Why You Should Play Fire Emblem Echoes Shadows of Valentia
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This is a video where I explain why you should give the newest Fire Emblem game a chance. I am not by any means saying it is a perfect game without faults, but in this video I highlight the good aspects of it.
#fireemblem #nintendo #gameplay
This is the video I’ve been working on for the past week. Let me just get one thing straight, I am by NO means saying that Echoes is a perfect game, or that it is without any faults. In this video, I just highlight the positive experiences I’ve had with the game, in an attempt to dispel some of the negativity I’ve heard from some reluctant members of the community. I know that Echoes is generally well received at this point, but I still felt like making this video to really express my gratitude over how much of an amazing experience this game has given me.
That being said, I have considered doing a “Why You Should Play” series for some of the other games in the series as well. What games would you be interested in seeing me apply this format to?
Mangs great job on the video
Mangs PLEASE do a thracia video even if for the pugi memes
Why You Should Play Thracia 776 (ft. ModelOmega, if possible)
You can try starting from the first game you played which was FE7. Or do it chronologically, meaning start from FE4. Btw, well done on this video. Echoes indeed got the spirit of the classic Fire Emblem, and it was so beautifully remastered.
Why you should play FE genealogy of the holy war
I think ign lost all its credibility when they complained about to much water being in Pokémon alpha sapphire
@Juve Boy Because the excuse is fucking stupid. Why mention too much water in the remake when the Original had the same amount of water that they didn't complain about
@@skateboardmd9163 they're full of hypocrite
They did the exact same thing to Majora’s Mask.
Its been three years since this game came out. My first Fire Emblem. Dear God what a fantastic game for me to start with. This one journey, solidified my love for this franchise.
Coming from someone who started off with Awakening: Echoes is AMAZING! This is the best FE title on the 3DS. Though I have yet to beat the game at the time of this comment, I love what I've experienced: the story, the characters, the world. All of it feels so alive to me and that's something that neither Awakening nor Fates (or any of their DLC) could pull off.
My only complaint is with the aggressive stance enemy units take. I'm fine with it later when units are more defined, but early on, it can be a problem trying to raise up weaker units.
Anyways, great vid and I agree completely; if you love older FE titles, but want an update (graphically, character-wise, etc.), get this game.
I mean, I wouldn't say it's perfect by any means, but the devs did a good job playing the hand they were dealt. They managed to create an extremely polished game that's accessible/appealing to modern fans without just telling Gaiden's story with Awakening/Fates gameplay. While there are certain mechanics that I think show their age I at least respect that the developers aimed to create an updated version of Gaiden from the ground up rather than making a totally different game that tells the same story.
i like the examine and talk feature when you reach villages or other places, really adds to the world building previous fe's had not done before
ripped into ign like 3 times gotta say I like this game so much better then anything from fates and thanks to the fact there are no bloody children I can actually do an iron man run without losing 2 units at a time
Just picked up the game today! So far I’m loving it!
Awesome vid, will be showing it to any friends who aren't already about to kill me for how much I've been gushing over this game. My brother too should be playing it (he's started with Awakening and Fates despite me hounding him over the years to play the older games when they were current) but its not the absence of avatars or waifus that's turning him off, but the magic system. I don't think you touched upon it too much in your vid, so is there anything you can say to assuage him about the hp draining mechanics he abhors? I've told him over and over that its hardly noticeable and easily managed, but he's not convinced....
Damn, shots fired at IGN, I love it
*7.8/10 intensifies*
*2.2/0 intensifies*
maximiliano rozas can't spell Ignorant without Ign
Well, reviewers usually have a limited time to review a game and this game really loves wasting your time sometimes. So I'm not suprised about the lukewarm review scores.
what its more impressive than the score itself is what they said, they complained about things like no marriage and children, that it was too hard, they complained about permadeath (in a fire emblem game WITH casual mode lol) and also that if u lost too many units the game was unbeatable, like, no shit sherlock... they are just stupid
Why you should play it? Because you can help me fight bullies!
As long as I get over the fact that you sound like someone who talks about pies in a support conversation a bit too much.
-/voiceactressreference
Genny, the Anti-Bully Ranger Sure, I'll help you fight bullies.......
Once you get that base 1 defense up
I want to level Defence, but the bullies are stopping me!
"No one likes a bully"
Genny 2017-
Tag Agim Morina in this
PSA: NEVER listen to ign. They hardly ever know what theyre talking about nd most of the time, the reviewers absolutely suck at playing the games theyre reviewing. If anything, IGN should inspire you to ether try the gane anyways or look for better review sources.
Your only saing that since they gave Echoes an 7.8 pretty sure last year you guys were all over them for giving fate high score while bad mouthing gamestop for giving conquest a 7, ya'll all fake.
Micahl Taylor Nah, IGN scores, or reviewing site scores from 1-10 in general, should not be your measuring Stick nowadays. also watch their Awakening """""""tutorial"""""""
lookslikedekulink eh I am good I play Awakening so much I don't need a guide.
Micahl Taylor No,like actually watch it,they have NO idea what they're talking about (EX:Have your low level units lower the enemies health and then have Fredrick kill them off.)
Micahl Taylor definitely not. They seriously never know what theyre talking about. Their awakening guide is a prime example.
