Pathfinder WotR: (True) Aeon Ending

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  • @quantras2673
    @quantras2673 3 роки тому +37

    Figured I'd put this here but it seems this isn't the only option now for true Aeons in the ending.
    Before only renegade Aeons could do the normal ending or ascend, but now it looks like a true Aeon can decide between the retcon ending or the regular one if they don't want to retcon themselves or want to do the ascension ending instead (You can get the crystal dagger back when you travel back to save Trendelev iirc)
    *Perception check now shows a correct DC during dialogue at the last distortion on Aeon's path in Threshold. You may now refuse to go inside the distortion and proceed with the usual ending*

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +1

      I shall test this out. I still won't be able to ascend because I didn't fulfill the requirements anyway, but it's nice to know regardless. Update: My save just prior to the portal itself still won't let me refuse it. Will test further with a save further back and edit this post if anything changes.

    • @quantras2673
      @quantras2673 3 роки тому +1

      @@Chrimp1724 they did put the patch as a beta so it might be pretty buggy and not work properly or something. Was just throwing it out there when I saw.

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому

      I only later realized it was beta-only. I switched over. I've got to say, it's very... disappointing. No mention of where the Commander goes or what he does (as I chose to leave Drezen behind). The second slide or so states that you failed to be a True Aeon by refusing to alter the past.

    • @quantras2673
      @quantras2673 3 роки тому

      @@Chrimp1724 sounds more like what happens with a renegade aeon which is odd. I've seen one thing where it mentioned stuff like Axiomites helping rebuild the area around the worldwound (and it was listed for true Aeon) or what Staunton did after you retconned Drezen. Maybe it's still bugged in the beta? wouldn't be surprised tbh.

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому

      @@quantras2673 It mentioned the Axiomites leaving, but Staunton and Terendelev got mentions.

  • @deusvult5738
    @deusvult5738 2 роки тому +116

    commander: *ceases to exist*
    regill: *keeps on living* "the commander did not give me the order to die".
    dammit regill you making me tear up.

  • @House_Kreinath
    @House_Kreinath 3 роки тому +83

    Aeon Ending be like "I do not vibe with this world!" *ceases to exist*

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +30

      Literally a case of "My existence is breaking cosmic law, and as a cosmic judge I have to uphold the law. Guess I'll die."

  • @zerg0s
    @zerg0s 3 роки тому +148

    Man, the good Aeon ending for Regill makes me tear up.

    • @KindRider
      @KindRider 3 роки тому +4

      Same

    • @Gorf2003
      @Gorf2003 3 роки тому +48

      Gotta respect that "Can't die, didn't get an order to." :D

    • @KindRider
      @KindRider 3 роки тому +44

      The man beats back his natural lifespan for the sake of duty and respect.

    • @ajxx9987
      @ajxx9987 3 роки тому +15

      Best companion

    • @exantiuse497
      @exantiuse497 3 роки тому +10

      Me too. Even though he's a stern, evil SOB he's still loyal to his Commander (even though he no longer exists/never actually existed)

  • @viktorvorel
    @viktorvorel 3 роки тому +72

    Thanks for the vid! I went with Angel path but I love Aeon ending - so bittersweet and sad. Most of the companion slides for Aeon ending are sad: Two people would never fall in love - one would even die in obscurity; some overzealous guy would remain humble and compassionate in a little village that has never know war; a veteran became a boastful lunatic with an impossible tale which she said "You don't have to believe me"; an amateur painter-priest made a single striking piece in his entire career about a scene of a war that never happened; and the old Hellknight who resisted death itself for the sole reason of "Only in death does duty ends".
    I am simply amazed at what Owlcat did to WotR. So many choices and consequences.

    • @likeAG6likeAG6
      @likeAG6likeAG6 3 роки тому +7

      True, Aeon ending is depressing as f. Glad I didn't peak them even tho I always tend to go LN side.

    • @jamesvivian2855
      @jamesvivian2855 3 роки тому +6

      I just couldn’t damn Arueshelae like that

    • @the-witch-tako
      @the-witch-tako 2 роки тому +5

      I have to disagree with the way you described Seelah's fate. She is still the same brave paladin she was, fighting evil in other places, just a bit sadder

  • @Cruxmajor
    @Cruxmajor 3 роки тому +40

    That aura around Pharasma...interesting :)

  • @SilvX610
    @SilvX610 2 роки тому +22

    So i watched these spoilers and now i'm depressed. Though this is the best outcome for the world, this is the most depressing ending. Having worked so hard...saved the world, yet not having existed in the first place. Only a few people remember and are hurt because of the loss...

