Crusader Kings 2 - How To Restore The Roman Empire
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Crusader Kings 2 returns, as we begin our most challenging adventure yet - rebuilding the Roman Empire - and that means surviving an incredibly dangerous start, playing a complex political game, and challenging some of the strongest Empires in Europe...
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19:48 "(My priest is) desperately bashing stones together trying to invent culture."
Maybe he'll invent rock music!
...I'll see myself out.
Listen here you little shit
Maybe the priest could invent "we built this city with rock and Roll" and assist with construction as well?
Oh for fuck sake
Rock on guys
Maybe he was creating a Stones tribute band.
Good news: Jon is playing CK2 again
Bad news: his first series inspired me to put like 500 hours into it and now every mistake he makes that went over my head initially I'm now going to pick up on
I feel no shame whatsoever - I don't think there's a person alive who completely 100% understands every part of this game.
@@ManyATrueNerd And if there is anyone who understands 100% of CK2 and the other PDX grand strategy games, well I'll eat my hat, and wear a teacup upon my noggin.
@Trollinyamon I know an impossible one for you. Ironman, unmodded, Papal world conquest.
@Trollinyamon You face a ck2 install with no mods, but every dlc till Holy Fury installed. You fire up a new game and decide to start a eugenics program. List all inheritable factors that may decide your choice of parents, and give a brief (50 words or less) description of how, precisely, those factors influence downstream generations.
Yep, 25 minutes in and I'm already yelling at the TV. My poor cat is very confused
10 minutes in, Jon mistakes his vassal levy for his vassal’s actual levy, which is close to his. Some things never change.
😂 he controls one barony and makes fun of his vassal who also controls a single barony
An hour and ten minutes in he doesn't realize that he doesn't have a steward
That's funny, I thought "Byzantine Empire" was pronounced "Roman Empire"
Jeremiah Laust you sir are a man of culture.
Actually it's pronounced "Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων (Basileia Rhōmaiōn)" ;)
Eastern Roman Empire**
@@golemgolden4670 He is referring to what the "Byzantine Empire" was called in it's time. And that was just Roman Empire. There was never a practical separation of The Roman Empire in East and West, that's a modern categorization. As is the phrase "Byzantine Empire". The people that lived there aswell as everyone else just continued to call it the Roman empire, and the people of Greece even called themselves Roman's up until the 19th century.
Golem Golden Cringe And inaccurate
Back to episodes of everyone's favorite gameshow: let's talk about the things Jon got wrong.
Jon did not join the war for his liege, meaning he does not contribute War Score and spent money for nothing...
Though maybe that was the plan?
More importantly, he also stood his troops down in enemy territory meaning he lost half of them instead of moving them to literally the next county over and being fine
All the problems he made is him being rusty
Hopefully he remembers when he swings back into things
Itll be on brand if he doesn't
Erebos1201 Is it just me or is that an ongoing thing? That’s such a bad mistake to make once you’re relatively knowledgeable about the game
@@JB-xl2jc Pretty sure he only did it once this episode, although he almost did it again near the end. Felt more like lucky timing than an actual understanding of needing to break them down in friendly territory in the latter case though. But that's Jon for you; makes some unnecessary mistakes but is still highly enjoyable content
* Gets invaded by many enemies, has to hire mercenaries and spirals into debt *
Well, Jon is definitely recreating the Western Roman Empire, that is for sure!
lool this made me laugh
That and going into killing your traitorous vassals.
isnt that every nation in the medieval times?
"My liege, apparently as I arrived at the castle of Spalathos, I noticed that your family name was just emblazoned on the lintel. After a little bit of inquiry (and some gold changing hands), I managed to convince several lawyers that that emblem had always been there. Apparently it is the ancestral home of your family."
"My family line. Whom I started three months ago?"
"Yes, my liege."
"Cocking brilliant."
I kind of promised someone that I would start as the same ruler as you and play along. *Oh dear I am far not experienced enough to try this.*
Yep, this start is a bit bananas...
Don't worry all have do to is survive long to get into a good position.
