BlazingRant: Exactly How "GOOD" Is Fire Emblem Echoes?
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Now that Fire Emblem Echoes has been released to the world, opinions about this game have rapidly been going back and fourth, and everyone has had their input towards the game, though the general consensuses is that Echoes is pretty good. Well now it's my time to speak up and ask just how "GOOD" is fire emblem Echoes?
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Alm: *breathes*
Berkut: AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
UNNNCCCCLLLLEEEEEEE
I mean yeah
honestly tho
*MAH RIGHTFUL THRONE THO, UUUUUUNCLE*
positive: It was faithful
negative: It was faithful
That's what I got from playing though Echoes and watching Ghast play through of Gaiden.
Optimistic Otaku he's enjoying Echoes a lot. But can't say until he's completed Echoes. he's currently on Act.III recently getting past Nuibaba
That is Act 4
He recently posted on Twitter that it has become his favorite game.
twitter.com/ghaaast/status/877234819192815616
"This world belongs to Alm" lol Faye is the thirstiest FE character I've ever seen
It's not that the RNG isn't great, it's that it's accurate for once. The first 6 (maybe 5), FE games used single RNG, and so does Echoes. Sure, you hit less, but it's actually displaying the proper number
Darth R0xas FE 1-6 and 15 used single RNG, 7-13 used true hit/double RNG and Fates used some hybrid RNG (True hit above 50%, single RNG below 50%).
Air tempest Thanks
Air tempest actually true hit started in 6 but to contemplate the weapon hit rate was lowered quite a bit
I'd wager we won't see Hybrid RNG after Fates'... 'Unique' RNG.
Darth R0xas (enemy lands two consecutive 1% crits as you miss a 98%)
101 dislikes?
This video HAS to be good!
Mangs You were not wrong
Not as good as your shitposts.
> Mangs
> good shitposts
Yo mangs
14:32 "these characters personality and backstory have already been established"
have you even played Gaiden? or at least talked to someone who has?
Gaiden barely has any dialogue whatsoever. once you've recruited a character they'll never say anything ever again. well except for their death quote. and even before you recruit them they don't say much. that exchange between Luthier and Delthea that you get when you recruit Delthea was not in Gaiden. the only thing that conversation amounted to was Delthea saying thanks then joining.
Fidens Libertas this makes the obvious subtraction of personality from female characters all the more painful to see
What subtraction? They added things more than anything. Only questionable ones are Celica and definitely Faye.
I don't think this dude has played anything prior to permadeath, he said shadowdragon and advance were bad....he probably got fucked past 2-3 levels and hates the games cause they're too hard for him.
He has played the GBA games(Sacred Stones was his first FE), the Tellius games, Shadow Dragon, the 3DS games, He said he was playing FE4 a while back, and is playing Three Houses on his lets play channel.
Best written and translated game in the series. WELL worth it!
Professor Who not really gameplay is where it at
kevin and the gameplay is great
The gameplay made the game a bit boring for me tbh.
It really depents on what you seek in a Fire Emblem game. I like story over gameplay, so I really like Echoes. You probably like gameplay more which is why you'll likely like Echoes a bit less.
Someone who actually critiques the writing would be nice. Really, I've seen no one say that the "writing" is bad. Story? It's an expansion of an NES game. It's not going to be perfect. But for how it is writen, and the story itself is more than fates and awakening
I heard a Let's Player named Bigklingy speculate that an FE game that combines Echoes' storytelling with Fates' game-play could potentially make for one of the best games in the series.
I feel like Faye is the creators' personal commentary about that section of the fanbase obsessed with self inserting their avatar with their preferred character. She's a warning to impressionable young shippers about the dangers of going extreme with self inserting and fantasizing. Faye's unlikable because she's meant to be someone you don't want to become. That's my interpretation of her, but even so I still find her annoying and don't think it's a good enough reason to make me like her.
presea c I am pretty sure that not it . more than likely she suppose to feel the Catria role better since Clare moves on with her live.
It's not that deep.
Cuckmaster Flex deeper than all the females in awakening and fates tho 👀
keldeothehorse
Is she though?
At least most of the female characters have more than one character trait and motivation. That’s already a step up above anything Faye ever gets.
Echoes is, in all reality, the anti-fates. specifically conquest. great story, and overly boring and frustrating gameplay with several maps being great. but i'd be lying if i say i didn't expect that from the get-go. echoes is a game you need to play in with a certain mindset. and only then once you've seperated it from the rest of the series do you enjoy it to it's fullest.
that's what makes it better than fates and awakening in my eyes, as those games suffer from a total identity crisiis, taking the series in a new direction, but at the same time trying too hard to be "fire emblem" Echoes has its own identity and knows what it is. it doesn't try to be any other game (other than gaiden of course) while awakening tried (and failed to be a giant three act epic like RD) and fates tried to hard to outdo awakening.
echoes took a flawed game and made it into a game with well... quirks. and honestly i love it. i said that it was the best FE since new mystery and I will stick to that statement.
had it gotten a few more months in development, maybe those forced story beats could've been ironed out and made the story on par wit FE6, 7 or 9. (because at this point the fanbase has finally realized how great SS's story is and I love it) but as it stands i'd say echoes is a better fire emblem than awakening and fates, but not a better game. (if that makes any sense. )
If you get into the game with the mindset that this is a NES game and they can only gimp it so much, it's a very enjoyable experience. Fates bit off much more than it could chew and was messy in many places.
I agree. I think I loved Echoes so much because it was literally the opposote of Fates, like you said. I despised Fates SO much that it caused me to absolutely love Echoes very much.
Honestly, Echoes is either my 3rd or 2nd favorite Fire Emblem game for me. Sure, the gameplay does get repetitive at points, but I'm perfectly ok with that. The maps may not be very good, but they look fantastic. They are detail packed, as opposed to Fates, which had some detailed levels, and others that, weren't. The story, while certainly forced at points, is something I honestly didn't notice until the middle of Celica's route. Also, the game has 3-5th tier classes, which I want to see come back
ZerkMonsterHunter 4 I agree mate, and even though I've only played awakening and fates so far, this game was amazing, and I'm currently replaying it. Imo it's better than fates in almost everything except for a couple of things that I can't remember at the moment. But all and all I love this game, the characters, I got the hang of it pretty quickly for being a "new FE fan" and I can't wait for your review of this game (if you're doing one) since I feel kinda weird and split about his review, but its his opinion so I can't do anything about that.
If you have to play the game with a "certain mindset", that's not really a good sign. "Wanna play Superman 64? I mean you have to play it with a certain mindset to enjoy it, but still" (before anyone flips out, I'm not saying Echoes is Superman 64 bad). The FE series, as any other series really, should be enjoyed by anyone, and what you're basically saying from what I understand is "only FE players will understand". It's ok to love a shitty game, I mean look at Ghast. Gaiden is/was his favourite game. But even he knows that the game sucks and has way too many flaws to be called a good game. I loved Brawl competitively, but the unbalanced bullshit in that game is completely indefensible. Same thing goes for Echoes. Echoes has a nice story and all, but that doesn't excuse its mediocre gameplay. I still love this game.
I love your criticisms agaist Echoes. You talked about every complaint I hesitated to express in my video.
I love the story and rejoice the villain issues finnally solved in this game, but I couldn't stand for the lack of replayability and map design and other stuffs.😢
I know Fates has one of the worst story-telling but the gameplay is very very fun.😙
I hope Intelligent Systems will create a new game having good things of both Exhoes and Fates😊
3 emoji's? 3 more reasons to kill my self
Just to disprove the RNG claim for the septillionth time. Fire Emblems 1-6 have the most fair RNG system, where the percentage is precisely what you see on the screen, rather than 7-14 where it is to the players favor.
Yeah. People always complain FE6's RNG but, I never had a problem.
I'm not exactly sure if Fates' RN system is confirmed to be true hit or not. Regardless, the misconception that some RNGs are worse than others is probably due to varying definitions of "RNG." I don't think a lot of people talk about the system itself but rather their personal experience with the game.
Ziggy McDougal That's true. Also, Fates RNG is a stupid mix of both, which makes no sense and is worse than 1RN because of how random it can be
Ziggy McDougal That's true. Also, Fates RNG is a stupid mix of both, which makes no sense and is worse than 1RN because of how random it can be
Finn I haven't played 1 through 5 but 6 can be a bitch with RNG in my experience playing it
Just now getting around to this and... your opinion is fair.
