Read diff comments on how John's approach of his handling the gift (pearls) He gave to Evangeline. Remember John is rough around the edges and this is not a norm for Him......even though He Himself didn't actually asked His mom for it He felt that it was worth giving Her the pearls for Her birthday....... Evangeline was right to reject them because it means much more to Her like it's taking another step in their relationship and thinking John isn't. She was accepting the relationship as is (a few strings attached)......But here John showed Her that She means more and taking the next step by putting the pearls around Her neck when He didn't have too....... He is learning and appreciating more being with Her. She hasn't change Him. She loved Him the way He is........ She just wanted Him to open up more and deal whatever it is that holding Him back expressing/talking His feelings.......But that gaddamn Natalie won't leave Him the fuck alone.......And after all the shit, fuckery and lies this heifer is capable of the tptb wants John and Nat to be a super couple.......R they happy now? Oops I forgot they cancelled.😂......1/2024 That's how I see it.
For whatever reason, the writers forced John to love Natalie. That's why they could never pull it off. They kept playing ring around the partner with ME's character hoping that he could capture that magic with someone else but it was quite clear that John's soap opera soul mate was Evangeline!
@@Queen-mw9wp After watching these clips again I am pretty sure I figured it out. Evangeline was brought on as a bump in the road for Natalie and John. The head writer at the time was going to probably pivot to them (Evangeline and John) being together because they were the original Olitz (couple from Scandal). But they were more wholesome, they were meant to be husband and wife level chemistry. Majority of America was ready but abc and small group of racist fans were not. They caved to the minority when the head writer retired. REG is a star and it all worked to her benefit in the long run. ME never got that attached to another costar going forward plus think he had zero attraction to Natalie at all and zero friendship in real life, so it came across as a job. Another commenter said it was racism that brought one of the best soap couples in history down. I loved oltl but stopped watching after they broke them up. It was very obvious at the time what was going on and think it eventually led to cancellation. REG did not like the direction of her character; that played a big role in her leaving. Other leading ladies were getting married and she was jumping from man to man. She was by far the most talented on the show at the time and deserved a better storyline. Soaps were dying at the time but if they had made John and Evangeline a super couple they would have survived over GH.
I love how whenever John is saying something really romantic he looks away and stutters a bit like hes shy to really show how he feels besides on a physical level. I get so pissed when later on TPTB make the "I love you" thing such a big issue. You dont give your mothers pearls to a woman you dont love
naturaldisaster94 I never understood what the real reason for the I Love you to be spoken. He showed her so many times how he felt about her. Sometimes writers are so oblivious to the human element. When a man have a hard time expressing his feelings he usually show it in other ways. That's what John was doing. Like some fans said she's smart when it came to the law but not in matters of the heart.
you are so right about the Knat fans, I looked at one of Starcrunch's "john/knat" clips because I wanted to see if I saw any real chemistry(which I didn't) and posted a comment about it and the haters couldn't take neg post about the character. They refuse to except that fact that the John/Knat pairing didn't work and that's one of the many reasons OLTL is off the air.
John and Evangeline lived up to the title of the show "ONE LIFE TO LIVE" that one lifetime doing it as "thee" couple that took us by the storm. But didn't they tried to do it again as young love with Matthew that had an interracial romance or was it one night and a baby for him before the show was cancelled....🤔
IKR!! you don't give your mother's pearls to someone you sorta care about. Come On Van I love ya, but like Nora said, he showed you in a million wordless ways!
Layvna yes he did. Didn't get it then. Why they never wanted him to tell her that he loved her. Because he really did love her more than he thought he could ever love anyone.
The facts are these John changed after Evangeline and that in part was due to Michael Easton changing his approach to his character John was no longer fun and flirty. He turned all doom and gloom because even in the end he was never as happy as he was back in the day with Evangeline.
94take remember the look on his face when she put them in his hand. It was as if she put a knife in his heart. He didn't want them back. He gave them to her and he wanted her to keep them.
I feel John was scared to let Vange no that he loved her because his love for Vange i believe was stronger than the love he had for Catilyn and it scared him.
mattie1950 we are on the same page. I felt that to. Because when she thought that he had said that to Natalie and his reply was I never confessed my love to anyone.