I've been playing Ck2 even before India was a thing and I think I'll have quite a lot of fun attempting to restore the Roman Empire as the same start
At least it's exciting. I've tried a few times to start in rural Ireland and there's basically nothing to do for the first hour. I've had rebels spawn on top me, and I wasn't able to raise army to fight them so I had to wait until they got bored and disbanded.
@@movingparts6270 - I once managed to rise to become the King of Ireland during a 769AD start, in a single generation with my starting character... I was honestly surprised I didn't die of cancer, it's how my last three games ended.
“I was expecting chaotic, but I wan’t expecting *that* chaotic!”
Come on, you are in the Balkans, there is no such thing as “too chaotic”
*serbian nationalism intensifies*
As someone who actually finished the "restore Rome as a Hellenic ruler" playthrough just last week, I wish you luck, Jon. You're most certainly going to need it.
I started on Monemvasia (southern tip of Greece) in the 769 start, because that was the only hellenic start I could find without creating a custom one. It took me three tries to figure out I would get killed if I didn't make a secret society and pretended to turn to Orthodoxy, then two more just to avoid getting killed in general by the duke that was above me. After that I managed to get things going and secretly convert my entire court to hellenic in a few generations, and I spent most of that time taking over the duchy and then Epirus. Oddly enough, though, in this world Lombardy became as huge a power as the Byzantines and took most of Italy and the surrounding area as well, so I had to spend a few generations marrying my way into controlling more and more of the Byzantine Empire, up until I got really lucky and found a way to split Lombardy apart with just two murders, which I promptly did. That allowed me to pick up a few territories in the aftermath and reform the Hellenic faith with it, and from there on conquer the rest of Italy, which finally let me become a proper challenge to the Emperor, take his power, and declare the reformation of the Roman Empire. It's a bit messy and I still have a lot of ground to reconquer, but I managed it just slightly after the turn of the millenium.
I remember doing my own Hellenic Rome playthrough. I managed to get the child of Satan event, made him my heir (well, he did that on his own by killing all my other kids), and finally restored Rome with him when he inherited. Somehow he got the 'voice of Jesus' modifier which gives +30 martial for like 10 years, was crazy OP. So, as Satan, I figured what better way to celebrate than to mend the schism, followed by converting to Hellenism. Is it really destroying the church if you speak with the voice of Jesus?
All the religion changes kind of broke my satanic secret society though.
You can right click a county shield you control and secretly convert, you don't need to start as a particular person
*says how he's playing a count in Serbia for that sweet pagan/tribal experience*
*picks Orthodox feudal count in Serbia*
It took him 5 minutes
He is aware of that fact
Fun Fact: the official soundtrack is “In the name of God” by Powerwolf.
Great song
Jon: crusader Kings 2 restoring the Roman Empire
Fans : *Rome Total War part 57*
I can only dream of the return of the great Julianus Vatinius
Otaku Person I hear his space voyage went well and even beet the space Greeks so bad they saw him as the one true god (like he is)
I have never been so excited for a new series!
I look forward to Jon restoring Hellenic paganism!
Also, it's useful to educate the captured children to be your religion and culture. Especially if one of them is heir to a rival kingdom. It takes a few years but you can engineer it so random children who are predisposed to liking you become rulers of many of the kingdoms around you.
3:48 Actually, a starting date of 867 AD makes it one of the few times that you can't really say that: historically, 867 is the year Basil I takes the throne and establishes the Macedonian Dynasty, which is generally considered the apex of the Medieval Roman Empire.
Jon, if you're fighting the war for your liege you should talk to your liege and say you with to 'join his war', otherwise the battles you win won't count towards your liege's warscore. [You can join your liege's war by either asking him directly, or by clicking on the war score indicator (bottom right of the screen) and pressing the ++> button (which is the join war button)] Currently you're fighting wars you are not responsible for :p
Just because your liege is at war doesn't mean that you are at war ^-^ (handy to know when you join the byzantines so you don't fight the seljuks on their behalf)
I just like being helpful
@@ManyATrueNerd It's even _more_ helpful if you contribute to warscore! Keep it up Jon!
@@ManyATrueNerd I've got a thousand hours in the game and had never thought of using the 'search people' option to look for council members and always used the intrigue decisions ('invite noble' etc) to find better people. I still learn stuff too xD
What I’m getting from the subtext is that Jon wants a double beard but Claire doesn’t let him have it.