I love this game. All the heart that went into it astounds me. How it's a send up to Awakening, a parallel to Shadow Dragon, and it's own story is great. It set the bar for what a Fire Emblem game needs to be going forward. Now if that bar is low or high, I don't know. I liked Alm's maps and hated Celica's. I remember more personal fights than I do the maps they were in. The music is ear-candy at times but I didn't realize or remember there were so many songs. The RNG was stupid but the fights were fun to watch. The supports were a breath of fresh air or a distraction but also utterly pointless and few. The village conversations provided more backstory for the characters than anything else. I like the smaller details like units cheering each other on or both Alm and Celica having different monologues when entering a dungeon or viewing something... but I find little to no reason to replay the game except to try things differently. I'm not going for all the awards but renown is a big factor in global listing. Even streetpass can keep me going back to dungeons even if I admit I don't like it.
So on the whole, I think it's a good game. I may not replay it as much as Awakening or Fates (as 100% can be achieved in one play through) but I'm glad I got to experience it.
Being someone who started with Awakening, it makes me look forward to new remakes and stories that don't follow the pandering trend like Fates or have more memorable villains than Awakening. I almost every character which is not something I can say for Awakening or Fates.
Hopefully we'll get the good of all games come Switch. I want to see this series thrive. I may hate the fanbase, but I'm glad when it grows with more diversity.
I'd honestly give it a 7.5-8/10 great characterization, cast, artstyle, VA, story(to some extent), improve forging, combat Arts and presentation but feels archaic in map design, lack of replay value, short(make sense given that's what Gaiden means) and gameplay also hate Cantors! plus wish they had a few cross supports when they merge ie Alm with Celica man that'd be amazing at least they obviously have their lovey dovey moments still though can't wait for FE Switch in 2018!
Besides, 7.8 is not by ANY MEAN bad score, is a very decent and fair score (and people just really need to get in their heads that it deserve that score because of its assets). Besides, like Jim Sterling said: "If you think this game is a 10/10 and the best game ever made, why are you here defending a meaningless score somebody gave to it in the internet and not playing it?"
Edgar Garcia decent would be a 6, 7.8 is more or less a good to great rating
Edgar Garcia 7.8/10 is a good score I just think people didn't like the reasons Ign gave also it's a new game and hype makes people ignore flaws and think everything's 10/10.
The way I see it is this:
6.0 to 6.9 is an alright game
7.0 to 7.9 is an good game
8.0 to 8.9 is an great game
9.0 to 9.9 is an outstanding game
10 is an perfect or at least nearly perfect game
Kinu FoxySpirit Replay value isn't that bad! The villagers make for varied gameplay and almost every character is optional to recruit making runs very different depending on who you recruit.
14:30 Ummm.... Blazing Knight, they did have to work with brand new material for the most part. Most of these characters were lucky if they even got 2 textboxes of dialogue in the original.
Stop beating up on Faye! The game already did an excellent job of absolutely shitting on her.
#FayeDidNothingWrong
#TravantDidNothingWrong tho
#FayeDidNothing would be a more Accurate Hashtag actually.
kirua258 I'm not taking sides here but that was hilarious!
#Alvisdidnothingwrong
THANK YU
WOAH!!!
Faye is honestly not that bad.
Also here comes the SALT
Otherwise, keep up the good work
Edit: 17 minutes in and I can take this
"Worse than Awakening and Conquest"
Woah, is this IGN?
That Guy she isn't really that bad, if she wasn't obsessed over Alm, she would be great
Cr0Nix SaV3s her only character is how she's Alms best friend who never gets live back. She's designed around it, far better than others. Not great, but hella not awful
That Guy u right, but could she not refer to him at least a hundred times during battle
Cr0Nix SaV3s have you not seen Camilla or tharja
They're FAR more obsessed, and only the former is a decent character
That Guy I agree. Faye is, to me, a comedy relief character for her obsession to Alm, as she tries so hard to steal Alm's heart but the audience knows that it'll never happen.
Sorry, but I think Echoes is better than Awakening and Conquest. While Awakening and Conquest were great games, I enjoyed Echoes a lot more than them.
Edit: Birthright was so boring and easy I stopped playing and didn't finish. I don't think Revelations is as good as Conquest or Awakening, but at least it's better than Birthright.
Me too. Echoes, in my opinion, blows them out of the water so goddamn hard.
+The Nonary Gamer For me it was the complete opposite tbh :l I enjoyed both Awakening and Conquest(In truth even Relevation) more then Echoes.. and they still have more replay value to me then Echoes :l
The Nonary Gamer You may have enjoyed it more than awakening and conquest, but was it a better game? To be honest, I don't know. I think Birthright is for sure worse, Revelations is my favorite (not favorite FE game, favorite fates.) so I'm biased in that department. Conquest it comes down to your opinion. I'm a huge difficulty seeker so I loved conquest, but some of the bullsh*t they pulled sucked (Chapter 10, Chapter 10, Chapter10), but I enjoyed the characters and story enough to love it. The main debate is a gameplay vs. story perspective.
Note: The first time I played Conquest was on Hard/Classic (because I'm a dumbass.).
The Nonary Gamer I thought Birth and Rev were way more fun than Conquest.
Ryogo Kaburaki Birthright is better than Conquest if you ask me. Revelations is fine.
I wish they hadn't been _that_ faithful to Gaiden. I like both games but redoing map designs, adding new objectives, including the weapon triangle and adding more new characters and classes could have made it one of the best in the series.
Also Berserker!Atlas would have been fucking ripped just saying.
I don't know about anyone else, but the level and quality of voice acting in this game has spoiled me to the point where most other game voice acting has been ruined to me. Absolutely stunning production quality for sure! It may be a simple story being told, but I feel that it's told in a phenomenal way. And THANK GOD Tree House didn't touch the localization. I absolutely loved the more semi-adult themed convos. Grey is my spirit animal lol. Hidari's art I'd absolutely stunning as well, it has ruined my expectation for quality of future fire emblem character designs and overall bar for presentation. I had A LOT of fun playing without the weapon triangle, but found my Snipers equipped with a long bow to be monstrously OP, especially on maps where there is a ton of desert and the opponent move makes them sitting ducks. I loved the dungeon exploration, but definitely could have done without a lot of forced encounters. One of the biggest gripes I have about the over map is that I absolutely HATE not having them be optional like in awakening. Having the Zombie choke points to get to and from where you wanted to go on Celicas route got old REALLY quick. I hadn't played Gaiden, so the map design was on the same level as awakening, not great, but not terrible. Again, it makes Snipers + Long Bow = OP.
*Killer bow
French final coming up
Blazing uploads
Whelp, I might fail tomorrow
I got 96%, va bien!
Bonne chance, tu vas en avoir besoin.
No like seriously m8 you're screwed
Shit, you outdid me.
Sorry but, Shadow Dragon was a piece of shit.
It was utter dogshit. Or maybe i was just spoiled by the excellent Tellius and GBA GAMES.
Cedars 85 It was bad, but I wouldn't call it horrible.
Fates really wore thin on me. I dunno about anyone else, but for me, Echoes is much better than the other two 3ds FE games. I felt more challenged in this game than the others, and the gameplay felt more focused. Here's the deal for me. I spent a long time playing Awakening and Fates, and then jumping right into shadow dragon for the first time.
So echoes came at a time where I was hoping for echoes to be a much better remake than Shadow dragon, whilst being more focused than Awakening and fates. So for me, it came at the perfect time.
fuck shadow dragon btw, i've never been more bored playing a fire emblem game.
EyexSore YT the 400 uses of the turnwheel kill all of the tension for me, the maps are sooo boring especially when you have to fight 300 gargoyles, there are literally 5 classes and I beated the game on hard the just by spamming double lion or using saber as a dread fighter. As a fire emblem game the gameplay is shit but compared to the other it has better soundtrack, design and look
Pandinus no especially soundtrack
Unlike Fates, Echoes is actually enjoyable.
Awakening is a good game but Fates is by far the worst fire emblem game out there. Awakening saved the franchise while fates killed it again and Echoes saved it once again
You can’t even get all units in Shadow Dragon. Hell if you want some good ones, you gotta sacrifice some of your own units to get them. It’s bullshit.