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  2 роки тому +15

      My personal "canon" ending is not even leaving behind a memory. Why would I? I did my duty; I have no need for a sense of self. I am an Aeon, after all.
      The mortal who is born in this timeline with the soul that could've become me can, at least, continue their existence without Areelu's interference. All is as should be.
      To be serious though; yeah, it's bittersweet - just like the Aeon's theme and arguably the Aeon's entire existence.

    • @SilvX610
      @SilvX610 2 роки тому +4

      @@Chrimp1724 i'd be too fkin emotional to play aeon :))

  • @servantofthemachinegod6322
    @servantofthemachinegod6322 3 роки тому +40

    Just finished the lich playthrough. TBH, it was not as satisfying as something I have seen here. (playing a bad guy does come with its downsides). This is one of the most satisfying things I've seen. In my ending Regil died with great honors. Here, my dear comrade lives, because he was not given the order to die. Literally, this gnome is so man, he is too man to die. Absolutely glorious.

  • @АртёмИбрагимов-с7д
    @АртёмИбрагимов-с7д 2 роки тому +10

    But in this end Arushalae, probably, never kill a Dezna's priestess and therefore never ascend... and its so fng sad(

    • @soMeRandoM670
      @soMeRandoM670 Рік тому +1

      I am sure somewhere its she keeps killing desna worshipers if shes remembers you in attempt get a dream

  • @miltongalindosantibanez9863
    @miltongalindosantibanez9863 3 роки тому +13

    Goddamn my man Regill didn't had the right to make me suffer like that.

  • @vampireguy
    @vampireguy 3 роки тому +25

    YOU’VE CREATED A TIME PARADOX!!!

  • @Some_Idiot_on_the_Internet
    @Some_Idiot_on_the_Internet Рік тому +12

    This is the biggest damn hero ending, in a weird way the noblest solution as well. The Angel path is all about self-sacrifice and dedication but it actually asks nothing of you, you never suffer for your cause the way others do, you never sacrifice like those in Pulura's Fall or suffer like Lariel, Targona or the Hand of Iomedae do. The Aeon path achieves more good than any other, it prevents wrongs from happening entirely but the cost of that achievement is deeply personal. People you care about die, or are so fundamentally changed they bare no resemblance to the people they were. And none of them remember you. You undo yourself and only one being in the universe even knew you existed and what you did for the countless innocents spared by your sacrifice. It is the most bitter sweet ending possible.

    • @fredwin
      @fredwin 6 місяців тому +5

      It's the best ending, but in reality an evil one in disguise. A cosmic being of law and neutrality deciding the greater good, destroying any vestige or notion of free will. If you existed in a world with this being, whom had the power to unmake anything on the wrong side of cosmic law, you'd think it was omnipotently evil.

    • @ВладимирБабичев-ц3ш
      @ВладимирБабичев-ц3ш 16 днів тому

      ​@@fredwin Doubt that totally since aeons reacts here only because of Abyss plane invasion into plane of mortals. They didn't prevent any war between mortals in their own plane, nor cancel any positive achievement. Mortals are allowed to do their mortal thing until they get invaded by other plane or try to invade other plane themselves.

    • @janehrahan5116
      @janehrahan5116 8 днів тому

      How did such a moronic take get 5 likes?

  • @Talthain
    @Talthain 3 роки тому +15

    The writing for this game is excellent. So many cool concepts and emotions. Even though I have spoiled myself a bit I still want to play the Aeon path.
    I hope to play this game one day soon.

    • @thisisaname5589
      @thisisaname5589 3 роки тому +3

      It's really good, but there are some annoying parts. The Gold Dragon stuff in particular was kind of cringey, and most of the evil choices are kind of stupid evil, not pragmatic at all.

    • @Aschwartz14
      @Aschwartz14 2 роки тому +1

      I didn’t think the gold dragon path was cringe at all. Though I do wish it wasn’t a late game path. I hated having to say goodbye to my chaos dragon

    • @fredwin
      @fredwin 6 місяців тому

      @@Aschwartz14 It wasn't complete, though. The Aeon path and a couple others are almost entirely finished. One of the biggest letdowns I had was finally rescuing the Queen, bursting into her bunker as a massive Gold Dragon, just to be hand-waved a simple "Greetings, Commander."

  • @reecedactyl
    @reecedactyl 3 роки тому +6

    thanks for sharing i switched to gold dragon on mine. glad pharasma added that areelu wasn't innocent. I was gonna say she only didn't do it cos she got stopped, if she decided not to then it'd be different.