How can an egg carton grow a beard?
Would that also mean that Jon wants to start a House Choirosphaktes?
@@Vokabre He can't do that the original House Choirosphaktes was founded over a millennium ago. Maybe he and Claire could name their firstborn Choirosphaktes, but for all we know House Choirosphaktes are still very much alive and well. Surely they would object.
With sufficient Patreon support maybe Jon would be able to hire mercenaries and contest the claim but it would be a long shot. I want to know what Claire thinks about this.
*Half of the country is on fire*
"Greetings, brother! Can I interest you in some botany?*
Jon: Has enough troops to win both wars for his liege himself
Also Jon: Doesn’t join the war
The proper pronunciation for the Byzantine Empire would be "Roman Empire", as they never stopped calling themselves Roman.
Also, no Hellenic revival 0/10
Or at least Eastern Roman.
Roman Empire already exists in this game as its separate entity, calling "Byzantium" Rome would get confusing. East Roman Empire would be a good middle ground. The game should've just called "Byzantium" Roman Empire and name the "Roman Empire" Reformed Roman Empire or something like that
indeed it was only names the byzantine empire after by historians and such like, so as to differentiate from the ancient roman empire
@@floridaman4473 HiP?
When you can actually hear Jon smiling in the intro, you just know it's gonna be great.
House of Choirosphaktes.. In greek choirosphaktes translates as "pigbutchers"
Also the proper original pronunciation is "veezanteenee" written as ΒΥΖΑΝΤΙΝΗ
As an actual Greek i can confirm that pronunciation.
So what you're saying is, that the American pronunciation is closer, and therefore we win?
No, Americans will automatically lose any pronunciation game until they learn how to pronounce the Spanish names of locations in their own country correctly. Let alone the rest of the linguistic atrocities of American "English" that could be addressed.
@@alexisauld7781 Expecting English speakers to maintain Spanish pronunciations in their own language? How quixotic.
Alexis Auld bold words for someone in colonization range.
Everyone: I hope Jon can actually pull through with his plans.
Me: *Looks at past videos* . Jon does have a habit of pulling off the improbable.....
Stellaris impossible run nuff said
Oh god he's playing in the balkans.
I'm from there!
I don't know the overlap between Montenegrans and MATN subscribers but they're going nuts I'm sure
You could say this series will become balkanized.
I was like “Pagan yeeessssss?! Viking yyeeeesssssss?, Balkans nooooooo......”
_cries in Denmark_
Love when I'm chatting to my friends, open UA-cam and let out a squeal mid conversation cause I saw this
Hey Jon, I just want to say: Thank you for providing so many good moments of content. I appreciate all of the time you've spent on us
Literally 20 mins ago I was thinking, huh I wonder when Jon's going to do CK2 again after it was announced... And here it is. Love you and your work Jon + Claire - Love from Cornwall (actually)
Jon: Learning is one of the less important stats.
Also Jon: I have no techs, so I’m gonna send someone to research!
Context: Learning is a contributing part of the formula for tech growth, and crazy high numbers (easily 40+, base) are possible with Hermetics and a Scholarship focus. Those two also provide event chains that yield high amounts of tech points. While not necessary for a successful game, they can help immensely for making the game easier.
I just got this game a week ago, and I've been loving it! I formed the Empire of Brittania, and just started taking over France!
"I don't know who my parents are" cue emotional backstory/sub plot.
Maybe his parents were some slobs but his grandfather was the Byzantine emperor?
@@MrDUneven I like it, or he's a secret bastard of someone important sent away to deepest darkest Serbia to cover it up.
Glad to see CK2 return. Jon's first CK2 series is my top 3 series of any game on the whole of UA-cam.
Jon : "i'm going to restore, the Roman Empire!!!
Me, having a flashback of the people who tried
Oh no, this is gonna get so wrong
Jon, the vassal levy in the levy screen is only the amount you can raise, you have to look on their character sheet to find their actual number of troops.
I adore this series and keep coming back to it over the years.
Probably my fave MATN playthrough.
Watching series for a second time 2 years later haha, ditto!
