Crusader Kings 2 - Part 10 - Losing the Plot
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Crusader Kings 2 continues, as King Jon the Fat struggles to deal with a sudden burst of murderous plotting, and a small conflict rapidly spirals into something much bigger and more dangerous than we were expecting...
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"King Jon the fat has rolled off the battlefield" is now my favorite sentence
Surely such a great (if slightly frail) mad would have people to do it for him! So "King Jon the fat was rolled off the battlefield" might be more accurate :-D Perhaps slightly less presticious still.
“We are in a great position!”
…45 minutes later…
“This is pretty much the nightmare scenario.”
"The bubonic plague, thats bad!"
Jons game knowledge is improving rapidly!
Jon should be more careful not to dismiss his levies until they are back in his realm. After the end of the Leon war, he went from over 2000 troops to 700 something due to dismissing them in England.
hahah yeah im sure his vassels where so happy to get 1/3 of their troops back :D
Yep get yer troops back onto home soil before disbanding! I've done that in the past and weakened myself so much that a neighbouring kingdom immediately attacked a few days after the disbandment and crushed me.
@@lordvenusianbroonof course, if they're raised long enough you don't actually need to worry since the levy bar inside the holding will still reinforce over time. This becomes especially apparent during long peacetime raids where you get it all the way back to full before ever releasing the troops.
King Jon's story wouldn't be as good if he started out strong. His poor start and gluttonous nature made for a much better story when he finally built himself and his kingdom up.
dragmire3D that's why the idiots are more fun to play.
Say what you will, hiring that witch to be the court doctor was arguably one of the best decisions that King Jon ever made. She has not only saved his life twice, but I suspect a lot of the people of the Welsh court as well.
Nobody expected much when king John took over? We expected to see a great famine in wales
Cinos 99 I half expected him to _eat_ Wales
I was going to write this but you beat me to it, damn you and something something :D
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Poor Jon. Born to the greatest of them all, Duke Cadoc, but was never properly recognized despite all the prosperity he’s brought.
We thought Jon was rubbish, now he's a fat, promiscuous, war-mongering, one-armed hero! Surely Yuselass plus inventory items, direction and events has great potential?!
It always went the opposite way you would expect, though. Conan was thought to be a god among men, the conqueror of Wales,... and then he died after a short and chaotic reign that left Cornwall none the richer.
Meanwhile nobody believed King Jon was good for anything. The people even called him The Fat pretty much as soon as he was on the throne. And now look what he achieved!
King Jon may be the greatest ruler of Cornwall so far: He created a kingdom, gave more rights to women, expanded the empire, and brokered lasting peace with the strongest faction in England.
He did more than get lasting peace: he formed an alliance! That's way better!
Totes. Now if he can just spend all that 2K Prestige before he dies for a lasting military infrastructure...
Nick Christie huh, how do you do that? I’m kinda new to this game.
You can't spend prestige as a feudal lord. In tribal governments, you use prestige to build buildings in your tribes, and you can use it to instantly spawn a big (though poorly equipped) army.
Tom Jiang Thanks for correcting, Tom. I was totally thinking of that tribal mechanism.
You could say King Jon conquered Leon....... single handed.
*_YEEEEAAAAAAAAHH_*
CSI Miami reference?
Yep. I mean the meme in general, but yep.
Alright let me get my Aviators.
I mean, he didn't, he never would have done it without Mercia, but I did laugh.
King Jon the Braided with a hook for a hand, scarred from war and cancer. A weak man who became strong through experience uniting the people under the Kingdom of Wales.
Redemption story of the century.
nah, every time he go in trouble he just ate a bit and went with his guts.
He had some fantastic character development, I'll say that.
This was an emotional roller coaster. I'm not too proud to admit I was overly excited for King Jon's survival.
after watching a video with ads every ten mins i respect Jon for not putting a single ad past the beginning
Controlled realm inheritence is pretty important Jon.
Also the best way to get the other 3 counties of Wales from England is probably to try to foment a revolt in those counties with your spymaster and then when the county goes into revolt, declare war on the rebels to press your claim. If you can defeat the rebels before England puts down the revolt, you get to enforce your demands and the rebels and the county falls to you without England being able to do anything about it.
I don't know the game very well but saw you could disrupt and cause rebellion in other territories. Jon do this!!!
JON DO THIS!
It's pretty hard to make a revolt happen, and I don't think it's worth the effort to even try. Just stay alert for a rebellion or when England is weak and take something over.
