Knob Creek 18: Another Cash Grab Limited? Breaking the Seal EP
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- With the state of whiskey we open Knob Creek 18 not expecting much. We are in a world where age statements push a giant premium and every limited is $200+. Knock creek 18 clocks in at $170 and we weren't giant fans of the 15, how does the 18 pan out?
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At this point, I feel like all special releases are cash grabs. They're all now priced minimum $80-$100 MSRP (or more - $250, like you said). They're allocated and almost impossible to find or stores hold onto them for lotteries or store owners jack up the prices. It really takes the pleasure out of looking for a bottle or even drinking the whiskey.
Yeah, I agree. I've purchased some good, expensive bottles recently and I finally decided I'm not spending more than $85 for a bottle anymore. There are a LOT of delicious bottles out there for under $100. I just decided to not take part in this craziness anymore.
Makers wood series is usually pretty affordable
Agree as well. Bourbon has jumped the shark... sadly.
I have a $100 max too, and there better be a good reason to go even that high.
Yep I agree!
@@enricojaun2880 100 max for scotch, 80 max for bourbon
Dan, you said Parker's a few times there, were you talking about Parker's Heritage? Which comes from Heaven Hill, not Beam? (Also, would be really fun to see a blind between the 9, 12, 15, and 18. Or ditch the 9 and add a single barrel, proofed down to 100.)
My local store gets a couple of barrels of KC each year. I got a 14 year, 10 month bottle of 120 proof for $55.00. They have not raised the prices on their store picks the last few years. I generally shy away from $100.00 + bourbons. I did splurge for the Calumet, 14, 15 and 16. Got them all under MSRP and they are great.
Dang, that's amazing! I check every KC store pick I see hoping to find an older bottle. Haven't found anything over 11 years in my area. Love the KC store picks though
I was in Virginia for a quick weekend trip and popped into a small mom & pop liquor store. Saw the 12 (sometimes difficult to find in DFW, TX) and the guy behind the counter said if you like the 12 I’ve got an 18 for $169. Buy buy buy.
It’s rare that we get excited to pay two bills for a bottle but we’re on the lookout for this one for sure. KC15 was meh but 12 was so good that we’re all in on 18.
If you all are in TN I know where a few are left in a store in Murfreesboro.
@@BetterYouThanMe77 just sourced one from M'boro. Thanks Anton!
What did you mean with the Parker's comparison? Isn't that a heaven hill product?
I want to find this bottle now.
Our guy got lost in the sauce!
I was so excited about it being good that I compared flavor profiles instead of distillery releases. Heaven hill and Knob creek can share a lot of notes on some releases and I feel like this was good enough to be in a bottle that's highly sought after/has a secondary value. Damn good whiskey throwing me off lol.
I just picked up one. Very nice oak and cotton candy/brown sugar on the nose. Sweet and hint of oak on palate tingly but no hug at all. Its like drinking whiskey flavored candy. Let it sit in ass for 5 or 10 minutes and it gets so much better. A definite huge bottle.
I'm gonna put some in my ass
Catching up on episodes I missed. I love Knob Creek 12 and the KC SB store picks. I picked up a Knob Creek 15 and see so many reviews that it is over oaked. Have not pulled the trigger on KC 18. Probably will if I can find it at a reasonable price.
I grabbed a bottle of this for $137 dollars at my Costco. I love the KC 12 and hoped this would be similar. I just wish I could have snagged another one.
That's an amazing price!
Grab me one please. 😉 but seriously…..
I think you meant bookers and bakers. Parkers is HH.
Flavor profile confusion... I'm an idiot. The flavor profile on this whiskey would fit in a Parkers bottle though.
Well there's your problem right there. You put Dan in charge of TWO things. Whiskey AND glasses. You should probably just give Dan one job. 👍
I didn't even complete one of the two but damn was the whiskey good lol
Haha I commented on how good the wax was on this in my review they finally did it right
I just bought one yesterday for $150. I hadn’t planned on getting one, but saw it behind the counter and couldn’t believe the price. It was $30 cheaper than I had seen anywhere around town. Saving it for tomorrow (Thanksgiving) to share with family and friends. 🤞🏻
I’ve only had one bottle from Knob Creek and it was the 12 year and I absolutely loved it. I’ve had a few bottles of Bookers and it is good, it’s just not worth it’s price point and it can be super nutty. If Bookers was in the $80 range it’s 100% a buy. Also, like Dan was saying, Limited runs are so allocated now, it’s almost impossible to find one which also drives up the price to that over $100 mark. Some distillers are making LEs available only at their locations like the Four Roses LE. If I can ever find the 18 in the wild I’ll definitely pick one up.
