Idk man, you put Ichigo into a gauntlet like this, you're giving him a LOT of time for Kubo to reveal that he's part-Saiyan on his maternal grandmother's side or smth Very good breakdowns!
@@CertainlyCynical That's why I said extreme low-ball genius, obviously it's an extreme low-ball for a reason. And Goku absorbing God ki into his base doesn't suddenly mean he can bust a macrocosm in base, that simply means he can access God ki in base. Regular Saiyan's like cabba who have 0 God ki with regular ssj2 is stated to be equal to base Vegeta, so their obviously not that strong 24/7. Not like it really matters anyways since Ichigo is already that strong in base anyways so that's pretty much redundant on your part.
@sphera4147 nah not even ssj2, BASE cabba is stated to be equal to base vegeta by Vegeta himself. Seemingly, God ki works like Mystic Gohan so they're not always using it, or else they wouldn't be able to go into regular super saiyan forms and it would be redundant to go into God form.
One thing that verse equalization removes from Ichigo’s power set is his ability to attack the soul directly. Souls in dbz seem to have the same power as the person did while alive, however there aren’t any beings that damage the soul bypassing the body and its defences. Generally I agree with removing this argument unless a verse has some stated weakness to weapons that harm the soul rather than the body, and your scaling while rushed made sense to me.
Remember Goku travelled to Namek in 6 days which it was a quarter of the universe, he was also dodging things while outside of the ship, this could be scaled to millions of times faster than light. And Frieza is wayyy more powerful than that.
@@Mainfarm5 yes really cuz that was still the ship that was moving and not a Goku feat. Lord I agree that our own fan base doesent watch our show and is comprised of 3rd graders.
Damn bro I like that. Reasoning for everything was very sound.had no idea you ichigo could be scaled that high may or may not have subscribed because of this video
Great video, and given your scaling for Ichigo's AP, I agree with where he stops, though one thing you got wrong is the higher end of Senjumaru's feat, which is actually Low Multiversal, Vs Wiki's thread Above Heaven and Below Earth, 0 Alone surpasses 13 goes over this a bit, with another thread coming in the latter half of January going further into it. So, I think he'd go beyond Kid Buu and into Super, and with his multipliers that go off of Senjumaru's feat? Other than losing to Beerus, he'd at best get to Hit or Goku Black after he gets Rose, still fantastic video and happy to see my boy Ichigo getting the respect and proper scaling he deserves.
The hell arc happens after a 10 yeqr time skip and we know that whenever there is a time skip in shounem anime it means the amC has gotten stronger and considering Ichigo learnt bankai which is supposed to take 10 years, in 3 days we camt really tell how much stronger he has gotten in 10 years.
W video. This is done without knowing what Ichigo Bankai does, hopefully Cour 4 will give us the answer. The main characters in Bleach are still relatively young power-wise, given time they will get even stronger, unless Kubo decided otherwise.
Ichigo vs Kid Buu would be a strange fight, but Ichigo loses the stamina battle (Kid Buu = infinite stamina), then he can just absorb Ichigo. Given that Bleach is still ongoing, i suspect he'll be able to compete well into DBS. Though there are some characters that would still be a huge problem (Goku Black, any fusion, Beerus, Hit with time hax, Jiren, Broly, etc).
Ichigo low balled does stop at Kid Buu but normal Ichigo to highball Ichigo definitely gets to Dragonball Super. Once we get confirmation on what his Bankai Truly Is he's only going to get higher
I think scaling the weakest version of the characters that can get pass each arc, then move up the power level as you go on would be more interesting. Since you can make more arguments for both sides on how they can win or lose, rather than one side is just winning through sheer stats difference for most of the arcs. But still cool vid.
People don’t rly see how close some fights are between non DBZ characters and DBZ characters.. It’s like they treat the verse as if it’s the only verse with planetary AP, having to feel a need to make sure DB is #1. I still see people saying Ichigo is just continental 😔
I agree on that but let's be honest that showing is more impacting than telling I can't imagine Ichigo even cutting the world in two even though through statements he is capable of that but never shown capable of it and in dbz they exploded a planet quite early and they have grown magnitude beyond that. So yeah raw strength and showing feat is always easier to understand and believe than statement and hax.
@ Goku has never been shown to blow up planets in the saiyan saga, but you would believe he’s planetary simply from scaling above Vegeta with his Kaioken multipliers.. Though i understand, if people watching at least see a character consistently have planetary-galaxy level feats on screen then they won’t downplay it as much. Like say for instance you put the Power Rangers up against Omni Man (to which the rangers win btw). You won’t ALWAYS see the rangers destroying planets but with enough research and context understanding of how they can u can probably know how they’re capable of this. With power rangers however, they sometimes have a budget to keep here and there so I wouldn’t blame them for not showing as much destructive power.. But they did have their moments, like in the old show, that one dragon zord blew up a planet the rangers were on. Just an example, ik I added a lil much I’m a fanboy of that show
I agree with the other commenter that showing rather than telling can go a long way, especially with more casual fans. We do see guys actually nuking shit on screen in Dragonball. And there is a natural sort of progression, as we go from mountains and islands being destroyed in Dragonball, and the moon with a fully powered attack, to destroying the moon with random ki blasts and planets getting nuked in DBZ to Goku and Beerus nearly destroying the Universe or Broly and Gogeta breaking dimensions in DBS. They don't do it all the time, but it happens occasionally, and it's easy to understand that "guy b nuked a planet with ease, then got beaten by guy a, so guy a can do the same and more". Bleach on the other hand relies a lot more on just telling stuff, as well as interpretations and calculations. I haven't seen the Thousand Blood War anime so far to be fair, so maybe there are more feats on screen in there, but at least in the old anime, it was very hard to get a sense of the actual scaling and progression in the story. Mugetsu Ichigo vs Aizen for example doesn't feel that much bigger or different in scale than Ichigo vs Byakuya, even if it should be in theory. The casual fan isn't gonna care much about statements or do his own calculations, they will go off what they see in the actual show. And in that regard, First Form Frieza casually blowing up a planet with his finger will leave more of an impression than Ichigos Getsuga Tensho slicing a couple of rocks/buildings, even if the later can have Multisolar to Galaxy level AP.
@Hawk-yq4lndragonball scaling actually makes more sense than bleach scaling funny enough. There is far more consistency. Dragonball has power level radar scanners and Goku time and time again has bested all the villains who have shown to casually destroy a planet in every way. I’ve never seen a single character in bleach show even an ounce of planetary level feat. It’s always sketchy statements people running with to be universal. Like who can imagine ichigo destroying a planet with a getsuga tensho? He’s barely even destroyed a mountain with one at full power. You guys need to stop being too wild with bleach powerscaling. There is no consistency or feats to put any of the bleach characters at universal level. The poor statements they have is the equivalent of me saying Vegeta was casually universal level in DBZ because he had a finishing move called BIG BANG attack😑. Those re the kind of statements and dialogue bleach powerscalers run with and highball them.
@@otherguyjo1684 Well we know the soul King transcends everything in the verse which should possibly include timelines as well, although this is simply speculation on my part since soul King has never erased a timeline like Zeno did. But The soul King definitely has way more abilities and a lot of broken hax Zeno doesn't have so it really depends
Soul king maintains balance by manipulating the flow of souls between realms. It has nothing to do with raw power and Ichigo being a candidate to replace him does nothing for him In regards to scaling 😂
@@dizzyb2309 Yes it does have to do with raw power lmao. If it didn't then we wouldn't need a person who transcended everything in order to maintain the realms, and yet we clearly see the realms can't be maintained unless there's a person strong enough to maintain it, why do you think Ichibe put Ichigo through the soul King training to see if he can endure the power of the soul King. You don't know what you're talking about whatsoever
Anyone who wants to say that Dabura's spit is a win con against Ichigo needs to revisit the scene where Aizen no-sells Nigeki Kassatsu by crushing Sui Feng's reiatsu.
I respect the scale but im gonna have to disagree since theres databooks that says that the realms are all infinite in size as well as the dangai being directly stated to be a hyperspace meaning at bare minimum 4D or Universal+, and characters like kenpachi are literally able to damage and have the power to destroy it. And the Garganta itself also being stated to be infinite in size meaning it would be at bare minimum 5D and ichigo would scale to it since he scales to Yhwach who can affect and destroy the entire cosmology. So yeah Ichigo Solos all of DBZ casually and hes definitely Dragon ball supers lvl of power.
hmmm i couuld argue the same for dragon ball z the MORTAL universe has been said to be infinite in size in the afterlife places like heaven which is a giant planet, hell, kaioshin realm, and other places have been said to be as large as the MORTAL universe. furthermore, i'd like to add buuhan was going to scream ALL of that away! if you wanna get into non cannon stuff goku and supreme kais techniques known as instant transmission and KIKI uses a zone known as the "subspace zone" which surpasses the concepts of time and space which metal cooler was easy able to cross into and attack goku in
@@helladsahelladda5798 first off, the living world is only stated to be infinitely expanding, which isn't the same thing as a Universe being directly infinite in size, so it would still have a limit it's just expanding infinitely. Secondly, Buuhan wasn't gonna scream it all away lmao, that's a blatant lie, Buuhan was ONLY gonna scream away the BOUNDARIES between dimensions which would cause a domino effect of those dimensions collapsing into the universe causing the destruction, His scream alone wasn't gonna destroy it all. Thirdly, the subspace zone is never stated to transcend concepts of space and time, another blatant lie, and even if we were to apply this non-canon feat this would only get Goku to infinite to inaccessible speed at best which still isnt faster than top tiers of bleach, that only makes him on par with them. And also even if those realms are infinite in size as I've already stated earlier the entire bleach cosmology at bare minimum is 5D and can scale to 6D so that doesn't really do much
@@sphera4147toxic bleach fan! Finally found one! Anyways , HeIf and afterlife in general is stated to he infinite, which exists in universe 7. Guess that answers your question no. 1. Second , Buuhan against Vegito was going to cream diminsion away but Vegito violated that pink Goo. (Vegito > gogeta) Third.. what is the third question?
