@@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy I feel like every single Diablo kid grew up knowing it was the best. Then we got D2, even better somehow. Then from there it was a LOT of hopes and dreams that kept falling short. D3 was a HUGE disappointment for me when it launched, then they "fixed" it and it was fun for a while. Then there was a giant gap of nothing that fulfilled it's promise of being better than POE1 or D2. The only one that came close for me was Lost Ark, but once you reached endgame you realized what the game was about. I remember freaking out when I saw those Lineage Eternal videos come out of South Korea and those promises failed as well. Once D4 came out and completely crushed my hopes for a better alternative to POE, I "caved" and went back to POE. Because I came at ARPGs as a Diablo person I saw POE as impossible to play without a guide. BUT this time was different, I had no other games to look forward to, POE was it or I was going back to FPS or fighting or arcade games. I finally sat down and took the time to learn the balance that POE tries to instill. And it all just fell into place. You don't need a guide or a build. You just need to balance and tweak and have fun. Fingers crossed on this one dudes.
This all makes a lot of sense and matches my play style as well. Im looking forward to also playing something like this from someone who has a lot more time than I do to farm the game.
using this on chronomancer + now and again + time snap for reset maybe? you can hit an average of 3.7x and 5.95x (if we slot Second Wind into Time Snap) if we use second wind, thats almost 78x base dmg, or 7800% damage without any modifiers if we hit 5.95x on average. Less of a one-shot build, but this allows you to "spam" the skill more. If we add other scaling, this might go insaneo style
20%cdr would only drop it to 19.2 seconds, thats a big investment for 5 second, so not really worth it, unless they will be really close to path already taken
Do we know exactly (or speculatively) how Ancestral Boost works? Would it make any sense to swap Fist of War with Second Wind? I'm a PoE 1 noob, so take it easy on me, smile.
Think I'm going to try this on blood mage actually. Overflowing life from the first ascendancy point, ES from body armour gained as life, whatever the node leading to that one is, and crit damage based on life. Then when this inevitably get's nerfed I'm not stuck with a titan I don't know what to do with, and can reroll into minions or smth lol. Since you have to path all the way over to the curse node anyways shouldn't be too many points wasted on alternative pathing, just path up from the witch start, maybe pick up a couple of those ES as stun threshold nodes in witch starting area, since I'll be using the ES body armour anyways for the Bloodmage ascendancy. Really just comes down to how easy it is to get crit with the 2h melee, since I'll be banking on the crit damage per 20 life node.
Thoughts about starting Merc instead? Gemling looks really good, being able to stack STR for life and 2H maces while having no gen attribute issues and getting easy +max res seems strong defensively
The start for this build looks rough, assuming that we beeline to the 2H+Shield keystone we might need a LOT of additional str to equip an on-level 2H mace, if so, it might mean taking primarily an attribute highway route from the start. Then grabbing Fire convert keystone and some fire nodes near the highway. Hopefully the full tree gets dropped before launch.
Why not go for all the ignite scaling first and 2 hand without shield until you can get the Giant's Blood? The consequences of dying a little more will be lesser at the beginning anyways.
HotG is a lvl 52 skill and we don’t yet know how to get the remaining 25% of conversion to fire. Safe to say it will have to be a respec late in Cruel or in maps.
I'm assuming you don't rush 2H+shield keystone at first. All the active skills including hammer of the gods do work with one hand maces which should do totally fine. I assume you would switch more late game when you have started to slowly stack strength on your character to sustain the keystone and when you have crafted a busted 2h mace. No need to go for that keystone early. Maybe Conner will give his take on a next video.
I think I'll go Chronomancer for the x3 or x4 hammers, faster clear and more reliable hits. With some luck you can get 5-6 hits in a row sometimes. Will be mad. With chrono you also easily reach 60%+ physical and 45% elemental dmg recoup from a couple of nodes on the tree and the ascendancy. You can also get another 20% aura slow on top of all that. Shield+onehander for clear then pure damage 2 hander for bosses as a swap. Dig into shield/mace nodes for swap only. Rest is strength stack and ignite. Looks pretty sweet -easy access to ignite and recoup nodes from the sorceress starting position too.
I think the "balance" to this better ignite is much weaker ignite proliferation and possibly an inability to push targets into negative resists (not sure if flammability and exposure will be able to, we know penetration won't go below 0). In poe 1 we routinely triggered exposure, elemental EQ + flammability on targets AND we had decently wide AOE ignite prolif as well. Edit: ignite scaling however powerful does miss out on some of the hitscaling though. There are plenty of supportgems to scale the hit itself while simply relying on the exertion from infernal cry to provide a strong "default" ignite. Examples that require "setup" and/or "consume" ailments: Combo finisher, Exploit weakness, Biting frost, Bloodlust (doesn't consume but requires bleeding target), Frostfire is probably the strongest on though with +100% ignite on frozen targes (but won't pair with biting frost since they both consume the freeze). Hourglass is also another 50% one if you don't mind adding even more cooldown to the skill. As a comparison the +75%/-25% supports that buff the ailment but reduce the hit is effectively only a 31.25% increase to the ignite because of the smaller hit it is based (probably still good enough to make the 5-gem lineup in most cases). Getting freeze into the setup might be tricky unless you don't mind weaponswapping to a crossbow with permafrost bolts so I would probably stick to a setup skill that procced heavy stun on the boss and also had the "devastate" support to fully break the armor at the same time which would set up for the "exploit weakness" support on the hammer. I do have a question about "enraged" and "enraging" cry: will those work with only 1 warcry use if you don't already have rage?
you know whats even better about curses? +decaying hex (hexes deal chaos dmg over time) +hinder (chaos damage over time inflicts hinder), if that works, youre literally untouchable at melee unless you go afk in the middle of the fight (and wait like 10 minutes for enemies to close distance)
Ive enjoyed following your advice on Molten strike of the zenith build and had pleanty fun doing it, and ive achived my gool of reaching 1k dlve. Looking forward fore more update and, lets have some fun playiong poe2
check out conc effect and also combo finisher for your HOtG links. Combo finisher could be good if you can reliably build combo points during your hammer cd.