Oh my lord I have released the holy fluids
DEUS VUUUUUULLLLLTTT!
yes of course you released TEARS! from your EYES!
1:06:20 Don't recommend having your Chaplain 'Hunt for Apostles' as they will just accuse people randomly and without reason. Can be really inconvenient when they go after important people
Actually, they're very good at sniffing out evil people who haven't been discovered as evil.
@@Bloodlyshiva Double edged sword.
If you don't want them dead, brand them. You don't lose piety or opinion from anyone. Your opinion of them lowers significantly, but whatever
51:58 reminds me of the meme where there is a dog standing in the fire saying “this is fine”
Venice: imprisons croatian leader and forces him to concede to their demands
Jon: the venetians just let them off the hook, huh
No Jon the Proper pronunciation is "The Eastern Roman Empire" as the term Byzantium was a 16th century label and was never use in the time of the empire itself.
Eastern Roman is even more modern a Term Breh. It’s the Roman Empire
Yes but seeing their was already a Roman Empire in Existence at the same time as the Eastern Roman Empire,that would just be confusing which is why it's the way it is.
@@Rellana1 Saying there is an east and west empire is just a modern categorisation, the empire never practically 'split' even up untill the 19th century greeks refered to themselves as roman. The most accurate term to use in regards to what is now known as the Byzantine Empire is "Basileia Rhōmaiōnc" or in proper "Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων"
And I know that. But seeing most modern historical stuff on that period either refers to them as the "Byzantine Empire" or the "Eastern Roman Empire" It's easier to use the most well-known terms rather than anything else,as it's the most easily understood,rather than having to explain what I mean multiple times.
Western Europe often called the ERE Empire of the Greeks tho, because they were dumbasses.
I've missed this game so much. This series got me into strategy games. So happy you're bringing her back, Jon!
Jon: I'm going to restore the Roman empire!
*smiles in Mussolini*
Welcome back John,and like Cadoc of the mighty Cornwall has me chuckling all the way thorough..flippin' marvellous!.
As usual, the depths of Jon’s misunderstanding of the situation is astounding. Never change Jon.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT JON, HOLY FUCKING HELL, ITS HERE ITS HERE
YOU'VE MADE ME THE HAPPIEST NERD GODDAMNED NERD ON THIS PLANET
I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR AGES, THANK YOU!
"Because I become independent right away I never got to deal with any courtly politics."
No you never got to deal with any courtly politics because you tried to personally control every title in your kingdom.
Yeah I had to do a lot of fun politics when I had 5-6 strong vassals. The last major event of that playthrough was all of them joining together to try and take back power. The poor fools.
My favorite moments in the games these days are those two years after a new ruler takes over and the council is discontent and whatever idiot child the previous ruler spawned is trying to hold everything together, rifling through his family tree to find someone he can marry off right now to pull a powerful vassal out of a faction.
"Everything's on fire, but it's on fire in a perfectly reasonable way." Yep, that sounds like CKII, all right.
There is something rather quaint about seeing a ruler doing something so humble such as going on a pilgrimage.
Watching your first series of CK2 has inspired countless hours of obsession with this game. And yet you are, by far, still my favorite person to watch play it. I'm super excited for more!
I’m so upset there’s only one episode of this, I can never get enough of crusader kings! Very much a welcome back to a beloved series!
1:11:53 "It's been... how many years has it been?"
Six years, Jon. May you live in interesting times, indeed.
I truly am exited for this new series 😄😄. I just rember in an old video u talking about makeing less counted because u felt trird from makeing so many vido. So i do hope u do start to easy up a bit because i love u stuff and i love to keep watching for years to come.
All work and no fun makes John a dull boy 😝
Ahh love it. I like watching john play this knowing fully well I dont like managing a lot of stuff at once.
If you're a one-province count, take all subholdings to boost your troops.
*One hour later*
*Gained one county.*
I love this game!
Welcome to the test of kings, many a youtuber has made the attempt, few have succeed. Best of luck.
Seeing you start there makes me kinda happy. Whenever I tried playing Crusader Kings 2, I would start in a position to reconstitute the Duchy of Bosnia as soon as I could. I never lasted long because that's a tough start and I've really not got enough knowledge about the game to make it work.
