Garbage Vs Gravel Bike | How Does Our Cheap Gravel Bike Compare?

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  • Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
  • It's time to put Jon's garbage to gravel bike conversion to the test! How does this cheap vintage upgrade compare to Ollie's top of the range carbon gravel bike? Chris is here to find out!
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  • @ronbyers9912
    @ronbyers9912 4 роки тому +410

    "I have had a huge amount of fun." Well, there you have it. The best test of all. It really isn't the Km per hour it is smiles per hour.

    • @kikoescora1522
      @kikoescora1522 4 роки тому +2

      Ron Byers smiles for miles

    • @leonwrede9213
      @leonwrede9213 4 роки тому +3

      Smile! Smile! Smile!

    • @ronbyers9912
      @ronbyers9912 4 роки тому +5

      @@kikoescora1522 I know but GCN is based in Great Britain. They and a lot of their followers don't want to hear about Imperial measurements.

    • @dannyhanny1191
      @dannyhanny1191 4 роки тому

      Well stated to both of you.

    • @benfairbrother2458
      @benfairbrother2458 4 роки тому +1

      So basically mtb is better than road

  • @calvinjonesyoutube
    @calvinjonesyoutube 4 роки тому +597

    I know this is heresy but i think it just shows getting out on a bike is what we all need to do if we want to enjoy ourselves. Spending thousands of pounds to impress people or be slightly faster even though we arent racing is an optional insanity.

    • @nt2883
      @nt2883 4 роки тому +31

      Exactly! The vast majority of us aren't competing so what does it really matter if you have a ten thousand dollar carbon weapon or a second hand steel relic. Just ride what you have and be better for the experience

    • @wallace8637
      @wallace8637 4 роки тому +2

      I dont want to impress people. I just want to ride a 1x bike just for simplicity, I hate front gears . But expensive as hell in my country. Probably I bury money just to be happy.

    • @Munkenba
      @Munkenba 4 роки тому +14

      You're right, my usual ride these days is a few laps around Richmond Park. It's a mecca for cyclists, so all the London accountants and their divorce lawyers are there hauling ass on Carbon race machines. They do make an awesome sound as they go past, but I really can't average half their speed on my 1982 Peugeot. after all though, it's enough that I can find the time to even go out at all.

    • @HOllyBOni
      @HOllyBOni 4 роки тому +6

      I mostly ride alone and I don't care about going fast (I have a modern steel bike). However, I like how a bike with a slightly lighter wheelset feels, or how a new mid level groupset works etc. So I will save up for a bike that costs ~1500 pounds, because it will probably give me a more enjoyable, better experience. I know that in today's world 1500 isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things (sadly). Modern, low level groupsets work great, and I know you can buy a good used bike for 300 pounds and have fun on it, and if you take care of it it will last you a good while. However, there are people that like to spend a bit more money on a bike, not because they want to go faster or because they want to impress other people.
      But really, if you can easily spend 3-4-5 grand on a bike, and you want to spend that much just because you want to impress other people or be 2 seconds faster, then go do it, I don't care. It's your money. 🙃

    • @tomkunich9401
      @tomkunich9401 4 роки тому +11

      Cantilever brakes never cut it. V-brakes set up properly are as good or better than disks and are a lot harder to lock up on tricky traction.

  • @pacocinco
    @pacocinco 4 роки тому +209

    These "modern vs garbage" tests are somewhat counter-productive.
    You don't build a bike like the saracen to be as good as a modern equivalent, you build a bike like the saracen because it's what you have and you enjoy making a project out of it, with the end result being greater than the sum of its parts.
    I understand that y'all at GCN are trying to integrate the whole "DIY" bit with your "which bike is best bike because numbers", but I think it would be more effective to keep those two things separate.
    In my opinion, the people who would buy a Canyon Grail SLX are not the type of people who would build up an old mtb for budget gravel grinding, and the inverse is also true.

    • @dannyhanny1191
      @dannyhanny1191 4 роки тому +19

      I believe I disagree. GCN has gone far too overboard with showing us the latest, greatest bikes that 90% of us won't buy. So much so that, only recently, I started skipping some of their bike features. Enough was enough. Cycling, as a past-time, and enjoyable healthy activity, is so much simpler than what GCN's message was becoming. This effort went a long way toward redeeming GCN as being cyclists instead of corporate shills.

    • @Cal94
      @Cal94 4 роки тому +5

      I mean some guys are tinkerers as well as daredevils. And a lot of guys won't ride their $5-10k bike for commuting, but refuse to ride any old scrap heap... It's gotta be their scrap heap...
      ...I may be talking from experience... Lol

    • @georgealessi1191
      @georgealessi1191 4 роки тому +8

      I agree. At the very least show an entry level gravel bike, compared the 'garbage' bike.