Amazing video bro, the story telling and voice acting are so good that it almost makes up for the bad map designs and it saddens me that this game got hit with poor sales as it might let Nintendo & IS to have second thoughts about remaking Genealogy of the Holy War or Binding Blade. I wish some people gave it a chance instead of dismissing it just based on the new mechanics it lacks. I hope this video convinces them also at the end you should have included that classic clip from IGN where she says "Just move in Frederick to kill weakened units" LOL
Thanks man.
And yes, not including IGN's tutorial was a big missed oppertunity.
Um, it's been the best selling thing in Japan recently.
And it seems to be doing well here, given how everyone is coddling it and neglecting to mention its *extremely* glaring flaws. For what it's worth, it kinda deserves a mediocre score because the plot etc. don't make up for the maps. They just *don't*, and I don't know if I'll ever find the miraculous kindness to forgive them for Thabes, which brought down the entire experience tenfold. Celica also starts behaving really unreasonably toward the end of act 4, and the art isn't all good. I mean, *look at Alm's fucking face in the CG where he kills Rudolf.*
Dude this lace is swarm with older fans dont bad talk the game they think is a real fire emblem game.
Pheonixmaster1 bad maps? lmao no kiddo
>lmao no kiddo
>>>>lmao no kiddo
Gaiden puts FE13, the bad part of Fates, the worst parts of FE7 through 9 and FE4 to shame in terms of poor design.
He's very much right on that front.
This Video gets a 7.8/10
too many boats on water
No shipping or avatar
No Pair up
wasn't a thrilling masterpiece in writing like Fates
You forgot too much water and too much fire. Not to mention no pairing up with your best friend's future or instantly grown up children
the last line killed me
Hype boring gameplay and story
I still havent finished it.
Moral of the story: IGN know shit all about the Fire Emblem series.
Want an example, watch their UA-cam guide to Awakening. They tell you to grind up Frederick because he's a prepromote, forgetting he's a Jagen.
Carlos R
Since when does anyone at IGN know anything period?
They were always braindead.
Carlos R I stopped trusting them because of Kingdom Hearts.
This is the company that called shadows of Valentia SHADES of valentia. SHADES.
Vootbi
Of course they don't proofread their articles, that would require an IQ over 6.
#JustPlayEchoesBro
DaveWAMWLeon YEE !
DaveWAMWLeon #JustplayGaydenfuckers
#JustPlayShadowsOfValentia / #JustPlaySoV
Echoes is the subtitle name for the series of remakes they're going to be making. The Binding Blade, Path of Radiance, and any other remake they'll be making will be under the subtitle of Echoes.
qwerty asdf Already knew that
qwerty asdf
Can't wait for
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Magvel
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Elibe
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Bern
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Grannvale
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Tellius
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Akaneia
A well structured video that cuts the bullshit and gives us the truth, I agree on all fronts that Mangs talked about; Echoes is by far one of the best FE games in a long time, and is trying to compete with my personal top 3 games in the series.
But uh... Don't buy the DLCs. They cost more than the game itself for less than 50% of the content.
*Don't buy the pass
I'll pick up Rise of the Deliverance. Story DLC I'll support, but nothing else (though Cipher pack can be considered, if you're into those dudes)
stefanfr13 awakening and fates' DLC actually costs more than SoV's, believe it or not
stefanfr13 awakening and fates' DLC actually costs more than SoV's, believe it or not
well they were distributed over time,
oh yeah DLC feels completely unnecessary on this one
buy the game for camus or zeke
same people
animefan 64 You mean sirius
SuperDash lmao
animefan 64 seriously though is it ever explained how Camus got from archanea to the west coast of Rigel
Donald Trump I don't remember
Donald Trump Yes it is
I can honestly say after playing 11+ games in the series, this one has the least amount of flaws and hiccups compared to the rest.
Nagare Ryouma, what do you mean! I can't pair up Faye with Alm to get a terrible Yandere ending!! ^^
@@AlphaSections I'd say it's better that way because that way Alm's relationship with his loved one can be properly developed buuut...well it didn't happen, just a few key encounters with Celica, and that I could assume Alm and Celica only grew up thinking about each other because Alm only had Faye and she's a little weird, and Celica had no one, but aside from that I felt the main protags couple lacked more chemistry on-screen, and the ending scene was just....too rushed for me lol.
Game sure has its bad sides... But the possitives VASTLY outnumber those, I did enjoy old GBA games, I really liked Awakening and Fates cause it was what got me into series more or less, but Echoes is by far my fav game of the series, its just really good, only thing i worry about a bit is that people say its rather short, so I wonder how short exactly does that mean
Also, TL;DR version of this review - Fuck IGN, they know nothing
Galax94cz To put it into perspective using my own experiences: Nearly 50 hours to complete conquest on hard alongside some dlc. I'm about 49 hours or so in Echoes on hard. I still have to beat Duma and chapter 6 dungeon. So all in all its length heavily depends on your play style.
>*vastly*
Pros:
Nice Art (except sometimes)
Nice Story (except sometimes)
Berkut's wonderful voice
Cons:
Awful maps
0 thought into HM stat inflation
Dull, uninspired weapon abilities
The weird disparity between stat inflation and gaiden promo gains resulting in FE7 promo gains.
