@@Ghostyboydead They lowballed dragon ball super and high balled bleach and completely ignored the hax negation thing in dragon ball just to give yhwach a chance. i get it. cuz if u fairly scale both yhwach isn't getting past base Goku post battle of gods.
@@SStormGamer hax negation is dragon ball only thing, that doesn't get equalised. and he lowballed bleached and ACCURATELY scaled dragon ball although he still wanked some super character.
@@kaliyuga14surfer88 The universe 7 macrocosm is a 5D-6D structure that contains multiple infinities and by default it makes it high multiversal multiversal - low complex multi depending on how u scale it
@@MaceDoGe_ That’s not true. If you’re using the statement from the Kai realm being transcendental? That’s debatable with the most recent information . Also 5D isn’t possible as we see time can affect them. Unless you argue that the 4th D isn’t time
The Miracle doesn’t just make him stronger and faster. It makes it where the more the odds are stacked against him, the larger boost or amount of information he is given. Like when the vizards were hiding from Gerard and the miracle showed him exactly where they were. Or when he had basically the whole Gotei fighting him at once so he became a giant And the death dealing isn’t just making poisons. It controls the LD-50 or Lethal Dose of any and all things. Basically meaning he could make Ki over a certain level lethal to anyone he chooses
Again, an argument like this gives Bleach too much respect in terms of its hax. Why do people often disregard the hax that DBZ characters have? Specifically, the ability to overpower Hax through sheer strength. Jiren has shown that with enough strength, you can basically power through anything. Jiren quite literally broke time. He was able to move in a space devoid of any time, which shouldn't be possible. I think people like to shit on DBZ because of how simple its power system is. And people don't like the argument of strength over hax. But the reality is: that IS the hax of DBZ.
@@solaris218this isnt how cross verse powerscaling works bro that is literally just the dragon ball verse in a bubble. Its why dragon ball characters can see and damage soul reapers in vs battles. This is giving dragon ball a huge bias when debating. Not at all how verse equalization works and you wouldnt even be able to prove that they can overpower non ki based haxes as every hax thats been shown to be overpowered is ki based. Thats why guldo didnt have his time stop canceled out because it comes from his race itself not his ki.
yall needa remember its said that the grand priest added space and time specifically into the world of the void so they could actually fight and exist there, otherwise i'd guess krillin has unaccessible speed.
@@RobloxianBalIer he specifically says the world of void meaning there’s an amount of area it takes up so it’s not some infinite space ppl can latch onto to say jiren’s power shakes infinity
Honestly both verses were downplayed but anybody from DBS negs, Yhwach is around the Buu saga tier you can place him wherever in that arc. Also who is that woman in your PFP?
Nahh Aizen vs Zamasu 😂😭 both are intelligent both are Gods both want to take over everything both are immortal both cheated to become way stronger like one wished for it the other fused with a object and both where obsessed with the MC
So it makes posions or any harmed affects stronger overtime. That's useful since Gohoan is capable of getting poisoned and goku us capable of catching a life threatening virus. So death dealing would have made these effects worse and speed up the process
@@DrunkenSoulReaper death bending is pretty broken, but dimensionality > hax any from DBS scales way higher than Yhwach and the verse as a whole, so they completely stomp neg diff, Yhwach is around DBZ's level of power like the Buu Saga or just below it but realrive enough.
Well to add on to dbs scaling they come in low multi as the clash in battle of gods arc that threatened to destroy the universe feat is referring to the macrocosm of universe 7 with each layer being infinite in size.
Don't forget that after those events...the form aka super saiyan god that caused that much power was soon absorbed into Goku base...and both his and Vegeta base are not only equal but grew exponentially and VERY significantly even after BoG - RoF So even in Base alone, Goku would be universal at a low ball And multiversal at a mid ball
Base goku post god power took out an attack that was stronger than shockwaves that was going to destroy U7 and its macrocosm and reduce into a void of nothingness.
Bro got these arcs mixed up Resurrection F is before the fight with hit Hit is far stronger than Golden Frieza from Resurrection F Goku used Blue with Kaioken after the Resurrection F arc
Ywach loses to fused zamasu because even tho he merged with a mortal he was still immortal and fused with the universe causing Zeno to erase the time line.
@@verbicidal884 I’d like for you to explain then how he kills someone’s who can merge im with the universe and took the entire time line with him. Because corrupted zamasu got defeated then he merged with the universe.
@@manny5648 if yhwach doesn’t win with hax it’s a stalemate at most , he’s immune to time attacks surely because he CONTROLS the ultimate form of time, yhwach has more possible ways that zam unfortunately, he’s not losing to screams and blast and damn sure not time attacks lmao
@@manny5648 You forgot that zamasu can't do anything to yhwach either Imo yhwach either wins or gets a stalemate against all characters below angels Angels have time manipulation and likely more absurd hax so they likely win with ease
@@manny5648 I mean, Yhwach was collapsing 3 universes at once. Seems pretty straight forward that he could defeat someone that merged with the universe. Plus, The Visionary. Reality warping through imagination manifestation. He can imagine that fused Zamasu has no immortality, no power, no anything he wants to make him lose. Not to mention, The Antithesis. He could just antithesis the universe fusion and give it to himself, amping himself
All 4 obliterate Z, but how far into Super they go depends on how you interpret the scaling. I’d say Jugram could potentially clear with the Soul King amped Almighty
7:51 1. It doesn’t matter if it is Filler or not because it was stated that Filler is still canon to the Anime of Dragonball Super and Z. 2. There are Infinite to even Immeasurable Speed Meta‘s in Super like Goku forcing himself into the Future to block Time Skip attacks or Jiren whose Power was stated to surpass time.
Fillers aren't cannon tho.. If bleach also uses its filler content than vasto lorde alone has some insane feats And vasto lorde is millions of times weaker than ichigo full power let alone yhwach
@@om9959 bro Do you realise that bleach's anime is more canon than manga lol If anything,for dbs, shaking the infinite void was retconned in manga and he didn't do it, and we should use manga because it was made after the anime
@@OvercookedOmlettethe more cannon is only for tybw ainme, the movies for bleach are 100% non cannon(though kubo likes the fight with ulquiorra more in the hellverse movie its still not cannon), and the anime filler for bleach is cannon. But dragon ball filler is also cannon(to the anime, they exist in their own continuity), the only non cannon dragon ball stuff is gt, z movies, and heros.
@@yourm8596 Bleach's first movie is canon It was referenced in manga and even the concept of valley of screams was brought up However the rest of movies aren't canon
9:28 - 9:55 Yhwach said himself during his first meeting with Aizen in Cour 1 of TYBW that it would take too long to kill Aizen (since he was on a time limit at the time and he also didn't have The Almighty yet. Let alone all the additional buffs that came after) not that he actually "couldn't kill him". Then he actually did kill Ichibei but the only reason he came back was bcus Ichigo spoke his name. We also clearly see Yhwach damaging both Ichibei and Aizen which Dangai Ichigo (who is equal to True Shikai Ichigo if not slightly weaker) did by himself in the Hueco Mundo Arc. So YES, Yhwach can actually hurt Zamasu (just like Goku was also hurting him and even SSJRage Future Trunks with his Spirit Sword could do). Also Yhwach could just destroy the Universe itself as he has the power to do so and even Fused Zamasu couldn't do anything about that.
a misconception you stated, the universe wasn’t destroyed, it was erased.. not only that he was erased by the literal strongest being in db so attributing this to Yhwach just doesn’t work, like at all
@@Ale2raw that's not a misconception, erasing counts as destroying. Yhwach himself in his own verse is also the Strongest being (which was before he even absorbed Reio and anything else that came after). But whether he is or isn't in Bleach doesn't matter as he still has the power to destroy multiple Infinite Sized Universes at the same time which Zamasu was shown to be defeated by in his own verse. Zamasu has nothing he can do to stop Yhwach from doing that under any circumstances.
@kaimobley5324 zamasu is litrally a multiversal threat and was a threat to other timelines so powerful he needs zeno to erase whereas yhwach was a threat to his own universe which is at best universal to low multi merged zamasu would litrally chew yhwach for breakfest
@@kaimobley5324 again you’re missing it, i know you’re desperate to give Yhwach the win but please don’t throw away your braincells in the process, erasing something & destroying something are not the same thing. you can destroy something by erasing it, but you can’t erase something by destroying it. it’s not the same thing. also just because yhwach is the strongest in his verse it doesn’t make him the strongest or close to the strongest in another verse, are you ok? 😭, zamasu was erased from existence by zeno, his ability is clearly different from goku’s who could also quite literally destroy multiple infinite sized universes at that point in the story since we know a weaker version of himself in the battle of gods movie was already while holding back, exerting enough power to destroy the uni 7 macrocosm which contains multiple inf sized realm with even inf spaces in between & kai’s world that’s transcendent. this goku later absorbeds that power into his base & in base gets millions of times stronger & unlocks a new form which he can stack kioken on😭, my point is that even goku who could’ve destroyed the macrocasm couldn’t beat zamasu. so again yes you had a misconception & it’s ok
The one thing is realized that you are underestimating there AP Goku in the Battle of God Arcs already scales to Multiversal at a lowball if you don’t take in metas like the After Live transcending dimensions so the would heavily outscale yhwach from the beginning
@@lupusreginabeta3318 it CANNOT be taken literally as it’s talking about DIMENSIONS/UNIVERSUS NOT SPATIAL DIMENSIONS. The burden of proof is on YOU to proof theyre talking about spatial dimensions which doesn’t even make sense in the context of the afterlife. Also no, no one in dragonball is escaping almighty and yhwach just absorbs them like he did Adeyneus/Reio
Yhwach Almighty works on the concept of "POSSIBLE futures" he is immortal as long as the possible future exist where he survives we should keep that in mind Also You're really highballing Yhwach here His hax does not matter here against people farr stronger than himself
That’s literally why hax are called hax 😂 you know that right? One of the main things is that they work against pretty much anyone. Otherwise they would just be abilities
@@ANIMECONTENT-rg5fe that’s a lie. It depends on the type of hax and also the opponents shown resistances to those hax . Think of Thor or Hulk for example , both of them are the same levels goku power wise and everyone else in the video yet theyve been mind controlled by people way below planetary. Another example is thanos being cut by wolverine’s claws…. Magic can hurt Superman…. There’s so many examples. Since when does being powerful make you ALL POWERFUL and immune to everything? Lmfao
Untrue. Yhwach's Almighty works on the concept of EVERY future. Not just the possible ones. He himself said that he sees every future as a grain of sand.
16:07 This would Kill Yhwach, and he would not be able to Create a Clone since Jiren is stronger, this power cost energy, and Yhwach do not have enough to do this
It was a good video, but... There's several things that have been misunderstood regarding Yhwach's ability. 1. [Regarding the Shrifts & Yhwach's powers] This is a pretty big misconception but contrary to the popular belief, Yhwach didn't give his sternritters their Shrifts, but simply a power boost [or awakening their shrifts]. The biggest proof of this would be the Bambies post TYBW arc [and into CFYOW novel], as even after having their voltstandings taken by Yhwach, they can still use their shrifts. All Yhwach did was take back the power he has bestowed upon them. And even if he possibly had access to their abilities, he wouldn't have access to the Miracle, Compulsory and Visionary, given all of them are abilities that belonged to the Soul King. 2. [The Almighty] As we had seen before, Yhwach is able to see countless futures and replace the current present with a future he has foreseen, thus bending fate to his whim. However, it is by no means flawless. For 1 - When Ichigo first slashed Yhwach witha gentsu tenshou after he fell for Kyokasuigetsu's Illsuion, Yhwach was able to bring himself back to life because in another future, he had not fallen before that attack. Even with that, Illusions could see affect his view. And for 2 - [Spoiler territory.] When Uryu pierced Yhwach with the still-silver arrow, it was said the effects of sealing his powers only worked for a mere instant, which was precisely the moment Ichigo used to strike down Yhwach. But even though he had survived an attack like that before, and the effects of the arrow lasting only for a mere moment, he still couldn't change the future to save himself, for he most likely died in all the other futures. The point is - If his enemy was strong enough, no matter how many futures Yhwach looks through, he wouldn't be able to change them due to result always being the same [aka him being not strong enough to actually do anything with his enemy], making his death assured. As an example of what i mean, What would Yhwach be able to do agaisn't someone of Beerus or Whis's level of power? I could probably see Goku losing most fight with him due to him always starting weak, so even if goku started out with UI, there is likely a future where he went super saiyan first. As a last note regarding beerus, If beerus landed hakai on Yhwach, it's pretty much over due to that would pretty much affect other futures he could see [somewhat like the same scenario with Still Silver.] Yhwach is by no means weak, but he's simply not strong enough to compete with the powerhouses of the dragonball franchise.
