…and it takes some luck....since you‘re not able to control your final speed and avoid traffic…once you‘re going for it, you have to hope for the best and a gab to put it down....if there‘s no gab, you‘re in deep trouble...
Glad the pilot landed safely. And great job with the local news choppers in the area coordinating with Midway tower on the situation. ( Copter 7 - WLS [ABC], Copter 2 - WBBM [CBS], Copter 31 - WFLD [FOX], Copter 5 - WMAQ [NBC] )
Wow! Very professional call by the pilot. Excellent radio work and excellent response by the ATC. We can only hope we are all that calm on the radio and hope that ATC is so assertive. Nice work by both parties.
great job by the atc, remaining calm, you could also hear genuine concern in his voice as he checked on the aircraft, and relief as he found out souls were ok.
Good thing it was clear. In my home town a young Naval officer lost his engine (Piper) and tried to dead stick. It was night and raining. He had his parents with him. Hit a wire and came down in front of our house. No fire, but nothing could be done. Terrible.
Daniel Weiss , I believe in the middle of the night trapping private property, aircraft, on the field. It was disgraceful. Some schoolboy bully behaviors he exhibited.
Maybe if that f'ing criminal Chicago Mayor Daley hadn't plowed Meigs airport under in the middle of the night that Ercoupe could have landed there, on a real runway, instead of on a road.
Greg Stark , Idiotic, delusional, irrational, illogical, vengeful mayor and his egotistical arrogant wife. One of the most short sighted decisions in all of aviation history.
Agreed, it was a beautiful, peaceful, and unique airfield, a real gem. Daley was all those things and worse. In another setting he'd be a tinpot dictator, he certainly acted like it.
Greg Stark , The thing that really irritates me is that the airport's arrogant elitist unapproachable attitude was gone once the EAA-Young Eagles program started operating from there. As far as public good there was a excellent plan to create a aviation museum, education center, Young Eagles base, etcetera next to the airport. Political and business support was growing for the idea. EAA members around the nation wanted to participate in fundraising for it. Instead we got a major mental mess of a mayor who found some legal loophole so his wife could build a giant flower garden on the lakefront.
Chicago is almost a lost cause. People even claim that some of the guns on the streets are politician funded. I told the guy he forgotten his tin foil hat but now I'm starting to think he was onto something. But I'll never know since he was killed in a random shooting.
Ercoupe has a slight advantage vs a lot of aircraft for a road landing.. its relatively small and has a low stall speed. (actually hard to stall the thing due to design limited elevator authority) Has a good chance to reasonably match speed of traffic.
Hard to stall but vertical speed is akin to a piano when forward speed gets too low. I own and fly an Ercoupe. Great planes! Extremely safe but not bullet proof in any sense of the word.
News reported he went under the foot bridge and landed, but that's the news reporting still feasible. It's always a tricky landing with cars, my thought is better to land just ahead of them, once they see you they should stop, and of course wires too. Having parcial power is a great help and going on ahead over populated area trying to make it back is always a bad decision because you might have complete engine failure. Maybe some carb ice?
Crash-landing = you broke something in process of landing. Have to wait for NTSB report (there will be one for engine failure causing landing on road) for actual cause of loss of power. They'll probably haul it back to the airport and have it in the air again within a week if its not a major engine issue.
VASAviation Victor, given how you (nicely) trim dead air, what was the actual elapsed time from touchdown until the choppers were overhead with EMS already on scene? Thanks!
Ho does it work: When the controller finds out everything is okay (or not okay...), is he/she replaced by another controller so he/she can have some rest and collect the thoughts?
I just posted about a guy who swore that guns were being put back on the streets there and how I thought the guy lost his tinfoil hat. But in a sad twist of fate he was recently shot and killed in what's been labeled a random shooting that doesn't feel so random.
Excellent landing. And even though Chicago people (i live there) are some of the biggest assholes on planet earth, hands down, if not THE biggest 99 percent of the time.... In an emergency, they can become some of the best people on earth. It's weird. 2 extremes for sure. You need to merge in heavy traffic? Guy next to you will flip you off, and then mash both gas and brake alternatively to keep you from getting in. Because fuck you, that's why... But a stricken plane is coming down on the road? That same Chicago driver will intentionally wreck his own car just to make space for the plane and then run over and make sure the dude is ok. Anyone from Chicago knows this. Worst people to be around during normal circumstances, but in a major catastrophe? Hell, id take a million of them right beside me. It's almost like we spend so much time constantly being mad at each other in this city, that the humanity gets so bottled up that it just forces its way out in an emergency.
phapnui , I think he would. Wikipedia says the aircraft manufacturer switched to wood construction during WW2, so fabric and dope are needed for repairs.