Honestly, I'd give Alm's route an 8.5/10 and Celica's route a 6.5/10 if I were to rate them separately.
I'd personally give them 9/10 and 7/10 respectively. Alm's route is definitely the more engaging and exciting route. Plus you know, no F*CKIN' SWAMP MAPS!
stoizz Cancer>cantors. thats right, I'd rather have cancer than cantors.
stoizz in my opinion the alm's route is an 8.5/10, and the celica's route 10/10 because valbar
How the fuck do you people shit out your ratings? Based on WHAT?
Alm ´s route is the best FE game. Celica´s route.... They love to cut the fun uh-
Very interesting points. While I actually 100% agree with you on the positives and negatives about the game, for me the game was overall amazing to me. I can fully admit that Echoes has boring/frustrating map design, is very repetitive in dungeons, and has a few questionable moments in the story, but... I guess it didn't bother me as much?
Maybe I was personally just longing for an FE game that was more simplistic, quite unlike Fates Conquest/Revelations. An FE game with a huge focus on well-written characters, nations that aren't just "good" or "evil", and some amazing villains to fight. It gave me exactly what I personally wanted, plus some things I never even knew I wanted (Mila's Turnwheel, combat Arts, etc.)
I can legitimately say that it's actually my new favorite FE game because of this, despite the negative things it has. But hey, you're also the one who said Revelations had GOOD map design, and that actually was my LEAST favorite FE game, so yeah. Great video as always! Looking forward to more!
Why do people hate Faye so much? I find her fine. Bland but not that bad. She kind of reminds me of Amy Rose to be honest.
Her C & especially B supports with Silque paint her in a REALLY bad light (although the A support is a bit redeeming). Also at one point, when Alm and Celica have an argument, Faye sees this as an opportunity to try and slyly convince Alm to let Celica go and be with her instead, which to me comes off as pretty dickish, especially considering Alm clearly still cares deeply for Celica. And her epilogue... just read it and you may see why people hate her so much.
Me however, I pity her more than I hate her. I feel like she deserved FAR better writing.
riddy-pr
I don't think the way she was going about it was sly at all. I thought she was bashing him over the head with "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME?!"
Master Tactician G-CON
Dude no!
Don't attract the sonic fanbase here!
This fanbase is crazy enough.
Fyrfly Yes, but to be fair....the Fire Emblem fan base isn't much better....
echoes' smaller cast definitely made me like it the most from all the fire emblem games ive played. as a player who refuses to let units die (while playing on classic which can be frustrating haha), very large casts usually just leads to fewer characters focused on, fleshed out, and remembered (read: fire emblem fates)
Bonus fact the voice actor for berkut is the same as space dandy
Zero time for fun :O
And Whis from DBS
The maps don't bother this game though. Why? Because it is incredibly role based. You're not using one unit over and over again because Archers eliminate the spellcasters that would destroy cavaliers and knights, mages counter most terrains and units with bad res as well as other mages due to their high res, and you clear the ranged guarding the castle entrance as units like Alm/Celica, the DFs, and the knights/cavaliers storm the castle and kill the units that would otherwise oneshot your mage/archers. The formation based strategy only works in these open fields. Can you even imagine Echoes gameplay mixed with labyrinthine overrated Conquest map designs? I don't think so. Archers would literally be the ONLY unit you use. You get it now?
I'm not as bothered with the map design (I've played Gaiden, I've gotten over it), but I really wish they didn't use the repeats, that was disappointing.
Thank you. I knew I couldn't be the only one.
monkeylemur I'd much rather have an open field where I can maneuver troops than hallway/bridge simulators.
monkeylemur
Eh, you might wanna take that statement of not one-manning maps. I’ve seen people do it before (that said, I would get my backside handed to me if I tried)
monkeylemur Not using the same unit over and over again? Alm's route is totally trivialised by Double Lion+Rescue, Bow Knight Tobin and Delthea, and Celica's route was just Valbar and Invoke soliders taking all the hits while Mae killed everything. Seriously the rest of the units were glorified moral support
my personal opinion of echeos is act 4 is realy annoying i even took a 1week break ( mainly because i got my switch and disgaea 5). my main probleme is teh danm Cantors CAN YOU STOP SUMMONING 1 MILLION MONSTERS STOP MAKING THE BATTLE TAKE LONGER!!... sorry i had to let it out of my chest
Baka1fred Honestly, Cantors are only bad on Swamp maps, everywhere else, they're a cool idea that needed a little bit of tweaking
Baka1fred I'm tired of people overreacting over Cantors. They aren't even that hard to deal with. The only map that they truly were a problem for me was that swamp one where he kept summoning Gargoyles.
Agreed. Honestly cantors were so easy to deal with. Do people not know that warp exists?
i'll admit i over reacted, sorry
Baka1fred You don't have to be sorry. We're just saying that for us personally, cantors weren't hard to deal with.
Okay, echoes is the third main fire emblem game I've been able to play, so I haven't played most of them but thanks to blaze and others I know a lot about them (thanks man you really helped my interest in the series.) I will agree with what you said the negatives are to an extent. Level design sucked, especially alm's path and the thabes labyrinth, fuck the 8th and 9th floor, and supports were meh, but story I be it rushed was still pretty good. Oh and involving Faye, still one of the worst no doubt but I just can't hate her for some reason, not sure why. Hell most the characters were better than most the characters in fates, gonna be hunted for that, with fates I just couldn't enjoy most of the characters besides the royals and azura. But really, I mostly enjoyed my time with echoes, like you said blaze it's not the best or worst, right in the middle of what I've seen of the series, just hope FE switch takes the good stuff from all the recent games and keeps the worst out.
Thank you for reviewing this game in an unbiased fashion. I'm tired of people treating this game like the next messiah. Yes, its good, but its not 100% perfect.
I give it an 8.4
Folsi Choi with any fire emblem tbh
I mean, nothing's perfect, but it is a hell of a lot closer to perfect than fates
Lord Raymond Not really. Echoes only ranges from good to average really.
Not to mention that Fates definitely more fun to play
it's fucking amazing, okay?
MCLGamin Gaiden fanboy alert
Ben Hartje HOW DID YOU KNOW????????????
MCLGaming it was a wild guess
I'm also disappointed that Faye, who has the best character design in Echoes (my opinion) has a shit personality
she is?
Cr0Nix SaV3s She's like a more annoying Camilla and Tharja, except cheerful and less Yandere
Crappy DragonKin Marth Best design? what about Celica or Zeke or Berkut they are better IMO
Yeah, at least Tharja and Camilla had something to their characters outside of their fixation on the Avatar.
Gianni Well, I think she looked adorable
Not good enough, in all honesty. Forgot the game even existed.
Personally I disagree with all your negatives but the map design. But I
even though the maps are crap, aspects like arts, no weapon triangle or pair up, and the fact you have way more maps really makes it up for me
What you said about Faye being the worst 3DS character, I fully understand why you think this (she is the only weak link in an otherwise outstanding cast), but I have to disagree. I think Corrin is far worse.
As much as I hate Faye, Peri still exists. That means he thinks Faye is worse than a literal psychopathic murderer.
He's said that he at least gets something from Peri other than the psychotic murder thing. There's more to her than just killing. With Faye, he gets *nothing* from her besides "I like Alm".
I can't explain why he prefers Peri, it's just his opinion.
Corrin was a bigger mistake.
riddy-pr
I can agree that Faye and Corrin are both equally hateful because they have no personality.
It just comes down to whether you hate someone with no personality, or you hate someone with no personality and whose existence revolves around one person.
I actually pity Faye, as opposed to hate, although I do still feel like she's the worst character in Echoes by a mile and one of the worst 3DS characters in general. I feel like she deserved FAR better writing than what she actually got. Probably due to how compelling I find her visually.
Corrin meanwhile, straight up infuriated me with their "personality" and doesn't have a good enough design to grant pity, so as a result, I just hate them.
It's kind of funny that you'd call Awakening better than Echoes when a lot of the problems you had with Echoes, Awakening has them too.
Boring maps? All of Valm and the endgame maps check off this box pretty well.
Steamrolling with one character? Gee that's like Awakening's defining feature.