He stated he never made any declaration of love to anyone. Which meant he never tolded Catilin that he loved her either. We don't know how long they were together either.
Never mind! been a while since I've watched this clip - clearly it's gnat! EvangelinesHeart bless your heart for cutting out as much as possible of that idiot out of this scene. She seems forever destined to be creeping in where she don't belong.
Lmao! John came in and "marked"his territory! R J had to back off! I love you Evangeline, but I got to express this opinion for future Jovan fans.....Evangeline 's big problem was not Natalie, but John not expressing verbally that He loved her. The day John would have told her that He loved her, Evangeline would have gotten rid of Natalie once and for all, by any means necessary, short of murder! Evangeline would have left her real husband, if John had said those words! Lol....I'm being silly, but this relationship could have really worked out! She was so big on hearing those words, that she missed all of the blatant hints that John was actually crazy about her!!! A man does not, and I repeat, does not give a woman his mother's pearls unless the next step is his mother's approval of him possibly marrying you! Sometimes, you were a dodo head Evangeline! Smh!!!
Nucreature. I agree with your assessment of their relationship. But at the same time Evangeline was only playing her role as it was written for her. I know if ME and REG had their way he would have tolded her a long time ago how he felt about her. Because he did say how he felt but she fell asleep on him remember. The bigger problem was why they never allowed him to say that too her again. Because they had a hidden agenda and a new direction for John love life. We can speculate all we want but soaps are dying out due to the fact that they need better writers with a insight into the real world and the makeup of how real relationships work. Because a real woman knows when a man cares about her and he doesn't necessarily have to say anything but when the time comes he will and she will be blown away because she will not expect it.
I agree completely. They saw this super couple in John and Natalie. But it would have been too boring to put them together right away. So they thought Evangeline could be used as a bump in the road. They didn't count on them having so much chemistry lol. They also didn't count on fans taking a huge interest in them...that's when it got complicated for the writers.
You ever notice when RJ talk to Evangeline John come around the corner and has a face of get away from my girlfriend to RJ . John has a little bit of a possessive side when it came to Evangeline not a bad possessive not controlling but she's mine leave her alone kind of way like a tiger warning all other male tigers She's Mine stay away from my . I love when he did that . John didn't do that let Natalie . Even when he wasn't with Evangeline he still had a little bit of a face of I don't want anybody else with her and he was with Natalie and she was with Christian . Not that he really wanted to be with Natalie , Evangeline broke up with him , Natalie the rebound women that was so into him he went along with it . Natalie would like the ditzy blond he had to save time and time again so he went along with it like he said that was easier then having a real relationship with Evangeline .
I had a problem with his possessiveness because he was not willing to cut Natalie out of his life. I think she should have kept her options open until he stopped running around saving Natalie. I wish there was another love interest for her at the time. John loved her but he always left the door open with Natalie and even ended up with her shortly after they broke up. Evangeline stayed single for a long time and had no support during a very tough time in her life with the trial and watching him move on so quickly.
@@Tee1234-i2y that true I hated how John so connect to Natalie just because Christian died working for John . And the fact that the writers switch relationship is beyond me .And the fact that Evangeline kept pushing John away in to Natalie harm is crazy to me .
This scene is part of the reason I get frustrated with John and Evangeline. 1. John does not tell his mother about Evangeline. MIchael his brother does. 2. He does not ask his mother for the pearls to give Van, the mother sends it on her own. 3. He gave her a gift (how ever meaningful it was) that fell into his lap. If we compound this by the fact, John's mother has met Natalie and tried to hook them up together. Van just got shafted.
i agree with Marshjone; both Trevor and Micheal wanted more screen time with Renee. ME did say that he would never say it was over between Van & John. Nat and John fans did not out number Jovan and Tangeline Fans thats why the show was canceled. I watched a few Nat & John love clips their ok, the worst was Todd and Blair. Van just knew how to get the boys to really like her off screen so the sparks would fly on screen. I would love to see Renee on Scandal as Liv sister.
That would be a great idea for her to be a daughter of Papa Pope from another woman. She and Olivia could have been dualing sisters. Really this shows the World that Black Women are Cunning, Brilliant,Rich, Well spoken and Classy.