    • @Galactico42
      @Galactico42 4 роки тому +3

      I would have preferred a comparison to a budget gravel bike. I'm currently debating spending about $1500 US on an adventure bike, or using that money for a conversion of a 90s frame I have.

    • @neft16
      @neft16 4 роки тому +8

      Disagree. I think these reviews do a great service for the low-cost low-tech DIY bikes. A naive consumer often assumes something like "Twice as expensive means twice as good, surely!" but in practice its like "Twice as expensive, 2% better". This shows that.

  • @fj400007
    @fj400007 4 роки тому +376

    All things considered, I think the garage bike is a better gravel bike.

    • @joachimmacdonald2702
      @joachimmacdonald2702 4 роки тому +24

      It’s got proper sized tyres for one thing - just looks more fun

    • @dashpash
      @dashpash 4 роки тому +26

      Yeah. See so much canyon here, feels like a sponsored sham. I’m not a huge fan of the direct to consumer thing.

    • @limyohwan
      @limyohwan 4 роки тому +21

      @@dashpash we've become those people who watch infomercials in the middle of the night :D

    • @fj400007
      @fj400007 4 роки тому +23

      @@joachimmacdonald2702 definitely looks way more fun... to me anyway, an allroad or gravel bike should be orientated toward adventure and all day in the saddle
      comfort... that Canyon looks cool and racy but too expensive to have fun beating on it.

    • @Infinity9_
      @Infinity9_ 4 роки тому +3

      Garage?

  • @fuckelonmusk
    @fuckelonmusk 4 роки тому +202

    Now factor in the amount of time you have to work, to get the money for the grail. Get on your old bike and enjoy "the outside" :) the bike does not matter, what matters is what you do with it.

    • @ColonelBummleigh
      @ColonelBummleigh 4 роки тому

      Agreed.

    • @ohshitnotanotherknob
      @ohshitnotanotherknob 4 роки тому +5

      Even ongoing maintenance is going to be 10% of the Grail, that's a super nice from me.

    • @Shellewell
      @Shellewell 4 роки тому +1

      Especially on a gravel bike, which is always going to value fun over out and out speed.

    • @billinhouston3291
      @billinhouston3291 4 роки тому

      Sarazen is also much less likely to get stolen.

    • @dannyhanny1191
      @dannyhanny1191 4 роки тому +2

      It may not matter to someone who bought a garage-sale bike, but for a bike that some of us have owned, and ridden many miles/adventures on, it can give an old frame a new direction. There's that connection that I assure you is worth it to some of us.

  • @cooltiques
    @cooltiques 4 роки тому +231

    What a strange way to end Jons excellent series...would it not have been more enjoyable to just take it out on a decent gravel ride and enjoy it for what it is. That's what I wanted to see at least.

    • @TheSystemActive
      @TheSystemActive 4 роки тому +11

      I absolutely agree with this

    • @CP-215
      @CP-215 4 роки тому +13

      Totally agree, who exactly do all these numbers and comparisons pertain to? I’m more interested in a build and ride after, rather than trying to be sold on an overpriced bike that’s only slightly faster by the numbers

    • @cooltiques
      @cooltiques 4 роки тому +4

      Maybe we'll see it again on GCN Tech :)

    • @jonthedoors
      @jonthedoors 4 роки тому +18

      Glad its not just me. The video seemed like a rushed cop out. Pretty disappointing.
      "Ah guys we need to do that gravel bike comparison video..."
      "Ah just take it up that farm road and back down. That'll do it"

    • @rob-c.
      @rob-c. 4 роки тому +7

      jonthedoors so rushed, they couldn’t grab hold of a spare set of pedals or a spare wahoo mount 🤦‍♂️

  • @limyohwan
    @limyohwan 4 роки тому +222

    Garbage?:( Jon worked hard at it!

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 4 роки тому +4

      limyohwan garbage is a nickname

    • @dannyhanny1191
      @dannyhanny1191 4 роки тому +3

      All I can say is "Thank GOODNESS somebody confiscated Jon's paint cans," lol. He did a great job one the bike - leave the painting, even the 'garbage bike' painting, to someone else after his last few attempts. :-)

  • @Choedron
    @Choedron 4 роки тому +34

    In perspective that are some expensive 6 sec. I know which I would choose - garbage. And the satisfaction, of having assembled and fixed ones own bike, adds to the picture. You know exactly how everything is put together.

  • @sikeresenangolul
    @sikeresenangolul 4 роки тому +211

    So the Grail is altogether ~3% faster than the "Garbage Bike". What is the price difference? 3000%? :)

    • @joelhenderson3723
      @joelhenderson3723 4 роки тому +9

      Not enough to be worthwhile for most of us, obviously. But that is a pretty massive difference if you're a racer.