@@logandelaharpe6362fuck no,Even Ichigo's massive Wank stops in BoG Super easy, let's see,In universe 7 there is a super space, which in the context of quantum mechanics is High hyperversal,DB follows that, as it is Canonically at least a type 3 multiverse, stated on official sites,The type 3 multiverse also reaches High Hyperversal via Hilbert space,So it is Consistent that Universe 7 is High Hyperversal, either by Super Space or the Type 3 Multiverse,Moving further into Cosmology, universe 7 also contains things like super dimensional structures,That are things beyond dimensionality itself,And considering that we have already established that Universe 7 is at least High hyperversal+ by two different methods,The only thing that super dimensional structures can be is outerversal,And BoG Goku>>Universe 7 and so on, there is a very simple meta of Goku Outerversal . The scale is also consistent with other statements, such as guides that say that Goku vs Beerus' power and fight is super dimensional,Just like the Chouzenchu that says that the power of the Gods of destruction transcends dimensionality itself, etc. At most, midball scale
@@nowaymaboi7686 who do you think he would lose to in super? I feel like it would be similar to Fused Zamasu, like PSK isn’t even affected by the concept of death.
@@dylanfitzpatrick9423 agreed, those and maybe Fused Zamasu were the main ones I could think of. I think he just has to many hax for the rest of the verse
Goku is way above that in terms of base the living world is already an absolute minimum 5d+ as it can contain a hyperspace, the afterlife is explicitly declared as dimensionally superior to the living world (in plural dimensions), so minimum 6d (Infinity 6d since it is of infinite size), the Macrocosm it contains it and makes it look finite, so the Macrocosm is minimum 6d+ to 7d, universe 7>>>>Macrocosm, so universe 7 is minimum 7d+ to 8d Lowball scale Of BoG Goku
I really like that you actually used the Bleach calcs rather than what alot fans do with just saying he's universal. I still must disagree however. True Bankai ichigo should scale to low multiversal through Hell Verse and Guide statements making Hell and the other realms of bleach 5 - 6D. Ichigo's attack potency should place him around U6 saga but can be highballed to Moro ~ Granolah with the recent Hell continuation featuring adult Ichigo.
@@Kami.Asura000 im sorry but 5d bleach and multiversal bleach is a joke no one in this universe has an ap that exceeds the universe lvl even yuchbacha (he can't destroy 3 worlds with his raw power the only thing he can do is destroy the balance of souls which would make the worlds destroy themselves yuchbacha himself says that he can't destroy these worlds and the only thing he can do is destabilize them)
Everything you say is MASSIVELY BELOW BoG the living world is already an absolute minimum 5d+ as it can contain a hyperspace, the afterlife is explicitly declared as dimensionally superior to the living world (in plural dimensions), so minimum 6d (Infinity 6d since it is of infinite size), the Macrocosm it contains it and makes it look finite, so the Macrocosm is minimum 6d+ to 7d, universe 7>>>>Macrocosm, so universe 7 is minimum 7d+ to 8d
@@jayspencer4033 tbh shut up go watch and read bleach learn about the lore then you know Ichigo is 6d Complex multiversal stop underrating bleach yammamoto solos all db characters except Zeno and the angels.
@@dizzyb2309 Go read Bleach no one except Zeno the angels and Beerus can survive the 15mio degrees especially not a human yammamoto bare hands and Hados are enough for roshi. His soul ain’t surviving his spirituell pressure which are so strong that manifests in flames. The soul society is infinite and universe sized. His Bankai could destroy it. Now tell me roshis feats 😂
@@pedrobuange1623 Go read Bleach no one except Zeno the angels and Beerus can survive the 15mio degrees especially not a human yammamoto bare hands and Hados are enough for roshi. His soul ain’t surviving his spirituell pressure which are so strong that manifests in flames. The soul society is infinite and universe sized. His Bankai could destroy it. Now tell me roshis feats 😂
Ichigo scaling was pretty generous, least those feats used ain't the best. The lowballing of Z though got me upset. Can't say fodder captains are MFTL+ and the GINYUS are barely large planet and FTL my guy.
They severely glaze Ichigo and downplay DB characters😂 dude said Vegeta could blow up the planet, but somehow Ichigo would survive that… Ichigo ain’t breathing in space no matter how powerful he is.
Many people often underestimated Bleach because Bleach didn't have "Destruction Capacity" or DC more than country level, they forgot about the "Reiatsu System" which falls into the "Attack Potency" or AP category. Of course, Ichigo CANNOT defeat someone with planetary body size or more in one shot, but Ichigo CAN easily harm them. So, as long the character has durability less than H3A and body size less than planetary, Ichigo still has a chance to win.
So y’all said that Vegeta could destroy the planet but it wouldn’t affect Ichigo somehow??😂 since when can Ichigo breathe in space? The gauntlet stops at Saiyan saga Vegeta if you want to be generous. Then onto Frieza saga… again each and every one of the DB characters at that point can destroy planets easily… Ichigo ain’t breathing in space. I’ll even be generous and allow Ichigo to somehow magically pass everyone up to Frieza, who again can easily destroy the planet, and Ichigo ain’t breathing in space, meanwhile Frieza can survive in space. Anything past that is irrelevant because every single character in DB can just blow up the planet and Ichigo cannot survive in space. As an edit. The problem with all these VS discussions is the fact that there is no concrete way to make the two universes relative to each other. They operate under different rules, so any sort of power scaling is ultimately irrelevant.
@@TheCuboneSwordsman Ichigo is not a spirit, he’s a human😂 he was not born in neither of the spirit realms of Seretei or Hueco Mundo. He might have pieces of souls from those places, but he is still a human.
@eddyram4932 ichigo yes is human but in soul reaper form he's a soul (seeing as humans can't interact with ichigo when he's in soul reaper state) and we've seen ichigo breath in various different environments like soul society and hueco mundo. So the big question is can a soul breath in space
@@ningnings_world I'd argue Ichigo is well above BOG but I can see Ichigo possibly stopping either tournament of power or the Zamasu arc, mainly because Zamasu is practically immortal and the tournament of power having Jiren which could be a big problem for Ichigo depending on how this goes. But it also heavily depends on what Ichigos bankai is capable of which can potentially get him much higher
@@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 Goku didn't beat Beerus in BOG either so that's irrelevant, and Ichigo is 5D/6D he negs all of DBZ and beats a good chunk of super characters as well. Stop the DBZ glaze
@@sphera4147 you sound like a hater If you can use date books official db account said that goku ssjgaod is 7d And can you tell witch character he clears in super? Cus base cabba solo all bleach vers no diff And let's don't use daizanshu cus that will make kid gohan sneeze the vers I like bleach its my second fav but when you try to make your show popular using db it will end like opm fans
@@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 @gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 Ok now you're just making stuff up. NOWHERE is it stated that ssjG is 7D nor is there any feats to back that up. And none of the daizenshuu proves kid Gohan would sneeze the verse, Kid Gohan is legit fodder. You're just a dragon ball fanboy who wants everything in dragon ball, Ichigo alone solos all of Z and solos a lot of super characters, you're just a glazer
yeah I pretty much figured I he stops at buu only way I see him winning that Is a point blank Getsuga Jujisho at full power but unless buu screws around thats gonna be pretty hard good vid though people actualy under estimate how absolutely ichigo actually is and im glad to see someone making a accurate description of his power crazy part is ichigo still has room to grow with him not being at his full potential at the end of tybw
Ichigo loses for one simple reason, he fights outside of his body, while he is outside of his body, he is technically dead. Meaning that he dies as soon as the fight starts /s
The dragon ball lowball is mental why didn't u use actual feats huh what about base namek gokus space ship feat?its calced at trillions of times ftl also the ginyu force being just large planet is a lowball all of em will body king Vegeta who with a wave of his hand nuked 3 planets which is calced at dwarf star lvl dragon ball has actual scalable feats so unlike bleach u dont have to calc stac ichigo gets perception blitz by base namek saga goku
@@yeikelamores6085 I also don't understand something they don't state a clear speed scaling saying mftl+ through the video it seemed to me they were trying to say Ichigo has relatively to Buu saga tiers of speed which is hilarious mftl+ is a hige tier anywhere from 10k to any finite number imaginable also certain hacks like ginyus body swap does work on stronger character that's the whole point of him swapping bodies
@@OvercookedOmlette yep so does bleach no I guess it got no feats but lots of inconsistent statements ie how slower characters are said to be light speed or lightning speed faster Character only 500 times the speed of sound but figure of speech
But apart from what I said before, I really liked your well-made video with good explanations for everyone to understand, but make another video in this style about the king of souls (prime) vs dragon ball super
The best thing is knowing that when the anime ends we will see finally what tru Bankai Ichigo power looks like, cause in the manga we havent seen anything yet
The downplaying is actually crazy. Frieza has statements of being able to destroy the universe. Even base namek spirit bomb Goku was able to destroy the universe. The universes in Dragon Ball are infinite in size and amount. That basically makes 2nd form frieza multiversal. And perfectly cell us easily high multiversal because he heavily outscales anyone from OG dragon Ball to Android saga. I don't see ichigo surviving the namek frieza saga. Frieza outscales the verse.
Amazing video Remember that ichigo is nowhere near his full potential, even for his shinigami and hollow powers He also has yet to use his quincy powerups (vollstanding, sklave rai, shrift) which can be hundreds of times buff in power He also has his bankai ability which seems to be op and has a chance of being a win con So hell arc ichigo will likely solo dbz with ease I hope you do a video on it once bell arc releases But for now ichigo probably loses
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Entire chapter: ### Chapter 159: A Promise in the Valley Finally, they reached their destination: a secluded valley, far from the prying eyes of the world. Akiko gently set Aoi down on the soft grass, the cool breeze ruffling his hair. "Aoi," Akiko began, her voice soft yet resolute. "I will give you a dream-a dream of belonging, of purpose." Aoi listened intently, his eyes fixed on Akiko's face as she spoke. "Like a fish clings to water or a bird to the sky, you, Aoi, are mine," Akiko continued, her words carrying a weight that Aoi couldn't quite comprehend. "Nothing less, and nothing more. And there is no dream sweeter than that." Aoi's brow furrowed in confusion, but he could sense the sincerity in Akiko's words. She was offering him something-something that he couldn't quite grasp, but something that felt important nonetheless. As he gazed up at her, Aoi felt a sense of trust wash over him. Despite the uncertainty of their journey and the mysteries that surrounded Akiko, he knew that he was safe in her care. With a nod, Aoi accepted Akiko's words, allowing himself to be swept up in the dream she offered. In this quiet valley, far from the chaos of the world, he felt a sense of peace settle over him-a peace that he hadn't known in a long time. Together, they stood in the midst of the wilderness, the promise of the future stretching out before them like an uncharted path. And as the sun dipped below the horizon, casting a warm glow over the valley, Aoi closed his eyes, allowing himself to be enveloped by the dream that Akiko had given him.