How come when John gave Nat her engagement ring it came off so corny not even romantic but here John gave her his mothers pearls and it felt he just proposed to her.
Yes it did feel like it came from his heart even his voice had a different tone to so smooth and sexy. He was just so sexy with her and so much in love with her. I just don't know why they didn't leave them alone and let him work through his demom in his own way. If they had done that he would have tolded her that he loved her in time. Because he really did love her more than he thought possible.
@suckyuhmaddah I agree. It was a nice gift but no real forethought on John's part. John had a lot of emotional issues to work out. Van realized that herself which is why she gave them back later on. She was a great lady, she deserved more.
You know what I find to be interested is that the actress who played Natalie didn't want her and John as a couple. She liked their friendship relationship. She felt that Jovan wasn't given the opportunity too explore a relationship. And ME kept insisted tptb that he say i love you too Van and they refused. This just proved how arrorgant people in charge are. They wouldn't even take into account what actors wanted for their characters.
I understand her need to just hear it..but damn...I mean that still should've been enough lol..I mean the man never ignored her and he was always there...aaaah I can't help but get sucked into this lol
L1558 you are not the only one. I've been rewatching these clips for a while now and I get so pisted at what the writers and producers did to this couple it makes me sick. They had such great repore with one another how come they didn't utilize them better?
Just like Johns mother giving Natalie her wedding ring and telling her John was going to propose to her, she gave the ring back and how many years was it she had to wait to get that ring again..... Oh yeah when she got knocked up. And that only reason she got the ring, hes been holding on to it for 5 damn years really?!
The writers/producers was the problem. John/Natalie just did not have anything that's why their interaction was so fake. John loved Van until she left the show. Are the writers/producers brainless because they are still trying to create Jolie again. OLTL is definitely going to be cancelled .
I'm not a guy but if I give a guy something that belonged to my father.....it means I love you. Just because John never said the words doesn't mean he didn't feel them. Something words get in the way and take away the true beauty of being loved. Besides it's just three little words. That should not have been held against John
@94take John called his mother and asked for the ring the night he died because he was going propose to Natalie. He and Michael had a conversation about it and it was the last thing his vision of his dad said before he called his mom. His mom gave Natalie the ring was because of the conversation she had with her son. They broke up so no more ring until they got back together. But I find the ring is completely irrelevant. My main problem with this clip is what John said.
People keep asking me why they didn't 'make it' if they were 'true love'. My answer is sublime. TPTB literally had to keep them out of scenes together to wet the flame, because no amount of writing will ever make magic happen with Jolie...not of the caliber of JoVan. It is to the viewers misfortune that Natalie is a centerpiece and TPTB want the leading man John with the centerpiece. They are invested in th actors. Unfortunately, Jolie doesn't work. So we must suffer as the writers digress.
Great observation traciejay!!! John never felt for Natalie the way he did for Van..Natalie/MA made the comment i read that John/Natalie was not a real couple.. The OLTL writers and producers tried to create something that was not there between John/Natalie. I felt John was a big brother to Natalie
He always said that he was not in love with Natalie and I just don't know why they wanted him to be with her. If an actor is letting you know that there's nothing that could make this work why they didn't listen. But I must give ME his props he did his best to make it interesting and some what believable. But it was not the same passion nor those dreamy eyes that he had for REG.
@94take He wanted to after it fell into his lap. I would have preferred if he gave her something he chose or went out and got without any prodding from his family members including a mother he never mentioned Van to. It's not like he asked his mom for the pearls. I'm not sure why Van is so happy because I wouldn't be but I guess because he gave her something despite the fact he got it unexpectedly.
@AJSP35801 He was not going to propose to her in 2007 b/c during the recovery they were fighting a lot. Marriage wasn't going to fix that. But John explained to Michael why he got the ring - for the first time since Caitlin he was actually happy, and he asked his mother for the ring because he wanted it just in case the need to propose came over it. Add this to his complete fantasy of family with Natalie and that he told his father, he was ready to start a family with her pre-accident.
Omg there she is again. In the real world she would got ass check who does that and RJ too what hell is he looking at them like it's going to make a difference some how.