yea I'm curious about combo finisher personally. The only mention of "combo" I've seen are the skills that "finish" it so I assume you can build combo with other attacks just by having a "finisher" slotted. Another interesting interaction would be if you can have a source of freeze in your preparation for the hammer and then use "biting frost" support on HotG to force a crit though without critscaling investment on the tree it is probably more trouble than it's worth.
iirc combo finisher specifies "strikes" which is different from "slams" (hotg is a slam) so combos would be something you use with strike skills. You could probably make something kind of similar to this setup (without the ignite shenanigans) with flicker strike where you build up multiple power charges, debuff the boss, warcry, build up combo and then flicker the boss for giga damage
@@Nuancexd I do wonder about the context of that quote... if I read that correctly then the monks "tempest bell" would be unusable because it "uses" combo to summon yet if you can't generate combo without "using" it how can it activate??? I think there is some confusion there between "combo finisher" and "extended combo"
@@Flakzor123 I’m going to assume that the dev isn’t wrong, and that we just might not have proper gem information for tempest bell, or the combo mentioned by the dev and the combo mentioned on the bell are actually 2 different things. The assumption is that the dev was referring to combo in the use case of building combo on a useless skill to spend on a giga skill.
I didn't see the gem before but now that you point it out, blasphemy seems completely absurd. Might even be best in slot for most builds if it remains unchanged.
The biggest flaw i see so far is build feeling, the attack speed seems like itll be rough when you're swarmed by mobs and potentially getting stunned by hits
@@swootyx Warrior is very tanky in act 1 just by filling your gear slots but end game it will use the Untiring and Aegis setups both to basically be able to AFK when surrounded by monsters
The wording on the Warcry’s is very precise. I don’t think enraged warcry will work on infernal cry as it empowers the next strike. Seismic strike exerts the next strike so I think enraged warcry is intended to partner seismic not infernal.
i was planning around something like this aswell but with chrono to reset its cd or smth like bloodmage for the crit. really need to see full ascendancies first tho
Resetting the cd and scaling hit damage would be a really underwhelming strategy when compared to just scaling the ignite. You can get a lot more bang for your buck scaling a huge ailment rather than scaling a hit on a huge cooldown, even if you’re able to reset that cooldown every ~10s.
I'd prolly go for Blood Magic, and squeeze Life Leech on one of the gem setup somewhere, maybe switching LS setup for something else. Top Ignite wheel seems a lot of investment tho in passive, not sure if it's worth the pathing there instead of bumping weapon/melee/phys damage?
Is Blasphemy intended to by-pass the curse limit? I mean i know you CAN socket multiple curses in it, but wouldn't you just be restricted by the curse aplication limit and be obligated to take +1 curse to fit in both Temp Chains and Enfeeble?
@@garridy2834 Whispers of doom is like 31 or 32 points from startarea just picking direct line notes by the look of it... I am wondering how one can do the shield and ignite notes up to whispering doom ... this POE 2 tree looks so point heavy
Hey Conner, do you think Frostbreath unique could be an option for 1hander or sorc? There are a bunch of nodes/supports that increase ignite or hit on chilled/frozen enemies. I wanted to do something similar but with spells before I saw your video.
Love the look of this. Just hope the socket gems doesn't mean the first gem and that means all gems so blasphemy works the way you said. Def thinking about having a look into this though.
if im not mistaken, in poe2 fire hits have inherent chance to ignite based on their hit damage in relation to enemy's ailment threshold. Hammer of the gods scales a huge initial hit, and can probably grab a bunch of %increased chance to ignite on the tree
@ If it was 25% less ignite damage then I would agree. But this is hit damage which can result in not igniting a boss with a high ailment threshold at all. It slows clear speed too.
Im going for stun buildup via totems into giga hammers (maybe bleed, depends on the % value on the support gem) :) I am hoping the warbringer has some fun nodes to support it
Im gonna go sorcerer that focus on close quarter combat like a rogue and then try to go lightning aura and spec so it does dmg. The thought is a ball of lightning that teleports through the map.
Glad for you man, hope you have a blast with it. I'm gonna go in blind outside of what has been revealed in the announcement and teasers cause it's a fresh game, it looks fun, it's not a 3rd person roleplaying story telling slop and want to have fun like back in the days where you barely knew about the game and learned as you played.
@@coachaslys2175 Well, in my mind we are not missing impactful nodes beacause we are already taking a long path already to get the impactful nodes (how many relevant nodes could there really be?)
Have you thought on using the chronomancer ascendancy to reset the cooldown on Hammer? You can hit with the hammer two times with second wind+hourglass, and reset your cooldowns with the chrono ascendancy and hit two more times again. Dont know with my idea is better, but its just an idea
@@gregd5569 but if you can scale ignite duration to do damage faster you will need a way to apply another ignite faster, especially on bosses with phases.
So far I can only find two skills that use dual wield but people have already said a lot of these skill gems are missing information.. I hope dual wield will work for most warrior skills.
I just wonder How Hammer of Gods scales with dual wielding? ( i know they said some skills gonna hit faster and alternate other gonna combine damage from both weapons but will it count as one combine hit or 2 hits at the same time)
If I recall correctly, Jonathon said he doesn't remember the dot cap in Poe2 in his latest interview in South Korea. This implies that the dot cap is still there. It might be a different number depending on the variable size used to record the dot damage, and it's probably also intertwined with server ticks, etc.
POE2 we have a weapon swap with a whole new passive tree. Just build one tree for HOG and the other for a proper clear skill like Jagged Edge Earthquake, something that can actually clear through a breach/ritual etc.
