect from that sort of civilization would maybe be their energy harnessing devices. Even those would probably just black out a star though, so that would be hard to notice. There are areas of the universe that are very dark though. Statistically there should be many many more stars in those areas and yet there aren't. Those could be energy harvesting fields.
“So we’re the success of all these unlikely events”
“It’s actually like cancer” 🗿
I'm not convinced expanding civilizations will be in spheres. Also I think they'd take lots of pit stops for resources and to set up bases. There will be problems along the way as they expand.
And there will be places that they find and like, and end up staying way too long there. Just like Tahiti etc
Assuming they're constrained by travel at some fraction of the speed of light, they would indeed have an expanding sphere of influence that would expand at that fraction of C.
Right?! That's what I said!
Right, why spheres at all?
@@lyricallysupreme If physics puts a constraint on the speed at which it is technologically feasible to travel of 0.1x the speed of light (C), then the civilization will spread into every direction where there's a star or a planet at a rate of 0.1x of C. It won't be slower, it won't be faster, and it'll be in every direction that there's a nearby star. So you'll get a sphere of influence that expands at 0.1x C.
Like imagine you're in a park. You're playing hide and seek, against people who can run 10 mph. Before you start playing, you send a drone up with a camera on it. When you start counting, all these people will start running towards nearby trees, bushes, and trash cans to hide behind. From the perspective of the drone, what does that look like? A _circle_ that expands at 10 mph in any direction. Now, add a third dimension and imagine hide and seek in space but starships flying at 10% of the speed of light; you'll be seeing a _sphere_ that expands at 10% of the speed of light.
Why is it always assumed that other planets would have the same resources or would progress technology at the same rate? Or, that they would spend their/time energy on technology that succeeds in leaving their own like spacecraft versus mechanism to help maximize their territorial advances? Never understood that. Why do extraterrestrials automatically have to have more futuristic craft assuming their older?
most humans would pay for an alien to get grabby with them…
😅
I wondered what he has been doing since who's line is it anyway.
Humans are such good storytellers...
this convo is a mindfuck
I waited with bated breath for them to discuss the Boötes Void.
I kind of like the response of the scientist who when asked how D,N.A. got here responded by spaceship?
I would think that grabby would not last long. It would mean that having to leave their system in order to support themselves bad practices from the start, more chances for internal/external conflict. Like us!
I just realized we are at a huge disadvantage because we formed on a 24 hour a day cycle and in order to run efficiently we need to rest, but what does that mean once we move far enough away that this sun has no effect on us?...Woah this is good weed
How much conscience life years do we have on earth?
Thanks for the layman's version of what a powerlaw is, really illuminating and straightforward 🙄
I've seen the loud ones.
It's just like all of my favourite strategy games.
I believe Alan Watts had the best philosophical idealism
And that's the whole point of climbing these ladders of like education and/or wealth n shit. Like when people get frustrated that they're being left in the dark about things or they become conspiracy theorists because they don't trust anything. People want to take short cuts and can't understand why we can't just be told the answers to everything they want to know so bad that they forget that one of humanities greatest responsibilities is developing.
I wonder if space debri would be noticeable with current tech. If so we might see eveidence of said aliens
When do we start to expand through time.
At one point people couldn't fathom how big the earth was let alone be able to travel it. I would imagine space will be the same way. We are still in the infancy stages.
Did you smoke before this podcast Lex?
This guy looks like the Trinity Killer. Not trying to talk shit though cuz he has some of the best content there has been on here in the past couple of months
Their version of "The Green New Deal" is keeping them stuck on their planet.
Could somebody do a paper on what percentage of scientists are actually doing useful work. There seems to be a lot of vanity projects.
Wow this is very confronting to those of us that never thought of the crucial of life, and time in it that can tip the balance of inevitable circumbimg to the diseases with age. Your percentages are a scary tale of humanity at this stage.
Let’s all bring forward our humanitarian souls to a more advanced race in all aspects of age and disease.
I agree with Lex certainly terrifying
But this is assuming all aliens are like us. The likelihood of that is almost zero. However the likelihood there are many many aliens is very very high. We must assume most aliens don't operate like us at all.
They are multi-dimensional hence why we can’t always see them.