The entirety of Thabes, and I'd say this counts for 25 cons by virtue of being the *worst thing in the history of anything ever*.
Skirmishes making backlogging a pain in the ass.
General removal of abusable stuff that made Gaiden bearable, but only in return for a faster engine.
At least if they'd tried and failed, I could say they tried. But they didn't even *try* to make this game more than a blatant cashgrab.
Felix Harman If thats how you see it, sure, your opinion, but thats also all to that, i dont see it as that and i know much more people that would heavily disagree with what you said, as most of the cons you mentioned have easy workaround. One i know for certain though, its a lot of things, but cashgrab isnt one of them
Why you should play Echoes? Clair, Clair and Clair
i think you mean MATHILDA
i think you all mean saber
Vegeta, Prince of Saiyans why are you laughing that was not a joke
That's not how you spell Gray.
To be fair claire actually had a character arc, mathilda didnt really, still a good character
revelations getting a better score than dark souls 3 pfft
Tizi scores are convoluted in this world
Tizi DkS 3 is what people think Echoes is. A shameless nostalgia grab that reuses mechanics with little change. **sigh** Even 2 has it's good parts what went wrong.....
Tizi What do you expect? They obviously paid the reviewer to give them a high score. See why it sold like hotcakes...cheaters.
FiendIII_Thomas Kaine I don't know if that's fair. Nintendo certainly does their share of payouts for reviews and they are way more guilty of it than fromsoft which was considered a nothing company before dark souls 1. Sure Bandai and from soft probably shelled out the money to not get a crap review but the nostalgia and flashy boss fights earned it it's score even though it's pretty flawed for what a souls game is meant to be.
FiendIII_Thomas Kaine Actually the reason Fates sold well was because Fire emblem became popular due to the success of awakening and it's marketing. Most people won't even care for review scores because people would still play what they like
The writing in this game is phenomenal.
Also, I can vouch for being able to beat the game on hard classic without excessive grinding. The post game dungeon however, might be a different story lol.
Same, I'm stuck at that one map with those three water dragons. My team can barely take *one* to *half* health.
+ThePirateGuitarist,
Not gonna lie, I had completely forgotten about that mechanic x) I'll try that, thanks! :D
VonFirflirch Mage Ring on Delthea shrekts those guys
The post game dungeon offsets an already highly mediocre game by being what is easily the worst designed area in ALL OF FIRE EMBLEM EVER.
This is including notorious chapters like Genesis, that dumb archer fort, Maniac Mode Chapter 4, Jerme's PFoD etc.
It almost outright forces the player to grind, and everything on the entire chapter massively, *massively* relies on luck. You need blessed units to even stand a chance versus not Grima, but the generic fucking enemies, they cover the entire map and are fucking ridiculously bulky, deal literally insane damage (28 magic enemy sage with sagittae in a game where the strongest enemy mage you ever fight is Jedah up til that point) and worse yet the reinforcements in the final encounter are TOTALLY RANDOM. You get unlucky? RIP. Even worse? No save points. In the entire dungeon. You have to go through the entire stupid dungeon AGAIN. If you enter a generic encounter from floor 6 onwards, you're not fucked but you can kiss your turnwheel uses goodbye and if you don't have enough of those for Grima then lol.
Sorry, IS, but no matter how sexy Berkut sounds this isn't salvageable at all. (Oh, and all but 2 rooms in that dungeon get reused at least, it's lazy as fuck technically as well.)
Felix Harman Aren't most post-game dungeons like that? Providing a serious challenge to people wanting more? Yes my 3DS went flying a few times because I got raped by a fucking random OP villager in Thabes on my first try (thank Mila for the turnwheel), but I never expected anything from that dungeon to be easy to begin with. And one evacuation halfway is often enough to strenghten your units enough for the entire dungeon should you feel underleveled, something I hardly call grinding. I actually made it to the seventh floor with three promotable units (Paladin, Myrmidon) before having to return due to a full convoy.
But I agree on the design aspect. For a dungeon called a "Labyrinth", it is stupidly lineair and repetitive in design. A few more different chambers or hidden chests would be appreciated.
this game is worth playing if only because the story is one of the best directions to take FE Stories from here on out, and the characters are such an improvement over fates and awakening, being almost fully 2 dimensional. if the next game has marriage, fine. if it has a 3 way story, fine. But please, IS, use THIS as the inspiration for the writing and not the last 2. while the last 2 games arent really bad in some aspects, this level of effort deserves to be given to the writing from here on out, and there is almost no excuse not to do it properly now.
dunno bout everyone elses opinions. but for what its worth, I refuse to believe that there cant be an FE game with good gameplay and a good story. this may not be it, but it is a MUCH better direction than before.
Okay then so how about they forgo the story completely and just take it in the direction they did Conquest. If it's a choice between good gameplay and good story, which it currently is shaping up to be, I think good gameplay is what it boils down to.
In the article where the creators of FE talk about a potential advance wars recently, they say "it will be hard to bring in character relationships in advance wars" In other words, its too late, waifu shippings have been ingrained deep inside them. So the next games are definitely not gonna use this as inspiration.
i think it's worth noting that the next main fire emblem title will be directed by the same director as echoes (who didn't direct awakening or fates) so it'll probably have a similar direction to this
Really? where was this?
