Does It Suck? Budget Gravel Bike Build
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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ive always thought that hybrids were the the original 'gravel' bike... but people were turned off by the flatbars.. then some marketing person came up w 'gravel bike' put drop bars on it and now we have $16,000 gravel bikes
Exactly.
I’ve even gone one step further with the “suspension” fork.
Oh wait..... now they do that as well.
Always wondered about the “relaxed” geo and asked what’s the difference ?
I think its so funny how many people ripped hybrids and now have nice cross or gravel bikes they've put flat bars on. My fried did it on his Long Haul Trucker and jokingly said he'd spent $2k to get a fancy 90's mountain bike.
Ahhh... the perfect people for me to ask this question. Whats the diff between gravel and hybrid? Is it just the drop bars? Im getting a bike soon and im kinda confused. I saw a hybrid the other day where u can lock out the suspension to ride on roads and some dont have those. And i always thought it would be harder to turn on a trail using a drop bar than a flat.
@@ryanqz Usually gravel biking is considered more gravel roads than trails, although you can do both, so tight turns aren't really a big concern. Hybrids are generally a bit more upright with flat bars. Most I've seen are more upright than most gravel bikes.
Check out Spindatt's vidoes: "What is a Gravel Bike," and "Gravel bike or Cylocross Bike."
That's exactly it. You're taking a bike to get battered by rocks and you're gonna cry when your super expensive bike has stone chips and dings all over it.
Way more fun and inspiring than those distressing "my crazy-expensive dream bike build" videos that litter UA-cam.
That thing is sweet, with a new paint job anyone would be forgiven for forgetting it was ever a hybrid
I hope it never gets painted! Haha
Yeah those decals are horrendous
@@alexdcpe I don't really agree the decals are horrendous, but everyone has different taste.
I run the WTB Nano as my winter tyres. They run reasonably quickly on road and deal with most conditions off road. This winter in the UK was particularly wet and the Nanos have got me through some sloppy English mud. I’ve run them on two different bikes, an aluminium/carbon fork Boardman ADV 8.9 with Tiagra 10 speed group set. And since January a carbon Orro Terra C. Loving both bikes
Great series. I love giving old bike a new life. I built one out of a TREK 720 hybrid and it was amazing. I ride the DIrty Kanza 50 on it and it was flawless.
A great upgrade for the Poseidon X will be swapping the brakes to TRP HY/RD. I switched mine (from TRP Spyre) and it made a huge difference in braking power. Got the new brakes for approx. 150€ on and sold the old ones for 60€, making this a 90€ (or 100$) upgrade.
I've just recently gotten into road cycling and gravel, but I only owned a hardtail. as a result, I started work on converting my 2011 Giant Sedona hybrid into a gravel/roadie. its a fun project.
If you go on reddit you should check out the xbiking subreddit. Or just search for it on Google if you don't. It's loaded with great builds like that and other old steel mountain bike conversions.
Have you swapped out the fork and if so, did you go with a shorter axle to crown fork?
@@rochat no, I probably will eventually. the geometry is all wacky. but I want to go as cheap as possible to start with
Once you build a bike, it truly becomes a part of you.
I will always advocate for building rather than buying.
If you can’t build then rope a mate in to do it with you with a carton of beer over a weekend when it’s raining anyway.
Make it yours....
LOVE THAT BIKE 👍
S. Ivers Yup, couldn't say it better myself!
Out on 4wd trails we can easily see the difference in built and bought. When the 'bought' rigs break down, guess who gets 'em fixed so they're not blocking the freakin' trail??
So, should the question now be whether the Poseidon with $200 put in it be a better bike than your build?
‘the thrill of the chase’
Yep, I love disassembling old bikes and seeing how they were designed.
Reassembling? Not so. Let’s just say that I have a very large spares box 😉
Great vid, thank you 🙏
That made me laugh cause I recognized myself in that statement. Lots of good frames, lots of parts. But....it makes for some fun experiments in swapping parts. If only I better understood things like those darn pull ratios etc.