@@AdskyDimon ah my bad, I thought it was full swap. But I think it's only like 20 points or something after reading now, but you can do whatever you want with those extra points. I'm thinking just use sunder or perfect strike for dual wielding 2h on the swap and alter the tree for clear on those while HOG is down (dual wieldig those skills gives about 40% extra damage as it hits with both weapons). Supercharged and Stampede sound pretty bad, even Conner thinks so 😄
Really want to see if i can do a hammer on a chronurgy sorc, lots of int+mana scaling damage with lighting, herald of thunder converting the physical into the scaled lightning + time snap to do it twice in quick succession and can utilise hourglass support effectively and maybe even second wind for 3 (sexond wind on time snap maybe?). Unsure if possible to scale the damage enough, but might be an incredible allrounder and frees up the powerful spell support gems for clearing Edit: think I read herald of thunder wrong, but with potentially 3 hammers in quick succession I think this can get scaled pretty effectively Edit2: seen avatar of fire (75% of damage as fire, deal no non-fire damage), maybe something similar for lightning? or use avatar of fire on weapon swap passive + other fire scaling passives? feels like sorc can scale its fire damage better
weapon swap passives cannot allocate keystones so if you take avatar of fire you'll have it all the time heralds only convert herald damage and not your own attacks also i think it's important to remember that conversion also works differently in poe2 where if you convert 100% phys into fire, only fire damage will scale the damage and any % physical damage will not work
Resetting the cooldown of the hammer isn’t increasing ignite damage, it would be only a minor damage increase and you would lose all the defensive ascendancy nodes from something like titan.
@@Nuancexd we dont know how much res and hp poe2 bosses have i really doubt we can one tap the bosses without expensive gears investment , time snap would be perfect to insure that we can inflicat another big ignite too mybe even for a 3th time to fenish the boss off
I would assume the game design we were presented so far, is pretty heavily against oneshotting bosses. We've seen hammer gameplay on bosses, and it wasnt doing all that much. We dont know exact links, but Im assuming those were definitely not supportless skills. I feel like with how much different many aspects of the game are from poe1, its not unreasonable to expect bosses to outive the basic math of "bonk stronk many%"
really? you've seen hammer ingite builds fully endgame setup on bosses? if those didnt 1 shot them the other builds must have taken hours to kill the boss
@ obviously not your setup, Im just saying that theory on an unreleased early access game is to be taken with a grain lf salt. We know fractions of what we are told about, and theres much more of what we dont know about. Maybe bosses have a hidden mech to not tale more than 30% life in one hit for all we know.
@@AdskyDimonwhataboutism is completely useless to think about. There is no reason at all not to be planning something based on the information we have, because the alternative is to bumble around on your first character with no synergies. Sure, you can still have fun, but a lot of people won’t have fun playing a super weak character.
As far as I understood the chance to ignite issn't easy, how exactly will you have a 100% chance to ignite? Imagine you hammer a boss and it did not ignite. And again and again. Or did I miss a crucial part of information here?
He explains in the vid but the basics are the bigger the hit the higher the chance to inflict ignite. Since the hits are stupid OP it will be 100% ignite.
how would hammer of the gods work with ancestral totem, will placing the totem and after it casts hammer of the gods, then resummon and replacing the totem bypass the cooldown? I know it works for flamewood totem but I'm not sure if it would work for cooldown skills. if it does its probably broken
would be useless because you can only put one ignite on the enemy. you would also lose a lot of damage from various sources because you wouldnt attack yourself
from the skill tree we do know the ignite and double curse is just too far without sacrificing too much armor and dmg. if we don't get 100sp the build will only be good if we have some nodes closer we don't know yet and might need to sacrifice the double curse. also do we know if melee damage and twohanded dmg will will scale with this id assume so since we use avatar of fire but I'm not sure coz of the change where converted dmg does no longer respect origin? is there anyone with more knowledge to elaborate??
Hey POE vets and @ConnerConverse - I'm really interested in the shield skills, but im Very new to POE and im really excited about this game. I really like skills like D4's barb kick, stomp, charge, and leap. I do have practice with character/stat building from other games (Darktide/Vermintide/Diablo3/4 etc.) im not blind, but I don't do math at your level. My question is - Would a strong shield (shield skill focused) build be possible? I really like the shield counter, charge and the like; Later I want to focus on shield skills with other weapons like the Flail, Axe and Sword. I understand i would probably need a skill like HOTG to back it up though. I appreciate the help anyone can give.
In poe1 there are builds focusing on "shield crush", I'd assume poe2 will bring back some similar skills but it's hard to tell if they have it in the beginning of EA. For now, you can go to poedb 2 to check the leaked skills and search "shield" to see if there's anything you like.
I thought DOTs had an initial hit of 25% in POE2? or was that just poison? I mean its probably still strong even at 1/4th the damage. (I'm sure I heard something on the videos/podcasts or read somewhere that DOT's when applied deal 25% of the hit damage eg. 1000 fire damage - 250 poison damage) If I'm wrong please let me know, thus far I wasn't too sure about a DOT build
It’s 25% of the base damage per second. That’s your BASE before any more/increased multipliers, etc. So with all the multipliers you end up with like 200%+ base damage per second over the entire ignite duration so the total ignite does many times the damage of the initial hit.
@@Nuancexd It is 20% not 25%, taken from Viper's answer in Poe2 Discord. A more realistic estimation would be about 150% original hit damage per second I think. Compared to Poe1 of 90% base damage, ignite in Poe2 is severely weaker unless you can incorporate crit into your build somehow. The inflated numbers really come from Hammer of god and all the warcry + warcry linked support buffs
Wouldn’t this build be somewhat useless on Maven like fights when you have short alternating phases with a “new” enemy on every phase. Seems like you will be able to quickly go through phase one and wait for the cd on the start of every other phase
It’s not really necessary. You’d prefer an ascendancy that gives you more proper defenses, not to mention that chronometer is on the wrong side of the tree for an attack build like this.
@@for_air_drop3440ignite is the ailment triggered by fire damage. It deals fire damage over time. Basically ignite is to fire what poison is to chaos damage, or bleeding is to physical damage.
so as a total new player i see their will be different servers to choose what would you recommend, have been playing new world so hoping some off it will translate cheers
you just choose server location by lowest latency, theres no restriction swapping between them like there would be in a game like WoW. there are different game modes like hardcore and softcore, and later on in the game leagues. just pic the regular Softcore league
30 spirit for 2 curses is 60 base reservation. It’s just a flat amount per curse, then whatever supports are on it may have cost multipliers to that total base.