    • @WheelersAtLarge
      @WheelersAtLarge 4 роки тому +17

      @@joelhenderson3723 so train on the garbage bike and blow everyone away on your fast bike 💪😂

    • @joelhenderson3723
      @joelhenderson3723 4 роки тому +13

      @@WheelersAtLarge Nah. I'm not a racer, so I don't have the fast bike. I'll train on the garbage bike and still blow you away on it XD

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 4 роки тому

      Joel Henderson racers don’t use garbage so it wasn’t for them in the first place

    • @MorganBrown
      @MorganBrown 4 роки тому +2

      Canyons are cheap for carbon bikes. And the garbage bike conversion won’t cost nothing. I spent $250 converting a hybrid into a gravel bike and I used pretty low end components. In the end, I sold my gravel bike for $125...and I’ll probably buy a canyon. Garbage in, garbage out

  • @kevinbowe
    @kevinbowe 4 роки тому +13

    I think the Garbage Bike is rather sharp looking! I have a 1991 Schwinn Highplains that I'm fired up about doing the same thing to.
    Big thanks to Jon, Chris and Ollie for this presentation! You guys ROCK!

  • @stevemoon2136
    @stevemoon2136 4 роки тому +143

    So a £4,000 bike is better than one from the local council dump... Thanks, GCN!

  • @Thetoad738
    @Thetoad738 4 роки тому +1

    Shocker! We had just as much fun back in the 80s with our steel bikes with downtube shifters as you are now. Cycling isnt about tech. It's about getting outdoors and enjoying nature. Kudos to the person who can enjoy the sport without spending thousands.

  • @philt6725
    @philt6725 4 роки тому +6

    Top tip, keep flat bars on it so you have more control off road. I just been bike packing on a 30 year old stumpjumper and I loved every minute of riding it.

  • @Mantis858585
    @Mantis858585 2 роки тому +2

    For a daily commute that involves a bit of gravel, asphalt, and single track I believe the old gravel bike wins. The Grail is an awesome racing gravel bike but would be stolen quickly if left unattended. Plus I believe the old steel frame would be a bit more comfortable. Thx for the video.

  • @MrKruucks
    @MrKruucks 4 роки тому +146

    Should have included cost comparison for the challenge.

    • @Goriaas
      @Goriaas 4 роки тому +23

      Canyon wouldn't have let that happen

    • @Dantick09
      @Dantick09 4 роки тому +23

      @@Goriaas That would have pissed off their corporate sponsor overlords,They don't want you to know the bike that is over 15 times more expensive only goes like 3% faster lol

    • @wren7336
      @wren7336 4 роки тому +7

      I would also like to know the expected maintenance costs for the next 3 years or 10,000 kms or something. Disc brakes are great if your competing, but cost more to faff with... And then when you factor in depreciation... yeah no thanks.

    • @wtfiswiththosehandles
      @wtfiswiththosehandles 4 роки тому +4

      That wouldn't make much sense, they used ridiculously expensive GRX derailleur, whereas in real world for a bike like that you would use Sora shifters with Acera or Alivio derailleur.

    • @chrisko6439
      @chrisko6439 4 роки тому

      @@wtfiswiththosehandles so true. a rear mech more expensive than the frame...

  • @BikeItUK
    @BikeItUK 4 роки тому +22

    Great to see the gravel build getting put through its paces. Also refreshing to see an honest result of the ride. I build many Retro Road Bikes. No better way to Cycle and Recycle ♻️ plus have fun and satisfaction along the way. Inspirational guys as always thanks for an entertaining and we’ll put together video 👍 All the best Andy

  • @somewhatfrog
    @somewhatfrog 4 роки тому +24

    this so called "garbage" bike has ten times of style to a "gravel" one

  • @jonglass
    @jonglass 4 роки тому +45

    I think Si needs to take the garbage bike to Iceland for a couple days of self-supported gravel riding. :-)

    • @gcn
      @gcn  4 роки тому +6

      We'd love to see that!

  • @FriendlyFarmMachineryToolCpBel
    @FriendlyFarmMachineryToolCpBel 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for showing us all just how much fun an old bike can be, or a new bike!!

    • @gcn
      @gcn  4 роки тому

      Hell yes!