Echoes writing, with conquest gameply with Tellius story telling.
7.8/10 my ass.
"Fates had an emotional and engaging story"
"I can't play matchmaker anymore"
Someone needs to start hiring people at IGN with an IQ over 6.
And yes, Mila's turnwheel is great thing, cause for those who want to play on Classic but dont have time or want to worry about restarting everytime cause of single bad RNG roll now CAN DO THAT...
Right, Ghast?
Galax94cz I'm a fe player that started with awakening that played the older games
best feature I ever used in a fire emblem game
Yea, I still think people use it way less often than they should, especilly considering how often you can miss a 90% or get critted by low% in this game, its there, you get charges, something goes bad and might cause problem if you continue, just rewind it, dont worry about using tools you got from the game
Galax94cz I use it when I mess up big time
Galax94cz I use it way too much in the post-game dungeon.
familyplayer1 same
Does mangs need to put clair in every video
Yes
Mangs will you be mad if i say mae is bae
Mathilda > Clair
Come at me.
Gormotti _ Driver and boey is our boy
maaan this game is by far the best fire emblem game Ive players so far (Ive played only fates and awakening so please dont kill) , seariously the story, the presentation, the MUSIC (im by chapter 4 right now, my god i love the overworld theme), im a big RPG fan so random battles dont really bother me (except for the ambush things in the overworld thats bad, can get some of your characters killed with no way to fix it unless you restart and maybe you where doing something and you didnt save) but still this game is awesome, i would definitely buy it if they bring things like this in the future. i can see why ghast was saying justplaygaidenbro.
So how is this going? Played more FEs?
I'm already sold on the game. I just need money to actually get it.
best tip: never trust ign
good day friends
true
What do you mean Hans was evil? Hans was the true hero of Fates
Yeah, Corrin really had to go............Stupid plot armour.
mangs... I was a day one buyer
AND IM STILL FARTHER THAN YOU NENENENENENNENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENENEEE
He's not going for a fast run, since he's in it for us to watch, too fast and others may fall behind
i hope you know i was joking
Because if you don't, you're going to make a Norwegian man cry
its one of my favorite FE games that's for sure with 2 of my favorite Lords of FE in it so I agree with it be a great game and I know FE16 Switch is gonna be amazing much more unique FE game as stated from recents interviews especially when the Echoes director is doing the game it restore my hope for the series!
MetalGear Lamia couldn't say it better myself!
Basically, Echoes is Gaiden but with more character, better graphics, and faster gameplay. I'd say it's the better way to see Valentia, but still holds some of the issues of the original. The maps are still complete ass, Celica and Alm's relationship feels just messy, and Cantors are still annoying. A new thing is the little quake ability shared by like two enemies. It just can cause some annoying turn wheel uses. The Mila's Turnwell is amazing!!! I'd say pick it up, but it isn't a masterpiece like as sold in the video.
Reagino, they removed all the fun shit from Gaiden tho. Like, remember OP falcoknights and infinite range warp and the broken speed ring?
I miss those.
TheDealSealer Really? I only played to act 3 of Gaiden. They should have removed it then cause it's annoying af.
Felix Harman Stfu brit
TheDealSealer I haven't play on Lunatic yet, but it's probably like POR maniac mode hell.
I recently started playing Echoes and I'm nearing the end of the game. So far, it's has been an amazing game and experience. I'm relatively new to the franchise as my first game was Awakening and Fates was my second. But playing through this game has given me a new look to Fire Emblem in general and I'm curious about playing the older games. Also, amazing video Mangs!
Somehow the absence of Weapon Triangle makes this game more interesting.
You did a great job in this video, Gotta say, now I REALLY want to play this game.
Mangs, now with Echoes release, how would you rank your top 5 favourite games in the Fe series? :D
You get a like man. I havent played any other FE titles, so as a fresh player into the series, I think it's awesome and the problems dont make the game boring
Fire Emblem Echoes: An emotional and engaging journey
I'm hesitating with this game because of the nostalgia fans, tbh. I'm sick of getting shit on for enjoying Awakening and Fates.
Bless you, Mangs. I'm sending this to all my friends that are skeptical of SoV
Delthea is my favourite character in Echoes so far ^^
#sorrynotsorry
wooooould yoooouuuuu pleeeease SHUUUUUUUT UUUUUUP?!
I like her because she doesn't sound obnoxious, despite being the youngest character in the game. x)
I feel shivers down my spine thinking about how her japanese VA probably is -SQUEEKY!!!!!!-
I like her too, great character and a splendid nuke in the same form as Lute in Sacred Stones. Don't hate her just because she's a loli
Loli chan is op. That damage she can do
paie85 Delthea is the Mae of Alm's route.
While the writing was definitely a step up, it still wasn't anything spectacular, just a generic chosen one does some things plot. Something I find massively annoying about the new additions to the story namely the new themes end up getting rendered completely pointless by the end for spoilery reasons. The "Men are not judged by the station of their birth, but by their actions" theme Echoes had going on. Also Celica's behavior in act 4 was eh. Also I find it hypocritical of her to go off on Alm for violently responding to Rigel, which she herself just violently dismantled a pirate kingdom.
Pretty much all the optional characters barely have any lines. However, yeah, the voice acting did make the characters come alive. Berkut in particular in act 5.