I used it as a kid making model airplanes. Stinky stuff. I remember a field that had a couple of hangers where they flew Ercoupes and got my dope cheaper there since they had it in drums. Stuff was expensive then I can imagine what it costs today. I note the old paper and dope method has been replaced with an iron on material. And I imagine balsa wood replaced by lighter and stronger graphene when they figure out how to make it cheaply.
David Hoffman Only a hundred or so Ercoupes were built before WWII. Vast majority, including about 4000 of them, were built in 1946. There was virtually not wood used in the planes. Fuselage was all metal. Wing were metal frames covered in fabric.
unable is the standard word to use when ATC asks you something that you can't do, like if you are VFR and the tower asks you to climb into clouds or similar.
Zzyzx Wolfe, no, within several of the radio transmissions, when the microphone is keyed, you will hear a "screeching noise", that tone, is called an "identifier", and announces, on a radio base station's data console, the identity of the unit transmitting the message. The technology is commonly used by police, fire, and EMS agencies; but in the 40+ years since I first started flying, I'd never heard that in any VHF-Air transmission.
Ah, I'm not completely sure about that. There's FANS-1/A for CPDLC that uses D8PSK but that's either over VHF or SatCom. Though, it should be noted that these recordings are generally from LiveATC.net which is a network of enthusiasts who monitor the frequencies and stream them online and also record them. They often use SDR, so it could be interference or something, or perhaps a repeater or something else that's a part of their setup so that it only records while there's activity or something similar.
I'm thinking it's either an identifier, or a CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) sequence, used to activate or disable a repeater. I know that some airports use an open carrier-type activation; ARCAL, or PAL systems to control nighttime runway/taxiway lighting, but this "ain't it"... I'll work on it, then let you know.. It sounds similar to a 'squat packet transmission"; but that scenario doesn't come in to play here.
If there had been any actual damage, insurance would have covered up to the limits of the policy. Landing on a street has no bearing on coverage. If the plane was totaled with insurance, it would most likely not involve bankruptcy as the plane's value is only about $20-$25 thousand.
*Landing on a road is a tough decision and requires of some good skills to not hit anything or injure anyone. This pilot did it. Great job!*
…and it takes some luck....since you‘re not able to control your final speed and avoid traffic…once you‘re going for it, you have to hope for the best and a gab to put it down....if there‘s no gab, you‘re in deep trouble...
Good command and control of the plane! That must have been something to see. Gee, I might have rubbernecked, myself, at this one. 😎
Thumb up for the controller who get a feat appreciation and decision for the pilot. Super clear. I was amaze.
Thats my ercoupe now shes in Florida Im about to do A full restore on the wings from all the hand push marks the cops put on it.
Really gives you an appreciation for ATC.
Glad the pilot landed safely.
And great job with the local news choppers in the area coordinating with Midway tower on the situation. ( Copter 7 - WLS [ABC], Copter 2 - WBBM [CBS], Copter 31 - WFLD [FOX], Copter 5 - WMAQ [NBC] )
Thanks for that info on the choppers :)
VASAviation - Absolutely. :) Glad being a news junkie, the info came in handy.
Excellent job by the pilot and controller!
Really good that the controller pointed out a good place to put it down that the pilot had not considered...
Wow! Very professional call by the pilot. Excellent radio work and excellent response by the ATC. We can only hope we are all that calm on the radio and hope that ATC is so assertive. Nice work by both parties.
great job by the atc, remaining calm, you could also hear genuine concern in his voice as he checked on the aircraft, and relief as he found out souls were ok.
Yeah you can feel the lump in his throat after he lost contact and had to go to the next plane.
Wow doesn't take long for the vultures to come out.
This time they were helpful and seemed to stay out of the way.
No crash, good news for people onboard, bad for vultures.
The guy on ATC was a champ.
Never thought of news copters being ambulance chasers! They are!
The plane took off from Kenosha (KENW). I was literally at Kenosha practicing landings 5 minutes after he left. Crazy.
Always glad to hear that everyone's OK.
Good thing it was clear. In my home town a young Naval officer lost his engine (Piper) and tried to dead stick. It was night and raining. He had his parents with him. Hit a wire and came down in front of our house. No fire, but nothing could be done. Terrible.
There ain't no road just like it...
In seriousness, the pilot did fantastically and I'm glad no one got injured.