  • @willemjohannes9007
    @willemjohannes9007 3 роки тому +1

    I love gravel restoration builds! Such a great and cost-effective way to add a really versatile machine to your quiver - not to mention a gratifying project,

  • @Tentenszx
    @Tentenszx 3 роки тому +2

    That trash you've said was actually one of my main bike 😂 Not the exact same bike but the build. But it was from a vintage mtb that converted to gravel

  • @shaungreen6967
    @shaungreen6967 4 роки тому +1

    Good video, literally just taken my old GT Talera MTB from the 90s off the garage wall to give to my brother-in-law as a short range commuter. I last used it about 5 or 6 years ago as a pit bike in my early cross races, still a good old work horse. If people have these old machines hanging around, might be time to get them out for some fun!

  • @decentdiversions
    @decentdiversions 4 роки тому +1

    I have a 1993 Rockhopper that I did the same thing to. 1x10 dropbar. Loads of fun! Also have an old Bianchi MTB converted to ss winter bike.

  • @mallardc6049
    @mallardc6049 4 місяці тому

    Loved this content. Down to earth and accessible to all. That’s what cycling has been for decades and it’s only in the last decade that the costs to access the sport have risen… it’s about getting out there and having some fun… filling your lungs with a bit of life! Enjoy your cycling

  • @evanmacdougall9715
    @evanmacdougall9715 4 роки тому +1

    This stuff is great. What I'd like to see, now, is a garbage bike build competition. Kind of like Top Gear. John, Dan, Ollie, and James all get a budget of $300 to buy a frame and all the components. They build their bike and then in the finale have a race! It'll be great fun! And maybe they can get The Stig to test race each one around a track circuit. :-D

  • @hugobci
    @hugobci 4 роки тому +8

    One is an amazing bike assemble by Jon, the other is just a grail. I pick the first everytime.

  • @jacobmarx8184
    @jacobmarx8184 4 роки тому +3

    I hope Opie got his own gravel bike for father's Day. Everyone has that one mate who is always borrowing your stuff.

  • @carlhansen9512
    @carlhansen9512 4 роки тому +2

    Great series. I was inspired to build up my own garbage gravel bike with an old MTB I had laying around. Spent about $200 all told, and have a pretty unique and fun bike to ride. It really opens up the options while out riding around. I have to wonder though how it would compare to a cheap store bought gravel bike. THAT would be a great comparison....$300-$500 gravel bike vs. garbage gravel bike.

  • @kuzkuz3959
    @kuzkuz3959 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this presentation. Well done.

  • @christopheracat7089
    @christopheracat7089 3 роки тому

    excellent comparison which is fun to watch and discover. It's more realistic than always reading famous magazines that tell "positive nonsense" to please the brands that pay to have an advertising page in the same "famous" bicycle magazine ... Thank you very much!

  • @davidide1525
    @davidide1525 4 роки тому

    I could see the effect of the Grails odd handlebar taking the bumps, ( looked quite good), even if I don’t like the “look”.
    Nice job with the build Jon. Fun video.

  • @92hbhb
    @92hbhb 4 роки тому +5

    That's it, gonna convert my 2 Fuji hybrid bikes into gravel bikes. Needing a winter project..

    • @gcn
      @gcn  4 роки тому +1

      Ooh yes!

  • @willstonvelo8100
    @willstonvelo8100 3 роки тому +3

    Steel everytime, I'm still riding my 30 year old Roberts white spider

  • @brandonnorviel512
    @brandonnorviel512 2 роки тому

    I like how many of your videos show how a person can get into cycling on the cheap

  • @GeekonaBike
    @GeekonaBike 4 роки тому +7

    That what I luv about cantis, they don't slow you down much at all ; -)

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 4 роки тому

      Not if you dont know how to set them up or use them properly!
      There is something called leverage and cable geometry, pad compounds and rim maintenance. That makes all the difference, along with knowing what front brakes are used for!
      I can make decent quality cantis work nearly as effectively as discs in dry weather. My bad weather fixed gear ‘cross bike has old XTR cantis. I use this bike in the nastiest and muddiest of conditions.

  • @kogcyc
    @kogcyc 4 роки тому

    A nice wrap-up report for this project. I admire GCN for focusing on re-use.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  4 роки тому

      Thanks Matthew, we're into it too!

  • @thomasoei7089
    @thomasoei7089 4 роки тому +3

    Wonderful video! Only six seconds difference between a full carbon and a CR-MO bike. Truly a testament to Jon's mad mechanical skills. In addition, the steel bike can be repaired in the event of minor structural damage. That would be much harder to do with the carbon fiber bike.

    • @MrGallade475
      @MrGallade475 4 роки тому

      I like steel a lot but Carbon fiber is actually remarkably easy to repair in the right hands.

  • @petinka721
    @petinka721 4 роки тому

    Perfect! Jon's bike still going strong!

  • @popcopone5172
    @popcopone5172 6 місяців тому

    90's mtbs are so good and underrated. i love them

  • @kwtnbe
    @kwtnbe 4 роки тому +16

    Monstercross bikes are hella fun to ride. Seriously, if you can't have fun on this type of bike, then there's something wrong with you.