A good spymaster can have between a 5-10 percent chance per year to foment a revolt. It's not great odds, but it certainly increases the odds of getting a rebellion beyond just waiting for one. And it helps to make a rebellion more likely when it is advantageous to the player instead of just happening randomly, when the player may have no ability to take advantage of it.
I’ll take Jon not properly reading tooltips for 200, Alex.
I'll take Jon being blind for 150, Alex.
I'll take Jon nearly breaking down for 400, Alex
What Geralt did was that he acknowledged that the bastard was his child instead of just denying it, that's what King Jon did and that's why Bea doesn't show up under his dynasty.
Jon: My friend, would you maybe want to come help?
Mercia: Maybe
Jon: What do you mean maybe?
"I need to always be floating enough money to buy mercenaries, just in case."
15 seconds later...
"I've got a big pile of money right now, I should be spending it."
30 seconds later: I can't afford mercenaries!
You should see if the king of England is willing to form an alliance with you, that's an option with any faction you've got a non aggression pact with. You could get a separate one with Mercia too. But of course they may call you into their own wars and maybe you already knew and that's why you haven't, which is totally valid reasoning.
Edit: Oh I commented to soon.
I am not ashamed to say, watching this series has sent me to Google a fair few times, just to figure out what certain words mean. Who knew watching this series would actually make me smarter.
Video games can do that when I play trivia if I get a geology question right there's a fifty fifty chance that answer came from the actual college class I took or Dwarf Fortress.
Jon please remember you CAN ask people for vassalization! war isn't the only way to gain territory. lol.
True, but it would wreck his Tanistry succession I think. As long as he can keep to a single count vassal, then he can decide whoever he wants to be the next ruler.
Yeah, and they usually never accept too.
Usually, true, but there was a point in this episode (I believe, seeing as I wrote it on this episode) where there was someone who probably would have said yes. same dynasty, liked him, same religion and culture, and I believe even de jure leige, but I can't remember.
*List of active DLC includes EUIV converter*
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*Everything explodes*
At this speed, that will be episode 100 :)
maybe some day the kingdom of wales will be involved in WWII
I definitely wanna see him take -Cornwall- Wales through all 4 games, if possible. No matter how long it takes.
Wait 4?
While experimentality sounds interesting it's very bad it makes it so you either do more damage or take more damage randomly. You just never want to take it as it could make you lose a battle you should have won.
Jon, it's probably better for the future of the glorious Greater Cornwall (still waiting for you to rename it) to expand towards Ireland. RIght now you are the head of a small kingdom, next to the bigger kingdom of England. You may not want to also be bordering another, even stronger kingdom, by taking some of Brittany and being next to the big bully France.
Edit: Also please notice the 'Auto stop plots' box you can tick in the intrigue menu so that you won't have to be imprisoning everyone that's plotting something
Auto-stop plots might be ok for the early game, but he really wants to let plots play out later on. They can be very useful for redistributing land or getting rid of annoying people.
romeinprogress I tend to take thd opposite view. In the beginning if my vassals want to kill each other fine, I don't care. However when I'm an emperor I don't want to scroll through 150 plots with their terrible sorting tools, like seriously I've seen the alphabetically option screw up terribly, to find the one jack ass trying to kill my kid then the auto stop gets clicked.
I’m expecting someone to make a channel called the bishop of King Jon and all they do is say I’m making steady progress in the search for the artifact
I'd subscribe to that.
"Why does no one like me? I can't make them like me."
SEND GIFT! SEND GIFT! FOR TABBY'S SAKE!!!!!
Yeah, pretty sure he doesn't know that option exists.
It's directly in front of his eyes. OF COURSE HE DOESN'T.
Yeah only way to run a kingdom of any size is to throw gifts at people like theres no tommorow. Not as neccisary for Jons level but would still help him from time to time.
"If you want people to like you - give them money. If they still don't like you - you don't deserve to be liken" (c) CK2 reddit
King Jon will have a hero's burial
Matthew Calmert you spelt Jon as John and had to edit didn't you ;P
Actually I forgot the "g" in king xD
Will be big for sure!
King Jon, or the burial?
escaper59 yes!
hook for a hand? guess he was behind those pirates after all!
JON!!! TAKE IRELAND
thats a terrible idea. He isn't powerful enough yet, taking over the small counties of wales was easy, as they had little reinforcement, and now going after breton is the logical next step, a small "kingdom" that isn't unified, making it easy (if not as easy) pickings for Jon.