Ichigo could range from making it to early DBS to clearing DBS depending on how you scale him He’s bare minimum low multi due to scaling to Yhwach who can destroy the 3 realms, Dangai, Garganta etc though with the Dangai being outright called a Hyperspace (at least 4-D), Yhwach being able to destroy it’s space-time would be a 5-D AP feat which scales above DBS. Just like how destroying a 3-D universe’s space time is a 4-D feat And on top of that, that Garganta is infinite in size even compared to the Dangai, and has its own separate space-time, so destroying that is potentially 6-D AP Unless you go with outerversal DB, the 5-D to 6-D Bleach scaling would out do DBS AP and Dura wise As for speed, it’s either DBS blitzes, they’re similar speed or Bleach blitzed with different metas With Bleach’s MFTL+ Meta is ridiculously slower than DBS’s MFTL meta unless there’s a calc for Senjumaru, the Soul King, Ichigo and Yhwach’s reiatsu shaking the 3 realms. But Bleach has some time transcendent speed metas which would blitz DBS unless we take the Jiren statement literally
No Ichigo caps at 6d he is literally complex multiversal. humans 3d shinigamis we don’t See and not interact or feel anything 4d Aizen hogyoku is 5d cause he said he himself is transendent above hollows and shinigamis he must allow them to even feel his reiatsu power. mugetsu Ichigo is 6d Aizen Said he is on a higher dimension then himself so he is low complex Multi at best. Because Yhwach said he got the powers back he defeated Aizen with and he defeated him with the final getsuga tenshou Form which is perfect 6d Not higher Not lower. Not to mention this was Ichigos Shikai form in the fight where Yhwach said that. You can’t Lowball Ichigo to universal when even senjumaru is multiversal each realm is universe within and she shaked all three with a bit of her power this is multiversal a better example you can’t give and now Ichigo is a level beyond that he surpassed the ordinary soul reaper.
@@Kurosaki_Ichigodayo that's not how it works aizen was truly 5d he wouldnt be able to interact with those he deem lower dimensionsal beings u have a Goku pfp I am assuming u know shin from DBZ has a similar statement by piccolo where piccolo says he dimensions is shin 5d it's just a hyperbolic statements bleach Max caps at universal+ even than u can say that's hax not ap or durability lol that's being a generous to bleach ur glorious ko g kenpachi struggles to cut a multi contental meteor nearly died and gremmy can't imagine himself being multi contental
@@sakkoyaba4482 dangai ichigo legit slapped away a black hole and that aint even his strongest form ☠️☠️☠️ He also scales far above characters that easily broke through dimentions. He definitely makes it to ressurection of f arc.
He low complex multi but we are still getting new feats from the anime cool video plus he held the entire gargantua which has infinite realms that transcends the other plus the gargantua that is 5D 6D but still good video
Yet Cell who’s stronger than him caps at multi solar at best lol, also SSJG Goku and Beerus clashing have the same power as 2nd form freezer you say? Yeah no that statement is an exaggeration
@@74ss43 bleach fanboys are very desperate for their favorite character to win. even first form frieza in the namek saga is overkill to all bleach characters. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Frieza only had the energy issue in Golden, BUT i'll give you that he WOULD run out if he put on his Big boy 100% in namek Saga, but thats the same thing as for any human, you CAN lift your own body weight or a bit more, but exerting that much effort does take the wind out of you, he's just flexing his muscles basically, and that gets tiring, but the 4th for is still his base.
When Piccolo turned the moon into dust with his two fingers, Piccolo's power Level was below 700 🤞 When Master Roshi destroyed the Moon, Master Roshi's power level was only 136 - 3-4 planets could be destroyed just by waving King Vegeta's hand and the size of those planets was thousands of times bigger than Earth - Power Lev 18000 🤣🤣 ( Top Anime Base Goku - 100 Trillion 👹 )
Why you low ball dbz bro did you take in concentration og dbz They many light speed feats like king piccolo light speed attacks that state to be light this would people even the saiyan at mftl+ speed and them king kai can track a space ship moving 1 trillion times the speed of light and you didn't use the king vegeta destroy 3 larger planet making vegeta saiyan saga large start level and 1st form frieza when destroy planet vegeta had stars making it solar system level and 2nd form frieza stat to shake the unverse up making final form frieza universal+
@@ANIMECONTENT-rg5fe i want to stay respectful as possible and i dont mean to cause any problems, it just doesnt make sense that people use valid scales to get bleach characters to high universal, complex multiversal, all that just for people to ignore it
@@ANIMECONTENT-rg5fe if you mid balled dragon ball and high balled bleach then hos ichigo COULD maybe get to ssjb and with a slight bit of glaze ultra instinct
Vegeta regular season 1 Saiyan stands on the door of his space pod with Nappa above the planet in its outer atmosphere, points two fingers and destroys the entire world in seconds.
No way people still think Soul society and hueco mendo is a universe. Ichigo is multi-planetary, he never will be universal and same applies to Yhwach. I don’t know where this wank is coming from, the moment you ask a bleach fan to show feats they insult you and stay silent from there and on. Even assuming Ichigo is universal, Goku who is multiversal still bodies him.
Ichigo definitely gets to DBS but Goku himself still can't beat Beerus so Idk why people are trying to act like Ichigo can't somehow capture Beerus's attention (like Goku did) and give a good enough fight to not be killed.
Tbh yall highballing Ichigo so fucking high ngl. King Vegeta>Bleach verse just accept it and stop creating useless hope for bleach fans. Ssj Goku is overkill, bro can easily erase the whole planet only by 1 kamekameha.
It's clear you have no clue what you're talking about you just really like dragonball😭. It's not by force to try and scale cause you're making random empty statements without any clue if they're true or not. Spoiler alert, they're all false, Ichigo is Complex Multiversal scaling him above dbz and every character you've named in your comment. Personally I think he's stopping at early dbs due to 5D scaling but I've seen others scale him a lot higher, I can't confirm or deny those claims till I do more research though, something you've done none of. It's ok to like dbz more than bleach but don't be saying nonsense like this bro ichigo one shots king vegeta and ssj goku in base😭
@@terakoinfinity9523 real all these people do is say "nuh uh dragon ball characters blow up galaxys", Yes and bleach characters are trying NOT to do that, other than ywach.
Dbz fans when the enemy doesn’t actively try blowing everything up and has a clear control of their powers so it doesn’t happen(they’re apparently fodder)
Interesting video, but there is one thing do not agree with. You said you don't believe Yamamoto to be universal in power but there is evidence that supports him being so. You see in chapter 510 and episode 7 of TYBW season 1 Yhwach stated that Yamamoto's bankai was so powerful that he was the only one among the Quincys strong enough to control it, this is important since Yhwach was strong enough to face off against Ichibei who is stronger than the other four members of squad zero with one of them display universal levels of power. Thus this makes Yamamoto universal in power as well.
@@jorgezurita6580 Soul Society is more than just a planet, from what we've seen in the series Soul Society is a universe that is parallel to the "World of the Living". usando el traductor de google para traducirlo en español Soul Society es más que un simple planeta, por lo que hemos visto en la serie Soul Society es un universo paralelo al "Mundo de los Vivos".
He probably will go around find a villain who will tell him he is Saiyan then he is probably going to unlock ssj 1 because everyone in the Dragon Ball world just do it as a joke nowadays
17:42 I just want to correct this by saying... "we've seen ichigo deal with Yhwach?", ichigo didn't deal with Yhwach because he was that much stronger he had alot of help alongside the still silver, without it ... He wouldn't be winning that TYBW match up
Massive Cell downplay. Good video but the down play of cell is criminal since I would assume Super Perfect Cell is lowballed Galaxy level and Highballed at Universal since the fight between Cell and Gohan brought the attention of Babbidi.