  • @jenmac287
    @jenmac287 4 роки тому

    My current gravel bike is a drop bar conversation 1994 rockadile and i love it 1.75 tires bar end shifter thing is bombproof

  • @darrinkulyk9560
    @darrinkulyk9560 2 роки тому

    I Have a Mid 90s StumpJumper Im Converting Will be Awesome . Excellent Vid 😎 Thanks

  • @stevenagy7152
    @stevenagy7152 4 роки тому

    Fun video and no worries about me driving up the cost of vintage parts, you can have my “we’ll stop when damn good and ready to” cantilever brakes and lump o’ brick vintage saddle all day and every day.

  • @shanesejones8490
    @shanesejones8490 4 роки тому

    I’m actually in the process of doing this with a 2018 ultegra groupset. Gonna be EPIC when it’s done!!

  • @PoliticusRex632
    @PoliticusRex632 4 роки тому +12

    You'd be crazy to ride Texas gravel on a carbon bike. The gravel is the size of golf balls. I skitch on my fat bike.

  • @Jimmmmmmmy
    @Jimmmmmmmy 4 роки тому +20

    I feel like this comparison should have been a bit longer. I would have preferred to see a longer with power data and more talk about relative comfort.

    • @adaycj
      @adaycj 4 роки тому

      Yes. GCN has done lots of videos with power data, so they know how to do it. I suspect the video was short, and even then it included the fluff of the wheel swap, because the "garbage" bike was actually way to close to the expensive carbon thing. Fix the contact points for user preference, and it comes down to aero and weight. For an average Joe the areo and weight aren't going to matter much. An average racer might care, but there is a lot of mid price bikes that would make a better comparison anyway. I will admit the canti brakes suck, and I'd pay good money to ditch them on my homemade bike if the retrofit was reasonably possible.

    • @alfonsolizarazo9806
      @alfonsolizarazo9806 4 роки тому

      yeah, like a 6hr gravel race

  • @oftankoftan
    @oftankoftan 4 роки тому

    He changed the front cable stop! I really like that frankenstein solution he first had on.

  • @michaeltillman886
    @michaeltillman886 4 роки тому +1

    That was great. I've been thinking of doing the same thing. I'm way too old to even think about riding like that at 68. But, I think I can have a lot of fun if I can stay in my lane and leave you young folks alone. All I Can say is enjoy your youth, because when it's gone it's gone. Peace my friend.

    • @IsmaelChamu
      @IsmaelChamu 4 роки тому

      Thankyou for these words, really puts things in perspective. Hope you're well!

    • @michaeltillman886
      @michaeltillman886 4 роки тому

      @@IsmaelChamu I'm fine my friend. How about your self? I am really going to get a bike. But this time I'm more incline to let someone buy instead of chasing them down and passing them. You know what I mean; wave as they ride pass me!

  • @chrisko6439
    @chrisko6439 4 роки тому +18

    If the big tyres feel bumpy, you probably got to much pressure in there?!

    • @DilbertMuc
      @DilbertMuc 4 роки тому

      Yep, I guess Simon as a roady lowered the pressure from 8bar down to 5bar, since it is an MTB gravel cross. Or so he probably did... :D)))))

  • @maxmuenchow
    @maxmuenchow 4 роки тому +1

    I would suggest putting the GoPro to 1440p@60 and the fov to superview. It makes it use the entire sensor and looks even better.
    Great Video.

  • @dhrumil_108
    @dhrumil_108 4 роки тому +1

    I have a hybrid which is my first bike which I brought with my own money, I am planning to upgrade it into a mountain bike 😅. , It has 650b Tyre size currently so lets see. nice video guys keep it up ✌️.

  • @WheelersAtLarge
    @WheelersAtLarge 4 роки тому

    Falcon Cycles Xenon 26inch MTB to 650bx1.9 gravel bike with cheap carbon fork, Ritchie Venture Max bars, 1x10 Tiagra, 42t x 11-40, Gravel king SK, Ergon seat, WTB i25 rims and great fun 👌 only downside was needing a riser stem to get the geometry right so bar bag to cover that up 😁

  • @TheGizmoGarage
    @TheGizmoGarage 3 роки тому +2

    You guys forget one important test: the theftibility test. Simply lock those bikes for a few days outside in NYC, see which one lasts to the end of the test. This, to me, is the most important, not the 10 to 20 seconds difference

    • @jendabekCZ
      @jendabekCZ 3 роки тому

      Agree, it is a big factor for those who use gravel bikes for commuting.