Only Route and Defeat the boss missions? Yeah, I love all of Awakening's use of unique map objectives like route and defeat the boss.
Now I don't disagree that Echoes has poor level design. It's pretty bad. But I also want to point out that level design isn't just about the maps. Take the two swamp maps in Celica Act four. They play differently because of the enemy and player layout. Echoes is still not that great with mixing the same maps up because lol gaiden. And if Echoes maps feel samey(which they do) then so do Awakenings. Since all the maps there are either bum rush the boss or shit in the middle and wait until all the enemies suicide to you.
I'd probably say that their either equal or Echoes takes it by a very slight margin.
Yes they both have flaws in regards to map design, but Awakening has other aspects that put it above echoes in my opinion.
BLAZINGKNIGHT Curious to know what aspects put it above for you.
For me I think echoes is better because it has more care to the lore established. Hell it even has to expand on the stuff that Awakening brought in but failed ro explain (why Mila is a tree in the middle of Rigel, Grima and the risen). I also think a lot more passion was put into the game. Now, I know IS thought that Awakening could be their last fe game and certainly there was plenty of passion in that game but it does feel like it dies out in the middle and end of the game. Especially since Echoes knows what it wants to do and is dead set on doing it (being a true Gaiden remake even though that's not the best idea). Awakening was more of a mash on a bunch of mechanics on past fe games that made it feel flat.
What puts Awakening above echoes for is 1) I think the cast is superior even though Echoes has a wonderful bunch of characters, 2) Awakening has a better soundtrack, 3) while Awakenings maps are overall bad map design, there are a few like renewal and smoldering resistance which I really like, 4) I like a lot the mechanics awakening introduce like pair and thew support system even though they are flawed, 5) Awakening is tons of fun to play on repeat for me, which is not the case with echoes, though at the end of the day there both fantastic games.
"I think the cast is superior"
- no
Opinions, okay, but I like to hear why you think, Simmie, that "Caricatural" is worse than "Bland"? Because Yeah, Awakening is caricatural but most of Echoes is BLAND! Or Give me some Characters who aren't? Without saying Berkut of course, who's one of the best (or more accurate, one of the least bad) of that game?
I like awakening and fates but echoes is so good. i enjoyed it way more then fates. Alm and Celica are some of my fav lords in the series. its gameplay is a little clunky but the story and presentation make up for that. the villains are extremely better then fates. echoes is on my top 5 fe games.
I think there is nothing wrong with the gameplay. It doesn't try to be more than what it is, and the lack of some newer features make for new kinds of tactics and strategies to be born.
7.8 a bad score really?
Young people i don't even
For this game? Yes
Helado I swear the only reason COD games keep getting the scores they do is because Activision is paying them off.
rafresenden rafresenden. How people react to scores:
10: "It's a dream come true! I must have it! Instant buy! I can't live without it!"
9: "Pretty interesting! I'll definitely consider getting it."
8: "It's ok I guess. Maybe if I have the time or money, I might get it, but if I don't, then whatever."
7: "Not the worst thing I've seen, but it's pretty lacking. I'll pass."
6: "This just isn't for me. Not buying."
5: "This is a waste of time. Not gonna bother."
4: "This is shit."
3: "This is shit."
2: "This is shit."
1: "This is shit. Kill it with fire."
0: "This is shit. Kill it with fire & get me bleach."
rafresenden rafresenden. Well yeah the think is dating sim and waifus was the best thing ever in Fire emblem.
They gave Fates much better scores so yes, this is bad
I really liked that archers actually had proper range, 1 space away is ridiculous.
Fire emblem Echoes was very unique and amazing. Though like all games, it has some flaws. Unlike most people I didn't really have a problem the maps, no weapon triangle, dungeons, or the story. ( Though I admit sometimes it felt rushed especially in Celica's path) It was mostly about some characters and the lack of support conversations. There was some characters like the Ram villagers that should've been able to talk to each other since they are childhood friends. And then some characters were kind of dull and/or boring like Faye and Silque. You could only really know them when talking to them as Alm or Celica, but even then, you don't get too much out of them.
I played Gaiden in preparation for Echoes, and I loved every minute of that that game. While the maps aren't well designed I thought they were a lot of fun so I automatically enjoyed the maps in Echoes (even more so since they were in HD). What I was anticipating the most in Echoes was the story. The stories in old NES aren't much but there's a lot of thought put into them and Gaiden is no exception. Most of the themes in Echoes are present in Gaiden. They just need to be expended upon. I had no idea what to expect but my expectations were very high. The game went far beyond those expectations within the first few minutes after starting the game. The part that I wanted to be expanded upon the most was act 5 and more importantly the final boss. I loved the themes that result in you killing the final boss (remaining spoiler free). I give this game 10 out of 10. My favorite in the series. Sorry New Mystery of the Emblem.
Echoes is still my favorite FE by far. I've never had this much fun playing FE before. People might say it's "hype" but I seriously LOVE this game!
My main problem with FEESOV is that it fails it's theme(the way of the sword or the way of the heart ), Alm isn't ever presented as being in the wrong, and Celica gets mad at him because of her own lack of skill to argue and to present her point.
Actually now that I think about it there entire Act 2 conversation boils down to:
Celica: I'm mad at you!
Alm: Why are you mad at me? ( they just got back together and were having a moment!)
Celica: I'm mad at you BECAUSE you don't know why i'm mad at you
Alm:That doesn't sound fair...
Celica: "You...You stubborn JERK!"
8/10.
If the fused this game's handling of Story and Characters and Conquest's Gameplay, it would be perfect.
Not really. The mechanics of this game are suited to a linear style and set up
Lord Tullus 9 [Puffy Sprinkles] In like a new FE game, I mean.
Bless you for calling out Faye for what she is, jesus christ. You could literally take her out of the plot and it would not effect a single goddamn thing.
I do admit I hope they stay faithful to the characters if they remake Genealogy, but they just. Find that nice, happy medium between good supports, reworked chapters, and just how the game plays out. The only character I hope they don't change too much for personal reasons is Deirdre...she's my girl, dammit.
Back on topic of the video, though, this is a very good video. I'm still slogging through act 3 at the moment because everything's honestly really goddamn tedious. I think my favorite of the teams so far are Lukas on Alm's side (because he's the only one in the deliverance with any chill, I'm finding), and surprisingly, Mae on Celica's side (I kind of hate her armor design, but her personality is actually really light tbh? I like it). I look forward to seeing who makes your top 10, Blaze!
Sometimes it feels like some only like SoV because it's not Fates and Awakening. Down play the flaws of it has while overblowing the flaws of Fates and Awakening. I do find it annoying that some treat it like God's gift
I agree with you. I find people can be so harsh on Fates and Awakening that it becomes hard to believe. While I agree with the gripes people have, it gets to a point where its almost petty, they happened, move on. I've seen people be fine with things like the supports having minimal depth, or faye being obsessed with Alm, when these exact criticisms were blown to make Awakening and Fates sound like the coming of the Anti-Christ.
Again, there are issues I agree with, but the vehemency they go to is, in my opinion, disproportionate to the problem itself.
The things they always complain about with awakening and fates is,bad story,waifus/fan service,bland main characters,and boring gameplay. Waifus aren't even a big part of the games,you can go through fates,and awakening for the most part without getting a single s support.
MrToonlink53 same thing can be said with for any fire emblem game
People try to look like fe-veteran badasses so they hate on Awakening and Fates. That being said, Gray is better written than the entire cast of Awakening and All three paths of Fates.
+Liezuli Id Argue Maribelle or Libra are better Written And more complex than Gray Can Hope to be.
Not every character is Kellam
I honestly prefer Echoes to Conquest for story reasons. And although I agree with most things you mentioned in the video, I really enjoy the supports in Echoes and think both the supports and characters are one of the best aspects of the game.
Love the vids ☺
I would be down so hard on a Genealogy remake. I want my beautiful, fully animated Sigurd X Deidre marriage ceremony, dammit!
just remember you would also get a full cinematic of the battle of barhara
Don't you mean the correct name of the main characters, Siglud? I think people wouldn't like that if the translated name of him was that
I've used it for so long I've become accustomed to it.