If we are going off end game yhwach, the almighty would see all futures before the fight, which means he would have a good idea of all their powers and abilities. The only reason he was defeated was due to aizen’s perfect hypnosis ability which by all means could affect the UI ability of auto dodge as well due to it being PERFECT hypnosis. The only people who would be a problem for him is the god of destruction and up, due to them having haki. But if he could see all the futures then he has prep time.
#1 is only true with Gerard,pernida,and gremmy as they are sk body parts but he would still have access to them especially in sk form but it was stated in the anime that yhwach grants ppl powers by giving up some of his blood and it engraves a letter in the user's soul of that user's schrift
@@datdudenic15wrong ui trascend time .The only thing yuwah will see is his death.Ignoring the fact the god ki itself extra dimensional ,super dimensional in bog arc.You will need at hyperversal reality warping to even afffect goku as extra dimensional powers were completely useless.
11:29 No because Zamasu could escape from the Jail by becoming Infinite Zamasu and merging with the Verse. So no Yhwach has no win con against Zamasu and Goku Black who has a lot higher and not similar AP would just resist these kinds of abilities. For Merged Zamasu it is worse because he totally overpowers Yhwach can escape sealing by Cutting Space and is Immortal and a way better fighter.
Yet Zamasu could do nothing to Yhwach in return due to the MANY Schrifts that just negate attacks and damage. The Deathdealing, The X-Axis, The Miracle, The Almighty, The Antithesis, etc.
@@Electures_Ksk-26 Then that would result in a Stalemate but i don’t even know why you think Yhwach has Access to all of those Schrifts if he really had to why didn’t he use a single one of them in his Fight against Ichigo Aizen and Co. He would have never lost if he actually would have used them so he is either not that smart or can’t use them.
So imagine this, Yhwach uses The Visionary to make several copies of himself then the clones all cheer for eachother activating the Superstar to constantly power him up, or just create copies of himself that are independent life, similar to what gremmy did, then use auswhalen to absorb them. Plus theres The X-Axis so he could just become light itself and make attacks just not work while firing off durability ignoring attacks that can't miss
I’m sorry but he has noway of dealing or surviving against Jiren. Jiren powers through any hax and it has been Proven. Jiren literally deletes Yhwach from existence just by glaring at him. And he shouldn’t get past Black Goku, one slash from Black’s scythe and he’s gone.
the thing about dragon ball is due to simple cosmology it cant scale higher than complex multiversal tier because possibly limited number of time lines and 100% limited amount of universes. it doesn't even matter that each universe has a couple of infinite dimensions inside the number is still limited and they follow the same laws of physics so they aren't completely unique.
He gets nowhere. Stop the wank he wouldnt beat ssj1 Goku in the BoG arc. Goku is years removed from fighting kid buu. Kid Buu was Galaxy+. With the ki reserves to erase clusters. Ywach is a wanked up multi planet level character at best.
I feel like x axis, wind, and the super star weren’t looked into enough, x axis is literally existence erasure but with a gun, the wind can deflect most physical attacks, and could you imagine the strength boost from superstar while he also has the miracle? Don’t forget about both Y schrifts since they also provide yhwach with a way to combat most who out stat him considering even cannon fodder like royd and loyd can be comparable to yhwach. Other undertakes powers would be the Z and U, since we’ve seen Gisselle zombify much stronger opponents, and the underbelly even working in aizen despite him being a war power because of his reiatsu
Firstly, Yhwach can't use the Schrifts he's absorbed. He just awakens powers in other and absorbs back straight spiritual energy. Also Yhwach could just look ahead to a future where he meets his opponents and their beaten and then apply that future. Just like how he snapped Ichigo's bankai repeatedly, he doesn't need the power to do it because there will always be a timeline where anything happens.
Imagine if ywach tried to face the grand priest as his first march 💀, not only would he be slaughtered, there is nothing ywach can do against the father of all angels
Hakai users/ that group of the angels are about the only ones who can beat him tbr. His hax would def get him past the rest after some time no one can kill him yet he def has ways to kill them , he’s shown to fight people faster than him with ease with the almighty so speed Isn’t much worth to yhwach, not to mention his speed is still relative even if it’s slower
If you give Yhwach access to all of the Schrifts he just wins, you underestimate the versatility and overpoweredness of the Schrifts. The offensive x-axis for example doesn't travel but instead erases matter between point a and point b and is unblockable and undodgeable. The defensive x axis just makes him intangible which fits perfect against physical fighters like that. Other Schrifts like the wind, the yourself, the balance, the antithesis, the miracle, the love, the zombie, the superstar, the vanishing point, the compulsory, the visionary and the death dealing which doesn't just affect blood but anything also ki, just add to his stats, immortality and versatility in controlling or damaging his opponents and their abilities.
debunking your video, this is why super characters win: 1st: "infinite number of souls" is obviously not infinite as there arent an infinite number of souls, the number of souls is finite, even if every single planet in our current universe had the entire history of earth. yamamoto being considered an actual opponent even though far below for ywhach while only being able to destroy a planet or more is still beginning of Z level scaling. shaking the heaven and earth of three worlds you claim to be a solar system level feat but that was still imperfect Cell level in dbz. ywhach threatening to destroy the three entire universes is similar to how buu was going to destroy the entire universe of dragonball includes the otherworld which nearly matches that scale, although ywhach obviously would destroy 50% more since theres a third one taken into account, so that means that so far thats just kidbuu + 50%. yes there are pocket dimensions but so are there in dbz, just look at the timechamber for example. Saying yhwach is mftl+ is correct but remember that dbz characters surpassed the speed of light at around 1300-1500 powerlevel, whereas dbz cell saga gohan should be around 10million or more and buu saga characters go higher than 150m if counting buuhan and vegito, or if your scaling kid buu above buuhan then youve got ssj3 end of Z goku at that level aswell. Whereas super goku at ssj3 would definately upscale from that and ssj2 ragemode vegita is faaar above this, then youve got ssjg goku tens or hundreds of times above this vegeta. Dont forget that the physical strength also power scales along with this, seeing as 10k powerlevel is required to obliterate a planet according to toriyama himself and we see characters tanking said planet-destroying attacks later on without flinching. If there is no reason to calc-stack? then you chose the wrong series to matchup against since dragonball is the grandfather of calcstacking. If you dont belive me, look at super! Kaioken goku even has speed surpassing literally stopped time. Yhwach being able to use attacks from the future would stilllack the attack power individually to harm the super characters as their physical damage capacity is far lower than even the end of Z characters. Keep reading for more explanations. if you are scaling super with the god absorbtion in mind, then you need to remember that "just a few punches can destroy the entire universe(macrocosm of several realities/dimensions)" when goku is battling beerus in his godform. and then add the ssj multipliers to that and then the god multipliers onto that. Black isnt the only one who can escape dimensions, all you need is a power level of initial Z supersaiyan 3 level or above to break through dimensions(near universal level in one singular attack, read the buuhan scaling statements of the manga before disapproving) seeing as superbuu and gotenks could break out of the timechamber dimension just byu yelling and powering up, this is reproven when Kale just powers up to escape a different dimension in the tournament of power. Your argument about turning goku blacks bodyparts into cookies to defeat him is overruled by the simple fact of dragonball: Powerlevels. Look at Vegito VS Buuhan, Vegito is turned to a literal chocolate and still lowdiffs buuhan who is a uni-multiversal being and vegito should be hundreds/thousands/millions of times weaker than goku black, depending on how you scale godki. Dragonball is a series where multipliers are consistently used, so you cannot ignore them just because you want to make it a fair fight. if you weant to claim that yhwach is as fast as black then you cant ignore the powerlevel multipliers since black should be faster than goku before the gokublack saga, in which he is literally trillions of times faster than light, if not more, going by statements about how vegito wouldnt be even near enough to beat beerus but ssG goku atleast comapres for them. Conclusion: Bleach characters shouldnt scale above early super or toptier Z characters if taking the above statements into account. You guys ignored these literal facts. I quit watching the video after black as ive already spotted all of the above flaws in your "powerscaling". HMU if you need some actual dragonball expertise. Im not even trying to upscale dragonball, im just using the material that's been given to us at face value. if i wanted to upscale, then i would use these arguments: Goku in original dragonball surpasses the speed of light according to statements by other characters in the piccolo junior saga, and he is only below 400 powerlevel at that point. he even goes toonforce when breaking through panels, and upscales from that point. Piccolo obliterates the moon in a few singular seconds to dust when around 400 powerlevel in the saiyan saga and should upscale from that. Vegetas pink clone in BASE is tanking ssj3 buutenks full powered attacks without flinching whereas buutenks can break through dimensions by only using his voice, and this is a vegeta that's far weaker than Hit as he only took a few shots before being taken out. Frieza is stated in early Z to be able to destroy the universe before even revealing 100% of his power, meaning that less than half of the original ssj goku's power should scale atleast to two universes, when at 150mill powerlevel give or take. Try me
Man, db scaling makes no sense 😭 i feel ywach would scale to super vegito in z but then dragon ball has like one statement where its like oh yeah this one character has the ability to destroy reality making them outerversal so i really never know
7:50 finally someone who is sensible enough to not scale dragon ball off fillers and scales it according to Toriyama's vision... A good video overall, Also the true power of the miracle is making the Impossible possible, that's why Gerard was able to escape Toshiro attack that literally negates all abilities, that's also why Gerard kept coming back from impossible death Scenario's 14:03 Jiren wouldn't be infinite speed due to being in the void of time cuz Roshi was moving there c'mon💀 15:07 the death dealing doesn't just help for poison, The death dealing is an ability that increases the lethal dosage of anything, like Askin showed he could make Jiren poisonous to things like Air and even Ki, so Jiren can't power up to negate it's effect because his ki is straight up poisonous to him (this could be a win con for the later fights too) The death dealing also helps it's user nullify the effect of any substance taken in, meaning he can nullify any form of damage if he survives it, which is why Yoruichi had to change her reiatsu 42 times per sec in other to damage Askin because even tho she was stronger without it Askin wouldn't take damage... So this is a big game changer against Jiren, broly and the gamma's cuz except they can change the ki type at that rate, they aren't gonna be able to damage Yhwach (which i don't think they can) 16:25 i don't think it's crazy to say Yhwach can't die given the fact he was going to Erase the concept of death from the verse alongside true immortality abilities like Hogyoku and the miracle existing (the only reason why Gerard died is ofc because Yhwach took his powers back without it he can't be killed) A win con against jiren and the rest is pretty simple, Yhwach uses the scrift yourself and turns into jiren then adds 80% of his power and memories to his own and battle against him which i don't see Jiren defeating a Jiren Yhwach fusion Another win con against jiren, broly, gamma's and cell max is the X axis, all Yhwach needs to do is give them a head shot it's instantaneous and it doesn't shoot bullet so they wouldn't see it coming, a portion of their head would just get erased there by ending them... Yhwach is also absolutely intangible with it but do with that as you will Overall Good video as the scaling themselves have no issue and is done perfectly without Overwanks on both sides and Yhwach could probably truly stop at beerus not because of Hakai (Hakai was already stated to not be capable of killing immortal beings) but because we have no true idea of knowing how strong Beerus really is, especially with him having an ulter ego type ability that gives him a stat boost alongside his current unquantifiable strength
Hn scaling goku to universe is wild and thats not filler u idiot i was used in the anime and manga to demonstrate how strong he’s become in his god form, the author even talks about it, tf u mean filler
It does not matter my guy even if Beerus erase Yhwach he will come back he can make himself stronger, he know everything that Beerus can do and can absorb his power
Truthfully speaking he might not make it past ssj namek goku even if you use the multi scaling for yhwach ssj goku in namek is also multi goku is massively faster than yhwach so its debatable anything past that and the others stomp badly
@@Rain-wis That's hyperbole lmao. Namek saga has no Universal feats nor is there implication that it's true, and even if the statement were literal it's only an overtime feat at best, since there's no evidence he'd be able to destroy it in one shot. And that would only scale to infinite 3D not multiversal lmao. So either way he'd be a grimmjow victim, Namek saga is fodder compared to top tiers of bleach, hell mid tiers could probably solo Namek saga that's how weak Namek saga is.