Ireland isn't unified either though
Yeah and he will have to face the big blue blob france eventually. i mean if he get beaten up by britian and have land in the french region. you know that they will try to jump in for there piece of the pie.
Yeah taking Ireland is pretty much his best shot for not getting wrecked by England
escaper59 If he can conquer Glamorganwaffle, he can conquer Ireland! Ask my ancestors, they'll tell you the same thing
My favorite day of the week... Crusader Kings 2 day
Bohemia Joe days
You're absolutely right, sir! Days!
Jon: Complains about lack of affordable mercenaries. Completely misses 22 cost mercenaries. Perception -1
I spotted that too, I was screaming at the screen haha
me too, i was yelling TWO UP, ONE UP, NO TWO UP JON.
Joke's on you, they were already in a contract to some Muslim ruler. I'm sorry. You have perception -2.
Jon please try groom a family member from child to bishop to cardinal to pope. Would be amusing mini goal.
Any character with good enough traits to do that should become king.
King? Eeh, not particularly, unless you want to have a high education king for a while to write books and up your tech and whatnot. Plus, if Jon wants to become a larger kingdom he'll have to switch to primo at somepoint then side branches of the family CAN became an issue rather a help and stashing them out of the line of sucession but still useful to the cause is good. Though tbf you can play a game of ck2 as a catholic and utterly ignore the clergy if you want. Still, Jons wasting a lot of tax right now he could gain even just by individually pleasing his bishops even if he doesent want to switch nomination laws.
What I meant is that a pope candidate should possess as many virtues as possible. Such a character is automatically a better ruler than anything he has produced so far.
PAY Back the loan
That won't change much. His bishops like the pope way more than him. 10 opinion doesnt matter.
@@MrTohawk Paying back the loan is a good idea just so you can draw it down again in an emergency - eg, to hire mercenaries for an unexpected war
Uhh I had a whole argument typed out on why he should attack Ireland instead of Brittany, but UA-cam crashed before I could post it. Just, in my opinion, Ireland is a better choice
Its not that weird Jon: Under Catholic Law all church property was tax exempt. This was a controversial practice all the way up to the early 20th Century in places like Spain and Latin America. Now, an especially strong and empowered Ruler, namely the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire and King of France, could sometimes bully Bishops into paying them taxes but to do so was to tempt the wrath of the Pope and get yourself Excommunicated
Source: Am an ex-Catholic Historian
L L so what do you do now that you no longer study catholic history?
No Im a historian that used to be Catholic
true, i actuall forgot it was canon law.
its still controversial today at least in the USA. Though now the logic for it is different than Catholic law. Its something like all donations are tax exempt, (if not give you tax refunds), and to have an exception for that for any church is seen as discriminatory.
They also sometimes got in trouble for picking their own bishops, right.
King Jon the Thicc
King jon the ever-consuming
King Jon the Expansive
A bit late for that joke aye? we've been spitting that joke since Jon's crowning as Duke.
King Jon keeps asking me for tree fiddy.
Greetings your thiccness
"I don't understand why you would want to kill a 6 year old child," - Jon, 2018.
"who might inherit a small part of the holy roman empire." - Poor Innocent Jon, 2018.
Jon is seriously doing great though, aside from his unwillingness to plot child murder ;)
If only he was playing a zoroastrian.
This is really making me want a Mount and Blade Warband series.
oxidase dost yes!
I'd love it if when you're playing a character with insanity or paranoia, you get random events saying that certain people are plotting against you, but it turns out their just in your head, so you have to try and figure out which ones real and which ones are not. Just an added layer of chaos that would be pretty realistic in a kingdom with an insane ruler.
All hail King Jon the Fat! What a magnificent story you carved for him!
Option for dealing with cheapskate bishops: Just keep raising their "tax" in the form of increasing levies. Since they aren't paying you anyway, you lose nothing by reducing their taxes and you have more troops to work with.
Chris Woodend What are the odds Jon spends that 2K Prestige on a lasting military legacy infrastructure vs. Simply loses it when he dies? I shudder. ..
Nick Christie I feel like yo might know a trick for converting prestige into infrastructure I don't know about.
Chris Woodend at 34 Min on the infrastructure screen, can't he use Prestige for the bottom 2 upgrades? Or has the prestige been updated? I've seen other play throughs have Prestige build options.
Chris Woodend Google tells me that may only be an option for Tribal Kingdoms. So perhaps not an option for Cornwall. Definitely saw it in Germanic runs.