I love the outro! Nice to get some extra thoughts from you both while the shoutouts scroll. Thanks for this review, will have to see if I can come up on this bottle. Was in Baltimore this past week and came across a knob creek 2001 for $179 but passed on it. Hopefully can turn that $179 into a knob 18 when all is said and done.
I know the flavor profile is different but would you pick this over the KC 12yr cask strength tho? That's my favorite KC release so far.
The knob 18 at cask strength would justify the price.
That’s my favorite KC so far as well. I did a review of the KC18 as well on my channel and it’s tough the KC12CS is so thick and that true cask strength kicks it up a notch I think. It’s close for sure the KC12CS is probably more complex but If you like the oak the KC18 is probably better
@@Anfwon I agree, an 18 CS would make the $170 easier to spend. However, in today's world of bourbon I'm not super upset with that price for an 18yr release. Especially when they give us a 120 proof 9yr for $60 or less that is always on the shelf. Although, I do think all distilleries could and should drop their prices as a whole bc it is past being ridiculous.
@@bourbonbill I know it's a hard comparison since they arent direct competitors based on age and proof. Obviously theres a spot for both on the bar though. I paid $160 for the 12 yr cask strength and I went back to buy another even though it was marked up bc I liked it that much.
@@jham2449 I’m with you I bought one bottle a year ago and instantly went back and bought two backups of all the bourbon I own it’s in the top rating for sure. So good and hits my flavor profile well
One of the very few releases I'd actually hunt for this year. Haven't seen it in Wisconsin yet.
Parker Beam was a Heaven Hill distiller. So it was made by a beam but not beam distillery.
Great review guys, I’ll look out for this one now. Happy this one met your expectations for the price. Yeah this year hasn’t been the best for American Whiskey that’s for sure. Some bottles have gotten worse. So nice to see this one buck the trend.
Dan starring deeply into our eyes while removing the packaging was kinda eerie though…I’ll chalk it up to it being Halloween season.
Ill never find one, but great to see a review!! I like the 12 year and BP.
Yes, this year has been $h1+. I'm not even thinking of limiteds anymore, except for the Maker's Wood Finishing. I have only seen the 18 year once in mom and pop, but it was way overpriced. Maybe I will get lucky and find one at a decent price.
I’m a KC fanboy and I would love to have this bottle, but it doesn’t matter because I’ll never see it in a store.
Absolutely love the idea of you guys shitting on whiskeys that overcharge and under-deliver. Hope it reverberates through the community and eventually restores some semblance of sanity to pricing. Pipe dream I know but have to start somewhere.
I think this is my whiskey of the year so far. Love this pour.
I wonder if they’ll add a blantons to the BTAC lineup..and now that I’m typing this, I’m thinking : how the hell have they not added a blantons to the BTAC line??
I asked this one time and it has something to do with Takara actually owning Blanton's and not Buffalo Trace, but they are sort of..contract distilling Blanton's? I'm probably butchering this, but essentially Sazerac doesn't own it so it would be more on Takara to contract Buffalo Trace to make a mash bill #2 Antique Collection bottle.
@@th0rdan no you are 100% right.
Christmas shopping is coming, so this might be the gift I get for myself.
Nice review. I just scored a bottle 1 yr. later and think it's great as well. Really nice balance of oak and sweetness. Paid $199 but not upset.
Speaking of $/year, it was brought up that the willeit 8 yr wheat is at $30/year. That sounds like a lot until you consider Blue Run and Four Gate have their $/year in that same range ($20-30/year depending on release).
I feel like a lot of aged product is lower proof. EC18 is what 90proof? Pappy 15 is 107, many of the Orphan Barrels always seem to be low proof. Haha! You just mentioned Orphan Barrel right when I was done typing that! Cheers!
Idk why people found 12 better than 15…. I prefer the extra KC profile ( admittedly that’s why I love Knob ) of the 15 and blind I and multiple people pick it over the 12 even did a triangle.
That being said…. Really stoked about this 18 sounds like they really did this right !
I was pretty happy with this one as well. I cracked it at the store and shared with the owner and I had to pour another 👌🏻 definitely crushable
Alan D Liquor in Rochester has cases of it right now for state minimum $170
Can't compare it to the wine&cheese willet crowd, and don't go with the "not even $10 per year" because if you want to focus on that, Eagle Rare 10 would be on the top of every one of your lists at $3 per year...
It says a lot about this release knowing that you guys are not the biggest KC fans. Thanks for the review.
I don't venture above 80 dollars often but my collection is still young... and I am in Michigan so... All that said the 22-1 Bookers for me was worth it as well. Might see this by Q2 next year.