I'd like to apologise for the previous comment,you cooked with the ichigo scaling😭🙏 6:56 I'm just wondering, how TF will Ginyu swap bodies with ichigo???... Ichigo doesn't even have a body💀
If Ichigo went into the Super dlc i think he would clear atleast other universes like 6 and the others who were pretty much fodders at the ToP, but yeah main villains like Zamasu, Golden Frieza, Jiren and all that i don't think he would get the win :/, W video 👍
Of course, when you give the highest interpretations to a character against the lowest interpretations to another character, Most likely the character you gave the highest interpretations to will win. Regarding Dragon Ball, Demon Piccolo mentioned that his power is infinite. That means if we want to go to the highest interpretations, then Demon Piccolo's level is High Uni. This applies to all characters above him, starting with Raditz, who is also High Uni. Of course, this is the highest possible interpretation for these characters, meaning you cannot argue that Ichigo is stronger than the characters in Dragon Ball before the Cell arc because he is High Uni. On the contrary, if we rely on the highest interpretations, then Ichigo will lose because the difference between Frieza, for example, and Demon Piccolo is 500,000 times stronger. That means Frieza is 500,000 times above High Uni, and this is of course higher than anything you can give Ichigo. If we go based on reasonable interpretations and ignore all the statements about how the worlds are infinite in Dragon Ball (almost all The worlds in Dragon Ball have a statement indicating that they are infinite) so we will find that Ichigo would be lucky if he could reach Frieza As Frieza is stronger and faster by more than 20 times than Goku when he first arrived on Namek Before Goku reached Planet Namek, Goku was able to avoid a meteor while on his ship Which means Goku's speed is close to the speed of the ship Goku's ship covered almost a quarter of the diameter of the universe in 6 days, which is equivalent to trillions of times faster than light As for strength, in the anime, Goku collected energy from all the planets, stars and living beings in the universe in the Spirit Bomb that he used against Frieza And Frieza survived it while using 50% of his strength, which makes Frieza 100% his level is twice Baseline Uni If we are generous with Ichigo, we can say that it is several times Baseline Uni, and this is the highest thing that Ichigo can reasonably reach The difference is not really big in terms of strength, but the difference in speed is huge to the point that That Ichigo can't touch Frieza While Frieza masters the Destructo Disc technique If you don't know the Destructo Disc technique is one of the most broken techniques in Dragon Ball where Krillin who is considered nothing was able to cut Frieza's tail in his second form We even saw Goku in his base form using the Destructo Disc and thanks to this technique he was able to cut Buutenks in half which is stronger than Goku SSJ3 This means that this technique can cut a person 400 times stronger than you (the multiplier factor of SSJ3) If Frieza doesn't use his speed with the Destructo Disc then no matter how generous we are with Ichigo he has no chance at all with Frieza But if we decide to be very conservative and give the characters the lowest possible interpretations then in this case Ichigo can't even defeat Vegeta in his first appearance Where Vegeta in his first appearance destroyed the planet Bucky Blast with one of his fingers and this is above anything I've seen in Bleach if we are conservative with Bleach + A simple note It was never mentioned in the work that Saiyans cannot breathe in space, but it was mentioned that Saiyans cannot survive in the vacuum of space Meaning the cause of death is unknown after they go out into space based on the available statements and the reason is not the inability to breathe But you should know that these are only statements And these statements contradict things that were shown in the work Where Goku was shown in the manga flying in the vacuum of Trunks' world after Zeno erased it, we even saw Goku speak And we saw Kid Goku in the anime and manga rise with a Power pole to the moon and return In addition to the scene of King Vegeta destroying 3 planets, after destroying them, he was definitely in the vacuum of space and survived in it And it is known that Feat > the statement Means Saiyans can survive in space So correct your information
"Frieza could react and dodge some of ichigos attacks" 9:33 "Ichigo has to fight someone just as strong and just as fast as him" 17:05. So Frieza can react and dodge some of Ichigos attacks but Kid Buu is also just as fast as Ichigo meaning Frieza is relative speed wise to Kid Buu? nah bro this scaling is wack. "Ichigo should be able to resist transmutation because Buu has only ever done that to fodder" 17:53 Is Vegito considered fodder now?
Tbh, if we consider bleachverse to be high uni or low multi, you can get ichigo far higher. Remember nobody except ichigo could stop butterfly aizen, including the d0. And aizen had multiple transcendance, higher plan and straight up one higher dimensionnal statement, and considering he's also transcendant compared to d0, that makes a consistant scale for 5d butterfly/monster aizen. Ichigo is stated to have the same transcendance over aizen with dangai and above, that would make ichigo a straigjt up 6d low complex multiversal threat. That's consistent with lower characters' scale and dangai scaling That, and in worst case mugetsu acts as existence erasure If you actually scale ichigo
He didn’t really scale good in the cell saga but I believe he’d lose to cell because of the zenkai boosts and all the training that’s happened during there
this scale kinda went to nothing once u improperly scales freiza who destroyed planet vegeta in his first form that had two suns orbiting it so first form freiza is above the feat u gave android 18 &19
You forgotten the most AP character in Dragon Ball '' Farmer with the Shotgun'', one of his Omnipotent bullits can one shot any one but Radditz killed him with 1 finger LOL.
i like it except i would bumb ichigo scaling up so the mid tier is uni and high is multi which is still very good place for ichigo to be as it is still in line with the narrative of bleach and all the dimensions with their being countless valley of screams and each one is infinite
Ichigo finna fuck around and find out he half saiyan
with orange hair nah
@@alejandroangel59081. His Mugetsu form has black hair.
2. Trunks and Future Trunks exist.
@@nameless_moon he does not look like a saiyan and trunks neither
Trunks is a son of vegeta and BULMA @@nameless_moon
And bulma's hair is blue and a human @@nameless_moon
Idk man, you put Ichigo into a gauntlet like this, you're giving him a LOT of time for Kubo to reveal that he's part-Saiyan on his maternal grandmother's side or smth
Very good breakdowns!
Damn right😂😂
prob some freezer race dna too
Probably has hidden God ki too
W Kubo
prob got imperfect ultra instinct too
Imagine if cell got ichigos dna
что
Everybody would be screwed
Imagine if Ichigo had his DNA instead.
@@mikedanielespeja6128 he probably does 😭
@@mikedanielespeja6128what kinda freaky-ness would’ve had to have happened for that to be possible 💀
those villains are overkill he would struggle against raditz
My glorious king.Ichigo was so close. To the end of the garment. W video.
@@LewisRichards-hn7vb nah he lose to friza
@@MATI640 lol ichigo speedblitz and one shot
@@The_BlackGoose how tf speed blitz goku travelled 1/16th of the hell which is decillions of light years before namek
@@discerningcucumber7559 ichigo in the movies shot a beam across hell
@@MATI640 🤡
You said buu only uses that candy beam on fodder but he turned vegito into candy
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Let's not forget that vegito in candy form beat Buu's ass
@@baron6148ichigo wouldn’t be able to do the same v
The anime is still going so we may get new feats for our boy
Nah we already have enough feats for Ichigo it's just downplayers who don't want to accept Ichigo is low multiversal at an extreme lowball
@@sphera4147multi lowball 5D midball , 7D 8D or even outerversal highball
@@sphera4147 goku in base is low multiversal womp womp
@@CertainlyCynical That's why I said extreme low-ball genius, obviously it's an extreme low-ball for a reason.
And Goku absorbing God ki into his base doesn't suddenly mean he can bust a macrocosm in base, that simply means he can access God ki in base. Regular Saiyan's like cabba who have 0 God ki with regular ssj2 is stated to be equal to base Vegeta, so their obviously not that strong 24/7. Not like it really matters anyways since Ichigo is already that strong in base anyways so that's pretty much redundant on your part.
@sphera4147 nah not even ssj2, BASE cabba is stated to be equal to base vegeta by Vegeta himself.
Seemingly, God ki works like Mystic Gohan so they're not always using it, or else they wouldn't be able to go into regular super saiyan forms and it would be redundant to go into God form.
One thing that verse equalization removes from Ichigo’s power set is his ability to attack the soul directly. Souls in dbz seem to have the same power as the person did while alive, however there aren’t any beings that damage the soul bypassing the body and its defences. Generally I agree with removing this argument unless a verse has some stated weakness to weapons that harm the soul rather than the body, and your scaling while rushed made sense to me.
It doesn’t matter if he could attack their souls. He’s too weak for it to matter.
@@dizzyb2309😐
Remember Goku travelled to Namek in 6 days which it was a quarter of the universe, he was also dodging things while outside of the ship, this could be scaled to millions of times faster than light. And Frieza is wayyy more powerful than that.
No. Cause Remeber that was not his strength, that was the speed of the ship. Actually I’m not even gonna dumb down for you, WHAT IS THIS FEAT💀💀
@Dahomies-oj4jm
Goku used his kamehameha to divert the spaceship which would lead to trillions of times faster than light
@@Mainfarm5 where does it say it was trillions of times faster then light. Cuz if so that would have been faster then 6 days
@Dahomies-oj4jm not really. Because you need to be trillion of times faster than light to reach namek in 6 days.
@@Mainfarm5 yes really cuz that was still the ship that was moving and not a Goku feat. Lord I agree that our own fan base doesent watch our show and is comprised of 3rd graders.
Damn bro I like that.
Reasoning for everything was very sound.had no idea you ichigo could be scaled that high may or may not have subscribed because of this video
I love how your voice starts on the lower end and gradually becomes more high pitch the more you talk/get excited about the subject lmao
Great video, and given your scaling for Ichigo's AP, I agree with where he stops, though one thing you got wrong is the higher end of Senjumaru's feat, which is actually Low Multiversal, Vs Wiki's thread Above Heaven and Below Earth, 0 Alone surpasses 13 goes over this a bit, with another thread coming in the latter half of January going further into it. So, I think he'd go beyond Kid Buu and into Super, and with his multipliers that go off of Senjumaru's feat? Other than losing to Beerus, he'd at best get to Hit or Goku Black after he gets Rose, still fantastic video and happy to see my boy Ichigo getting the respect and proper scaling he deserves.
"So your wife has ever been kidnapped? Mine has" - ichigo
"Well , guess Chi-Chi did got taken by someone." - goku
0:09 caramel and shake being the example of ichigo being underrated is perfect
The hell arc happens after a 10 yeqr time skip and we know that whenever there is a time skip in shounem anime it means the amC has gotten stronger and considering Ichigo learnt bankai which is supposed to take 10 years, in 3 days we camt really tell how much stronger he has gotten in 10 years.
A lowball of ichigo's hell arc multiplier is 100000
He's far far above eos tybw ichigo and probably has low multiversal ap
W video.
This is done without knowing what Ichigo Bankai does, hopefully Cour 4 will give us the answer. The main characters in Bleach are still relatively young power-wise, given time they will get even stronger, unless Kubo decided otherwise.
Ichigo vs Kid Buu would be a strange fight, but Ichigo loses the stamina battle (Kid Buu = infinite stamina), then he can just absorb Ichigo.
Given that Bleach is still ongoing, i suspect he'll be able to compete well into DBS. Though there are some characters that would still be a huge problem (Goku Black, any fusion, Beerus, Hit with time hax, Jiren, Broly, etc).
Ichigo low balled does stop at Kid Buu but normal Ichigo to highball Ichigo definitely gets to Dragonball Super. Once we get confirmation on what his Bankai Truly Is he's only going to get higher
@@kaimobley5324 except that if used daizanshu for dbz comp ichigo will stop in frieza
Yup@@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768
I think scaling the weakest version of the characters that can get pass each arc, then move up the power level as you go on would be more interesting. Since you can make more arguments for both sides on how they can win or lose, rather than one side is just winning through sheer stats difference for most of the arcs. But still cool vid.