  • @deusvult5738
    @deusvult5738 2 роки тому +6

    this is the best ending for the world, but the worst ending for you, as a person. you have nothing to do because you never did. because nothing never did happen. your sense of duty was so strong that you didn't even hesitate to wipe yourself from existence when it broke cosmic laws.

  • @Aristocles22
    @Aristocles22 2 роки тому +5

    "Cease to exist" doesn't mean much if you can resume existence to speak with Pharasma.

  • @Decarabian_Star_
    @Decarabian_Star_ 2 роки тому +5

    Why Regill? why did you have to break me like that?

  • @ryanpruner1853
    @ryanpruner1853 3 роки тому +8

    Interesting ending. Kind of happy but also kind of sad

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +3

      You save everyone (except Areelu) and ensure the existence of people that would not have been born if the Worldwound had opened. The only downside is that you cease to exist (in your current form. A mortal with your original soul will eventually be born if they are not already alive due to being one of those races that lives for centuries). It is truly the most bittersweet ending and I'd have it no other way.

  • @xZeru001x
    @xZeru001x 3 роки тому +15

    I'll take this as the best ending for areelu besides the apotheosis one, since I think this is the only one where she is sentenced to somewhere good. Think the best you could do for the other paths was send to maelstrom but since didn't do anything could convince to send to Elysium.

    • @xZeru001x
      @xZeru001x 3 роки тому

      @@MrParadux I just saw some info on that so yeah another one not sure if there are others or those are it.

    • @viktorvorel
      @viktorvorel 3 роки тому +5

      Imo the Maelstrom is not a bad ending for Areelu. She's a scientist after all - and a brilliant one at that. She'll fit in right at home over there.

    • @xZeru001x
      @xZeru001x 3 роки тому +3

      @@viktorvorel granted I don't know much about that realm but on the surface level of what pharasma said and a wiki on that plane it is chaotic, unstable, and no set rules. Think with that alone that would be counter to a scientist since the parameters always change. Think the best outcome there would be she gains some divinity there since there seems to be an assortment of powerful beings there. Also I was basing that pharasma was angry in how she responds but seems to be lenient and wants her to contemplate and seems that the possibility of her leaving there could be something. Then with the other ones she seemed to be giving areelu a break or peace from the chaos she had experienced from this life. I'm sure her soul prob would figure things out in the maelstrom but I think it would still be a time of struggle instead of rest. Overall though the apotheosis ending is the best since she was able to accomplish what she wanted, that being living a life that wasn't determined or bound by fate and can actually study the planes themselves on another level.

    • @Aschwartz14
      @Aschwartz14 2 роки тому +3

      No. You can get her to truly repent with the pure gold dragon ending, and she gets sent to Elysium in that one too

  • @moisesblanco7798
    @moisesblanco7798 3 роки тому +2

    Thanx you for posting this. I hope you will upload more clips about the differents mythic paths

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +3

      I'm working on an Angel/Gold Dragon playthrough right now, so you should see some highlights of them within the week. Possibly some companions' quests as well.

  • @diekssus7194
    @diekssus7194 3 роки тому +9

    haha a mortals understanding of time, a paradox he says, how adorable.

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +11

      That's right, nothing to see here; just a regular, standard-issue mortal.

  • @burnout02urza
    @burnout02urza 3 роки тому +10

    THE TIME JANNIE DOES IT FOR FREE

  • @Augusto2
    @Augusto2 3 роки тому +9

    if Owlcat decides to continue making pathfinder games i hope they take thisone as the cannon ending of WoTR

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +7

      It's quite the drastic alteration to the timeline. It's... glorious, in its own way, isn't it?

    • @zondor8123
      @zondor8123 3 роки тому +8

      the ascencion is the hardest and secret ending, knowing owlcat that would be the cannon for this game.
      so does the kingmaker follows the defeat of the lantern king

  • @SoraJustAGuy
    @SoraJustAGuy 3 роки тому +11

    Tried lawful play through, didn’t like crazy lawful decisions(execute this execute that) and so I’m trying to play good guy but then aeon is like “Bad aeon, bad, you gonna lose your time traveling trick if you behave like this” , broke immersion for me. and so I rerolled char and played for angels(quite epic btw)
    Now I see lawful ending and...not sure what to make of it, but I’m glad I found this video and didn’t force myself through lawful path. Gonna give aeon another try and this time Fuck aeon daddy, I’m gonna be for greater good and to hell with cosmic laws.
    Thank you very much for uploading this👏

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +7

      Yeah, "True" Aeon is disregarding everything except the law. You're supposed to do everything BY. THE. BOOK. and disregard morality.
      And your thanks are appreciated.

