The Suit Is Dead. Modern Men Wear This
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In our video, Chris Modoo and Austin Pollak discuss whether the suit is outdated and the advantage of owning separates.
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I wear my suits or coordinate jackets and trousers specifically because I enjoy wearing them. That’s the only reason. I love wearing them because it’s my style. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thank you for your kind words and for sharing your perspective! We're glad you enjoy our videos and appreciate your support.
You guys ought to make a video on how to style a Navy Double Breasted Pea Coats , they're such a classy Garment to dress up .
Great videos guys, I always find the chemistry between you two so refreshing.
Here in japan polyester suits or "set ups" are the mainstay here. I personally wear a plethora of materials but always a suit.
The suit isnt dead here in japan luckily
Thanks for the comment and great fabrics always make a difference whether it's a suit, blazer or any piece of clothing!
Japan keeps impressing me as a country. Hope to visit soon.
I absolutely disagree with you opinion on this subject. They is nothing ever called over dressed. A suit is a statement of a person that loves looking well dressed not a fashion statement.
💯 as Tom Ford says..there are no rules in fashion and everyone has to make what works for them
You just sound like you lack self-awareness. You wouldn't turn up in black tie to a 'smart casual' event unless you're trying to state that you either can't follow basic instructions, or you think that social custom and convention don't apply to you.
would you wear a suit to the beach? how about a baby shower? you can be overdressed if it is not appropriate for the event. a suit is not appropriate for an occasion which it does not call for...like a casual lunch.
@@martinvanburen4578 100%, but there are more casual suits though with more casual fabrics and detailing. So whenever a tux might not be appropriate, your light linen suit with patch pockets might be completely appropriate.
If the younger, American guy in the video was wearing a jacket that actually fit him, and not one a size or so too small, he would be better off. Tom Ford has a lot of sartorial misdirection to answer for, imo!
Little things Modoo says reveal his hipness. "Wearing a suit open necked (without a tie) is a difficult look to carry off." He's right about that. There is a formality associated with a suit that naturally clashes with the informality of an open necked shirt collar. Everything Modoo says is worth listening to.
It isn't hard if you're attractive and in shape
@@adamm2851This is not about fitness, in fact you should not even see how trained you are in a suit because this is not what suits are for. If you need an example of what I mean look up Jason Momoa's black tie outfits vs Daniel Craig's pink velvet jacket.
@@teekueYou just mentioned two fit men
Apart from some lawyer firms and real estate agencies, funerals are the only places where I see more people in suits than separates in my home town. It gets slighly more common in the capital but a separate is usually considered ore appropriate.
Interesting observation! In different places, the choice between suits and separates can vary. Thanks for sharing your perspective!
The working from home (WFH) culture that came about as a result of the pandemic lockdowns (here in the UK) hasn't done the traditional men's suit any favours . Dress codes generally are a lot more casual, and becoming more so, but I still view a smart two-piece or three-piece suit as the top of the sartorial tree. The fact that it can be made from so many different types of fabric just adds to its kudos. Whenever I wear a business suit it is always to look my very best. It is also a mark of respect to those I will be meeting and working with. When I look the part, I feel the part, and that boosts my confidence to act the part. As we rapidly approach the nadir of dress codes, the right men will seize the initiative to look different by dressing ever smarter. The suit is NOT dead.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Whatever you wear it does say something about you, and confidence is always key!
Fascinating segment and very enjoyable. Austin and Chris make a great team here. There’s a lot to unpack in this discussion. Myriad factors are at play in today’s “business” climate which of course impacts dress. I add demographics, cultures, regionalism, remote work, professions and personal tastes to the equation because there is no simple proof to, “Is the suit dead.” No, it’s not but the workforce has changed. Millennials (US) are not the Boomers, which took its original style habits from the Greatest Generation (1920 births) but went agog at British 60s fashions, then off the grid with the florals and wide lapels and wide pants of the 70s and eventually ushered in the late 80’s (dreadful) “casual Fridays” and “jeans day.” My dress habits in NYC were far different than today I n Florida, which is essentially a wasteland for sartorial standards. Open shirts, no jackets at formal weddings and casual wear at funerals? Oy and ugh. Lastly, the demise of department store shopping and regional retail powerhouses has limited both access to and influence by sharp menswear departments. This includes the professionals who would measure you, assist in color coordination and advise on the very best fabrics - Mostly wool! Always wool except the occasional linen or cotton summer suits, never worn after Labor Day! Personally, I love wearing a sharp suit with Rampley pocket square and enjoy sport jackets and open neck shirts as desired. In either case, I can be comfortable, myself, and make a statement if desired. I recall a quote attributed to Frank Sinatra, who reportedly wore only black tie after 6 p.m.; “Always dress as if you have someplace better to go.”
