Haha that comment about the "you hypocrites don't need to go away mad, you just need to go away" comment just earned you a click on that subscribe button...great shootin'! Looks beautiful out there.
Do the same with bunnies in Australia using the .22LR at up to 100yards. Some warrens are large and you can go through a brick (500) of bullets in a day. Love your passion and can watch all day. Non shooters do not understand the environmental destruction these little creatures can do if left unchecked.
Great Videos on the Hornet. You talked me into picking up a slightly used CZ 527 in 17 Hornet. Barrel threaded, trigger adjusted, and pillar bedded... now we load ammo, and wait for spring.
Once again great shooting!! I am loving the .17HH also!! I love the hills of TN where I am from but I really like the openness of your country in SD. Keep the good work!!
That looks so fun. Great set up. I live in southeast Alaska on an Island. It amazes me how wide open and flat that area is. Someday I’ll visit SD. Thanks for posting
Used to shoot those critters on a ranchers barley field in central CA. He welcomed us, said the dogs take 10% or more of his grain and with his wheeled harvester the mounds and tunnels are a problem too.
need more guys like cave dweller around,no candy coating or worries about your soft ass feelings,tells it like it is and if you don't like it tough shit.. keep up the kik ass videos and thanks
Nice shooting! I'm practicing on my Tikka Tac 1 in 6.5mm. I'm hoping to pop off some long distance Crow/Corvid shooting in the UK, when i get a decent Hornady ELD-X load that's shooting straight and true! You seem to be doing just fine with your set-up! Well done!
Hi Cavedweller, thanks for the robust reply. I reckon the rancher uses every bit of available land. Shepherds here also use large areas of low grade land to grow sheep for mutton, so I understand removing vermin that degrade the feed supply. Check out David Attenborough the naturalist regarding ground hogs and prairie dogs. Seems like they dig out the sub soil minerals and it gets mixed with buffalo fertiliser to make the prairies bloom. That little 17 Hornet sure hits hard and still leaves something left to photograph. I did enjoy watching your shooting skill.
The 17 hornet is a fantastic and efficient cartridge, really aught to be more popular. With a good reloading setup it's probably the best way to stretch money across as many varmints as possible.
Love your video's, your extremely honest and knowledgeable. I'm hoping to own a cz455 th in. 22 soon and I appreciate everything that you do in a way that everyone can understand. Thank you and good luck from Northern Ireland 🇬🇧 ATB... BILLY.
This is making me miss the black hills. Was there in june and it was beautiful. Went to wyoming for a job interview and drove through S. Dakota on way home to illinois. Those of you that live there have a piece of heaven. Take care of it. I'll be back for some walleye fishing next summer
I have 17 hornet myself. I know how easy it is to fall in love with that little gun. I enjoy your video's , you helped the with glass bed of my own 17. Keep up the work. I have one question. does SD require a hunting for shooting dogs? Thanks again.
Hi there, I have a Brno fox 2 in 17 ackley hornet that I love using on Indian mynas. Is your suppressor 223 caliber or is it a dedicated 17 caliber unit? Can you use a 223 suppressor on a 17 and get good sound suppression? Regards
I wish we had prairie dog in England there great to shoot . Shot a load back in 2002 just outside Rapid City. Hopefully coming back next year. Anyway good shooting . Going to watch you use the 22-250 now.
This is kinda off topic but how do you like that Tacoma truck? I've been a pretty loyal Ford Guy for all of my life but the Toyotas really look good and I keep hearing how good of trucks they are. Great video keep shooting those dogs.
Love it. Drove nothing but Ford until this P.U. They start to nickel & dime you to death after 100K or so. It's got a 4 banger & 5 speed stick, runs 20mpg on the interstate with the air and stereo cranked. I've replaced the left head light bulb twice in 148,000 miles.
cavedweller1959, I have a dilemma, my son has the same rifle 527, 17 hornet, took rifle apart for reblueing of barrel and lost magazine catch. If you could take your stock off, what number is stamped on the magazine catch ? thanks, Jerry
Great shooting mate love your work !!! We do similar things here in Australia with rabbits !!! With 22lr most times but if there a bit spooky we go to the 17hmr !! The 17 hornet hasn't really taken here as yet and the 17 super mag is making its mark !! But with 223 rounds so cheap here most will just go straight to is if the 17hmr cant get it done !!! But we do keep a few for the pot !!! Thats y the 22lr is preferred when possible !! Less meat damage !!!