I honestly rarely found myself using combat arts, save for a few. In my opinion they should have been tied to characters rather than weapons, and unlocked just like spells were. The fatigue system was pretty pointless, considering how easy it is to mitigate it. The class system was a huge step back from Fates.
Gameplay wise, it's a huge step back, trading complex maps, clever enemy placement and skills for just flat out boring maps, summon spam, forced encounters, maps that are mostly swamp, and other questionable decisions. Witches in particular are particularly bullshit saturated. Rather than balance teleport, IS just made witches retarded, and their actions completely random. Also, the ambush mechanic is basically ambush spawns with AIDS. Also, the postgame dungeon is stat inflation up the ass. Basically anything that doesn't start as a mercenary is not going to be viable in the postgame, as for some reason only dread fighters can revert to a villager to keep raising stats to actually be useful.
Good artwork, voice acting, and writing can only take a game so far, they don't make up for a boring routfest, visually unappealing maps, and dated gameplay mechanics. Birthrout? Gaiden did it first, except the maps are boring to look at too.
Due to the near total lack of replay value, it's unlikely that I'm going to go through the whole game again, and I already finished Hard/Classic, and the bonus dungeon.
Only the required characters play a role. The optional ones only get mila/town conversations and a few supports. They really don't matter beyond their recruitment sadly enough.
The only issues I had with the central story was how stupidly naïve celica is and I was a bit annoyed with Mathilda's prison scene with her weak depiction.
The middle single tile river was stupid. The rest of the terrain looked fine.
I agree with the rest though. This game is awesome, even if a bit short.
not only that but Celica is supposed to be a protagonist yet she's not a key character for the plot to be resolved. Even without her Alm can solve everything, he unites Zofia and Rigel by both his actions and blood, he gets the divine Falchion, he has the meaningful interactions and connections to the main antagonists, and he can ultimately defeat Duma with just his team if he had to, he only needs his Falchion, Celica plays no special role aside from opening the east flood gate, and she's supposed to be a protagonist, heck, Alm doesn't even emotionally depend on her or anything, he just goes on about to do what he needs to do with or without her approval, in this dynamic of two protagonists he really doesn't need her for anything more than perhaps wishful thinking of being together if he survives the ordeal.
Do the maps get any better? Only in Act 3 right now. But it seems like it's the same 5 map types.
1. Big ass empty field
2. Big ass empty field + Castle
3. Big ass empty field now in dessert.
4. Big ass empty field now in dessert + Fort
5. P I R A T E B O A T S
I mean at least we aren't snow shoveling anymore am I right?
Swamp maps are next for you to experience and uhh... I doubt you'll like it.
I never really mind it though, but a lot of people had problems with it.
no they don't.
I love this game so much. By far my favorit Fire Emblem. I wish the whole modern series would be more like this than awakening. I hate this dating bullshit and three houses is simply tedious with all that micromanagment.
Oh and by the way, is a game fun and engaging then there is no grind. Grind is more a mindset than a propertie. In all my hours of Echoes there was zero grind for me. How could a game so beautiful and good sounding grindy anyway? By the way; I LOVE the art style, I wish every FE would look like this.
Even bringing up fan service as a potential negative “cleavage” etc was pretty cringy, but still a good videoe
Just wanted to ask anyone would be willing to answer, is it even worth it to play Fire Emblem Fates over this or should I play both? I was planning on playing both versions of Fates for both sides of the story but I hear that the game wasnt as good as hoped. Im currently still playing Awakening and loving it so far so I want some other opinions on which game I should play after I finish Awakening (My first Fire Emblem game).
I would give my left kidney for another fire emblem game with the same art style and mechanics
As a person who didn't start playing fire emblem Til awakening. I actually like echoes way more than awakening and especially fates.
Echoes is not good because they removed the best feature for a FE remake.
Killing your units to get the new stuff.
Jokes aside, Echoes is mostly a masterpiece of a game that everyone needs to play
To be honest if i hadnt bought echoes and already played it this video probably would have pushed me a bit into not buying it
Dont get me wrong i agree with almost everything you said here but to me it felt a bit to much like sugarcoating
You and Luckycrit convinced me to get this game and Fates after I thought I was done with the series when I got Awakening.
I actually think this will be my favorite Fire Emblem game with the free roaming elements and dungeon exploring.
The thing is, though. Retreating makes the game ridiculously easy.
For people who love Kingdom Hearts, IGN rated Kingdom Hearts 1 as 9/10 and rated Kingdom Hearts 2 at 7.6/10. They're also the people who called FE Fates Conquest an "Emotional and Engaging Journey" and in their awakening tutorial video they said to wittle down HP of the enemies using your smaller units, and then have Frederick kill them.....don't listen to IGN......Ever...
Implying "press triangle to win" is better than the original
I don't know how I ever played FE without Mila's turnwheel. Going back to every game before Echoes whenever I get an unlucky RNG or just mess up and have to repeat the same map I wonder to myself "Why did the not create it sooner?"