The most annoying (but also amusing) thing that happened to me was my female heir getting an offer for matrilineal marriage from the Byzantine heir. I was utterly confused, but I took it anyway. Not even a year after that, before she even had a chance to have a kid, let alone a male heir, that bastard died and I ended up losing what meager territory I had.
Fun fact: Choirosphaktes means "pig-slayer" in Greek. Leo Choirosphaktes was a 9th and early 10th-century scholar and diplomat who served Basil I and Leo VI. He carried out diplomatic and other duties until he got involved in some would-be palace coup and was forced to become a monk. His literary works are interesting sources for the early Macedonian Renaissance.
I love you Jon. You post things just as I finish the last thing ❤
So... you wanna play with some tribaly-pagany stuff, so you pick a feudal orthodox character?
right...
These are my favourite series on this channel without a doubt. Thank you for all of the laughs!
When you're looking at mercs, look you should take into account the composition of the troops. If you're getting 1900 troops, that won't really matter if they're all light infantry; a topless dude with an axe won't do massively well against a Knight in full plate with a zweihander
So I've been playing the free to play version for the past week thanks to your previous series and I am in love with the game. Great to see a new series!
Still about halfway through the main series, but I do have one thing to say:
Jon, you magnificent heathen bastard.
Oh, I forgot how good this started. So glad I started it again.
It is overwhelmingly nice to see another CK2 series. CK2 and Stellaris series for me were one of the most favourite things online to look forward to each week, glad to see this feeling returning.
For the briefest moment I had a brain fart and thought Jon had gotten early access to CK3...
Jon if you thought the Roman Empire could be a bit backstabby, the Byzantine Empire is like permanently living in the Year of Four Emperors. Watch your back, and your front, and don't drink anything.
It's not even the assassinations that are the most annoying threat. It's the constant civil wars, spiced up by the closest Muslim realm declaring an invasion when you're busy fighting the rebels, so either you lose the throne fighting the Muslims, or they carve a kingdom out of the Empire. Or both
Ooh, I've been looking forward to this! Fantastic to see this back on the channel!
Please give us more. Your ck2 vids are some of your best and I just finished rewatching a week ago.
YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!
Just tonight I was browsing through your videos wondering when the last CK2 campaign was going to start.
..
And then you drop this at 2AM, well, I guess I'm tired as fuck tomorrow..
I love that after CK3 announced more and more people starting playing CK2...
As a Serb myself, I can't wait to watch 50 hours of Jon mispronouncing Slavic names.
he is playing a greek family which is greh ima nas kolko oce i uzme grke
He's off to a good start with "Warriors of Peran"
Maerodir The only thing I know about Serbia is that meat spiders from Serbia turn Californian moms into cannibals
Kako je to ti išao ?
No sign of the Bulgarian army he says, as a (relatively) giant doomstack of Bulgarians are sieging the capital next door. I joke, I joke, multitasking playing the game and being entertaining at the same time is probably hard as hell.
You should have revoked the barony at the begining. Would get way more troops then and complete control of al baronies in your capital county. Its a good idea to have as many baronies you can in one county, cause your marhals bonus applies to all of them in the county meaning you can get a extremely large amount of extra troops.
Also, Venice won the war and took one of the cities, its what the merchant republics can do a city first, then the county next time around.
If your liege the duke have a son, then that is a good thing. Cause then he would be willing to marry his daughter of to you as she no longer is the primary heir. Then all you need to do is murder the son and voila! You are set to inherit.
Good stuff tough! I was entertained.
You could see if you can get around to marrying a pagan lady somehow and secretly adopt their faith, see if that is enough to join one of the societies. I know you can join the assassins with a secret conversion, I had a lot of fun doing that with immortal character, he has done a stint as a leader of pretty much every society he can.
You should ask people you invite of different religion to to your court for your council to convert to your religion, for that bonus to opinion and to avoid being forced to burn the poor fellows.
Oh, and when you get around to being part of the byzantine, try and become the shadow emperor for a while, just for shit and giggles. That is, you are the king of the entire byzantine empire except for the emperors direct holdings. So basically you rule everything and is the emperor in all but name as everyone answers to you. Use dukal vice royalties liberally to manage your vasals, to make them happy and keep them below the vassal limit. Should be grand fun!