People don’t rly see how close some fights are between non DBZ characters and DBZ characters..
It’s like they treat the verse as if it’s the only verse with planetary AP, having to feel a need to make sure DB is #1.
I still see people saying Ichigo is just continental 😔
I agree on that but let's be honest that showing is more impacting than telling I can't imagine Ichigo even cutting the world in two even though through statements he is capable of that but never shown capable of it and in dbz they exploded a planet quite early and they have grown magnitude beyond that. So yeah raw strength and showing feat is always easier to understand and believe than statement and hax.
@ Goku has never been shown to blow up planets in the saiyan saga, but you would believe he’s planetary simply from scaling above Vegeta with his Kaioken multipliers..
Though i understand, if people watching at least see a character consistently have planetary-galaxy level feats on screen then they won’t downplay it as much.
Like say for instance you put the Power Rangers up against Omni Man (to which the rangers win btw).
You won’t ALWAYS see the rangers destroying planets but with enough research and context understanding of how they can u can probably know how they’re capable of this.
With power rangers however, they sometimes have a budget to keep here and there so I wouldn’t blame them for not showing as much destructive power..
But they did have their moments, like in the old show, that one dragon zord blew up a planet the rangers were on.
Just an example, ik I added a lil much I’m a fanboy of that show
I agree with the other commenter that showing rather than telling can go a long way, especially with more casual fans.
We do see guys actually nuking shit on screen in Dragonball. And there is a natural sort of progression, as we go from mountains and islands being destroyed in Dragonball, and the moon with a fully powered attack, to destroying the moon with random ki blasts and planets getting nuked in DBZ to Goku and Beerus nearly destroying the Universe or Broly and Gogeta breaking dimensions in DBS. They don't do it all the time, but it happens occasionally, and it's easy to understand that "guy b nuked a planet with ease, then got beaten by guy a, so guy a can do the same and more".
Bleach on the other hand relies a lot more on just telling stuff, as well as interpretations and calculations. I haven't seen the Thousand Blood War anime so far to be fair, so maybe there are more feats on screen in there, but at least in the old anime, it was very hard to get a sense of the actual scaling and progression in the story. Mugetsu Ichigo vs Aizen for example doesn't feel that much bigger or different in scale than Ichigo vs Byakuya, even if it should be in theory.
The casual fan isn't gonna care much about statements or do his own calculations, they will go off what they see in the actual show. And in that regard, First Form Frieza casually blowing up a planet with his finger will leave more of an impression than Ichigos Getsuga Tensho slicing a couple of rocks/buildings, even if the later can have Multisolar to Galaxy level AP.
Ichigo does not have planetary AP nor does anyone in bleach. Nobody! And I mean nobody in bleach has ever shown planetary AP.
@Hawk-yq4lndragonball scaling actually makes more sense than bleach scaling funny enough. There is far more consistency. Dragonball has power level radar scanners and Goku time and time again has bested all the villains who have shown to casually destroy a planet in every way. I’ve never seen a single character in bleach show even an ounce of planetary level feat. It’s always sketchy statements people running with to be universal. Like who can imagine ichigo destroying a planet with a getsuga tensho? He’s barely even destroyed a mountain with one at full power. You guys need to stop being too wild with bleach powerscaling. There is no consistency or feats to put any of the bleach characters at universal level. The poor statements they have is the equivalent of me saying Vegeta was casually universal level in DBZ because he had a finishing move called BIG BANG attack😑. Those re the kind of statements and dialogue bleach powerscalers run with and highball them.
bro the glazing is wild
Isn’t the dragon ball solar system universal level, because the data books of the three realms say so?
Let’s keep in mind that Ichigo is literally the back up battery for God In his verse. He could replace god and keep reality from falling apart.
Do we know the full extent of the Soul King's abilities? And how would they stack against Zeno?
@@otherguyjo1684 Well we know the soul King transcends everything in the verse which should possibly include timelines as well, although this is simply speculation on my part since soul King has never erased a timeline like Zeno did. But The soul King definitely has way more abilities and a lot of broken hax Zeno doesn't have so it really depends
Soul king maintains balance by manipulating the flow of souls between realms. It has nothing to do with raw power and Ichigo being a candidate to replace him does nothing for him In regards to scaling 😂
@@dizzyb2309 Yes it does have to do with raw power lmao. If it didn't then we wouldn't need a person who transcended everything in order to maintain the realms, and yet we clearly see the realms can't be maintained unless there's a person strong enough to maintain it, why do you think Ichibe put Ichigo through the soul King training to see if he can endure the power of the soul King.
You don't know what you're talking about whatsoever
@@dizzyb2309all the major haxes come from reio & reio’s eyes are comparable if not above the almighty & comes directly from him
Anyone who wants to say that Dabura's spit is a win con against Ichigo needs to revisit the scene where Aizen no-sells Nigeki Kassatsu by crushing Sui Feng's reiatsu.
I respect the scale but im gonna have to disagree since theres databooks that says that the realms are all infinite in size as well as the dangai being directly stated to be a hyperspace meaning at bare minimum 4D or Universal+, and characters like kenpachi are literally able to damage and have the power to destroy it. And the Garganta itself also being stated to be infinite in size meaning it would be at bare minimum 5D and ichigo would scale to it since he scales to Yhwach who can affect and destroy the entire cosmology. So yeah Ichigo Solos all of DBZ casually and hes definitely Dragon ball supers lvl of power.
hmmm
i couuld argue the same for dragon ball z
the MORTAL universe has been said to be infinite in size
in the afterlife places like heaven which is a giant planet, hell, kaioshin realm, and other places have been said to be as large as the MORTAL universe.
furthermore, i'd like to add buuhan was going to scream ALL of that away! if you wanna get into non cannon stuff goku and supreme kais techniques known as instant transmission and KIKI uses a zone known as the "subspace zone" which surpasses the concepts of time and space which metal cooler was easy able to cross into and attack goku in
@@helladsahelladda5798 first off, the living world is only stated to be infinitely expanding, which isn't the same thing as a Universe being directly infinite in size, so it would still have a limit it's just expanding infinitely.
Secondly, Buuhan wasn't gonna scream it all away lmao, that's a blatant lie, Buuhan was ONLY gonna scream away the BOUNDARIES between dimensions which would cause a domino effect of those dimensions collapsing into the universe causing the destruction, His scream alone wasn't gonna destroy it all.
Thirdly, the subspace zone is never stated to transcend concepts of space and time, another blatant lie, and even if we were to apply this non-canon feat this would only get Goku to infinite to inaccessible speed at best which still isnt faster than top tiers of bleach, that only makes him on par with them.
And also even if those realms are infinite in size as I've already stated earlier the entire bleach cosmology at bare minimum is 5D and can scale to 6D so that doesn't really do much
@@sphera4147 When I'm in a lying competition and my opponent is a bleach glazer.
@@sphera4147toxic bleach fan! Finally found one! Anyways , HeIf and afterlife in general is stated to he infinite, which exists in universe 7. Guess that answers your question no. 1.
Second , Buuhan against Vegito was going to cream diminsion away but Vegito violated that pink Goo. (Vegito > gogeta)
Third.. what is the third question?
@@sphera4147 next time catxh up on dragon ball before coming here
Dragonball characters blow up planets….
Bleach Characters shake 3 universes just by raising their power...
@@RayGemSanuniverse wtf are you talking about😭
@@faze_alcapone753diaz4 What am I talking about? Passing on information... doing the work of thinking for those who can't.
lowball Ichigo stops at Cell, big highball Ichigo makes it to beginning of dbs
Lowball makes it to early super
High ball clears
@@logandelaharpe6362wrong
@@arlink27right
@@logandelaharpe6362fuck no,Even Ichigo's massive Wank stops in BoG
Super easy, let's see,In universe 7 there is a super space, which in the context of quantum mechanics is High hyperversal,DB follows that, as it is Canonically at least a type 3 multiverse, stated on official sites,The type 3 multiverse also reaches High Hyperversal via Hilbert space,So it is Consistent that Universe 7 is High Hyperversal, either by Super Space or the Type 3 Multiverse,Moving further into Cosmology, universe 7 also contains things like super dimensional structures,That are things beyond dimensionality itself,And considering that we have already established that Universe 7 is at least High hyperversal+ by two different methods,The only thing that super dimensional structures can be is outerversal,And BoG Goku>>Universe 7 and so on, there is a very simple meta of Goku Outerversal .
The scale is also consistent with other statements, such as guides that say that Goku vs Beerus' power and fight is super dimensional,Just like the Chouzenchu that says that the power of the Gods of destruction transcends dimensionality itself, etc.
At most, midball scale
@@logandelaharpe6362Clears DBS? That's pure fanboyism. Ichigo gets murdered by anyone beyond Goku Black.
I did enjoy the video 😊
dragon balls universe is infinite in size how can you say that it is unknown when it has been mentioned multiple times
Great video, I could see Ichigo stopping at Buu. I think he gets to atleast BOG but I wonder if you could do the prime Soul King next.
prim soul king celars dbz lol(only dbz and some of super)
@@nowaymaboi7686 who do you think he would lose to in super? I feel like it would be similar to Fused Zamasu, like PSK isn’t even affected by the concept of death.
@@FlavoredFrenchToastZeno and the grand priest (maybe)
@@dylanfitzpatrick9423 agreed, those and maybe Fused Zamasu were the main ones I could think of. I think he just has to many hax for the rest of the verse
Honestly, it stops at Garlic Jr in the anime
Goku is Multiversal in base form and 5D(full power) in high ball.
meanwhile ichigo is Multi galaxies ( scales above gremmy) and 5D to 6D high ball
Being higher dimensional doesn't necessarily mean you are stronger ,if that was the case then Garlic Jr would solo all of dbz which isn't true
@@gogeta-san4713 Garlic Jr is not ! he can only summon the death zone.