Please no.
why is it that you and me agree on so many things you review... stop being good at review! wait no, stay good, theres a reason why i love your channel
4:41 "Rng in this game isn't great" is a freakin understatement, its HORRIBLE! in my personal opinion it somehow even worse then binding blade and fates rng combined. Which drove me nut during my playthrough
I'm so happy that someone shares my EXACT thoughts. I was so tired of people heralding Echoes as god's gift to Fire Emblem
mooseyluke it's not the best of all time (For me that's 7) but it's certainly better than some more recent installments
+Optimistic Otaku it was the first fire emblem game released internationally, and as a result has great nostalgic appeal for many people. the difficulty is also fairly balanced (not too easy, but not too hard either) and many characters range from colorful to realistic in personality
very mad guy I started with Awakening (like most new fans these days) but have gone back to play the older ones. 7 is phenomenal
i started with awakening as well, but was convinced to try it after watching a lets play of FE7. in a way i have nostalgic affection towards old and new that way
and then people pull the nostalgia card which doesn't fix a game's problems. kinda like genwunners
I was surprised by how good the music in this game was. It was Kirby level good, which is 9.9. However, my gripes are attuned with the forgettable maps and NO AXE CLASSES.
2 words resume this game for me,Boring and Repetitive.
i finish it today,and i don't want play this shit ever again.
art and animations are good,but boring supports and maps
repetitive gameplay.
Yeah I know
What where they thinking when designing fates
THANK YOU for calling out the comically overrated story and flawed gameplay
The game has questionable writing (I like how 80% of women get rescued)
yeah.... i probably say i didnt really like playing Echoes when i played through it. The presentation was great, the characters are nice and the story i find passable, but the gamplay just killed it for me. There are quite a lot of issues i take with the overlying gameplay but i probably only tackle the biggest problem, the maps. I'm sorry but I would rather even play revelation than actually play through echoes again. yeah, the gimmicks are annoying but at least some of the gimmicks work like the replication map. Echoes map? i honestly cant even remember a single map from this game. at least rev maps were different and actually memorable. here, they all feel the same with the design of the map feeling like it just there to waste your time.
Hey, lets have a desert map where most of the encounters is placed in a fort that has no actual desert with the only desert part is actually getting to the fort. Hey, lets have a map with a single choke-point to make players waste more turns. Hey, lets have cantors just spawn infinite enemies with that enemies being all the same class. They wont need to change strategy but it'll least make them spend more time on the game.
just oh god. I started the series from blazing sword and have even played the games that didnt even got localized such as genealogy, thracia, and sword of seals. but this is one of the rare occurrences that i didn't thought i wasn't going to beat the game. not because it was too hard, but because it was just so goddamn boring. The only other time was playing through shadow dragon. This isnt my least favorite game, that still be shadow dragon but dang if this game isnt just right behind shadow dragon.
I'm glad people were able to enjoy echoes more than i did but it ultimately didn't do anything for me. and honestly, if i see the map design of echoes in the next mainline fire emblem games as well as some of its mechanics(like freaking dungeon crawling and the encounter design in the dungeons), then intelligent system just lost me as a fan who actually buy every game in the series whenever they release a game.
so yeah, not a fan of this game XD
I found that level with the encantor on the boat to be one of my favorites. You need to rush and because it's still early that is dangerous. My favorite though is the desert level just after you get the pegasi. The duel nature of pegasi skirmishing and central fighting really is neat. I liked Echoes for how different map types make you play it very differently. You need to do a probing offensive on a fortress, or a dynamic attack/retreat on open maps or a position battle on forest. Or a careful formation in the swamp, defend the castle on the graveyard.
The maps of Echoes are the way they are for a reason. Echoes plays more like a strategic turn based strategy so the maps are more open with more broad features to accommodate that.
I was already turned away by a lot of SoV (I don't like the art design, cinematics or the story) and with the lack of replay value (for me) and old-school design, that doesn't exactly sit promising for me as a purchase. Hearing about the archaic styled maps and combat design, just makes me turn away more. It's a shame because I like a lot of the new stuff too, but it just looks so bland and boring otherwise.
I prefer Awakening for it's characters and story, and I prefer Fates for it's design and gameplay. Echoes offers me nothing I want, except a few cool concepts.
Great Job! You summarized my thoughts exactly. I have honestly found that some fans have been a bit too quick to defend this game just because it's an older entry in the series despite its flaws. I personally would give it an 8/10. I 100% agree with everything you said, keep up the good work.
What’s weird is I actually loved the gameplay, replaying it 3 times in a row within a week lmao. The characters and voice acting are what make it entertaining for me. The battles show their personality and I love the dialogue in battle
Also Berkut is one of my favorite villains after Lyon. I don’t even consider Awakening in the general ballpark of how good it was
Boi the music in this game makes me cry it's so good! Sure the game did have it's flaws but the soundtrack was GORGEOUS and I don't remember there being a single track I disliked. Which was refreshing since I only liked about 2 songs total in Fates that stood out to me as being really good. Echoes' music gave me chills it was so good.
My fav FE soundtrack
Its a 6 from me. I dont think it deserves any higher than an 8 ever. It was my least favorite FE game. I couldnt even bring myself to finish it. I didnt like any of the characters. I hated the dungeon grinding. etc
Jesus man... You gotta go back and play your favorite Path of Radiance again. I don't understand how you say you didn't feel super bored with that game with its own share of incredibly dumb pacing issues and bad and trudging map but you blame this game for all the problems that it actually handles well. And don't you dare say the story has pacing issues. Each act deals with an entirely different array of assumptions. It's a very well handled story
monkeylemur I like POR it's in my top 5 but you are so right with the maps those maps are so long and can be boring after a while
Literally no one else, including me, shares your opinion. Path of Radiance is without a doubt one of the best Fire emblem games in all aspects, although I do enjoy the story of Radiant Dawn and Echoes more than PoR, which felt a bit generic.
chapter 17 is the worst thing to ever happen to a video game period more or less :p
Face it. The maps are bad.
There aren't too many great maps.
The good indoor maps get ruined by Cantors.
They also ruin some outdoor maps.
And boat maps.
And dungeon maps.
Cantors ruin everything.
And then there's wide open fields.
Silent Eagle I actually like most of the maps. With how Echoes is set up most of the problems people have are handled by the game. The spells this game has make the problems seem less prominent.
In all honest I couldn't see Fire Emblem Echoes play like a normal FE game nor could I see it having Radiant Dawn style maps. I like most of the maps because they are focused around how the game plays.
I don't really think this story is good, for me is kinda meh, is better than fates but as you said that is not very difficult to do, Alm and Celica are very boring specially Celica And the ending is very cheassy, that stupid thing with falchion And Celica and all the dialogue was bs, also it wouldn't be great that they take some of ideas of berserk to do the next protagonist I'm very burnout of the teenager choosen one.
now I'm curious how you would improve this games story. I to think it works well, but there are certain parts that fell a bit contrived. I'll put it on my wish list for future videos.
Jack Ferring my main problem with the story was celica acting almost as dumb as corrin at a lot of points
Echoes was the first Fire Emblem game I ever played. So I literally went in with zero expectations and I’m glad I did.
Having now played all the 3DS titles, it’s still my favourite by far. It’s gorgeous visually and the music was excellent (in my opinion). It’s got a super fun cast that I really connected to!
Because I was a newbie I found the gameplay pretty fun, but totally agree about the maps! As a newbie having “boring” maps helpful initially. But now I’m more experience I can see how frustrating it would get.
I LOVE the lack of avatar and waifus/husbandos! It makes it feel more like an adventure story rather than a self insert fantasy.
I’m probably biased as it was my first but I love it despite its faults 💔 Fates in particular was a real disappointment to me, especially Conquest which had excellent maps but an awful story :(
Good game with iffy map designs.
*Excellent game with very, very slightly subpar maps
To be honest it's mainly the Act 4 maps that have some problems. The rest is okay.
SOV is still a really good game though I prefer Path of Radiance, FE7 and Scared Stones though.
SOV has a really strong cast. No denying that,
MrWanton16 I agree with that Echoes could rank at number 4 or 5 for me behind the ones you named but it has one of the best casts I put it up there right behind 7
MrWanton16 I've seen most of the maps and they look pretty damn bad.
Most of them are just too large. I find Alm's route too be slightly better overall but still even the best ones are just okay.