I was a bit worried about the hammer has 2.5 sec duration, that seem to me as a 2.5 sec delay. And with the long CD, I am thinking about the witch that refresh cd. With more invest into armour life, we should be tanky enough so if a big hit launch on us we can use temp rift to recovery to full like. That's the poe1 ignite build do have some recovery problem
Since i'd expect to see a rare every 2-3 sec in late game, I was thinking to give hammer second wind, and if that cd refresh can give all charge back. Let say the refresh cd has a cd of 8 sec, with a bit cdr invested, every 5-6 sec, we get 2 use of hammer.
there is nothing related between ignite builds and recovery problems aside from i guess if you plan on relying on leech for recovery, which this build will be untiring + aegis on tree for its recovery
@@xingdongjiang1303 a rare every 2-3 seconds in late game would mean in a 5 minute map you fight 100-150 rares. no map in path of exile naturally spawns mroe than 25-30 rares
@@ConnerConverse Im guessing some numbers, for armour w/o flask and determination, we might have 10-20k armour if we invest a bit, that's 100 to 200 ES per block. I guess its ok consider we are forced to use a life flask. For rares, it really depends on how hard t15 is. If its a bit easy for all build can clear, then maybe fresh time to make thing smooth worth the plan. BTW Rain of Arrow also seems way OP.
@@xingdongjiang1303 rain of arrows is not a real gem, anyone who looks at it and thinks its real is not a serious person. 400 arrows at 160% effectiveness is definately placeholder numbers
No shock is a flat 30% in poe2 and harder hits increase this chance. There are both skills and supports that seem to give flat shock chance however so I used both to be safe
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the skill planner is in description but subject to much change
whats the problem you have with archmage? looks pretty deece to me even without EB.
Are u going with Titan ascendancy ?
@@evilme73mana
@@evilme73Increased Mana is almost nonexistent on the tree, apart from int. It will be very difficult to sustain archmage.
No changes please. Ive already imported this into my pre-PoE2-PoB aka: notepad++
honestly cannot remember a single game I've been this excited for to come out
diablo 4 was the last for me..and og how did it make me lose faith in gaming.....im hoping poe2 will change that!
@@ARR0WM4N yup lets hope
sim city 4, yes that was second to last pro-order. the last being PoE2.
Bf2, everquest, poe2 just fills a void that blizzard failed to meet with diablo4
@@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy I feel like every single Diablo kid grew up knowing it was the best. Then we got D2, even better somehow. Then from there it was a LOT of hopes and dreams that kept falling short. D3 was a HUGE disappointment for me when it launched, then they "fixed" it and it was fun for a while. Then there was a giant gap of nothing that fulfilled it's promise of being better than POE1 or D2. The only one that came close for me was Lost Ark, but once you reached endgame you realized what the game was about. I remember freaking out when I saw those Lineage Eternal videos come out of South Korea and those promises failed as well. Once D4 came out and completely crushed my hopes for a better alternative to POE, I "caved" and went back to POE. Because I came at ARPGs as a Diablo person I saw POE as impossible to play without a guide. BUT this time was different, I had no other games to look forward to, POE was it or I was going back to FPS or fighting or arcade games. I finally sat down and took the time to learn the balance that POE tries to instill. And it all just fell into place. You don't need a guide or a build. You just need to balance and tweak and have fun.
Fingers crossed on this one dudes.
The hammer will come straight from chris wilson instead of tukohama
does he even work there anymore?
@@johnturtle6649"work" lol
@@dirtydard4870 FAIR
@@johnturtle6649Yes, still the managing director. Too much paperwork so he can't do fan service anymore on Livestreams
@@henreader717 honestly at this point .. who cares? the entire thing is a joke
if u put your shield in your left hand you can stare at your watch while u wait
would love to see a full build guide for this, later on. :)
The last build from you i followed before the league started, helped me do all content !!🎉🎉🎉 so i belive
This looks awesome and I love how you describe things. Keep us updated! 😁
This all makes a lot of sense and matches my play style as well. Im looking forward to also playing something like this from someone who has a lot more time than I do to farm the game.
using this on chronomancer + now and again + time snap for reset maybe? you can hit an average of 3.7x and 5.95x (if we slot Second Wind into Time Snap)
if we use second wind, thats almost 78x base dmg, or 7800% damage without any modifiers if we hit 5.95x on average. Less of a one-shot build, but this allows you to "spam" the skill more. If we add other scaling, this might go insaneo style
@ConnerConverse 24 second cooldown, are you planning on taking cd reduction nodes in tree?
It would probably be nice for clearing rares, but probably not worth going out of the way for.
20%cdr would only drop it to 19.2 seconds, thats a big investment for 5 second, so not really worth it, unless they will be really close to path already taken
Do we know exactly (or speculatively) how Ancestral Boost works? Would it make any sense to swap Fist of War with Second Wind? I'm a PoE 1 noob, so take it easy on me, smile.
@@XIx_Rapture_xIX exactly no, but we can assume that it works like in poe 1, more aoe and damage, but with nerfed numbers.
In Conner we trust!
Think I'm going to try this on blood mage actually. Overflowing life from the first ascendancy point, ES from body armour gained as life, whatever the node leading to that one is, and crit damage based on life. Then when this inevitably get's nerfed I'm not stuck with a titan I don't know what to do with, and can reroll into minions or smth lol. Since you have to path all the way over to the curse node anyways shouldn't be too many points wasted on alternative pathing, just path up from the witch start, maybe pick up a couple of those ES as stun threshold nodes in witch starting area, since I'll be using the ES body armour anyways for the Bloodmage ascendancy. Really just comes down to how easy it is to get crit with the 2h melee, since I'll be banking on the crit damage per 20 life node.
Thoughts about starting Merc instead? Gemling looks really good, being able to stack STR for life and 2H maces while having no gen attribute issues and getting easy +max res seems strong defensively
The start for this build looks rough, assuming that we beeline to the 2H+Shield keystone we might need a LOT of additional str to equip an on-level 2H mace, if so, it might mean taking primarily an attribute highway route from the start. Then grabbing Fire convert keystone and some fire nodes near the highway. Hopefully the full tree gets dropped before launch.
Why not go for all the ignite scaling first and 2 hand without shield until you can get the Giant's Blood? The consequences of dying a little more will be lesser at the beginning anyways.