I have an aluminum hybrid "dad bike" (Diamondback Edgewood) that I got new for like 300 bucks years ago. The front suspension fork weighs a ton, but the stopping power from the V-brakes is unreal. If my step bro ever gets tired of using it, I'm gonna turn it into a gravel bike like this
For me I'd love to do some sort of budget gravel build. But the used bike scene near me is just about nothing because of where I live. Plus I really want some disk brakes on my bike. I think I'll be going with the poseidon x soon. Comes with 10 speed microshift and all aluminum drive train I think. Might end up swapping off the sram stuff from my current bike. But who knows. All I know is by the end of it I'll have two good bikes that I'm happy with. And that's what I want.
I'm building up a gravel bike with front disc and rear V-brake. However I'm using the Kool-Stop salmon pads instead of the stock Pro-Max pads in the rear so (I hope) it doesn't take the black anodizing off my Sun Rhyno Lite rim.
Ive built up a 2015 norco threshold frame with microshift 1x advent X and a cheap set of wheels. My total built was £200 at the local bike co-op with mostly used parts (drive train was fitted to test but essentially new) and it's working amazingly well. Definitely as good or better than what I'd have got new for anywhere under £1000. Only real upgrade it could use is some hybrid mechanical hydro brakes.
I always wondered what WTB stood for! Great build! Looks a fun ride as well!
Have you looked into the new WTB Raddler tires? My only concern would be the 42t in the front might now be low enough for where I ride, but otherwise a fun looking build. Related, for $200 more over the Posiden one could get the Salsa Journeyman drop bar or flat bar variant with the 8spd(or was it 9spd) setup in the back. Or for $100 more the Marin Nicasio RC, which is a heavier steel bike & internally geared 8spd model. I think 2019 was the last year for the RC, while they still make the Nicasio.
Jokes on you, my High Roller is so worn it might as well be slick
Eric, could you cover what to look for when swapping out forks? I have a homage to the monstercross that I wrecked the handling on by changing to a carbon fork
Excellent video after washing it I'm ready to build my own gravel bike been new into this I will really appreciate a list off parts use in a project like this
I noticed in a previous video that thing has a savages bike shop sticker on it, the shop I work at in Fredericton! Super cool
I was going to get a Poseidon x but after watching your videos and a bunch of others, I know I'm a tinkerer and I need to do something because I don't even have a Poseidon x yet and I'm looking for things to upgrade it already. I think you're right about building one and how its specifically yours because you get to choose your own parts and learn from it. Now all I need is to figure out where to start to build one. I rode roadie until cars and accidents happened, I rode trails on a hardtail until I fractured my ribs and bruised my lungs. Now I want to build a gravel/cross bike to just ride to keep up fitness. I just don't really know where to start on how to choose something on budget to build.
Great video. I have an old 3x7 flat norco vfr hybrid that is now on drop bars with a 1x10 setup with shimano tiagra sti shifters and rear derailleur. Continental tour ride 700x37.
I built a gravel bike as well, the hunt was great, I spent more then what I wanted but I love it
I think such a budget build means a lot of fun. I am building a resto mod gravelbike out of an over 30 years old frame, but it has cantilever sockets, so I can use mini-v-brakes too. I'm very exited how it will ride.
Out of curiosity, have you ever considered trying the new trend of flared drop bars? I run 46cm salsa woodchippers (their most aggressive flare) on my cross bike and I love it. I find it easier to ride in drops than on hoods for aggressive terrain
My favorites are Nitto RM013 Dirt Drops 52cm wide! And more recently the 46cm Ritchey Venturemax. I wish the Ritcheys came wider! Ive tried VOs Far Bar and a couple others too, but I don't care for bars with lots of flare. It makes the hoods and other hand positions less desirable and less comfortable.
The Nittos are pretty deep drops and require a high stem. But the control of all that width and leverage is wonderful. Plenty of hand positions or room for a large h'bar bag too.
The Ritcheys are nice in that the drop is fairly short and they have back sweep on the tops. I like riding in the hooks all the time now!
Most riders coming from the road side of things don't understand that offroad you want a more upright position. Handling rough terrain and steep descents is much better. Long rides, comfort and your neck will thank you for it! Offroad you don't have as much control while riding on the hoods! Dirt Drops, gravel bars, flared bars etc, are designed to be ridden primarily in the hooks, where you have the most leverage for steering and control and best leverage on the brake levers. The BEST THING to do is get the tops of bars near level with the saddle. That often requires a high stem. I like the Velo Orange Cigne and Happy stems. A little bizarre looking but much better than high rise stems and a huge stack of spacers.