Had a chance to try this next to KC15 and 12 and think the money is still with the 15. Your right the profile changes a bit at the 18, and maybe that is what lost me on it, as I really enjoy the 12yr and 15ur KC juice. Seen this between 250-350 around SC/GA and would rather pay for the 15yr twice. Maybe if I find it for 175 I’ll add it to the lineup, but not gonna overpay for it… unless you got cash like that
Damn, you got me hyped to share this bottle with friends... Now I got the problem of having to find one under $200. And then if I do find one in the wild then I have the problem of needing to find friends to share with. This sounds like a lot of work.
Just acquired this and WTMK Unforgotten. Super stoked for both with the holiday season coming up!!
Where was wtmk unforgotten released?
@@adaml9517 buddy scored me one in Tucson.
I actually got both of these this week 😊
I've been asking about this locally and the clerks in my local ABC stores look at me like I've asked about unicorns and bigfoot. I LOVED the 12Y. I'm not going to the secondary market to get this, but if it ends up in my county ABC Christmas lottery, it will be on my list if I win.
Rumor has it, 2 stores in the entire state got all of the allocation, both near metro detroit. Sadness
Now how is this even allowed? If that's true this industry is in need of an overhaul and that's a glaring example of why.
30 years ago...Dan and Sean were JUST in grade school, maybe grade K or 1st...LOL. Cheers guys, great video !
No way I am paying this much for anything in the market. Don't care how good it is. More for the rest of you!
Lots of places got it here in South Carolina but cheapest I found was 244 plus tax and I still picked it up...Had too...Hit me with the oaky note..
For some reason that's the retail price on KC18 in SC. Costco has it for 230 but I just can't convince myself to pay over 200 for this bottle.
I won the lottery at my local liquor store and was blessed that this bottle was still available when it was my turn to choose a bottle
I’m excited Loved the 12 and honestly the 9 is so drinkable.
I'm a big fan of Knob Creek 9 year single barrel reserve... that and Russel Reserve single barrel. Both solid go-to's. =)
These will definitely be sitting on the shelf here unless they go to out of town folks. Nobody that lives where I do which is on the Bourbon trail are gonna pay $250.00 for any bottle of anything. The price for this and the new Russels are insane.
Matt loved it as well. After both of ya'll giving glowing reviews, I really need to hunt this down at 170.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this 18 Yr is not going to be a tough find, over the next 6 months, at MSRP, if you are patient. The 12 & 15 Yr KC both were getting priced up for their first 6 months, then settled right in at their MSRP's in market as supply caught up. This one is pretty good, if you like the KC profile, way better balanced than the 15.
Just got my hands on one, can’t wait to crack it!
260.00 in SC. IT just sits everywhere
Painful audio from Shook - Reason 92, why I watch these videos... Thanks for the bleeding ear drums. Cheers!
Some of you are not taking into consideration and/or understanding that this bourbon and other 12yr + bourbons are sitting for a very long time. Time = money. For an 18 year old bourbon at $180 or under is at least fair/reasonable. There isn't a mass variety of or a lot of older than 15 year bourbons out there and most of them are very likely much more expensive than this.
The Worst Wax On Planet Earth now belongs to Tumblin Dice.
IMO, the age is the exception to the rule of proof vs price. Depending on the number of bottles, the scarcity and age are the biggest factors on pricing. If I can find this for SRP, it's a buy. But anything over $200, it's a pass for me. I'll probably try to find this at a bourbon bar to see if I need to raise or lower the bar on the purchase.
Yeah, it’s waaay past the point of diminishing returns for value. With bourbon that point is around $100 for me. Not paying double to get a 5% better whiskey.
Saw it in KY for $300 and passed. Now I'm second guessing myself....Love the 12 but not so much on the 15. Is $300 too much?
Should I buy this or the calumet 16?
Your Editing is getting so good
Did you mean Booker's and not parker's? Either way this is a great bottle, I keep going back for it and had to get a second one.
love knob creek so this was great to watch! I was wondering how does it compare to either EC 18 year or Eagle Rare 17 year? since they are similar in age and not barrel proof
This might be the most excited dans ever been 😂😂
This year has been rough lol
Had a pour of this last Friday at a bar. This 18yr slaps, and I'm not even a huge fan of older highly oaked whiskey's. Also, at the end you mentioned little book. I have had the newest chapter 6 and it is quite enjoyable. Yes it is 4yr and 5yr whiskey's, and yes it is $120 msrp, but good is good.
Seen this yesterday at a store that used to be good pricing, not anymore over the last year they have been stupid with there prices 299 for this. I believe they have lost me a customer.
I pray to the bourbon gods I can snag one of these. Was it better than Calumet 16? KC12 is gnarly good. 15 is ok...yeah got some off color note to it. Here's to a happy hunt!