HotG is a lvl 52 skill and we don’t yet know how to get the remaining 25% of conversion to fire. Safe to say it will have to be a respec late in Cruel or in maps.
I'm assuming you don't rush 2H+shield keystone at first. All the active skills including hammer of the gods do work with one hand maces which should do totally fine. I assume you would switch more late game when you have started to slowly stack strength on your character to sustain the keystone and when you have crafted a busted 2h mace. No need to go for that keystone early. Maybe Conner will give his take on a next video.
just level with supercharged slam lmao
how to path the passive tree through the campaign?
I think I'll go Chronomancer for the x3 or x4 hammers, faster clear and more reliable hits. With some luck you can get 5-6 hits in a row sometimes. Will be mad.
With chrono you also easily reach 60%+ physical and 45% elemental dmg recoup from a couple of nodes on the tree and the ascendancy. You can also get another 20% aura slow on top of all that. Shield+onehander for clear then pure damage 2 hander for bosses as a swap. Dig into shield/mace nodes for swap only. Rest is strength stack and ignite. Looks pretty sweet -easy access to ignite and recoup nodes from the sorceress starting position too.
I think I have my build, thanks a lot! Please keep em coming :)
I love the way you think about this stuff. Of course these are best guessing but it's an interesting take nonetheless.
"Something something ome mow wa shinderu whatever"
I think the "balance" to this better ignite is much weaker ignite proliferation and possibly an inability to push targets into negative resists (not sure if flammability and exposure will be able to, we know penetration won't go below 0). In poe 1 we routinely triggered exposure, elemental EQ + flammability on targets AND we had decently wide AOE ignite prolif as well. Edit: ignite scaling however powerful does miss out on some of the hitscaling though. There are plenty of supportgems to scale the hit itself while simply relying on the exertion from infernal cry to provide a strong "default" ignite. Examples that require "setup" and/or "consume" ailments: Combo finisher, Exploit weakness, Biting frost, Bloodlust (doesn't consume but requires bleeding target), Frostfire is probably the strongest on though with +100% ignite on frozen targes (but won't pair with biting frost since they both consume the freeze). Hourglass is also another 50% one if you don't mind adding even more cooldown to the skill. As a comparison the +75%/-25% supports that buff the ailment but reduce the hit is effectively only a 31.25% increase to the ignite because of the smaller hit it is based (probably still good enough to make the 5-gem lineup in most cases). Getting freeze into the setup might be tricky unless you don't mind weaponswapping to a crossbow with permafrost bolts so I would probably stick to a setup skill that procced heavy stun on the boss and also had the "devastate" support to fully break the armor at the same time which would set up for the "exploit weakness" support on the hammer. I do have a question about "enraged" and "enraging" cry: will those work with only 1 warcry use if you don't already have rage?
Hulking Form just got even more busted, considering a good majority of Ignite Effect nodes are small passives. Titan looking *REAL* juicy.
Alright Conner. I'm rolling with you to start.
you know whats even better about curses? +decaying hex (hexes deal chaos dmg over time) +hinder (chaos damage over time inflicts hinder), if that works, youre literally untouchable at melee unless you go afk in the middle of the fight (and wait like 10 minutes for enemies to close distance)
get so much reduced speed that the enemies start walking backwards
Ive enjoyed following your advice on Molten strike of the zenith build and had pleanty fun doing it, and ive achived my gool of reaching 1k dlve. Looking forward fore more update and, lets have some fun playiong poe2
check out conc effect and also combo finisher for your HOtG links. Combo finisher could be good if you can reliably build combo points during your hammer cd.
yea I'm curious about combo finisher personally. The only mention of "combo" I've seen are the skills that "finish" it so I assume you can build combo with other attacks just by having a "finisher" slotted. Another interesting interaction would be if you can have a source of freeze in your preparation for the hammer and then use "biting frost" support on HotG to force a crit though without critscaling investment on the tree it is probably more trouble than it's worth.
iirc combo finisher specifies "strikes" which is different from "slams" (hotg is a slam) so combos would be something you use with strike skills.
You could probably make something kind of similar to this setup (without the ignite shenanigans) with flicker strike where you build up multiple power charges, debuff the boss, warcry, build up combo and then flicker the boss for giga damage
Combo is unique to each skill. Building combo with one skill will not apply to any other skill but itself.
@@Nuancexd I do wonder about the context of that quote... if I read that correctly then the monks "tempest bell" would be unusable because it "uses" combo to summon yet if you can't generate combo without "using" it how can it activate??? I think there is some confusion there between "combo finisher" and "extended combo"
@@Flakzor123 I’m going to assume that the dev isn’t wrong, and that we just might not have proper gem information for tempest bell, or the combo mentioned by the dev and the combo mentioned on the bell are actually 2 different things. The assumption is that the dev was referring to combo in the use case of building combo on a useless skill to spend on a giga skill.
That gonna be a massive BONK
Why ignite and not bleed?
first rule of the hammer of the gods club
I didn't see the gem before but now that you point it out, blasphemy seems completely absurd.
Might even be best in slot for most builds if it remains unchanged.
When we finally have the all the information will you be posting the full build guide to follow? That would be awesome if you can. Thanks.
The biggest flaw i see so far is build feeling, the attack speed seems like itll be rough when you're swarmed by mobs and potentially getting stunned by hits
this build will neither get stunned or feel anything when its surrounded by monsters
@ConnerConverse at endgame or can it be like this throughout the 25 hour campaign? I imagine early game will feel rough for most classes
@@swootyx Warrior is very tanky in act 1 just by filling your gear slots but end game it will use the Untiring and Aegis setups both to basically be able to AFK when surrounded by monsters
Okay im sold. Gona start with this. Thanks for the video. You go into great depth.
Please keep updated videos on build ❤
The wording on the Warcry’s is very precise. I don’t think enraged warcry will work on infernal cry as it empowers the next strike. Seismic strike exerts the next strike so I think enraged warcry is intended to partner seismic not infernal.
Can bosses or mobs be resisted to ignite/fire?