  • @joachimmacdonald2702
    @joachimmacdonald2702 4 роки тому +16

    Bloody hell what kind of ridiculous pressure where you running those tyres at?! I wouldn’t put em over 30!

    • @HOllyBOni
      @HOllyBOni 4 роки тому +22

      I cringed at the part when he said that the tyres on the MTB felt "balloony and bumpy" and that the lower volume tyres on the Grail will hopefully "stick to the ground better". I'm not trying to be an annoying smartass, but seriously, what the hell???

    • @jonnythelegs2597
      @jonnythelegs2597 4 роки тому +6

      @@HOllyBOni this old school roadie talk where any tyre over 33mm is obscene craziness.

  • @testizoizo7373
    @testizoizo7373 4 роки тому

    Nice video, it show you can enjoy bike with a low budget !

  • @mikefule330
    @mikefule330 4 роки тому +1

    So on the ascent and descent, the second run was quicker. It was obvious from the video that you took a different line up the ascent on the second run, avoiding some of the rougher patches. That aside, "lighter bike goes up hill faster; heavier bike goes down hill faster" is an astounding insight! :) I own a 2x10 gravel bike but took off the knobbled tyres and put on 28mm road tyres. I find that on dry surfaces, knobbles add no benefit, and on mud and wet clay, they clog up quickly. I also have a fixed wheel road bike with 25mm road tyres. I find I have at least as much fun riding the fixed on gravel within its limits. Yes, it is more limited, but that just means I don't have to go searching for challenging terrain when I only have time for a short ride. When I was a kid, it wasn't called "gravel biking" - it was called, "going out on your bike."

  • @kevinbowe
    @kevinbowe 4 роки тому

    Another Great Video!
    Watching this caused me to think of a new completion: Flat Out!
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    The contestants sprint to a designated location, do a simulated 'flat-tire' repair, and sprint to the finish line.
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    This could be open to GCN, GMBN, EMBN and GTN contestants. ( Don't forget the non-english channels!).

  • @brakesmadly
    @brakesmadly 4 роки тому +10

    Thank goodness you ditched that obscene front brake set up you originally tried!

  • @paulmcleod2547
    @paulmcleod2547 3 роки тому

    I happen to have my old hybrid from the 90s, which might become a project following this.

  • @rajarahman2655
    @rajarahman2655 4 роки тому +1

    Nice video. Me personally, me thinks the reviewer is making sure the modern bike looks more appealing or maybe more of a better choice on gravel. People. DO NOT FALL INTO THE HYPE AND MARKETING TRAP. If you’re good at tinkering and making things up from your spare parts bin and then like testing your creation, then make one up. My winter bike bike is a Raleigh Shopper with drops, Sturmey gears, Brooks on springs, Schwalbe 20” marathon plus, modified rack. Brilliant at what does, when the weather is bad. . The bike you have, shouldn’t stop you going out and having a go on gravel. Everyday, bike commuters will at some point in their journey, ride on gravel anyway. So people, just enjoy the activity of riding and VIBRATE ON THE SADDLE.

  • @dingane
    @dingane 4 роки тому +5

    In the real world you need to ride it all day not just for a couple of minutes. And also how it performs on the road is also important for real world gravel riding, certainly in Europe, where we don't have endless dirt roads like they do in the US.

  • @BruceChastain
    @BruceChastain 4 роки тому

    such a cool build, I'm totally inspired to build one now.

    • @gcn
      @gcn  4 роки тому +1

      YES! Show us how you get on!

  • @ting280
    @ting280 4 роки тому +4

    equal tire pressure, equal start and a 36t would bring the climb gap down by a lot.

  • @TboneTenEighties
    @TboneTenEighties 4 роки тому +2

    That seat post LOL

  • @BornPedalling
    @BornPedalling 4 роки тому

    I was running my Bontrager set up pretty much the same as that Saracen back in the 90's

  • @AaronGoodTimes
    @AaronGoodTimes 4 роки тому

    A great conclusion to this part of the bike tech story.

  • @katilynalmeida4194
    @katilynalmeida4194 4 роки тому +2

    Having a new bike is great and all if someone can afford it but if not, a decent used bike is more than good enough to complete any tasks at hand. In my opinion the pricey new bikes aren't worth the $1000-4000 price range for saving at best a few minutes. I'm still riding my 2009 Trek 820 mountain bike and it has served me well from roads, commutes, trails.

  • @spocksleftball
    @spocksleftball 4 роки тому +2

    The garbage bike looks brilliant! Oh, the other one nice too...

  • @cyclenutter2715
    @cyclenutter2715 4 роки тому +5

    wow nice video GCN!! Wish my videos where this good😕

    • @grahamheddle3100
      @grahamheddle3100 4 роки тому +4

      Cycle Nutter checked out your channel, I like it!