I follow now. Those are cash buys, I believe you're thinking about tribal holdings (it's been a couple years since I played tribal... you have inspired me). The only big advantages I know of for non-tribal high prestige is +general opinion up to 2000 prestige and at 5000 prestige there's an option to conquest entire kingdoms (invasion CB) if you have fewer holdings than the target does (it's the expansion route for tall play in my experience).
What a rollercoaster of emotions this episode was. I got genuinely hype when mercia raised its army.
"Sunset Invasion"
o no jon
o no
You can raise boats from your vassals. They cost nothing, since they pay for it. Its in the same section as where you raise your own boats, single row below that.
Now that I understand the game, I am more and more invested! :D
"We have a lot of big boned people in the kingdom..."
Well, Jon, YOU'RE the one that chose to be the king of Wales!
Thank God. finally a New Episooode
They are uploaded on Thursday's and Sunday's in England, this will vary by one day ahead/behind depending on your timezone compared to England (+0)
I love this. Keep it up. The way you storytell your games make games like this a perfect platform.
"Why does everyone want Clairence the second dead?" *thats simple Jon, because his name is Clairence*
I imagine that there's going to be a private Ryan-esque rescue mission for the singular jihad that's still in England
"Why do you gain learning if you lose a hand?"
- Do you really want that anyone flipping spells it out loud?
YES! Another Crusader Kings video! I was getting worried...
Well there IS a schedule you know.
That was an emotional rollercoaster!
It aint all that weird that bishops 'have a choice' really jon when you think about it. Much of the discourse and drama of the 9th till....eeh maybe the 12th century in Western europe was characterised by struggles between Popes and local kings and/or the two emperors. The clergy was constantly being fought over, sometimes it was like a kingdom within a kingdom, sometimes bishops were at the heel of their king.
I've been binging this series so much that I'm starting to have thoughts with Jon's vocabulary and speech patterns.
King Jon "the fat" of Wales :
A man so massive he needed a country and an alliance equally as big.
Did he really disband his troops on foreign soil?
There really should be a big red warning pop-up which asks you two times if you really want to do this.
I like how shocked jon was someone was assassinating a six year old in this game. Much worse things happen in ck2
Jon you can tell your allies whether you want them to focus on sieges or hunting enemy armies. It's on the same screen where you raise your troops.
I love how Jon hated Jon, however jon became the most succesfull king he played as so far.
Jon you don't need to have your ships in port to embark / disembark. Just have them in the sea, select your troops and righ click on the sea (or click on the land if disembarking). You could have just put all your ships in St George's Channel and had everyone embarking at once, saving time and money.
I've got to thank you for reignighting my passion for this game. I'd bought it on a whim after reading about it on reddit and quickly discovered I had 0 clue what the hell was going on. After watching your play through I've learned a lot and even conquered noob island (Ireland) so anyway, keep up the awesome work. Long live the dying fat king jon
1 hour and 4 minutes in. A moment when the AI of Mercia is effectively smarter then our dear Jon... XD (after some time into the war just holding the territory over which the war is declared starts contributing to the war score, so Mercia goes directly to siege Leon, excellent help by the AI).
Edit: Was this a second time that King Jon managed to recover from illness after the treatment? Build a holding, somehow give that women a bloody noble title already!
Oh man! you should not have allowed those two armies to merge. Defeat in detail is the name of the game.
Also you're bloody lucky Mercia jumped in to save your butt there.
its FLIPPING 33 degres celsius in my hometown right now but this helps, thank you Jon.
Jon, looking at a mercenary company 40 strong for 55 gold: “it’s a shame I cant afford them, they could’ve made all the difference in the world”
Also Jon: *ignores mercenary company 140 strong for 22 gold*
ohhfff you just lost alot of men as got rid of them in somerset
Yeah, that was even worse than sitting on his ass and letting the enemies regroup and regain full strength instead of beating them when they were 50% strength.
It took until this episode for me to realize that the fat trait didn't exist yet when this was recorded. I had been confused why there were so many references to Jon being fat when he was only gluttonous, but I guess gluttonous used to sort of be a catch-all that included being fat.
"There's a lot of big boned people floating around the Cornish Empire."
That's because they're all... corn-fed?
The search for the artefact was just a years-long state-sponsored vacation.
21:50 Perception 0 Strikes again! You can't tell him to leave your court because he isn't in your court.
Jon I am in love with this series
Long live King Jon the Great. May the sight of his awesome crown scare the enemies of Cornwall.
I can't help thinking how terrible it would be to work under Jon as an office manager. I'm so glad you decided to make videos!