Sweet targets?.peaceful squirrels and others...If you come and do that in my country(France) you will go back with .12 chevrotine in your legs...or worst...
That's good clean fun right there! I picked up a Savage 25 Walking Varminter chambered in .17 hornet last year and just started reloading ammo for it. It is an absolute tack driver with Hornady factory ammo so I'm hopeful that I can at least equal the performance with my hand loads . It's a costly little round up here in Canada, and there are a lot of Prarie dogs to shoot. Up here we refer to them as gophers though. Great videos by the way, I have watched many of yours and just had to sub.
If you study reloading. Learn how to do it right. You can make better ammo than factory. It is not that difficult. All guns are a bit different, even the exact same caliber from the same manufacturer. At benchrest matches all the competitors make their own. You can’t buy factory ammo for my rifle. Have fun! Be careful. Just think about what you are doing. You will be fine.
bosstube Good question. Yup those bullets are tiny. I like using the Hornady die set, they have a little cone shaped tube that comes down out of the die that helps a lot to get the bullet sitting square on the case as you push the ram up. With my big fingers I’d have to use needle nose pliers with a RCBS die.
The more I shoot the 17H , the more I appreciate the range, lack of recoil and it's somewhat low cost to reload. The suppressor is just icing on the cake, which makes for more shooting on heavily shot towns. Thanks for Watching.
Nice shooting. I love my CZ 455 Trainer, got the .17 HMR barrel in there now, but also own a .22lr barrel. Getting a itch for a new caliber, looking and learning about the .22 Hornet, .17 Hornet, .17 WSM, and maybe the Ruger .204. I got AR's in 223/5.56 so don't think I want those calibers in a bolt action.
I’ve got the same gun too. And it’s consistent, everything you feed it groups at 1.5”. Until you set the bullets .010 off the lands and then it tightens right up. But then you can’t use the mag. And to feed it single shot is really ugly, you have to hold the gun vertical and then aim carefully and drop.
@@cavedweller1959 Gday mate. Mine seems to like American Eagle. But i am soon going to try some reloads. I believe they should be better than 1.5" at 100m
That looks like fun! Wish we had them in South Carolina. What's the average head count by the end of a shooting session? Seems like you said you fired 89 bullets in about 4 hours and I guess I saw 15 or so varmints get whacked. Did you shoot more that we didn't see? How many shots does it usually take at that distance per prairie dog? Thanks
rick vance I was wondering ,do you like your ruger model 77 17 hornet over your cz 527 , or really no choice ? I have a savage 17 hornet but i must say ,the looks of the cz have me thinking about spending the money ..
The Ruger went away some time ago. It had to be cleaned every 20-25 rounds to maintain accuracy. Not a good feature for a dog town rifle. This CZ, it's gone well over 350 rounds with no side effects. Ya gotta like that.
I don't believe so, It's working with less than 1/2 the powder of the .223. I run this one with a suppressor, you hear a light crack, the bullet cutting the air and whaappp
For what I use them for, the 17 gains me, maybe a hundred yards on P-Dogs. If your buying for hunting coyotes, go NOTHING less than a 50 or 55gr bullet at 3000 FPS or so. .223 Rem, the 22-250 is better. If you are going light weight, the 17 with the heaviest bullet you can find that shoots straight would be my pick.
Responsible shooter thinning out the over crowding of rodents while providing food for predators and carrion eaters. In our area ground squirrels will eat their dead, so there is no waste.
The one that holds the most powder. In my case it's the 17 Hornet at 3600 fps or so. If you want better than 4000 fps, you may want to look into a 17 Remington, ammo will be hard to find. If you are limiting me to rimfires, the WSM is a hands down winner.
A simple and not very expensive Canon Vixia HF R800. First one was $330.00, lost it on a coyote hunt out west. Replaced it with a refurbished one off of Canons web site for something like $160.00
Love your videos and love the 17 Hornet! The suppressor must be a luxury for you, even the 17 Hornet is loud unsuppressed. Keep em coming, I'm going to go out for some footage with my Hornet tomorrow hopefully.