"I can't remember 90% of the maps in the game."
That's me and every Fire Emblem game. There are a handful of standouts but hell if I can remember the dozen or so in-betweeners without much consequence or just set in boring environments with nothing particularly special going on. I'm there to kill dudes and get good level ups to satisfy my hunger for big numbers on my team so I can kill dudes even better. I might remember vague ideas of the levels but never their accurate design. "Port town," "desert," "castle ext. night," "castle int. night," "snow," "plains 1," "plains 2," "plains 3," "plains 4," etc.
Late but I remember pretty much all of PoRs maps.. guess that what happens when your the best FE game imo
(*WARNING* - This rant is solely about the level design. I got nothing to say about everything else except they are amazing.)
The removal of the weapon triangle bummed me out. Now it's just Archers beat Mages, Mages beat everything else, and other units beat other units. It takes a lot of the strategical fun. The experience of being rewarded by using the weapon triangle to your advantage is entirely gone. This shares the same trait with the pair up and bonus damage systems. You're not being rewarded for being smart because you're given nothing to be "smart".
Some maps are also boringly designed for you to choke a point, which also makes the gameplay boring while you wait until it ends. Along with that, terrain is seemingly placed randomly across the map. When you question, "Why is there a tree here?" and "If I replace it with plains, how would that change gameplay or aesthetics?", you can see how bad the design is. Take the pillars in the Conquest chapter 27 (right before endgame). They have a purpose! You can retreat from the rooms and get defensive bonuses to have an advantage. It slows enemies so that it takes a while to go in and out of rooms, making it so you are given time before the enemy overwhelms you, and making it so that you can't just escape the room and be done with it. This applies to not only terrain, but also enemy placement and enemy skills (the latter being non-existent). The (lack of) classes is also limited, so all you will have is units playing the same exact roles. BORING. Even Birthright had this! You have enough classes to build a diverse team. It's just mage, archer, and one-range units.
Echoes also has no variety in their maps. Rout the enemy all the time. No gimmicks were added. The maps become absolutely uninteresting. There are some good maps, but I cannot stand the overuse of Cantors and movement-restricting terrain.
In all, I can't believe that Echoes would have THAT awful level design. I mean, IS should know by now that Gaiden had outdated map design and that the standards were Conquest-level. A lot of people thought it would be at least comparable to Conquest's beautiful design. Fish out of water because it fell face flat because IS couldn't be bothered to make interesting maps instead of recycling outdated af maps.
6:19 Thank you BLAZINGKNIGHT! I definitely agree, Ian Sinclair deserves it!
I've replayed Echoes three times already letting each play through play out the story. Giving the story a lot of critical thought and seeing if I personally think the story is amazing or way too hyped up. I actually really enjoyed the story despite having its shortcomings. For some reason I actually think the maps are quite fun! Especially the act one zofia's castle map. Characters were great (I like Faye come at me Faye haters) overall I loved the game, but that's because of my own personal opinions on games I can acknowledge that a game has a bad story or bad gameplay. My stance on games is I can care less about reviews if I enjoy I game and have fun playing it it doesn't matter how bad or poorly executed it is. The game is fun but everyone should be more open to other opinions despite how polarizing it is keep an open mind. Not everyone thinks a video game should have an amazing story maybe all they want is kick ass gameplay or both. (TBH that idea is really naive on the internet)
If your reading this Blazing knight I just want you to know that I do disagree with some of your opinions but I can see your side of the argument and respect them. Plus I respect you for putting up videos that the fan base gets enraged at (I won't act like I don't either) and still be be willing to post videos after the amount of hate you get. Still though I really like a lot of your content most of your top tens and how to improve the story of fates and SAO. Keep doing what you do! 😊
Thanks very much I'm glad you feel that way. Honestly while with some videos like overrated fire emblem units and worst monster hunter monsters and perfectly and understand all the hate, in this case I don't care how much hate I get from saying things like " I prefer Conquest over Echoes", since at the end of the day, it's just my opinion and I made it clear that I thought echoes was still a superb game. I guarantee if this video was exactly the same but I didn't mention what games I thought were better or worse than echoes, that dislike bar would have been significantly smaller, and even with all the angry comments I received, there were plenty of people that were really happy that I looked at Echoes from and unbiased perspective and really enjoyed this video, and if i'm able to make the majority of people who watch my videos happy, then no amount of hate will detract me from it.
SoV had a good story but yeah, it's DEFINITELY not as fun as Fates and Awakening.
To be honest I rank games based on 3 catogories. story and characters: which suck in this game. the story is forced and underwhelming. kinda like batman v superman. character s are not interesting and make bone headed decisions. Gameplay: which is boring. the removal of the weapon triangle means battles are a slow sluging fest. also as u said, there are massive inbalances with weapons. the only god improvement to the gameplay was the timeturner. the dungeons only made the problems more pronounced. design and visual: these is the best designs in fire emblem in a while.
conclusion: the game is only fun because its a fire emblem game and has the name and core.gameplay to fall back on. this game only deserves a 5. average but passable. I hate people giving this game a 9 outta 10. tales of beseria, nier, dark souls 3, persona 5 injustice 2 blazblue centra fiction. hell even overwatch outsine it in every single area. except for overwatchs story. thank god your not one of the mindless idiots gushing over this game because its got a slightly more conhsive story than awakening and fates. cohesive. Not better. awakening has emotion behind it and an actuall investing story. fates is the same as an action manga. silly but dun. this game is BORING and it shouldn't be praised for it because fire emblem will never improve otherwise. there are my thoughts. great video you're always fun to listen to.
It is a HUGE improvement from Gaiden. And based on how much dialogue the characters had in that game, the pretty much had to do their personality from scracth. The story is no way forced, only in a few little parts like Alm and Celica's fallout.
The characters feel like real people who have real problems (wanting to break out from your life, making decisions based on your beliefs or your benefits) Not everyone gets his or her happy ending. Also this game has the most charismatic villains since the Black Knight.
The gameplay is different. I can see why some people would find it boring, but it is not mindless at all. I takes a new kind of thinking and tactics. The grinding can be frustraring, but it is entirely optional. The music is top notch and well constructed. The world building is done extremely on point.
Saying this game doesn't have heart in it is downright blasphemy. A lot of work went ot it, to keep the core of the original game and to make it something more. Some things backfired but most of them was a success. The voice actors (both English and Japanese) did their best to make the dialouge feel alive.
Sure there are imbalances here and there, but then what of Awakening? Every single character was imablanced there with enormous growth rates. You could even use the weakest of weapons, and still destroy the enemy army, heck you could breeze through the game only using Robin and Chrom. Alm on the other hand would be destroyed by magic users considering his abysmal Res and Res growth.
This game is not perfect. Far from it, but keeps the essence of Fire Emblem both story and gameplay-wise. It is a love letter to the older games, but is different enough to be its own thing.
Opinions might differ regarding the game (hell I think this game has the most controversy in the franchise), some can find it boring and tedious or exciting and fun. But that doesn't change the fact that this is Fire Emblem, now one of the most succesful franchises of Nintendo and one of our personal favourites. And looking at it professionally the game is true AAA material.
I personally rate the game an 8.5/10. It has its fair share of good and bad moments, but the effort and soul that went to it cannot be denied, it really shows that the developers handled it like their own child., and truly feels like a Fire Emblem game.
I think you're mistaking simple story with a bad story and a complex story with a good story.
But you're probably just bait so...
I found the gameplay of Echoes very good. It's about keeping your units positioned well and unlike others it's actually doable. The story does have improvement points but I always feel like complaints "Characters are boring" and stuff like that is far too vague to be meaningful. I do have problems with a few scene's like their breakup made her look really selfish. Also I don't feel Alm should have been made leader so early. He should have been made leader much later, I think a good point is when Ilia becomes princess.
If anything I felt Awakening was more a slugfest because of the limited options and the strength of the traingle was so weak as to not be overly meaningful. In Awakening it's mostly just you getting to a position in the first quarter and then just stand there and take out the enemies one by one. It's strategic for the first part but after that not anymore. I feel Echoes is the opposite with starting slower with the positioning but when the battle starts it stays intrinstic throughout with the increased range of archers and the mobility of cavalry.