@AJSP35801 "I let u go on thinking we were heading somewhere we werent, I just wasn't sure" John was conflicted. John's words: He asked for the ring b/c he was thinking of proposing. He had the ring in case the impulse arose. He wanted to start a family with Nat. Post-crash: accident changed them both, messed up their relationship. Their breakup scene consists of them mostly speaking about fights/cross-purpose and 30s was about marriage. John said a lot about their fights.
I completely agree with you AJSP35801 and the person who keeps engaging you is definitely a John/Natalie fan who has been trolling video clips posted for JoVan fans just to be antagonizing. Just goes to show, even with the show CANCELED, people resent that JoVan was the superior pairing. John and Natalie were so compelling they sent a 35 year old soap into the ether.
@AJSP35801 John admitted he wasn't sure if he was going to propose or not. Hence the mixed signals. There was a two episode discussion where he was working through his feelings so not marrying her in 2007 was not a given. What you reminded me of is 2005 John cornering Nat in the PD and making it a point to assure her that he and Van were not getting married. Nat ignored/avoided him for half the day, he felt the need to alleviate her fears and reestablish their relationship.
@AJSP35801 The Nat comment wasn't apart of the list, it was an afterthought. It was the ! to my shock that John, the mother's boy, didn't tell his mom about Van while Mike who is less close, did. Hence the shafted comment. But the ring/proposal was not me. As for the (as if John ..), I say exactly what I mean, the "as if", has more to do with interpretation (uncontrollable). He implied he thought of Nat-mom dynamic w/ the he knew his mom would like her but he and Nat weren't in a relationship.
Jolie had nothing on Jovan and I was a huge fan of Jolie. Now it's like Jolie who!!!! Tptb messed up big time with this couple. Evangeline brought out a side that no other woman(including Natalie) could.
Tiffany ball you are so right. REG brought out the very best in everyone in this show. Especially ME he had so much fun with her and that just made you want to keep watching the both of them. Why writers and producers never want to show case a beautiful couple in love and making it work. All relationships have their ups and downs but you work them out. That's what makes loving someone stronger and knowing you're in it together.
I think every female on OLTL except Vicki and Dorian wanted a love scene with ME so they had to get rid of REG because I really believe if she had stayed on the show I do believe John would have tried to win her back. They could not have that.
Dorian woulda tried.....Age ain't nothing but a number to her.....She got with David Vickers.......He's way younger than her......John is plateable......But Vicki has little more class not on her radar but Nicki could hit it.😁....
@AJSP35801 I found this whole conversation pointless, this scene had nothing to do with Nat. And no, I'm not watching the scene between the relationship between John and Van was so compelling, I watched OLTL, the whole show. I'm rewatching scenes I watched when the show aired. I don't find a problem with that. Just the other day, I rewatched the jailbait video and there is NOTHING compelling there LOL. Quite frankly, I felt Van deserved more than some strings and pearls but to each his own.
@94take Honestly, I don't know why we've even speaking about Natalie. This moment has nothing to do with her. I stick with my original point, John did not have the decency to call his mother and tell her about Van - the woman he's been sleeping with for the better part of the year. He did not call and request the pearls to give her. And since you mentioned the ring, it is evident that John can call his mother and request things.
Read diff comments on how John's approach of his handling the gift (pearls) He gave to Evangeline. Remember John is rough around the edges and this is not a norm for Him......even though He Himself didn't actually asked His mom for it He felt that it was worth giving Her the pearls for Her birthday....... Evangeline was right to reject them because it means much more to Her like it's taking another step in their relationship and thinking John isn't. She was accepting the relationship as is (a few strings attached)......But here John showed Her that She means more and taking the next step by putting the pearls around Her neck when He didn't have too....... He is learning and appreciating more being with Her. She hasn't change Him. She loved Him the way He is........ She just wanted Him to open up more and deal whatever it is that holding Him back expressing/talking His feelings.......But that gaddamn Natalie won't leave Him the fuck alone.......And after all the shit, fuckery and lies this heifer is capable of the tptb wants John and Nat to be a super couple.......R they happy now? Oops I forgot they cancelled.😂......1/2024 That's how I see it.
Is there a way to watch this show again
@capricornlayanna3828 This is a soap opera call "One life to live".....I've only see clips now on UA-cam since it been off the air some time ago.