@@The_BlackGoose Which is a 4D Hyperspace
@@gogeta-san4713 No it just means that Goku scales to the Deadzone
Goku is way above that in terms of base
the living world is already an absolute minimum 5d+ as it can contain a hyperspace, the afterlife is explicitly declared as dimensionally superior to the living world (in plural dimensions), so minimum 6d (Infinity 6d since it is of infinite size), the Macrocosm it contains it and makes it look finite, so the Macrocosm is minimum 6d+ to 7d, universe 7>>>>Macrocosm, so universe 7 is minimum 7d+ to 8d
Lowball scale Of BoG Goku
I really like that you actually used the Bleach calcs rather than what alot fans do with just saying he's universal.
I still must disagree however. True Bankai ichigo should scale to low multiversal through Hell Verse and Guide statements making Hell and the other realms of bleach 5 - 6D. Ichigo's attack potency should place him around U6 saga but can be highballed to Moro ~ Granolah with the recent Hell continuation featuring adult Ichigo.
@@Kami.Asura000 im sorry but 5d bleach and multiversal bleach is a joke no one in this universe has an ap that exceeds the universe lvl even yuchbacha (he can't destroy 3 worlds with his raw power the only thing he can do is destroy the balance of souls which would make the worlds destroy themselves yuchbacha himself says that he can't destroy these worlds and the only thing he can do is destabilize them)
@@MATI640 That was never said bro what are u talking about, ywach had the power to destroy the garganta, an infinte realm, ur tweaking.
@@MATI640there’s a difference between destroying planets and whole realms
Everything you say is MASSIVELY BELOW BoG
the living world is already an absolute minimum 5d+ as it can contain a hyperspace, the afterlife is explicitly declared as dimensionally superior to the living world (in plural dimensions), so minimum 6d (Infinity 6d since it is of infinite size), the Macrocosm it contains it and makes it look finite, so the Macrocosm is minimum 6d+ to 7d, universe 7>>>>Macrocosm, so universe 7 is minimum 7d+ to 8d
@@MATI640 already debunked you in another comments section
Glazing ichigo for 19 mins straight 😂
@@jayspencer4033 tbh shut up go watch and read bleach learn about the lore then you know Ichigo is 6d Complex multiversal stop underrating bleach yammamoto solos all db characters except Zeno and the angels.
Big cap@@Kurosaki_Ichigodayo
@@Kurosaki_IchigodayoYamamoto is a fodder who doesn’t even compare to Roshi in terms of feats
@@dizzyb2309 Go read Bleach no one except Zeno the angels and Beerus can survive the 15mio degrees especially not a human yammamoto bare hands and Hados are enough for roshi. His soul ain’t surviving his spirituell pressure which are so strong that manifests in flames.
The soul society is infinite and universe sized.
His Bankai could destroy it.
Now tell me roshis feats 😂
@@pedrobuange1623 Go read Bleach no one except Zeno the angels and Beerus can survive the 15mio degrees especially not a human yammamoto bare hands and Hados are enough for roshi. His soul ain’t surviving his spirituell pressure which are so strong that manifests in flames.
The soul society is infinite and universe sized.
His Bankai could destroy it.
Now tell me roshis feats 😂
Ichigo scaling was pretty generous, least those feats used ain't the best. The lowballing of Z though got me upset. Can't say fodder captains are MFTL+ and the GINYUS are barely large planet and FTL my guy.
They severely glaze Ichigo and downplay DB characters😂 dude said Vegeta could blow up the planet, but somehow Ichigo would survive that… Ichigo ain’t breathing in space no matter how powerful he is.
@@eddyram4932 fr
Yeah
Well he must do it besides... ichigo wont past of raditz😂😂
@@eddyram4932yeah neither is vegeta lil bro. He literally said it himself 😊
@@pedrobuange1623alright bro YOU'RE glazing now💀
The Ichigo agenda is something I can really get behind.
7:47 actually Aizen destroys the cleaner who governs time itself so he could bypass it
Many people often underestimated Bleach because Bleach didn't have "Destruction Capacity" or DC more than country level, they forgot about the "Reiatsu System" which falls into the "Attack Potency" or AP category.
Of course, Ichigo CANNOT defeat someone with planetary body size or more in one shot, but Ichigo CAN easily harm them.
So, as long the character has durability less than H3A and body size less than planetary, Ichigo still has a chance to win.
So y’all said that Vegeta could destroy the planet but it wouldn’t affect Ichigo somehow??😂 since when can Ichigo breathe in space? The gauntlet stops at Saiyan saga Vegeta if you want to be generous. Then onto Frieza saga… again each and every one of the DB characters at that point can destroy planets easily… Ichigo ain’t breathing in space. I’ll even be generous and allow Ichigo to somehow magically pass everyone up to Frieza, who again can easily destroy the planet, and Ichigo ain’t breathing in space, meanwhile Frieza can survive in space. Anything past that is irrelevant because every single character in DB can just blow up the planet and Ichigo cannot survive in space.
As an edit. The problem with all these VS discussions is the fact that there is no concrete way to make the two universes relative to each other. They operate under different rules, so any sort of power scaling is ultimately irrelevant.
Well ichigos a spirit…so why would he need to breathe oxygen?
@@TheCuboneSwordsman Ichigo is not a spirit, he’s a human😂 he was not born in neither of the spirit realms of Seretei or Hueco Mundo. He might have pieces of souls from those places, but he is still a human.
@eddyram4932 ichigo yes is human but in soul reaper form he's a soul (seeing as humans can't interact with ichigo when he's in soul reaper state) and we've seen ichigo breath in various different environments like soul society and hueco mundo. So the big question is can a soul breath in space
@@SoulEmperor3813 not until they show it in Bleach, and I doubt they ever will🤷♂️
Great video
Imo Ichigo clears til battle of gods and beyond that, dbs's powercreep is too much but dbz is manageable
@@ningnings_world I'd argue Ichigo is well above BOG but I can see Ichigo possibly stopping either tournament of power or the Zamasu arc, mainly because Zamasu is practically immortal and the tournament of power having Jiren which could be a big problem for Ichigo depending on how this goes. But it also heavily depends on what Ichigos bankai is capable of which can potentially get him much higher
@@sphera4147 ichigo aren't beating berruse in bog and can't even give a good fight he is a fodder since cell saga
@@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 Goku didn't beat Beerus in BOG either so that's irrelevant, and Ichigo is 5D/6D he negs all of DBZ and beats a good chunk of super characters as well.
Stop the DBZ glaze
@@sphera4147 you sound like a hater
If you can use date books official db account said that goku ssjgaod is 7d
And can you tell witch character he clears in super? Cus base cabba solo all bleach vers no diff
And let's don't use daizanshu cus that will make kid gohan sneeze the vers I like bleach its my second fav but when you try to make your show popular using db it will end like opm fans
@@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 @gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 Ok now you're just making stuff up. NOWHERE is it stated that ssjG is 7D nor is there any feats to back that up. And none of the daizenshuu proves kid Gohan would sneeze the verse, Kid Gohan is legit fodder.
You're just a dragon ball fanboy who wants everything in dragon ball, Ichigo alone solos all of Z and solos a lot of super characters, you're just a glazer
W video, I also agree that Ichigo stops at buu, but def beats anybody else in Z
Nah
@@yeikelamores6085 fanboy
@@sphera4147 meat rider
Yep
Interesting video
yeah I pretty much figured I he stops at buu only way I see him winning that Is a point blank Getsuga Jujisho at full power but unless buu screws around thats gonna be pretty hard good vid though people actualy under estimate how absolutely ichigo actually is and im glad to see someone making a accurate description of his power crazy part is ichigo still has room to grow with him not being at his full potential at the end of tybw
0:12 strongest in anime? Where anti spiral at? Where Simon
Zeno wiped em🤧
Anti spiral is very debatable
@@Ultradude1 who’s stronger?
@@nobodyhimself1643 various charters from the fate series kumagawa and sailor moon
Debatable@@Ultradude1
Great video 😊
When u tlk about characters like frieza u gotta separate z from super because super frieza is easily multi universal while Z is solar system
Good analysis 🎉 ❤
Ichigo loses for one simple reason, he fights outside of his body, while he is outside of his body, he is technically dead. Meaning that he dies as soon as the fight starts /s
The dragon ball lowball is mental why didn't u use actual feats huh what about base namek gokus space ship feat?its calced at trillions of times ftl also the ginyu force being just large planet is a lowball all of em will body king Vegeta who with a wave of his hand nuked 3 planets which is calced at dwarf star lvl dragon ball has actual scalable feats so unlike bleach u dont have to calc stac ichigo gets perception blitz by base namek saga goku
Exactly, the massive lowball is true
@@yeikelamores6085 I also don't understand something they don't state a clear speed scaling saying mftl+ through the video it seemed to me they were trying to say Ichigo has relatively to Buu saga tiers of speed which is hilarious mftl+ is a hige tier anywhere from 10k to any finite number imaginable also certain hacks like ginyus body swap does work on stronger character that's the whole point of him swapping bodies
Corret
@@dantesinferno5420Dbz has a lot of inconsistent speed feats
If you go by the best you can even get goku to immeasurable
But that's just not true
@@OvercookedOmlette yep so does bleach no I guess it got no feats but lots of inconsistent statements ie how slower characters are said to be light speed or lightning speed faster Character only 500 times the speed of sound but figure of speech
But apart from what I said before, I really liked your well-made video with good explanations for everyone to understand, but make another video in this style about the king of souls (prime) vs dragon ball super
w vidddd 💕
The best thing is knowing that when the anime ends we will see finally what tru Bankai Ichigo power looks like, cause in the manga we havent seen anything yet
The downplaying is actually crazy.
Frieza has statements of being able to destroy the universe. Even base namek spirit bomb Goku was able to destroy the universe.
The universes in Dragon Ball are infinite in size and amount. That basically makes 2nd form frieza multiversal.
And perfectly cell us easily high multiversal because he heavily outscales anyone from OG dragon Ball to Android saga.
I don't see ichigo surviving the namek frieza saga. Frieza outscales the verse.
How could he destroy the universe if he was gonna die from the Namek explosion?
@@SleepyCloud-i4z
Because he was weakened and cutted in half and almost dead anyways? He literally took on a universal spirit bomb.