Thanks for the very thoughtful comment. The most important point you touched on was, that you are comfortable and yourself in what you wear, and can dress up or down to make a statement if desired. That's the sign of a confident dresser!
Beautifully articulated and I agree with every word.
Man up
Gentlemen: I beg to differ. My family and I are clients of Rampley and enjoy their products of quality. Suits are NOT dead, at least among "true gentleman" of style and class. You seem to be acquiescing to the new "slobbery" which has infected the U.S.A. and some other parts of the world. Suits are suits...sports coats are sports coats...period. I'm American, born and raised in Boston, Mass. I disagree vehemently with Mr. Modoo's so-called "American co-host", who seems to revel in the disparagement of wearing suits. That guy needs to learn what style means,,,,,NOT fashion.
American “slobbery”! Ha, well put. You seem to have noticed pants below the butt, oversized graphic Ts, flip flops, tank tops, backwards ball caps etc., have somehow become acceptable “clothing.” In restaurants no less! I grew up in NYC metro, lived in Boston proper and now reside in Florida. This state is a true wasteland of horrible clothing choices.
This is actually how I dress nowadays - since COVID, dress codes have gone way down in formality. Even though I like to be more dressed up than the people around me, a sport jacket or blazer with odd trousers is less ostentatious. Also, I have machine washable trousers so I only have to dry clean the jackets which saves some money.
A cousin of mine who works in a law firm does not own or wear one suit. The dress code levi jeans with dress shirt.
Thanks for the comment, and yes as the guys were saying, separates or even more casual outfits are pretty common in the workplace these days.
I prefer sports jackets with odd trousers over suits as well because I love creating different looking outfits each day. Sports jackets and odd trousers have way more combinations than suits while still allowing you to look elegant and well put together.
Thanks for sharing!
On a side note: I think blazers should be the same length as suit jackets. So not like on the left where the green blazer is definitely too short. Apart from that you have a lot of good thoughts.
I like a slightly shorter sports jacket or blazer if the model is natural shouldered/unstructured. I will watch video closely and look for the green blazer you mention.
Another really good video, and a lot of things said with which I agree. I own only one suit, all the rest are separates, with more than 10 sport coats. I find it both more fun (especially with bolder ones) and more versatile to combine separates in more or less formal ways and for more or less formal occasions. We do live in a very casual age, where in all our individuality people mostly look the same - so please do outdress your bosses! Show them how it's done! Be you! It's clothes, have fun! :)
💯 I've got 3 suits for business and about 40 blazer/sports coats for casual events and nights out
Thanks, and yes that was the main takeaway from the video, the suit is not the mainstay it once was (particularly in the corporate world), but many people still love to wear a suit. Separates give you more variation in the looks you can achieve, but it's all down to personal choice!
I like separates but I think the look doesn’t go well with a tie. It looks odd. Suit will always be king for a courtroom or funeral
Always? Like forever?
Depends on how what your seperates look like. Navy blazer with grey flannel trousers? Clasic tie ensemble. Low waist chino and hopsack sports jacket? Probably not a good idea.
I would have suits and separates as dress code for a high tech start-up, paying homage to US electronics companies back in the 70s. I remember watching the Ph.D. inventors lecture on the technology that was the core of the technology. They wore suits.
Suits were very popular in the 20th century…
I don't believe the 'suit' is dead or dying however I do believe that elegance and good taste are becoming rare with the great masses today. Even celebrities are travelling looking like bag ladies and the like, shame really.
Thanks for your response...what do you think is keeping the suit relevant?
@@chrismodoo6563 Easy answer, nothing to date makes a man look more elegant than a suit and tie. There just is no substitute for a proper well fitting suit IMO.