@@sphera4147 not a hyperbole it's stated by king Kai and in a dragon ball guide book I forgot where that scan came from but I can show it to you if you have a discord
@@sphera4147I would disagree I don’t think namek goku is multiversal but he’s easily star-multi solar system, as for yhwach he’s universal and maybe a lil bit over that but not multiversal and even if he was dbs Goku is multiversal to low complex
1:501:51 Actually he wasn’t that much below base Ywach in klub outside Kubo explanation is that royd &lloyd actually copy the power& abilities of Ywach but royd copies up to 80% of the power and memories . Loyd i believe does the same but it’s inverse so 80% of the memory but 20% of the power lvl/ability
Outside of Bleach, Yhwach is 99% unkillable, and not because Bleach has the highest power scale, but because in Bleach, if someone is much stronger than you, you can still beat them if you have a good ability like Antithesis or The Balance, which are literally a counter to everything. Kubo created the perfect weakness for the Allmighty and that is that he cannot see anything related to the parts of the Soul King and that is why he did not know about Mimihagi and that is also why Aizen's hypnosis affected him (the Hogyuku has the Soul King's nail) But we must clarify the powers of the Almighty which are: see and change the future in addition to knowing everything he sees (this was confirmed in the text that appeared halfway through episode 2) and here comes the best part and everything he sees cannot be used to kill him, meaning that it automatically makes the haxes and skills useless to him Now that he's out of the Allmighty, he has the ability to share his soul, meaning that if you hurt him or steal his powers, he can recover them by absorbing reishi or souls directly. He can steal powers via the "Holy Altar", he can absorb people and powers (like he did with the Soul King and Mimihagi). He has more abilities but I wanted to emphasize this, Yhwach and the sterriters can absorb souls, we know that the quincys fight using the reishi of the environment thus they create their arrows, swords, spears, platforms but when they are vollstanding they get a face crown on their head that allows them to control and absorb much more reishi. and also the "Skalve rai" is a technique that takes all the reishi from the environment to intensify the attacks but reishi means spiritual particles, that is to say they are souls because even the body of the shinigamis is made of reishi In fact, to enter the soul society you need a body of reishi (spiritual particles = souls) that is why Urahara used a portal to transform the body of Ichigo and the others into reishi so practically when entering or passing through this portal you become a soul And if Ichigo didn't come to save the day, Inoe, Chad, Nel and the 3 beasts were going to die because their bodies were being absorbed by Quilgue Opie and he completely absorbed Ayon.
He's not unkillable outside bleach if he's facing an opponent that's so strong where any attack would kill him in all timeliness he can't win the only reason he can run the gauntlet in bleach is that theirs always a way for him to survive those attacks so he rewrites the future if a person just erases everything their is no timeliness he would survive
I think you forgot to realize that the macrocosm scaling applies to early SSG base infused Goku. As King Kai felt the trembles of each strike Goku and Beerus dished out, meaning that their battle effected heaven, which is apart of the macrocosm. So that scaling applies wayyy earlier. You kind of downplayed some of the characters ngl. I have another issue with this, you mentioned Yhwach having the same win cons against Fused Zamasu, but that simply isn't true. Even if Zamasu dies, his essence becomes infinite Zamasu, and not only that, sealing him wouldn't work. I noticed that you said Goku Black only had the ability to make rifts in time, but that simply isn't true. The time ring grants that ability. And since they are fused, Fused Zamasu get's a time ring. He could just rift out. I feel like Yhwach actually loses to Fused Zamasu with his infinitely superior strength, speed, and some win con negations.
why? narrative-ly that doesn't make sense at all. why would a mere destroyer God be much stronger than their own field? for context even grand xeno is JUST complex multiversal+ so no destroyer god is even close to his league which matches the story of there only being a limited number of universes.
I’m so glad all of his schrifts were mentioned . A lot people forget all those powers , in reality though they allow yhwach to do pretty much everything
@@Electures_Ksk-26 regardless of that Yhwach said he can kill aizen who's immortal Although to give zamasu the benefits of the doubt Aizen's immortality is linked to the hogyoku although the hogyoku is completely merged with him but we don't know how yhwach can exactly kill aizen
@@OvercookedOmlette well the only way of getting rid of zamasu was erasing an entire timeline, which is a feat far beyond anything demonstrated in bleach
@@czarson6694 that's because he merged with the universe And regular hakai can't kill immortals If he didn't merge with it zeno would've only erased zamasu The soul king has demonstrated the ability to create new realms and can likely easily destroy them It's not a yhwach feat but the soul king can do such level of feats
Scales Yhwatch to low multiversal but says Golden Freeza in universal+ despite the BoG feat is on the exact magnitude (If not higher) than what Yhwach can do. Yhwatch is just 50 times weaker than both Freeza and Black, he stands no chance.
“I just did some research and came to this conclusion: even if you give Yhwach similar AP, he still gets outsped to the point where it’s like you see lightning coming but can’t move in time-and that’s me being extremely generous. Even with the Almighty, I highly doubt he would be able to react in time to Goku Black’s and Zamasu’s attacks, especially Goku’s. This would also fall under sealing as well; even if he could do it, is he quick enough to do it? And that’s if they don’t fuse on him. Even if they fuse, the power disparity becomes even more monstrous. They are nowhere close to being on the same scale. That’s a huge, blinded assumption that he could even remotely be on the same caliber. And even before we get to that point, he then has to deal with Kai Kai and Instant Transmission, which Goku Black has both. It’s not just Kai Kai. I just can’t see him overcoming the speed disparity here, even granting him equal AP. Even if he could somehow squeak by Zamasu, as you claim, he gets hard-stopped by Jiren. It’s not even close. Jiren and Zamasu are on completely different spectrums of power scaling-completely different. The only way to even make that argument is if Zamasu gets merked and merges with the universe. And maybe, with what Goku said, about maybe being able to beat him with a Senzu Bean, you could make that assumption. Now, maybe if you go with Akira Toriyama’s original draft, you could argue that he was supposed to be weaker, but even then, no. It’s not even a close fight. Because even Vegito Blue would get dog-walked with a leash. And I mean Vegito Blue, by the way. On the poison point: No, we do know how it works, because Frost used a poison/sedative against Goku, and it just made him drowsy and pass out. That technically still counts as poisoning someone, since he was sticking him with a needle. We do know how it works to a degree. And keep in mind, look at what happened with Lavender and Basil-Lavender used a poison against Gohan, and it messed him up. Goku and Vegeta used a ki shield against it. So that’s another part of that argument I want to make. Now, bringing in all the Hax abilities of Yhwach, again, he still needs to have the speed to be comparable in order to even have half of that be a viable option. If the speed disparity is still there, then you still have that problem. And killing Yhwach is the same as what you suggested with Zamasu-sealing him-because the cast has Mafuba. Now, regarding their abilities, I could make the same conclusion, as headcanon, that Zamasu could just do the same thing, because it becomes common knowledge later on that you can seal people in swords-Beerus did it, and he doesn’t have normal creation feats like the Supreme Kai’s do. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe Whis did it. Lastly, Yhwach’s hacks won’t necessarily work due to the speed disparity, other than him being… and again, I just gave you an option of putting him down, and that’s excluding destruction.”
I'm not sure why the discussion of Schrifts outside of the Almighty came up. Yhwach bestows Schrifts, yes, but those Schrifts were never part of his own abilities. They essentially manifest in the individual like Zanpakuto do for Soul Reapers. I believe Kubo himself answered a question regarding that topic on Klub Outside where he said that Yhwach absorbs a Sternritter's power (reishi) and memories upon their death -- but not their Schrifts.
@@MaigenMaylight no.He absorbs evrything that they are.Their souls,talents,abilities,etc. He can even take away your soul if you met him once.When you die your soul goes back to him.
@@Kenos347 Well even if he also absorbs souls he doesn't have access to their Schrifts. This wouldn't even make sense because if he killed and absorbed Gerard's soul with Auswählen, gained the Miracle, then he would've never died to Ichigo in the first place.
@@MaigenMaylight wrong.Yhwach was arogant during the entire fight and didn't want to use anything besides the almighty. It is also implied that the schrifts stack up on the almighty wich explains how he can affect reality to such a crazy extent.
@@MaigenMaylight It is stated in the mangs that the abilities of the individual returns to Yhwach.This is enough proof to say he has all of the quincy abilities.
Kubo knew yhwach would be in anime debates and he made sure to make yhwach nigh not impossible to defeat. Meaning yhwach is only beatable inverse not out verse, outside of the bleach verse he wrecks 99.999% of anime.
@@ForceFire472none in the big three, non in the new gen, negs half the isakai characters in there actual anime (meaning not ln) only verse that would outscale ywach are like guaran laggan, dbs, saint seiya and Magica Madoka. Saying most anime when i can really only think of four is wild
@@P0w_art you forgot Sailor Moon, Fate Stay Night, Umineko when they cry, I don't know if this is an anime but Shinza Bansho, and I believe Pokemon as well, agree with everything else though.
@@ForceFire472Fetharine can be killed before she uses her reality bending, Yhwah can see and alter futures after all. As for Arcus, Soul king creqted the universes of Bleach as qell and he posses the powers of that soul king including hos own almighty and future bwnding. Shinra is a weird case sincehe is all about that speed but yes fate and salor moon are broken. So the only 100 percent win is salor moon and fate stay.
Nice video! [SPOILERS: The few things I would say when it comes to the death dealing, the antithesis and the miracle is that -> the death dealing allows the user to manipulate the lethal dosage of a substance. The substance does not need to be biological, it can also be reshi (or ki in that case), -> the antithesis reverses the state of two targets. It does not necessarily need to reverse damage, it can also reverse other things, -> the miracle increases size but also, strength, speed, abilities, and damage output proportional to damage taken. The more unlikely the user is to win, the more power the user will gain] It is also implied that Yhwach cannot use the shrifts of other quincies, but that's nice content. Would like to see your version of a bleach character with all the abilities in the series going through a gauntlet
Ywach has access to V the Visionary. All he has to do is say “I can’t imagine a universe where KI exists” and bam. Everyone in DB dies. Plain and simple.
I don't understand bleach and dragon ball fight is not even close and besides Bleach characters can not hurt Dragon Ball characters anyways this debate needs to stop and Dragon Ball is outerversel level and bleach is only around universal
I love Bleach but stops at hit. Considering Yhwach is low multiversal and Kid buu is high uni and SSJ3 Goku is strong enough to beat kid buu, even if we say god Goku is a little less than SSJ3 is SSJB is 50x this then SSJB is 50x High uni putting him either in multiversal or high multiversal. You could argue that his Hax would help Yhwach but the power difference between them is too large for this to matter in my opinion
@@Bolts3 not how multipliers works. 50x High Uni would still be High Uni lmao, that wouldnt suddenly make him Multiversal or High Multiversal. Multipliers alone wouldn't allow you to cross dimensional tiers of power you need actual concrete feats for that.
@@sphera4147that’s just power wise he’s still wayy to fast for him and for example in saiyan saga kaiyoken is 20 times goku goes form 8 thousand to 16 thousand bro that’s two of him so that 50 gokus using that knowledge form the series gg buddy
@@Killerlildev Even if Goku were faster that still wouldn't matter as speed is useless against the almighty lmao. The Almighty allows Yhwach to see and change the future, meaning no matter how fast Goku maybe moving he'll already know everything Goku does in the future, so speed is completely irrelevant. Strength is also irrelevant too as true shikai ichigo was stronger than base Yhwach, and when Yhwach activated the almighty he completely negged ichigo like nothing, so the same would just happen to Goku.