The thing is if a story is not cohesive than it can't really do anything. Cohesion means it pieces fit together so people feel for the characters. If a story is not cohesive it becomes meaningless. Overall I do think Awakening has the stronger gameplay but that's all it has as the incredibly lose nature makes the characters meaningless.
I feel the two are great companion pieces with Awakening being hardcore and Echoes being casual.
In regards to the story, I'm just glad a Fire Emblem game finally has a functioning story. Shadow Dragon was unmemorable, Awakening was decent at best, and I'm sure you're well aware of Fates's story at this point.
uhm...
but conquest is shit.
PyroKnight95 But, conquest has waifus and anime tropes therefore is better than Echoes.
PyroKnight95 conquest can be enjoyable if you skip the story, cuz i has a decent gameplay
Why skip the story when you can just make fun of it.
It was my 2nd FE game after Awakening, and I lived it so much more and actually got invested in the story, but as you've said, I don't have a frame of reference.
And now that I've played on house in FE3H, I think my experience as a main character is much better than in 3H. Not the story, but the avatar.
I much prefer being an actual character over a self insert. Heck, even tho Awakening isn't great I think Robin ks more of a character than Byleth
I think a lot of people are like, "This is different. I hate it." That is why they maybe don't like.
+Poinmagic 1 Then you will be surprised at how wrong you are tho :3 I started with Awakening/Fates and im always open for the older games.. And for a single playthrough I enjoyed Echoes I give the game that.. but other then that single playthrough I probably wont touch it anymore
1:35 Lacking waifus?! Did people expect Camilla again?! Most of the girls in Echoes are adorable!
Echoes was okay, not great but it does enough for me to enjoy it.
Conquest was better though, completely agree.
if you wanted to trigger some folks, you coulda switches "Good" to "Bad" lmao.
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Bandit: OR ELSE WHAT?
that aside, the mechanic has to make sense story wise since that is a power Divine Dragons only have (as of now).
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i want this artstyle permanent, i like it soo much!
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i agree: "UNKULL!!" LOL!
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yup, its to be expected. i think this (and gaiden) are the worst offenders in terms of map design in all of fire emblem. thanks for reminding us Nintendo! XD
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...you know what, you could be right. tho, i want to grind the same enemies (in dungeons only) instead of a random encounter that fuqs me up.
EDIT:
as for gameplay and story (the 3DS Games):
1) Awakening kinda shot itself in the foot for separating its game into 3 arcs. i forgave it since i wasn't as pissed off at the story. but Gangrel should have been the main antagonist for the entire game. and Walhart's motivation, it makes total sense (we played Echoes, we know why), but he should have been recruited after he was defeated the 2nd time to defeat Gangrel.
also Cervantes and Excellus reminds me of Massena and Jedah lul.
2) Fates story is the absolute worst in FE history. this is what happens when you make gameplay 1st then shove the story to fit the gameplay. the majority of the time, it will not work & it didnt work here. Birthright > Revelations > Conquest, but that's not saying much.
3) Echoes fleshed out the barebones that Gaiden had, and it turned up well. a battle between a world of Gods vs a world without it. the story is prolly up there with Blazing Blade, etc.
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1) Awakening & Fates' gameplay is one of the best (and the most broken) in the series for the huge amount of combinations the Gen1 + child units can have.
2) Echoes again is just a remake of the NES game in the modern era. i can give it some leeway since they added the Forging AND Weapon Arts in this game to tolerate the bad and sometimes unfair map designs in the game. if this game was a new entry to the series, i would definitely criticize its terrible map design.
and as for Faye (again), well since i already typed alot about this in the recent podcast video, i'm just gonna TL;DR this:
Tharja > Faye > Camila > Peri
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fkamui corrin One word: hype
Oh boy we get to talk about SoV.
*heavily breaths*
Joy.
Positives:
- Decent soundtrack
- Mostly good visuals
- FANTASTIC voice acting
- Some neat ideas
- Decent Story
- An ok cast of characters (highlights are Gray, Mathilda, Alm, Catria, Saber, Delthia and Tatiana)
OKAY NOW FOR THE BULLSHIT:
- While the in-game models look fine. Cutscenes that use these models often look incredibly stiff and awkward (particularly the faces). This is most glaring with the scene where Alm first fights Berkut.
- The voice acting actually makes the in-game cutscenes look even more stilted as the characters often just have their mouths open while the actors are talking and it looks REALLY bad.
- The cast as you've mentioned suffers deeply from bare-bones supports that do little to help their personalities.
- 2 Characters that stand out as really bad to me are Celica and Clive
Celica starts off ok...
Until she first meets up with Alm and acts like an irrational jackass towards him for no reason as the scene could've been set up without the conflict (Like she telling Alm that she has to go to the Temple of Mila and if Alm questions Celica, she explains that the reason she has to do so is something that has to be kept as a secret and she tells Alm not to inform anyone that she is hiding something, Alm agrees and they wish each other good luck).
And she falls for Jedah's trick....Somehow. And seeing how these events affect the overall story, these problems only become more glaring.
And Clive.
Lets see, Gaiden level growths and Mathilda outclasses him very quickly.
And he then begins thinking if Alm becoming the leader of the Deliverance was a bad idea when he thinks Alm isn't Mycen's grandson essentially thinking Alm should be thrown off due to his fucking status. Even though he told Clair, his fucking sister, that people should'nt be judged by royalties.
(also see these as things you should have brought up to elaborate when talking about the unnatural actions instead of just saying they exist and moving on)
- The level design. I would go on a rampage and say how i would say this game's level design is the slightly better Megaman X6 from the games i've played, but you've said everything i could say and i can't add anything about it.
- Fatigue. Why is this in the game?
Legit, it means absolutely nothing in dungeons until the last one due to its length and lack of temples to restore stamina easily and then it becomes a massive inconvinence (i know there is an optional dungeon before the final one but honestly, i grabbed Duma's Lance and left immediately after that so idk how long it is).
- The issue with the soundtrack is the theme that plays when initiating a battle against normal enemies. Not only do Alm and Celica's themes differ so little that it's essentially the same fucking theme, but it plays for 90% of the whole game whenever you initiate a battle and it loops from the beginning EVERY SINGLE TIME UNTIL THE LAST FUCKING DUNGEON IN THE GAME.
- Enemy Dread Fighters. Get fucking shanked.
- If i had a penny for every time I missed a 89-99% chance of hitting or the enemy lands a fucking 10% or they land a 1% crit while i fail to crit with 50% or higher.
I would have the money to buy a Switch, PS4 and the special editions of FE Warriors and MvCI. And if i asked them to double the price
- And as you also mentioned, there is very little replay value.
So what are my overall thoughts on the game?
While i don't hate this game and had some fun with it and it's story was an improvement over the last 2 games.... (Which is saying something coming from someone who liked Awakening and Fates' stories)
It becomes a case where i say "oh great, you've improved on something i can skip with a press of the start button while fucking up the thing i cannot skip and is the thing i mainly play video games for. THANKS"
It's hardly enough to make up for the huge issues with the gameplay.
Honestly, after i finish my 2nd playthrough i doubt i will ever revisit this game.
So my final verdict is (and i REALLY didn't want to do this) a 5/10.
I think this is the worst of the 3ds titles and i think Birthright and Awakening are better places for newcommers to start off with and Conquest is better for experienced players. (Also i think both games' soundtracks and casts were far better)
But ultimately what you people end up liking and where you start from is all up for you to decide and im just giving out my opinion on the matter.
(not trying to shield myself from critique, i'm just not trying to be super objective about everything is all i'm saying)
So now that i'm done with all that i want to give my 2 cents on the whole issue with having characters that are obsessed with the main character issue people have.
Honestly, im fine with them as long as they have 2 things and they are why i think Camilla is the best out of her, Tharja and Faye.
1. Camilla has a good reason for being attached to Corrin. That being that she her mother never provided her with no love through most of her childhood and became showered Corrin with love to help fill in the emptyness in her heart.
And 2. She has character outside of being obsessed with Corrin. Most notably, her motherly nature to her allies (most obvious in her supports with her siblings). (i'm sure there are other things i'm missing but i can't recall them now since i haven't played Fates in a while so if someone knows any other personality traits Camilla has then please inform me)
Tharja and Faye lacked at least one of these traits
Tharja had a character aside from being obsessed with Robin (Being antisocial and sadistic but still willing to help others such as Nowi). But she had no reason to obsess over Robin in the first place.