  • @amfearliathmor8213
    @amfearliathmor8213 4 роки тому +9

    £4000 bicycle v £400 bicycle. But which one is tougher and more durable and easier to maintain?

    • @juanmanuelvazquezrosales3840
      @juanmanuelvazquezrosales3840 3 роки тому

      take a look at my bike ua-cam.com/video/Yne27ZV9k7M/v-deo.html it certainly takes 20 times less money to maintain than those $4000 bikes

  • @CeresOutpost
    @CeresOutpost 2 роки тому

    I'm a mountain biker and new XC racer who became gravel-curious thanks to guided rides on my NordicTrack S22i. I can't get past how expensive entry-level gravel bikes are (~3000 USD) and I haven't been able to even come close to justifying the cost. The idea of buying an old MTB and converting it to a decent gravel bike for around $1000 sounds like lot more fun than spending $3,000-10,000 on a dedicated gravel bike.

  • @dazzasp3
    @dazzasp3 4 роки тому

    Good on the saracen 👍

  • @rudyelizondo1935
    @rudyelizondo1935 4 роки тому +1

    Nice work but factors left out are the wattage it takes to ride the bike up n down the hill etc.. also what size tires n make too. Otherwise good idea on reuse of a good bike. Great budget bike to get going on and enjoy for years to come.

  • @rolfaalto
    @rolfaalto 2 роки тому +1

    What about a non-garbage 90's hard-tail?! I nabbed a Bontrager TiLite. Disc up front, but quality cants are fine for the rear. Featherlight 28mm SID Race Titanium shock with amazing lockout -- climbs like a coked squirrel, descends like an XC bike (though only 80mm travel, so you can't catch massive air), weighs

  • @drewstreet4178
    @drewstreet4178 Рік тому +1

    Exactly what I'll be doing soon, I have a late 90s early 2000s(not sure exact date) yellow aluminium GT Tempest, I've got wheels with the 11 speed compatible hg freehub and some semi slick gravel tyres, gonna get either a 2x11 microshift centos groupset or a used Claris 2x8 not sure and canti brakes and drops obviously

  • @martinmalloy5997
    @martinmalloy5997 4 роки тому

    Shared in my Facebook group Budget Cyclist 😁

  • @Jake-hb4bd
    @Jake-hb4bd 4 роки тому

    I found my bike in a dumpster about a year ago. Took it and fixed it up and still riding it today.

  • @adaycj
    @adaycj 4 роки тому +7

    You incessantly call that bike garbage. It is on the wrong side of an ocean for me, but let me know if you want to get rid of it. I'll ride that thing. I ride a very similar bike that is setup single speed. As far as the hill climb, if you are calling those tires "bouncy" on all the cobble you don't have your tire pressures right. When you try the test with lower pressures, post them along with average watts from a set of power pedals. Your hill climb will be closer than you think. You are a rodie (with respect), so it is no surprise you aren't as efficient on a mountain frame (even with old geo).

  • @tomrachellesfirstdance7843
    @tomrachellesfirstdance7843 4 роки тому +19

    Those bars on the canyon is something I hope never catches on do not like it at all.

    • @WheelersAtLarge
      @WheelersAtLarge 4 роки тому +1

      They don't look very compliant in the drops, and proprietary of course so that's a big negative. I've changed the bars on every bike I've ever had so as good a bike as it might be that rules a Grail out for me.

  • @Anirossa
    @Anirossa Рік тому

    It's like old cars, not about effiecency nor speed, just purely about the enjoyment you get between your A and B.

  • @bugboy152000
    @bugboy152000 4 роки тому +4

    #GCNTech #GCN perhaps the “garbage” bike would be better served with some flat bars and labeled as a commuter? It’s still an amazing transformation and great example of recycling.

  • @vernefits1953
    @vernefits1953 4 роки тому +1

    awesome tires

  • @jamesharoldbardwell2182
    @jamesharoldbardwell2182 4 роки тому +4

    I would have liked to have seen a comparison between the saracen garbage bike and a something more comparable like a modern version like a surly crossxcheck.

    • @aybee69
      @aybee69 4 роки тому +1

      Exactly! Just picked up a Crosscheck frame to do a similar comparison to a (few) 90's steel hybrids as well as my drop bar 26er.

  • @jazzechos1372
    @jazzechos1372 4 роки тому

    Excellent vid. it does stress the cost variations between thousands of dollars vs a couple of hundred for all of a 6 second difference. The big question for all is how long of a ride would you be on when just going out for a fun ride vs competition ride in terms of personal physical tollerance.