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By the end of the video you manually released the prisoners, you can use the little square box with the selection to automatically release all prisoners according your selection. And btw, an important new feature is that you can actually hire prisoners now, if they are landless and like you enough. A neat little trick, particularly if you like collecting bloodlines like I do.
Oh yes! I was just binge watching the Cornwall series for a second time and see a new one has been started!
42:00 That is a nice hat.
Jon that is a bird.
Perfect timing for CK2 bingewatching as the adventures of Battle Grandma just finished at Roll1D2 Games an hour before this video went up.
Hoozah! Let the run begin!
Sidenote: Perun is pronounced [Peroon] with the last syllable stressed.
Oh Jon...
Venice took the city from Croatia in the county of Senj, which is why that county now has a little Venetian shield inside it.
Bulgaria, although filled with Orthodox vassals, now has a Tengri king.
Offering the king of Serbia to join the war against Ragusa would have allowed your victories to count toward his war score.
Do try not to disband your units outside of Serbian territory. It worked out fine this time, though.
You could have let one day pass after you borrowed the money and before you hired the mercenaries to complete the Build a War Chest ambition.
Even as a Count, having your chaplain help with technology is good, since it increased the rate of spread from nearby lands, without points. Watch for rotating gears on the Technology menu.
Your son needs a wife. Maybe someone in your dungeon would have been willing to join your court, and then marry him.
Still, it's so incredibly good to see you back in this game. It's always so fun and entertaining.
Excited for this series! Jon, were you aware DDRJake has an EU4 series where he is restoring the Roman Empire too? He started out as an OPM named Prome over in southeast Asia. Totally wild. Of course it will be a completely different story in CK2. I can't wait for the chaos!
Some nice information about your house: Leo Choirosphaktes, sometimes Latinized as Choerosphactes and also known as Leo Magistros or Leo Magister, was a Byzantine official who rose to high office under Emperor Basil I the Macedonian (867-886 and served as an envoy under Emperor Leo VI the Wise . 886-912 to Bulgaria and the Abbasid Caliphate. Choirosphaktes was also a well-educated and prominent scholar and writer, many of whose works and correspondence survive.
Youve got legacy to keep up with Jon!
Imagine spending a fortune on mercs to fight someone else's war
If I didn't know you, I would say you built that character
In the year of our lord 867. I, scribe Peter of Svitjod here within shall chronicle the tale of count Leon the twobearded.
I have no idea what's happening most of the time in this game but somehow am very interested everytime I see him play it
Jon playing CK2 again is a dream come true
Of course your Chancellor did a good job. You hired Gerassasinamos, the Agent 47 of the Viking age.
As a Roman history junkie with serbian ethnic roots I'm very excited.
So glad this is back!!
Thank you for bringing it back! You should probably have immediately revoked your vassals barony. It's always best to own every Castle in your capital
Jon: Listen Rector, we’ve known each other for about an hour which in this game is a lifetime. You declared a holy war against my liege and so I’m just taking your territory while you’re distracted. We good?
Rector: +10 Good Acquaintance.
Welcome back indeed!
I loved Cornwall, am excited about this one and you are making me look foward to CK III
This year keeps getting better and better on MATN
Jon, all of the coastal provinces have a single barony city owned by the Byzantines and all of them probably have a trade port owned by Venice.
Back to CK2. Can't wait for Jon to experience the joys of Imperial Succession.
Also dealing with large MR vassals who don't let you take their titles.
And the bug where the Byzantine Empire cannot usurp kingdom titles even if they own every county of that kingdom.
Also Jon, please never dismiss your levies while they"re in foreign territory. You lose a massive amount of your levy that way
If you don't desperately need them at that moment and they're far away it may be worth it to lose hakf of them to save the upkeep costs. But yes, generally it shouldn't be done, I'm surprised he didn't know/remember that
I’ve never been so excited for a sequel in my life
I'm so excited for this series!!! I love this channel.
By the way, Montenegro is a gorgeous country with good weather and stunning landscapes and interesting old ruins and cities. I lived there for a few years and it was quite lovely!
me watching john "oh its because hes a lunatic" (the realization hits)