This or Lucky Seven Proprietor 15 year? Both at MSRP.
agree with the proof point on it. It’s perfect . I get that it’s fair at 10$ per year BUT it’s a big leap from their last releases at 12 and 15 ..
I've got to get the husband a bottle 🥴
Man high west keeps jacking up their prices..I get bringing them up but I mean mwnd was 50%, which is disappointing as they're my favorite distillery. Stinks they keep dropping everything distillery only so only way most people can get it is secondary
Knob Creek 12yr is really a nice pour for the money but the 18yr is so enjoyable!!!!
Try mixing 12 and 15. 50/50 think it's the best.
I also wanted to mention never let price affect your whiskey rating… price does not reflect quality and your rating should be based off the drink in front of you not what it’s value is…. I think it’s important to mention if something is a good deal or not but basing quality off price just doesn’t make sense anyway you put it.
Value always should be looked at, there are always diminishing returns. Just because we like something doesn't always mean I'm willing to pay 100+ for it. Big difference between good for $40 and good for $150.
I guess my biggest issue is the price. I get it, but when they’ve put out 15 yr picks at 120 proof and at $49.99 it’s hard to justify an over $100 bump for a couple more years and a drop of 20 proof points. The 13-15 yr picks that I have are absolute hitters and the best KC that I’ve had, hands down.
Completely hear what you are saying BUT we are in different times. Honestly someone in the comments said they found this at costco for $130 and change and this crushes every knob single barrel I've ever had. Basing the entire bottle solely on price per year is easy on paper but I've had some Knob picks that were 9 years old that beat a lot of 15's. This bottle in the mid 100's in the current state of the market is a really good bottle of whiskey.
If I owned a liquor store, before you take the bottle home.. I wanna see you take the plastic off. Now sell it
We've opened bottles in stores before with owners for that exact reason
I watched it all the way to the end. It’s finally good to see Dan complaining about High West and admitting their over priced. Ha ha. Cheers Boys Good Video.
18>12>15 But going on price, 12 all day long.
Just killed my 12 the other day, I paid $60 for it
I love that king of Kentucky in the background with like half a shot left
The suns getting low big guy
Tobacco, huh? Such experts...
Am I the only one who actually likes the 9 year the best?
Does this come anything close to ER17?
No, there are so few bottles that do.
The quantum physics going on over Dan's head ☠️
Y'all need more unwrappings like that 😂
As you probably already know I'm heavy into watches ⌚⌚ as well. Some of my favorite ⌚ vid's are the Tuber's struggling to unwrap a new ⌚ leading up to the review 😂. Sometimes it's a real 💩⛈️ trying to unwrap the bracelets on the ⌚🧐😆
You said Parker’s I think you meant Bookers?
How can an 18 yo be a cash grab especially at only 175 bucks? A cash grab is a 3 yo release. That’s real estate in the Rick houses that’s tied up a long time.
For being a brand called *Knob* Creek you guys make a surprisingly small amount of dick jokes about it. Very professional.
ASMR??? Dan, can you please do a full video of AMSR on how to do a cork pop, a long pour, and the drowning pheasant??
$170 bucks, no thanks. I'll stick with the KC 9 year for $27. Overboard packaging is not a good sign. You are paying for that.
I guess I need to try it again. Respect to the boys, I enjoy their show, but my tastebuds consider this the bottle the only really undrinkable bourbon that KC had ever put out.
Parkers is heaven Hill how do you not know that
Aren't parker's heaven Hill?
Yeah we for sure misspoke on that one
(PROOF x AGE) divided by PRICE = VALUE.
Anywhere from 8-10 is average value.
15-20 is excellent. 20+ is amazing. (IF IT TASTES GOOD)
Russells 10 is a 22.5.
Jameson is a 10.
Knob Creek 18 is a 10.6.
I LIKE MATH.
The problem with this formula is that it completely ignores the most important factor. Taste.
Would anyone pay $250 for this bottle? That's the going rate in SC, which made me think it was a cash grab.
That's a cash grab by the store and not the distillery though. Especially if MSRP is around 150.
Can you guys do a review on the batch 2? KC002
You opened it the wrong way, it was backwards 👈
So… forgive my novice state, but isn’t Parker’s from heaven hill?
Yeah... I'm stupid and the flavor profiles match up on this with some of the parkers honestly so I think that's how I got there.
The 9 years is just as good. It's not worth the price
Ive given up hunting bourbon. If I see it, I see it. If not that’s fine too.
You open it the wrong way 😁
LETS GOOOOOO
Parkers is Heavens Hill....
Sure is, what's was that in context though?
@@BourbonJunkies you mentioned it could be a Parker's. Figured maybe it was a mistake because you mentioned Parker's being a Beam product
Well… time to go hunting again.
Anything over $75 keep it 🤨🙄