Seriously, take those roadie fit 'rules' and forget about them. Wonderful adventures and looooong rides await those who are comfortable.
I love this stuff! The bike looks perfect! I wouldn't paint the frame, I love the character it gives the bike! 😁
It won't take long before I start to collect some parts to build my own...! 🤔😁
Just found you. You’re a hoot. Going through your videos. Love building with what’s on hand. Nice work!😊
Thanks Ronni!
Cassette size? Don't think you mentioned... Your riding video's with the great music are without a doubt the most fun and uplifting!
Cassette is 11-42
@@aybee69 Only heard him say chainring was.
@@thegefster1988 👍🏾
Good One. Which one to pick? Well... the one you have; and, the one you did the work on.
I also have a budget 26 gravel build equipped with logan v brake partnered by sram v brake pads works perfectly on our local trail. You dont need disc brakes specialy when your mostly on a road
2017 Trek DS2...bought it new...love the red color. Rode it until the cheap components wore out. I like the lockout, 63mm suspension fork,for now. Replaced the wore out cheap components with....well...better "budget" (cheap) components. Great bike budget friendly. Daily rider, commuter bike..20 miles a day and dirt,gravel and sweat. Love your videos. Love to tinker. Thank you for your awesome video. From Phoenix Arizona, bye.
Can u please leave a parts list
my biking North Star is do you like how you look on your machine and is it fun to ride it, if so any bike is a good bike!!
Great video when I ain’t having to look at those chrome boogers hanging from your nose 😝
Nice build !
I gladly buy or find frames to rebuild because I love the building as much as I love to ride.
Thank you for the video.
Same here! Before I started wrenching in a shop I loved tinkering on my own bikes almost as much as riding them.
Since I've started wrenching, my customers (and patients) use up most of my patience! Haha!
All I want to do is ride on my free time!
I haven't worked in 3 weeks now and I'm getting all of my 7 bikes up and running! Ive also ridden almost every day. But still I mostly ride my singlespeeds due to their reliability and low maintenance. I'd much rather ride than wrench anymore!
My next build for this week is a drop barred 26" Bridgestone MB3 with a Marzocchi Bomber fork. It will be a 'dinglespeed ', one gear at a time with several gear choices that you get off the bike to change. It's motivation to pedal harder! I know it's weird. I'm bored and I love simplicity.
I watched many of your videos, and I really like your explanations and presentation. I have been trying to find good video about how much faster are modern road bikes compared to retro ones. And I'm not talking about top of the line, but maybe one from 1000$ category vs 20-50$ retro. Of course that retro bike should be in decent driving condition, not too much play on bearings, well oiled, working brakes etc. And you should use same tyres. Then it would be great, if you could turn that old bike to cyclocrosser, changing tyres and putting gear levers to handle bar, maybe even update gear sets from some other cheap used bike. It would be fun to see, how would that work. I'm currently without a bike and money. I have been laid off from work a lot lately, and I'm giving my relatively new bike to my son, so my only options are a) buy very cheap bike, and try to manage with that, or b) buy new bike to my son with some partial payment...and honestly, I don't think this b-option is wise thing to do atm. So I would appreciate a lot if you can make a video about this subject.
I totally agree with you on trying new things come what may...
Thanks 4 the screenshots, beautiful bike
Love the build!! I blew my budget on my budget build too!! lol
Could you make a parts list for videos like this?
I like the build, i am trying to convert my hybrid to gravel bike , my only worry about the v-brake on the bike if it’s going to work with the micronew shifters ? I know I need set of new cables
So if you tossed $200 at the Poseidon where would you start? Would that make it comparable or arguably better than the budget build? For someone who isn't as experienced in chasing down deals and tinkering.
Semi hydraulic disc brakes such as TRP HY/RD are a good start.
Not trolling. What's "semi" hydraulic ?
I get mechanical or hydraulic
@@YoungDoug13 normal cable to the caliper, but there it activates by converting the cable pull into hydraulic pressure
basically mechanic lever and hydraulic caliper
I went wheels first, but I think the brakes that are mentioned here is the better way to go
Douglas Young The best hand built wheels you can afford would be my first pick, then Avid mtn BB7 mechanicals and Cane Creek V levers/bar end shifters. I'm not a fan of brifters. I tour to remote uninhabited places. I want stuff thats extremely reliable and easy to maintain/repair far from civilization.