I've got me a lovely CZ 527 American second hand, picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It's shooting amazing too. Averaging 0.2-0.4 MOA with 25 grain V-Max and it's so much lighter than my varmint one was. I'm running 9.4 grains of Lil Gun with CCI BR4 primers and it's just stacking them. Best group so far was 0.19" :)
I left central Kentucky 5 years ago , and Reilly miss groundhog hunting ,hunted mostly with hopped-up 243 + 222 rem. Mag. Moved to Florida for health . And have not pulled a trigger sense then. I enjoy your popping a cap in the little varmints.
i've hunted dogs in the panhandle of Texas. Shooting a 223, the dog acted about what you are experiencing, but with a 17 HMR it created a pink mist as the dog exploaded! My longest shot was 320 yards with the 17 HMR
Nether of the 2 ever had blue copper fouling during cleaning, but the Ruger, after 25-30 rounds would hit every where but where I had aimed. Accuracy went completely out the window. I don't recall the exact number but it was well over 200 before the CZ gave up the accuracy. The set trigger is a sweet bonus also.
Hey Cavedweller, I just picked up a 17 Fireball, have you tried any bullets from manufacturers other than Hornady? Was thinking of trying some Berger's or maybe even some Lehigh's. Thanks!
It doesn't, With a 600 FPS difference they will never be in the same class. I think the WSMs biggest downer is the price of ammo, almost $35.00 a 100.. Can you see any hard core high volume dog shooters dropping 75 - 100 bucks or more to feed one rifle that realistically is only a 200-225 yard killer----per day??
Not where I started, but what I settled on. With Hornady V-Max pills, I load 11.8gr of AA 1680 with the 20gr & 10.5gr with the 25gr. My favorite is Hornady's discontinued 25gr HP with CFE BLACK. This is in my CZ, When I started with the 17H, it was a Ruger HB, that one did best with Lil Gun.
@@cavedweller1959 Thanks I know that no 2 barrels are the same and all will shoot different, but that gives me something to look at for possibly a start....besides my loading manual.
I’m trying to find my load on the 25g HP. I grabbed 400 when I had the chance. It shot the factory’s insanely well. I have CFE BLACK. Had to send rifle back to get the right bolt and it’s not going well with the new one. I’ve also heard the AA 2200 worked well also. Tough time finding any powder. Are you able to fit your loads in their magazines ?
@@vicproulx8062 Due to everything that’s going on with ammo and loading supplies, I can’t find AA1680 anywhere, and I refuse to pay the astronomical prices for CFE BLK. I however found some AA2200 locally that was dirt cheap. Read about some guys using it on 20g pills with good success....although most posts were with 25g. I decided to try with 20g Hornady’s to see how it went. Sub .5 MOA all day in a Savage M25, loads super easy. Just got some 20g Nosler HP that I’m gonna try also. Currently rebarreling a Win 43 in 218 bee to a 17 Ackley Bee with a Schilen barrel. Can’t wait to see how that smokes em 😉
Hey great video I've got a cz 527 17 hornet over here in the UK. They are a great round fast and flat when we get wind we just dope the scope. Keep the videos coming sir much love UK hunter 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
When you punch them through the lungs, do you have an exit hole?? Back in my trapping days, I shot several dry land snared ones { ballistic Gelatin } sideways with a 22 Hornet-35gr V-Max- Every one had an exit wound. Just wondering.
So, strange question maybe but here goes.. do the prairie dogs eat their own dead ? We have ground squirrels up here that will feed on each other after being shot, kinda strange watching them drag their buddy down a hole and chew on his head. Nice shooting by the way !
I don't recall ever seeing p-dogs actually eating their dead bros, but we have a few flicker tails, Franklin Ground Squirrels I think, They eat the dead. Play the wind right & you shoot all day and never move, you can see them coming from several 100 yards when they catch a whiff of blood.
Ok I bought a cz527 17 hornet. What is your preferred optic? You have 7 yrs on me but I was a welder so I cant see squat without my glasses at range. Lol
Like the sound of these rifles. I'm just concerned with the availability of the rings on the market, my scope will sit far too high for a good cheek weld. What say you CaveDweller? Or anyone else who can help. I have also heard the bolt can have issues with hitting the scope bell.
I use Warne medium hight rings on mine. In this video there is a 50mm scope with some room to spare. I have no issues with the bolt or cheek weld. If you can't find rings locally, check Optics Planit.com.
Thanks for your videos. I like the yard numbers before each shot. Maybe do a close up and slow motion on some of the good ones. Looking forward to seeing more.