@@sphera4147 If where using that logic dragon ball characters can over power hax with pure power been show with mind control and etc but I get what your saying gokus overall speed and power gap won’t matter because of the almighty 👍🏽
@@KillerlildevIt's not how It's work and nobody in DBS have that lvl of hax and Yhwach is Low Comp multi not low multi u gotta re read bleach u trippin
No way. Ywach has ability to take out immortals, it just takes time. A schrift that Ywach can use that are super effective are The Fear. Infinite Zamasu is a character fueled by emotions, and the stronger one is the harder they fall to fear.
7:01 I would not agree to this because Yhwach does not have the AP to resist Time Stop Hit would scale to Multiversal and Yhwach only to Low Multi. Because of that he would need to see the Future and deactivate it. The Speed of Hit is Infinite to even Immeasurable so Yhwach is never going to hit him. So if Yhwach can dodge Hit through seeing the Future he would not land a hit on hit and would not to damage to him either. Then the Point is that in Bleach and Dragonball the stronger resists the attacks of someone who is weaker so the Question is would the Almighty even work on Hit.
@@P0w_art frieza was going to destroy the universe 7 macro which is 5d and his powers were stated to be from another dimension and this wasnt even his final state
@@Godlykamuiggs Bro you're delusional 💀. It was never stated he was gonna destroy the entire macrocosm it's only referring to the living Universe lmao. You dragon ball fans always add stuff that isn't in the manga. And even if this feat was literal it would only get him to infinite 3D AT BEST, so he'd still get one shot by Ichigo 😂. And the statement is clear hyperbole as Namek saga has no Universal feats or implications proving he could destroy the Universe.
@@Godlykamuiggs If Frieza was truly that strong then explain to me why no Kai's ever said anything about the macrocosm being destroyed? In the BOG arc the Kai's were worried the clash between Beerus and Goku would cause the macrocosm to get destroyed, so if Frieza was that strong we would've gotten the same reactions, but we don't. You see how dumb this scaling sounds? Idk how you fanboys come to these conclusions 😂 .
@somersaultinggiraffe1901 lol db time travel don't work like that and anyway he cant kill real goku and before he time travel xeno goku will cook him Xeno goku existence erase bleach vers
W vid ngl but me personally i dont see Yhwach winning most of these fights. while yes he does have the hax to but win in db hax dont really mean anything if your opponent is stronger. dbs characters can just overpower others hax if they are stronger physically so the moment yhwach is physically weaker than a dbz character he would most likely lose. but that's just my opinion
I’m so confused how you guys got golden Frieza from Resurrection F above hit? Hit fought a stronger Goku and vegeta and was comparable in power Easily above frieza so I’m ?
I do think that Goku Black and Zamasu can be killed by The Balance, as it’s a highly meta schrift that basically says “hey, my other attacks aren’t working. . . Oh well! That means I have bad luck, which I can reflect onto you into an attack that *will* work.” Also just imagining immortals dead.
Yhwach can just steal other character’s powers….. plus he can absorb energy based attacks with the upgraded shield version of blut vene that he used against ichibe, and use the Almighty to just take or destroy others powers and abilities rendering them powerless…
Frieza was stated to be universal in frieza saga. Buu had many feats stated by vegito and dende. Goku stated that he moved into the future when he fought hit. Ssjg goku should be low multiversal in the first saga
The only thing wrong with what you said was that Yhwach has the powers of the other Quincies and that's because he only absorbs them and doesn't gain the power.
My only problem is the lack of thought when it came to some other the defensive capabilities and Schrifts of Yuwach specifically the death dealing. No DBS character can just switch and change their ki. Once yuwach gets a few hits from any characters ki they’re next to useless against him and could even die by him making their own ki toxic to their health.
To clear few things -this version of yhwach doesn't have antithesis as he never absorbed uryu -He can kill zamasu by absorbing him, although it'd take a lot of time until he gets the opportunity to
I like this vid but, I dont understand how they give broly the condition of breaking out of the jail but not jiren or zamasu? Especially when buu saga characters already proved escaped from dimensions was possible. Not to mentiom in that bleach (and dragon ball) if your character is stronger than you your ablities and hax just stop working. Plus goku black can cut into other dimensions and make equally strong clones of himself. I also feel like you down played fused zamasu who became one with an entire time line, becoming omnipresent and then was literally creeping into an the main time.
20:45 I like the editing & setup, though it looks like you missed a decent chunk of information on bleach and some on DBZ that would’ve made Ywach win more 21:55 He kinda can actually it just takes a lot of time… as currently he’s the new SK, Also wouldn’t miracle or the Xaxis or Visionary counter this? As doesn’t the x axis make you intangible & hado 50 does exactly what hakai does but others weaker than Yawach have negged it?
And if you're giving Resurrection F Golden Frieza a chance at killing Yhwach Hit is stronger than Resurrection F Golden Frieza Goku Black fodderizes him, he is stronger, faster, has wayy higher AP than Resurrection F Golden Frieza TOP Golden Frieza fodderizes him as he is wayy stronger here Jiren stomps, it's not close
For Zamasu, Imortality means he doesn't age. He got killed by future Trunks. Yuha would kill him as well. Moreover, the DB universe isn't based on actual science, toriyama didn't know the science behind half the things were talking about. He made it up, It's fiction. As far as power scaling and power scaler in general, its easy to destroy something the ability to create is the true feat.
So universe seven is comprised of multiple infinite sized universes like the realm of the Kai’s hell heaven and the mortal realm goku was gonna destroy all of these in a form that he absorbed into his base then he used ssj and then surpassed ssj with his base so base goku currently is at least mid tear multiversal given the fact that he is 50x stronger than his ssj god in base
2:10 individual universes? Heaven & Earth literally is "sky & ground" in the kanji of the 3 realms not universes unless proven there's 3 heavens in each realm not to mention they got affected by the gravity of the star so no disagree
How did you guys scale RoF Golden Frieza over Hit and KKx10 Blue Goku? He was slightly stronger than a weaker Blue Goku that didn’t do the 3 years of training in the time chamber with Vegeta? But I think Yhwach can clear even with him only being scales to low multi, simply due to his massive amount of hax and his immortality. But I think he straight up scales higher than them, Bleach has 5-D to 6-D scaling implications as Yhwach can destroy the space-time of the Dangai which is a 4-D hyperspace at least, and the Garganta and it’s space-time which is infinite compared to the Dangai. And if destroying a 3-D space-time is a 4-D feat, destroying a 4-D space-time (the Dangai) would be a 5-D feat and destroying a 5-D space-time (the Garganta) would be a 6-D feat
I'm sorry, I know you put effort into this video. But man I'd be lying if I said the research, scaling, and narrative logic was well researched. You guys downplayed dragon ball super a lot during the earlier portions of the video, you didn't actually explain how hits time skip gets negated by almighty, the inverse scaling chains were really bad in certain sections, you did not use more wincons with beings like merged zamasu, or goku black, you managed to heavily downplay zamasu saying he cant break through spacetime, you lied about the jail trapping you inside a different dimension. You have yhwach all shrifts even tho hes never on screen even showed to use a single one of them to give him all the hax, you downplayed battle of gods to uni+ for some reason. Its just all over the place.
10:29 That’s not how the miracle works. It’s based on the characteristics of if Gerard is at a disadvantage & the more unlikely thing happens for Gerard
Your scaling is very bad ngl.
@@Ghostyboydead They lowballed dragon ball super and high balled bleach and completely ignored the hax negation thing in dragon ball just to give yhwach a chance. i get it. cuz if u fairly scale both yhwach isn't getting past base Goku post battle of gods.
@@Ghostyboydead and they need a video.
@@SStormGamer hax negation is dragon ball only thing, that doesn't get equalised.
and he lowballed bleached and ACCURATELY scaled dragon ball although he still wanked some super character.
@@kaliyuga14surfer88 The universe 7 macrocosm is a 5D-6D structure that contains multiple infinities and by default it makes it high multiversal multiversal - low complex multi depending on how u scale it
@@SStormGamerhax negation only works in DB, GTFO
The DBS downplay is insane, Goku vs Beerus alone puts Goku to high multi with 5D AP MINIMUM
I can get him higher
@@Super_dragon981 Well yeah, that's why I said Minimum
@@MaceDoGe_ That’s not true. If you’re using the statement from the Kai realm being transcendental? That’s debatable with the most recent information . Also 5D isn’t possible as we see time can affect them. Unless you argue that the 4th D isn’t time
The Miracle doesn’t just make him stronger and faster. It makes it where the more the odds are stacked against him, the larger boost or amount of information he is given. Like when the vizards were hiding from Gerard and the miracle showed him exactly where they were. Or when he had basically the whole Gotei fighting him at once so he became a giant
And the death dealing isn’t just making poisons. It controls the LD-50 or Lethal Dose of any and all things. Basically meaning he could make Ki over a certain level lethal to anyone he chooses
Exactly!
Again, an argument like this gives Bleach too much respect in terms of its hax. Why do people often disregard the hax that DBZ characters have? Specifically, the ability to overpower Hax through sheer strength. Jiren has shown that with enough strength, you can basically power through anything.
Jiren quite literally broke time. He was able to move in a space devoid of any time, which shouldn't be possible.
I think people like to shit on DBZ because of how simple its power system is. And people don't like the argument of strength over hax. But the reality is: that IS the hax of DBZ.
A lot of characters ki alone will cancel bleach hax
@@solaris218 I’m not giving them too much respect. I’m literally just explaining the basics of how they work
@@solaris218this isnt how cross verse powerscaling works bro that is literally just the dragon ball verse in a bubble. Its why dragon ball characters can see and damage soul reapers in vs battles. This is giving dragon ball a huge bias when debating. Not at all how verse equalization works and you wouldnt even be able to prove that they can overpower non ki based haxes as every hax thats been shown to be overpowered is ki based. Thats why guldo didnt have his time stop canceled out because it comes from his race itself not his ki.
yall needa remember its said that the grand priest added space and time specifically into the world of the void so they could actually fight and exist there, otherwise i'd guess krillin has unaccessible speed.
Bingo.
bulma wasn’t in the world of void so your point was what again? 😂
@ oh mb, I could’ve sworn some human was, so let’s use krillin then thanks for the correction
Yea he added space and time to the ARENA why do people keep saying this.
@@RobloxianBalIer he specifically says the world of void meaning there’s an amount of area it takes up so it’s not some infinite space ppl can latch onto to say jiren’s power shakes infinity
Honestly both verses were downplayed but anybody from DBS negs, Yhwach is around the Buu saga tier you can place him wherever in that arc. Also who is that woman in your PFP?
Its Quanxi from chainsawman, highly recommend reading it is quite actually the best new gen🙏
@@P0w_art okay thanks
The hit fight was after freeza resurrection
15:25 death dealing also makes it's user immune to any attack the user is hit by.
Yep.
Not to mention the X-Axis that negates durability and makes the user invulnerable to all physical attacks
Yhwach vs goku black is so cool
Nahh Aizen vs Zamasu 😂😭 both are intelligent both are Gods both want to take over everything both are immortal both cheated to become way stronger like one wished for it the other fused with a object and both where obsessed with the MC
That’s not even a fight
@@eliascarbonell5482It definitely is. The fight is closer than you think, no matter who you think wins.
That fight will end up in a tie even thou zamasu has more strength @@theycallmejay2310
@@vn9574 no it isn’t
Beerus scales way higher than just universal
If his battle agaisnt super saiyan god has using a millionth of his power then theres no doubt
He is wayy beyond universal
Beerus wasnt even using 10 percent of his Powers in his fight with Goku and he wasnt using ui neither
why? he is not multiversal because thats grand zeno's tier.
@@kaliyuga14surfer88no bro Zeno exists outside the 12 universes that’s outerversal
Death dealing isn’t poison … it changes the lethal dosage of substances
So it makes posions or any harmed affects stronger overtime. That's useful since Gohoan is capable of getting poisoned and goku us capable of catching a life threatening virus. So death dealing would have made these effects worse and speed up the process
@@eduardopantoja9115 it can literally make their ki , lethal to them and he’d be immune to all their ki attacks….
@@DrunkenSoulReaper Deathdealing is not talked about enough. That shit is SCARY
@@DrunkenSoulReaper death bending is pretty broken, but dimensionality > hax any from DBS scales way higher than Yhwach and the verse as a whole, so they completely stomp neg diff, Yhwach is around DBZ's level of power like the Buu Saga or just below it but realrive enough.