With this level of glazing I can get Ichigo to Outerversal lmao
@@Super_dragon981 at that point in time no one in DBZ was even solar system level
How Vegeta die when frieza blasted earth? @@Super_dragon981
Thank you for actually saying the truth about ichigo, people say you were glazing but you were telling the truth dont feel bad, great video
The truth? A vast underscale isn’t the truth
Ichigo could probably take Buu with one gran ray cero getsuga tensho
He better whip out Gran Ray Cero Getsuga Jujisho
@@DD-to5ig that works too
Could you do a Yujiro Hanma video? That would be lit, plus the spinoffs are crazy too.
Am pretty sure that ichigo can clear DBZ but not DBS, but good video 👍
Lo dudo solo freezer de z basta para el
0:48 Wait what!? It literally says ss not just the sereitei it’s specifying it doesn’t mean the sereitei in the image.
THE IRON MAN RODTANG vs dragon ball verse
How long does dragon ball survive?
Goated comment. They don't. They wish for buakaw😅
Mighty Mouse chokes Zeno to sleep ez
Sería al revés cuanto sobrevive la buxa de ichigo
Amazing video
Remember that ichigo is nowhere near his full potential, even for his shinigami and hollow powers
He also has yet to use his quincy powerups (vollstanding, sklave rai, shrift) which can be hundreds of times buff in power
He also has his bankai ability which seems to be op and has a chance of being a win con
So hell arc ichigo will likely solo dbz with ease
I hope you do a video on it once bell arc releases
But for now ichigo probably loses
Talk about king Arthur or cath from seven deadly sins and yhwach
Rate this quote i could give you the entire chapter for more context:
"Aoi," "I will give you a dream-a dream of belonging, of purpose."
"Like a fish clings to water or a bird to the sky, you, Aoi, are mine,"
"Nothing less, and nothing more. And there is no dream sweeter than that." -Akiko from angels chronicle.
Entire chapter: ### Chapter 159: A Promise in the Valley
Finally, they reached their destination: a secluded valley, far from the prying eyes of the world. Akiko gently set Aoi down on the soft grass, the cool breeze ruffling his hair.
"Aoi," Akiko began, her voice soft yet resolute. "I will give you a dream-a dream of belonging, of purpose."
Aoi listened intently, his eyes fixed on Akiko's face as she spoke.
"Like a fish clings to water or a bird to the sky, you, Aoi, are mine," Akiko continued, her words carrying a weight that Aoi couldn't quite comprehend. "Nothing less, and nothing more. And there is no dream sweeter than that."
Aoi's brow furrowed in confusion, but he could sense the sincerity in Akiko's words. She was offering him something-something that he couldn't quite grasp, but something that felt important nonetheless.
As he gazed up at her, Aoi felt a sense of trust wash over him. Despite the uncertainty of their journey and the mysteries that surrounded Akiko, he knew that he was safe in her care.
With a nod, Aoi accepted Akiko's words, allowing himself to be swept up in the dream she offered. In this quiet valley, far from the chaos of the world, he felt a sense of peace settle over him-a peace that he hadn't known in a long time.
Together, they stood in the midst of the wilderness, the promise of the future stretching out before them like an uncharted path. And as the sun dipped below the horizon, casting a warm glow over the valley, Aoi closed his eyes, allowing himself to be enveloped by the dream that Akiko had given him.
Ichigo could range from making it to early DBS to clearing DBS depending on how you scale him
He’s bare minimum low multi due to scaling to Yhwach who can destroy the 3 realms, Dangai, Garganta etc though with the Dangai being outright called a Hyperspace (at least 4-D), Yhwach being able to destroy it’s space-time would be a 5-D AP feat which scales above DBS. Just like how destroying a 3-D universe’s space time is a 4-D feat
And on top of that, that Garganta is infinite in size even compared to the Dangai, and has its own separate space-time, so destroying that is potentially 6-D AP
Unless you go with outerversal DB, the 5-D to 6-D Bleach scaling would out do DBS AP and Dura wise
As for speed, it’s either DBS blitzes, they’re similar speed or Bleach blitzed with different metas
With Bleach’s MFTL+ Meta is ridiculously slower than DBS’s MFTL meta unless there’s a calc for Senjumaru, the Soul King, Ichigo and Yhwach’s reiatsu shaking the 3 realms.
But Bleach has some time transcendent speed metas which would blitz DBS unless we take the Jiren statement literally
We also have to scale DB universe way lower than many people say.
@@jocoolshow garlic junior must be 5d too huh for deadzone hyperspace scaling lol they ain't getting past namek saga base Goku blitzes slowchigo
No Ichigo caps at 6d he is literally complex multiversal. humans 3d shinigamis we don’t See and not interact or feel anything 4d Aizen hogyoku is 5d cause he said he himself is transendent above hollows and shinigamis he must allow them to even feel his reiatsu power. mugetsu Ichigo is 6d Aizen Said he is on a higher dimension then himself so he is low complex Multi at best. Because Yhwach said he got the powers back he defeated Aizen with and he defeated him with the final getsuga tenshou Form which is perfect 6d Not higher Not lower. Not to mention this was Ichigos Shikai form in the fight where Yhwach said that. You can’t Lowball Ichigo to universal when even senjumaru is multiversal each realm is universe within and she shaked all three with a bit of her power this is multiversal a better example you can’t give and now Ichigo is a level beyond that he surpassed the ordinary soul reaper.
Yhwach shaking three realms is multiversal Yhwach himself is beyond that and Ichigo is 6d
@@Kurosaki_Ichigodayo that's not how it works aizen was truly 5d he wouldnt be able to interact with those he deem lower dimensionsal beings u have a Goku pfp I am assuming u know shin from DBZ has a similar statement by piccolo where piccolo says he dimensions is shin 5d it's just a hyperbolic statements bleach Max caps at universal+ even than u can say that's hax not ap or durability lol that's being a generous to bleach ur glorious ko g kenpachi struggles to cut a multi contental meteor nearly died and gremmy can't imagine himself being multi contental
W video have a nice day!
My boy not getting past namek😭🙏🙏
Fr
Dude high played ichigo soo much I had to skip to end & still got brain damage
@@sakkoyaba4482 dangai ichigo legit slapped away a black hole and that aint even his strongest form ☠️☠️☠️
He also scales far above characters that easily broke through dimentions.
He definitely makes it to ressurection of f arc.
This aint naruto g ichigo easily makes it past namek lmfao
Frieza is not beating Ichigo on namek, chill y’all still win in the end dbz fans
He low complex multi but we are still getting new feats from the anime cool video plus he held the entire gargantua which has infinite realms that transcends the other plus the gargantua that is 5D 6D but still good video
Frieza second form is stated multiple time that has the power to destroy the entire living universe
This guy : Solar system
Ichigo still outscales, hes above universal, so doesnt matter
@@Ammiad and where is your proof kiddo? none! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yet Cell who’s stronger than him caps at multi solar at best lol, also SSJG Goku and Beerus clashing have the same power as 2nd form freezer you say? Yeah no that statement is an exaggeration
@@74ss43 bleach fanboys are very desperate for their favorite character to win. even first form frieza in the namek saga is overkill to all bleach characters. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jafsjafs8820 bruh did my reply get deleted?
Frieza only had the energy issue in Golden, BUT i'll give you that he WOULD run out if he put on his Big boy 100% in namek Saga, but thats the same thing as for any human, you CAN lift your own body weight or a bit more, but exerting that much effort does take the wind out of you, he's just flexing his muscles basically, and that gets tiring, but the 4th for is still his base.
Tien solos bleach💀
Frrrrrr I am flabbergasted
🤡
Tien does NOT solo bleach. I don’t care about any scaling I refuse to believe Tien of all people is universal. Even if he is Yhwach still slams
@@BRUH-lk3cv Mid tiers alone solos Tien 💀
@@sphera4147 no one in bleach except yhwach aizen and ichigo is strong the rest are pure city lvl
When Piccolo turned the moon into dust with his two fingers, Piccolo's power Level was below 700 🤞 When Master Roshi destroyed the Moon, Master Roshi's power level was only 136 -
3-4 planets could be destroyed just by waving King Vegeta's hand and the size of those planets was thousands of times bigger than Earth - Power Lev 18000 🤣🤣 ( Top Anime Base Goku - 100 Trillion 👹 )
Why you low ball dbz bro did you take in concentration og dbz
They many light speed feats like king piccolo light speed attacks that state to be light this would people even the saiyan at mftl+ speed and them king kai can track a space ship moving 1 trillion times the speed of light and you didn't use the king vegeta destroy 3 larger planet making vegeta saiyan saga large start level and 1st form frieza when destroy planet vegeta had stars making it solar system level and 2nd form frieza stat to shake the unverse up making final form frieza universal+
@@Brayxedit wow that's crazy, Ichigo still stomps though, and that's wank
Yeah he low ball DBZ too much
@@sphera4147 cry and cope more kiddo. first form frieza in the namek saga is overkill to all bleach characters. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jafsjafs8820 Ichigo is 5D/6D so Frieza simply gets one shot alongside with the verse lmao.
Anymore cope?
@@sphera4147 and where is your proof kiddo? none! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I see people scaling HOS to SSJ Blue 💀
And thats valid?
@@ItzS1lverrnooooo bro, it isn't not even close
Do you think that it is?
@@ANIMECONTENT-rg5fe i want to stay respectful as possible and i dont mean to cause any problems, it just doesnt make sense that people use valid scales to get bleach characters to high universal, complex multiversal, all that just for people to ignore it
@@ANIMECONTENT-rg5fe if you mid balled dragon ball and high balled bleach then hos ichigo COULD maybe get to ssjb and with a slight bit of glaze ultra instinct
@@ItzS1lverr I see what you mean
Is this remi from tik tok’s channel?
@@l3o_edits_ I have a TikTok yeah
Vegeta regular season 1 Saiyan stands on the door of his space pod with Nappa above the planet in its outer atmosphere, points two fingers and destroys the entire world in seconds.
No way people still think Soul society and hueco mendo is a universe. Ichigo is multi-planetary, he never will be universal and same applies to Yhwach. I don’t know where this wank is coming from, the moment you ask a bleach fan to show feats they insult you and stay silent from there and on.
Even assuming Ichigo is universal, Goku who is multiversal still bodies him.