What ascendancy would work for this?
i was planning around something like this aswell but with chrono to reset its cd or smth like bloodmage for the crit. really need to see full ascendancies first tho
Resetting the cd and scaling hit damage would be a really underwhelming strategy when compared to just scaling the ignite. You can get a lot more bang for your buck scaling a huge ailment rather than scaling a hit on a huge cooldown, even if you’re able to reset that cooldown every ~10s.
@Nuancexd oh im definately going ignite with it. Being able to reset it during boss fights with phases was the idea
@@aniapersa3454 gotcha
I'd prolly go for Blood Magic, and squeeze Life Leech on one of the gem setup somewhere, maybe switching LS setup for something else. Top Ignite wheel seems a lot of investment tho in passive, not sure if it's worth the pathing there instead of bumping weapon/melee/phys damage?
How well would this work with bleed instead of ignite?
Thoughts on bonestorm to add flat to the hammer before % increase?
My brother, Do you think we can go crit with Biiting Frost support and a weapon swap to new dagger "freeze enemies that are on full life"? :)
Is Blasphemy intended to by-pass the curse limit? I mean i know you CAN socket multiple curses in it, but wouldn't you just be restricted by the curse aplication limit and be obligated to take +1 curse to fit in both Temp Chains and Enfeeble?
He intends to pickup up Whispers of Doom keystone per his video. It is right next to a bunch of ignite nodes the build already picks up.
@@garridy2834 Whispers of doom is like 31 or 32 points from startarea just picking direct line notes by the look of it... I am wondering how one can do the shield and ignite notes up to whispering doom ... this POE 2 tree looks so point heavy
@@oxygene9082 there is fire nodes next to it, so not awful going over there
Hey Conner, do you think Frostbreath unique could be an option for 1hander or sorc? There are a bunch of nodes/supports that increase ignite or hit on chilled/frozen enemies. I wanted to do something similar but with spells before I saw your video.
Love the look of this. Just hope the socket gems doesn't mean the first gem and that means all gems so blasphemy works the way you said. Def thinking about having a look into this though.
What is actually triggering the ignite of hammer of the gods?
if im not mistaken, in poe2 fire hits have inherent chance to ignite based on their hit damage in relation to enemy's ailment threshold. Hammer of the gods scales a huge initial hit, and can probably grab a bunch of %increased chance to ignite on the tree
the fact its fire damage and the ignite chance passives on tree
@@ConnerConverse Thank you Connor! Looking forward following this build idea! Looking forward seeing you cook more for Poe2!
Do you plan to update skill tree once you got it going?
have we got a tree ready already?. thanks
"Nickelback - The Hammer's Coming Down" - The Build
Do we know of any sources of convertion to fire to get the last 25%?
Rn no, but there is probably some unique that they didn't tiser yet, or some unique from poe1 like that sword that phoenix drops
if the damage is big enough you wouldn't care about the 25% conversion anyway
@ If it was 25% less ignite damage then I would agree. But this is hit damage which can result in not igniting a boss with a high ailment threshold at all. It slows clear speed too.
Infernal cry.
Im going for stun buildup via totems into giga hammers (maybe bleed, depends on the % value on the support gem) :) I am hoping the warbringer has some fun nodes to support it
Any changes so far with the until now revealed stuff ?
Another question: any plans for the sustain of the build besides the es on block notable ?
I think ggg changed blasphemy. I believe they put reduced curse effect to it.
@@ba53lin3 they did change blasphemy. One cat starts yapping about it and it got nuked.
Can u shock enemies with ligtning storm even if u convert 100% of dmg to fire?
avatar of fire + something else?
No, only if Stormweaver and pick up "all damage can shock".
Chronomancer + Hammer of the gods - On paper sounds cool. Would be possible to scale ignite?
Im gonna go sorcerer that focus on close quarter combat like a rogue and then try to go lightning aura and spec so it does dmg.
The thought is a ball of lightning that teleports through the map.
Glad for you man, hope you have a blast with it. I'm gonna go in blind outside of what has been revealed in the announcement and teasers cause it's a fresh game, it looks fun, it's not a 3rd person roleplaying story telling slop and want to have fun like back in the days where you barely knew about the game and learned as you played.
You never mentioned what ascendancy to play? My friends started poll and i wanted to choose your option, but i just don't know :(
He said titan or warbringer
@@Nuancexd oh, it's ascendancies? i thought it was something else :)
What u think about tornado cluster granade ignite or poison ? with witch hunter concentration ascendency
That seems like a long way to go from start to giants blood, to Aegis and up to the ignite cluster and Whispers. Have you pathed this out?
A full path 180 degrees from 6 o clock to 12 o clock on the tree is 30 travel points for 7 jewel sockets. Not too worried
Technically it’s possible but you might miss out on some pretty impactful nodes. But you could min max the jewels I guess
@@coachaslys2175 Well, in my mind we are not missing impactful nodes beacause we are already taking a long path already to get the impactful nodes (how many relevant nodes could there really be?)
Weapon Specialization can help too. 20 (?) points to trade off between ad clear and Hammer.
@@AcesSuited That’s true, actually witch hunter could be a crazy ascendancy
Have you thought on using the chronomancer ascendancy to reset the cooldown on Hammer? You can hit with the hammer two times with second wind+hourglass, and reset your cooldowns with the chrono ascendancy and hit two more times again. Dont know with my idea is better, but its just an idea
Ignites dont stack, so second hit doesn't help for this build
@@gregd5569 but if you can scale ignite duration to do damage faster you will need a way to apply another ignite faster, especially on bosses with phases.
So far I can only find two skills that use dual wield but people have already said a lot of these skill gems are missing information.. I hope dual wield will work for most warrior skills.
Thoughts on how you get there, and how soon you could start using it in the earliest?
I just wonder
How Hammer of Gods scales with dual wielding?
( i know they said some skills gonna hit faster and alternate other gonna combine damage from both weapons but will it count as one combine hit or 2 hits at the same time)
I don't think it will benefit from dual wielding, which is a good thing. But no one really know yet.
should have posted on friday....
so GGG wouldnt, oh shit
How will you get the rest of the conversion to fire if you take avatar? Somewhere the 25% has to come from
Infernal cry.