Even as an 'Awakening Baby', this game is absolutely amazing, and probably goes up as one of my favourite RPGs of all time. Coming from a background of western RPGs, this game still absolutely flourishes with its gripping narrative, tense, addictive, and strategic combat, not to mention it has some of the most gorgeous portrait art I've seen in a video game to date. xD
in 2:10, in the theme of characters, it annoys me how they claim how the only way to know the characters was reading their supports is the only way you will know them, when GBA games have done it MUCH WORSE, case in point, Renault, he didn't do anything in the story and his backstory could be easily missed, considering it was at the tail end of the game, and he's isn't the only case, so it bothers me how they get a free pass while the newer games handle supports much better
I swear the voice acting is so good it made the mourning quotes from characters feel so much sadder, ESPECIALLY EST.
Great video man! You just convinced me thanks.
Am I the only one that absolutely ADORES the fact that the anime style they used for the cutscenes just feels so... classic. Like, something from the mid 2000's, and it suits the game's general aesthetics SO WELL.
Come for the hot character models.
Stay because you can play hard mode without grinding/resetting a chapter 6-7 times before a no-death win.
.... ?
Nope, no FE game where grinding is encouraged/necessary.
You okay, m9?
Felix Harman welp, I guess it's just me that sucks ass at Fates then.
Just let me go cry in my corner for a bit. :3
git gud
... :P (also I replied to the wrong comment with the wrong thing, I was talking about that stupid postgame)
I hope this review ECHOES trough the FE community
You can also call this video by it´s other name : The reasons why Echoes is the best game ever and IGN´s 7.8 is bullshit
If you enjoy solid writing and cast of characters with some new QoL changes or want to see an updated Gaiden, then this is probably one of the best games for you.
If you're looking for gameplay depth and good map design, you should skip it as you will probably be disappointed.
That's sadly true, all those summoning bastards in the endgame are just cancer
Unfortunately that's why I still prefer Fates just a smidge. The story is clunky and you have to work to get the characters stories, but the gameplay, strategy elements and choice is so amazing. Here, the opposite is true, just goes to show how far the map design has come I suppose. One of my bigger complaints is the abundance of rout maps, which was a complaint many people had for Awakening that I don't see the fanboys mention about Echoes
mooseyluke I personally didn't find Fates' gameplay all that amazing because pairup felt too good to me. Not as good as in Awakening, but still good enough to make a lot of the game mindless. I think Conquest makes that better though with it's difficulty. On Conquest I agree with what you said.
Harvee™ Generally a lot of my arguments for Fates are from conquest, and I should really learn to stop that. Conquest is so much better than the other two, I have no idea how they did it
mooseyluke Ah okay, that makes sense. I still don't thing CQ's gameplay was better than SoV's, but that's just personal preference. I also tend to like the older games more even though my first game was Awakening. But hey, we all have our biases.
From what I heard the director for this game is working on the next major fore emblem title (I hope to god this rumor is true) also I believe they should take some of the mechanics in echoes and implement them for the new FE (weapon arts, three promotions, shields, and honestly milas turnwheel as addresses that many FE players tend to restart a level if one character dies)
Bronze's finest I Honestly wouldnt mind the magic System being in later games
Bought It Yesterday and I am already on Chapter 3, I am loving this Game so much. I Hope It sells well, because if they can do this to old boring Gaiden, Imagine what they could do to Geneology or even Binding Blade. Good video Mangs, Let's show everyone the King of all 3ds Games.
Last time I checked Ign is a source I will never use or believe in. Thanks for the helpful video and I want to try a fire emblem game sometime and this helped my choices.
I know that you love this game Mangs and I do too. But you can't tell me that from a gameplay standpoint, Fates ( Conquest ) did a much better job in mechanics and map design.
Personally, I think that Echoes did great with it's voice acting and story and exploration. But you gotta give Fates ( conquest ) the phrase they deserve from their ost and map design.
I will agree that from a pure gameplay perspective, Fates did outclass Echoes in certain areas.
Mangs In *certain* areas? Could you please tell me one thing they did better gameplay-wise in this game than in Fates?
Linus Bähler I guess Mangs was not so fond of the pair-up mechanic and dual stands. I can't think of any other improvement, tho personally I like pair-up.
Yusuf Durmus The pair-up mechanic definitely has its flaws. I can understand why people are happy it isn't in this game, but the dual strikes were a really nice addition. It made the placement of your units much more important (something I really miss in Echoes) and the units that can't reach the enemies aren't completely useless for that turn.
I'm only speaking for Fates. In Awakening the Pair-up and dual strike mechanics were completely based on rng and game breaking.
Linus Bähler yeah totally. In Awakening it was utterly broken, but Fates did it soo well with it's guard mechenic and blocking the dual strikes. Other then that, Fates was also very clever ( in a crual way ) with its enemy placements. Echoes map design is not as good as Fates, but they could at least make the enemy placement better. It just follows the Awakening standarts of " everyone moving in at the same time ".
Everyone complains about camilla in fates but I like her.
As someone who isn't much of a fan of Fire Emblem Fates, I don't get the Camilla hate either.
I feel like echos didn't get the superb ratings because it "wasn't like awakening"
Atleast its not Thracia fatigue yeah the games pretty easy to beat on Hard/Classic without grinding.
... you know mangs ... i kinda would like to see some cons (maybe in another video), this game is nice and all but why do i never see people talking about the bad aspects of it dood?
Edit: *sigh*... should have read the comment above... dood...