    • @viktorvorel
      @viktorvorel 3 роки тому

      Same sentiment here. My original character concept was a paladin since I want to have a closer connection to faith, but seeing the Lawful requirement... I just decided to make do without divine power and go full fighter instead - so I can be free to choose the best path to achieve good. One such example is sparing/convincing Nurah.

    • @Rezenbekk
      @Rezenbekk 3 роки тому +1

      Aeons are not "good guys". Just look at the portraits; they hold the stars, but they also hold the black holes.

  • @seeinred
    @seeinred Рік тому +4

    commader: ceases to exist
    pharasma: you will be remembered, you have earned your peace
    so that was a fucking lie. shitty gods do be shitty.

  • @wuthering20
    @wuthering20 2 роки тому +4

    Did Camellia have a true Aeon ending slide? Or everyone playing this route just executed her? (like I did...)

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  2 роки тому +2

      I executed her. That said, as pointed out by others, Camellia's father would've never ended up in the situation he did. He may have never met her mother, and therefore Camellia might've never been born at all.

  • @BrokenFluorite
    @BrokenFluorite 3 роки тому +5

    But what about other companions? Or Lann, Woljif, Camellia were never born in this timeline?

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +8

      I recruited Wenduag (I started out as Lawful Evil) instead of Lann. Since she doesn't appear, I assume it's because it would've been such a drastic shift in a life due to the mongrels beneath Kenabres never existing since the Worldwound never opened and so there were never crusaders to be descendants of. I hadn't recruited Woljif either, though my understanding is that he remains a thief.
      As for Camellia?
      She never made it to the end, because I put her down the moment the game let me confirm that she was in fact a murderer and didn't just happen to stand over corpses every time the party split up. I was the arbiter of The Law, after all. I imagine she would've remained at large in a timeline without my presence. What's more strange is that the redeemed Arueshalae (no romance in this playthrough) does not get a mention. Likely a bug or oversight.

    • @Haos51
      @Haos51 3 роки тому +9

      @@Chrimp1724 From what I've seen there is a ending where Lann, Wendhu, and Woljif are alive and are just normal humans, with Woljif going back into crime. Cameliia doesn't have one and weirdly enough I feel like she might be one of the few who may not get to exist via her parents not meeting. After all no need for new servants with everyone alive and Camellia's dad would of remained a servant. Plus side less of a chance of a child bastard since he wouldn't have to worry about that but still.

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +4

      @@Haos51 True! I hadn't thought about Camellia's father not being who he was impacting her birth or lack thereof. The little details that are lost in the broad strokes of time travel...

    • @quantras2673
      @quantras2673 3 роки тому +6

      There's a guy called Danaduchy who has posted seemingly most of the endings in a video, ua-cam.com/video/bK9AOtZBEps/v-deo.html
      If you just want the quick rundown on those three's retcon endings though
      Woljif is a normal human, he still becomes a thief when he runs away from home, and when he's in jail the guards get confused by him saying how if the "chief" was still around they'd let him out real quick.
      Lann is a normal country boy from a village outside Kenabres and Wenduag his neighbour's daughter. They argue and make up a lot and had a bond that is "more than simple friendship" and seem to share some "terrible secret". Parents give their blessing but they never get married.
      Not sure if there's a variant for romance for those two since if you let them remember a romanced Galfrey never marries, otherwise she marries a knight.

    • @BrokenFluorite
      @BrokenFluorite 3 роки тому

      @@quantras2673 Thank you!

  • @ScapyMaki
    @ScapyMaki 3 роки тому +5

    Damn what about Arueshalae :(

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +5

      She never gets mentioned for whatever reason, likely a bug. I did not romance her (or anyone else) but she was fully "redeemed" to the point where as an Aeon you can screech about how Desna shouldn't pardon her criminal aura.

    • @WalwodGrimblood
      @WalwodGrimblood 3 роки тому +10

      "Among many demons that inhabited Alushinyrra, the succubus by the name of Arueshalae was known for her cunning and deftness. In time, she was recognized and elevated by the ruler of the city. Her serene demeanor marked her out as a different from her sisters and she surprised all she met with her dislike for bloodshed. However, those who considered her soft were taught a swift and deadly lesson."

