How To Set Up Your Ultimate In-Ear Rig For Shows! 🥁 - What You Need And How It Works!
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- A full walkthrough of my ultimate in-ear setup for the stage. I'm showing you what you need to put your own rig together as well as how it's all connected. SUBSCRIBE TO THE CHANNEL for more great free drum lessons, tips, advice and cool product reviews.
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Mixers and splitters are definitely a game changer.
Great video! I’m a drummer and also a touring sound engineer. I want to emphasize what you said about “you don’t just show up with one of these” (splitter snake, self-contained monitor system).
My band, The Al Gore Rhythms, in Savannah, GA travels with our own system and we get push back from a lot of clubs and festivals about hooking up our monitoring system. Essentially, we’re so advanced that they don’t want to accommodate our patch. Our splitter is a 24ch CBI, and it lives in a rolling rack case with a Midas M32C, a DL32 stage box (32in, 16out), so everything happens by ipad and phones, no knobs or faders. A Focusrite Interface for click and tracks, 4 rackmount Radial Pro DIs. And then 4 Sennheiser G3 stereo IEM units. Makes for a very heavy and robust system.
About half the time, I bring what we call “the fly rig” which is just 4 Sennheiser G3 IEM units, a Focusrite Interface, and rackmount DIs. It has a patch-thru panel on the front, and the monitor engineer just hands us monitor tails for each mix. It takes some time…IEM mixes are more sensitive to getting the levels right than a wedge mix….but competent engineers love IEM because it drastically reduces stage volume giving them more control, and they MAJORLY reduce issues with feedback.
A big warning, IEMs can be a BIG adjustment for some band members, so it’s important to have rehearsals and approach it carefully. IEMs can be a commitment, there’s not really room for a diva to say “I don’t like this, give me a wedge” so don’t put yourself in a position where everyone is not prepared and committed to this kind of system.
Lastly, I know we’re all on different levels talking about investment in something like this. I want to say Seismic Audio is a very low quality brand. It is, by far, the cheapest splitter made of the lowest quality cable, and lowest quality connectors. I’ve had many problems with Seismic audio products over the years. Yes, they are better than nothing, but they break easy, short out, connectors get stuck in different ways sometimes killing the channel with it…don’t expect to get more than 50-100 shows out of one without some problems. And definitely do not buy their XLR or instrument cables, that stuff is JUNK. I learned it the hard way.
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I would love to see more live videos with proper mixed track from you!
Why does youtube care when you leave this site when clicking a merch link.. why?
great rig set up .. gonna invest .. your video about the hip kit got me to buy a Set myself... keep up the great content. cheers
Hey Rob. Just watched you play with Jacob Moon and the Classic Troubadours in Perth! Fantastic playing and fabulous show! You and bass player Mark were groovin! Loved the whole band! Amazed and humbled! Have been playing regularly in a band for about 5 years. Always learning! Really enjoy your video and that was the original reason to go see you. Enjoyed it immensely! Will check out your next visit back here in September!
Hey thanks, man 🙂 We were all really happy with both of those shows. The Sting & Peter Gabriel show in September will be a ton of fun
Awesome. Will check it out if I can make it. Love your videos, and was great to see you play in a live setting. Cheers.
Thanks!
Appreciate the info! Very helpful!
Whoa nice rig Rob, go big or go home! Well-deserved. Thank you for making this video. Looking at the DM3 right now on Sweetwater.
This is very cool. Cheers, Rob! 👍🏻👍🏻✌️🥁🇨🇦
I love this idea.
I tried for years to find a solution to the same problem.
What I can e up with was I internally mic’s all my drums with Kelly shu systems and I run all those mics to a behringer xair. That way I’m not in anyone’s way with mic mixes and a a run the rest of the band into my mixer. 👊🏻
Behringer x air 16/ 18 or 32 would be good compact digital mixers.
I had one, not bad, Zoom L 12 is an economical way to go, record onto an SD, And I can run my Ipad with Logic Pro direct also. run Backing tracks from the ipad. All plug and play with usb.
I've been sporting the trusty Soundcraft UI24R. Sure is worth it.
Thanks Rob, awesome video. I was thinking back about that perfect mix. I can remember only a couple shows were it was absolutely perfect!