Great vid mate! A bit like rabbit shooting here in Australia, except your setup is more elaborate with the table and umbrella. Also, we can't carry a pistol. Not legal for hunting and we certainly can't shoot snakes. Go to jail for that here as they are protected. Crazy huh! We have 7 of the top 10 deadliest snakes in the world and THEY'RE protected. Keep up the good work man. Love the vids. Oh also, we can't have suppressors down here. They can across the Ditch (New Zealand) but not us!
Haha that comment about the "you hypocrites don't need to go away mad, you just need to go away" comment just earned you a click on that subscribe button...great shootin'! Looks beautiful out there.
Do the same with bunnies in Australia using the .22LR at up to 100yards. Some warrens are large and you can go through a brick (500) of bullets in a day. Love your passion and can watch all day. Non shooters do not understand the environmental destruction these little creatures can do if left unchecked.
Love your work. Thank you for sharing your passion with us all.
Thanks for taking the time make the video. Enjoyed watching.
Great Videos on the Hornet. You talked me into picking up a slightly used CZ 527 in 17 Hornet. Barrel threaded, trigger adjusted, and pillar bedded... now we load ammo, and wait for spring.
CFE BLK with the Hornady now discontinued 25gr HP is by far the most accurate so far. This spring I'll be using the 20gr V-MAX.
Thank you for the great video and the excellent commentary. I love that rifle and the caliber. More videos please!
Once again great shooting!! I am loving the .17HH also!! I love the hills of TN where I am from but I really like the openness of your country in SD. Keep the good work!!
That is one fine looking CZ and piece of glass.
Nice shade setup too in the country.
That looks so fun. Great set up. I live in southeast Alaska on an Island. It amazes me how wide open and flat that area is. Someday I’ll visit SD. Thanks for posting
Loved the video. Thanks for filming, editing, posting and otherwise taking us along. More videos!
Love your stuff Cavedweller. Keep it going
We love your "down-home" definitions! Just found your channel this morning! 😊
Used to shoot those critters on a ranchers barley field in central CA. He welcomed us, said the dogs take 10% or more of his grain and with his wheeled harvester the mounds and tunnels are a problem too.
Those were ground squirrels, not prairie dogs. I love shooting ground squirrels!
need more guys like cave dweller around,no candy coating or worries about your soft ass feelings,tells it like it is and if you don't like it tough shit.. keep up the kik ass videos and thanks
Nice shooting! I'm practicing on my Tikka Tac 1 in 6.5mm. I'm hoping to pop off some long distance Crow/Corvid shooting in the UK, when i get a decent Hornady ELD-X load that's shooting straight and true! You seem to be doing just fine with your set-up! Well done!
Awesome videos in some of the most spectacular country I’ve ever seen. Thanks for sharing !!
CZ makes some very nice guns. I got the 452 in 22lr. Really nice quality.
Hi Cavedweller, thanks for the robust reply. I reckon the rancher uses every bit of available land. Shepherds here also use large areas of low grade land to grow sheep for mutton, so I understand removing vermin that degrade the feed supply. Check out David Attenborough the naturalist regarding ground hogs and prairie dogs. Seems like they dig out the sub soil minerals and it gets mixed with buffalo fertiliser to make the prairies bloom. That little 17 Hornet sure hits hard and still leaves something left to photograph. I did enjoy watching your shooting skill.
Nice shooting. Looks like a fun day, and as you said it beats working. Thanks for all your videos.
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for creating enjoyable content.
The states is definitely on bucket list and when I do Ive go to see South Dakota,love your clips.
The 17 hornet is a fantastic and efficient cartridge, really aught to be more popular. With a good reloading setup it's probably the best way to stretch money across as many varmints as possible.
great job loved it!! really liked the driving in part! truck performed admirably
Love these videos I watch so many of your videos great for seeing good builds as well keep it up
Love your video's, your extremely honest and knowledgeable. I'm hoping to own a cz455 th in. 22 soon and I appreciate everything that you do in a way that everyone can understand. Thank you and good luck from Northern Ireland 🇬🇧 ATB... BILLY.
Thanks for coming along.
A great setup you have, lovely country and a fine commentated video. Thank you
This is making me miss the black hills. Was there in june and it was beautiful. Went to wyoming for a job interview and drove through S. Dakota on way home to illinois. Those of you that live there have a piece of heaven. Take care of it. I'll be back for some walleye fishing next summer
Great Video Thanks Cavedweller!