@@supersonique001 how about a beautifully tailored morning coat? Or Frock coat?
Its most common today to see people dressed like they shop at costco or sams club. Dress is degenerating to where we will all be wearing track suits and debating the correct tilt of our ball cap.
…I love shopping at Costco…I tend not to wear a suit. It had more of a “separates” vibe…
@@chrismodoo6563 i was talkin cargo shorts and polo knits. Schlubs
8:38, many Cities on the US west coast are in a sartorial dark ages. The population seems largely void of any knowledge about dress code and formality. Based on their clothes, most men appear totally lost in all settings. Ultra-casual clothing like T-shirt and sweats are seen at traditionally formal events. Its not a fashion statement. They don't know any better. The informal lounge suit is rare, replaced at best by casual separates, which is thought of as dressed up and business formal. They've fallen off the bottom rung of the formality ladder. I look at pictures of the early 20th century and I'm amazed at the peoples apparel. How and why did we devolve from that? As a society we have devalued our appearance.
It’s another symptom of the ‘Fall of the West’
Nice conversation regarding modern professional wear. I have found myself picking three suits and three jacket/trouser combinations with two different casual style outfits for my monthly wardrobe. Monday and Wednesdays I wear suits, Tuesdays and Thursdays I wear a jacket/trouser combo, Friday is a more casual outfit (though still professional). This has been working for me as I enjoy wearing a suit, but I also enjoy wear a jacket/trouser combination. It also allows me to have a capsule wardrobe for a month and enjoy those cloths. I can then move on to a “new” wardrobe the next month and enjoy wearing those cloths. What do you guys think?
I usually do not break up the suits, but hearing that part of the conversation has me considering it.
A question for Chris. Can you do a video explaining how to extend a wardrobe with the use of shirts and ties? I'm hoping you can explain where people can go after the more pedestrian white or blue shirts that our American friends are so fond of... French cuffs can be included in the conversation if you please, but really I was hoping you could touch on colours and textures, warm and cool tones, light, mid and dark tones of shirting, and how different ties play off them as well as the rest of the outfit. CBD/Cosmopolitan styling and also Suburban/Country styling, and the versatility of items. I realize I'm asking a lot, but I think it would make good fodder for a video, plus I'm just keen to hear the sartorial gurus take on things. 🙏
Great ideas for new content
@@chrismodoo6563 This is a more serious question, how do you and Austin actually come up with the content for a video? Thanks
@@Tie-clip…Rampley give us the topics but we all have ideas. We are always open to suggestions…
@@chrismodoo6563 Right. Honestly I was just trying to ask for topics that would show your depth of knowledge.
@@Tie-clip your suggestions are good. I have passed to Rampley.
Wait until Mr. Bond hears about this
I don't agree that the suit is dead, I enjoy suits, especially 3 piece.
I love a good 3pce suit….I like to wear them with a starched collar shirt.
disagree with the premise here, which seems to be that the only reason to wear a suit is because you have to, at work. offshore- based mtm companies are doing a brisk trade, also bespoke tailors, including in suiting. . Low-end to mid- range clothiers have taken a beating.
No...quite the opposite-wear a suit because you WANT to....the premise is that the tailored jacket is acceptable for most occasions that requires a "suit". Thanks for responding!
I feel like dark suits (even here in the UK) are becoming a bit like black lounge/strollers used to be up until the 1970s. Apart from weddings, funerals, job interviews etc, it depends on the line of work - if you work in finance, legal fields, City of London, politics etc. Of course I'm not saying black lounge is dead either! You can get away with it more often than full morning dress nowadays
I'd like to get a stroller but I'm afraid no-one in Canada will understand the dress code if I wear it. Probably will anyway 😄
@@DavidJAFoster In a lot of ways it's not far off the navy blazer + grey trousers look. A black or dark charcoal grey jacket with lighter grey trousers, ideally patterned, is pretty much a stroller if you add a waistcoat. It's the kind of thing you can wear as a wedding guest sometimes depending on what the groom is wearing
@Molach101 yeah I think it would be a little too formal for a business attire wedding. I got a light blue suit for the next one I'm attending.