@ that doesn’t apply to askin ……..
Well to add on to dbs scaling they come in low multi as the clash in battle of gods arc that threatened to destroy the universe feat is referring to the macrocosm of universe 7 with each layer being infinite in size.
Don't forget that after those events...the form aka super saiyan god that caused that much power was soon absorbed into Goku base...and both his and Vegeta base are not only equal but grew exponentially and VERY significantly even after BoG - RoF
So even in Base alone, Goku would be universal at a low ball
And multiversal at a mid ball
@@UG3017dubs
Base goku post god power took out an attack that was stronger than shockwaves that was going to destroy U7 and its macrocosm and reduce into a void of nothingness.
Bro got these arcs mixed up
Resurrection F is before the fight with hit
Hit is far stronger than Golden Frieza from Resurrection F
Goku used Blue with Kaioken after the Resurrection F arc
Ywach loses to fused zamasu because even tho he merged with a mortal he was still immortal and fused with the universe causing Zeno to erase the time line.
Immortality is basic in bleach dude , yhwach Merks unfortunately
@@verbicidal884 I’d like for you to explain then how he kills someone’s who can merge im with the universe and took the entire time line with him. Because corrupted zamasu got defeated then he merged with the universe.
@@manny5648 if yhwach doesn’t win with hax it’s a stalemate at most , he’s immune to time attacks surely because he CONTROLS the ultimate form of time, yhwach has more possible ways that zam unfortunately, he’s not losing to screams and blast and damn sure not time attacks lmao
@@manny5648 You forgot that zamasu can't do anything to yhwach either
Imo yhwach either wins or gets a stalemate against all characters below angels
Angels have time manipulation and likely more absurd hax so they likely win with ease
@@manny5648 I mean, Yhwach was collapsing 3 universes at once. Seems pretty straight forward that he could defeat someone that merged with the universe. Plus, The Visionary. Reality warping through imagination manifestation. He can imagine that fused Zamasu has no immortality, no power, no anything he wants to make him lose. Not to mention, The Antithesis. He could just antithesis the universe fusion and give it to himself, amping himself
Any character that scales above god goku from b.o.g are multiversal
Yhwach is wayyyyyy slower than any dbz character his future sight wouldn’t mean anything if can’t see them in the future
DBS characters are slow as fuck, and the Almighty transcends speed because its omniscience.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901Where tf you get this from tell me the source
Honestly, this is a REALLY good video. I also desperately want someone to do a video on Jugram/Senjumaru/Oetsu or Ichibei vs Dragon Ball.
All 4 obliterate Z, but how far into Super they go depends on how you interpret the scaling. I’d say Jugram could potentially clear with the Soul King amped Almighty
@@jocoolshow z was muli those guys are almost planetary
7:51 1. It doesn’t matter if it is Filler or not because it was stated that Filler is still canon to the Anime of Dragonball Super and Z.
2. There are Infinite to even Immeasurable Speed Meta‘s in Super like Goku forcing himself into the Future to block Time Skip attacks or Jiren whose Power was stated to surpass time.
Fillers aren't cannon tho..
If bleach also uses its filler content than vasto lorde alone has some insane feats
And vasto lorde is millions of times weaker than ichigo full power let alone yhwach
@@OvercookedOmletteThey literally used filler for bleach and 3 world shaking never happened in manga.While lowballing db to the core.
@@om9959 bro
Do you realise that bleach's anime is more canon than manga lol
If anything,for dbs, shaking the infinite void was retconned in manga and he didn't do it, and we should use manga because it was made after the anime
@@OvercookedOmlettethe more cannon is only for tybw ainme, the movies for bleach are 100% non cannon(though kubo likes the fight with ulquiorra more in the hellverse movie its still not cannon), and the anime filler for bleach is cannon. But dragon ball filler is also cannon(to the anime, they exist in their own continuity), the only non cannon dragon ball stuff is gt, z movies, and heros.
@@yourm8596 Bleach's first movie is canon
It was referenced in manga and even the concept of valley of screams was brought up
However the rest of movies aren't canon
Did you really say a rusty ultimate gohan is relative to a moro arc MUI Goku, ya should shift to some narrative content instead of powerscaling
Gremmy was Schutstafel. After his defeat, Askin was asked to join as he mentions being new to the group.
No he was at all, askin didn’t replace anyone
@@captianjyuubster8768 you sure about that
@@andrewrenshaw2741 100% Gremmy was locked up in a cell for most of his time in the Quincy army with only yhwach able to handle his power
Askin literally stated that Yhwach brought him up because of his power, and that he would be very hard to kill
Askin was one already before Gremmy was ended what are you talking about?
9:28 - 9:55 Yhwach said himself during his first meeting with Aizen in Cour 1 of TYBW that it would take too long to kill Aizen (since he was on a time limit at the time and he also didn't have The Almighty yet. Let alone all the additional buffs that came after) not that he actually "couldn't kill him". Then he actually did kill Ichibei but the only reason he came back was bcus Ichigo spoke his name.
We also clearly see Yhwach damaging both Ichibei and Aizen which Dangai Ichigo (who is equal to True Shikai Ichigo if not slightly weaker) did by himself in the Hueco Mundo Arc. So YES, Yhwach can actually hurt Zamasu (just like Goku was also hurting him and even SSJRage Future Trunks with his Spirit Sword could do).
Also Yhwach could just destroy the Universe itself as he has the power to do so and even Fused Zamasu couldn't do anything about that.
a misconception you stated, the universe wasn’t destroyed, it was erased.. not only that he was erased by the literal strongest being in db so attributing this to Yhwach just doesn’t work, like at all
@@Ale2raw that's not a misconception, erasing counts as destroying. Yhwach himself in his own verse is also the Strongest being (which was before he even absorbed Reio and anything else that came after). But whether he is or isn't in Bleach doesn't matter as he still has the power to destroy multiple Infinite Sized Universes at the same time which Zamasu was shown to be defeated by in his own verse. Zamasu has nothing he can do to stop Yhwach from doing that under any circumstances.
@kaimobley5324 zamasu is litrally a multiversal threat and was a threat to other timelines so powerful he needs zeno to erase whereas yhwach was a threat to his own universe which is at best universal to low multi merged zamasu would litrally chew yhwach for breakfest
@@kaimobley5324 again you’re missing it, i know you’re desperate to give Yhwach the win but please don’t throw away your braincells in the process, erasing something & destroying something are not the same thing. you can destroy something by erasing it, but you can’t erase something by destroying it. it’s not the same thing. also just because yhwach is the strongest in his verse it doesn’t make him the strongest or close to the strongest in another verse, are you ok? 😭, zamasu was erased from existence by zeno, his ability is clearly different from goku’s who could also quite literally destroy multiple infinite sized universes at that point in the story since we know a weaker version of himself in the battle of gods movie was already while holding back, exerting enough power to destroy the uni 7 macrocosm which contains multiple inf sized realm with even inf spaces in between & kai’s world that’s transcendent. this goku later absorbeds that power into his base & in base gets millions of times stronger & unlocks a new form which he can stack kioken on😭, my point is that even goku who could’ve destroyed the macrocasm couldn’t beat zamasu. so again yes you had a misconception & it’s ok
@@JadoBouhzam agree, these bleach fans are smoking something very very strong, read my reply to him if you have time.
The one thing is realized that you are underestimating there AP Goku in the Battle of God Arcs already scales to Multiversal at a lowball if you don’t take in metas like the After Live transcending dimensions so the would heavily outscale yhwach from the beginning
The afterlife statement would put goku at 5d, yhwach is also 5d by scaling from the garganta. Yhwachb slaps him + the verse with the almighty
@@patron6332 no the afterlife statement taken literally would put him at low outer and no Yhwach gets fd up by the upper echelon of the verse
@@lupusreginabeta3318 it CANNOT be taken literally as it’s talking about DIMENSIONS/UNIVERSUS NOT SPATIAL DIMENSIONS. The burden of proof is on YOU to proof theyre talking about spatial dimensions which doesn’t even make sense in the context of the afterlife.
Also no, no one in dragonball is escaping almighty and yhwach just absorbs them like he did Adeyneus/Reio
@@patron6332 yhwach doesn't enter super
@@patron6332if someone isn't bound by time they wouldn't be effected by almighty because it allows him to pick and choose the future.
great concept rhemy 🔥💯
Yhwach Almighty works on the concept of "POSSIBLE futures"
he is immortal as long as the possible future exist where he survives
we should keep that in mind
Also You're really highballing Yhwach here
His hax does not matter here against people farr stronger than himself
That’s literally why hax are called hax 😂 you know that right? One of the main things is that they work against pretty much anyone. Otherwise they would just be abilities
@@Sociallybeast01After certain levels Hax is negated completely
@@ANIMECONTENT-rg5fe that’s a lie. It depends on the type of hax and also the opponents shown resistances to those hax . Think of Thor or Hulk for example , both of them are the same levels goku power wise and everyone else in the video yet theyve been mind controlled by people way below planetary. Another example is thanos being cut by wolverine’s claws…. Magic can hurt Superman…. There’s so many examples. Since when does being powerful make you ALL POWERFUL and immune to everything? Lmfao
@@Sociallybeast01yeah this is true
But what is Yhwach suppose to do when there isn't the possibility of him surviving in any of the possible futures
Untrue. Yhwach's Almighty works on the concept of EVERY future. Not just the possible ones. He himself said that he sees every future as a grain of sand.
16:07 This would Kill Yhwach, and he would not be able to Create a Clone since Jiren is stronger, this power cost energy, and Yhwach do not have enough to do this
It was a good video, but... There's several things that have been misunderstood regarding Yhwach's ability.
1. [Regarding the Shrifts & Yhwach's powers] This is a pretty big misconception but contrary to the popular belief, Yhwach didn't give his sternritters their Shrifts, but simply a power boost [or awakening their shrifts]. The biggest proof of this would be the Bambies post TYBW arc [and into CFYOW novel], as even after having their voltstandings taken by Yhwach, they can still use their shrifts. All Yhwach did was take back the power he has bestowed upon them. And even if he possibly had access to their abilities, he wouldn't have access to the Miracle, Compulsory and Visionary, given all of them are abilities that belonged to the Soul King.
2. [The Almighty] As we had seen before, Yhwach is able to see countless futures and replace the current present with a future he has foreseen, thus bending fate to his whim. However, it is by no means flawless. For 1 - When Ichigo first slashed Yhwach witha gentsu tenshou after he fell for Kyokasuigetsu's Illsuion, Yhwach was able to bring himself back to life because in another future, he had not fallen before that attack. Even with that, Illusions could see affect his view. And for 2 - [Spoiler territory.]
When Uryu pierced Yhwach with the still-silver arrow, it was said the effects of sealing his powers only worked for a mere instant, which was precisely the moment Ichigo used to strike down Yhwach. But even though he had survived an attack like that before, and the effects of the arrow lasting only for a mere moment, he still couldn't change the future to save himself, for he most likely died in all the other futures.
The point is - If his enemy was strong enough, no matter how many futures Yhwach looks through, he wouldn't be able to change them due to result always being the same [aka him being not strong enough to actually do anything with his enemy], making his death assured. As an example of what i mean, What would Yhwach be able to do agaisn't someone of Beerus or Whis's level of power? I could probably see Goku losing most fight with him due to him always starting weak, so even if goku started out with UI, there is likely a future where he went super saiyan first. As a last note regarding beerus, If beerus landed hakai on Yhwach, it's pretty much over due to that would pretty much affect other futures he could see [somewhat like the same scenario with Still Silver.]
Yhwach is by no means weak, but he's simply not strong enough to compete with the powerhouses of the dragonball franchise.
Damn, so u tellin me most ppl glaze ywachs abilities and over wank em?
If we are going off end game yhwach, the almighty would see all futures before the fight, which means he would have a good idea of all their powers and abilities. The only reason he was defeated was due to aizen’s perfect hypnosis ability which by all means could affect the UI ability of auto dodge as well due to it being PERFECT hypnosis. The only people who would be a problem for him is the god of destruction and up, due to them having haki. But if he could see all the futures then he has prep time.