Hat goes off to ya cave man 😎 excellent shooting 🔫 + that ute set up is wicked. 😎🤩😎
real nice shooting, just love the 17 range they pack a good punch for a little round,
one of my fav rifle for small game
This might be a dumb question, but what do you do with all prairie dogs you shoot? Also your stock bedding videos are great. I learned a lot. Thanks.
Zuke Dog birds need to eat too, plus they make good fertilizer.
New sub - like your refreshing view on life and direct commentary.
I have 17 hornet myself. I know how easy it is to fall in love with that little gun. I enjoy your video's , you helped the with glass bed of my own 17. Keep up the work. I have one question. does SD require a hunting for shooting dogs? Thanks again.
If hunting license was the question, Then the answer is yes. Thanks for Watching.
I am about to become a resident of SD. Love it.
I enjoyed watching that from the UK ...love the 17 Hornet ..
great shooting, yr shooting setup at back of truck is awesome, just curious are Prairie Dogs nice to eat..?? great videos, beautiful country...
Makes me homesick. Thanks for the share
That is some pretty country out there. I'm planning a run out to Wyoming this year with dogs very high on the list. Really looking forward to it too!
Salve gentilmente mi può dire che cannocchiale usa su la cz 527 in questo video grazie...
It was fun watching. Thanks for sharing.
Hi there, I have a Brno fox 2 in 17 ackley hornet that I love using on Indian mynas. Is your suppressor 223 caliber or is it a dedicated 17 caliber unit? Can you use a 223 suppressor on a 17 and get good sound suppression? Regards
I think he said it was for 17's only. He said that a 222 or 223 would rupture it.
@cavedweller1959 hi, what is the name of the rings that you are using for your scope? thx
Warne, 30MM medium height.
@@cavedweller1959 thank you
I wish we had prairie dog in England there great to shoot . Shot a load back in 2002 just outside Rapid City. Hopefully coming back next year. Anyway good shooting . Going to watch you use the 22-250 now.
This is kinda off topic but how do you like that Tacoma truck? I've been a pretty loyal Ford Guy for all of my life but the Toyotas really look good and I keep hearing how good of trucks they are. Great video keep shooting those dogs.
Love it. Drove nothing but Ford until this P.U. They start to nickel & dime you to death after 100K or so. It's got a 4 banger & 5 speed stick, runs 20mpg on the interstate with the air and stereo cranked. I've replaced the left head light bulb twice in 148,000 miles.
@@cavedweller1959 Awesome, Thank you, sounds like my kind of ride
Great video! Thanks!
cavedweller1959, I have a dilemma, my son has the same rifle 527, 17 hornet, took rifle apart for reblueing of barrel and lost magazine catch. If you could take your stock off, what number is stamped on the magazine catch ? thanks, Jerry
Not stamped, but it looks like #3
Hey cavedweller love the videos I’m also a fellow Praire dog hunter it’s just a boatload of fun
Great shooting mate love your work !!! We do similar things here in Australia with rabbits !!! With 22lr most times but if there a bit spooky we go to the 17hmr !! The 17 hornet hasn't really taken here as yet and the 17 super mag is making its mark !! But with 223 rounds so cheap here most will just go straight to is if the 17hmr cant get it done !!! But we do keep a few for the pot !!! Thats y the 22lr is preferred when possible !! Less meat damage !!!
Can you give me some info on the suppressor? Thanks.
Made by Mack Brothers in Sturgis SD. Called the Tango, full titanium, about 4 oz. Made for rimfires but will handle up to the 17 and 22 Hornets.
Awesome JOB,,, love to watch you work!!!! Scenery ain't half bad either!!!
Very nice country & great shooting sweet targets!!
Sweet targets?.peaceful squirrels and others...If you come and do that in my country(France) you will go back with .12 chevrotine in your legs...or worst...
Are these Factory rounds 20gr Vmax ? ,I like the 25grn Vmax and 25grn HP , but also my cz527v as a fondness for 20grn berger hp . Nice video thanks
All hand loads today, 20 gr V-Max, AA1680 powder & CCI #400 primers.
Nice one i too use AA1680 (LovexDO63) cci400 .
Great fun 17 hornet is impressive. Thank you for your video.
That's good clean fun right there! I picked up a Savage 25 Walking Varminter chambered in .17 hornet last year and just started reloading ammo for it. It is an absolute tack driver with Hornady factory ammo so I'm hopeful that I can at least equal the performance with my hand loads . It's a costly little round up here in Canada, and there are a lot of Prarie dogs to shoot. Up here we refer to them as gophers though. Great videos by the way, I have watched many of yours and just had to sub.