Modern men wear a dress
It isnt about occassions. My CEO wears shorts and a t-shirt every day. I wear a suit M-H and a jacket and odd trousers on Friday. The world is so casual its just about what you want.
The CEO does not have to oblige to dress codes because everyone knows he's the CEO. Just like Tim Cook, Bill Gates etc. They don't want to AND don't have to look nice.
Dress codes? We all work in 8 states. We live on zoom there is no dress codes. I have never worked anywhere as an engineer in 24 years that had a dress code
I have several suites. They have their appropriate place when seperates won't do. A wide collection of seperates is the way to go for almost any other situation. No jeans, trainers, or sneakers please. Fashion is for kids. Style is for gentleman. Do not out dress the boss. And yes, wear a necktie and pocket square. Shine the shoes and don't forget to shave under your chin.
Separates to me, are a business casual outfit, and have become the standard in most office environments or times where you want to "dress up" without going over the top. This used to be the realm of the lounge suit, I wonder if in the years to come we will see increasing casualisation with the jacket being dropped altogether and a polo, henley or knitwear is sufficient for most people.
That's an interesting observation! Separates have indeed become a go-to for many in office settings.
As is par for these Rampley & Co videos, I enjoyed this one too.
I did not feel the tone of this conversation was to disparage the suit as much as it was an observation of its disappearance.
I flew to NY, from New Orleans, a day or so ago. I was one of a select few not just wearing a suit, but wearing a coat or sports jacket. Flying was once a sartorial affair, especially for those in First Class.
I still wear suits, but am in the severest minority.
On another subject, am I the only one suffering from finding a good tailor for adjustments and fittings. It’s so difficult to find a good tailor.
How “tailored” can one expect a jacket from Rampley and Co to be upon arrival to the US? Without access to a good tailor, I hesitate to order a jacket.
Ahhh, a good tailor! In Florida, yes, I’ve found it very difficult to source a good one. Some trial and error as formal (suit, bespoke) menswear become less the “norm.” I now have an alterations shop do my tailoring including taking in or adjusting wool slacks, creating turn-ups, fitting my suits the right way; i.e. under the arms or shoulders without the standard “close the back seam” which only makes a jacket tighter. Because I wear a “long”, working cuffs are another issue as some jackets I like only come in regular.
@JRehak1962 We offer the standard jacket sizing, 40, 42 etc, along with short, regular, long and slim or regular fit. If you want to get a great fit, we can show you how to take a few key measurements off an existing jacket you own and can recommend what would be the ideal size for you. If you are interested, please email us at info@rampleyandco.com and we'd be happy to answer any questions!
If the suit is dead then why are they still made and who in the hell told you that blue pants and a khaki jacket with a pink tie matched? Should you be giving fashion tips?
Thank you for your question. I think we covered these points in the video.
I dont think the suit is dead at all. I personally love getting dressed up, and try to wear a suit and tie more often.
I would not say suits are dead. Sport jackets are great, but a little lower on the formality spectrum. I wear suits for business/professional events, church, weddings, funerals and fine restaurants.
Is the suit dead???? NOOOOO!!!
A linen suit to a beach party would work, if you can rock it with a Panama hat and sandals.😎
Taking the lounge suit back to its origin as an informal garment only to be worn in the countryside or seaside resorts.
Look @ the bright side. Yes there are changes in trends; therefore you might see a drop in Suits being worn. Having said that; it doesn't become obsolete but rather more unique when wearing a Suit.
Along with wearing a full Suits since the style comes and goes but will remain Timeless never going out of style
that is a bold claim for the suit...
@chrismodoo6563 thank you
To me a jacket is a very casual garment, like a flight jacket, bomber jacket, etc., often with a zipper. A coat is more classy such as a Pea Coat, Sport Coat, an Overcoat, a Greatcoat,etc. We had a meeting and the bosses were dressed more casual than I would be if I was working in their positions. I also look at men wearing suits in my city and the state of their shoes are horrendous.