I might make a video about the things Echoes did wrong once I've completed it :)
It's plenty talked about if you're looking at the right places. Gameplay wise since it's a very faithful Gaiden remake it's a very glaring step back from Fates. Conquest showed us how they were still capable of good map design and varied objectives, SoV in comparison is straight back to Awakening with big empty maps and rout enemies. Also, many side characters don't get enough lines/supports/aren't expanded upon.
TLDR biggest flaw is purely from a gameplay perspective. It's not a great strategy game, but it's still a damn fine game. Favorite 3DS FE for me, too.
Mangs THANK YA dood!
i personally dont really have any negative on it so far and i already beat the game+postgame and in the middle of my 2nd run and already have ~80-90 hours put into the game by now and the only thing i wouldve liked to see a little different was a little bit more supports, not awakening/fates many, but in my opinion there are a bit too few for many characters, imo everyone should probably have ~4/5 optimally, but aside from that i got nothing, legit the best game ive played in quite a while. i think the last time a game kept me all my free time for almost 2 weeks in a row was probably xenoblade chronicles on the wii back then, no RPG or strategygame (which are like 95% of the games i play) was able to keep me this locked up because i just couldnt put the game down anymore, no matter how hyped i was for it beforehand and i wasnt that hyped about echoes at first because i'm not too much of a gaiden-fan ^^'
Personally do not like Faye, but thats only one character out of the whole cast of both protagonists AND antagonists and i really like the writing and especially voice acting of every single person, and even faye is only because i dont like her based on her personality, both design and VA wise i still really like how well she is done. I even like most antagonists a LOT, which both Awakening and Fates was quite meh about.
It's still rather amusing how good this game is despite them not having changed as much as they could have.
My favorite aspects about it are definitely MIla's turnwheel (please make it a staple!) and those character conversations you can get in villages/mila shrines. They're basically one-man supports, it's nice to get some more personality out of the less story-relevant and/or support-deprived characters (That's how you learn about, say, Genny liking to write stories... and older men)
Fatigue really is a non-issue. To be honest, it's almost pointless, actually. Although, I'll admit I'd rather it being this way x)
You can't spell ignorance without IGN.
This is the best fire emblem I have played and it's my favorite
7.8/10
- Too much quality
Echoes was a really solid game yeah, you should play it if you like Fire Emblem.
Shadows of Valentia is the greatest game of the series.
THIS VIDEO RIGHT HERE PEOPLE!! This publicity right here is what Fire Emblem needs more of! Doing IGNs job far better than they do themselves. THIS is quality content Mangs. Most excellent.
SHADOW DRAGON IS MY FAAAAAAVOURITE
Shadow Dragon > New Mystery
New Mystery is worse than Awakening
Seriously though berkut is up there with Alvis, Ishtar, Lyon and Japanease nergal
If anyone thinks "old mechanics in the modern era" is a decent complaint then someone should introduce them to chess. That board game is millennia old and still played plenty.
No comment about UI or UX
Best Fire Emblem? Hell no.
One of the best Fire Emblems? Easily.
Best Fire Emblem on the 3DS? Without a doubt.
Easily one of my favorite Fire Emblem experiences. I thought after Fates that we wouldn’t get a good Fire Emblem again. Boy was I wrong.
I just beat this game yesterday as of the time I am posting this, and as a relatively new Fire Emblem fan, (Only really played the 3DS Games) Echoes has become my favorite Fire Emblem so far. Mostly because it was the first Fire Emblem game I've played that didn't leave me fatigued about 3/4ths through the game. I had to force myself to finish Fates, (and Awakening to a lesser extent) but Echoes simply never let me put it down! I played on Classic Normal mode and managed to beat the game with little-to-no grinding, just strategy, and without losing a single unit. Mila's turnwheel is awesome as a counter against the sometimes bullshit RNG, although I had a one time case where I used it and it caused the game to actually crash... Regardless, nothing like that ever happened again.
I think EVERYTHING in the game is amazing except the main story maps, I know they wanted to stay faithful to gaiden, but they could have at least changed some maps so they are not just open fields, like they weren’t faithful to gaiden when adding Berkut, Fernand and Faye. However, I hear fe16 is having the same artwork as echoes and I hope it has the incredible story and artwork from echoes and include good gameplay from fates
I personally started the game on hard mode, beat it once, and have nearly completed a second playthrough. Furthermore, I have still had a lot of fun on the second playthrough. It's hard, but it's not quite Conquest levels of pure insanity (most of the time). The replayability is very real, which is a balance for a hard game I have rarely seen since Radiant Dawn normal mode. Furthermore, the Turnwheel is implemented wonderfully, with upgrades being natural and well-paced. This is an absolutely phenomenal game, up there with the Bravely Default series and other cult classics as a 3DS buy. Actually, scratch that, this is one of about 10 games I think is actually worth buying the 3ds to play if you can only get one game.
Agreed with this whole video; I have been hyped since this game was announced, but was also skeptical because it was a faithful remake of a dated game, and it would be my first fire emblem game, so I was worried it would be too hard, clunky, shallow story and characters, etc. Decided to go in and buy it the day after it came out, and it's been FANTASTIC, with none of the problems I expected it to have. Please everyone buy this game. It's good for you.