If you study reloading. Learn how to do it right. You can make better ammo than factory. It is not that difficult. All guns are a bit different, even the exact same caliber from the same manufacturer.
At benchrest matches all the competitors make their own. You can’t buy factory ammo for my rifle.
Have fun! Be careful. Just think about what you are doing. You will be fine.
Question I'm thinking about getting a 17H how bad is it seating those tiny bullets I haven't had much trouble with 22H is it much worse
bosstube Good question. Yup those bullets are tiny. I like using the Hornady die set, they have a little cone shaped tube that comes down out of the die that helps a lot to get the bullet sitting square on the case as you push the ram up. With my big fingers I’d have to use needle nose pliers with a RCBS die.
seriously awesome stuff. loving the caliber with the surpressor. I want to do some similar stuff.
The more I shoot the 17H , the more I appreciate the range, lack of recoil and it's somewhat low cost to reload. The suppressor is just icing on the cake, which makes for more shooting on heavily shot towns. Thanks for Watching.
Hope you see this cavedweller! How does a suppressed 17 hornet compare to a suppressed 17hmr? Hard to tell with videos. Is it say 10 percent louder?
Without a meter, I'd say they are the same. You get the sonic crack, then the bullet wizzing down range, and hopefully, WHAAP.
Nice shooting. I love my CZ 455 Trainer, got the .17 HMR barrel in there now, but also own a .22lr barrel. Getting a itch for a new caliber, looking and learning about the .22 Hornet, .17 Hornet, .17 WSM, and maybe the Ruger .204. I got AR's in 223/5.56 so don't think I want those calibers in a bolt action.
I love it when they flip.
Gday mate.
I have the same gun but i am having trouble finding its preferred bullet.
Also, how often do you clean the barrel on yours?
I have gone as many as 275 rounds with no issues, and I'm sure it could have gone that many more. What is yours preferred bullet??
I’ve got the same gun too. And it’s consistent, everything you feed it groups at 1.5”. Until you set the bullets .010 off the lands and then it tightens right up. But then you can’t use the mag. And to feed it single shot is really ugly, you have to hold the gun vertical and then aim carefully and drop.
@@cavedweller1959 Gday mate. Mine seems to like American Eagle. But i am soon going to try some reloads. I believe they should be better than 1.5" at 100m
What did one prairie dog say to the other???................Red Umbrella 12 oclock..............RUN!!!!!!!
I enjoy your videos. Please keep them going. Beautiful country!
That looks like fun! Wish we had them in South Carolina. What's the average head count by the end of a shooting session? Seems like you said you fired 89 bullets in about 4 hours and I guess I saw 15 or so varmints get whacked. Did you shoot more that we didn't see? How many shots does it usually take at that distance per prairie dog? Thanks
Love your vids, cheers
Love this stuff- That rifle is about as hard to find as a white elephant; CZ quit manufacturing them which really blows.
rick vance I was wondering ,do you like your ruger model 77 17 hornet over your cz 527 , or really no choice ? I have a savage 17 hornet but i must say ,the looks of the cz have me thinking about spending the money ..
The Ruger went away some time ago. It had to be cleaned every 20-25 rounds to maintain accuracy. Not a good feature for a dog town rifle. This CZ, it's gone well over 350 rounds with no side effects. Ya gotta like that.
@@cavedweller1959 power surge cut me it looks like,, love the 17 hornet ,mine seems to like 20 gr. noslers happy shooting
Is the 17 hornet as loud as 223? I'm looking for something that isn't as loud
I don't believe so, It's working with less than 1/2 the powder of the .223. I run this one with a suppressor, you hear a light crack, the bullet cutting the air and whaappp
Do you prefer the 17 or the 22 hornet? Looking at buying a savage 25 in one of those calibers for lynx and coyote.
For what I use them for, the 17 gains me, maybe a hundred yards on P-Dogs. If your buying for hunting coyotes, go NOTHING less than a 50 or 55gr bullet at 3000 FPS or so. .223 Rem, the 22-250 is better. If you are going light weight, the 17 with the heaviest bullet you can find that shoots straight would be my pick.
Responsible shooter thinning out the over crowding of rodents while providing food for predators and carrion eaters.
In our area ground squirrels will eat their dead, so there is no waste.
Nice shooting. I dont have a 17cal.Im a 22WMR fan.I may get one.Which do you like BEST of the 17calibers? 17 WSM?