The only way to seal his powers is the still silver which is not accessible in these fights
#1 is only true with Gerard,pernida,and gremmy as they are sk body parts but he would still have access to them especially in sk form but it was stated in the anime that yhwach grants ppl powers by giving up some of his blood and it engraves a letter in the user's soul of that user's schrift
@@datdudenic15wrong ui trascend time .The only thing yuwah will see is his death.Ignoring the fact the god ki itself extra dimensional ,super dimensional in bog arc.You will need at hyperversal reality warping to even afffect goku as extra dimensional powers were completely useless.
Stop lowboling dragon ball
11:29 No because Zamasu could escape from the Jail by becoming Infinite Zamasu and merging with the Verse. So no Yhwach has no win con against Zamasu and Goku Black who has a lot higher and not similar AP would just resist these kinds of abilities. For Merged Zamasu it is worse because he totally overpowers Yhwach can escape sealing by Cutting Space and is Immortal and a way better fighter.
Yet Zamasu could do nothing to Yhwach in return due to the MANY Schrifts that just negate attacks and damage. The Deathdealing, The X-Axis, The Miracle, The Almighty, The Antithesis, etc.
@@Electures_Ksk-26 Then that would result in a Stalemate but i don’t even know why you think Yhwach has Access to all of those Schrifts if he really had to why didn’t he use a single one of them in his Fight against Ichigo Aizen and Co. He would have never lost if he actually would have used them so he is either not that smart or can’t use them.
So imagine this, Yhwach uses The Visionary to make several copies of himself then the clones all cheer for eachother activating the Superstar to constantly power him up, or just create copies of himself that are independent life, similar to what gremmy did, then use auswhalen to absorb them. Plus theres The X-Axis so he could just become light itself and make attacks just not work while firing off durability ignoring attacks that can't miss
yeah quincy hax are more like rules without limits rather than actual powers "the overkill" "the glutton" "the bomb"
@@kaliyuga14surfer88power over a concept
@@P0w_art the power has to be beyond logic in order to overpower concepts
Characters like goku barely transcended some concepts
@@OvercookedOmlette They didn't say overpower concepts, they said "power over a concept". It aint the same thing
@@Electures_Ksk-26 may you explain it further?
No there is absolutely no way for those schrifts of surpassing Zamasu‘s Immortality which was granted by the Super Dragonballs.
I’m sorry but he has noway of dealing or surviving against Jiren. Jiren powers through any hax and it has been Proven. Jiren literally deletes Yhwach from existence just by glaring at him.
And he shouldn’t get past Black Goku, one slash from Black’s scythe and he’s gone.
Jiren doesn't even have Existence Erasure lmao.
the thing about dragon ball is due to simple cosmology it cant scale higher than complex multiversal tier because possibly limited number of time lines and 100% limited amount of universes. it doesn't even matter that each universe has a couple of infinite dimensions inside the number is still limited and they follow the same laws of physics so they aren't completely unique.
Bro give dbs character the lowest scaling
Yhwach can absorb immortal charachters
Wait, let him cook bro. 🔥
And other character’s powers while mid-fight.
He gets nowhere. Stop the wank he wouldnt beat ssj1 Goku in the BoG arc. Goku is years removed from fighting kid buu. Kid Buu was Galaxy+. With the ki reserves to erase clusters.
Ywach is a wanked up multi planet level character at best.
Didn't realize recreating reality so that concepts like life and death cease to exist was a multi planetary feat.
I feel like x axis, wind, and the super star weren’t looked into enough, x axis is literally existence erasure but with a gun, the wind can deflect most physical attacks, and could you imagine the strength boost from superstar while he also has the miracle? Don’t forget about both Y schrifts since they also provide yhwach with a way to combat most who out stat him considering even cannon fodder like royd and loyd can be comparable to yhwach.
Other undertakes powers would be the Z and U, since we’ve seen Gisselle zombify much stronger opponents, and the underbelly even working in aizen despite him being a war power because of his reiatsu
Exactly those mixed would be busted! Especially X mixed with D & wind is exactly like the deflection aura Jiren does
Firstly, Yhwach can't use the Schrifts he's absorbed. He just awakens powers in other and absorbs back straight spiritual energy. Also Yhwach could just look ahead to a future where he meets his opponents and their beaten and then apply that future. Just like how he snapped Ichigo's bankai repeatedly, he doesn't need the power to do it because there will always be a timeline where anything happens.
Imagine if ywach tried to face the grand priest as his first march 💀, not only would he be slaughtered, there is nothing ywach can do against the father of all angels
I mean yea, ywach is hax but ovb dbs scalesUCH higher. Bro was dead before the fight started
Hakai users/ that group of the angels are about the only ones who can beat him tbr. His hax would def get him past the rest after some time no one can kill him yet he def has ways to kill them , he’s shown to fight people faster than him with ease with the almighty so speed Isn’t much worth to yhwach, not to mention his speed is still relative even if it’s slower
If you give Yhwach access to all of the Schrifts he just wins, you underestimate the versatility and overpoweredness of the Schrifts. The offensive x-axis for example doesn't travel but instead erases matter between point a and point b and is unblockable and undodgeable. The defensive x axis just makes him intangible which fits perfect against physical fighters like that. Other Schrifts like the wind, the yourself, the balance, the antithesis, the miracle, the love, the zombie, the superstar, the vanishing point, the compulsory, the visionary and the death dealing which doesn't just affect blood but anything also ki, just add to his stats, immortality and versatility in controlling or damaging his opponents and their abilities.
The universe 6 vs universe 7 arc happens AFTER resurrection of F.
Great vid man! but The ending feels a lil rushed 😩, Guenale - The vanishing point has some interesting play into the Hakai ability
debunking your video, this is why super characters win:
1st: "infinite number of souls" is obviously not infinite as there arent an infinite number of souls, the number of souls is finite, even if every single planet in our current universe had the entire history of earth.
yamamoto being considered an actual opponent even though far below for ywhach while only being able to destroy a planet or more is still beginning of Z level scaling.
shaking the heaven and earth of three worlds you claim to be a solar system level feat but that was still imperfect Cell level in dbz.
ywhach threatening to destroy the three entire universes is similar to how buu was going to destroy the entire universe of dragonball includes the otherworld which nearly matches that scale, although ywhach obviously would destroy 50% more since theres a third one taken into account, so that means that so far thats just kidbuu + 50%. yes there are pocket dimensions but so are there in dbz, just look at the timechamber for example.
Saying yhwach is mftl+ is correct but remember that dbz characters surpassed the speed of light at around 1300-1500 powerlevel, whereas dbz cell saga gohan should be around 10million or more and buu saga characters go higher than 150m if counting buuhan and vegito, or if your scaling kid buu above buuhan then youve got ssj3 end of Z goku at that level aswell.
Whereas super goku at ssj3 would definately upscale from that and ssj2 ragemode vegita is faaar above this, then youve got ssjg goku tens or hundreds of times above this vegeta.
Dont forget that the physical strength also power scales along with this, seeing as 10k powerlevel is required to obliterate a planet according to toriyama himself and we see characters tanking said planet-destroying attacks later on without flinching.
If there is no reason to calc-stack?
then you chose the wrong series to matchup against since dragonball is the grandfather of calcstacking.
If you dont belive me, look at super!
Kaioken goku even has speed surpassing literally stopped time.
Yhwach being able to use attacks from the future would stilllack the attack power individually to harm the super characters as their physical damage capacity is far lower than even the end of Z characters. Keep reading for more explanations.
if you are scaling super with the god absorbtion in mind, then you need to remember that "just a few punches can destroy the entire universe(macrocosm of several realities/dimensions)" when goku is battling beerus in his godform.
and then add the ssj multipliers to that and then the god multipliers onto that.
Black isnt the only one who can escape dimensions, all you need is a power level of initial Z supersaiyan 3 level or above to break through dimensions(near universal level in one singular attack, read the buuhan scaling statements of the manga before disapproving) seeing as superbuu and gotenks could break out of the timechamber dimension just byu yelling and powering up, this is reproven when Kale just powers up to escape a different dimension in the tournament of power.
Your argument about turning goku blacks bodyparts into cookies to defeat him is overruled by the simple fact of dragonball: Powerlevels.
Look at Vegito VS Buuhan, Vegito is turned to a literal chocolate and still lowdiffs buuhan who is a uni-multiversal being and vegito should be hundreds/thousands/millions of times weaker than goku black, depending on how you scale godki.
Dragonball is a series where multipliers are consistently used, so you cannot ignore them just because you want to make it a fair fight. if you weant to claim that yhwach is as fast as black then you cant ignore the powerlevel multipliers since black should be faster than goku before the gokublack saga, in which he is literally trillions of times faster than light, if not more, going by statements about how vegito wouldnt be even near enough to beat beerus but ssG goku atleast comapres for them.
Conclusion:
Bleach characters shouldnt scale above early super or toptier Z characters if taking the above statements into account.
You guys ignored these literal facts.
I quit watching the video after black as ive already spotted all of the above flaws in your "powerscaling".
HMU if you need some actual dragonball expertise.
Im not even trying to upscale dragonball, im just using the material that's been given to us at face value. if i wanted to upscale, then i would use these arguments:
Goku in original dragonball surpasses the speed of light according to statements by other characters in the piccolo junior saga, and he is only below 400 powerlevel at that point. he even goes toonforce when breaking through panels, and upscales from that point.
Piccolo obliterates the moon in a few singular seconds to dust when around 400 powerlevel in the saiyan saga and should upscale from that.
Vegetas pink clone in BASE is tanking ssj3 buutenks full powered attacks without flinching whereas buutenks can break through dimensions by only using his voice, and this is a vegeta that's far weaker than Hit as he only took a few shots before being taken out.
Frieza is stated in early Z to be able to destroy the universe before even revealing 100% of his power, meaning that less than half of the original ssj goku's power should scale atleast to two universes, when at 150mill powerlevel give or take.
Try me
@@Endermanet you should make a Reddit post
🙏🙏🙏🙏 nice debunked
Man, db scaling makes no sense 😭 i feel ywach would scale to super vegito in z but then dragon ball has like one statement where its like oh yeah this one character has the ability to destroy reality making them outerversal so i really never know
@@rhemv lol ty
Statements mean nothing.
7:50 finally someone who is sensible enough to not scale dragon ball off fillers and scales it according to Toriyama's vision... A good video overall,
Also the true power of the miracle is making the Impossible possible, that's why Gerard was able to escape Toshiro attack that literally negates all abilities, that's also why Gerard kept coming back from impossible death Scenario's
14:03 Jiren wouldn't be infinite speed due to being in the void of time cuz Roshi was moving there c'mon💀
15:07 the death dealing doesn't just help for poison,
The death dealing is an ability that increases the lethal dosage of anything, like Askin showed he could make Jiren poisonous to things like Air and even Ki, so Jiren can't power up to negate it's effect because his ki is straight up poisonous to him (this could be a win con for the later fights too)
The death dealing also helps it's user nullify the effect of any substance taken in, meaning he can nullify any form of damage if he survives it, which is why Yoruichi had to change her reiatsu 42 times per sec in other to damage Askin because even tho she was stronger without it Askin wouldn't take damage... So this is a big game changer against Jiren, broly and the gamma's cuz except they can change the ki type at that rate, they aren't gonna be able to damage Yhwach (which i don't think they can)
16:25 i don't think it's crazy to say Yhwach can't die given the fact he was going to Erase the concept of death from the verse alongside true immortality abilities like Hogyoku and the miracle existing (the only reason why Gerard died is ofc because Yhwach took his powers back without it he can't be killed)
A win con against jiren and the rest is pretty simple, Yhwach uses the scrift yourself and turns into jiren then adds 80% of his power and memories to his own and battle against him which i don't see Jiren defeating a Jiren Yhwach fusion
Another win con against jiren, broly, gamma's and cell max is the X axis, all Yhwach needs to do is give them a head shot it's instantaneous and it doesn't shoot bullet so they wouldn't see it coming, a portion of their head would just get erased there by ending them... Yhwach is also absolutely intangible with it but do with that as you will
Overall Good video as the scaling themselves have no issue and is done perfectly without Overwanks on both sides and Yhwach could probably truly stop at beerus not because of Hakai (Hakai was already stated to not be capable of killing immortal beings) but because we have no true idea of knowing how strong Beerus really is, especially with him having an ulter ego type ability that gives him a stat boost alongside his current unquantifiable strength
Hn scaling goku to universe is wild and thats not filler u idiot i was used in the anime and manga to demonstrate how strong he’s become in his god form, the author even talks about it, tf u mean filler
It does not matter my guy even if Beerus erase Yhwach he will come back he can make himself stronger, he know everything that Beerus can do and can absorb his power
Nicely pointed out🙇👍👍
@@Disgraced.1s 1/10 Ragebait
Get out
If you use the guide books for Bleach than you mast use guide books for db, and if you use them db outscales.