Unless you build wheels and can find good old parts those wheels might break the piggy bank! Shimano loose ball hubs are great, easy to service and affordable! But wheels are ultra important, it's not worth compromising in my mind. I don't trust prebuilt wheels either. Especially proprietary junk and low spoke counts. I gotta know who built them. Then again I love building them as a small side business. I build with mostly used parts for my personal wheels . I find killer deals and own over a dozen sets, all ghetto tubeless. Wheel building is my favorite part of bike mechanics!
very nice and thanks
Awesome content! I really enjoy the channel. Keep up the good work.
It's funny, your question on which is better? Depends solely on the audience. For the bike nerds that follow your channel (we all have a common denominator) the Norco wins hand downs. Why? We ARE tinkerers. Sure, you could buy a 'better' bike or have that 'better' bike upgraded by your LBS to an awesome machine. BUT, you won't have the satisfaction of doing it yourself, you won't have the peace of mind knowing every square cm of your ride and your bike will likely look... just like some other guys bike. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just not us, its not your audience. Keep up the content, hope you are weathering the storm well.
DIY vinyl wrap the frame
❤im confused, I thought vbrakes dont work with road levers...only mini v brakes and cantilever brakes work🤔
love the channel dude - can you please do some content on lever cable ratios? Mainly in terms of brakes as opposed to gearing. I have my own budget gravel build which brakes atrociously and I can't seem to figure out why! I'm not sure if it's to do with the wheels, the brakes themselves or the inability of the levers to exert the right amount of force through the cables...or maybe all three! I also may have been duped by some "V" (not V) brakes from china....
I like it! And I'm the kind of person who is DEFINITELY "interested in the tinkering and the thrill of the chase!"
However, I can't help but feel that in the spirit of the project (something anybody could do at home) you should have gone with lower-end drive train & wheels, or second-hand parts from your local co-op/DIY-style bike shop. I think that would truly put it in the reach of your average home tinkerer. I'm curious what could be done with a $200-$300 budget.
This is coming!
A wanna do a budget gravel bike now
If it's steel just weld on brackets for disc brake. You can do this even with stick welder
I got some very real DKlein vibes from that intro
I have a scwhinn. Hybrid i want to make it just like that. Thanks for your video
Excellent video / project
By a 200€ light Empire Sensah Groupset from Aliexpress
I'm lookin' at it, and it looks guuud.
Ok build, I would change the drivetrain for Shimano instead of Sram. And I would have used a 650B frame and wheel set rather than a 700c/29er. But with theses projects you have to take what you can get.
It looks real nice, you've done well.
Definitely an awesome looking build!
i like your works
I think there is a good conversation to have comparing mechanical disc brakes to linear-pull brakes. I'm sick of my TRP Spyre and QR setup, but upgrading to thru-axles and hydro brakes with drop bars is sooo expensive.
As far as brake power goes, there's not a big difference between Vs and cable discs. IF they're decent quality brakes set up well. BIG IF! That's the most important.
Many mechanical discs (especially road!) are shockingly bad and won't stop the bike while pedaling and pulling the brakes hard at the same time. SHAME on manufacturers for supplying such garbage!
Comparatively, V brakes are super simple and light. Good quality Vs, salmon Koolstop pads and ceramic rims (hard to find anymore) work as well as strong discs in wet conditions.
Have you tried compressionless cable housing and some fancy cables yet? Maybe different pads/rotor? They can help firm up the brakes. My customers with TRPs like it! It saved them lots of dough! I use it too. We sell Jagwire Pro Kits at my shop, about $40 I think. Avid BB7s are the best mechanicals Ive come across, the mtb variety. Its what I use. Ive worked on those TRPs before but never owned them, but they didn't seem bad.
Unless your frame has both disc mounts and canti mounts your talking a new frame or a visit to a frame builder. Its could be less expensive to just get hydro brakes and brifters, but I know this is NOT cheap!
You may even be better off with a different bike. But I'd try that housing first. Its relatively cheap!!