This came to mind too
If you close your eyes, it sounds like Jeff Goldblum, talking about aliens
This guy is the new Joe Rogan
Probably there is no high number of high prices interstellar advanced aliens,most of them propably stuck on own planets as we are here stuck
we here
This is a clear demonstration of why this is arguably the Greatest podcast in the world right now.
It is the best
It's probably just the one that covers what you are most interested in, I think. Host needs maturation. Fell for obvious charlatans like weinsteins. Naiv regarding people's morals. Monotone delivery and a lack of charisma, which may make him underperform relative to the quality of guests. And he has had the joe rogan-boost also. Still, not bad at all. But how many would one have to watch on a regular basis, and to make that claim. Several hundreds at the very, very least. Top 50? sure, and that's huge in and of itself.
Yea it's amazing. Joe's podcast seems to be the first point of contact with Lex with most, but now Joe's podcast almost seems like child's play compared to these.
You open up your mind so much your brain falls out...
Sagan would have been a great guest @josh
10:05 ah..The Drake Equation
Bootes.? Grabbed up a whole area of stars
Aliens as we imagine them are us when we no longer feed on the external universe and sustain our own bodies and minds, i believe it’s very accurate depiction
If I can see them or their vessels,that to me does mean they are thriving.
What if at some point, advanced civilization would "exit" our observable universe?
There’s totally a lady out there that appreciates how you described …what was it…”I just need to be generating some offspring quickly here”..lmao! Get ‘em Lex!
I wonder if this guy took into effect something like Moores Law. I didn’t really catch the whole video so might have missed it.
Maybe In stead of saying the universe is x amount of years old I think you should say the "observable " universe is x years old and x size as we have not seen all of it we have only seen to the end of our horizon so to calculate where the aliens are could be off by a bit...
I have a mathematical model that predicts stabby aliens.
You can extrapolate from the existing horned and spiked beings that all future aliens will either become all staby, or not.
Cant say I agree with him much
I came here to wonder that. It’s possible that he is using language that I am unfamiliar with - I view the six steps as part of the great filter and variables in Drake. I just don’t understand. Or I actually understand and disagree with his model
What about the Galactic Federation controlling the cosmos
Boities super void is a perfect example, literally a massive area of space where thousands of galaxies should be but there is only 60 . Harvesting suns of all their energy to fuel something maybe ? Makes sense to me . I’m no scientific mind tho
But if they're using that fuel for something they'd inevitably have to emit the same power as infrared (heat). We're going with the assumption that there's no super tech way around the laws of thermodynamics. OR that they're not somehow able to dump that heat in some other universe. So if those voids are really some super civilization dyson swarming billions of stars, the visible light would be dim but you'd still detect that same total power in heat.
The voids we currently see are not showing heat, it seems those voids are really voids
We’re pretending that inhabitants of earth haven’t been going through a cycle … and that this is the first time in history that we are experiencing space exploration.
If we had a super telescope that could analyze the atmosphere of every exoplanet we could have a much better idea what is going on, such as observing planets with pollution indicating an industrial revolution.
I heard of one guy saw the inside of mars, and saw aliens.
It takes a long time for light to reach our planet from far away. If they are grabby, they will travel in all directions at a very high speed. By the time we see their industrial society, they're already halfway here, but we wouldn't know (though we could guess) because that light hasn't reached us yet. Look at it this way - if they travel at literally the speed of light, that would mean that we would see them at the same moment they arrive, because they would arrive along with the light that makes us see them. Now, travelling at the exact speed of light seems improbable, but the point is: the faster they travel, the smaller the window betweem seeing them and the time they knock at our door.
what about the moon? isn’t that a sphere ?
"Wow, time flys when you are having fun" awesome quote!
Could the parts of the universe that we consider Dark (mass energy) actually be the parts of the universe that are intergalactic (grabby or loud) ? If they were a type 4 civilization they could surely shield themselves from the observational methods of a type 0 civilization...the solar systems closest to the darkness would never see it coming and once it is obsorbed it would become undetectable and it would appear that the amount of dark energy and mass had increased..if this is the case then about 75 percent of the known universe has already been absorbed into this type 4 civilization
That's actually a really interesting idea.
The aliens are future humans coming back in time. Their anatomy is to similiar to ours to be anything else. Add space to the evolution equation you get the Gray alien.
This interview really tested me as a non native english speaker