    • @Rebut1613
      @Rebut1613 3 роки тому +2

      in my true aeon ending, she became evil again like once she was, she's raping others and after that torture them and cut them into pieces. her deed was so cruel and merciless even for the demons her name became more and more notorious
      but she felt disgust about herself and wishes that commander returns and see what a monster he made

    • @WalwodGrimblood
      @WalwodGrimblood 3 роки тому +2

      @@Rebut1613 Yep, that’s the truest gigachad Aeon ending.

  • @arcmen2275
    @arcmen2275 3 роки тому +3

    Can't believe that bug is innocent.

  • @DPtdryste
    @DPtdryste Рік тому

    Regill. Is. So. Gangster. Bro.

  • @zondor8123
    @zondor8123 3 роки тому +1

    make the godhood ascen ending next, that is the hardest to achieve by far (different mythic has different godhood ending)

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +2

      I'm working through an Angel/Gold Dragon play-through right now and fully intend to pick up all the requirements for the ascension ending, rest assured. Renegade Aeon (ascension is not available to True Aeon) is probably going to be one of my last, though.

  • @lirv8604
    @lirv8604 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for the video!! Just one question. When do you get mythic rank 9 as an Aeon? I finished Iz but got nothing. Thanks in advance :)

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +1

      From memory, you only get mythic rank 10 just before you enter the portal in this video.

    • @lirv8604
      @lirv8604 3 роки тому

      @@Chrimp1724 Yeah, that I know but what about mythic rank 9? I'm still at rank 8 and I'm about to enter the Threshold quest. Is this alright? I'm just a bit worried I might be suffering a bug or something.

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +1

      @@lirv8604 I honestly can't remember, sorry. It's been awhile.

    • @lirv8604
      @lirv8604 3 роки тому +1

      @@Chrimp1724 Don´t worry. I´ve already found out it is indeed a bug because if i continue to the Theshold i just end up with rank 9 instead of 10 before the ending. I hope they fix it. Thanks again for answering :)

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому

      @@lirv8604 No problem. Thanks for watching and commenting.

  • @tamerlan110
    @tamerlan110 3 роки тому +3

    Hm, during the Aeon path it is posible to save Terendelev, but reject Aeon's True Ending?

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +2

      I glanced around Threshold for an alternative path. I might simply be (semi)blind, but the portal was all I saw. On the other hand, straying from being peak Lawful Aeon would require another playthrough. From what I've heard, doing so prevents you from redeeming Staunton so I imagine you'd have to start the straying after saving Terendelev, which might not even be possible even if it were solely tied to alignment and not previous choices in the Aeon quests. Either way, Terendelev only shows up as a cameo in a battle (and not as a very effective combatant, I might add).

    • @quantras2673
      @quantras2673 3 роки тому +2

      From what I've seen, you can still timetravel as a renegade Aeon but you can't get as good outcomes. Xanthir can only be killed or let go, not redeemed. Staunton can still be redeemed iirc and you can prevent Drezen falling but he leaves after, and Terendelev won't listen to you and will still eat shit.

  • @ajxx9987
    @ajxx9987 3 роки тому +1

    Does the renegade aeon change anything?

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +2

      Allegedly, though I can't verify anything since I don't intend to do a renegade Aeon playthrough for a while.

  • @xxan84
    @xxan84 Рік тому

    I don't like the Aeon ending since you, well, die... Don't like that. They should offer a way for you to keep on existing as a judge.

  • @Arminas86
    @Arminas86 3 роки тому +2

    This ending is so shitty, does it have other variants or is this what to expect at the end?

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +12

      Not from what I could see. Supposedly there's a difference between being an official, peak Lawful Neutral Aeon (this) and being a "renegade" where you make your judgments according to your whims rather than THE LAAAAW. Personally, I found this ending to be bittersweet. The only person who does not survive this timeline is Areelu and the current version of yourself. The mortal version that Areelu would go on to implant with mythic powers simply lives their mortal life, whatever it may be.
      It also makes it all the more tragic should you choose to remain an Aeon for the full path. You gradually become a cog in the cosmic machine; a tool to be used and discarded as needed for the sake of an uncaring universe and yet it is arguably the most "moral" outcome because the Worldwound never opens. And yet you could've saved yourself by shifting paths and avoiding this fate.

    • @Augusto2
      @Augusto2 3 роки тому +2

      im guessing you can do all the Aeon time travels and just skip this one leaving a world where the Worldwound does occur but many characters get revived/reddimed

    • @Chrimp1724
      @Chrimp1724  3 роки тому +9

      Not as a "True" Aeon. You see me at the start try to pull away from the rift, but it doesn't let me. There were no other paths that I could find. In the end, I was a machine riding upon rails that I had willfully stepped onto quite a long time ago - and had no means of getting off.