For whatever reason, the writers forced John to love Natalie. That's why they could never pull it off. They kept playing ring around the partner with ME's character hoping that he could capture that magic with someone else but it was quite clear that John's soap opera soul mate was Evangeline!
Yes it was!! And they ruined it!!!!
@@Queen-mw9wp After watching these clips again I am pretty sure I figured it out. Evangeline was brought on as a bump in the road for Natalie and John. The head writer at the time was going to probably pivot to them (Evangeline and John) being together because they were the original Olitz (couple from Scandal). But they were more wholesome, they were meant to be husband and wife level chemistry. Majority of America was ready but abc and small group of racist fans were not. They caved to the minority when the head writer retired. REG is a star and it all worked to her benefit in the long run. ME never got that attached to another costar going forward plus think he had zero attraction to Natalie at all and zero friendship in real life, so it came across as a job. Another commenter said it was racism that brought one of the best soap couples in history down.
I loved oltl but stopped watching after they broke them up. It was very obvious at the time what was going on and think it eventually led to cancellation. REG did not like the direction of her character; that played a big role in her leaving. Other leading ladies were getting married and she was jumping from man to man. She was by far the most talented on the show at the time and deserved a better storyline. Soaps were dying at the time but if they had made John and Evangeline a super couple they would have survived over GH.
I love how whenever John is saying something really romantic he looks away and stutters a bit like hes shy to really show how he feels besides on a physical level. I get so pissed when later on TPTB make the "I love you" thing such a big issue. You dont give your mothers pearls to a woman you dont love
naturaldisaster94 I never understood what the real reason for the I Love you to be spoken. He showed her so many times how he felt about her. Sometimes writers are so oblivious to the human element. When a man have a hard time expressing his feelings he usually show it in other ways. That's what John was doing. Like some fans said she's smart when it came to the law but not in matters of the heart.
They always seemed to make all of their moments so intimet and endearing.
John always smiled and acted shy around Van.. John really wanted there relationship to continue and he never got over Van!!!!
yes they was magic...he had chemistry only with Evangeline...he was attractive to her for real that is why.
you are so right about the Knat fans, I looked at one of Starcrunch's "john/knat" clips because I wanted to see if I saw any real chemistry(which I didn't) and posted a comment about it and the haters couldn't take neg post about the character. They refuse to except that fact that the John/Knat pairing didn't work and that's one of the many reasons OLTL is off the air.
John and Evangeline lived up to the title of the show "ONE LIFE TO LIVE" that one lifetime doing it as "thee" couple that took us by the storm. But didn't they tried to do it again as young love with Matthew that had an interracial romance or was it one night and a baby for him before the show was cancelled....🤔
For real!!!! I love my JOVAN ❤
IKR!! you don't give your mother's pearls to someone you sorta care about. Come On Van I love ya, but like Nora said, he showed you in a million wordless ways!
Layvna yes he did. Didn't get it then. Why they never wanted him to tell her that he loved her. Because he really did love her more than he thought he could ever love anyone.
Those two demons, RJ and Natalie keep appearing in the background....creepy!!!
The facts are these John changed after Evangeline and that in part was due to Michael Easton changing his approach to his character John was no longer fun and flirty. He turned all doom and gloom because even in the end he was never as happy as he was back in the day with Evangeline.
He didnt have to give her the pearls. He wanted to it was his choice.
94take remember the look on his face when she put them in his hand. It was as if she put a knife in his heart. He didn't want them back. He gave them to her and he wanted her to keep them.
He was not ready for that at all......what She did was official cut off the last connection They had between Them.......
It is so obvious he's in love with her right here. A man does not give you his mother's pearls unless it's serious.
I feel John was scared to let Vange no that he loved her because his love for Vange i believe was stronger than the love he had for Catilyn and it scared him.
mattie1950 we are on the same page. I felt that to. Because when she thought that he had said that to Natalie and his reply was I never confessed my love to anyone.
He stated he never made any declaration of love to anyone. Which meant he never tolded Catilin that he loved her either. We don't know how long they were together either.
Never mind! been a while since I've watched this clip - clearly it's gnat! EvangelinesHeart bless your heart for cutting out as much as possible of that idiot out of this scene. She seems forever destined to be creeping in where she don't belong.