@@rollinrat4850 I have the original Specialized Diverge. I'm not sure what the underlying problem, but this setup (TRP with QR) just seems super finicky. Every time I take the wheel out and put it back in, the disc brakes rub. Trying to find the balance of not rubbing and having reasonable pull and braking power is just a pain. I currently have the original (circa 2014) Jagwires. The pads are fairly new. Might have slightly warped rotors and/or stretched out wires.
I'm debating going old-school and getting something like a cross-check with V-brakes or ponying up for hydro disc and thru-axles in a Cannondale Topstone 105 or Trek Checkpoint ALR 4. Either way, I'm looking for more tire clearance so I can fit 35-40mm tires with fenders in the winter. The old diverges were limited in this respect - more endurance road bikes than gravel bikes.
Brad Thomas The issues aren't caused by the QRs as long as you close them with the wheels bottomed out in the dropouts properly.
Im pretty sure your problem is you're running your pads with just a tiny bit of clearance to the rotor. There is no room left for even a tiny bit of error or rotor warpage. That's why they alwaysrub. Rotors normally warp slightly going through their heat cycles. You are forced into the pad clearance issues because your cable housing compresses a lot, using up your valuable lever pull. This is a normal issue on cable discs. Some stock housing on new bikes is horribly cheap- cost cutting on brakes really SUCKS!
As an example, Take a piece of brake housing, cut it apart to look at the coiled wire inside. This is what is compressing. Now cut apart shifter housing, it uses linear wires which resist compression for shift accuracy. But you can't use shifter housing on brakes. It's unsafe! The cable WILL burst out between the linear wires.
Compressionless brake housing uses the linear wire to resist compression, then wraps a Kevlar sheath around the linear wires to resist bursting.
I'm a shop mechanic and bike tinkerer of 50 years, I'm also a machinist and pretty good at fixing all sorts of things much more complex than bikes. I'm almost positive that housing is your issue. I think it's well worth a try if you like your bike otherwise. If not you're just out $30-$40 and a little labor.
My customers have had the same complaints with the exact same brakes. Ive done this upgrade many times on many different cable discs. One guy was ready to swap over to full hydro. I convinced him to try the housing solution even though I could have made a big sale, even though I got chewed out by my manager! I value this particular customer, hes a good guy with a very sick child, I try to help him out. He came back a week later with 2 cases of beer for us! He claims his brakes are nearly as good as the Ultegra hydros on his road bike. Happy, satisfied customers are what make all the headaches worthwhile!
PS One piece of advice, never buy a Creakenfail (Cannondale). One of the crappiest , cheapest NOISIEST brands on the market even at the high end. My large chain of bike shops dropped them due to all the issues and complaints. Be vary wary of what you buy nowadays. The larger bike industry preys on unknowing and nontechnical consumers. Its all about sales, marketing and the bottom line. Marketing is almost pure BS. Not much different than brainwashing or propaganda!!
I bet you would probably be happier if you were still riding on rim brakes huh?
@@rollinrat4850 Good stuff! Thanks for the advance. I'll give it a try.
Brad Thomas Here is the stuff I sell :jagwire.com/products/diy-cable-kits/2017road-pro-brake-kit
I've also used Yokozuna housing on my own bikes. I prefer Japanese or USA made products personally.
Also: out of curiosity, why not get linear-pull levers for drop bars?!
I'm thinking of doing this for a gravel bike for my teen- any experience with those types of levers that you'd recommend against it? I'm looking at Tektro RL520s. (pretty darn cheap.) Thanks!
rw b Ive used Cane Creek's V levers on a couple bikes with v brake and discs. I think they're made by Tektro as well. Ive seen similar Tektros. They work well with my Avid BB7 mechanical discs too. The hoods are big and comfortable. I did break one of the plastic lever bodies in a crash. Being a brake lever, I wished it was metal!
The only complaint I've had is they rattle from vibrations a little. I ride my bikes on lots of rough trails.
Never be tempted to use those Travel Agents with brifters or plain road levers. Those are the pulley cable pull adapters. They require a new cable every time you remove it and they take away lever travel and good feel.
Besides that, brifters don't handle dirt or abuse well and they're very expensive to replace. Ive used bar end's for many years. My Dura Ace bar end's indexing wore out after 'only' 25 years and now Im friction shifting. With modern chainrings and cassettes, friction works great!