What wearing a suit does for a man is help him stand out from the sartorially unwashed masses. The way to make a suit less-formal is through careful selection of its cloth, color and pattern. Linen is a great way to still look dapper with a full-suit but with a more casual look. Cotton and seersucker also can fit this bill. If you want to go for wool, then wearing lighter colors allows one to embrace the symmetry and elegance of a full suit while at the same time dressing appropriately for a more casual occasion. Something else to keep in mind is that if you are a shorter man then wearing separates is going to accentuate that by cutting you in half. Yes, there are certain times when wearing separates can work but overall a man will look far more dapper and elegant if he wears a proper suit with the correct style, cloth, color and pattern.
Here's a little test about whether or not formality is dead. Dress like a 'comfortable' slob and walk through an airport, noting how many attractive women give you a glance, or even say hi. Repeat, in smart-casual. And again, in jacket and tie. And again, in a suit. The numbers? They will increase each time.
Suits will make a come back!
…let’s see. Do you think they are currently out of fashion?
As a rebel at heart, the fewer people wearing suits would be the exact reason I would wear one.
That is an excellent reason to wear one.
I totally agree.
Absolute junk video, the business does not sell suits, only sells tailored jackets. Tries to tell you the suit is dead and the tailored jacket is the thing.😂
I think we covered these points in the video but thanks for your feedback.
Here in London I don't think the suit is dead at all but the tie might be headed that way
The man on the left seems to be wearing a blazer a bit smaller in length and a wee bit tight at the sleeves and armhole too.
WFH killed all my suit wearing
Do you miss wearing a suit?
Even on special occasions
...
It's Sport coat or blazer, these days.
I rarely see people wearing a tie these days. Most people that I see in a suit and tie on a regular basis are more junior employees.
Interesting comment. Which industry and location does this refer to?
@chrismodoo6563 Australia, seems across all industries. I work in the engineering sector in a global company and based on when I travel or the daily conference calls that I have, nobody is wearing ties, few are wearing duits, even on exec team. When presenting to the City, even then ties are not seen.
@@Rob6020 thanks for this…I’ve been in the City of London last week…I only saw 3-4 suits and ties. 20 years ago it was the norm…
@chrismodoo6563 That said, I've often seen people in a suit and tie that don't look as smart as I do when I'm doing chores around the house. Terrible fit, sloppily worn. You can look ready for business in jeans, sneakers and a shirt or polo these days. I think it's more down to overall style, or panache maybe the right word, than the specific type of clothes.
So, did they exchange jackets?
"The Suit Is Dead. Modern Men Wear This " - spoken like a true salesman. Suit sales are actually on the rise.
Interesting. Compared to when?
@@chrismodoo6563I can't post a link but if you search yourself you will find a market report stating that the men's suit market is "Growing at a CAGR of 4.1%" from 2023 -2030
@@ABC-rh7zcthanks…you mean suit sales are predicted to rise?
@@chrismodoo6563 From Allied Market Research: "The global Men's Suit Market Size was valued at $12.6 billion in 2022, and is projected to reach $20.2 billion by 2032, growing at a CAGR of 4.9% from 2023 to 2032."
@@ABC-rh7zc…and what will suits look like in 2030?
The modern suits with the short jacket are ugly and deforming the most men's silhouette.
Across Europe, incl. UK, dark blue jeans, dress shirt ( not cuff links), blazer or suit jacket is the norm. Accompanied with good boots or shoes… splash of colour from “Happy Socks”. Job done! Don’t over-think it gentlemen!
Yes…many men dress like this.
I think it should be approached with caution…one false move and you are giving Jeremy Clarkson vibes.
Austin always looks great in this look.
In Sydney ties are not suitable for the climate , a lot of men don’t do sprayed well, I wear a suit with no tie year round and include the jacket in winter. For me a tailored suit of the same cloth is smart and comfortable
Thanks for your feedback and always interesting to hear international perspectives. I would suggest mixing in some separates. Do you find you wear your trousers out much quicker than your jackets?
A black suit is a mandate for funerals.
Alternatively, a black morning coat or a charcoal lounge suit. I also think Michael Caine nailed the funeral look is Get Carter wearing a dark navy mohair.
My suit is a reflection if my personality and values not the other way around. It's not a fashion statement.
Absolutely. Well said.
Everyone dresses down…except: if they say black tie, they mean it. If you attend any theater event called an opening or premiere, dress up! Don’t be the idiot in jeans.
