When Molten Salt Hits Molten Metal
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- Today we're mixing molten salt with various molten metals to see how they react!
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The next day when nate poured the molten copper into the steel tray for the copper and salt, the steel on the bottom immediately started glowing orange. It looks awesome
5:23
I love how he just had to lick the salt ingot in the end, just on pure impulse, lmao
Why not try mixing the salt and the aluminum or whatever other substance together in the crucible before melting it and allow them to melt together to see what happens
Darius Williams it’s probably gonna just mix together
He said that because it would probably mix better like that
Of course your muffins stuck. You didnt use paper muffin liners
And he cooked the icing with the cake. Smh what a rookie
You should send that weird brown salt (NaCl) crust to Cody - he's got an X-ray machine that can analyse chemical components of things. Try melting Tin (Sn) - it's ridiculously shiny when raw. You can mix it with Lead (Pb) and Copper (Cu) quite easily.
Great idea. Still, while the handheld XRF will tell you how much (if any) copper is in the salt, it can't tell you what form the copper is in. It's possible that the fast-cooling of copper allowed a small amount of metallic copper to disperse into the salt, but it's also possible that some combination of copper, oxygen, sodium and chlorine has made a distinct compound that is dispersed within the salt crust. There are a plethora of possibilities, including ones involving copper complexes (I'm thinking Na2[CuCl4], - sodium tetrachlorocuprate (II) is a possibility).
I don't know if its Sodium tetrachlorocuprate (II), I think it might be Copper (II) Chloride.
I believe it was a chemical reaction. CuCl2-copper chloride formed which is a brown salt
If there was any sodium tetrachlorocuprate present, that would give the salt an intense bright yellowish green colour, even if only tiny amounts were there. You can make a similar complex in water solution fairly easily, by dissolving a soluble copper salt (such as copper sulfate or copper nitrate) into concentrated hydrochloric acid. This just forms the [CuCl4]2- ion without any sodium present, but this has the same colour.
With the brown salt formed here, it's more likely that the molten salt acted somewhat like a flux and some oxides from the copper dissolved into the salt. Copper(I) oxide is pink, copper(II) oxide is black, so addition of a little bit of both could easy result in a brown salt like we see near the end of this video.
I think everybody should know the symbols of each element on the periodic table if they watch this kind of content :p
*makes tongs
*refuses to use them
TheChipmunk2008 yeah I was wondering the same
TheChipmunk2008 maybe this video was made before the new tongs
Looool
Duality Not too lengthy? Oh really?
So you're saying that getting the foundry to 1,5k Fahrenheit to melt salt and to 2k Fahrenheit to melt copper doesn't take much time? Or do you think that metal cools down fast from it's melting temperature to the point it's comfortable to touch?
Lol
You should always pour the metal in the molten salt to prevent further oxidation when cooling down. You can dissolve the salt away later
This video shows how much time is spent in a video yet we only see 10 minutes yet most last a day of recording appreciate your work
You should try to melt both the aluminium and salt in 1 crucible at the same time.
Derek Thatcher pretty sure he did that in the video
Ben Bither, i mean, mix them together and then melt them inside 1 crucible.
The salt will act as a flux with the dross from melting aluminum.
I agree that he should mix them ahead of time, but maybe he could use powdered metal.
Send that brown salt to Cody and he can look at it under his spectrometer!
Mix the salt and copper while it's in the metal foundry
Den Lewis Balbas thats the same snkwi
just say throw the salt and copper in the same crucible before melting, I feel like the densities of the two substances would still separate them out in the end (like oil and water).
Elijah Jaeger no it would fuse together becasue an alloys like aluminum bronze is made by melting them together and they don't seperate
your talking about a ionic material alloying w/ a Metal. There could be the possibility of copper chloride or aluminum chloride forming w/ an excess of sodium, but that depends on reactivity. I don't think it will alloy. I'll be okay if you prove me wrong Jimmy Cook.
Correction to my last reply: neither Copper (Cu) or Aluminum (Al) are reactive enough to replace Sodium (Na) in salt (NaCl or Sodium chloride).
*End of the video approaches*
Nate: *licks the aluminum-salt mix*
Me: *facepalms* "Nate, I know you like tasting things but....THAT really?!" *bursts out laughing*
XD XD XD XD
Seeing that brown copper salt all I could think of was WHAT DOES IT TASTE LIKE, but with the aluminum I remembered that getting aluminum in your system is known to cause demtia/alzheimers... Don't eat aluminum!
Rocket propelled by acetylene gas would be cool to watch .
Bibek Sunar that is some chemistry
When have you learned from the old king to lick everything that he experienced with 😂😂😂
Make more desktop weapons, plz. They are sooo fun to watch and even make
A) Use the tong that you made or have some proper tongs made for you.