Gracias
I finally just finished building your setup from a video a couple years ago dang it.. got the Yamaha mixer.
I've always liked your vids and this was toward the top of the top. Only thing I would is I like to mic the room as well and put that into my ears ... I use a Zoom H2N and it works a treat when setup right because it has both a built in limiter and compressor. The only thing that surprises me is the mono wireless to your ears ... but if it's working for you it's working for you :) Thanks again.
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You got to set that all up. Lot of stuff.
You get it down to a science after a few gigs 👌🏽
I use a similar setup on my band. We also have looms in the rack so we never have to patch cables. Just run the loom to each player and plug in the mics/instruments. It's super fast, the stage is quiet with no monitors, and the sound is the same every night. It's glorious.
If Rob says something is going to change my life, I’m going to listen
I am spoiled because I use an Axiom 16 channel in ear from the board running cat 6, Full control of every instrument on stage.
Great video, thanx !
Did you mic your drums with your own mics , so your IEM mix is always the same ??
Or du you use the mics of the sound man, so you have to tweek you IEM mix every time from scratch ??
HUH! Don't seem practical for the kind of local rooms I gig! In addition, I am a totally blind drummer! Always need to deal with app accessibility issues, Setlist management, click tracks everything I run for the band while being blind! Man, lol! Moreover, you got to convince players that the investment is worth it, a solution that is all for one needs total buy in! Thanks, rob, I'll look at your inner monitor set up and that's about it from this video. Cheers!
How do you send the in-ear mixes to the rest of the crew?
Just so you are aware, the DM3 has Dante. It was hard to tell but it looked like the FOH stage box you plugged into was Dante. You could just run a network cable and get all your channels directly from Dante with no snake or splitter.
There’s a Dante version, yes. But it was a bit over my budget and delivery of the first handful to Canada was a few weeks longer than the Standard one.
@@RobBeatdownBrown Gotcha, I had to look online. I did not realize there was a non Dante version. Looks like it is a $200 difference now.
Been using Behringer x32 mixer Wichita has its own router. I can connect my iPad with the app and adjust my IEM at the kit. Used to work great but now for some reason I can’t connect to the router anymore very frustrating.
Great vid. Have you changed the way you incorporate Backing tracks because of the new set up? Cheers.
It’s been a long time since I’ve had to run tracks 🙏🏼 thank goodness. We play this show top to bottom the way it was intended lol
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Are your Drum microphones plugged into the digital mixer?
I have a question. How does this relate to the remaining band members monitoring set-up? If you are taking a split with the one snake going to your Yamaha mixer and the other going to FOH, how do the others get signal to their monitors?
The DM3 has 6 available Aux outs, so each band member gets a line to their own ears. Then they connect to the mixer through Yamaha’s MonitorMix app where they can tailor their own personal mix.
Thanks for the video Rob. Another added value to the rig you showed us today is the fact that the DM3 can also serve as an audio interface in the studio with 18 I/O over USB. I noticed you already have a Presonus Audio Interface, but have you tested the DM3 in your studio by any chance?
I haven’t yet, no. I bought this DM3 specifically for the shows. But yes, it’s a fully capable studio interface as well and it does come with Cubase. Might try it out one day
I 2nd that comment.
Zoom L 12 is an economical way to go, record onto an SD, And I can run my Ipad with Logic Pro direct also. run Backing tracks from the ipad. All plug and play.
Great info Rob! Randy - I'm attempting similar with my Zoom L 12 - care to share any helpful tips you've found? Thanks!
Do splitters work for phantom power??
I think I would suggest a conversation with a sound guy for the long answer, but the short answer is yes
no issues. feed phantom from ONE of the consoles. usually the non iso split
This a great idea, but seems like crazy overkill? Every time I've played a venue or event, most FOH guys use a digital mixer. That being said, most of them run them from an ipad or Mac. I carry an ipad with me for my setlist app. Plus I have all the digital mixer apps downloaded onto my iPad. The FOH guy tells me what system he's using, I open the app he gives me the password, tells me what channel I'm on and BOOM! I'm off to the races!!! That being said, I can control mine, and the rest of the bands mixes right there from my little iPad.
Would it also work to use your presonus digital mixer?