I like all of them. Which ones best depends on the moment.
@@cavedweller1959 honest answer.Not much help.Which one shoots farther?
The one that holds the most powder. In my case it's the 17 Hornet at 3600 fps or so. If you want better than 4000 fps, you may want to look into a 17 Remington, ammo will be hard to find. If you are limiting me to rimfires, the WSM is a hands down winner.
@@cavedweller1959 just curious - running at well above 3400 fps how many times have you replaced the barrels on your rifles. Love your set up BTW.
Nice of W C Fields to do your commentary for you!
I just picked up a 17 hmr CZ457 yesterday, didn't know they had a 17 hornet in a CZ, I've been wanting a 17 hornet
They don't; quit making them and used ones are $$$$$
What camera do you use for your shooting.
A simple and not very expensive Canon Vixia HF R800. First one was $330.00, lost it on a coyote hunt out west. Replaced it with a refurbished one off of Canons web site for something like $160.00
Love your videos and love the 17 Hornet! The suppressor must be a luxury for you, even the 17 Hornet is loud unsuppressed. Keep em coming, I'm going to go out for some footage with my Hornet tomorrow hopefully.
CZ or a Ruger?????
I've got me a lovely CZ 527 American second hand, picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It's shooting amazing too. Averaging 0.2-0.4 MOA with 25 grain V-Max and it's so much lighter than my varmint one was. I'm running 9.4 grains of Lil Gun with CCI BR4 primers and it's just stacking them. Best group so far was 0.19" :)
I left central Kentucky 5 years ago , and Reilly miss groundhog hunting ,hunted mostly with hopped-up 243 + 222 rem. Mag. Moved to Florida for health . And have not pulled a trigger sense then. I enjoy your popping a cap in the little varmints.
Great videos keep them coming
Nice shooting cavedweller1959
i've hunted dogs in the panhandle of Texas. Shooting a 223, the dog acted about what you are experiencing, but with a 17 HMR it created a pink mist as the dog exploaded! My longest shot was 320 yards with the 17 HMR
Hey buddy, what range finder do you use and why?
Leupold RX 1000. Way back when I bought it, it was the best I could get my hands on.
What rifle do you prefer in 17 hornet your 527 or m77?
Nether of the 2 ever had blue copper fouling during cleaning, but the Ruger, after 25-30 rounds would hit every where but where I had aimed. Accuracy went completely out the window. I don't recall the exact number but it was well over 200 before the CZ gave up the accuracy. The set trigger is a sweet bonus also.
Hey Cavedweller, I just picked up a 17 Fireball, have you tried any bullets from manufacturers other than Hornady? Was thinking of trying some Berger's or maybe even some Lehigh's. Thanks!
No , only what's available locally. Someday I will stumble onto something different or order online. Berger has a 30gr that has my interest.
cavedweller1959 Make sure you’ve got enough twist in that CZ to spin a 30 fast enough.
Looks like retirement!
Great shooting. How does your WSM compare to this hornet?
It doesn't, With a 600 FPS difference they will never be in the same class. I think the WSMs biggest downer is the price of ammo, almost $35.00 a 100.. Can you see any hard core high volume dog shooters dropping 75 - 100 bucks or more to feed one rifle that realistically is only a 200-225 yard killer----per day??
cavedweller1959 Can I ask why you prefer the 17H instead of 223R? 223 is pretty cheap, where I live just south of you the 17H is a little pricier.
Nice setup with the umbrella. All one needs to complete it is an ice cold drink.
Another great video cave dweller, what grain ammo were you shooting also do you reload for your 17 hornet or shoot factory, thanks for sharing.
That was a couple years back, going to take a guess at it, 25gr Hornady V-Max setting on top of AA 1680 with a CCI std. primer.
I have a 527 Carbine in .223 that's a tack driver too.
Just picked up .17 Hornet heavy barrel
I’m assuming you are loading these. Any starting suggestions for good load?
Not where I started, but what I settled on. With Hornady V-Max pills, I load 11.8gr of AA 1680 with the 20gr & 10.5gr with the 25gr. My favorite is Hornady's discontinued 25gr HP with CFE BLACK. This is in my CZ, When I started with the 17H, it was a Ruger HB, that one did best with Lil Gun.
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Thanks
I know that no 2 barrels are the same and all will shoot different, but that gives me something to look at for possibly a start....besides my loading manual.