B) Line the tine with liquid paper (whiteout) when pouring higher temp metals(copper, brass, etc.) into the steel muffin pan. This will help keep the metals from sticking as much. Use a lot.
You should put the salt and the copper into the same pot while in the fireplace thing and mix it as they melt, take the pot out when everything is mixed or if they will
Melting them together or mixing them afterwards is no different. Salt will never alloy with these metals. The process of alloying is the combination of two elements, one of which being a metal but table salt (NaCl) isn't an element at all, it belongs to a group of compounds literally called salts. It can be referred to as a sodium salt, likewise with sodium carbonate etc.
HMS-Captain Lurmey yea ik but that was an example everyone doesnt know that and seeing the metalls being mixed inside the foundry would be nice
Nothing here was an example and it's not hard to look up how alloys work. It wouldn't be interesting at all to see them melted in the same container as it wouldn't do anything new. You'd just see glowing liquid and it'd settle out into the same two separate layers of salt and metal.
HMS-Captain Lurmey You could've looked it up to begin with and skipped the video entirely, an average viewer not knowing how the materials are supposed to react together might hypothesize that the material that hits the pan first may be cooling at a slightly faster rate, and that that slight difference in temperature is what's causing the separation, therefore before writing it off as a failure they'd like to see the materials melted together in the furnace to know that it makes no difference.
To say "look it up it doesn't work" is to spit in the face of the very nature of this show, none of these experiments need to be done, all the results can be guessed with a basic understanding of the fundamentals of the components at hand, they do them anyway, because knowing how something should react and seeing how something does are two separate concepts, and this show focuses on the later.
Someone may have already said this, but if you mix the copper and/or aluminum with salt in the crucible together while under heat the salt acts as a flux for the metals and caues the impurities to float on the top. You can skim the slag off the top and you will have a more pure form of the metal.
What happens when you put wet concrete in a vacuum chamber?
Watching this 2 years later. I hope Ned got new tongs for Christmas.
The molten salt looks like cooking oil
It's the iodine that giving it that colour
a-lpha of Zeldaforme Gaming that's what I thought I think it looks like vegetable oil
You should just use a magnet on the salt that was on top of the copper. If the salt gets drawn to the magnet, it has copper mixed in it
You went to all that trouble building tools to lift & pour the crucible, so why don;t you use them??
He propbally made tgese before that video
When you have salt, aluminum, copper, a few crucibles, and a metal foundry and you just say frick it
Can u combine glass and metals together
Lmao!!... Don't mind me, that was all interesting and cool, but everytime I heard the words "Cool Down" I had to laugh a bit.
try to melt tin and copper to make bronze
When you forget to grease your muffin pan
What happens if you Mix it in the crucible
Amazing suggestion!
Yeah, do it !
Bananen Power same thing I’m guessing
Justin R. Your ninja is woke
Copper sticks to steel. It’s used for brazing steel in the form of brass rods that are mostly copper. The salt may have acted as a flux.
That's a super handy furnace. I use a dental burnout furnace.
electronicsNmore if you really like it, they have a video on how to make it.
I use a cobblestone furnace. Cooks those potatoes like a charm
I think the brown color is due to copper(II) chloride being formed. Possible future experiments:
1) melt metal + salt in same crucible (probably get much the same result)
2) remelt mixed ingot to see if you can separate the salt from the metal
3) with a stirred mix (like the Al/salt mixed up ingot) use water to dissolve away the salt and see what the aluminum looks like
CAN YOU MELT ROCK PLEASE....
He already did that, check out the arc furnace video. The foundry is not powerful enough
If you use white out on your muffin tin it should allow the copper or any other metal not to forge weld as bad. Works in canister damascus anyway. Just something you might try.
mix them inside the furnace instead of pouring them on each other
How many people seriously think this would make a difference? Salt literally can't alloy with a metal since it's a compound of sodium, not an element. Melting them together will be no different in any way to mixing them afterwards beside having a cleaner separation due to the layering of their different densities.
at least better than the idea mixing them out the furnace
Not at all. It's no different. Exactly the same result, not worth another video.
HMS-Captain Lurmey depending on the metal you could well get sodium fumes. It should work with aluminum. Copper is quite nobel it won't bother with sodium but iirc aluminum is less noble than sodium meaning it could reduce the sodium ions to sodium which literally would evaporate at these temperatures. (though the aluminum chloride that would form would break into aluminum and chlorine gas). But that's grey theory. Chance of success 0.001% I'd say
King of random!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Make your own salt lamp!!