Buddy the naruto fans are the ones who insult and lie about ichigod scale, he is multiversal and so is juha bach and there is proof
They are directly stated to be universal bodies that exist in the garganta that’s a hyper space
just wait until it’s revealed that ichigo with his true bankai can shatter fate
Ichigo lost....as i expect( altho to be fair we may get more feats to him...and maybe he can clear dbz....NOT DBS)
@@pedrobuange1623 hard disagree
Yeah I also disagree
@@debateisaac15ichigo is not touching DBS bro, beerus one taps him.
Ichigo definitely gets to DBS but Goku himself still can't beat Beerus so Idk why people are trying to act like Ichigo can't somehow capture Beerus's attention (like Goku did) and give a good enough fight to not be killed.
@@kaimobley5324 Beerus is Universal. He one taps him and the verse at the same time. They can’t even track him.
You should do an adult six paths Naruto running the dbz gauntlet video
Depending on scaling he may stop at nappa or get to namek
@@Kacper-jw3bv Nah Naruto gets much farther than that. Naruto stops at the cell saga realistically
@@sphera4147 depends on the scaling
@@sphera4147Any complex multiversal feats for Naruto cause that is garlic level
Tbh yall highballing Ichigo so fucking high ngl. King Vegeta>Bleach verse just accept it and stop creating useless hope for bleach fans. Ssj Goku is overkill, bro can easily erase the whole planet only by 1 kamekameha.
It's clear you have no clue what you're talking about you just really like dragonball😭. It's not by force to try and scale cause you're making random empty statements without any clue if they're true or not. Spoiler alert, they're all false, Ichigo is Complex Multiversal scaling him above dbz and every character you've named in your comment.
Personally I think he's stopping at early dbs due to 5D scaling but I've seen others scale him a lot higher, I can't confirm or deny those claims till I do more research though, something you've done none of. It's ok to like dbz more than bleach but don't be saying nonsense like this bro ichigo one shots king vegeta and ssj goku in base😭
@@terakoinfinity9523 real all these people do is say "nuh uh dragon ball characters blow up galaxys", Yes and bleach characters are trying NOT to do that, other than ywach.
@@terakoinfinity9523 huh maybe i do not understand something 💀💀💀
Dbz fans when the enemy doesn’t actively try blowing everything up and has a clear control of their powers so it doesn’t happen(they’re apparently fodder)
You clearly don't even know ichigo's feats
Interesting video, but there is one thing do not agree with.
You said you don't believe Yamamoto to be universal in power but there is evidence that supports him being so. You see in chapter 510 and episode 7 of TYBW season 1 Yhwach stated that Yamamoto's bankai was so powerful that he was the only one among the Quincys strong enough to control it, this is important since Yhwach was strong enough to face off against Ichibei who is stronger than the other four members of squad zero with one of them display universal levels of power.
Thus this makes Yamamoto universal in power as well.
Resulta que sociedades de almas ni siquiera es un universo solo es un planeta actualmente todo lo que dijiste ya fue debunkeado y desmentido ase poco
@@jorgezurita6580 Soul Society is more than just a planet, from what we've seen in the series Soul Society is a universe that is parallel to the "World of the Living".
usando el traductor de google para traducirlo en español
Soul Society es más que un simple planeta, por lo que hemos visto en la serie Soul Society es un universo paralelo al "Mundo de los Vivos".
He stops at Buu saga
@@RetroMagnus761 dubs
Ichigo glaze needs to stop
To think the gap between BoG God Goku and Current Base Goku is like comparing a grain of sand to the Universe
Luffy victims
All of them 🔥🤞🏼
Get Luffy past base Naruto first 😼
He probably will go around find a villain who will tell him he is Saiyan then he is probably going to unlock ssj 1 because everyone in the Dragon Ball world just do it as a joke nowadays
17:42 I just want to correct this by saying...
"we've seen ichigo deal with Yhwach?", ichigo didn't deal with Yhwach because he was that much stronger he had alot of help alongside the still silver, without it ... He wouldn't be winning that TYBW match up
Massive Cell downplay. Good video but the down play of cell is criminal since I would assume Super Perfect Cell is lowballed Galaxy level and Highballed at Universal since the fight between Cell and Gohan brought the attention of Babbidi.
I'd like to apologise for the previous comment,you cooked with the ichigo scaling😭🙏
6:56 I'm just wondering, how TF will Ginyu swap bodies with ichigo???... Ichigo doesn't even have a body💀
If Ichigo went into the Super dlc i think he would clear atleast other universes like 6 and the others who were pretty much fodders at the ToP, but yeah main villains like Zamasu, Golden Frieza, Jiren and all that i don't think he would get the win :/, W video 👍
Hit really solo the vers so no and let's don't start with Kefla
This is how I feel it should be scaled. Did amazing until he couldn't.
Of course, when you give the highest interpretations to a character against the lowest interpretations to another character,
Most likely the character you gave the highest interpretations to will win.
Regarding Dragon Ball, Demon Piccolo mentioned that his power is infinite.
That means if we want to go to the highest interpretations, then Demon Piccolo's level is High Uni.
This applies to all characters above him, starting with Raditz, who is also High Uni.
Of course, this is the highest possible interpretation for these characters, meaning you cannot argue that Ichigo is stronger than the characters in Dragon Ball before the Cell arc because he is High Uni.
On the contrary, if we rely on the highest interpretations, then Ichigo will lose because the difference between Frieza, for example, and Demon Piccolo is 500,000 times stronger.
That means Frieza is 500,000 times above High Uni, and this is of course higher than anything you can give Ichigo.
If we go based on reasonable interpretations and ignore all the statements about how the worlds are infinite in Dragon Ball (almost all The worlds in Dragon Ball have a statement indicating that they are infinite) so we will find that Ichigo would be lucky if he could reach Frieza
As Frieza is stronger and faster by more than 20 times than Goku when he first arrived on Namek
Before Goku reached Planet Namek, Goku was able to avoid a meteor while on his ship
Which means Goku's speed is close to the speed of the ship
Goku's ship covered almost a quarter of the diameter of the universe in 6 days, which is equivalent to trillions of times faster than light
As for strength, in the anime, Goku collected energy from all the planets, stars and living beings in the universe in the Spirit Bomb that he used against Frieza
And Frieza survived it while using 50% of his strength, which makes Frieza 100% his level is twice Baseline Uni
If we are generous with Ichigo, we can say that it is several times Baseline Uni, and this is the highest thing that Ichigo can reasonably reach
The difference is not really big in terms of strength, but the difference in speed is huge to the point that That Ichigo can't touch Frieza
While Frieza masters the Destructo Disc technique
If you don't know the Destructo Disc technique is one of the most broken techniques in Dragon Ball where Krillin who is considered nothing was able to cut Frieza's tail in his second form
We even saw Goku in his base form using the Destructo Disc and thanks to this technique he was able to cut Buutenks in half which is stronger than Goku SSJ3
This means that this technique can cut a person 400 times stronger than you (the multiplier factor of SSJ3)
If Frieza doesn't use his speed with the Destructo Disc then no matter how generous we are with Ichigo he has no chance at all with Frieza
But if we decide to be very conservative and give the characters the lowest possible interpretations then in this case Ichigo can't even defeat Vegeta in his first appearance
Where Vegeta in his first appearance destroyed the planet Bucky Blast with one of his fingers and this is above anything I've seen in Bleach if we are conservative with Bleach
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A simple note It was never mentioned in the work that Saiyans cannot breathe in space, but it was mentioned that Saiyans cannot survive in the vacuum of space
Meaning the cause of death is unknown after they go out into space based on the available statements and the reason is not the inability to breathe
But you should know that these are only statements
And these statements contradict things that were shown in the work
Where Goku was shown in the manga flying in the vacuum of Trunks' world after Zeno erased it, we even saw Goku speak
And we saw Kid Goku in the anime and manga rise with a Power pole to the moon and return
In addition to the scene of King Vegeta destroying 3 planets, after destroying them, he was definitely in the vacuum of space and survived in it
And it is known that Feat > the statement
Means Saiyans can survive in space
So correct your information
"Frieza could react and dodge some of ichigos attacks" 9:33 "Ichigo has to fight someone just as strong and just as fast as him" 17:05. So Frieza can react and dodge some of Ichigos attacks but Kid Buu is also just as fast as Ichigo meaning Frieza is relative speed wise to Kid Buu? nah bro this scaling is wack. "Ichigo should be able to resist transmutation because Buu has only ever done that to fodder" 17:53 Is Vegito considered fodder now?
You're lowballing Dragonball and giving the best scaling of bleach possible but at least you acknowledged it.
Tbh, if we consider bleachverse to be high uni or low multi, you can get ichigo far higher. Remember nobody except ichigo could stop butterfly aizen, including the d0. And aizen had multiple transcendance, higher plan and straight up one higher dimensionnal statement, and considering he's also transcendant compared to d0, that makes a consistant scale for 5d butterfly/monster aizen. Ichigo is stated to have the same transcendance over aizen with dangai and above, that would make ichigo a straigjt up 6d low complex multiversal threat. That's consistent with lower characters' scale and dangai scaling
That, and in worst case mugetsu acts as existence erasure
If you actually scale ichigo
It sounds like "i just like bleach better, so ichigo gets all the way to buu" 😂
He didn’t really scale good in the cell saga but I believe he’d lose to cell because of the zenkai boosts and all the training that’s happened during there
Namek Frieza it's Overkill 💀⚰️
this scale kinda went to nothing once u improperly scales freiza who destroyed planet vegeta in his first form that had two suns orbiting it so first form freiza is above the feat u gave android 18 &19
The Mortal Realm and The Heavenly Realms are all infinite in size.
You forgotten the most AP character in Dragon Ball '' Farmer with the Shotgun'', one of his Omnipotent bullits can one shot any one but Radditz killed him with 1 finger LOL.
You forgot to mention what would happen if ichigo went super saiyan after finding that he is 0.5% saiyan
i like it except i would bumb ichigo scaling up so the mid tier is uni and high is multi which is still very good place for ichigo to be as it is still in line with the narrative of bleach and all the dimensions with their being countless valley of screams and each one is infinite
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