  • @gomezgadgetyeharr9248
    @gomezgadgetyeharr9248 4 роки тому

    Chris I'm calling wattage bazooka on both those efforts sensational video.... I'm going to make me one of those diy gravel bikes

  • @marcelschlebos3975
    @marcelschlebos3975 4 роки тому

    Again a nice comparison video. Question wich type of Vision wheels are in the grail?

  • @thetwowheellifeplus4065
    @thetwowheellifeplus4065 4 роки тому

    Nice video. I thought it was going to be bias, but you kept it very neutral. Great job on that! I want to point out per Canyon website the Grail is $1799us to $6000us depending on the model. The grail looks awesome, but for hodge podge gravel bike with a few hundred dollars. It makes the garbage bike pretty appealing! As long as your out riding. That's the main thing.

  • @mellissanash7517
    @mellissanash7517 4 роки тому

    I just finished building a modern steel gravel bike. Has 29x1.95 Karma MTB tires, which I found for me was the heavy mistake. Next round going true 29x1.9 gravel tires.

  • @ajsaracina8380
    @ajsaracina8380 4 роки тому +1

    Would really love to see a follow up "epic ride" on it, or something of the sort

  • @Velobetty
    @Velobetty 4 роки тому

    It does show that you can get out and have fun on a pretty cheap bike, although the difference over a race (which the Grail is designed for) will be much more profound, I'd say. Chris mentioned the handling of the Grail being much better and that will 100% make a difference during a race. But not having an expensive bike doesn't stop you from getting out there and enjoying riding! 😁

  • @shaunfrost8938
    @shaunfrost8938 4 роки тому

    And whoever donated the bar tape was on the money too. It looks really good

  • @ludwigfischbach8742
    @ludwigfischbach8742 4 роки тому

    Well done! Love to see more contend like this #savethebike #savetheplanet

  • @zukzworld
    @zukzworld 4 роки тому

    I have always been using road cycle, this year the gravel bug bit me and I bought a gravel bike. While the ride on modern day gravel bikes are awesome, the adjustment on hydraulic brakes sucks; literally!
    I am planning to return on gravel on my normal road bike, maybe will swap to a 25mm or 28mm (if possible) tyre on the road bike for little comfort.

  • @BrianWilliamsPhotography
    @BrianWilliamsPhotography 4 роки тому

    One more thing in the wheel take off challenge is I would not put a disc brake bike in a car unless I had put space savers in the brake calipers of the Canyon after I took off the wheels and then to remove them before putting the wheels back on, the cantis do not need something to keep them apart like an empty disc caliper.

  • @Horusfour
    @Horusfour 2 роки тому

    A thumbs up for that beautiful Saracen. That is all.

  • @danielbaumgartner575
    @danielbaumgartner575 3 роки тому

    Really nice DIY Gravel bike! Also would have liked to see the price difference though!! ;)

  • @tomasdecamino8522
    @tomasdecamino8522 4 роки тому +2

    Several things to consider... a $3000 bike will not make you 10 x better than a $300. To do a correct test, you have to do runs, in each bike, independent from one another, that is, you can´t ride one bike and then the other, one rider... you´ll have to do several rides with several different people and get an average... Another thing, in this case it seems the results are more based on the tires you are using than on the bike...

  • @rollinrat4850
    @rollinrat4850 4 роки тому

    Ive been doing this kind of stuff since the 80s. My 1st ‘mtb’ was a modified Schwinn Varsity well before most riders ever heard of a mountain bike. Before that we were riding steel race bikes on tubs, touring bikes and ‘cross bikes all over the Santa Cruz Mountain’s fire roads and trails. “When I was your age” and so forth!
    Underbiking rules! You actually learn how to ride rather than rely on fat tires and suspension. If you really want to expand your abilities and strength try single speeds and fixed gear offroad. That is seriously hardcore fun, More fun than should be legal!!
    Its all about the rider(operator) and his/her attitude, not the bike or ‘stuff’. Remember the words of Eddy Merckx, “Ride up grades, dont buy them”. Words to live by.
    Learn it! Live it!

  • @MrRay645
    @MrRay645 4 роки тому

    My gravel bike does long paved trips, dirt roads, and occasionally some very mellow single track.... if it was dirt and trail only I’d ditch the low sleek bike with its skinny 32-40c tires in a heart beat. Salsa Cutthroat modern off road drop bar bike with proper geo for the job. Weird as “gravel bikes” got more and more popular I guessed they would go more off-road/tuffer but seems like they are getting more and more like road bikes.... crazy low stacks ultra light weight and even aero. The garage bike does look like fun on more nasty dirt roads and rocky trails for sure

  • @alfonsolizarazo9806
    @alfonsolizarazo9806 4 роки тому

    Grab a more suitable saddle and wider bars and it will definitely improve the riding experience, great little project turned out to be!