Learn how tò scale
Truthfully speaking he might not make it past ssj namek goku even if you use the multi scaling for yhwach ssj goku in namek is also multi goku is massively faster than yhwach so its debatable anything past that and the others stomp badly
@@Rain-wis Nobody in Namek saga is multi 🤦, stop wanking the verse Namek saga Goku is literally a Vasto Lorde victim
@@sphera4147 its stated that second form Frieza is able to destroy the universe and ssj namek Goku is massively stronger than second form Frieza
@@Rain-wis That's hyperbole lmao. Namek saga has no Universal feats nor is there implication that it's true, and even if the statement were literal it's only an overtime feat at best, since there's no evidence he'd be able to destroy it in one shot. And that would only scale to infinite 3D not multiversal lmao.
So either way he'd be a grimmjow victim, Namek saga is fodder compared to top tiers of bleach, hell mid tiers could probably solo Namek saga that's how weak Namek saga is.
@@sphera4147 not a hyperbole it's stated by king Kai and in a dragon ball guide book I forgot where that scan came from but I can show it to you if you have a discord
@@sphera4147I would disagree I don’t think namek goku is multiversal but he’s easily star-multi solar system, as for yhwach he’s universal and maybe a lil bit over that but not multiversal and even if he was dbs Goku is multiversal to low complex
1:50 1:51 Actually he wasn’t that much below base Ywach in klub outside Kubo explanation is that royd &lloyd actually copy the power& abilities of Ywach but royd copies up to 80% of the power and memories . Loyd i believe does the same but it’s inverse so 80% of the memory but 20% of the power lvl/ability
Outside of Bleach, Yhwach is 99% unkillable, and not because Bleach has the highest power scale, but because in Bleach, if someone is much stronger than you, you can still beat them if you have a good ability like Antithesis or The Balance, which are literally a counter to everything.
Kubo created the perfect weakness for the Allmighty and that is that he cannot see anything related to the parts of the Soul King and that is why he did not know about Mimihagi and that is also why Aizen's hypnosis affected him (the Hogyuku has the Soul King's nail)
But we must clarify the powers of the Almighty which are:
see and change the future in addition to knowing everything he sees (this was confirmed in the text that appeared halfway through episode 2) and here comes the best part and everything he sees cannot be used to kill him, meaning that it automatically makes the haxes and skills useless to him
Now that he's out of the Allmighty, he has the ability to share his soul, meaning that if you hurt him or steal his powers, he can recover them by absorbing reishi or souls directly. He can steal powers via the "Holy Altar", he can absorb people and powers (like he did with the Soul King and Mimihagi).
He has more abilities but I wanted to emphasize this, Yhwach and the sterriters can absorb souls, we know that the quincys fight using the reishi of the environment thus they create their arrows, swords, spears, platforms but when they are vollstanding they get a face crown on their head that allows them to control and absorb much more reishi.
and also the "Skalve rai" is a technique that takes all the reishi from the environment to intensify the attacks but reishi means spiritual particles, that is to say they are souls because even the body of the shinigamis is made of reishi
In fact, to enter the soul society you need a body of reishi (spiritual particles = souls) that is why Urahara used a portal to transform the body of Ichigo and the others into reishi so practically when entering or passing through this portal you become a soul
And if Ichigo didn't come to save the day, Inoe, Chad, Nel and the 3 beasts were going to die because their bodies were being absorbed by Quilgue Opie and he completely absorbed Ayon.
He's not unkillable outside bleach if he's facing an opponent that's so strong where any attack would kill him in all timeliness he can't win the only reason he can run the gauntlet in bleach is that theirs always a way for him to survive those attacks so he rewrites the future if a person just erases everything their is no timeliness he would survive
@ Exactly that's why I said 99%
I think you forgot to realize that the macrocosm scaling applies to early SSG base infused Goku. As King Kai felt the trembles of each strike Goku and Beerus dished out, meaning that their battle effected heaven, which is apart of the macrocosm. So that scaling applies wayyy earlier. You kind of downplayed some of the characters ngl. I have another issue with this, you mentioned Yhwach having the same win cons against Fused Zamasu, but that simply isn't true. Even if Zamasu dies, his essence becomes infinite Zamasu, and not only that, sealing him wouldn't work. I noticed that you said Goku Black only had the ability to make rifts in time, but that simply isn't true. The time ring grants that ability. And since they are fused, Fused Zamasu get's a time ring. He could just rift out. I feel like Yhwach actually loses to Fused Zamasu with his infinitely superior strength, speed, and some win con negations.
Yall gotta realize dragon ball characters breaks people hacks by power up goku straight up moved in hits time skip.
No limits fallacy
That only works for ki based powers. Any hax outside of DB completely ignores this rule.
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901By that logic the Almighty shouldn't able to steal powers or copy their Powers making him easily beatable.
12:44 did u ignore zamasu fused with the timeline or universe
Beerus scales LEAGUES beyond universal for starters
7:50 Toriyama confirmed all filler is canon in a mini manga interview
why? narrative-ly that doesn't make sense at all. why would a mere destroyer God be much stronger than their own field?
for context even grand xeno is JUST complex multiversal+ so no destroyer god is even close to his league which matches the story of there only being a limited number of universes.
@@kaliyuga14surfer88Dude what we can only scale zeno to complex multi because that's the only feats he has shown not because that's his max power.
@@RobloxianBalIer thats the max he gets because thats literally the limit of what the dragon ball cosmology allows him to do.
@@kaliyuga14surfer88 Exactly so how does that make the gods automatically weaker than zeno since that's the cap of the cosmology?
I’m so glad all of his schrifts were mentioned . A lot people forget all those powers , in reality though they allow yhwach to do pretty much everything
My naga fused zamasu is unkillable, the only way to kill him is to erase him.
I don't remember but is he sealable?
He could make Zamasu be poisoned by his own Ki
@@Electures_Ksk-26 regardless of that
Yhwach said he can kill aizen who's immortal
Although to give zamasu the benefits of the doubt
Aizen's immortality is linked to the hogyoku although the hogyoku is completely merged with him but we don't know how yhwach can exactly kill aizen
@@OvercookedOmlette well the only way of getting rid of zamasu was erasing an entire timeline, which is a feat far beyond anything demonstrated in bleach
@@czarson6694 that's because he merged with the universe
And regular hakai can't kill immortals
If he didn't merge with it zeno would've only erased zamasu
The soul king has demonstrated the ability to create new realms and can likely easily destroy them
It's not a yhwach feat but the soul king can do such level of feats
Scales Yhwatch to low multiversal but says Golden Freeza in universal+ despite the BoG feat is on the exact magnitude (If not higher) than what Yhwach can do. Yhwatch is just 50 times weaker than both Freeza and Black, he stands no chance.
They had to low ball dbs so much just so that yhwach can touch them. Like realistically B.O.Gs SSG Goku solos.
No he doesn’t
“I just did some research and came to this conclusion: even if you give Yhwach similar AP, he still gets outsped to the point where it’s like you see lightning coming but can’t move in time-and that’s me being extremely generous. Even with the Almighty, I highly doubt he would be able to react in time to Goku Black’s and Zamasu’s attacks, especially Goku’s. This would also fall under sealing as well; even if he could do it, is he quick enough to do it? And that’s if they don’t fuse on him.
Even if they fuse, the power disparity becomes even more monstrous. They are nowhere close to being on the same scale. That’s a huge, blinded assumption that he could even remotely be on the same caliber. And even before we get to that point, he then has to deal with Kai Kai and Instant Transmission, which Goku Black has both. It’s not just Kai Kai. I just can’t see him overcoming the speed disparity here, even granting him equal AP.
Even if he could somehow squeak by Zamasu, as you claim, he gets hard-stopped by Jiren. It’s not even close. Jiren and Zamasu are on completely different spectrums of power scaling-completely different. The only way to even make that argument is if Zamasu gets merked and merges with the universe. And maybe, with what Goku said, about maybe being able to beat him with a Senzu Bean, you could make that assumption. Now, maybe if you go with Akira Toriyama’s original draft, you could argue that he was supposed to be weaker, but even then, no. It’s not even a close fight.
Because even Vegito Blue would get dog-walked with a leash. And I mean Vegito Blue, by the way.
On the poison point: No, we do know how it works, because Frost used a poison/sedative against Goku, and it just made him drowsy and pass out. That technically still counts as poisoning someone, since he was sticking him with a needle. We do know how it works to a degree. And keep in mind, look at what happened with Lavender and Basil-Lavender used a poison against Gohan, and it messed him up. Goku and Vegeta used a ki shield against it. So that’s another part of that argument I want to make.
Now, bringing in all the Hax abilities of Yhwach, again, he still needs to have the speed to be comparable in order to even have half of that be a viable option. If the speed disparity is still there, then you still have that problem. And killing Yhwach is the same as what you suggested with Zamasu-sealing him-because the cast has Mafuba. Now, regarding their abilities, I could make the same conclusion, as headcanon, that Zamasu could just do the same thing, because it becomes common knowledge later on that you can seal people in swords-Beerus did it, and he doesn’t have normal creation feats like the Supreme Kai’s do. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe Whis did it.
Lastly, Yhwach’s hacks won’t necessarily work due to the speed disparity, other than him being… and again, I just gave you an option of putting him down, and that’s excluding destruction.”
16:52 with the win cons mentioned I think yhwach takes the W.
I said the same thing , his hax kills most of the dbz characters, he would prob die at hakai users only and it’s obvious
@@verbicidal884The Almighty won't work if a character is stronger than yhwach with a majority are.
I'm not sure why the discussion of Schrifts outside of the Almighty came up. Yhwach bestows Schrifts, yes, but those Schrifts were never part of his own abilities. They essentially manifest in the individual like Zanpakuto do for Soul Reapers.
I believe Kubo himself answered a question regarding that topic on Klub Outside where he said that Yhwach absorbs a Sternritter's power (reishi) and memories upon their death -- but not their Schrifts.
@@MaigenMaylight no.He absorbs evrything that they are.Their souls,talents,abilities,etc.
He can even take away your soul if you met him once.When you die your soul goes back to him.
@@Kenos347 Well even if he also absorbs souls he doesn't have access to their Schrifts.
This wouldn't even make sense because if he killed and absorbed Gerard's soul with Auswählen, gained the Miracle, then he would've never died to Ichigo in the first place.
@@MaigenMaylight wrong.Yhwach was arogant during the entire fight and didn't want to use anything besides the almighty.
It is also implied that the schrifts stack up on the almighty wich explains how he can affect reality to such a crazy extent.
@@Kenos347 You going off of official sources or just headcanoning some copium here? Because it does reek of headcanon.
@@MaigenMaylight It is stated in the mangs that the abilities of the individual returns to Yhwach.This is enough proof to say he has all of the quincy abilities.
Kubo knew yhwach would be in anime debates and he made sure to make yhwach nigh not impossible to defeat. Meaning yhwach is only beatable inverse not out verse, outside of the bleach verse he wrecks 99.999% of anime.
Okay he's broken but most animes neg him
@@ForceFire472none in the big three, non in the new gen, negs half the isakai characters in there actual anime (meaning not ln) only verse that would outscale ywach are like guaran laggan, dbs, saint seiya and Magica Madoka. Saying most anime when i can really only think of four is wild
@@P0w_art you forgot Sailor Moon, Fate Stay Night, Umineko when they cry, I don't know if this is an anime but Shinza Bansho, and I believe Pokemon as well, agree with everything else though.