I’m trying to find my load on the 25g HP. I grabbed 400 when I had the chance. It shot the factory’s insanely well. I have CFE BLACK. Had to send rifle back to get the right bolt and it’s not going well with the new one. I’ve also heard the AA 2200 worked well also. Tough time finding any powder. Are you able to fit your loads in their magazines ?
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Due to everything that’s going on with ammo and loading supplies, I can’t find AA1680 anywhere, and I refuse to pay the astronomical prices for CFE BLK. I however found some AA2200 locally that was dirt cheap.
Read about some guys using it on 20g pills with good success....although most posts were with 25g. I decided to try with 20g Hornady’s to see how it went.
Sub .5 MOA all day in a Savage M25, loads super easy. Just got some 20g Nosler HP that I’m gonna try also.
Currently rebarreling a Win 43 in 218 bee to a 17 Ackley Bee with a Schilen barrel. Can’t wait to see how that smokes em 😉
Hey great video I've got a cz 527 17 hornet over here in the UK.
They are a great round fast and flat when we get wind we just dope the scope.
Keep the videos coming sir much love UK hunter 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hell, spring still seems like it's 2 years away. But hopefully it's better than last year.
Love that little hornet 17 for beaver
When you punch them through the lungs, do you have an exit hole?? Back in my trapping days, I shot several dry land snared ones { ballistic Gelatin } sideways with a 22 Hornet-35gr V-Max- Every one had an exit wound. Just wondering.
@@cavedweller1959 shot in head never in body
@@cavedweller1959 i shot a muskrat with it in my yard vmax seams to explode on impact
@@cavedweller1959 totaly different from 22 hornet way more explosive
Excellent video, great shooting. yep gods country.
So, strange question maybe but here goes.. do the prairie dogs eat their own dead ? We have ground squirrels up here that will feed on each other after being shot, kinda strange watching them drag their buddy down a hole and chew on his head. Nice shooting by the way !
I don't recall ever seeing p-dogs actually eating their dead bros, but we have a few flicker tails, Franklin Ground Squirrels I think, They eat the dead. Play the wind right & you shoot all day and never move, you can see them coming from several 100 yards when they catch a whiff of blood.
I've seen PDs in my area, Black and White Tailed, eat their own and pull them down into their holes, presumably, to finish later.
You are one lucky fellow to be able to have access to such an area.
Which round do you like better between the .17 hornet and the
.17hmr? Or the
.17wsm
I like them all, but the "better" goes to the reload-ability of the Hornet. And if the others are not on sale, it's just as cheap, or cheaper.
@@cavedweller1959 thanks man and by the way thanks for your teachings on bedding
Ok I bought a cz527 17 hornet. What is your preferred optic? You have 7 yrs on me but I was a welder so I cant see squat without my glasses at range. Lol
Dollar for dollar, I'll take the Leupolds.
looks like fun. good job
Like the sound of these rifles. I'm just concerned with the availability of the rings on the market, my scope will sit far too high for a good cheek weld. What say you CaveDweller? Or anyone else who can help. I have also heard the bolt can have issues with hitting the scope bell.
I use Warne medium hight rings on mine. In this video there is a 50mm scope with some room to spare. I have no issues with the bolt or cheek weld. If you can't find rings locally, check Optics Planit.com.
Thanks for your videos.
I like the yard numbers before each shot. Maybe do a close up and slow motion on some of the good ones.
Looking forward to seeing more.
Good it’s prairie dogs. From the description I thought you were shooting domesticated dogs! Are prairie dogs of any value for pelt or meat?
The new to me 527
17 Hornet came to me pillar bedded!
Off to the reloading bench we go!
I've had my best luck so far with CFE Black.
That is one rifle I really want to get and that is some great shooting with that .17 HORNET
Great vid mate! A bit like rabbit shooting here in Australia, except your setup is more elaborate with the table and umbrella. Also, we can't carry a pistol. Not legal for hunting and we certainly can't shoot snakes. Go to jail for that here as they are protected. Crazy huh! We have 7 of the top 10 deadliest snakes in the world and THEY'RE protected. Keep up the good work man. Love the vids. Oh also, we can't have suppressors down here. They can across the Ditch (New Zealand) but not us!
Doesn't the left like quite guns, the will not wake up the protected snakes.
Tony Samson , Oh boy, another grammer nazi! Go get a life!!
Tony Samson , Ever heard the words anal retentive? Get a life grammer nazi.....