@@NorthGateNoob Infernal cry is "gain extra", not conversion.
@@iFoss Ah, i see. Well i guess the question still stands.
Which class would be good to start with this?
Anything with high defense scaling.
also, everyone lets not forget poe 2 was said to very likely not have dot cap ;D (evil laugh fading into the background)
If I recall correctly, Jonathon said he doesn't remember the dot cap in Poe2 in his latest interview in South Korea. This implies that the dot cap is still there. It might be a different number depending on the variable size used to record the dot damage, and it's probably also intertwined with server ticks, etc.
POE2 we have a weapon swap with a whole new passive tree. Just build one tree for HOG and the other for a proper clear skill like Jagged Edge Earthquake, something that can actually clear through a breach/ritual etc.
its not like we get a whole separate tree. Just a bunch of nodes to make slight deviations from the "main" tree.
@@AdskyDimon yea but "unspeccing" resolute technique for HotG would make critical hits available with no downside except the weaponswap delay =)
@@Flakzor123 I don't think you can take a keystone using the weapon swap points.
@@AdskyDimon ah my bad, I thought it was full swap. But I think it's only like 20 points or something after reading now, but you can do whatever you want with those extra points. I'm thinking just use sunder or perfect strike for dual wielding 2h on the swap and alter the tree for clear on those while HOG is down (dual wieldig those skills gives about 40% extra damage as it hits with both weapons). Supercharged and Stampede sound pretty bad, even Conner thinks so 😄
@@gregd5569 hmm.. I hope you are wrong. I'll be sucking on the copium until we find out =)
Really want to see if i can do a hammer on a chronurgy sorc, lots of int+mana scaling damage with lighting, herald of thunder converting the physical into the scaled lightning + time snap to do it twice in quick succession and can utilise hourglass support effectively and maybe even second wind for 3 (sexond wind on time snap maybe?). Unsure if possible to scale the damage enough, but might be an incredible allrounder and frees up the powerful spell support gems for clearing
Edit: think I read herald of thunder wrong, but with potentially 3 hammers in quick succession I think this can get scaled pretty effectively
Edit2: seen avatar of fire (75% of damage as fire, deal no non-fire damage), maybe something similar for lightning? or use avatar of fire on weapon swap passive + other fire scaling passives? feels like sorc can scale its fire damage better
weapon swap passives cannot allocate keystones so if you take avatar of fire you'll have it all the time
heralds only convert herald damage and not your own attacks
also i think it's important to remember that conversion also works differently in poe2 where if you convert 100% phys into fire, only fire damage will scale the damage and any % physical damage will not work
Resetting the cooldown of the hammer isn’t increasing ignite damage, it would be only a minor damage increase and you would lose all the defensive ascendancy nodes from something like titan.
@@Nuancexd we dont know how much res and hp poe2 bosses have i really doubt we can one tap the bosses without expensive gears investment , time snap would be perfect to insure that we can inflicat another big ignite too mybe even for a 3th time to fenish the boss off
I would assume the game design we were presented so far, is pretty heavily against oneshotting bosses. We've seen hammer gameplay on bosses, and it wasnt doing all that much. We dont know exact links, but Im assuming those were definitely not supportless skills. I feel like with how much different many aspects of the game are from poe1, its not unreasonable to expect bosses to outive the basic math of "bonk stronk many%"
really? you've seen hammer ingite builds fully endgame setup on bosses? if those didnt 1 shot them the other builds must have taken hours to kill the boss
@ obviously not your setup, Im just saying that theory on an unreleased early access game is to be taken with a grain lf salt. We know fractions of what we are told about, and theres much more of what we dont know about. Maybe bosses have a hidden mech to not tale more than 30% life in one hit for all we know.
@@AdskyDimonwhataboutism is completely useless to think about. There is no reason at all not to be planning something based on the information we have, because the alternative is to bumble around on your first character with no synergies. Sure, you can still have fun, but a lot of people won’t have fun playing a super weak character.
As far as I understood the chance to ignite issn't easy, how exactly will you have a 100% chance to ignite? Imagine you hammer a boss and it did not ignite. And again and again. Or did I miss a crucial part of information here?
He explains in the vid but the basics are the bigger the hit the higher the chance to inflict ignite. Since the hits are stupid OP it will be 100% ignite.
hey what would be the rotation for these skills ? blasphemy , infernal cry ,hammer ?
blasphemy is perm aura. i imagine it to be more like spamming stampede for trash and movement with warcry and hammer for rares whenever available.
Im kinda hyped about this build
how would hammer of the gods work with ancestral totem, will placing the totem and after it casts hammer of the gods, then resummon and replacing the totem bypass the cooldown? I know it works for flamewood totem but I'm not sure if it would work for cooldown skills. if it does its probably broken
would be useless because you can only put one ignite on the enemy. you would also lose a lot of damage from various sources because you wouldnt attack yourself
@@derinderinderinderin2 nah man, that's not about ignites. If you can bypass the cooldown this way you won't even need ignite
Afaik totems have their own base damage, and don’t use the base damage on your weapon in poe2.
Side question: Does bleed suck in PoE2 too ?
do we know how how many skill points we get in poe2 yet? with this build i end up at exactly 100? could probs slim it down to about 90 tho
from the skill tree we do know the ignite and double curse is just too far without sacrificing too much armor and dmg. if we don't get 100sp the build will only be good if we have some nodes closer we don't know yet and might need to sacrifice the double curse. also do we know if melee damage and twohanded dmg will will scale with this id assume so since we use avatar of fire but I'm not sure coz of the change where converted dmg does no longer respect origin? is there anyone with more knowledge to elaborate??
Hey POE vets and @ConnerConverse - I'm really interested in the shield skills, but im Very new to POE and im really excited about this game. I really like skills like D4's barb kick, stomp, charge, and leap. I do have practice with character/stat building from other games (Darktide/Vermintide/Diablo3/4 etc.) im not blind, but I don't do math at your level.
My question is - Would a strong shield (shield skill focused) build be possible? I really like the shield counter, charge and the like; Later I want to focus on shield skills with other weapons like the Flail, Axe and Sword.