That was beautiful moment. She should have kept him and the pearls. Once again he shows her how much she means to him instead of saying it.
Kat Brax I couldn't have said it any better. Sometimes actions speaks louder than words.
Lmao! John came in and "marked"his territory! R J had to back off! I love you Evangeline, but I got to express this opinion for future Jovan fans.....Evangeline 's big problem was not Natalie, but John not expressing verbally that He loved her. The day John would have told her that He loved her, Evangeline would have gotten rid of Natalie once and for all, by any means necessary, short of murder! Evangeline would have left her real husband, if John had said those words! Lol....I'm being silly, but this relationship could have really worked out! She was so big on hearing those words, that she missed all of the blatant hints that John was actually crazy about her!!! A man does not, and I repeat, does not give a woman his mother's pearls unless the next step is his mother's approval of him possibly marrying you! Sometimes, you were a dodo head Evangeline! Smh!!!
Nucreature. I agree with your assessment of their relationship. But at the same time Evangeline was only playing her role as it was written for her. I know if ME and REG had their way he would have tolded her a long time ago how he felt about her. Because he did say how he felt but she fell asleep on him remember. The bigger problem was why they never allowed him to say that too her again. Because they had a hidden agenda and a new direction for John love life. We can speculate all we want but soaps are dying out due to the fact that they need better writers with a insight into the real world and the makeup of how real relationships work. Because a real woman knows when a man cares about her and he doesn't necessarily have to say anything but when the time comes he will and she will be blown away because she will not expect it.
I agree completely. They saw this super couple in John and Natalie. But it would have been too boring to put them together right away. So they thought Evangeline could be used as a bump in the road. They didn't count on them having so much chemistry lol. They also didn't count on fans taking a huge interest in them...that's when it got complicated for the writers.
You ever notice when RJ talk to Evangeline John come around the corner and has a face of get away from my girlfriend to RJ . John has a little bit of a possessive side when it came to Evangeline not a bad possessive not controlling but she's mine leave her alone kind of way like a tiger warning all other male tigers She's Mine stay away from my .
I love when he did that .
John didn't do that let Natalie .
Even when he wasn't with Evangeline he still had a little bit of a face of I don't want anybody else with her and he was with Natalie and she was with Christian . Not that he really wanted to be with Natalie ,
Evangeline broke up with him ,
Natalie the rebound women that was so into him he went along with it .
Natalie would like the ditzy blond he had to save time and time again so he went along with it like he said that was easier then having a real relationship with Evangeline .
I had a problem with his possessiveness because he was not willing to cut Natalie out of his life. I think she should have kept her options open until he stopped running around saving Natalie. I wish there was another love interest for her at the time. John loved her but he always left the door open with Natalie and even ended up with her shortly after they broke up. Evangeline stayed single for a long time and had no support during a very tough time in her life with the trial and watching him move on so quickly.
@@Tee1234-i2y that true I hated how John so connect to Natalie just because Christian died working for John . And the fact that the writers switch relationship is beyond me .And the fact that Evangeline kept pushing John away in to Natalie harm is crazy to me .
I feel the love
This scene is part of the reason I get frustrated with John and Evangeline.
1. John does not tell his mother about Evangeline. MIchael his brother does.
2. He does not ask his mother for the pearls to give Van, the mother sends it on her own.
3. He gave her a gift (how ever meaningful it was) that fell into his lap.
If we compound this by the fact, John's mother has met Natalie and tried to hook them up together. Van just got shafted.
Did their mother know about Catilin? Did John ever talk to their mother about anyone he was involved with? Does anyone have an answer for me?
i agree with Marshjone; both Trevor and Micheal wanted more screen time with Renee. ME did say that he would never say it was over between Van & John. Nat and John fans did not out number Jovan and Tangeline Fans thats why the show was canceled. I watched a few Nat & John love clips their ok, the worst was Todd and Blair. Van just knew how to get the boys to really like her off screen so the sparks would fly on screen. I would love to see Renee on Scandal as Liv sister.
She would be great on Scandal. Unfortunately, Oliva is thee only child. (My honest opinion) She should've been Oliva Pope .
That would be a great idea for her to be a daughter of Papa Pope from another woman. She and Olivia could have been dualing sisters. Really this shows the World that Black Women are Cunning, Brilliant,Rich, Well spoken and Classy.