I've just been able to pass through the first dungeon, then I stopped playing/ there was no strategies at all and the maps were far too repetitive and super boring !
character design look awesome but what the point if the attack possibilities are so limited ? I'd like to know if it gets much more complex after the first chapter.
I played If (Fates) and Awakening, and if I agree Awakening is not good at all (poor maps and ridiculous ennemies reinforcement on your turn) I consider Fates like a great game ! with the dual-system you have thousands of different ways of playing each map, Conquest in hard is also extremely difficult and so rewarding when you finally kill a boss after 3-4 hours with no permanent save.
the story and cutscenes were really bad but the gameplay was just awesome ! it seems impossible for me to play Echoes after fates :/ it's like going bk to middle-age ...
I loved Echoes, I thought it was a beautiful game. I agree with all the points you made, positive and negative. Some people I know said they wish the weapon triangle was in this game but I’m actually really happy it wasn’t, as I feel it would’ve taken away some of the elements that made Gaiden, Gaiden. One of the biggest things that made me love this game was the voice acting. When Alm realizes that he just killed his father, and he screams out in sadness, man I FELT his pain, no other Fire Emblem game made me feel like that. The story is also marvelous, some of the best in the series by far. I’m very happy that the new villains had some really good background and depth to them, because recently the villains have just been bad because why not. If I were to rate this game I would say it’s 9.3/10. The story is great, animation flows, cutscenes are beautiful to watch, and dialogue makes you feel like you are really there listening to an everyday conversation. The maps could use some work and sometimes the enemies can be weird but that is a minor nitpick. The fact that IGN gave this a bad review makes me laugh, “Now move in Fredrick to kill weakened units.”
I do enjoy the game but I have a couple issues. First is the maps, huge sprawling voids means the need of planning where to put your units is quite lessened, more just focusing on if theres an archer/mage or not, and if not you can throw in Lukas/Valbar to eat hits that could've gone to Silque/Mae. Its basically a slow push but less reliable as you can't hide from it.
On that note, fuck witches. Fragile but bullshit, keep your weaker units safe but you can't because warp exists.
can't confirmed the no grinding aspcet; BESIDES the endgame. To say it without any spoilers: This FE features a hidden boss after the main game, and if you want to kill him you will in 100% of the cases need to grind a bit. But due to fast forward and charge, the grinding doesn't take long at all.
Uh-oh, bad sales and low ratings= Nintendo being Nintentards and turning it back into Waifu Emblem. Please, Just End the series if all your going to do is make lackluster, awful, stories, along with stupid, marriages, and children.
Not enough Clair 8/10. I'm just fucking with you. If this becomes a series the next game i think should be Blazing sword as i think its the best entry point in the series, i don't say Path of Radiance cause its expensive.
In my opinion Echoes is just amazing.
I don't really have problems with the map designs and the game mechanics.
Map designs are ok, most of the time there is just one little thing about a map that makes it special (not including the maps while dungeon crawling) and the rest comes simply by the way enemies are placed.
Since the maps can be played so fast, they don't really need to be complicated. It is miles ahead of Awakening, where it took, what feels like, forever to beat enemies lined up on an empty field.
Gameplay mechanics are, to me, better if they are a bit simpler. While I liked it at first in Awakening, I grew tired of pair ups very fast. I was happy about the better pair up system in Fates, but grew tired of that as well.
Then there are all these abilities from Fates especially with ninjas, that made the game appear super complex, but in the end it just made the game not harder, not really more complex, but very tedious as you simply had to check too much before doing anything.
And I do like complex games, I am a chess player even.
But chess manages to be very complex while maintaining a simple ruleset.
In FE Fates there were a lot of rules to be considered that just took time, but in the end it was still a simple game... That, to me, is not good at all.
Take a comment I want ppl to see that video really good job (perso I didn't play that game but it seem good there some litle prob like all the games but not much.
I more said I was not sold whit the thing that let you rewind the game... But I most said after what you said I am sold I most said I hate whene I take a crit in the face and need to restart... (IT look like a nice way to bring the normal mode to more ppl to perso I would play that over casual of the 2 other on 3DS I just like that if i do alot of mistake I need to restart the chapter it feel impactfull.)
What could be nice for a future game is a thing like Valkiria Chronicle had (a medic unite that can revive alie, may be the cleric or something like that) those unite could revive alie but would need 2 trun and could not heal whene reviving alie. they could also not move so you need to secure the area. I think that could be really nice mechanique that make sence in the classe and the game. Also if the enemie can toutch the unite before you revive it the unite could be lost but I am not sure of that one.
I think that would be a nice way to bring death more gameplay and not just lose to RGN you could at less try to secure the revive and protect the alie. (losing your healer for it)
SORRY FOR THE BAD ENGLISH
Just tried it... love it! It's true, the maps are not very creative, especially after I just played Conquest. But it doesn't matter, those big plains with a few enemies actually give you some time to plan a counter and lure the more far enemies into a high defense unit that will distract them, leaving the enemy main force without their much-needed reinforcements.
After beating Conquest/Revelation, Echoes and now finishing Awakening, I believe Shadow of Valentia is the best Fire emblem game on 3DS
I'm yet to buy this game, very curious about this, using the Mila's wheel thingy.
Will it re-roll RNG or do you need to use a vulnerary? (Like save states on GBA titles)