I understand i would probably need a skill like HOTG to back it up though. I appreciate the help anyone can give.
In poe1 there are builds focusing on "shield crush", I'd assume poe2 will bring back some similar skills but it's hard to tell if they have it in the beginning of EA. For now, you can go to poedb 2 to check the leaked skills and search "shield" to see if there's anything you like.
can someone explain how the ignite chance works to me?
I like how u just say "hello" instead of "WHATS UP GUYS/UA-cam"
The 🐐
I thought DOTs had an initial hit of 25% in POE2? or was that just poison? I mean its probably still strong even at 1/4th the damage. (I'm sure I heard something on the videos/podcasts or read somewhere that DOT's when applied deal 25% of the hit damage eg. 1000 fire damage - 250 poison damage) If I'm wrong please let me know, thus far I wasn't too sure about a DOT build
It’s 25% of the base damage per second. That’s your BASE before any more/increased multipliers, etc.
So with all the multipliers you end up with like 200%+ base damage per second over the entire ignite duration so the total ignite does many times the damage of the initial hit.
@@Nuancexd It is 20% not 25%, taken from Viper's answer in Poe2 Discord. A more realistic estimation would be about 150% original hit damage per second I think. Compared to Poe1 of 90% base damage, ignite in Poe2 is severely weaker unless you can incorporate crit into your build somehow. The inflated numbers really come from Hammer of god and all the warcry + warcry linked support buffs
@duchungpham7356 making the ignite based on premitigated hit in general is what will make it strong in poe2.
Wouldn’t this build be somewhat useless on Maven like fights when you have short alternating phases with a “new” enemy on every phase. Seems like you will be able to quickly go through phase one and wait for the cd on the start of every other phase
immune phases are a result of players being able to 1 shot every boss, the fights weve seen on poe2 release have no immune phases
Would you still be able to shock with Lightning Storm if you have Avatar of Fire?
Won't know till testing
Only if it's bugged.
I was thinking if there is possibility to go giant's blood chronomancer with big ignite to get 2 slams
no
It’s not really necessary. You’d prefer an ascendancy that gives you more proper defenses, not to mention that chronometer is on the wrong side of the tree for an attack build like this.
1:54 what’s a once hand mace? :P
we go twice hand mace here
@@ConnerConverse lol. Mace Windu would be proud.
@@ConnerConverse Good thing I'm used to twice hand my stuff
Would Lightning Storm still shock if you convert all damage to fire through avatar of fire?
needs to be tested
Lightning storm might not even be in the game atm, its not in elementalist skills... could be a druid skill since thats where it was first showed.
im thinking about HOTG chronomancer will it works with time freeze as it s main mechs?
2 hammer hits is going to do WAY less damage than 1 hit that applies an ignite that does the damage of 40 hammer hits.
wish i knew the chronomancer acendancy number, wanna use it for the time rewind
Would bleed work well instead of the ignite?
Melee ignite! You think they did it right this time?
What is ignite mean on poe? Its like crit?
@@for_air_drop3440 it's like dot
@@for_air_drop3440ignite is the ailment triggered by fire damage. It deals fire damage over time. Basically ignite is to fire what poison is to chaos damage, or bleeding is to physical damage.
@@nextgen3ric so its like ignite always combine with fire dmg and hit dmg overtime?
if its kept as this, it seems so yes
Congrats on ISU going to the CCG. Definitely looking at something like this. Appreciate your content
slows are action speed
i will become thor. sign me up
I have zero xp and knowledge about the game but how you explained it, hopping to 1-2 shot bosses, I dont think the devs will allow that, will they?
you can in poe1 with enough gear so yeah, wont be an issue
so as a total new player i see their will be different servers to choose what would you recommend, have been playing new world so hoping some off it will translate cheers
you just choose server location by lowest latency, theres no restriction swapping between them like there would be in a game like WoW. there are different game modes like hardcore and softcore, and later on in the game leagues. just pic the regular Softcore league
Don't you have to pay the cost PER curse used with blasphemy? So wouldn't it be 180 spirit?
30 spirit for 2 curses is 60 base reservation. It’s just a flat amount per curse, then whatever supports are on it may have cost multipliers to that total base.
“I’m bringing the hammer down” 😂
curses gonna be nerfed before release BET ON IT
Go Hawks!
Block the devs from seeing this
I was a bit worried about the hammer has 2.5 sec duration, that seem to me as a 2.5 sec delay. And with the long CD, I am thinking about the witch that refresh cd. With more invest into armour life, we should be tanky enough so if a big hit launch on us we can use temp rift to recovery to full like. That's the poe1 ignite build do have some recovery problem
Since i'd expect to see a rare every 2-3 sec in late game, I was thinking to give hammer second wind, and if that cd refresh can give all charge back. Let say the refresh cd has a cd of 8 sec, with a bit cdr invested, every 5-6 sec, we get 2 use of hammer.
there is nothing related between ignite builds and recovery problems aside from i guess if you plan on relying on leech for recovery, which this build will be untiring + aegis on tree for its recovery
@@xingdongjiang1303 a rare every 2-3 seconds in late game would mean in a 5 minute map you fight 100-150 rares. no map in path of exile naturally spawns mroe than 25-30 rares
@@ConnerConverse Im guessing some numbers, for armour w/o flask and determination, we might have 10-20k armour if we invest a bit, that's 100 to 200 ES per block. I guess its ok consider we are forced to use a life flask. For rares, it really depends on how hard t15 is. If its a bit easy for all build can clear, then maybe fresh time to make thing smooth worth the plan. BTW Rain of Arrow also seems way OP.
@@xingdongjiang1303 rain of arrows is not a real gem, anyone who looks at it and thinks its real is not a serious person. 400 arrows at 160% effectiveness is definately placeholder numbers
i want to do the same thing but as a druid for no reason whatsoever
I thought shocks ability to add more damage to a boss was based on how hard the shock does in damage compared to the bosses health pool?
No shock is a flat 30% in poe2 and harder hits increase this chance. There are both skills and supports that seem to give flat shock chance however so I used both to be safe
@@ConnerConverse AoF. No lightning damage = no shock chance