I don’t agree with this at all.
what...not even a tiny bit?
I:M into suit .. so is not dead
The guys who want the suit to die are the ones who could only wear t-shirts, cargo pants and flip-flops in college and watched cartoons until age 30. Reports of the demise of the suit are greatly exaggerated. Superior style will always draw. The post-Covid hangover won't last forever.
I mean really? This is ridiculous . The first rule of fight club is…
In addition a straight man of good taste never wares pinky finger rings. That is a sign of effemination.
Wear a suit and you look great. Just ask almost any woman her opinion on this. Pick blue or gray, white shirt or blue shirt, conservative tie, and shine your shoes. Come on guys, you literally can not screw this up! Why in the world are we giving tbis up?
It's ridiculous ..and low class to say that a suit is dead...or that they've been "replaced" or any of that nonsense. I'm an American, born and bred....and you might teach that American fellow on the left to go get himself a suit and a shave. If he came to work in my office, he'd either be Tfired...or sent to the company psychiatrist. You at Rampley should teach him propriety and dignity, of which he is obviously incognizant. Modoo is a bit more intelligent....but he, too..needs to learn some propriety and aplomb.
do not forget about your followers of colour
I'd love to know what kind of sports you can do while wearing a "sports jacket"... parlour games, pigeon shooting or maybe an afternoon horse ride? :) Obviously this garment is on the formal side of the spectrum and you'll be overdressed in most everyday situations while wearing one. I don't think the full suit is dead but it's not something most people wear outside the social settings that require it. In the past the popularity of the suit was artificially inflated by strict workplace dress codes.
An American talking about sartorial elegance 🤣🤣🤣
😉
Yep. America has provided many sartorial heros…JFK, Fred Astaire, Richard Merkin, Ralph Lauren. And Austin.
@@chrismodoo6563 🤣
@@chrismodoo6563 I notice you didn't include Trump in that list 🤣🤣. He obviously buys off the peg suits... unfortunately, it's someone else's peg 🤣🤣
@@chrismodoo6563Your style of dress is far superior and elegant to your colleague in the video. Your attention to detail is impeccable.
If you decide to ware a double cuff shirt make sure your cufflinks are not to be the center of attention. Also remember the advise of our grandfathers. When you ware cufflinks you do not ware a wrist watch but a pocket watch made of the same metal and color as the cufflnks. A tie clip and cufflinks as part of the same set gives the impression of overdressing and lack of sprezatura. Your dressing is not your main attraction. Your behaviour, knowledge of your own value and ultimatelly the way you have furnished and nurished your brain and soul since the beggining of your time on this planet. Make sure you do not become just a moving ignorant body hunger of your Brioni as Gates, Soros, Scwab and other globofascist lunatics of our times. A life of plenty without grace and humbleness and care for the needs of your less fortunate fellow man is not worth living. Always target to become a harmonious rennessance men. Fassion of good taste will fall in place as natural and wellcoming as rain on a torrid day. We are what we chose to be. The true valuable men would always work on developing themselves from inside out. A suit is just your armor. Make sire does not cover an empty shell.
Calm down. LOL!
A watch is not to be warned if you use a double calf shirt. Even worse when porting a watch with metalic band vey low on your wrist just to show it off as is the case of the gentlemen in the blue jacket. Are you american sir? Lol
Men dress like children. It's creepy
Suits are outdated, and appear to be moving towards relics, thankfully. Having to look like a corporate monkey should be optional, and definitely not an enforceable rule. They’re impractical and an overall pain in the ass to maintain-and even while wearing, it’s a continuous concern that it’ll get stained. Why people wear them beyond a funeral still is beyond me 😂
Enjoy your hoodie Mr. Zuckerberg.
@@JackSmith-qi7dr Pfft acting like you don’t own one
A good solid suit - either navy or charcoal - with a white or blue dress shirt and a conservative tie, and shined shoes is the absolutely easiest way for a man to dress. No fuss, no muss. And if it fits properly and is of good quality - both fabric and tailoring - it should feel like a track suit. And just ask any woman what she thinks about a man in a suit and shined shoes . . . . Why men are moving away from the simplest way to get things right is beyond me.