And Faye had a reason for being obsessed over Alm (I think it was because Alm once saved her life and i think she mentions it in a certain village if you talk to her i can't recall when it happened someone please clarify for me)
But she didn't have much character outside of her obsession with Alm aside from acting a little rude towards Silque.
Again, I don't have an issue with characters being in love with the protagonist.
Just do it right and that is all im asking for.
Fire emblem echoes 9/10 a good fire emblem remake with bad maps,some moments are force, and bad dlc but hey it's still good
I personally really like "Echoes." I don't think it's the best 3DS game (it's second to "Awakening," in my humble opinion) but I had a lot of fun with it. The only thing I wasn't too sold on were the maps, which tended to be pretty open and barren until you started to approach the endgame, and I wasn't hugely into the dungeon crawling. I feel like they maaaybe could've overhauled the levels a bit more to make them more interesting but, hey, that's just my humble opinion.
Loved the writing and the characterisation, though.
I think the lack of supports is more of a budget/time issue, as this game was kind of made on a tight schedule
might also explain why side objectives and examines have no voice acting
This video sums up my thoughts on Echoes perfectly. I liked it, but i always felt kinds iffy. It didin't really give me that feeling Awakening gave me.
Za Ali Elitist
Kay Faraday No,I call him "elitist" because he insult people who like awakening and fates.I like the old and new games,please dont get me wrong
What "feeling"?
It's the anti-Fates
Fates had good map design but it's (mostly) boring cast made it kind of suck and hard to care about the characters, in fact, they couldn't do Owain right, all though I like Elise
echoes has great characters on the flipside but monatonus gameplay
Fates has a mixed bag tbh. Some are really goof lile Saizo and some are bad like (Birthright) Xander.
I completely agree with pretty much everything you said. Nice to see an FE youtuber that doesn't praise Echoes just because "Fates sucks". By the way, there are bad FE games. They're called FE1 to FE5 (in my opinion).
17:55 An FE6 remake would be cool, but you know what would be amazing? If they combined FE7 and FE6 into one epic game! I really hope they do this instead of just dedicating one game to Roy's story. I want to know what happened to Lyn and others so bad!
Boi no one is gonna take you seriously if you think GENEAOLOGY is a bad game! It is amazing! Also, you come off as a bit hypocritical. "Everyone should stop calling Fates a bad game, but I'm allowed to call FE 1-5 bad games".
FE4 might have been good when it came out, and I appreciate for everything it did for the series (skills, weapon triangle, marriage, etc.), but it didn't age well at all, and it's got way too many issues, mostly balance issues to be called a ¨good game". Like you may have seen in my conversation with Zerk in this comment section, having a nice story doesn't excuse the bad gameplay.
I'll be honest, I haven't played FE1, FE2 (though I have seen playthroughs and... yeah, those games suck), FE3 and FE5.Admittedly, I just applied inductive reasoning because I've heard people say FE4 is the best game in the series and it sucks ass, and if THAT is supposed to be magnum opus of the FE's creator, then I assumed that the first 5 FE games sucks. Someday I'll play FE3 and FE5 to see if my assumption was true though (no, I won't play FE1 and FE2 cause I already watched gameplay of them and I know they suck).
How is that hypocritical? Though Fates's story sucks, it is indeed a great GAME. You really need to start separating your weird resentment against fan service and your hate for Fates's story from the actual gameplay itself, you know. I understand why you hate them, but that's no reason to hate on its gameplay just because of that, especially when they do not affect it.
+SSBBFalco But I DON'T like the gameplay. Birthright is pathetically easy and boring as hell, Revelations has extremely bad map gimmicks, and only Conquest is alright, I guess. Plus, I hate the pair-up system and the removal of the old support system. And you are telling ME to stop hating on Fates, while you think it is perfectly okay to hate on Geneaology. Here's a tip; I don't like Geneaology just for its story. I like it for its huge, sprawling maps with long chapters with many events going inside of them. I like it for its great gameplay, despite its age. And meanwhile, YOU judge games YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED! I stand by my point that Fates sucks on ALL fronts, except for Conquest's gameplay.
Just so you know, I never said that Fates was perfect. As you said, Birthright's map design is dull and easy, though not as bad as Echoes's. Revelation... Now, those maps are kind of subjective, cause they're indeed gimmicky, but that doesn't mean they're bad. I personally don't like the gimmicks, but most (keyword: MOST) of them are well designed. It's ok that you don't like the pair up system, but calling it bad? Yeah, no. The pair up system, whether you like it or not is not bad design at all. Yeeeah, you literally hating on a game because they removed the freaking support system you like sounds like a really personal reason, a dumb one at that if you're specifically talking about just the conversations because they don't affect the game.
I never, EVER said you should stop hating on Fates. Anyone can hate on Fates or any other game, and that's not any of my fucking business,. But there's a big difference between hating on a game because you don't like, which is fine, and hating on a game and saying it downright sucks even though it's well designed. The latter one is ignoring facts and it just makes you sound like an entitled little bitch. I call FE4 a bad game, which it is, because of its immense design issues. Me hating it or loving it because of that, is a personal thing, and that is respectable. I LOVE playing Smash Bros. Brawl competitively, but I just can't ignore the facts and say "oh, it's a great competitive game" cause it isn't! What makes a fighting game great competitively is its balance, and Brawl has way too many unbalanced bullshit to call it a good competitive game!
Yeah, my bad, I shouldn't have said that since I haven't personally played all of those games. However, I don't think I'm wrong. I know for a fact that 3 out of 5 of those games are badly designed, so what I claimed doesn't sound that far fetched. But until I play those game, then yeah, I shouldn't just say they're bad.
FE Elitist spotted.
6:46 That's one heck of an exaggeration. Tharja abused her own daughter, put a sniffling curse on whoever her husband is, and put a curse on Robin, the one who she's supposedly in love with (her love confession is also a death threat)
EDIT: I finished playing this game and I can safely say Faye isn't bad at all. She's not the best, but still not deserving of being called something like that
Echoes is an awesome game! But some of the medals makes you do so many tedious things.... ._.
I agree with pretty much everything u said. I believe u were a little harsh on the support conversations but whatever. I’d say my ranking of the 3ds games for me are BR
Am I the only one who didn't think Faye was that bad? I mean she won't be on any top ten lists but I didn't think she was horrible.
I....dont know what it is but i HATE Echhoes. And what do i hate the most? Celica. I dont know why but Celica makes e extremly angry and is one of the reasons that i NEVER finished this Game.
If echoes was just Alm's route it would be one of the best fe stories
i honestly really didnt like echoes at all with its boring and repetitive maps, how it feels like a jrpg but with fire emblem combat, lack of supports, grinding, how it looks worse than fates (artstyle wise imo), how the pacing goes to shit in chapter 3, lack of replay value, and how archers are just the most broken thing in the game (especially leon)
the only improvements i like is that the gameplay feels a bit more fluid with animations and stuff and how everything is fully VAed (which is something ive wanted ever since fates) and the better translation than fates (which fates really shat the bed in some areas but wasnt horrible imo)
id honestly replay awakening and conquest FE7 and like almost every other game over this one
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#JustPlayGiaden
Hollow :D *Gaiden
+Darth R0xad Haha, I knew someone would comment that. Go to the time marker in my comment and look at the way the BLAZINGKNIGHT spelled Gaiden.
There's a reason I put that time marker there lol.
Hollow :D Yeah, that mispelling annoyed me too.
I was caught off guard by it lol.
So...
#JustPlayGiaden
bro.
I can't say that I agree with most of your criticisms, but this is a good video. I may be completely biased since I love Echoes, but most people tend to be too harsh on everything in general.
Also, Faye wasn't *that bad.* 😅
LOL Blazingknight, you told that Faye is bad but... she is just non-royal Camilla :v
+Lucas Canuto Not to defend Camilla too much(I still hate her) she does have at least a tiny bit more personality and backstory then Faye
yeah I need to agree with that, but doesn't make them so diferent tho, at least to me
It is very good, if flawed in some areas. Faye worst girl.
There, didn't take me 20 minutes to say it. :p
The thing I disagree about is that awakening and conquest were better.