How come when John gave Nat her engagement ring it came off so corny not even romantic but here John gave her his mothers pearls and it felt he just proposed to her.
Yes it did feel like it came from his heart even his voice had a different tone to so smooth and sexy. He was just so sexy with her and so much in love with her. I just don't know why they didn't leave them alone and let him work through his demom in his own way. If they had done that he would have tolded her that he loved her in time. Because he really did love her more than he thought possible.
John was inlove with Van even though the writers/producers would not allow him to say the words to her.
@suckyuhmaddah I agree. It was a nice gift but no real forethought on John's part. John had a lot of emotional issues to work out. Van realized that herself which is why she gave them back later on. She was a great lady, she deserved more.
You know what I find to be interested is that the actress who played Natalie didn't want her and John as a couple. She liked their friendship relationship. She felt that Jovan wasn't given the opportunity too explore a relationship. And ME kept insisted tptb that he say i love you too Van and they refused. This just proved how arrorgant people in charge are. They wouldn't even take into account what actors wanted for their characters.
Great comments!!!!!! ME/REG the best couple ever!!!! JOVAN forever!!!!!
i agree but at the same time him saying it to natalie and not her would make me question why she was worth those three words and im not
She should of fight for John
I understand her need to just hear it..but damn...I mean that still should've been enough lol..I mean the man never ignored her and he was always there...aaaah I can't help but get sucked into this lol
L1558 you are not the only one. I've been rewatching these clips for a while now and I get so pisted at what the writers and producers did to this couple it makes me sick. They had such great repore with one another how come they didn't utilize them better?
One of my favorite scene.John was in love with Vange.Sent his brake up with her he hadn't been the same.Married to Blair what a joke. Big one at that.
1:51 is how all of Nat's scenes should be.
Just like Johns mother giving Natalie her wedding ring and telling her John was going to propose to her, she gave the ring back and how many years was it she had to wait to get that ring again..... Oh yeah when she got knocked up. And that only reason she got the ring, hes been holding on to it for 5 damn years really?!
The writers/producers was the problem. John/Natalie just did not have anything that's why their interaction was so fake. John loved Van until she left the show. Are the writers/producers brainless because they are still trying to create Jolie again. OLTL is definitely going to be cancelled .
All this chemistry and they were both married.These scenes had to be difficult for each of their spouses to watch at the time.
The fancons they used to have 6 something else. Lol Super soap weekend? Those were the days.
I'm not a guy but if I give a guy something that belonged to my father.....it means I love you. Just because John never said the words doesn't mean he didn't feel them. Something words get in the way and take away the true beauty of being loved. Besides it's just three little words. That should not have been held against John
@94take John called his mother and asked for the ring the night he died because he was going propose to Natalie. He and Michael had a conversation about it and it was the last thing his vision of his dad said before he called his mom. His mom gave Natalie the ring was because of the conversation she had with her son. They broke up so no more ring until they got back together.
But I find the ring is completely irrelevant. My main problem with this clip is what John said.
People keep asking me why they didn't 'make it' if they were 'true love'. My answer is sublime. TPTB literally had to keep them out of scenes together to wet the flame, because no amount of writing will ever make magic happen with Jolie...not of the caliber of JoVan. It is to the viewers misfortune that Natalie is a centerpiece and TPTB want the leading man John with the centerpiece. They are invested in th actors. Unfortunately, Jolie doesn't work. So we must suffer as the writers digress.
Great observation traciejay!!! John never felt for Natalie the way he did for Van..Natalie/MA made the comment i read that John/Natalie was not a real couple.. The OLTL writers and producers tried to create something that was not there between John/Natalie. I felt John was a big brother to Natalie
He always said that he was not in love with Natalie and I just don't know why they wanted him to be with her. If an actor is letting you know that there's nothing that could make this work why they didn't listen. But I must give ME his props he did his best to make it interesting and some what believable. But it was not the same passion nor those dreamy eyes that he had for REG.
@94take He wanted to after it fell into his lap. I would have preferred if he gave her something he chose or went out and got without any prodding from his family members including a mother he never mentioned Van to. It's not like he asked his mom for the pearls. I'm not sure why Van is so happy because I wouldn't be but I guess because he gave her something despite the fact he got it unexpectedly.