Absolutely. But my 16r stays planted in my studio. I also love the instant access to the DM3’s physical faders on stage for quick adjustments while the sticks are still moving. That’s definitely another option for a stage mixer, though.
@@RobBeatdownBrown OK, yes, that makes sense. Thanks for doing this man. I really need this because we're playing Jazz, and I need to make adjustments because if the brushes are the right volume, then the sticks are too loud and vice versa. I really need to be able to adjust that to FOH, but I don't think they will let me do that.
I am so spoiled with in ears now, if a gig does not have a front of house board, I run my on stage mic for the band mix, back to my in ear mixer .
I can confirm from my own experience: you try an IEM setup once, and that’s it. Instant lifelong addiction. No way you’d want to go back to wedge monitors ever again.
And yes, it is not cheap. Especially if you decide to spring for custom molded IEMs. Those things alone will set you back by $1-1.5 G per band member. But it’s sooooo worth it!
Yup. Gotta think in terms of an investment instead of just a ‘purchase’. If you’re gigging lots, it’ll eventually pay itself off
get a rack digital mixer like the personus
As much as I love what you do on your channel.
Why not use cat 5 or 6 as a snake . My band doses and it works wonderfull. // cheers
Some sound guys at foh don't like it if they only get a digital trim instead of direct access to the preamps for proper gain staging. With digital snakes the band's mixer woud provide that gain staging.
So essentially, you're the monitor/IEM tech for the whole band with each member having some control over their own feed by using the smart phone/tablet app with the venue's sound tech having control of the FOH, as usual. I'm guessing that it increases your workload considerably however you feel it's worth it having full control of your own mix. The rest of the band probably appreciates that too. Thanks for the tips. Cheers!
The app saves me from fully wearing that hat, thankfully. As soon at I connect the router and the crew connects to the DM3, they’ve got 100% control over their personal mix, which is all they need. So my workload doesn’t really increase at all.
@@RobBeatdownBrownbut given that it’s a splitter, can you just leave the band on their own with the monitor desk person while you mix your own IEM feed? My band has several Luddites and I’d just as soon avoid the whole conversation.
sim to my rig. I have 3 x 8 channel splitters. 24 channel to my qsc touch mix 30 . split to f.oh. 4 stereo mixes via shure psm 900's. feed to my pd bc2 throne. a few spare mixes available
Yes, that Porter & Davis BC2 is awsome. I use the same. Imagine having three monitor channels (Stereo IEMs + the sub) just for a drummer 20 years ago. 😂
Et not use sq6 i can access the full monitor mix with wifi
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Wow. You just blew my mind with that technology. I thought I was doing well with a mixer and IEM connected to the mix.
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I use Yamaha ead10 for simpler mic'ing of full kit
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Dang Rob! This rig is a game-changer! A serious investment for sure & I know it eliminates a whole lotta headaches.
Thank you for sharing too. I really appreciate it. 👍
I wouldn’t recommend buying just “any” wifi router/access point from Amazon for this because they really can’t handle the job. Do yourself a favor and splurge in this department. An Amplifi Alien or Unifi AP (if you have some IT skills) have plenty of power and bandwidth to support this setup without interference, static or signal drop.
wtf man your arms are huge
I don’t want to look stupid lol
No you DON’T 😎
Thanks!
What happened to simply playing? Striving for mastery of the instruments without all these gadgets? I mean no disrespect to anyone who does. Seems like cheating to me.
How is hearing yourself and the rest of the band properly cheating?
This means that you can EQ every channel independently of what's comming out of the front PA, which is amazing for personal mixing to your taste. My question is: the remaining band members can only turn the volumes of each channel up or down on their buses, using the app? Usually these cheaper mixers don't have independent eqs for the main out and buses. Which means you can mix perfectly for your ears, eq included in each channel, but your band members will only adjust the volumes of each channel on their buses, having to use the eq you made, right?
Correct. The app is limited to just the basic volume/pan adjustments. If they want EQ or FX or anything else, it’s quick work from the DM3’s giant screen. But they never ask for it.
@@RobBeatdownBrownthank you for clearing that up. I was almost sure this was the case, but needed confirmation. For now I use the app for changing volumes of the main mix and for now, it's usable. But I can only imagine that using EQ to my personal taste must be heavenly. Maybe one day 😅