Is the headtube of that norco is 1 inch threaded or over size 1 ⅛ inch?
1 1/8. I’ve seen this a lot of these hybrids for some reason, and it’s awesome for these projects!
@@Spindatt awesome to watch this budget gravel bike! For its condition i think it is better than your Poseidon atm
great job, love the build.
Great vid. Now I regret not putting drop bars on my trek 7.1 hybrid to gravel-commuter refurbishment project. Time to recommence the tinkering?!
Yes!
Martyn Gregson Tinkering at some new idea is always fun. If you're adventurous, try a singlespeed commuter. I live in a hilly area, but geared right, it's fine. It makes me stronger, a better pedaler, it's cheap and very reliable.
Fixed gear is a blast, a brutal workout in hills, but most modern frames won't work easily.
Hello. Thanks for the video. I have one very unpopular question. Is it right to run ALL cables (from rear brake leaver and from shifter) on the one side of the top tube? Because in all my bikes this solution leads to small inert turn the handlebar. I hope my question is understandable.
Do you think a stock Poseidon with $200 worth of upgrades would bring it closer to the budget build?
WTB Nano and Transcontinental?? I think you might have some things mixed up here... TCR is predominantly a paved road race.
Lol definitely, I don’t remember which one I’m thinking
@@Spindatt apparently, according to wtb website, You ment Tour Divide 😅
Niche mountain biker end-of-video reference. The High Roller downhill style tyre is certainly not slick!
Came across this vid as thinking of converting a 2003 Trek 820 to drops and possibly a 1x...vs. getting something new...enjoyed watching, you have a new sub. thoughts on a noob tackling something like this? Maybe I should just get a Poseidon!
you can do it. Just take your time and be patient
@@Spindatt anything i should know about changing the shifters? Have to tell you that SRAM 1x I saw on Posseidon's site is tempting tho!
Two questions-
Wheres that trail/gravel that you tested the bike out on?
How about buying the Poseidon and putting the extra $200ish into upgrading parts on that, how would you say that compares?
I just realized I wasn't subscribe been watching for so long. My bad. Subscribe done. Your videos are Awesome like always
Super cool bike!
Looks good
I want to do this now!
I could have sworn you did a Poseidon build like a year ago and I can’t find the video anywhere.
There’s a few of them!
i love this guy
How does this compare to the cheapest fuji jari as a budget gravel build? Anyone?
Noooooo not my High Rollers 😥
Is that a 26" wheelset?
Looks dope to me
Well.. that one over there is an aspen. you can tell because of the way it is.
What wheel size ?
Hi, I wish I could have a bike like yours. Im searching a budget gravel bike here in the Philippines but I can't find anything they are to expensive. When i always watch your vlig specially this one about budget gravel bike. I hope that I can have that one this coming New Year 2021 so that I can do exercise and i can used it for my traveling.
Should’ve told him he should’ve looked at it.
I would definitely ride the Norco over the Poseidon
i like how you build from a crap bike into a semi crap bike
hahaha that's put exactly the way i was hoping someone would
I like slicks.
So are you going to build a old 26 inch gravel bike now?
I pretty much did a drop bar conversion on an old 26er mtb. Might do another drop bar conversion on a hybrid...lol
Is fork from Ali?
No it’s a real Easton fork
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#1 tire for the Tour Divide, not the TCR ;)
That’s the one!
Still would have gone for a Poseidon.
Lol I almost brought you up in this video because I knew you would say that haha! Like you said before, it was a fun build, it’s just more reasonable to get the Poseidon
Anodised rim brake surface = instant fail, everything else is good but not worth the money compared to buying a second hand gravel bike. Actually I would just buy the Poseidon & put TRP HY/RD brakes on it.
better buy poseidon and put those 200$ into upgrading
The guy put Sram equipment and he's talking about budget😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I've tried to upgrade my bike with only Sram Apex 1 and couldn't caus it was as expensive as I could get another gravel ready to run
$211.98 should have been your total budget. Sorry but this is not a budget build. I was really hoping to find some used parts to upgrade shifters, derailers, and/or cranksets.
Just look at it.
YUHHHHHHH
Pre 100 views, fuck yes