@AJSP35801 He was not going to propose to her in 2007 b/c during the recovery they were fighting a lot. Marriage wasn't going to fix that.
But John explained to Michael why he got the ring - for the first time since Caitlin he was actually happy, and he asked his mother for the ring because he wanted it just in case the need to propose came over it. Add this to his complete fantasy of family with Natalie and that he told his father, he was ready to start a family with her pre-accident.
Omg there she is again. In the real world she would got ass check who does that and RJ too what hell is he looking at them like it's going to make a difference some how.
@AJSP35801 "I let u go on thinking we were heading somewhere we werent, I just wasn't sure" John was conflicted. John's words: He asked for the ring b/c he was thinking of proposing. He had the ring in case the impulse arose. He wanted to start a family with Nat. Post-crash: accident changed them both, messed up their relationship.
Their breakup scene consists of them mostly speaking about fights/cross-purpose and 30s was about marriage. John said a lot about their fights.
I completely agree with you AJSP35801 and the person who keeps engaging you is definitely a John/Natalie fan who has been trolling video clips posted for JoVan fans just to be antagonizing. Just goes to show, even with the show CANCELED, people resent that JoVan was the superior pairing. John and Natalie were so compelling they sent a 35 year old soap into the ether.
@AJSP35801 John admitted he wasn't sure if he was going to propose or not. Hence the mixed signals. There was a two episode discussion where he was working through his feelings so not marrying her in 2007 was not a given.
What you reminded me of is 2005 John cornering Nat in the PD and making it a point to assure her that he and Van were not getting married. Nat ignored/avoided him for half the day, he felt the need to alleviate her fears and reestablish their relationship.
@AJSP35801 The Nat comment wasn't apart of the list, it was an afterthought. It was the ! to my shock that John, the mother's boy, didn't tell his mom about Van while Mike who is less close, did. Hence the shafted comment. But the ring/proposal was not me. As for the (as if John ..), I say exactly what I mean, the "as if", has more to do with interpretation (uncontrollable). He implied he thought of Nat-mom dynamic w/ the he knew his mom would like her but he and Nat weren't in a relationship.
Jolie had nothing on Jovan and I was a huge fan of Jolie. Now it's like Jolie who!!!! Tptb messed up big time with this couple. Evangeline brought out a side that no other woman(including Natalie) could.
Tiffany ball you are so right. REG brought out the very best in everyone in this show. Especially ME he had so much fun with her and that just made you want to keep watching the both of them. Why writers and producers never want to show case a beautiful couple in love and making it work. All relationships have their ups and downs but you work them out. That's what makes loving someone stronger and knowing you're in it together.
Like i said OLTL tink.John is so boring now.Yes the one who plays Blair is glad REG is gone.I believe wanted this with ME for the longest.Sicking
I think every female on OLTL except Vicki and Dorian wanted a love scene with ME so they had to get rid of REG because I really believe if she had stayed on the show I do believe John would have tried to win her back. They could not have that.
Dorian woulda tried.....Age ain't nothing but a number to her.....She got with David Vickers.......He's way younger than her......John is plateable......But Vicki has little more class not on her radar
but Nicki could hit it.😁....
@AJSP35801 I found this whole conversation pointless, this scene had nothing to do with Nat. And no, I'm not watching the scene between the relationship between John and Van was so compelling, I watched OLTL, the whole show. I'm rewatching scenes I watched when the show aired. I don't find a problem with that. Just the other day, I rewatched the jailbait video and there is NOTHING compelling there LOL. Quite frankly, I felt Van deserved more than some strings and pearls but to each his own.
@94take Honestly, I don't know why we've even speaking about Natalie. This moment has nothing to do with her. I stick with my original point, John did not have the decency to call his mother and tell her about Van - the woman he's been sleeping with for the better part of the year. He did not call and request the pearls to give her. And since you mentioned the ring, it is evident that John can call his mother and request things.
Are my eyes just really blurred or is that idiot gnat in the background at 1:22? If it is.....i don't even know what to say bout that..
Natalie...go wash your hair. GEEZ!
Sh'e not refine at all and she looks oily🥴