Granting the realm is rather smol right now, Auto End Plots is a rather useful thing to avoid having to micromanage plots against courtiers. (There are situations where you don’t want it on-eg you specifically want to righteously imprison someone-but those are, in my experience, exceptional.)
One point in Dulhon's favor, she has not made you eat a cat.
I'm so happy wou rewarded Duihon she's so good at her job
Jon, Breizh is the name for Brittany in the Breton language. They still refer to themselves by that name today.
Should have asked Gwent to just be your vassal peacefully. He probably would have accepted too. He's a de jure vassal of Wales, same culture as you, probably a single payment of a few gold pieces would have done the thing, and England would have been screwed on the claim.
Also a few tips, even though it may be a bit late:
-If you want to view battle progress click on the baner beneath the troops, not the troops themselves.
-Learn how-when-where to move your troops in a war, you are just doing chaos when moving armies.
-You can ctrl-click on the raise armies/levies icons to only raise troops where there are no enemies.
-If you move a boat you move it to a province(either at sea, or a land province to move them to harbor) don't click on the ships you want to move to, click on the province they are in.
-Just take Ireland, not Britanny first, you'll piss off the french king sooner or later.
-ALWAYS assign a commander to each flank. A bad commander is always better than no commander.
-There's a LOT of diplomacy options in the game, look at them. You are missing diplomatic vassalisation, sending gifts among the most important and helpful ones.
don't disband troops in english territory, you lose a lot of troops that way. Only disband in your own lands.
Thanks for sharing the DLC/Mods.
May King Jon’s rule be long and prosperous.
Don't worry Jon, When the Bubonic Plague shows up... You'll know.
Will he even notice until it's already in France?
Future reference Jonnooo theres a bunch of mechanics for guiding your ai friends in wars. In the millitary tab you can individually set the behaviour of each of your allies to either siege or hunt enemies. Then on your individual armies or provinces (or enemy provinces) theres a lil tab to indicate to armies they should follow that army or siege that province. it used to be a proper ballache when Ck2 dident have them, I actually enjoy engineering large ally battles nowdays.
@manyatruenerd sorry for the near death experience of king jon the fat
why not try to take a little bit of Ireland soon if wales or brittany are being difficult. It could provide more troops
Edit: If not could you explain why?
You might want to consider whether or not you're going to have a non-aggression pact with England when you die and the next ruler takes over. If your tanist is the Queen of England, you'd be ensured a non-aggression pact with England, while I don't think your current tanist would have the same pacts.
Never gamble all your fortunes without the backing of all your forces.
Give Hoel a mercenary company. Mercenaries can't hold land, and you get part of the profits.
To think Jon could just had offered them vassalization the day he became Duke of wherever that bit was...
It's strange seeing the Kingdom of Cornwall being this big now then how big it is by the end.
Good series. Those troops need disbanding at home. Takes a long time to re recruit them!
Jon, never disband your army outside of your territory!
Ha Geralt of Rivia i love Witcher.
You can order your courtiers and family to take the vows if you don't want them around
Severely Injured isn't permanent. You'll heal from it in in time and be fine. Your just still recovering from having your hand amputated.
Just a thought. If Jon had made orange queen of Wales her children would have been a way to get England as the player in one generation. With gavelkind her eldest son would become king of England, he could also be elected as tanist when playing as queen orange to get both titles. Would also have worked for a female heir to orange with the same method.
Mercia: joins the war.
Cornwall: wants them to end the Brittany army.
Mercia: doesn't.
Cornwall: Fine I'll do it myself.
Jon, I am sure a lot of other people mentioned this, but you should try lowering council power(the last laws tab in the right). That way you don’t need the councils approval for anything you do and in the end you get +2 demesne size.
YAY a Crusader Kings video... But Banner saga 3 just came out, Jon why do you torture me like this!
Wait, Banner Saga 3 is out?! I'm off.
god i love this series
Jon, you should collab with Arumba on a paradox game like ck2 or eu4 sometime; he's great, experienced and knowledgeable, and has a little bit of the -1 perception going on.
Arumba would destroy Jon so badly. He has no mercy to less experienced people.
night4345 Nah, they should do a succession game or something else collaborative rather than competitive
Also, Jon may be interested in the "After the End" mod. Many fallout references iirc
I think Jon and Arumba have very different styles and it wouldn't be enjoyable for either.
Jon: "Hey about these people with 0 Diplomacy they might be good rulers!"
Everyone else: "I can't even..."