If only Daley didn't bulldoze Meigs
Daniel Weiss ,
I believe in the middle of the night trapping private property, aircraft, on the field. It was disgraceful. Some schoolboy bully behaviors he exhibited.
Hey, my old town. Get those two some Chicago Italian Beef Sandwiches and fries for such a decent job of landing.
David Hoffman from Portillo’s?
Austin Tong ,
Yes, I am a fan of Portillo's. Sweet, Hot, and Dipped.
But, there are others that are good enough to treat a guest.
David Hoffman Love Portillo glad they started invading Milwaukeeland with them.
Maybe if that f'ing criminal Chicago Mayor Daley hadn't plowed Meigs airport under in the middle of the night that Ercoupe could have landed there, on a real runway, instead of on a road.
Jeeze it’s not like we had a nice airport there or anything
They had to fly under a pedestrian bridge and maneuver rush hour traffic, amazing job!
Too bad they got rid of Meigs airport, he could've easily landed there.
Greg Stark ,
Idiotic, delusional, irrational, illogical, vengeful mayor and his egotistical arrogant wife.
One of the most short sighted decisions in all of aviation history.
Agreed, it was a beautiful, peaceful, and unique airfield, a real gem. Daley was all those things and worse. In another setting he'd be a tinpot dictator, he certainly acted like it.
Greg Stark ,
The thing that really irritates me is that the airport's arrogant elitist unapproachable attitude was gone once the EAA-Young Eagles program started operating from there. As far as public good there was a excellent plan to create a aviation museum, education center, Young Eagles base, etcetera next to the airport. Political and business support was growing for the idea. EAA members around the nation wanted to participate in fundraising for it. Instead we got a major mental mess of a mayor who found some legal loophole so his wife could build a giant flower garden on the lakefront.
Chicago is almost a lost cause. People even claim that some of the guns on the streets are politician funded. I told the guy he forgotten his tin foil hat but now I'm starting to think he was onto something. But I'll never know since he was killed in a random shooting.
Wow reading all the comments, what happened is a shame!
Wow, must have been nerve racking.
Oh boy, this Seattle sh**show is going to be good. Please post that when able
Ercoupe has a slight advantage vs a lot of aircraft for a road landing.. its relatively small and has a low stall speed. (actually hard to stall the thing due to design limited elevator authority)
Has a good chance to reasonably match speed of traffic.
Hard to stall but vertical speed is akin to a piano when forward speed gets too low. I own and fly an Ercoupe. Great planes! Extremely safe but not bullet proof in any sense of the word.
News reported he went under the foot bridge and landed, but that's the news reporting still feasible. It's always a tricky landing with cars, my thought is better to land just ahead of them, once they see you they should stop, and of course wires too. Having parcial power is a great help and going on ahead over populated area trying to make it back is always a bad decision because you might have complete engine failure. Maybe some carb ice?
congratulations! good job!
Crash landing on LSD welcome to Chicago :)
mattmopar440 not a crash though
good point depending on what your definition of crash is
Forced landing.
Crash-landing = you broke something in process of landing.
Have to wait for NTSB report (there will be one for engine failure causing landing on road) for actual cause of loss of power.
They'll probably haul it back to the airport and have it in the air again within a week if its not a major engine issue.
VASAviation Victor, given how you (nicely) trim dead air, what was the actual elapsed time from touchdown until the choppers were overhead with EMS already on scene? Thanks!
What are those noises on the frequency? Sounds like some digital signal
Are you working on the hijacked Q400 out of SEA? ATC tape is up, but will wait to get it from you.
Cthippo1 it wasn’t hijacked. It was stolen. Get it right 🤦🏼♂️
Spicy Beef ever heard of mistakes
And that everybody makes them?
I drive up and down LSD frequently. Too bad I missed it! Glad everyone is safe.
Ho does it work: When the controller finds out everything is okay (or not okay...), is he/she replaced by another controller so he/she can have some rest and collect the thoughts?
I own that plane now.
ATC of q400 doing barrel roll!!!!!!
Great job!
Do the one with the C414 in Santa Ana CA.
Anyway you can post a video with the act audio from the San Anna Ca crash a few days ago?
Was thinking the same thing but it most likely has bought been released in full to the public yet it did not happen in the US.
Are you working on the Santa Ana crash from the other day?
Are those copters from the airport just like emergency vehicles or are they civilian aircraft?
They're news helicopters. That shot starting at 4:27? That was from one of those choppers.
HiddenWindshield Got it, thanks!
No problem!