It's why greensand is better than steel for casting copper
a-lpha of Zeldaforme Gaming Steel has a lower melting point than copper
it most certainly does not. copper has a melting point at least 375 degrees below even eutectic steel. greensand is better because it can be formed easily, will not sinter during pouring (at a sintering temperature of 1900C for glauconite and bentonites when copper melts at under 1100C). copper iron alloying can occur but only from interdiffusion which is very limited at that temperature - steel is BCC with BCT inclusions opposed to FCC copper; more likely it's slag and oxides nucleating at the surface of the iron oxides forming at the hot interface of the tin.
daniel its a mixture of beach sand and green food coloring.
Na but for real its a mix of bentonite clay, sand, and just enough water to hold things together. Its like your ideal sandcastle sand on steroids
Makes me curious about mixing them while molten in the furnace, like puting the aluminum and salt in the same crucible, and the copper and salt in the same crucible, letting them both reach the same liquid temp and mixing togeather while in furnace then pouring, seeing if it had a diferent result.... i was more so looking up liquid salt casting because of supernatural, Bobby has the panic room made of pure iron with a layer of salt coating, i was curious how he smoothly bonded the salt to the iron if it was him melting the salt and pouring it over the cold metal or growing salt crystals on the iron in vats....
really? salt..again!?
Are you feeling... salty by that?
I think that expanding of aluminum and salt is the result of aluminum. Where I work, we use, among other, crucibles with gallium and aluminum (separately :D ) that are kept in molten state all the time. If we have to bring the temperature down below the melting point, the crucible is considered to be cracked and changed for a new one
Make Steel!
Kinda easy and not interesting though, but his foundry doesn't get hot enough. Iron needs 2750 F to melt, and he said his only gets barely hotter than 2000 F.
"man alive this is sticking!" ;) (I love this guy!!!)
Melt salt and aluminum together
you guys may want to try making maple sugar!
you contiune boiling maple syrup until even less water is left inside. when it becomes molten maple sugar you rapidly aerate the molten sugar with an electric mixer, as the air is mixed into the molten sugar it rapidly drys and cools into chunks of granulated maple sugar. its both really cool and delicious
Enough with the molten salt already !
Yeah!
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No and why
Lord Sauron NO
Calm down if u don't like it then don't watch it they don't make vids for just you
Next time you cast something in a muffin pan try coating the pan with liquid paper (avoid the fumes when poring the metal) it's how blacksmiths keep the metal from sticking when making canister Damascus
RAAA DO IT WITH SUGAR TOO! 😭😭😭
Poor sugar, not getting any love 😢😢
Sugar is made of plants, not a metal or crystal. It would most likely just burn.
You mean caramel, don't you?
Liquid sugar does not have to be caramelized, and caramelized sugar does not have to have melted either.
The melting of sugar and the caramelization are two independent processes but happen at closely the same temperature range.
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In reference to the liquid copper and liquid salt mixing... Even though they both melt at different temperatures, I don’t think the salt is “cooler” than the copper. They were both in the same furnace. It wouldn’t make sense that, despite having different melting points, the temperature from one would be higher or lower than the other.
Thoughts?
Facts?
Try mixing aluminum with uranium
He probably doesn’t have access to uranium..
I've been watching alot of supernatural lately, and seeing your molten salt viedos, can you meet salt and pour into bullet molds and see if they fire correct?
Make colored car smoke
“The most ambitious crossover event in history”
you should try to mix them on a block of clear ice
or just a GIANT block of clear ice and inject molten copper into the middle for a 9.5 million subscriber milestone
Yessssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You should use some oil for that muffin tin 😂👑✌🏻
Where are your fancy tongs that you made ?
What about coating the fuse to a firecracker in sodium metal and tossing it in water?
Try to melt gold or silver, it would be great fun
Ŕųśhî Śçöřpîøñ gold and silver have extremely high melting points. Higher than this foundry can get to.
Elijah Jaeger you can melt gold with a torch. I'm pretty sure two propane torches could easily melt it
Oregano sorry I was just thinking of the process the Canadians do to smelt down gold and silver. Both Ag and Au have melting points below 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Depending on how pure they are.
and gold is high and expensive
klo udz atleast silver in neat foundry, so can extract ed cleanly
"We might need a new muffin tray"
~Nate 10/6/18
A "Wise old saying" in the making!
First
To make an overdone comment.
I suspect that the color of the salt is caused by the oxidized/corroded metal in it. The heat alone oxidizes metal even before the melting point and salt is known to speed up the process of oxidization in metals. That's why there are shades of green in the salt mixed with copper and why there are shades of blue in the salt mixed with aluminum. When corroded, copper will turn green and aluminum a bluish dark grey.
Do something with oxygen
Berk The Savage breath?