@@P0w_art yhwach is hella wanked
@@ForceFire472Fetharine can be killed before she uses her reality bending, Yhwah can see and alter futures after all. As for Arcus, Soul king creqted the universes of Bleach as qell and he posses the powers of that soul king including hos own almighty and future bwnding. Shinra is a weird case sincehe is all about that speed but yes fate and salor moon are broken. So the only 100 percent win is salor moon and fate stay.
You also forgot that in dragon ball as long as you have more ki than the other enemy you can do anything
Everyone FORGETS that Soul King Almighty Yhwach STILL has access to Yamamoto's WHOLE Bankai 😆
So what? That bankai is fodder just like him
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Nice video! [SPOILERS: The few things I would say when it comes to the death dealing, the antithesis and the miracle is that -> the death dealing allows the user to manipulate the lethal dosage of a substance. The substance does not need to be biological, it can also be reshi (or ki in that case), -> the antithesis reverses the state of two targets. It does not necessarily need to reverse damage, it can also reverse other things, -> the miracle increases size but also, strength, speed, abilities, and damage output proportional to damage taken. The more unlikely the user is to win, the more power the user will gain]
It is also implied that Yhwach cannot use the shrifts of other quincies, but that's nice content. Would like to see your version of a bleach character with all the abilities in the series going through a gauntlet
pls make more bleach videos
Stops at buu saga if i am being honest
12:34 YES!!!
Why did they put the debut fight of SSB after the universe 6 tournament?
Ywach has access to V the Visionary. All he has to do is say “I can’t imagine a universe where KI exists” and bam. Everyone in DB dies. Plain and simple.
The problem is, you have to actually imagine it
And Also...was never stated that HE could use other powers.. @@JT-km6th
average bleach powerscaling glazer
@@Berlinh2😑
Lol if that was true he literally would have never lost to anyone.
I don't understand bleach and dragon ball fight is not even close and besides Bleach characters can not hurt Dragon Ball characters anyways this debate needs to stop and Dragon Ball is outerversel level and bleach is only around universal
I love Bleach but stops at hit. Considering Yhwach is low multiversal and Kid buu is high uni and SSJ3 Goku is strong enough to beat kid buu, even if we say god Goku is a little less than SSJ3 is SSJB is 50x this then SSJB is 50x High uni putting him either in multiversal or high multiversal. You could argue that his Hax would help Yhwach but the power difference between them is too large for this to matter in my opinion
@@Bolts3 not how multipliers works. 50x High Uni would still be High Uni lmao, that wouldnt suddenly make him Multiversal or High Multiversal. Multipliers alone wouldn't allow you to cross dimensional tiers of power you need actual concrete feats for that.
@@sphera4147that’s just power wise he’s still wayy to fast for him and for example in saiyan saga kaiyoken is 20 times goku goes form 8 thousand to 16 thousand bro that’s two of him so that 50 gokus using that knowledge form the series gg buddy
@@Killerlildev Even if Goku were faster that still wouldn't matter as speed is useless against the almighty lmao. The Almighty allows Yhwach to see and change the future, meaning no matter how fast Goku maybe moving he'll already know everything Goku does in the future, so speed is completely irrelevant.
Strength is also irrelevant too as true shikai ichigo was stronger than base Yhwach, and when Yhwach activated the almighty he completely negged ichigo like nothing, so the same would just happen to Goku.
@@sphera4147 If where using that logic dragon ball characters can over power hax with pure power been show with mind control and etc but I get what your saying gokus overall speed and power gap won’t matter because of the almighty 👍🏽
@@KillerlildevIt's not how It's work and nobody in DBS have that lvl of hax and Yhwach is Low Comp multi not low multi u gotta re read bleach u trippin
Scaling and Info was really bad, should've taken more time for the video... Sorry... But, it is still entertaining, just give it more effort.
Yhwach is easily infinite Zamasu victim
No way. Ywach has ability to take out immortals, it just takes time.
A schrift that Ywach can use that are super effective are The Fear. Infinite Zamasu is a character fueled by emotions, and the stronger one is the harder they fall to fear.
@@andrewrenshaw2741zamasu is not only immortal but literally fused with a 6-7d time line yhwach is not beating him
7:01 I would not agree to this because Yhwach does not have the AP to resist Time Stop Hit would scale to Multiversal and Yhwach only to Low Multi. Because of that he would need to see the Future and deactivate it. The Speed of Hit is Infinite to even Immeasurable so Yhwach is never going to hit him. So if Yhwach can dodge Hit through seeing the Future he would not land a hit on hit and would not to damage to him either. Then the Point is that in Bleach and Dragonball the stronger resists the attacks of someone who is weaker so the Question is would the Almighty even work on Hit.
Namek saga frieza slaps imo but W
@@Godlykamuiggs Hueco mundo ichigo victim
Explain how you got to that conclusion😅 cuz dragonball has crazy scaling so maybe there is a line of reasoning but i do not see it
@@P0w_art frieza was going to destroy the universe 7 macro which is 5d and his powers were stated to be from another dimension and this wasnt even his final state
@@Godlykamuiggs Bro you're delusional 💀. It was never stated he was gonna destroy the entire macrocosm it's only referring to the living Universe lmao. You dragon ball fans always add stuff that isn't in the manga. And even if this feat was literal it would only get him to infinite 3D AT BEST, so he'd still get one shot by Ichigo 😂. And the statement is clear hyperbole as Namek saga has no Universal feats or implications proving he could destroy the Universe.
@@Godlykamuiggs If Frieza was truly that strong then explain to me why no Kai's ever said anything about the macrocosm being destroyed? In the BOG arc the Kai's were worried the clash between Beerus and Goku would cause the macrocosm to get destroyed, so if Frieza was that strong we would've gotten the same reactions, but we don't.
You see how dumb this scaling sounds? Idk how you fanboys come to these conclusions 😂 .
Yhwach when he see that the first arc have multiversal feats :🤡
Goku when Yhwach goes into the future and kills him while he's old and weak: 🤡🤡🤡
@somersaultinggiraffe1901 lol db time travel don't work like that and anyway he cant kill real goku and before he time travel xeno goku will cook him
Xeno goku existence erase bleach vers
not time travel time manipulation yhwach can just rewrite the future so goku has a heart attack @IamHim-z6i
@@evanleone8434Lol thats now how his power works.He looks into the future and chooses the one he wants.
W vid ngl but me personally i dont see Yhwach winning most of these fights. while yes he does have the hax to but win in db hax dont really mean anything if your opponent is stronger. dbs characters can just overpower others hax if they are stronger physically so the moment yhwach is physically weaker than a dbz character he would most likely lose. but that's just my opinion
I’m so confused how you guys got golden Frieza from Resurrection F above hit?
Hit fought a stronger Goku and vegeta and was comparable in power
Easily above frieza so I’m ?
I do think that Goku Black and Zamasu can be killed by The Balance, as it’s a highly meta schrift that basically says “hey, my other attacks aren’t working. . . Oh well! That means I have bad luck, which I can reflect onto you into an attack that *will* work.”
Also just imagining immortals dead.
Y’all could do a “What if the Ichigo verse replace the Z fighters in TOP” would love to see how that goes!
Yhwach can just steal other character’s powers….. plus he can absorb energy based attacks with the upgraded shield version of blut vene that he used against ichibe, and use the Almighty to just take or destroy others powers and abilities rendering them powerless…
Frieza was stated to be universal in frieza saga. Buu had many feats stated by vegito and dende. Goku stated that he moved into the future when he fought hit. Ssjg goku should be low multiversal in the first saga
The only thing wrong with what you said was that Yhwach has the powers of the other Quincies and that's because he only absorbs them and doesn't gain the power.
never underestimate yhwach with all schrifts
I like how you did this heavy lowballing for dragon ball super to make it more fun
So you mean the Bleach cosmology scaly to low multiversal while the macrocosm only scales to universe level?
My only problem is the lack of thought when it came to some other the defensive capabilities and Schrifts of Yuwach specifically the death dealing. No DBS character can just switch and change their ki. Once yuwach gets a few hits from any characters ki they’re next to useless against him and could even die by him making their own ki toxic to their health.
Yo could you do Kobeni vs Miwa?
19:14 actually this would work as the robots us ki i believe
bruh yhwach with almighty is immune to existence erasure ,like he did when ichibei tries to erase him
He doesn't start lol 😂
To clear few things
-this version of yhwach doesn't have antithesis as he never absorbed uryu
-He can kill zamasu by absorbing him, although it'd take a lot of time until he gets the opportunity to
I like this vid but, I dont understand how they give broly the condition of breaking out of the jail but not jiren or zamasu? Especially when buu saga characters already proved escaped from dimensions was possible. Not to mentiom in that bleach (and dragon ball) if your character is stronger than you your ablities and hax just stop working. Plus goku black can cut into other dimensions and make equally strong clones of himself. I also feel like you down played fused zamasu who became one with an entire time line, becoming omnipresent and then was literally creeping into an the main time.
20:45 I like the editing & setup, though it looks like you missed a decent chunk of information on bleach and some on DBZ that would’ve made Ywach win more 21:55 He kinda can actually it just takes a lot of time… as currently he’s the new SK, Also wouldn’t miracle or the Xaxis or Visionary counter this? As doesn’t the x axis make you intangible & hado 50 does exactly what hakai does but others weaker than Yawach have negged it?
And if you're giving Resurrection F Golden Frieza a chance at killing Yhwach
Hit is stronger than Resurrection F Golden Frieza
Goku Black fodderizes him, he is stronger, faster, has wayy higher AP than Resurrection F Golden Frieza
TOP Golden Frieza fodderizes him as he is wayy stronger here
Jiren stomps, it's not close
For Zamasu, Imortality means he doesn't age. He got killed by future Trunks. Yuha would kill him as well. Moreover, the DB universe isn't based on actual science, toriyama didn't know the science behind half the things were talking about. He made it up, It's fiction.
As far as power scaling and power scaler in general, its easy to destroy something the ability to create is the true feat.
So universe seven is comprised of multiple infinite sized universes like the realm of the Kai’s hell heaven and the mortal realm goku was gonna destroy all of these in a form that he absorbed into his base then he used ssj and then surpassed ssj with his base so base goku currently is at least mid tear multiversal given the fact that he is 50x stronger than his ssj god in base
2:10 individual universes? Heaven & Earth literally is "sky & ground" in the kanji of the 3 realms not universes unless proven there's 3 heavens in each realm not to mention they got affected by the gravity of the star so no disagree
Since when was universe 7 vs 6 arc before rof!?
How did you guys scale RoF Golden Frieza over Hit and KKx10 Blue Goku? He was slightly stronger than a weaker Blue Goku that didn’t do the 3 years of training in the time chamber with Vegeta?
But I think Yhwach can clear even with him only being scales to low multi, simply due to his massive amount of hax and his immortality. But I think he straight up scales higher than them, Bleach has 5-D to 6-D scaling implications as Yhwach can destroy the space-time of the Dangai which is a 4-D hyperspace at least, and the Garganta and it’s space-time which is infinite compared to the Dangai. And if destroying a 3-D space-time is a 4-D feat, destroying a 4-D space-time (the Dangai) would be a 5-D feat and destroying a 5-D space-time (the Garganta) would be a 6-D feat
I'm sorry, I know you put effort into this video. But man I'd be lying if I said the research, scaling, and narrative logic was well researched. You guys downplayed dragon ball super a lot during the earlier portions of the video, you didn't actually explain how hits time skip gets negated by almighty, the inverse scaling chains were really bad in certain sections, you did not use more wincons with beings like merged zamasu, or goku black, you managed to heavily downplay zamasu saying he cant break through spacetime, you lied about the jail trapping you inside a different dimension. You have yhwach all shrifts even tho hes never on screen even showed to use a single one of them to give him all the hax, you downplayed battle of gods to uni+ for some reason. Its just all over the place.
Wait can't yhwach make infinite clones of himself with the same amount of hax ? And correct if i am wrong hakai doesnt work on immortal right?
He stop at balck if you take the fact that ki sc of bleach both negates hax black also have time ring a perfect conter of yuha future manipulation
10:29 That’s not how the miracle works. It’s based on the characteristics of if Gerard is at a disadvantage & the more unlikely thing happens for Gerard