HiddenWindshield copter 2 CBS, Copter 7 ABC, Copter 5 NBC and copter 31 FOX.
So did he get to fly it out?
Me like it
What is this strange digital noise we can hear sometimes covering the voice ?
It should not be done on another frequency ?
Did you hear of MS995? It diverted to Dublin because one person is sick, coming from Cairo, originally to Toronto Pearson. Any?
Reply, please.
Did he get shot down?
I just posted about a guy who swore that guns were being put back on the streets there and how I thought the guy lost his tinfoil hat. But in a sad twist of fate he was recently shot and killed in what's been labeled a random shooting that doesn't feel so random.
What did the librarian say to the kid?
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Got me :D
that's a new one. clever job there HD. lol
Lol
*YOU*
Excellent landing. And even though Chicago people (i live there) are some of the biggest assholes on planet earth, hands down, if not THE biggest 99 percent of the time.... In an emergency, they can become some of the best people on earth. It's weird. 2 extremes for sure. You need to merge in heavy traffic? Guy next to you will flip you off, and then mash both gas and brake alternatively to keep you from getting in. Because fuck you, that's why... But a stricken plane is coming down on the road? That same Chicago driver will intentionally wreck his own car just to make space for the plane and then run over and make sure the dude is ok. Anyone from Chicago knows this. Worst people to be around during normal circumstances, but in a major catastrophe? Hell, id take a million of them right beside me. It's almost like we spend so much time constantly being mad at each other in this city, that the humanity gets so bottled up that it just forces its way out in an emergency.
Does that Ercoupe pilot use dope?
phapnui ,
I think he would. Wikipedia says the aircraft manufacturer switched to wood construction during WW2, so fabric and dope are needed for repairs.
I used it as a kid making model airplanes. Stinky stuff. I remember a field that had a couple of hangers where they flew Ercoupes and got my dope cheaper there since they had it in drums. Stuff was expensive then I can imagine what it costs today. I note the old paper and dope method has been replaced with an iron on material. And I imagine balsa wood replaced by lighter and stronger graphene when they figure out how to make it cheaply.
phapnui they've got cheap covered now, i think they're just trying to scale it up. Graphite, tape, and an autoclave are all you really need now.
David Hoffman Only a hundred or so Ercoupes were built before WWII. Vast majority, including about 4000 of them, were built in 1946. There was virtually not wood used in the planes. Fuselage was all metal. Wing were metal frames covered in fabric.
Sully 2.0
UNABLE ...
He was like, "well, if I'm about to possibly die or at least f up my plane, I might as well pull a Sully and sound cool on the radio" lol
unable is the standard word to use when ATC asks you something that you can't do, like if you are VFR and the tower asks you to climb into clouds or similar.
+Jerry Rapp Thanks Captain Obvious ... this was just meant to be more of joking reference to Sully ...
#throwdaleydownthewell
What in the hell is keying in with an identifier?
They're referring to pressing IDENT on the transponder. It highlights the specific aircraft on their radar.
Zzyzx Wolfe, no, within several of the radio transmissions, when the microphone is keyed, you will hear a "screeching noise", that tone, is called an "identifier", and announces, on a radio base station's data console, the identity of the unit transmitting the message. The technology is commonly used by police, fire, and EMS agencies; but in the 40+ years since I first started flying, I'd never heard that in any VHF-Air transmission.
Ah, I'm not completely sure about that. There's FANS-1/A for CPDLC that uses D8PSK but that's either over VHF or SatCom. Though, it should be noted that these recordings are generally from LiveATC.net which is a network of enthusiasts who monitor the frequencies and stream them online and also record them. They often use SDR, so it could be interference or something, or perhaps a repeater or something else that's a part of their setup so that it only records while there's activity or something similar.
I'm thinking it's either an identifier, or a CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) sequence, used to activate or disable a repeater. I know that some airports use an open carrier-type activation; ARCAL, or PAL systems to control nighttime runway/taxiway lighting, but this "ain't it"... I'll work on it, then let you know.. It sounds similar to a 'squat packet transmission"; but that scenario doesn't come in to play here.
I mean, it sounds a bit like ACARS, but that also shouldn't be on voice.
Press F to pay respects
(a mean question) After landing on a road/interstate, does the insurance cover or the pilot goes bankrupt?
If there had been any actual damage, insurance would have covered up to the limits of the policy. Landing on a street has no bearing on coverage. If the plane was totaled with insurance, it would most likely not involve bankruptcy as the plane's value is only about $20-$25 thousand.