Today we will be *breathing*
Growing trees
Maybe this will work better if you mix powdered copper or aluminum with the salt before melting it. You can order powdered metal online, I recommend using metal powder instead of file shavings.
It's time to melt that glass again and mix the molten metals with that now.
Hypothesis/theory:
Molten salt has a tendency to draw in minerals from the substances surrounding it.
I would like to see y'all test this with a few things, such as: molten sand, solid glass (more than likely store bought), Zinc, Cobalt, Iron, Silver, Super Glue, Mercury, and Chrome/Chromium (if at all possible)
If you guys would do this, I'd be super excited!
I like how you just get to the point within a minute you were pouring stuff
MELT YOUR OLD MUFFIN TINS AND POUR IT INTO ICE!
I have a couple ideas. Melt the muffin tin and pour it into an identical mold. Then, try molten aluminum vs liquid nitrogen.
Salts are used as fluxing agents when smelting metal. They dissolve the metal oxides removing them from the casting.
He should have oiled the muffin tin before adding the muffin mix😂
Welcome to King of Random 2018:
1:Molten salt(or basically anything you can melt in there mixed in every possible way
2: random "projects" for 5 yr olds that no one really cares about
3:who is the guy on the right again?
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I like how he showed us how to make crucible tongs but he still uses the cooking tongs. Makes sense.
one of the best inro editing i have ever see n on youtube
The metal is so much denser than the salt that they will always separate
Molten chloride salts make for excellent fluxes. If you add in some calcium chloride the mixture will dissolve all metal oxides like crazy, and you can pour some really metallic and clean surfaces. Thats also why the copper looks so nice and red; and the salt so brown. Oh yeah and you probably should not lick it too much. Not only are not all metal salts equally healthy; especially if you add some calcium chloride it will start dissolving all kinds of chinesium from your crucible too.
I really like the intros across different videos.
Here's one idea with the molten salt:
What if you instantly pour water on top of it while it's liquid? This'll take the chance away from the salt to crystallize, similar to how obsidian cools down too quickly to form crystals.
Try letting the copper salt mixture oxidize to and check its color. It may turn green if it was the copper's color that made it brown.
Next time use some Pam. Keep those muffins from stickin.
Using salt in a mold would be incredible :) Imagine a solid salt rabbit!
9:08 the copper is now cuprous chloride, take a few taste that. You just let them react directly, the question is: Where's the sodium? Maybe alloy with the metal or just react with the air
He throws away the salt and copper hybrid never to realize that it was a room temperature superconductor!
I have been watching your videos since start a fire with a water bottle
Miners used to line the crucibles they used to separate mercury-gold amalgam with paper--cigarette papers or newsprint--to keep the gold from sticking to the container.....might be worth a try. (Reference the book Dear Mad'm, by Stella Patterson--an awesome read!)
try mixing molten salt and liquid nitrogen plz. love you guys, your awesome, doing some great work, keep up the great vids! TKOR forever!
I know it would be a bit of a hassle but if you melt the copper and salt again like you did here in this video and pour it out the same way. Try taking the salt that became bonded to the copper and have an assay done on it. Maybe during the extreme shift in temperature there might have been a chemical reaction. Speaking of chemical reactions I would love to find out if there is a way to separate the sodium from the chlorine in salt.
Dip the flint in liquid nitrogen , then make it red hot and throw it on the ground. Will the type of explosion differ ?
I wonder if you left the salt to cool in the pan and poured the molten copper on it if it would remelt or if the salt would cool the copper enough to solidify 1st. If it stays solid enough the salt might allow for the copper to be easier to remove from the pan.
The end result looks exactly like my attempt at baking.
U know what I love all these mixing videos but u really need to do those old real DIYs and those other exciting projects
It’s amazing how just by these guys thinking of something to do and then filming it makes them famous.
What happend if the ingot mix alumunium with salt you make it molten in a same place
Could you try some experiments with gallium? Such as laying some gallium on an aluminum can(scratch the surface a bit) to make it super soft to the touch.
That’s why they recommend using PAM on your muffin trays LoL
You should try melting the copper and salt together in the foundry. Hopefully it'll create a cool alloy!
You may have answered this question before. But what is the difference between that kosher salt that you are using and regular salt especially ?
if you coat the muffin tray with a thick layer of soot (the black stuff from a bad combustion fire) then you should have a better time getting them out...
Who wouldn't know what soot is? It's just finely powdered carbon, essentially identical to crushed coal coke or charcoal. Yes, though, I bet a caking of charcoal or wood ash would help with the removal.
The backyard fondery has seen better days. Maybe you should build a new upgraded one
What would happen if you put gallium in the foundry?
Try dissolving the brown salt in water. If the water turns blue, you may have reacted the copper with the salt to make copper chloride and sodium.
Love the molten metal videos